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5.3 UNCHAINED - 1978 C10 Square Body LS SWAP - Installing Engine & Transmission TOGETHER - UTX
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2022
- Today at Ugly Truck, we're installing a 5.3 LM7 and a 4L60E trans in a 1978 Chevy C10 the hard way! We start by installing a new low profile oil pan, windage tray, and pickup tube from @JEGSHighPerformance. Next, we find the balance point of the engine and transmission, and get the straps and chains set up so that we can safely maneuver it into the engine bay. That shallow pan comes in handy as we're tipping the engine and transmission into place, but it's still pretty tricky. We don't recommend installing the engine and trans together like this, but this video gives you a good idea of what it takes, and how steep you have to tip the engine to get the transmission into the tunnel. This method adds some challenges, but in the end it saved us about an hour of work on this swap.
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I buy the hole running vehicle for the swap , then I part out the vehicle. I don't make much profit but the engine n Trans cost less ,plus I meet a lot of people that buy the parts from me , some fun .God bless yall real good.
That's what we prefer to do too. We reuse a lot of parts from the donor vehicle, and part out or scrap the rest. They're getting hard to find! Thanks for watching! 👍
I'm Dan, Martha's my wife. You do very informative and excellent work.
Thanks Dan! We appreciate you watching! --Emily and Jerry
I'm looking to do same thing with my 79 c10 Bonanza... Thanks for the pointers!!
Thanks Quincy. We appreciate you watching. Jerry and Emily
Squarebody Stuff sent me here & just I subscribed.
Strong work with that LS swap!
Thanks for subscribing! Welcome aboard! 👍
Great video, I didn't think you could get both in at the same time, but you did it ! Nice job ! Another video I'd like to see you make is swapping the Vortec truck intake
manifold for a LS1 or LS2 intake which is lower in height and fits smaller cars' lower hood better . Thanks for all your great videos .
Thanks for watching! We may have those coming up soon! 😁😉
Love that yellow truck, I had a yellow T 600 KW I’m kinda partial to bright colors
It's a sweet truck! 😎
I cheered out loud when he wiggled the engine and it dropped in...✊🏾... I love your channel... touche ‘
🤣 I did too! It just needed a little wiggle! Thanks for watching! 😁
Thank you
I sure enjoy your videos! Very informative. I like to see things done right! Plus, it’s pleasing to see a couple working together so we’ll!! That’s rare!🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thanks for watching! We're definitely a couple of oddballs, but we have a lot of fun! 😊
The oil pan, DD Speed Shop does cut and weld his. Now I appreciate why.
We were just talking about upgrading our welding setup. Cutting one down would be a lot of work, but it would be pretty cool. Thanks for tuning in!
Excellent video
Thanks William. We appreciate you watching. Jerry and Emily
You have a lot of faith in that engine hoist having motor and transmission hanging 5 ft in the air and working on it like that personally I'd have it much lower for all that work and sat on a milk crate or something instead if it did fall it would not fall very far in comparison to where it's gonna fall from now
I prefer to get them up there. Absolutely take every precaution to do my best to make sure it is safe. Just a matter of what your comfortable with. I do like to get them down to the ground asap though. Thanks Glenn
Another great video.
Thanks for watching!
5.3 lm7 and a 4l60e = 775lbs, I weighed both with a crane scale.
That's good to know! Thanks for watching!
You need an A frame overhead hoist. That would be a good investment for these engine swaps. Great job on this one though. What's going in the top end of this build?
That really would be nice. We are working on another section of the shop and that would be a great addition. Definitely make life a lot easier. This is going to get a regular 5.3 intake with electronic throttle control. Nothing to fancy. Am going to keep the original battery location and a different air intake but other than that pretty standard. Thanks for watching it. We appreciate it...
What was the part number of the Jegs oil pan you used? If the answer is here and I missed it, I'm sorry. Thanks a bunch! Keep up the good work.
👋 Thanks for watching! Here's a link! www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/50275K/10002/-1#
My good buddy Chad from Squarebody Stuff sent me.
New Sub 😎🤘 I've got a 5.3 4l60e swapped 82 Gmc shortbed myself I'm taking to the NoNameNationals. I've made the 500 subs I just gotta register as soon as possible.
I went with a BP automotive harness and fuse box on the 03 DBW 5.3. Wanna change the gas pedal to the Square body style LS swap pedal.
