9:08 ..... really unfortunate guitar strap placement on Dan's t shirt :'). another great video though. amazing the difference the amps sound depending on if the strat was playing vs the tele.
For those wondering, the actual difference between the 10W & 100W is 10dB. 1W=30dBm, 10W=40dBm, & 100W=50dBm. To get 60dBm you would need 1,000 Watts of power!!! You guys are absolutely amazing! You keep the information interesting, and at the core of it all you keep exploring, which in my opinion is exactly what music is! Thanks and I hope you stay around for a long while!
The Vox AC-15C1 purchase I made two years ago has been a master class eye opening experience in just exactly how many watts are truly needed to gig. From my perspective it’s 15 watts. Cheers!🎸🇺🇸
For a few months I was the guitar tech for a guy that used a Triple Rectifier (150w) which is one of the loudest amps around. He used it because he liked the clean headroom/pre-amp distortion tone, didn't care about the power section at all, so at normal volume the pre-amp section stays untouched, worked great for him. However, I was always curious about how it would sound cranked to the max, so one time at a small live venue soundcheck, we did it just for the fun factor and holy shit it almost ripped my head in half. He played for 10 or 15sec until I noticed the cab slowly moving backwards from the sheer force of the air pressure pushed out by the speakers lol.
Wow..... This vid should be issued to every guitar player worldwide as a PSA. This vid gave more amp knowledge than 20 yrs worth of guitar magazines! U just made ur mark guys! Cheers.
@@Murry_in_Arizona Dang, you mean that these: store.davidclark.com/hearing-protectors/model-9an-2-06504g-03 are inadequate? I guess I will be wanting the Helmet plates then.
Agreed. Been at this for 57+ years. The crickets are singing to me CONSTANTLY, and get miserably louder when I crank my '64 Super Reverb with a Boss Compressor to make it sound the way it should. Can only play for a few minutes, but pay for several hours with greatly increased white noise. BTW: My finding is that true Class A amps (without negative feedback loop) will do less damage to the hearing because it has less punch than Class A/B. Again, that's from an experienced player. ALSO: Watch the amount of weight you carry and lift in and out of your car trunk. I played weekends for most of 35 years, and the last band I was with, I would heft my Fender Twin up over my head and carry it though the crowd at quitting time. I have had foraminal stenosis for eight years now, making it painful to walk every step. It comes from squashing your spinal discs which causes the body to try to fill the space with bone, which presses against the nerves. However, it can be reversed with Hekla Lava and Ca. Flourica. See Dr. Katchen on UA-cam. ua-cam.com/video/0IA6I8i6KLQ/v-deo.html
The other sad thing is the huge number of people reading your comment thinking....''It won't happen to me'' The next equally sad thing is that it probably will...!!
Please do a video about various low wattage amps and what overdrive pedals to use with them to get your sound (sound of pedal vs pedal pushing power tubes). That would be really great for us bedroom players.
I recently picked up an Ibanez tube screamer amp , it’s a great little amp . All tube ,6V6 /12AX7 ,switchable 5/15 watts , and it has the 808 circuit on the front , and a Celestion seventy 80 10 in. It was less the 400 American . Great little amp.
Drew A def man thats all you need yoy can play out anywhere with it and you xan get a 2×12 cab for it and it actually does get lo uder and thats crazy but yeah stick with the 15 I actuallly like the tone of the 10 and 15 better then the 30 anyways I own a 10 and can play out with it I love it and its very loud for the wattage I love using it no need for a 30 and now you can mic anything up so it really doesnt matter as long as you have a good tone
@@reviewforthetube6485 Apreciate the quick reply! Well any really, im torn betweeen a ac15 going for 470 with a greenback or a ac30 with 2 greenbacks for 600, im afraid in some time ill need a cab if i get the 15 so looking for any information or experience someone had, on the best way to do it Thanks!
I'd love to see an episode on deliberately mismatching speakers (type, not impedence, of course) in amps, I've always loved the sound of a 2x12 with two differently voiced speakers in it.
Ol' Zircon i have 2 music-man 2x12 cabs from the 70s. I've ran them with 1 70s Eminence OEM speaker w/ an old Pyle Driver speaker, OEM w/ Eminence Texas Heat, 2 OEMs, 2 Texas Heats, a Texas Heat w/an Eminence Governor, and finally OEM w/ Governor. I've sound tested them all in a day to find what best fits my needs. It was a blast to do and super interesting to see how the combinations worked. I was really amazed at how different the sound was from right in front of the speakers compared to about 10 feet away.
Currently playing with the Laney Ironheart- switchable between 1-20 Watts it's bloody lovely to practise at home on 1 and blast open that headroom at 20 when your gigging/practicing, a lot more companies are starting to do this now, from Blackstar to Marshall, thankfully a lot more people are aware of the whole Wattage != louder volumes situation
Low wattage amps rule for home use. I play a blackstar 5 at home at it stays on 0.5 most of the time, and that can be quite loud through a 212 cab. No need for anything bigger when I'm on my own. ✌️🇦🇺
I have a Boogie Mark V, and literally the best thing about it is the ability to run my Cleans at 100 watts for amazing clean loudness but the Drives at 50 watts. If you can buy an amp with per-channel wattage switching, DO IT.
That Pedal Show Awesome, Mick. Out of curiosity, do you ever find the Mesa doesn't sound half as good quiet as when it's turned up. I feel like it's the Blackshadows...
Yep! It's also the OT, the rest of the circuit, the valves, the cabinet resonance.... That's why a purpose designed small amp will make you smile more than a big amp turned down in my opinion.
I absolutely agree. I love my Mark V. Cleans with a tiny boost and lift from my Rockett Archer sounds amazing. Recommended by Dan. Although the Mark 1 channel on 90 watts is stunning too - given the chance! I may be wrong, but I think when using the master volume on the Mark V there is a capacitor in there that is essentially acting like an attenuator? You can switch out the master volume and use channel volumes and it jumps in volume massively. Is that right Mick/Dan?
That AC10 sounded great at the end there. What an amazing comparison. I think for me the feel of the air moving makes you think it's a bigger better sound but in actual fact once it's miced you are losing elements of that feel you get in the room. Especially noticeable going to in-ears.
As a proud gear nerd, this is my favorite show on any format! I love how it is never about "you need said gear to sound like so...." Its really about what works best for you, being familiar with our own gear, and great educational information about technical aspects of tone
It's so refreshing to see videos by people who are not only skilled guitar players, but are also articulate and knowledgeable about the subjects they speak about. You guys are really great!
Interesting bits and go-to sections: 00:00 - Intro playing and what two leg-ends are doing today 02:08 - How much louder is a 30 watt amp than a 10 watt amp? 03:12 - Introducing Captain Maths, and how wattage relates to volume (04:35 - nuance: how relevant is the wattage metric?) 08:13 - How the amp's headroom affects actual volume vs compressing/one's perception of volume 10:19 - The nuance and debate on the relevance of wattage in attaining stage volume (11:28 - don't buy a 100 watt Marshall) 12:13 - Benefits of getting your drive tones from your pedals (13:32 - Mick's massive generalization) 14:31 - Boosting into a 10 watt amp vs boosting into a 100 watt amp 17:31 - The point of breakup, tailoring pedals to your desired sound, and 50 watt vs 100 watt amps 18:37 - SRV's approach 19:07 - Sometimes, Dan's genius... it's almost frightening... 22:08 - A loud sound isn't necessarily a big sound (24:09 - commentary on the results) 25:29 - Mick has a schwang, and Dan smiles (26:42 - more commentary on the results) 27:59 - Watt all this means, and Mick has horrible realization @ThatPedalShow somehow crammed more useful info into a 30min video than should be possible... A grateful nation of tone junkies thanks you!
I play 90% of my set through a big lovely twin, choppy funk tones for days, but when its go time i hit a switcher and fly off through a cranked jtm45! I am living my actual best life :D
To me, since I also run the sound for my band, I find the best overall band sound is minimal stage volume and guitar amps on the sides of the stage pointed at the band just loud enough for the drummer to hear (to avoid having guitars in the monitors), mic'ing them, and letting the PA do the heavy lifting. When its just big cranked amps behind us pointing at the crowd, they only get the full range of the guitar tone to the people directly in front. Mic'd through the PA with the wide-dispersion horns, you get a more even sound over a bigger range of the audience. It takes some getting used to, but the overall mix of the band sounds way cleaner.
Also, when you just turn up on stage, you cut the heads off the people in the first couple rows and still don't reach the back. The house PA is built specifically to give more consistency over the entire audience, including putting delay on the speakers further from the stage to keep everything in phase. If you have a good house system to run through (granted, you don't always), you're much better off doing so than not, and using it for the majority of your actual power. Then you can just dial up your amp to where it sounds best, not necessarily where it sounds adequately loud.
Speaking as a guitar player as well as a live tech I am 100% with you! People aren't always mindful that the endgame isn't what comes out of their amp cab but what comes out of the PA. The whole set benefits from a well thought out and balanced guitar rig , a bad one can break otherwise well thought out arrangements.
Having owned and gigged with 15, 22, 30, 40, 45, 50, 60, & 100 watt amps. I find between 22 & 30 watts is the most flexible amp power range to handle MOST gigs. Of course speaker efficiency is a big factor. My current amp is a 68 custom deluxe reverb. At 22 watts it handles most large venues incredibly well. I think the Celestion V type speaker must play as much of a role as the amp!
Keep in mind that decibels are logarithmic. A 6 dB increase could be quite significant depending on what you're increasing by 6 dB. Good video though! I didn't realize how small a volume difference higher wattage makes.
Watchman4u Wait until you play guitar through a modeling preamp into a bass rig as a power amp. 800+ solid state watts pushing mid range frequencies into a 4x12 could kill a small child. My own 6505 has been chained into my friends peavey bass combo (around 400 watts) and we bout shat our pants you could use the fucker as a fan it pushed so much air
A guitar demo/explanation video where the presenters are well informed players who aren't trying out their hilarious 90s comedy double act. What's going on here?
