Four Classic Guitars, TS808, Klon & Rat. What do we like?
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2015
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In this episode Daniel and Mick play four classic guitars (Fender Stratocaster, Fender Telecaster, Collings 290 DC S and Gibson Les Paul Standard) through three classic overdrive/distortion pedals (Ibanez TS808 Tube Screamer, Klon Centaur and ProCo Rat).
The general idea is to see how the different guitars' pickups work with the different pedals, and then how the different pedals work with each other. This isn't really a How-To on anything very specific, it's more an exploration of what the guys discover as they plug and play.
Amps used are a Hamstead Artist 20 and Victory V40 The Duchess, running together. The amps remain constant in terms of settings throughout the video as having different pedals and guitars is enough variables in the equation!
As always, amp and effects switching/control is handled effortlessly by TheGigRig G2. For more on TheGigRig, see www.thegigrig.com
For people who want to compare directly, here are the timestamps:
Strat, dry signal: 2:51
TS808:
Strat: 3:28
Tele: 3:46
Collings: 4:12
LP: 4:34
Klon:
Strat: 5:11
Tele: 5:49
Collings: 6:20
LP: 6:55
Rat:
Strat: 7:25
Tele: 7:50
Collings: 8:08
LP: 8:33
Strat > TS808 + Klon: 11:07
LP > TS808 + Klon: 11:49
LP > TS808 + Rat: 12:20
LP > Klon + Rat: 12:47
Collings > TS808 + Klon: 13:39
Tele > Klon + Rat: 20:11
LP > Klon + Rat (again): 20:48
Champ, thanks
Nick Siepmann bless you
Fucking cheers mate
damn thanks for the effort and making time better
Thank you!
“Let’s juice the rat with the klon, if we don’t mind?“
we absolutely do not mind
That Telecaster sounded wicked. Love it the best over all the others.
Guys, this is great! Every week I'm looking forward to the show.
You guys are totally badass. All the gear geeking out I love, in an entertaining format, and with incredible sound. Keep it up!
As a guy who knows very little about guitars and pedals I found this video to be hugely informative about the relationship different pick-ups have with different pedals. Thank you for producing such an educational aid for the uninformed. While I realise, from watching your other videos, that amps too can have pedals that work well with them, or not, I also now know that certain amps can work with most pedals, amps like the Hamstead. If you could do a few videos on what are your favorite pedal rigs with the Gibson (PAF), Collings (P-90's), Strat and Tele I would really appreciate it? My son and I love your shows and have learned lots from them, please keep up the good work!!
Tele + Klon was really great!
Awesome show as always. Something i recently learned with the Klons that made me think of them differently is thinking of the gain almost as a mid control for a boost mode. So start with level and treble at noon for starters to use it like a boost, adjust your treble to where you like it, then just bring in the gain to add in that mid boost to taste.
I discovered this show about 1 week ago... now I have watched all the episodes...It's more addictive than Game of Thrones. Thank you and keep it coming!
Great show! Tons of fun to watch and then go and play with my own board. Thanks for all the inspiration!
Klon+Rat sounds like a fantastic duo! Great show guys!
I just discovered this great channel today. Damn, i just can´t sleep tonight watching your amazing videos. thanks!! Hey Daniel! Nice Strymon t-shirt!
That Tele is a beast!!
+Mike Bradley yeah, sounded great with any pedal.....which could not be said of all the guitars, to my personal opinion and ears of course
+Ojoe2010 Agreed. For me, the Tele and the Klon won the show.
+Ryan Coveyduc Absolutely!!
Which telecaster model is this?
rodrigora I believe it is either a late 90s or early 2000s custom shop
With that Video you show the potential of stacking Pedals!
The Rat just can't get me, but stacked with the TS or the Klon, I really like it.
I love how you guys take the basics of Guitar sound, Pickups, Pedals an Amps and analyzed and discuss it. Satisfies my inner Guitar Geek. Keep up the great Video Work !
One of the best videos so far, very informative, I'll need to watch it a few times to get it all though!! What clever chaps :-)
You've reminded me I own a sweeeeet sounding tele that has been overlooked of late.