Very cool! Thanks for subscribing! I don't think we'll have time to get any of our stuff ready to race in time, but we might be there as spectators. Maybe we'll see you there! --Emily
What are your thoughts on the 4L60E vs the 700R4? I've heard that the 4L60E is just an electronic version of the 700R4 and from my personal experience I find the 700R4 to be a highly unreliable transmission.
They are virtually the same transmission aside from the 60e being controlled by the ecm. Both of them have their week points but as they got a little older in the production of them a lot of their issues were weeded out. You can build a 700r4 with some upgraded parts and have a really reliable transmission. The only thing I don't like about 700s is the throttle vacuum cable. When I buy 4l60e's I try to buy them later on in their production date. 2004 on up. Thanks
Wow that was easy, still trying to figure out how you were raising an lowering that trans with that strap,
The engine and transmission is picked up at a point where it is balanced in the center like a teeter totter. It takes very little effort to lift the nose of the engine up at that point. Thanks for watching.
Great start to another awesome LS swap video. I can't wait to see part 2. How long does it take you all to do one start to finish
Thanks for watching! That's a great question... We work on daily drivers through the week, so the LS swaps tend to get done on nights and weekends. If we didn't have anything else to work on, I think we could have a swap done in a couple weeks.
Did the customer want the shorten pan? On the 85, Will the stock pan sit flush with the crossmember with the mounts yall use?
The stock pan sits about a inch below the k member. The owners of this truck did let me go ahead with the low profile pan on this truck. I wish we could do this on everything we work on but the cost adds up really quick. Thanks for your question. We appreciate it...
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Can you fit the OE style AC compressor with these engine brackets? Do you need to trim the frame rail? Can you also use the OE fan clutch assembly?
As far as the oil pan, does this setup require a low pro oil? I bought sa 2002 Chevy 2500 Truck with 72k miles on it and I'm planning to swap the 6.0 and 4L80E into it.
Hey Rubicon! Jerry makes a bracket that keeps the AC compressor in the OE location but moves it in clear of the frame rail. Here's a link to a video on that: ua-cam.com/video/8uzU0dikeu8/v-deo.html Yes, you can use the stock LS mechanical fan clutch. At stock ride height, the stock oil pan is fine, but if you ever plan to lower it, you'll want a low pro pan. 👍 Hope we answered all of your questions! Keep them coming! --Emily
What is the difference between oil pans from Jeggs or summit or holly oil pans? Which is a better oil pan? For a ls motor? Thank you.
Hey Don. I went to just using the Holley low profile pan. We went with the cheaper ones a couple of time and I did not like the baffle at the bottom of the pan. It would not fit around the pickup tube without the transmission being slid back from the engine block or modifying it. Have had no issue with Holley's, so I just stick with them. Let us know what you go with and how it goes. Thanks. Jerry
Do you have to swap the pan? I'm wondering just how low the stock pan hangs below the crossmember.
If you're at stock ride height, the original pan is probably fine. I have an OEM pan on my 70 C10 with no issues, and it sits lower than a squarebody, but if you ever wanted to lower it, it could be a big issue. Check out this video... This is an 85 C10 with a stock pan, so you can see how low it hangs. ua-cam.com/video/TO7AwQB-2Z4/v-deo.html
Thanks for watching, Jason!
What are you all using to see gear shift indicator on the dash?
I am installing a Dakota digital gauge cluster with a 4l80e and a 6.0 LS with a standalone wire harness to power those..
Thanks for watching! We wanted to use a Dakota Digital dash, but they weren't available in our timeframe for this one. We used the original shift linkage, so the stock indicator works. Here's a link to how we hooked up the shift linkage, if that helps! ua-cam.com/video/jh7UkYNqVqk/v-deo.html
We used a Dakota Digital adapter for the speedometer, oil pressure adapter, coolant temp adapter, and wired in a check engine light lower on the dash. It's pretty cool that there's no sign of an LS swap until you open the hood! 👍
Another great video I have an 84 c10 I'm about to swap n these kind of videos let's me know I can get it done thanks for all the info
Glad we can help! We've got a lot more coming! 👍
Have you ever looking into different motor mounts? There’s 2 different companies that make some really good motor mounts for these squarebody swaps and allows you to run the factory truck pan with it being level with the crossmember! One company is Tejas and the other is gowenmountain speedshop. Tejas scoots the motor 3” forward and lifts it up. The gowen mounts also lifts it up the same amount but their mounts are completely adjustable forwards and backwards.
Tejas is $100 shipped to the door and Gowen with hardware and shipping was around $130.