+That Pedal Show Truly, a really enjoyable vid and very interesting. Cheers...I was going to say, it would have been useful to have one of you shouting whilst playing to understand how loud they are, but at 16.38 Rick Astley (apologies don't know your name) says something and no sound comes out his mouth at all...so quite loud then.
+That Pedal Show Great vid as always guys. With big sound, loud sound as spoken about. Where would this place something like the Tone King's with the ironman II attenuator ? and pedals and tones, without blowing the walls down? Do you think power scaling like this does work? and does it need to be power scaling from 45 watts? Or do you really still end up with a similar sound from a small (in terms of power) 'bedroom level' amp?
Wow! Thanks for a fantastic video. Once again, it's great to watch your videos and learn something new every time - most definitely the most interesting guitar related channel on UA-cam. Please keep up the hard work, it's a pleasure to watch! I'm really hoping for a similar test (bedroom to stage) that brings transistor amps and digital modelling into the equation, and how they all react with pedals at different volumes. It's not new territory, but it would be great to hear it from your point of view and level of detail. Other than the BluGuitar demo, I can't recall a video from you guys discussing transistor &/or digital amps. There must be a reason for this and it would be great to hear why.
Hi Chris. The short answer is because given the choice, neither Dan nor me would use a transistor or digital amp over a good valve amp. We've been playing valve amps for over 50 years between us and everything we know is based around them. So we have a balancing job to do with TPS. On the one hand we only do stuff that we love and believe in, and on the other, we should be doing stuff that's of most relevance to people who give us their viewing time. But valve vs tranny vs digi seems like something people would love to see, so consider it on the list! Thank you for watching!
+That Pedal Show I totally appreciate where you are coming from, with you and Mic both growing up with and developing your guitar sound and playing styles using valve amps. Being born in '91 and starting my guitar journey in the early 00's, I, and I'm sure many of my generation and younger generations, have grown up with transistor amps and digi amps. This may be why, especially on the UA-cam platform which (arguably) is accessed more by younger generations, you get lots of requests asking for comparisons of tube vs tran vs digital - because many of us have more experience with transistor and digital than we do with Valve. As a result, opening the door to Valve amps and how they differ is a steep learning curve (which thanks you you guys is becoming a lot easier to understand).
We've just made a decision Chris. Or at least I have (Mick). We're going to make this video with a 'live' audience. We'll find a room somewhere, invite some people along and do the comparison. We'll film it, interview the people on what they thought and make that the video - cool?
I did not discover the content of this video until I had the pleasure of playing - and ultimately purchasing - a Traynor YBA-1..... loud, Loud, LOUD like my old 15 watt Vox AC15, but the 40-50ish watt headroom is glorious. I am now addicted to higher wattage amps purely for that power section headroom. Nice work gentlemen!
I can totally relate to this demo and the concept of "it's not how many watts but what you do with them." My (then) teenage son once asked me which was my loudest amp, so I decided to try them all out and see for ourselves. In my music room I had a Mesa Boogie Mark IV, a Marshall 30 watt combo with 2-10" speakers, a Marshall 60 watt head into a 4x10 cab, a Line6 Spyder 100W with 2x10, and a 15watt Vox Nighttrain head into a 4x10 Marshall cab. Which amp was the loudest ? Hint: it wasn't the Mark IV. It was the Vox Nighttrain on the 15watt full power setting. Absolutely ear-splitting, couldn't stand in the room volume. The Mark IV Dimed on highest power setting didn't even come close. The Marshall 60watt head was second loudest, followed by the Boogie and then the 30watt Marshall. The Line6 came in last place both in terms of volume and well, everything else.
That's all to do with frequencies Jake. Volume is certainly a big part of it, but getting the right midrange and presence is really key to cutting through. It's one reason guitar players like Tube Screamers and Klon-types so much for boosts. Likewise if you've ever been to a metal gig and wondered why the guitars sound mushy and indistinct despite the 150-watt Rectifiers (or 8 million watt AxeFX). It's all in the EQ.
+That Pedal Show thanks for the response. but do you think you can overcome a squishy amp with a mid boost, or is a more powerfull amp necessary (for cleaner styles of music) in some circumstances?
+jake francis btw I love squishy low watt amps, but my experience is they don't always cut through for the band. That said I've never tried using an aggressive mid boost with them.
You'd need to take away some bass. Low frequencies take more power to amplify than high ones. A Tube Screamer will do that - remove some bass and add mids. It can help the power amp a little bit by relieving it of some of the bottom end, ergo less power taken up by the bottom end, ergo more power for the mids and highs. More clarity. A graphic EQ can work in this regard too.
I think this is the most informative video for guitarists on UA-cam. People get so obsessed with the the idea that amazing tone=high wattage. The best sounding amp I ever owned was a 64 VibroChamp
Played for more than 30 years live. The best tone I ever had live was with 2x12 combo amps with a pre amp pushing it. 1x12 are too thin and boxy no need for more than 40 Watts ever I had a 130 watt amp not much different with 2x12s. Need that fullness with a drummer in my opinion
I have a slightly different opinion, played a bunch of live shows myself and I found a 20 W (tube) single 12 does a great job when micd up with a shure SM57. Getting a good signal to your mixer and then out to your floor monitors allows you to not need to use the amp as a monitor and cuts down on stage noise. Different strokes different folks Keep on rockin!
This video has done so much for me and my tone. I used to set my amp clean and use an OD for dirt and a booster at the end of the chain for solos. I watched this again and wondered how it would sound to just crank my amp to 10 and dial the volume back a bit for rhythm. Tried it and now I'm hooked. Funny enough that because of That Pedal Show, I've stopped using OD pedals, traded out my delay pedal for an Echoplex, and started using onboard spring reverb in the amp instead of a reverb pedal or slapback delay. I played a gig the other night with absolutely no pedals and loved it.
You guys are really the best! I cannot believe how fortuitous this episode is as I've just traded a much too loud for my needs 60 watt Fender...(got a sweet 72 champ and a semi hollow body; not bad)and have convinced my lovely bride of 28 years that I just "must" build a larger amp-but not as large as what just left the house. After your show, I've settled on a Tweed Deluxe Kit. Thanks again so much, y'all really do the guitar community a great service. Please keep up the good work!
Next video will be a review on hearing aids? Oticon vs. Phonak vs. Siemens? Seriously though guys, I do hope you were wearing some sort of hearing protection.
In a word...Awesome! I do love playing through meaty wattage amps but increasingly play my 12w Fender Princeton Reverb with the same amount of joy (and less back issues!!)
Not exactly. Headroom is only defined on where an amp starts to break up. Here's an analogy for you. You have a car that goes up to 100 miles an hour. However realistically, how often do you go 100 miles an hour? Not very often. You're usually cruising around 35 - 65 miles an hour. This is NOT hitting it's full potential. And as a metal player, I've found out THAT SUCKS. The tubes are not being driven nearly has hard as they should be. Headroom differs from amp to amp. No 2 amps have the EXACT same headroom. Peavey 6505? Very low headroom. Tubes start to break up around 3 - 4 on the volume. This is why 6505's have been metal gods from the start. It was NOT the mesas, it was NOT the oranges, it was NOT the Marshalls. And from quite a few years of experience I can tell you this much. Lower wattage = bigger, brighter, more defined sound. Higher wattage = Less sound, but able to project outwards more (If even given the chance to let it) I currently play out of a Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 18 30th anniversary, and the other guitarist uses a Panama Inferno 100. Guess who's been told a number of times they sound amazing and actually cut through? Not him I'll tell you that much.
blablabla... kesimba is right. Volume are measured in decibels, not watts. a 40 watt amp generates only 6 dB more of volume than a 10 watt amp. Thats because the curve is logaritmic, not linear. @@dehibler4811
@@vexguine I am about to make comment about this on the video, but in high school physics, which I loved, we learned that the scale is logarithmic because that is the way our ears perceive differences in SPL (Sound pressure level) so measuring in this way, 3dB actually SOUNDS twice as loud to our ear. Seems like this is a fact that these videos are leaving out!
@@vexguine I have found an article that explains this far better than these guys do, from a physics standpoint, generally you need a little over 3x the electrical power to produce 10dB more SPL which will result in 3dB increase in the perceived loudness. The log scale is not being used correctly in this video as far as I can tell.
Cool video! I play once a year with my jobs band. Last year I bought a Tone King Imperial MKII, I was surprised that I did not need to set it much louder than on my home office (Attenuator on -15 dB). Sound guy was extremely happy, and volume on stage was clear and pleasant :) That said, our drummer uses electric drums, so the stage volume is much easier to control :)
Sound is also logarithmic and, depending on how you're measuring it, it either doubles at 3dB or 5dB(depending on exchange rate.) So, every 3 decibels louder, you're doubling actual volume.h --a Sound Level Meter salesman.
Another way of explaining it is that you need twice the power (watts) to get a 3 dB increase. And, 3 dB is roughly the smallest increase that is perceptible by the human ear......
I played a gig at The Blue Lagoon Saloon in Venice, CA back in the '80s with my then HIWATT CUSTOM 50. The sound tech kept saying "you have to turn down my mate" (he was an Englishman) and the minute I did, there went my tone, my distortion, and the compression that came with it. That's when I remembered something a band I saw several years earlier in my home town where they turned their speaker cabinet around. So that's what I did. It allowed me to keep the amp cranked enough to get my personality and the sound tech bought me a drink after our set. Today I still have a couple of big amps but I also have a pedal board with a Seymour Duncan Powerstage 170 on it. No amp head needed at all. So go small. Less to lug around and you're miking it up anyway. Good luck and another GREAT vid from Dan and Mick.
You said, "You can get a great sound out of any decent valve amplifier, regardless of wattage.". I think that is only true if you have a FX send/rec on your amp, which you don't normally find on very low powered tube or SS amps. Blues On....
+That Pedal Show I think it sound great and is a very good amp but varying tonal qualities while playing is greatly enhanced when you can ad a delay or echo, any time based modulation type pedal after the preamp section. Blues On....
