Gm changed from a flared fitting to an o-ring fitting on the power steering lines some time in the early 80's. You can use a stock 1986 power steering hose without an adapter, and it will work just fine.
You are very helpful! I have been struggling to get power steering on my LS swapped 74, driving with manual steering is a pain, now i can look forward to having power steering! Thanks a million! :D
I’m definitely watching all these swap how to videos and probably rewatch when it comes time! I wish you had a hydro last swap. I’ve got one in the shed and my plan is to put it on the 84
Hello Mike. I misspoke on this video and meant to say 78, not 87. In the early 80's they changed to that fitting and most of them screw right in. We uploaded the video before we noticed I screwed up. Glad yours went smooth. Thanks. Jerry and Emily
Hi guys, I'm in love watching you do the swap on the LS. I know that this trick work for me a few times. I don't know if it'll work for you but, but I take him the pressure regulator out of an old pump like I have a 68 Camaro and used it in a new modern pump, it worked for me. That way you don't have to use the adapter from summit. I don't know if it'll work for you. I can't hurt the check. If you look for it yourself it's a thought. Thanks again.
Thanks Brandon! CPP is the manufacturer, and Summit adds CLP at the beginning for some reason, but either one should get you the right parts. We appreciate you tuning in!
Question: I have a 97 Vortec 350 in a 85 c10. I have a 6.0 for the 85 but the PS pump has a separate reservoir. Would the PS pump that is on the vortec motor now fit the LS?
That's a great question.. I'm just taking a educated guess but I would not be surprised if it does work. I have never tried so could not say for sure. If you give it a shot and it does, please let us know. Good Luck.
And... if you want to give the steering wheel effort a boost-meaning make it feel less easy to turn, or give it more "road feel" by slightly upping the effort required to turn the steering wheel-you can change the flow control valve out to a 2.5GPM, or even a 2.0GPM. They are widely available on the internet and will greatly increase the steering wheel turning resistance. When I swapped my 70 C10 over to LS I found the steering was SOOOOO easy.. Like you could parallel park using just a pinky finger.. Then I swapped out the flow control valve and got the wheel to a point where it felt much more comfortable. It then lost the cruise ship steering wheel feel, and got something closer to like what a performance car, or even the newer import cars, feel like. I LOVE making these modern updates to the older vehicles. And.. if you really want to upgrade the steering, you can use a mid 80's truck power steering box that has fewer turns lock to lock! You can get 3 turns, or less, lock to lock, which is also a great upgrade to the steering. Fewer turns, and more resistance, make for a "tight" steering feeling going down the road. LOVE these old trucks. Great job on the video! You got a like from me!
Great info! We have the close ratio gearbox on our 70 C10, and the LS pump made a huge difference in how it drives. But now you're making me want to play around with the control valve and see what happens. Thanks so much for liking the video! We appreciate you watching!
Yep. That is how we do it. Most of the donors we get have hydroboost. The pump is the same, it just has two returns. Cap the top return off and just use the lower. Jerry
I wish I found this video before I spent $190 on getting a line made. Still turned out great but your way would have probably saved me money on the hose and gas money 😅
Hey Salvatore. Sorry to just now respond. If you have a manual steering box. You will have to install a power steering box and just run a pressure and return line to it. You may have to adjust the tie rods afterward to make the steering wheel straight, but that is it. Thanks. Jerry
Stupid question. I did my lines the same way you did, so I know they're right. When I first started my engine I forgot to put power steering fluid in (it was empty). It didn't make a single sound. It didn't run but maybe 10min without fluid. I have since filled it and worked my steering from lock to lock several dozen times with the engine off and with it running. I have zero power steering. It's full and doesn't make a peep. Is it a bad pump? I guess Ive never had a pump go bad on an LS with my other vehicles.
No such thing as a stupid question here! Your pressure valve may be stuck. It's on the back of the pump where the pressure line screws in. You can try turning the wheel back and forth with the engine off to free it up. If you can do it with the front wheels off the ground it's a little easier. Those pumps are really tough. You could run it without fluid for a long time before it would burn up. Let us know how it goes! Thanks for watching! --Jerry and Emily
Well that didn't work.... I tried with it off and went back and forth for nearly 10 min with it in the air as aggressive as I could and tried the same thing with it running. It still doesn't work.