Thanks for that! and keep up the good work. Great channel!
The Rat seems the most versatile to me, especially considering how low the gain was set. Makes a great OD pedal like that, as opposed to the distortion that it's marketed as.
Overdrives create distortion too ;)
All time favourite overdrive on my board...
My favorite channel, thanks guys
I’m a big fan of the Strat into the Klon! It really emphasises those in betweeny tones, and responds well to your dynamic playing!
Excellent Shoot Out....very informative !
God I love this show! I'm in my shed right now converting an old wah into an expression pedal. Greets from Coledale, NSW!
Superb video. Great thoughts on the intrinsic EQ shapes and also humbucker compression difference. 👍🤘
That Collings just sounds so epic!
That Klon & Rat Combo is just SICK!
TheNanojazz the best sound of the video!, but how are they stacked?, Tele-->RAT-->Klon? Or Tele-->Klon-->RAT?
Nice sounds!
Great video!
Hard to say which combination is actually better, since the guitars all have different output levels, but the pedal settings were not adjusted to compensate. It was fun to see and hear the differences without having to buy thousands of dollars worth of equipment. Thanks a lot for the demo!
Awesome video as always!
Some very nice sounds there! I've actually been using the Archer Ikon and RAT combo for the last couple of months. Really happy with it!
Yeah, really killer combination :)
Just picked up a Rat for $45. This demo made me happy about my decision!
You guys o an awesome job, lots of fun watching and tons of learning, cheers
+Jon Salvador cheers Jon ;)
Man this is a cool one. Thanks guys!!
Great job! I'm binge watching all The Pedal Shows. Your insights on the eq of pickups and the complex interactions are the best; these videos are a college course in tone. Using 4 different guitars is brilliant, too It, also, sparked an idea. Keeley, Analogman, and JHS are modding a lot of "common" pedals. I would like to see a show about boutique makers modded pedals next to the originals. I have seen a few A/B of youtube vids, but they didn't change guitars, pickups, and ran into Pro Tools. This format is the proper format for real testing of pedals.
I would throw a compressor in the Gig2 for testing drive pedals; a little light compression clears the mud and squeezes more usable dirt from OD or Distortion pedals. I used to run a Dyna Comp to a RAT2 (Gain @ 1 o'clock, Filter @ 1 o'clock, Volume @ 3 o'clock) and that is a rock tone.
Thanks, I'm going to continue to binge watch and check out the phaser video!
That Collings is so nice, easily my favourite guitar on the show! Makes me want to save for one...
Great show!
Loved the Strat and Tubescreamer...The Les Paul and Rat...Tele and Klon...Collings with all the pedals!
Don't normally love Strats, but that Strat TS808 combo was awesome, and of course you reproved to me why I love Teles. Tele and Klon was killer, and then when you stacked the Rat, huge.
its always handy to have a tube screamer
That's a great video especially the fact that you use different guitars, the difference in tone is significant. Good alternative to the Klon is a soul food for all the normal budget guitarists out there
Love it! Keep them coming, the longer the better ;)
Tube screamer sounded open ... really great video guys
The Collings sounded nice with everything - overall my favourite guitar here.
I have to say after digging out my old Rat pedal, that combo rocks! Makes me not miss owning a Les Paul all that much after all. Funny to re-watch this episode as I didn't remember Dan having such a great joy for the Klon pedal. They may have to put the Klon and the 808 in the box with Mick when he goes, he just seems to love them so!
love p-90's !!! so much... ;) and love your videos! Great sounds ;)
I've recently found your videos and binge watched them all. you guys have tremendously helped and inspired me on my hunt for great tone and understanding effects pedals better. Thanks guys, keep up the good work. :) you guys should do a discussion on buffers at some point. How many....pros and cons of where to put them.
Yeah, buffer video on the way. I'll do my best to make it interesting :)
so good!
That Collings is a BEAST. wow!!
I'm going to start a That Pedal Show Show where I A/B various vintage episodes and see how well they inform when played through various media devices.