Once again Hutch I have to disagree. All the classic guitar tones come from amplifiers without effects loops. Vintage HiWatts, Marshalls, Voxes, Fenders, Orange, the list goes on and on. Check out some of our videos on delay going into the front end. Effect loops can be great but great time certainly doesn't rely on them
That Pedal Show True, but they go into a mixing board with effects in the mixing board and the software as well. That's why studio albums are usually preferred over live albums.. I fully admit that it is All subjective and personal preference. I prefer amps with a great, great clean, a gain, post volume and master volume with a FX loop.
My buddy always teases me about having too much power. He gigs with a marshall class 5 combo, and my mains are a twin reverb and a 59 bassman 410. It is very rare that I can get either really breathing, but when I can, good lord does it sing.
+MrBingping My buddy uses a 6505 120 watts Head and i use a Blackstar ID tvp 100 and i cut through the mix (band volume) with only 40% of my volume while he needs like 60% to be heard
yup just that XD and uses a lot of treble i tell him every week that,thats what keeps him out of the mix but well he doesnt understand he thinks it is a volume problem
Great video... I use a Dr. Z MAZ 8 at home and a Dr. Z MAZ 18 on tour. Both with attenuation because I don't want to have to touch the Preamp or Master Volume knobs. They're just where they need to be so the amp sounds great with and without pedals. Just a point to add here... attenuation can be a very valuable tool when you have to do what the sound guy says.
+J G Harding no doubt that both of us will have suffered some hearing loss over the years JG. You can't hear the amps properly with plugs in though. We'll have a bigger room one day. Maybe with some screens. :0)
Power is a logarhythmic function. To double the POWER of an amp you need ten times the watts!! - The relevant difference between high and low wattage amps lies not in the power, but in the HEADROOM!! - Another big thing, that is often forgotten when this content is discussed: When you play today on bigger events, nearly every time there is a P.A. and a monitor system!! This is simply, because in our modern times everybody knows, that it is an illusion to think, that a somewhat differentiated total sound can be reached by simply cram a chaotic number of very different sound producers like drums, vocals, guitars and keyboards ( maybe more...) - which ALL produce VERY differeent own natural volumes, on a stage and to think, you can make them equally balanced!! Without a total balance by a central sound-regulating system this is hard to realise! - But when you are playing into a satisfying driven P.A. and monitor system, its easy to equal for example a 30 Watt guitar amp, a 300 Watt bass amp on the one side and vocals and drums on the other side, which need NO primary electronical amplification just to produce a sound! For smaller events the problem is not relevant, because you simply have to turn down the louder amps a bit to balance out the total over-all sound. So - where is the problem?? - I tell you: Its usually just that certain "species" of dumb guitar-players, who deny the laws of acoustics and think, they are only "real men", when they produce ear-shattering (... and destructing) noise!! - A full, warm and "biting" distortion sound is not a result of maximum volume, when you have cool gear!! A truely bad physical/medical problem is the slow decrease of the function of your ears, to perceive certain frequencies around 4000 Hertz, which medicine calls the "C5 pit" (or, in other verbs, "Rock musicians desease"). Its a chronical, irreversible progress of destruction of the human acoustic neuro-receptors in your hearing system, that occures, when your acoustic sense is permanently confronted with certain frequencies that appear much too loud and it usually happens, when you hear rock music. In rock music, especially THESE frequencies are massivly present. So, as a permanent active rock musician, you have to take care for yourself and protect your ears! I learned in my university education, to measure my loss of the ability to perceive certain frequencies by using a method called "audiometry" - and was really shocked, how much of my ability to perceive the mid-spectrum of my acoustical environment i'd already lost in 7 years of playing in rock bands! *So, again, take care and protect youself, friends in music!!*
Great video guys. Love that there's a channel devoted to such guitar-centric topics but done in such a thoughtful and methodical way. Excellent production standards as well. One of my fav UA-cam channels by far. Keep up the great work. Nice to see other people who share the same intense passion for all things guitar-tone related.
Great show guys! I have a Seymour Duncan Convertible 100watt from 1981 It's been recaped and works perfectly. There's a dial that controls wattage from 5-100 watts. Along with the ability to change the preamps modules and several cabinets this amp can morph into many different beasts. Thanks for this discussion
+Anthony Ziomek If you can only have one amp, then yes Anthony. But a bit like a do-it-all guitar, why would you want that? I'd much rather have a Strat, Tele, Les Paul, 335, Junior, Gretsch //and// a Ricky. Same with amps. The more it does, the more you're compromising each one of those things in my opinion. But yeah, if you've only got space for one amp, get a swiss army knife type!
10-4 roger that! I've had a ac 15 for years now- cash flow has been pretty low but finally going up- thinking of getting a tone king imperial- seems like its pretty versatile- any thoughts?
Mick here - I've loved every Tone King Amp I've ever played. Um, except for the one that looks like a TV, the Falcon (lots of people do love it). The Sky King is magic too, but do try them alongside a Victory V40 and some decent pedals.
thanks for the suggestion much appreciated! you guys ever try the bogner pedals with the Neve transformer? I got my hands on the harlow and the wessex and they literally brought my single coils to LIFE- if you know any info on what makes those transformers so different from others- please share- very interested
Ah i see. So if you want to get a nice creamy compressed sound it would be easier to do so with a lower wattage amp because you would be reaching it's "peak" sooner than say a 200 watt amp which has more headroom.
Great episode as always! Would be great to have an episode dedicated to Vox AC 15 and Vox AC 30 and difference between Normal, Brilliant, and Top Boost and drive pedals that work well for each ie. treble boost into Normal channel ala Brian May, King of Tone and Klon etc. in Brilliant, and drives for the more finicky Top Boost. Also recently saw a Jackson Ampworks amp on the dumble pedal episode and wondering if you'll be featuring that anytime soon. I don't own one, but I think they are my current favorite amp builder judging by clips I've heard, design, and features. Would be great to see you guys give it a workout! Thanks for what you do. I look forward to every episode!
Really great stuff from you guys. Why didn't you make this video before I put a 100-watt Marshall stack in my bedroom? Oh well. Because of you guys, I did something yesterday I haven't done in years. I have a BBE Sonic Stomp that I run in the loop. I forced myself to leave if off. I left the red/high gain channel for the clean channel & a distortion pedal. After some tweaking, I was so happy I played for 4-hours straight! I found it odd though that without the BBE, my delays (2 in the loop) were almost inaudible. I had to crank their level knobs to get back to where I was. Please, I'm not knocking the BBE. Just interesting. Immense thanks to you guys.
Magic numbers: bedroom: 5 watts - 1x 12 speaker studio: 15 watts - 1 x12 speaker bars: 50 watts - 2x12 speakers stages: 100 watts -4x12 speakers why? because monitors suck... you wanna listen from your amps and speakers. Projection of sound is a sound guy problem. Cover the drummer and listen to yourself. You can't go wrong with theses numbers.
vexguine - so 120w and 8x12 is too much for my bedroom? I’ll be the judge of what’s too much (or little) in my bedroom! But yes it’s too much, I moved it to the living room.
@@PapaWheelie1 volume is mesured in decibels, not watts or speaker inches. My numbers are based on the subjective concept of "air moving" and not the decibels produced by speakers (because they can't produce any) You can have your 8x12 projecting the same amount of decibels as a 1x12, but the perception of loudness is different (why? lot of factors like effectiveness of speakers measured in db per W/metre and the frequencies covered). Nobody said you can't be your own judge. If you know what works for you, let the guys that don't know have some simple info to decide. My magic numbers are industry standard numbers and if 8x12 works for you in your bedroom, ok. But I can assume you use them for aesthetics (implanted in your brain by decades of marketing) and not acoustics.
What a great video, as always! I use a 15 watt Matchless for the breakup and a Fender Twin for clean. There is a rig rundown on youtube from Brian May, he always runs many AC30's flatouts with a treblebooster and controls the drive with his volume. Yes pedals are great, but nothing beats some stacked AC30's, that must be terrifyingly loud, but hey we are all mortals..... Questions though: 1) an Amp that almost breaks ups without a drive control sounds better when cranked up compared to an amp that you increase the drive control. Why? 2) What impact does class A versus AB have? 3) Difference between a booster/ overdrive versus treblebooster.
Hello, thanks for the questions. 1) Not always. But we think you're referring to when you drive a preamp really hard with the master turned down and it sounds small and fizzy. You've got loads of squash and compression and reduced dynamic range in the preamp, so when it gets to the power section there's not much scope to make it dynamic, loud and so on. You'll find that if you turn the master to max and set the level with the preamp gain, it'll sound pretty good. 2) Depends entirely on the rest of the amp's configuration, but that's a topic we may investigate soon. Class A, less power, quicker compression and lower headroom. AB the opposite, but not always! 3) The treble booster only boosts a specific portion of the frequency range. A lot of overdrive/boosters boost a wider range of frequencies, depending on the unit. Hope that all helps! Thanks for watching. Mick
It depends where you play...if you're playing in squats with no pa or unmiced amps a half stack is good..if it's miced a 15-30 watt tube amp is easily enough
I have 4 tube amps, the highest wattage being 22 watts. My 5 watter is more than enough for most practice applications. The 20s are good for most performance applications. But, if I need loud, I can run one of these preamps through a 150 or 200 watt SS power amp. I've found that in most live applications this is quite acceptable. Personally, I like lower volume. I'm really impressed with the quality and informational value of your videos. Thank you so much.
great video!! I had years of owning 100w tube amps and never being able to turn the volume past 1!(including gigs) now using a Marshall class 5 combo and it is more than loud enough
Dingo Johnson way way back in the 70’s I had this monster Sun amp with a 4x12 cab in my bedroom...it was loud as Fock...one day I cranked it, hit a chord and my bong vibrated off the amp head and hit the floor spilling bong water everywhere...🎸🔊🎶🤘🏻
I gig with a 100watt fender twin through 2 evm12ls with a shield, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Clean headroom is the way to go for what I do and playing through that amp is just the joy of my life. It is worth it if you can tame a 100 watt beast, you will be rewarded with the tone and feeling of the gods imho.
That Pedal Show I can totally understand why some people don't dig EV's, they are so different from normal speakers it can be sort of jarring. but since you don't get any speaker distortion paired with a cooking twin you get this awesome clean compression that is amazing. Even with a fair of drive it is so easy to keep a lot more note clarity then normal which can make for a really cool sound that can be hard to get out of other speakers sometimes.