Hey Gary. There is a plug that is made specifically for plugging the vacuum port on those manifolds. They are used on the trucks with hydroboost. Here is a link for an aluminum one. The OEM are plastic. www.google.com/shopping/product/11535207499144862754?q=ls+vacuum+plug&sca_esv=0a002056b542477b&sxsrf=ADLYWIJttlR8oSBD2CGQtuApGQxG8B1_dA:1715799635621&ictx=111&biw=1231&bih=575&dpr=1.3&prds=eto:2326625722502819540_0,pid:9682403238389560163&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjY-Jztq5CGAxUw4MkDHR6yBHgQ8gII-wkoAA
I like how you show real world fixes with detailed video and parts info. Unlike Simple C10 channel is just making videos to promote the Amazon affiliate links. Its very spammy.
Thanks Mr Yuk! I can't knock someone for trying to make a living, but it can be super annoying. We try to keep everything simple and budget friendly. 👍 Thanks for tuning in! --Emily and Jerry
The threaded fitting on the back bottom of the pump is the pressure line. If your donor had hydroboost, it will have 2 return lines that just have a flared steel line for a hose clamp. You'll want to cap the return on the side of the reservoir and use the other for your return, if you don't plan to use hydroboost on your swap. Hope this help! Thanks Israel! --Emily and Jerry
I have a new pump on a 383 for my 85 square body 4x4 the pump is a flare style I believe and my lines are o ring style. Do they make an adapter for that? I bought the one you mentioned thinking it would work and it does not
Hey Shawn. If you still have the pump that you removed, you could take the fitting from the original pump and install it into your new pump. The adapter that I was referring to went from flare to o-ring. You might have to get a hose from a earlier year with the flare if not. The earlier hoses were flare and somewhere in the early 80"s they went to the o-ring. I screwed up in that video and gave the impression that they were all flare up until 87. Not sure why your pump would be the older flare though being an 85. Jerry
Does anyone know the part number for that CPP fitting? I’d like to do this but go to a 16AN fitting instead of the factory crimped hoses. I just need the fitting size and type that goes into the pump so I can match that to an AN fitting
The part number is 605SOL. Here's a link to them on Summit, it has all the info you're looking for. We appreciate you tuning in! www.summitracing.com/parts/clp-605sol
I bought that high pressure for my 86 camaro. The fitting that goes into the steering box fits properly except when it bottoms out the hose is still free. Is there a fix for that? It will rotate freely and lift up and down. In the video it said it works with 67-87, are there exceptions to that?
That 86 Camaro original hose should fit directly into the LS power steering pump without any kind of adapter. As long as the bends in the hose reach the pump ok. If it is an O-ring fitting I am not sure why it would move around in the pump after being tightened. Look that fitting over good and make sure it is the correct thread. Let us know what it turns out to be. Thanks Jerry
If it seemed to fit ok you may have a pump that the pressure fitting may have been changed. Otherwise, time always tells. Let us know what happens. Thanks
So, some of these have a solenoid thing and plug coming off the pump that changes pressure wirh vehicle speed or something like that. Can I just take that shit off? I was confused when my line goes in from the front under the pump.
Hey Dan. Yes, you can just leave that off. My 74 has the same thing on it and I did not connect it when I used a different harness. It was only around for a couple years. I think they figured out that it didn't do anything worth while. Jerry
Thanks for watching! We weld in new O2 sensor bungs in the new pipe in about the same position that the original front O2 sensors were in. We eliminate the rear O2 sensors and have them deleted from the PCM when it's programmed. Check out this video for more info! ua-cam.com/video/TO7AwQB-2Z4/v-deo.html
Having issues with my power steering on my swap. Steering wheel jerks around and steers by itself after hooking up the LS power steering pump to my 1983 C10 steering gear box. Do I need a pressure reduction kit installed so it doesn’t do that??
Hey boss, doing a 79 c10, lq4 swap. I have that hydro boost line on the side of my pump. do i just leave that line disconnected if not where shall i connect it to?
I believe the fitting at the pump on your 1990 is a o ring fitting so you may be able to use its original power steering hose. I have never swapped a obs so I could be wrong. Let us know how it goes. Thanks
I have a question for you guys. What's the cheapest way that I can control a 4l80 in my 92 Sonoma with a small block. Can I do it with the pcm and harness from the doner truck , or do I have to drop like 1200 bucks on an aftermarket tcm?
I should have read your comment more closely. If your running just the computerized transmission it would probably be easiest to use the aftermarket controller. Probably not the cheapest though. If you were using a stock controller I would think that the ecm would just need to know rpm and the speedometer signal. That would be a question for a person that does the programming. Shift points would probably need to be programmed for whatever your running it behind. Thanks
I’d recommend the stand alone controller, the stock computer uses inputs from the engine that one may not be able to map out of, and unless you can provide an alternative input it will mess with your transmission shift program. Unless you have a really good person to reprogram.
Love the video content, just noticed you guys are in strafford, I'm in Fairgrove an doing a 2008 4.8 swap on 79 c10 an could use some help on wiring up the terminator x max, an some other things. Do u have a contact number?