It’s funny, I definitely thought the Strat worked and sounded great with the Rat. He said that combination “didn’t really work” but I thought it sounded quite good. The Strat maintained its signature Strat like qualities- nice high end and a snappy chime but also sounded crisp and clear thanks to the gain of the Rat. I have a hard time getting “clear” sounding overdrive or distortion tones with a Strat, but their Strat through the Rat sounded pretty damn good. Great video guys!
Love this show. I particularly like how Dan seems to barely tolerate Micks questions.....( funny thing is those are exactly the questions I'd ask ha ha)
Funny, I was thinking that Mick barely tolerates Dan's ever-ready mantras of midrange and compression, or his orgasmic faces every time he plays.
@@jagtone it sounds like you both are living through them vicariously
I personally loved the collings 290 and the rat. Harmonicaly beautiful.
+Daniel TheGigRig Dan I have never been into Teles, always been a Strat or Les Paul guy, and always used to say that if I ever had a Tele it had to be maple fretboard.......until I heard yours!!
Oh my days, that Tele sounds so tasty! With the Klon was one of my favourite combos: great initial attack and punch but with still a lot of dynamics = pure rock n roll!!
You guys both rock!!!
These are fantastic guys. Give loads of great ideas. Think I need to swap my Ts808 for an Archer now.... Seriously well done - hope it goes from strength to strength
+Matt Davis cheers Matt ;)
stay with both
Great show! I'd really like to see one on the advantages of boutique amps as opposed to production line amps, mostly in terms of sonics and practicality/reliability. That would be awesome.
yes, I would watch that
Klon + Tubescreamer was SO good with the strat! It may have given me an idea ;)
20:00 tele and rat+klon sounds naughty. he's dirty dan
These are some of the best guitar sounds I've heard on UA-cam.
Awesome, love it! Les Paul+Ratt+Klon= Billy Gibbons!!!!! Where will the next video go?..... I'm along for the ride :-)
I'd love to see you guys compare some guitars loaded with goldfoil pickups, lipstick pickups, P90, TV Jones, and Charlie Christian pickups. especially Strats and Teles with alternative pickup setups (Coodercasters, JD McPherson Tele setup, P90 Strats, Lipstick pickup danelectros, Cabronita Tele, etc). Would be a fun video to watch.
Dan’s Tele always sounds huge. That guitar rips, man.
Thanks so much Dan and Mick for this show, I've learned so much!! :) If you guys get the chance it would be awesome if you could address the topic of ground loops, why amps and pedals buzz (power issues I guess with pedals and amps) and also high and low impedance and its relation to pedals, these are things I'm still quite confused about! Greetings from Australia! :)
Good call! I'll get it done :)
Great show, thanks guys. What about the order of the distortion/overdrive pedals - I see different views, low gain to high gain, and the other way round. I know you will say there is no one answer, but it would be great to see you both work through some options. (Also, like many have said, that Tele is fab Dan)
You guys sound terrific, and your advice is great. I'm really enjoying these videos. But you have some awfully good equipment: boutique amps, custom shop and vintage guitars and (gulp) even a KLON. I'm jealous! But what can you do with more humble fare? Let's say, an American Standard Strat or Tele or a Gibson Les Paul Studio with, dare I say it, a Deluxe Reverb Reissue or even a Marshall DSL 40C? Keep up the great videos!
All great for different jobs!
Now's a good time to say what I think to myself during every video. Mick's Strat sounds so incredibly good. I wonder what pickups are in that Strat?
Unstacked Tele + Rat was amazing. Stacked Tele + Klon & Rat. The Strat sounded best when the 808 was involved. The Collings disappeared with some of them, sounded amazing with others (808!). Les Paul + Klon was awesome.
Just recently discovered your show,and it's funny,interesting and sounds great,thank you ! What pickups in the Telecaster ?
always wondered how awesome an american fender tele was. then i got one. and now i know. just somethin every guitar player should experience
LP and TS sound great
Do one on Matamp style pedals! Been real curious to see what's out there and to hear them side by side.