Hi Guys! As Daniel mentioned in this video about bedroom tones, I own a Blackstar HT stage 60 (2x12) and it sounds pretty good for home use. I also have a Roland Micro Cube and it sounds incredible with a Wampler pinnacle running into the clean sound. It's just better for home use for me, It's controllable and sounds huge! Love the video as usual guys!
I use a Blackstar Artisan 15 and have never had it higher thanabout 10 o'clock on the volume at a gig, it would just swamp the stage volume and kill all the stage mics and ruin the overall band sound. At low volume it is spikey sounding, but at rehearsal/gig volume it sounds full and on the verge of breakup and perfect for gain stacking and volume riding ... We did turn up at a gig once (about 120 capacity venue) and another band turned up with a full 100 Watt stack. The guy ruined the sound of his band and the 120 all left for the bar! In the end if a guitarist is a part of a band they can't see it as a power or volume competition, the ego has to give way to the whole band sounding good.
+Russell Jones I've got the same amp (Blackstar Artisan 15) and find exactly the same. It easily keeps up with an un-mic'd drummer, even though from about 11 o'clock onwards it doesn't get much louder, just fatter and bigger sounding. I do think the Artisan 15 is a bit of an oddity (in a good way) in this regard. It sounds less like a "small amp", and more like a "big amp that just happens to only be 15 watts". Recorded you could easily mistake the sound it makes for a big cranked Marshall. I used to have a Laney VC15, and it definitely sounded like a "small amp" (boxy midrange, not much headroom, didn't really cut through). The Artisan 15 in comparison sounds big and full, even though it's the same wattage as the Laney. I'm sure the Artisan 15's big transformers (for a 15 watter), 12-inch Greenback and large ply cabinet all play a part here. Just goes to show that there really is a difference between a "big" sound and a loud one.
I find the same, I used to play a Fender Blues Jr and that sounded much more boxy and not nearly as powerful, despite the same wattage. I wouldnt use the Artisan at home as it just doesnt sound as nice at low volume, but for gigging or recording it's brilliant!
Another great one chaps. I recently rediscovered my old 20w Marshall DSL 201 combo with EL84s - everyone automatically thinks it's rubbish as it has the worst ever high gain channel - but a wonderful clean channel which compresses in a gorgeous way at 'normal' mic'd gig volumes. Still never had a chance to get my '84 50w jcm800 4104 above 2.... Cheers fellas.
I have a Marshall 18/20W clone and a 45/50W clone, and I find I always go in through the low gain input. Not because the hi-gain preamp channel sounds bad, but rather because I can drive the power amp that much harder. I have pedals that let me do a lot more nuanced gain staging, and they love not having to fight the preamp.
Brilliant. Helps with some problems I've had lately getting an AC30 and Deluxe Reverb to co-exist with the rest of the band. I had considered a compressor to deal with the huge dynamic range, but now I see that pushing the amp harder with pedals at lower amp volumes is probably the way to go. Why didn't I know this already? I love how you guys touch on things that should be obvious but are often overlooked.
PeterDad60 - But at the end of the day right before you go to bed my amp is still 99 louder. You can even check the math if you want, 100 - 1 = 99 > 99 louder. You cant argue with math. :)
This is an amazing video. I've made that mistake whereas I bought a vox valvetronix series 100+ and it disappointed me. I guess because the compression wasn't there and when I used my pedals, it just wasn't the sound I wanted. I settled with a Roland jazz chorus-40 with a great clean amp, more ideal for the sound I wanted. Thanks guys! This video just blows the myth for me (or reveals the obvious), thanks again, don't stop these videos! Thanks!!
My two favorite amps I'm using right now are a AC15HW and a Tungsten Cortez 5e3 tweed 'deluxe'. Low watts/low stage volume rule. My ears are thanking me, and so are the bar owners where I play ;)
I have been using a '04 jcm 2000 dal 100 1/2 stack since I got it. I had an occasion to play a jam session where everyone had 30w combos... It inspired me to get a Marshall Astoria Dual, Yes!! Quality of build really makes a huge difference. And it is LOUD!
I use a home built 6 Watt amp (12ax7 plus single ended el84) for everything from blues and jazz to doom metal. Using the right gain staging and pedals, and mic selection it works for all those situations.
You guys are masters! I love this video. I compared two amps, a 15 watt and a 30 watt. The 15 watt was nearly as loud as the 30watt but it had less head room and went into overdrive quicker. I do use clean sounds with chorus still and mild overdriven sounds, so I still need headroom. The 30 watt is more than enough for me, at around 4 or 5 gives me enough body and compression for my pedals to shine and shape the tones. This video clarified a lot of the tone quest I had and I'm happy I could listen similar to what you tested here! Thanks guys!
This vid and the one where you were "gain stacking" pedals have been SO helpful for me...thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge! I recommend both the vids for any player who is having trouble getting "the tone" at a volume that doesn't get you fired or run out of a club. Thank you guys!
I use a Mesa Boogie Mark V 35 head with just a Mesa 10” cab. On stage I have the option of 10W mode or 25-35W modes with an attenuator to keep the audience happy. That’s why I like having a separate cab. Since my venues change I have a few options. Great video.
What power output do you use most? I am about to join my first band, I have been a sofa guitarist for 9 years so I really do not know what wattage amplifier to buy. I'm looking at Morgan mvp 23 watt. Would it be enough? It has an attenuator built in which appeals to me for that night practice.
A great video as always. I've made those faces with those amps as well. My AC 15 killed me and while I don't own a Lonestar I did get to play them often at my last job. The Lonestar is probably my favorite Boogie that's made, which is funny because i'm a rock/metal guy! :D The Lonestar Special is a lot of fun too. The Lonestar series are basically a Mark 1 with 2 channels, so it's a great tone, it started the company after all. :)
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9:08 ..... really unfortunate guitar strap placement on Dan's t shirt :'). another great video though. amazing the difference the amps sound depending on if the strat was playing vs the tele.
Jonathan Smith-Wesson omg you're right about the shirt, it looked like "pedo" at times,, love these guys but that's hilarious!!!
Lol
My friend has a shirt that says ANALOG but unfortunate for him, his guitar strap always covers the last two letters.
haha
😂😂😂
For those wondering, the actual difference between the 10W & 100W is 10dB. 1W=30dBm, 10W=40dBm, & 100W=50dBm. To get 60dBm you would need 1,000 Watts of power!!! You guys are absolutely amazing! You keep the information interesting, and at the core of it all you keep exploring, which in my opinion is exactly what music is! Thanks and I hope you stay around for a long while!
+Matthew M cheers M :)
The Vox AC-15C1 purchase I made two years ago has been a master class eye opening experience in just exactly how many watts are truly needed to gig. From my perspective it’s 15 watts. Cheers!🎸🇺🇸
Does the sound guy mic the amp? How do you get the sound to your audience?
For a few months I was the guitar tech for a guy that used a Triple Rectifier (150w) which is one of the loudest amps around. He used it because he liked the clean headroom/pre-amp distortion tone, didn't care about the power section at all, so at normal volume the pre-amp section stays untouched, worked great for him. However, I was always curious about how it would sound cranked to the max, so one time at a small live venue soundcheck, we did it just for the fun factor and holy shit it almost ripped my head in half. He played for 10 or 15sec until I noticed the cab slowly moving backwards from the sheer force of the air pressure pushed out by the speakers lol.
Wow..... This vid should be issued to every guitar player worldwide as a PSA. This vid gave more amp knowledge than 20 yrs worth of guitar magazines! U just made ur mark guys! Cheers.
cool video, very entertaining. I get the concept behind demonstrating loudness, but why the hell wouldn't you wear earplugs?
Murry In Arizona oh shet
@@Murry_in_Arizona Dang, you mean that these:
store.davidclark.com/hearing-protectors/model-9an-2-06504g-03
are inadequate?
I guess I will be wanting the Helmet plates then.
you guys have seriously taught me more about gear than anyone else
+TEEN DIVORCE ah, cheers T, you're very welcome ;)
Even though it's "That Pedal Show" I think that in the future, discussions of amp speakers, guitar pickups should be had as well!
24ZEPACDC that speaker show
That cord length show
24:13-24:16 "Huh?!" Priceless! Fascinating video. You guys are the best!
As an aside, please be careful of your hearing. It's a sad thing to loose your hearing as you age. It's incredibly isolating.
capitan von chicken pants yes not fun at all i have a hard time sleeping now with voices in my head and the constant ringing noise
WHAT?
Agreed. Been at this for 57+ years. The crickets are singing to me CONSTANTLY, and get miserably louder when I crank my '64 Super Reverb with a Boss Compressor to make it sound the way it should. Can only play for a few minutes, but pay for several hours with greatly increased white noise. BTW: My finding is that true Class A amps (without negative feedback loop) will do less damage to the hearing because it has less punch than Class A/B. Again, that's from an experienced player.
ALSO: Watch the amount of weight you carry and lift in and out of your car trunk. I played weekends for most of 35 years, and the last band I was with, I would heft my Fender Twin up over my head and carry it though the crowd at quitting time. I have had foraminal stenosis for eight years now, making it painful to walk every step. It comes from squashing your spinal discs which causes the body to try to fill the space with bone, which presses against the nerves. However, it can be reversed with Hekla Lava and Ca. Flourica. See Dr. Katchen on UA-cam.
ua-cam.com/video/0IA6I8i6KLQ/v-deo.html
The other sad thing is the huge number of people reading your comment thinking....''It won't happen to me''
The next equally sad thing is that it probably will...!!
Spot on. And perhaps doubly hard for musicians, who base their whole life on sounds and songs...
When Mick jumped in with the tasty Hendrix riff... Good lord. That Strat / AC30 / Tumnus combo is unbelievable.
Please do a video about various low wattage amps and what overdrive pedals to use with them to get your sound (sound of pedal vs pedal pushing power tubes).
That would be really great for us bedroom players.