Got a 77 gmc k25 with manual transmission n ls swapping a 5.3 in it , how would I go about hooking the old lines for the power steering n clutch line to the 5.3 power steering
Gm changed from a flared fitting to an o-ring fitting on the power steering lines some time in the early 80's. You can use a stock 1986 power steering hose without an adapter, and it will work just fine.
Thanks Clayton. I will make a point to mention that in a up and coming video. We appreciate you watching and commenting.
It will work on a non o ring gear box?
I tried it but does not work because you need 1 side o ring and the other side flare non o ring
Another great tip and trick. Such great info. Let's get these fine folks to a million! They deserve it!
Thanks for watching! We'll get there someday! 😁🤞
My goodness, I finally found out why my pump whines..changing that return line around tomorrow. Lol thank you sir.
That's great Phillip. Let us know how it goes. We appreciate you watching.
You are very helpful! I have been struggling to get power steering on my LS swapped 74, driving with manual steering is a pain, now i can look forward to having power steering! Thanks a million! :D
Thanks Max! That's so awesome! We appreciate you tuning in!
I’m definitely watching all these swap how to videos and probably rewatch when it comes time! I wish you had a hydro last swap. I’ve got one in the shed and my plan is to put it on the 84
I am thinking about putting one on my 74 k10 and would absolutely do a video. Thanks Bowtie. Jerry
Seriously appreciate y’all’s channel
We appreciate you watching our stuff!
Thank for the Video. Summit has them as well. CLP-605SOL
Thanks Texas Nova! We appreciate you tuning in!
Hi All. I was lucky my 1982 fitting on line screwed rite in.. so that was nice
Hello Mike. I misspoke on this video and meant to say 78, not 87. In the early 80's they changed to that fitting and most of them screw right in. We uploaded the video before we noticed I screwed up. Glad yours went smooth. Thanks. Jerry and Emily
Hi guys, I'm in love watching you do the swap on the LS. I know that this trick work for me a few times. I don't know if it'll work for you but, but I take him the pressure regulator out of an old pump like I have a 68 Camaro and used it in a new modern pump, it worked for me. That way you don't have to use the adapter from summit. I don't know if it'll work for you. I can't hurt the check. If you look for it yourself it's a thought. Thanks again.
I will check that out. We have 86 here that I will try. It makes sense though. Thanks.
Thanks for the video, your timing couldn't be better as I am in the middle of my LS swap.
We appreciate you tuning in!
Love the LS SWAP VIDEOS
Thanks! We appreciate you watching! 👋
I might be mistaken, but when I looked for this, the part number was CLP, not CPP, on Summit. Great video. You saved me money and headache.
Thanks Brandon! CPP is the manufacturer, and Summit adds CLP at the beginning for some reason, but either one should get you the right parts. We appreciate you tuning in!
Omg this helpped so much i killed my pump, i ran the return on the top one
Glad that it helped. We appreciate you watching. Thanks Jerry and Emily
Another great video. Looking forward to the next one. Radiators and fan set ups can be tricky.
Thanks for watching! The radiator video is coming up very soon! 😁
Perfect, thank you for the great video!
Hope it helps! Thanks for watching! 😁
Excellent information
Thanks for watching! 👋
Question: I have a 97 Vortec 350 in a 85 c10. I have a 6.0 for the 85 but the PS pump has a separate reservoir. Would the PS pump that is on the vortec motor now fit the LS?
That's a great question.. I'm just taking a educated guess but I would not be surprised if it does work. I have never tried so could not say for sure. If you give it a shot and it does, please let us know. Good Luck.
Slick way to persuade the tube for more clearance.
That dead blow hammer is well versed in the art of persuasion! 😁 Thanks for watching! We've been enjoying your videos!
And... if you want to give the steering wheel effort a boost-meaning make it feel less easy to turn, or give it more "road feel" by slightly upping the effort required to turn the steering wheel-you can change the flow control valve out to a 2.5GPM, or even a 2.0GPM. They are widely available on the internet and will greatly increase the steering wheel turning resistance. When I swapped my 70 C10 over to LS I found the steering was SOOOOO easy.. Like you could parallel park using just a pinky finger.. Then I swapped out the flow control valve and got the wheel to a point where it felt much more comfortable. It then lost the cruise ship steering wheel feel, and got something closer to like what a performance car, or even the newer import cars, feel like. I LOVE making these modern updates to the older vehicles. And.. if you really want to upgrade the steering, you can use a mid 80's truck power steering box that has fewer turns lock to lock! You can get 3 turns, or less, lock to lock, which is also a great upgrade to the steering. Fewer turns, and more resistance, make for a "tight" steering feeling going down the road. LOVE these old trucks. Great job on the video! You got a like from me!