LP and Klon is a delicious combo!
I wish we could hear all of that level matched. The tele sounded all around mean through each pedal but I couldn't tell for sure if it wasn't just because it was cranked louder than others
That board has my dream pedals: ts808, klon, big sky, and pog. If it had a Jerry Cantrell wah and a strymon timeline it would be my dream board
Your rig makes everything sound great, to be fair.
5:17 - 5:19 For those 2 seconds it sounds like there is a chorus on the Klon. Amazing.
That IMO is the secret to the Klon's enduring popularity. The circuit takes two copies of the guitar signal, EQs and compresses and clips one, and then blends the two signals back together. It's like parallel compression + parallel EQ + a harmonic sweetener + a slight chorus, even before it starts with the regular ol' hard-clipping.
The Tones for Tache A/B comparison of the Klon and Archer is freaking hilarious!!! You guys are officially freaky...
As long as it's Oficial :)
The best combo was the Collings P-90 guitar paired with the Rat. That tone was freaking sick... gonna get a rat now...
Man with amps that sound that good I think you could plug in almost anything and it'd sound great.
I use an old Rat that I got in the 70s or 80s into a clean amp primarily as a lead tone, and it's a really great combination of smooth and punchy. I usually set it with a bit more distortion than is pictured here. Sounds quite a bit better to me than what I hear in this video. Then again, I'm not doing a side by side comparison.
Hey Dan, the audio quality on your videos is sweet! A video on mic'ing amps would be great..
+Haitham Issam yeah, we need to do that, Cheers Haytham ;)
Great stuff. I would love to see you guys do an episode on amp sim pedals like the Tech 21 character series. You have some lovely amps and those of us with shallower pockets would love to see some cheap alternatives.
also I should add that that Tele is ridiculous. It makes me hate all my guitars. So envious.
+nedavine ah, cheers mate. It didn't start off great to be honest. But Ive done over 1000 gigs on it, its really opened up. Cant beat a guitar with lots of hours on it ;)
Hey guys, great video once again! I was wondering whether the combination: Vox ac30 + tele + rat blackface 1986 would work in your opinion ( what you mentioned about the mid frequencies in guitars and pedals got me thinking about that ). What do you think? :-)
Collings p90 + TS808 was a great match!
these guys should do pedal reviews
Perhaps this could be revisited based on what has changed with amps on TPS particularly after that recent show with a Roland JC-40 which is a very different platform to compare those particular pedals on.
I love your show. I do have a suggestion/request maybe ... you could do a whole show on the 808, really. It would be kind of neat, I think, to compare a vintage 808 with the reissue, the 808DX, the Maxon version, the 808 mini, and then some of the better 808 clones, too. You could probably fill your pedalboard with 808s, and still have some off to the side that won't fit! Anyway, thanks for the great show. I've subscribed to the new channel, too. Can't wait to hear that T-Rex Replicator!
Good call Brian, we'll get on it :)
I can tell I don't know how any pedal could sound smoother than an 808X.
What kind of pickups are in the Tele?
That was awesome. And that tele, are those standard pick ups?
Stacking a low gain pedal into a higher gain works well for me, what is the bridge pup on the tele, sounds really hot? Keep having fun!
When you ran the 808+Klon, which one was first? Is there a different tone structure each way?
Great show as usual guys. I'm 54, and I grew up plugging a gibson straight into a Fender Twin I had back then (later stolen) made in the early 70's. I had to crank it. We did all types of things to keep it quiet. Turn in backwards, run a fan on it, etc,.