I recently picked up an Ibanez tube screamer amp , it’s a great little amp . All tube ,6V6 /12AX7 ,switchable 5/15 watts , and it has the 808 circuit on the front , and a Celestion seventy 80 10 in. It was less the 400 American . Great little amp.
I second that. Very confusing to decide on an amp for apt practicing. Tube amp with pedals recommendations. Thank you.
I've been playing for twenty years. Each time I see your videos I learn something. Thanks ! Keep up the good work.
as usual the enthusiasm you guys have for good sound was contagious and inspiring. I think I'll stick with my 15 watt Vox after all.
Drew A def man thats all you need yoy can play out anywhere with it and you xan get a 2×12 cab for it and it actually does get lo uder and thats crazy but yeah stick with the 15 I actuallly like the tone of the 10 and 15 better then the 30 anyways I own a 10 and can play out with it I love it and its very loud for the wattage I love using it no need for a 30 and now you can mic anything up so it really doesnt matter as long as you have a good tone
band in the 50s use 15 watt amp for live in tv
@@reviewforthetube6485 Could i get some info on combining an ac 15 with a cab?
@@filipeventura2729 sure what information are you wanting? What kind of cab are you looking at?
@@reviewforthetube6485 Apreciate the quick reply! Well any really, im torn betweeen a ac15 going for 470 with a greenback or a ac30 with 2 greenbacks for 600, im afraid in some time ill need a cab if i get the 15 so looking for any information or experience someone had, on the best way to do it
Thanks!
do a power soak amps vs master volume amps! great job!
even attenuators and power scaling could be added in there!
+Matt Kelaart yeah!
I'd love to see an episode on deliberately mismatching speakers (type, not impedence, of course) in amps, I've always loved the sound of a 2x12 with two differently voiced speakers in it.
Ol' Zircon i have 2 music-man 2x12 cabs from the 70s. I've ran them with 1 70s Eminence OEM speaker w/ an old Pyle Driver speaker, OEM w/ Eminence Texas Heat, 2 OEMs, 2 Texas Heats, a Texas Heat w/an Eminence Governor, and finally OEM w/ Governor. I've sound tested them all in a day to find what best fits my needs. It was a blast to do and super interesting to see how the combinations worked. I was really amazed at how different the sound was from right in front of the speakers compared to about 10 feet away.
Yeeeees!
AC30 with the odrive pedal sounded excellent . Learned about the 3db/ double power too.
Currently playing with the Laney Ironheart- switchable between 1-20 Watts it's bloody lovely to practise at home on 1 and blast open that headroom at 20 when your gigging/practicing, a lot more companies are starting to do this now, from Blackstar to Marshall, thankfully a lot more people are aware of the whole Wattage != louder volumes situation
Low wattage amps rule for home use. I play a blackstar 5 at home at it stays on 0.5 most of the time, and that can be quite loud through a 212 cab. No need for anything bigger when I'm on my own. ✌️🇦🇺
I have a Boogie Mark V, and literally the best thing about it is the ability to run my Cleans at 100 watts for amazing clean loudness but the Drives at 50 watts. If you can buy an amp with per-channel wattage switching, DO IT.
+James Russo Nice! I've been a Boogie fan for years James. Mick
That Pedal Show Awesome, Mick. Out of curiosity, do you ever find the Mesa doesn't sound half as good quiet as when it's turned up. I feel like it's the Blackshadows...
Yep! It's also the OT, the rest of the circuit, the valves, the cabinet resonance.... That's why a purpose designed small amp will make you smile more than a big amp turned down in my opinion.
That Pedal Show Agreed!
I absolutely agree. I love my Mark V. Cleans with a tiny boost and lift from my Rockett Archer sounds amazing. Recommended by Dan. Although the Mark 1 channel on 90 watts is stunning too - given the chance!
I may be wrong, but I think when using the master volume on the Mark V there is a capacitor in there that is essentially acting like an attenuator? You can switch out the master volume and use channel volumes and it jumps in volume massively. Is that right Mick/Dan?
That AC10 sounded great at the end there. What an amazing comparison. I think for me the feel of the air moving makes you think it's a bigger better sound but in actual fact once it's miced you are losing elements of that feel you get in the room. Especially noticeable going to in-ears.
As a proud gear nerd, this is my favorite show on any format! I love how it is never about "you need said gear to sound like so...." Its really about what works best for you, being familiar with our own gear, and great educational information about technical aspects of tone
My favorite amp is a 5-watt 57 Fender Champ.
It's so refreshing to see videos by people who are not only skilled guitar players, but are also articulate and knowledgeable about the subjects they speak about. You guys are really great!
Interesting bits and go-to sections:
00:00 - Intro playing and what two leg-ends are doing today
02:08 - How much louder is a 30 watt amp than a 10 watt amp?
03:12 - Introducing Captain Maths, and how wattage relates to volume (04:35 - nuance: how relevant is the wattage metric?)
08:13 - How the amp's headroom affects actual volume vs compressing/one's perception of volume
10:19 - The nuance and debate on the relevance of wattage in attaining stage volume (11:28 - don't buy a 100 watt Marshall)
12:13 - Benefits of getting your drive tones from your pedals (13:32 - Mick's massive generalization)
14:31 - Boosting into a 10 watt amp vs boosting into a 100 watt amp
17:31 - The point of breakup, tailoring pedals to your desired sound, and 50 watt vs 100 watt amps
18:37 - SRV's approach
19:07 - Sometimes, Dan's genius... it's almost frightening...
22:08 - A loud sound isn't necessarily a big sound (24:09 - commentary on the results)
25:29 - Mick has a schwang, and Dan smiles (26:42 - more commentary on the results)
27:59 - Watt all this means, and Mick has horrible realization
@ThatPedalShow somehow crammed more useful info into a 30min video than should be possible... A grateful nation of tone junkies thanks you!
I play 90% of my set through a big lovely twin, choppy funk tones for days, but when its go time i hit a switcher and fly off through a cranked jtm45! I am living my actual best life :D
To me, since I also run the sound for my band, I find the best overall band sound is minimal stage volume and guitar amps on the sides of the stage pointed at the band just loud enough for the drummer to hear (to avoid having guitars in the monitors), mic'ing them, and letting the PA do the heavy lifting. When its just big cranked amps behind us pointing at the crowd, they only get the full range of the guitar tone to the people directly in front. Mic'd through the PA with the wide-dispersion horns, you get a more even sound over a bigger range of the audience. It takes some getting used to, but the overall mix of the band sounds way cleaner.
or you could just fucking blast it on both
Also, when you just turn up on stage, you cut the heads off the people in the first couple rows and still don't reach the back. The house PA is built specifically to give more consistency over the entire audience, including putting delay on the speakers further from the stage to keep everything in phase. If you have a good house system to run through (granted, you don't always), you're much better off doing so than not, and using it for the majority of your actual power. Then you can just dial up your amp to where it sounds best, not necessarily where it sounds adequately loud.
Charles Johnson we only sing through the PA all that micing is a pain in the arse
Speaking as a guitar player as well as a live tech I am 100% with you! People aren't always mindful that the endgame isn't what comes out of their amp cab but what comes out of the PA. The whole set benefits from a well thought out and balanced guitar rig , a bad one can break otherwise well thought out arrangements.
Having owned and gigged with 15, 22, 30, 40, 45, 50, 60, & 100 watt amps. I find between 22 & 30 watts is the most flexible amp power range to handle MOST gigs. Of course speaker efficiency is a big factor. My current amp is a 68 custom deluxe reverb. At 22 watts it handles most large venues incredibly well. I think the Celestion V type speaker must play as much of a role as the amp!
Ndawg85 agreed however something magical about a 30 or 40 watt 2x12. Much fatter tone than a 1x12 forget cutting the mix
Keep in mind that decibels are logarithmic. A 6 dB increase could be quite significant depending on what you're increasing by 6 dB. Good video though! I didn't realize how small a volume difference higher wattage makes.
+slimjimihendrix Put a 5150 120 watt head & Cab up next to AC 30 the PV will eat the AC 30 before you get past 3 & 1/2 on the PV vol.
Watchman4u Wait until you play guitar through a modeling preamp into a bass rig as a power amp. 800+ solid state watts pushing mid range frequencies into a 4x12 could kill a small child. My own 6505 has been chained into my friends peavey bass combo (around 400 watts) and we bout shat our pants you could use the fucker as a fan it pushed so much air
That is why you get a power attenuator. Crank the volume to get the pre-amp hot and power tubes working and use the attenuator as your volume control.
Dan’s Tele might be the best sounding tele I’ve ever heard
I picked up a Rivera pubster 25 today and it’s going to replace my deville 2x12 60w. My neighbours love it
A guitar demo/explanation video where the presenters are well informed players who aren't trying out their hilarious 90s comedy double act. What's going on here?
+yaisum Hahahahahaha! We'll try harder next time Yaisum. ;0)
+That Pedal Show Truly, a really enjoyable vid and very interesting. Cheers...I was going to say, it would have been useful to have one of you shouting whilst playing to understand how loud they are, but at 16.38 Rick Astley (apologies don't know your name) says something and no sound comes out his mouth at all...so quite loud then.
+That Pedal Show Great vid as always guys. With big sound, loud sound as spoken about. Where would this place something like the Tone King's with the ironman II attenuator ? and pedals and tones, without blowing the walls down? Do you think power scaling like this does work? and does it need to be power scaling from 45 watts? Or do you really still end up with a similar sound from a small (in terms of power) 'bedroom level' amp?
+yaisum Rick Astley!
+benbutterworth Never gonna give you up baby. FFS. Mick
I think people need to watch this video before they start shopping around and/or comparing amps and pedals. The info on this video is so useful!
Wow! Thanks for a fantastic video. Once again, it's great to watch your videos and learn something new every time - most definitely the most interesting guitar related channel on UA-cam. Please keep up the hard work, it's a pleasure to watch!
I'm really hoping for a similar test (bedroom to stage) that brings transistor amps and digital modelling into the equation, and how they all react with pedals at different volumes. It's not new territory, but it would be great to hear it from your point of view and level of detail.
Other than the BluGuitar demo, I can't recall a video from you guys discussing transistor &/or digital amps. There must be a reason for this and it would be great to hear why.