I originally started with the ict ones and the threads stripped out super easy and I got aggravated and ordered the tejas mounts and found out they had 3 week lead time so I also ended up ordering the gowen mounts because they can be here in 2 days and the owner is sending me a powder coated set for no up charge.
Downfall is you can’t reuse the factory driveshaft which I wouldn’t advise anyways
We are well aware of these motor mounts. When you raise an engine say one inch up in the front, you also have to raise the tail of the transmission up another inch in order to keep that angle. If you have a body lift on the truck you can do that but when working with stock stuff it is just not possible. You have to take the driveshaft angle into account. Thanks for your comment. Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience thank you for the reply Jerry! That is definitely something the manufacturers do not mention. Both manufacturers make their own cross members as well but don’t make any mention of differences in angles. How would you solve this other than lifting the transmission? Adjust pinion angle?
If you do not have a body lift on whatever truck you are working on there is not enough room to lift that transmission tail up that high. You really are doing yourself a favor by buying a low profile pan or keeping the stock pan if you are not lowering the truck. Keep those lower mounts as close to stock as possible. The drive shaft angle is a very big problem when you are trying to build something as a daily driver.
@@UglyTruckExperience thank you for the info I believe I’m going to try out the eBay $160 holly knock off pan! I do plan to put the truck on bags. Its a summer only daily.
Thanks James. I would love to hear your opinion on that oil pan. I purchased one that was much more than 160 bucks and was not happy. If you have good luck with this one I might give it a shot on one of our own trucks. Thanks for your comments. We appreciate it. Jerry
What did you end up doing for AC lines on this truck ?
We're still trying to talk the owner of this truck into hooking up the AC, but check out this video on another squarebody. ua-cam.com/video/A4nrGG5hxjI/v-deo.html Hope this helps! Thanks for tuning in! Emily and Jerry
So did you need to cut a drive shaft or did the original bolt right up ? I want this exact setup in my 74 square body and having to cut a drive shaft would sure add to the expense of it all. I'm assuming the front yolk is from the LS trans ???
This truck ended up needing a driveshaft that was a little longer for some reason. I ended up having to have one built for it. Thanks
Does this change the difference of driveshaft? I’m currently trying to swap my 77 gmc shortbed with 5.3 4L60
Hello Metro. You will probably have to have your driveshaft shortened. Here is a link to a video we did on driveshafts. Thanks. Jerry and Emily ua-cam.com/video/hBGIVLHMeh8/v-deo.html
do you have to change the oil pan and windage tray like you guys did? i have an 88 chevy c30 dually that has the same style front crossmember and the motor is planned to be put in
6/13/2023 and been getting knowledge from you guys on what is needed
Nope, that's optional. The stock pan does hang a couple inches lower, so if you plan on lowering the truck it would be something to consider. Best of luck with your project! We appreciate you watching! --Jerry and Emily
@@UglyTruckExperience awesome. and thanks for your reply so soon. its a service truck and am hoping to increase mpg. traded the original tbi 454 for an 03 avalanche and am hoping to have it going asap lol. again thanks for the reply and the content. its been the most helpful out of all the videos i have seen.. keep up the good work
@@UglyTruckExperience would you guys happen to have a video on how to hook up the stock hydraboost and steering box to the 5.3 power steering pump and (optional?)cooler?
How much is to swap One just like that
DOGGO!
She's the star of the show here! 😁
This was the stock transmission crossmember?
Yes it is the original cross member. It just gets slid back a couple inches and new 7/16 holes drilled in the frame and it works perfectly. Thanks for watching. Jerry
So can i put a 350 transmission on a LS ? Off my 350
Yes you can.
Nice swap!!!👍💪🏻 its this c10 a short or long bed?
It's a long bed. It's a sweet truck!One of our favorite customers!
How much was this $ donor drivetrain?
I bought this as an engine, transmission, computer and all the accessories and I believe it was 2300.00 with shipping to get it to me. The cost of these seems to be going up drastically though. I just bought a low mileage 5.3 and ended up paying 2000.00 for it.
How much you charge
On average these have been running around 7500.00. That is with us supplying engine, transmission and any other parts required to get this done. It mostly depends on the cost of the engine and tranny which seems to be going up lately. Thanks
@@UglyTruckExperience thanx for putting price on these, most ppl dont want to say . its very helpful , wondering too, if possibly add part numbers for gaskets n seals n price each, which parts you guys highly recommend changing . thanx
Like watching the content, but you two babble way to freaking much.
Sorry you don't like our babbling, but I appreciate your feedback! Thanks for watching! --Emily