But anyway, I'm just getting into pedals again and playing. I have a Made in the UK Marshall vavlestate with a 1 x 12with a tube preamp and solid state power amp. I'm playing bridge high out put humbuckers almost exclusively. I like the clean channel and using one of the over drive channels at just break up, but I need a good over drive and boost to get into metal since I play mostly 70's and 80's metal and hard rock that still has definition. I usually play at breakup or just a little more with an over drive then need to boost the overdrive into metal.. Such as Ted Nugent, Lynard Skynard, Aerosmith, Poisen, etc, etc,. What would you recommend? Also, is it ok to use two delays before the power amp on a board? I plan on using mostly overdrive, boost, chorus, and delay as well as a morley wah. Any help would be appreciated. Will try to share your channel and sub'd awhile back. Great work and keep it up. Regards from Indiana. USA
Thanks Tim. You've described some great guitar sounds there, the poison one is a bit of a departure :) truth is you might struggle to nail those tones on a valve state pushed into compression. To get close you'll need something with plenty of presence and a fast attack. A klone of some description perhaps such as a RYRA or a Wampler Tumnus
THESE GUYS DID A GREAT VIDEO ON EQ PEDALS YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT, I MOVED MY EQ FROM THE END TO IN FRONT OF MY OVERDRIVE AND DIST PEDALS AND IT GAVE ME MORE OF A 80S METAL SOUND INSTEAD OF MY NORMAL MODERN METAL SOUND, ALSO CHECK OUT THE KHDK GOUL SCREAMER, ITS KIRK HAMMETS SIGNATURE OD(AND COMPANY) BUT ITS BASICALLY A TUBE SCREAMER WITH 5 MINI SWITCHES THAT HELP SHAPE TONE ALOT AND 2 OF THEM DEAL WITH COMPRESSION, I HAD THE ZAKK WYLDE OVERDRIVE BEFORE THAT AND STILL DO HAVE IT BUT THE GOUL SCREAMER IS WHAT I USE NOW, THERES A VIDEO ON THIS GUY PHILLIP MCKNIGHT'S CHANNEL THAT HAS THE LINK TO A WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN BUILD A VIRTUAL PEDAL BOARD AND GET AN IDEA OF WHAT CERTIAN PEDALS WOULD SOUND LIKE BEFORE YOU GO SPEND THE MONEY ON THEM
ALSO IN THE US(PHILLY)
Have you put an EHX Soul Food in front of a Rat? I'm curious as to how close the sound actually is.
Put a Soul Food in your chain. I can't explain what it does but it makes every pedal and amp channel sound better to me...by itself it's overdrive on a clean channel isn't particularly overwhelming, I use it low drive clean, but what it does to other pedals and overdriven amps is amazing. Pretty much an always on pedal for me but I do have to change the settings for style or guitar changes.
ive found that i like the rat sound on several different pedals - but mostly for 50-60's rockabilly riffs added to a metal sound... to me a rat pedal is worth every tone !!!!!!
your both great players! can we hear more of Mick though?
I'm not really into pedals but these are the most interesting and informative guitar tone videos on the planet. I have a 1983 Ibanez ts9 which has been in a cupboard unused since 1983. Does it have any kind of value (in pounds as I'm British) as I'd be really interested.
+Bigup Bebop no, just send it to me immediately :)
really cool, and in front of an 5150 to add more musical less harshy high gain sound?
Archer?ts?...xotic?
thanks for all
super show guys. back in the '80s I was playing my les paul through a tube screamer and a rat into a mesa studio 22 driving a 2x12 cab. what a sound that rig made. question: was there a reason for the 808 to be in front of the Klon? I always thought you position cleaner pedals first.
Wayne Vicknair The Klon is technically hard clipping in parallel with the clean signal. Which could be seen as "higher gain" .
" If you have several guitars, some amps & various pedals.. you can plug them in & they'll make you smile! " - Correct : )
TS808 - Strat (neck)
Klon - Tele
RAT - Gibson or Tele
What pedals would you recommend for a princeton reverb with a strat? I don't know if I'd get better than my King of Tone but would like a good mid hump pedal
Hi Dan , can you do some stuff on T Jauernig pedals ? does some very nice drive pedals :) love the vids btw , has answered alot of questions for me
I'll check them out. Cheers :)
I have an EVH 5150 III......Can you use a distortion or overdrive pedal on the clean channel with good results?I have never used any drive pedals..I have always used my amps gain channel,but some of the drive pedals out now sound amazing...
Mick, i love your shirt! What brand is it?