Hi Chris. The short answer is because given the choice, neither Dan nor me would use a transistor or digital amp over a good valve amp. We've been playing valve amps for over 50 years between us and everything we know is based around them. So we have a balancing job to do with TPS. On the one hand we only do stuff that we love and believe in, and on the other, we should be doing stuff that's of most relevance to people who give us their viewing time. But valve vs tranny vs digi seems like something people would love to see, so consider it on the list! Thank you for watching!
+That Pedal Show I totally appreciate where you are coming from, with you and Mic both growing up with and developing your guitar sound and playing styles using valve amps.
Being born in '91 and starting my guitar journey in the early 00's, I, and I'm sure many of my generation and younger generations, have grown up with transistor amps and digi amps.
This may be why, especially on the UA-cam platform which (arguably) is accessed more by younger generations, you get lots of requests asking for comparisons of tube vs tran vs digital - because many of us have more experience with transistor and digital than we do with Valve.
As a result, opening the door to Valve amps and how they differ is a steep learning curve (which thanks you you guys is becoming a lot easier to understand).
We've just made a decision Chris. Or at least I have (Mick). We're going to make this video with a 'live' audience. We'll find a room somewhere, invite some people along and do the comparison. We'll film it, interview the people on what they thought and make that the video - cool?
+That Pedal Show Very cool! I look forward to seeing the video
+That Pedal Show Please, wait until I can afford the trip!
I did not discover the content of this video until I had the pleasure of playing - and ultimately purchasing - a Traynor YBA-1..... loud, Loud, LOUD like my old 15 watt Vox AC15, but the 40-50ish watt headroom is glorious. I am now addicted to higher wattage amps purely for that power section headroom. Nice work gentlemen!
Sometimes I use a Fender Blues Junior at 15 watt or a DRRI at 22 watt when gigging and I have never struggled for volume.
I can totally relate to this demo and the concept of "it's not how many watts but what you do with them." My (then) teenage son once asked me which was my loudest amp, so I decided to try them all out and see for ourselves. In my music room I had a Mesa Boogie Mark IV, a Marshall 30 watt combo with 2-10" speakers, a Marshall 60 watt head into a 4x10 cab, a Line6 Spyder 100W with 2x10, and a 15watt Vox Nighttrain head into a 4x10 Marshall cab. Which amp was the loudest ? Hint: it wasn't the Mark IV. It was the Vox Nighttrain on the 15watt full power setting. Absolutely ear-splitting, couldn't stand in the room volume. The Mark IV Dimed on highest power setting didn't even come close. The Marshall 60watt head was second loudest, followed by the Boogie and then the 30watt Marshall. The Line6 came in last place both in terms of volume and well, everything else.
Didn't know Brian Posehn played such good guitar.Metal by Numbers indeed.
This is probably the most informative video on amps I've ever seen. Thanks guys!
What about the band? Do you cut through (i.e. can the other band members hear you on stage). Tone is one thing, but being heard onstage is another.
That's all to do with frequencies Jake. Volume is certainly a big part of it, but getting the right midrange and presence is really key to cutting through. It's one reason guitar players like Tube Screamers and Klon-types so much for boosts. Likewise if you've ever been to a metal gig and wondered why the guitars sound mushy and indistinct despite the 150-watt Rectifiers (or 8 million watt AxeFX). It's all in the EQ.
Not all metal gigs, we should clarify! Some of those sounds are monstrously mighty! Some...
+That Pedal Show thanks for the response. but do you think you can overcome a squishy amp with a mid boost, or is a more powerfull amp necessary (for cleaner styles of music) in some circumstances?
+jake francis btw I love squishy low watt amps, but my experience is they don't always cut through for the band. That said I've never tried using an aggressive mid boost with them.
You'd need to take away some bass. Low frequencies take more power to amplify than high ones. A Tube Screamer will do that - remove some bass and add mids. It can help the power amp a little bit by relieving it of some of the bottom end, ergo less power taken up by the bottom end, ergo more power for the mids and highs. More clarity. A graphic EQ can work in this regard too.
I think this is the most informative video for guitarists on UA-cam. People get so obsessed with the the idea that amazing tone=high wattage. The best sounding amp
I ever owned was a 64 VibroChamp
11:37....I made that mistake.Could'nt get it past volume 2 on half power mode :-D
I play everywhere with my Blues Jr. I even played the Glasgow Barrowlands with it. Thanks to a good sound guy, PA and monitors etc. it done the job.
+David Knox Great stuff David. Jeff Beck may very well agree with you!
Played for more than 30 years live. The best tone I ever had live was with 2x12 combo amps with a pre amp pushing it. 1x12 are too thin and boxy no need for more than 40 Watts ever I had a 130 watt amp not much different with 2x12s. Need that fullness with a drummer in my opinion
With all my playing I think a 30 watt tube is the best amp.
Not sure what wattage that is in solid state.
I have a slightly different opinion, played a bunch of live shows myself and I found a 20 W (tube) single 12 does a great job when micd up with a shure SM57.
Getting a good signal to your mixer and then out to your floor monitors allows you to not need to use the amp as a monitor and cuts down on stage noise.
Different strokes different folks
Keep on rockin!
This video has done so much for me and my tone. I used to set my amp clean and use an OD for dirt and a booster at the end of the chain for solos. I watched this again and wondered how it would sound to just crank my amp to 10 and dial the volume back a bit for rhythm. Tried it and now I'm hooked. Funny enough that because of That Pedal Show, I've stopped using OD pedals, traded out my delay pedal for an Echoplex, and started using onboard spring reverb in the amp instead of a reverb pedal or slapback delay. I played a gig the other night with absolutely no pedals and loved it.
I Just subscribed to your channel guys. Thanks for all the info and well done videos . Blues On....
You guys are really the best!
I cannot believe how fortuitous this episode is as I've just traded a much too loud for my needs 60 watt Fender...(got a sweet 72 champ and a semi hollow body; not bad)and have convinced my lovely bride of 28 years that I just "must" build a larger amp-but not as large as what just left the house. After your show, I've settled on a Tweed Deluxe Kit. Thanks again so much, y'all really do the guitar community a great service. Please keep up the good work!
Next video will be a review on hearing aids? Oticon vs. Phonak vs. Siemens? Seriously though guys, I do hope you were wearing some sort of hearing protection.
Comment of the day!
Love the AC10 combination with the Tumnus and the Tele.
R.I.P Dan and Mick's ears
In a word...Awesome! I do love playing through meaty wattage amps but increasingly play my 12w Fender Princeton Reverb with the same amount of joy (and less back issues!!)
Very informative and well presented, thank you! (:
it’s crazy to think how little i might know about this stuff if not for the two of you
Watts isn't about volume, it's about headroom
Not exactly. Headroom is only defined on where an amp starts to break up. Here's an analogy for you. You have a car that goes up to 100 miles an hour. However realistically, how often do you go 100 miles an hour? Not very often. You're usually cruising around 35 - 65 miles an hour. This is NOT hitting it's full potential. And as a metal player, I've found out THAT SUCKS. The tubes are not being driven nearly has hard as they should be. Headroom differs from amp to amp. No 2 amps have the EXACT same headroom. Peavey 6505? Very low headroom. Tubes start to break up around 3 - 4 on the volume. This is why 6505's have been metal gods from the start. It was NOT the mesas, it was NOT the oranges, it was NOT the Marshalls. And from quite a few years of experience I can tell you this much. Lower wattage = bigger, brighter, more defined sound. Higher wattage = Less sound, but able to project outwards more (If even given the chance to let it)
I currently play out of a Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 18 30th anniversary, and the other guitarist uses a Panama Inferno 100. Guess who's been told a number of times they sound amazing and actually cut through? Not him I'll tell you that much.
Even with pedals?
blablabla... kesimba is right. Volume are measured in decibels, not watts. a 40 watt amp generates only 6 dB more of volume than a 10 watt amp. Thats because the curve is logaritmic, not linear. @@dehibler4811
@@vexguine I am about to make comment about this on the video, but in high school physics, which I loved, we learned that the scale is logarithmic because that is the way our ears perceive differences in SPL (Sound pressure level) so measuring in this way, 3dB actually SOUNDS twice as loud to our ear.
Seems like this is a fact that these videos are leaving out!
@@vexguine I have found an article that explains this far better than these guys do, from a physics standpoint, generally you need a little over 3x the electrical power to produce 10dB more SPL which will result in 3dB increase in the perceived loudness. The log scale is not being used correctly in this video as far as I can tell.
Cool video! I play once a year with my jobs band. Last year I bought a Tone King Imperial MKII, I was surprised that I did not need to set it much louder than on my home office (Attenuator on -15 dB). Sound guy was extremely happy, and volume on stage was clear and pleasant :) That said, our drummer uses electric drums, so the stage volume is much easier to control :)
Sound is also logarithmic and, depending on how you're measuring it, it either doubles at 3dB or 5dB(depending on exchange rate.) So, every 3 decibels louder, you're doubling actual volume.h
--a Sound Level Meter salesman.
Another way of explaining it is that you need twice the power (watts) to get a 3 dB increase. And, 3 dB is roughly the smallest increase that is perceptible by the human ear......
I played a gig at The Blue Lagoon Saloon in Venice, CA back in the '80s with my then HIWATT CUSTOM 50. The sound tech kept saying "you have to turn down my mate" (he was an Englishman) and the minute I did, there went my tone, my distortion, and the compression that came with it. That's when I remembered something a band I saw several years earlier in my home town where they turned their speaker cabinet around. So that's what I did. It allowed me to keep the amp cranked enough to get my personality and the sound tech bought me a drink after our set. Today I still have a couple of big amps but I also have a pedal board with a Seymour Duncan Powerstage 170 on it. No amp head needed at all. So go small. Less to lug around and you're miking it up anyway. Good luck and another GREAT vid from Dan and Mick.
You said, "You can get a great sound out of any decent valve amplifier, regardless of wattage.". I think that is only true if you have a FX send/rec on your amp, which you don't normally find on very low powered tube or SS amps. Blues On....
Interesting Hutch - you don't think the AC10 sounds good?! Thanks for watching!
+That Pedal Show I think it sound great and is a very good amp but varying tonal qualities while playing is greatly enhanced when you can ad a delay or echo, any time based modulation type pedal after the preamp section. Blues On....
Once again Hutch I have to disagree. All the classic guitar tones come from amplifiers without effects loops. Vintage HiWatts, Marshalls, Voxes, Fenders, Orange, the list goes on and on. Check out some of our videos on delay going into the front end. Effect loops can be great but great time certainly doesn't rely on them
That Pedal Show True, but they go into a mixing board with effects in the mixing board and the software as well. That's why studio albums are usually preferred over live albums.. I fully admit that it is All subjective and personal preference. I prefer amps with a great, great clean, a gain, post volume and master volume with a FX loop.
I'd vote this episode as #1 so far. Your approach from an educational standpoint is what makes this so interesting. Keep it up!
My buddy always teases me about having too much power. He gigs with a marshall class 5 combo, and my mains are a twin reverb and a 59 bassman 410. It is very rare that I can get either really breathing, but when I can, good lord does it sing.
That being said, my other buddy uses a jtm45/100 and a hw59slp, so I'm not that loud lol
+MrBingping My buddy uses a 6505 120 watts Head and i use a Blackstar ID tvp 100 and i cut through the mix (band volume) with only 40% of my volume while he needs like 60% to be heard
+Tone Pimp1 does he scoop the mids? That's the quickest way to negate volume
yup just that XD and uses a lot of treble i tell him every week that,thats what keeps him out of the mix but well he doesnt understand he thinks it is a volume problem
Another 59 Bassman owner here. Yeah it's a bit loud but sweet lord it sounds good cranked.
Great video... I use a Dr. Z MAZ 8 at home and a Dr. Z MAZ 18 on tour. Both with attenuation because I don't want to have to touch the Preamp or Master Volume knobs. They're just where they need to be so the amp sounds great with and without pedals. Just a point to add here... attenuation can be a very valuable tool when you have to do what the sound guy says.
Dudes! Great video, but please get some earplugs in, I'm worried for your hearing! :O
+J G Harding no doubt that both of us will have suffered some hearing loss over the years JG. You can't hear the amps properly with plugs in though. We'll have a bigger room one day. Maybe with some screens. :0)
+That Pedal Show Ah commiserations, you're missing out on some beautiful dog-whistle symphonies...
Sorry, what did you say ?
Power is a logarhythmic function. To double the POWER of an amp you need ten times the watts!! - The relevant difference between high and low wattage amps lies not in the power, but in the HEADROOM!!
- Another big thing, that is often forgotten when this content is discussed: When you play today on bigger events, nearly every time there is a P.A. and a monitor system!! This is simply, because in our modern times everybody knows, that it is an illusion to think, that a somewhat differentiated total sound can be reached by simply cram a chaotic number of very different sound producers like drums, vocals, guitars and keyboards ( maybe more...) - which ALL produce VERY differeent own natural volumes, on a stage and to think, you can make them equally balanced!! Without a total balance by a central sound-regulating system this is hard to realise!
- But when you are playing into a satisfying driven P.A. and monitor system, its easy to equal for example a 30 Watt guitar amp, a 300 Watt bass amp on the one side and vocals and drums on the other side, which need NO primary electronical amplification just to produce a sound!
For smaller events the problem is not relevant, because you simply have to turn down the louder amps a bit to balance out the total over-all sound.
So - where is the problem?? - I tell you: Its usually just that certain "species" of dumb guitar-players, who deny the laws of acoustics and think, they are only "real men", when they produce ear-shattering (... and destructing) noise!! - A full, warm and "biting" distortion sound is not a result of maximum volume, when you have cool gear!!
A truely bad physical/medical problem is the slow decrease of the function of your ears, to perceive certain frequencies around 4000 Hertz, which medicine calls the "C5 pit" (or, in other verbs, "Rock musicians desease"). Its a chronical, irreversible progress of destruction of the human acoustic neuro-receptors in your hearing system, that occures, when your acoustic sense is permanently confronted with certain frequencies that appear much too loud and it usually happens, when you hear rock music. In rock music, especially THESE frequencies are massivly present. So, as a permanent active rock musician, you have to take care for yourself and protect your ears!
I learned in my university education, to measure my loss of the ability to perceive certain frequencies by using a method called "audiometry" - and was really shocked, how much of my ability to perceive the mid-spectrum of my acoustical environment i'd already lost in 7 years of playing in rock bands!
*So, again, take care and protect youself, friends in music!!*
This demo made me by a a reissue AC10!
Jordan Kent are you happy with it?
Yes, it sounds great in my bedroom.
Ever gigged it? How'd it do? thinking about doing the same
Great video guys. Love that there's a channel devoted to such guitar-centric topics but done in such a thoughtful and methodical way. Excellent production standards as well. One of my fav UA-cam channels by far. Keep up the great work. Nice to see other people who share the same intense passion for all things guitar-tone related.
Thank you Dave, very kind of you to say. Thanks for watching!
More watts = More Fun
Just like the gain equation: More Gain = More Metal
Great show guys!
I have a Seymour Duncan Convertible 100watt from 1981
It's been recaped and works perfectly.
There's a dial that controls wattage from 5-100 watts.
Along with the ability to change the preamps modules and several cabinets this amp can morph into many different beasts.
Thanks for this discussion
How about an attenuator through the Mesa?
Does that solve the buyers problem of "do I want high wattage amp or something more practical?"
+Anthony Ziomek If you can only have one amp, then yes Anthony. But a bit like a do-it-all guitar, why would you want that? I'd much rather have a Strat, Tele, Les Paul, 335, Junior, Gretsch //and// a Ricky. Same with amps. The more it does, the more you're compromising each one of those things in my opinion. But yeah, if you've only got space for one amp, get a swiss army knife type!
10-4 roger that! I've had a ac 15 for years now- cash flow has been pretty low but finally going up- thinking of getting a tone king imperial- seems like its pretty versatile- any thoughts?
Mick here - I've loved every Tone King Amp I've ever played. Um, except for the one that looks like a TV, the Falcon (lots of people do love it). The Sky King is magic too, but do try them alongside a Victory V40 and some decent pedals.
thanks for the suggestion much appreciated! you guys ever try the bogner pedals with the Neve transformer? I got my hands on the harlow and the wessex and they literally brought my single coils to LIFE- if you know any info on what makes those transformers so different from others- please share- very interested
hey Mick, which pickups do you have on your strat ? it sounds great !
Can't really say whether this is one of the best guitar-related video on YT or not, but it certainly is one of the wisest.
Ah i see. So if you want to get a nice creamy compressed sound it would be easier to do so with a lower wattage amp because you would be reaching it's "peak" sooner than say a 200 watt amp which has more headroom.
+GeoAl09 bingo ;)
Great episode as always! Would be great to have an episode dedicated to Vox AC 15 and Vox AC 30 and difference between Normal, Brilliant, and Top Boost and drive pedals that work well for each ie. treble boost into Normal channel ala Brian May, King of Tone and Klon etc. in Brilliant, and drives for the more finicky Top Boost. Also recently saw a Jackson Ampworks amp on the dumble pedal episode and wondering if you'll be featuring that anytime soon. I don't own one, but I think they are my current favorite amp builder judging by clips I've heard, design, and features. Would be great to see you guys give it a workout! Thanks for what you do. I look forward to every episode!
I play small venues and I'm turning up an AC30... Yeah. I'm that guy.
+The Lampshades Yes! We love you. :0)
so,not getting any call backs then?
...and that's why I don't go to local shows anymore.
I mean ive played small venues with a 100w Marshalls and ive seen people play small shows with 200w orange stacks. Its not unheard of lol
Really great stuff from you guys. Why didn't you make this video before I put a 100-watt Marshall stack in my bedroom? Oh well.
Because of you guys, I did something yesterday I haven't done in years. I have a BBE Sonic Stomp that I run in the loop. I forced myself to leave if off. I left the red/high gain channel for the clean channel & a distortion pedal. After some tweaking, I was so happy I played for 4-hours straight! I found it odd though that without the BBE, my delays (2 in the loop) were almost inaudible. I had to crank their level knobs to get back to where I was. Please, I'm not knocking the BBE. Just interesting.
Immense thanks to you guys.
Magic numbers:
bedroom: 5 watts - 1x 12 speaker
studio: 15 watts - 1 x12 speaker
bars: 50 watts - 2x12 speakers
stages: 100 watts -4x12 speakers
why? because monitors suck... you wanna listen from your amps and speakers. Projection of sound is a sound guy problem. Cover the drummer and listen to yourself. You can't go wrong with theses numbers.
vexguine - so 120w and 8x12 is too much for my bedroom? I’ll be the judge of what’s too much (or little) in my bedroom!
But yes it’s too much, I moved it to the living room.
@@PapaWheelie1 volume is mesured in decibels, not watts or speaker inches. My numbers are based on the subjective concept of "air moving" and not the decibels produced by speakers (because they can't produce any) You can have your 8x12 projecting the same amount of decibels as a 1x12, but the perception of loudness is different (why? lot of factors like effectiveness of speakers measured in db per W/metre and the frequencies covered). Nobody said you can't be your own judge. If you know what works for you, let the guys that don't know have some simple info to decide. My magic numbers are industry standard numbers and if 8x12 works for you in your bedroom, ok. But I can assume you use them for aesthetics (implanted in your brain by decades of marketing) and not acoustics.
@@vexguine - I'm not disagreeing, your chart is totally spot on. A full stack is way too much for a house. But it is fun...
Plus I hate my neighbors.
I have a bar in my studio and my local bar has a stage in it. How should I handle these situations.
@@chrisdee5032 you can't. you are stuck. maybe give up on guitar and start playing the flute?
What a great video, as always! I use a 15 watt Matchless for the breakup and a Fender Twin for clean. There is a rig rundown on youtube from Brian May, he always runs many AC30's flatouts with a treblebooster and controls the drive with his volume. Yes pedals are great, but nothing beats some stacked AC30's, that must be terrifyingly loud, but hey we are all mortals..... Questions though: 1) an Amp that almost breaks ups without a drive control sounds better when cranked up compared to an amp that you increase the drive control. Why? 2) What impact does class A versus AB have? 3) Difference between a booster/ overdrive versus treblebooster.
Hello, thanks for the questions. 1) Not always. But we think you're referring to when you drive a preamp really hard with the master turned down and it sounds small and fizzy. You've got loads of squash and compression and reduced dynamic range in the preamp, so when it gets to the power section there's not much scope to make it dynamic, loud and so on. You'll find that if you turn the master to max and set the level with the preamp gain, it'll sound pretty good. 2) Depends entirely on the rest of the amp's configuration, but that's a topic we may investigate soon. Class A, less power, quicker compression and lower headroom. AB the opposite, but not always! 3) The treble booster only boosts a specific portion of the frequency range. A lot of overdrive/boosters boost a wider range of frequencies, depending on the unit. Hope that all helps! Thanks for watching. Mick
Ps, AWESOME rig. Bet it sounds heavenly!
What wattage is good for gigs
+Lawson Vaughan Did this video not answer that?
That Pedal Show not sure it was a lot of info
It depends where you play...if you're playing in squats with no pa or unmiced amps a half stack is good..if it's miced a 15-30 watt tube amp is easily enough
I have 4 tube amps, the highest wattage being 22 watts. My 5 watter is more than enough for most practice applications. The 20s are good for most performance applications. But, if I need loud, I can run one of these preamps through a 150 or 200 watt SS power amp. I've found that in most live applications this is quite acceptable. Personally, I like lower volume. I'm really impressed with the quality and informational value of your videos. Thank you so much.
Thanks Edwin, it's hard to get across but 5 watts can be LOUD :)
I wish amplifier companies would stop using wattage and start using decibels to talk about how loud an amp is.
Knights of the Hobby Table except there can be a huge difference between just one number to the next, so it wouldn't really tell you anything useful
great video!! I had years of owning 100w tube amps and never being able to turn the volume past 1!(including gigs) now using a Marshall class 5 combo and it is more than loud enough
+David Leech excellent! Cheers David :)
I cranked my 100w marshall in my bedroom and my light vibrated and fell out of my roof
They are designed for arenas not bedrooms lol
that's not the amp. it's just a dodgy light fitting :) lol
Dingo Johnson way way back in the 70’s I had this monster Sun amp with a 4x12 cab in my bedroom...it was loud as Fock...one day I cranked it, hit a chord and my bong vibrated off the amp head and hit the floor spilling bong water everywhere...🎸🔊🎶🤘🏻
Man fully cranking my 20 watt shook the entire foundations of the house with every chord
My 10 watt KT88 blackstar can shake the walls of my apartment at 12:00... It's insanely loud for 10 watts
I gig with a 100watt fender twin through 2 evm12ls with a shield, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Clean headroom is the way to go for what I do and playing through that amp is just the joy of my life. It is worth it if you can tame a 100 watt beast, you will be rewarded with the tone and feeling of the gods imho.
+Miles Harris We would so love to hear that. Mick has a bit of a love-hate-love thing with EVs. :0)
That Pedal Show I can totally understand why some people don't dig EV's, they are so different from normal speakers it can be sort of jarring. but since you don't get any speaker distortion paired with a cooking twin you get this awesome clean compression that is amazing. Even with a fair of drive it is so easy to keep a lot more note clarity then normal which can make for a really cool sound that can be hard to get out of other speakers sometimes.
:D Hahaha: "the horrible conclusion is you can't just have one amp,"
I've already played that part of the video to my wife. Not sure she agrees, but it was worth a try!
Hi Guys! As Daniel mentioned in this video about bedroom tones, I own a Blackstar HT stage 60 (2x12) and it sounds pretty good for home use. I also have a Roland Micro Cube and it sounds incredible with a Wampler pinnacle running into the clean sound. It's just better for home use for me, It's controllable and sounds huge! Love the video as usual guys!
I use a Blackstar Artisan 15 and have never had it higher thanabout 10 o'clock on the volume at a gig, it would just swamp the stage volume and kill all the stage mics and ruin the overall band sound. At low volume it is spikey sounding, but at rehearsal/gig volume it sounds full and on the verge of breakup and perfect for gain stacking and volume riding ... We did turn up at a gig once (about 120 capacity venue) and another band turned up with a full 100 Watt stack. The guy ruined the sound of his band and the 120 all left for the bar!
In the end if a guitarist is a part of a band they can't see it as a power or volume competition, the ego has to give way to the whole band sounding good.
+Russell Jones I've got the same amp (Blackstar Artisan 15) and find exactly the same. It easily keeps up with an un-mic'd drummer, even though from about 11 o'clock onwards it doesn't get much louder, just fatter and bigger sounding.
I do think the Artisan 15 is a bit of an oddity (in a good way) in this regard. It sounds less like a "small amp", and more like a "big amp that just happens to only be 15 watts". Recorded you could easily mistake the sound it makes for a big cranked Marshall.
I used to have a Laney VC15, and it definitely sounded like a "small amp" (boxy midrange, not much headroom, didn't really cut through). The Artisan 15 in comparison sounds big and full, even though it's the same wattage as the Laney. I'm sure the Artisan 15's big transformers (for a 15 watter), 12-inch Greenback and large ply cabinet all play a part here.
Just goes to show that there really is a difference between a "big" sound and a loud one.
I find the same, I used to play a Fender Blues Jr and that sounded much more boxy and not nearly as powerful, despite the same wattage. I wouldnt use the Artisan at home as it just doesnt sound as nice at low volume, but for gigging or recording it's brilliant!
Another great one chaps. I recently rediscovered my old 20w Marshall DSL 201 combo with EL84s - everyone automatically thinks it's rubbish as it has the worst ever high gain channel - but a wonderful clean channel which compresses in a gorgeous way at 'normal' mic'd gig volumes. Still never had a chance to get my '84 50w jcm800 4104 above 2.... Cheers fellas.
I have a Marshall 18/20W clone and a 45/50W clone, and I find I always go in through the low gain input. Not because the hi-gain preamp channel sounds bad, but rather because I can drive the power amp that much harder. I have pedals that let me do a lot more nuanced gain staging, and they love not having to fight the preamp.
And now I need to buy a 100W tube amp...
Sometimes, you just need 100 watts :)
Brilliant. Helps with some problems I've had lately getting an AC30 and Deluxe Reverb to co-exist with the rest of the band. I had considered a compressor to deal with the huge dynamic range, but now I see that pushing the amp harder with pedals at lower amp volumes is probably the way to go. Why didn't I know this already? I love how you guys touch on things that should be obvious but are often overlooked.
The 30 watt amp is 20 louder than the 10 watt amp. Thought this was common knowledge?
And the 100 watt amp is 70 louder than the 30 watt amp and 90 louder than the 10 watt amp. It's amazing that people don't know this.
And my amp goes to 11
My amp goes to 100 because it's 100 watts.
PeterDad60 - But at the end of the day right before you go to bed my amp is still 99 louder. You can even check the math if you want, 100 - 1 = 99 > 99 louder. You cant argue with math. :)
I believe the point is that while they are louder, they aren't much louder.
That little Vox sounds magical with the od at a low volume.
Love micks playing, always a joy to listen him! Wish he'd play more on these videos...
Let's all take a moment to acknowledge Mick and Dan's ongoing tinnitus. Your sacrifice is appreciated and I think I want an AC15 now. 😂🤘
This is an amazing video. I've made that mistake whereas I bought a vox valvetronix series 100+ and it disappointed me. I guess because the compression wasn't there and when I used my pedals, it just wasn't the sound I wanted. I settled with a Roland jazz chorus-40 with a great clean amp, more ideal for the sound I wanted. Thanks guys! This video just blows the myth for me (or reveals the obvious), thanks again, don't stop these videos! Thanks!!
The tele sound of the intro it's a perfect exemple of perfect crunch tone
My two favorite amps I'm using right now are a AC15HW and a Tungsten Cortez 5e3 tweed 'deluxe'. Low watts/low stage volume rule. My ears are thanking me, and so are the bar owners where I play ;)
I have been using a '04 jcm 2000 dal 100 1/2 stack since I got it. I had an occasion to play a jam session where everyone had 30w combos... It inspired me to get a Marshall Astoria Dual, Yes!! Quality of build really makes a huge difference. And it is LOUD!
I use a home built 6 Watt amp (12ax7 plus single ended el84) for everything from blues and jazz to doom metal. Using the right gain staging and pedals, and mic selection it works for all those situations.
10:15 Don't need a lot of power at home.
19:45 Smaller amp turn up louder.
You guys are masters! I love this video. I compared two amps, a 15 watt and a 30 watt. The 15 watt was nearly as loud as the 30watt but it had less head room and went into overdrive quicker. I do use clean sounds with chorus still and mild overdriven sounds, so I still need headroom. The 30 watt is more than enough for me, at around 4 or 5 gives me enough body and compression for my pedals to shine and shape the tones. This video clarified a lot of the tone quest I had and I'm happy I could listen similar to what you tested here! Thanks guys!
This vid and the one where you were "gain stacking" pedals have been SO helpful for me...thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge! I recommend both the vids for any player who is having trouble getting "the tone" at a volume that doesn't get you fired or run out of a club. Thank you guys!
I use a Mesa Boogie Mark V 35 head with just a Mesa 10” cab. On stage I have the option of 10W mode or 25-35W modes with an attenuator to keep the audience happy. That’s why I like having a separate cab. Since my venues change I have a few options. Great video.
What power output do you use most? I am about to join my first band, I have been a sofa guitarist for 9 years so I really do not know what wattage amplifier to buy. I'm looking at Morgan mvp 23 watt. Would it be enough?
It has an attenuator built in which appeals to me for that night practice.
A great video as always. I've made those faces with those amps as well. My AC 15 killed me and while I don't own a Lonestar I did get to play them often at my last job. The Lonestar is probably my favorite Boogie that's made, which is funny because i'm a rock/metal guy! :D The Lonestar Special is a lot of fun too. The Lonestar series are basically a Mark 1 with 2 channels, so it's a great tone, it started the company after all. :)