Great info! We have the close ratio gearbox on our 70 C10, and the LS pump made a huge difference in how it drives. But now you're making me want to play around with the control valve and see what happens. Thanks so much for liking the video! We appreciate you watching!
Thank you for your video
Just became a subscriber here
Thank you
Glad it was helpful! We appreciate you watching and subscribing! --Emily and Jerry
so basicsally if i have the ps pump with the hydro booster i can just block that returnb off and use actual ps pump return and pressured line?
Yep. That is how we do it. Most of the donors we get have hydroboost. The pump is the same, it just has two returns. Cap the top return off and just use the lower. Jerry
Any idea what steering box you have? I will be converting my 66 when I do my LS swap.
This truck has a LARES 11248. It is new, not reman. I purchase them from Rock Auto. Jerry
Thank you very much
Thanks for watching!
Good job
Thanks for watching! 👍
I wish I found this video before I spent $190 on getting a line made. Still turned out great but your way would have probably saved me money on the hose and gas money 😅
Extra gas money is always a plus! Thanks for tuning in!
Thanks
Thanks for watching!
What else would I need to do on my 77 C10 that has a manual, non power steering box? Besides the obvious pump and line modifications that you mention?
Hey Salvatore. Sorry to just now respond. If you have a manual steering box. You will have to install a power steering box and just run a pressure and return line to it. You may have to adjust the tie rods afterward to make the steering wheel straight, but that is it. Thanks. Jerry
Have you guys done one with a hydro booster?
Hello Jesus, No we have not added a hydro boost to a swap yet. Have always wanted to though. Thanks for watching. Jerry and Emily
Stupid question. I did my lines the same way you did, so I know they're right. When I first started my engine I forgot to put power steering fluid in (it was empty). It didn't make a single sound. It didn't run but maybe 10min without fluid. I have since filled it and worked my steering from lock to lock several dozen times with the engine off and with it running. I have zero power steering. It's full and doesn't make a peep. Is it a bad pump? I guess Ive never had a pump go bad on an LS with my other vehicles.
No such thing as a stupid question here! Your pressure valve may be stuck. It's on the back of the pump where the pressure line screws in. You can try turning the wheel back and forth with the engine off to free it up. If you can do it with the front wheels off the ground it's a little easier. Those pumps are really tough. You could run it without fluid for a long time before it would burn up. Let us know how it goes! Thanks for watching! --Jerry and Emily
@@UglyTruckExperience I did that already.... I'll try again tomorrow but more vigorously lol
Well that didn't work.... I tried with it off and went back and forth for nearly 10 min with it in the air as aggressive as I could and tried the same thing with it running. It still doesn't work.
Doing an 86 4x4 from 6.2 diesel to 02 5.3 Ls holly/edelbrock.. vic jr msd 4016.engine plate and 700r4-208.
That sounds like a great project GMGUY. Keep us posted on your progress. The fuel system is really interesting to me.. Thanks for watching. Jerry
Question, what do I do with the vaccum boost fitting I'm not going to use? Just plug it off? If so how?
Hey Gary. There is a plug that is made specifically for plugging the vacuum port on those manifolds. They are used on the trucks with hydroboost. Here is a link for an aluminum one. The OEM are plastic. www.google.com/shopping/product/11535207499144862754?q=ls+vacuum+plug&sca_esv=0a002056b542477b&sxsrf=ADLYWIJttlR8oSBD2CGQtuApGQxG8B1_dA:1715799635621&ictx=111&biw=1231&bih=575&dpr=1.3&prds=eto:2326625722502819540_0,pid:9682403238389560163&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjY-Jztq5CGAxUw4MkDHR6yBHgQ8gII-wkoAA
I like how you show real world fixes with detailed video and parts info. Unlike Simple C10 channel is just making videos to promote the Amazon affiliate links. Its very spammy.
Thanks Mr Yuk! I can't knock someone for trying to make a living, but it can be super annoying. We try to keep everything simple and budget friendly. 👍 Thanks for tuning in! --Emily and Jerry
On the pump
Which one is pressure ?
The threaded fitting on the back bottom of the pump is the pressure line. If your donor had hydroboost, it will have 2 return lines that just have a flared steel line for a hose clamp. You'll want to cap the return on the side of the reservoir and use the other for your return, if you don't plan to use hydroboost on your swap. Hope this help! Thanks Israel! --Emily and Jerry
I have a new pump on a 383 for my 85 square body 4x4 the pump is a flare style I believe and my lines are o ring style. Do they make an adapter for that? I bought the one you mentioned thinking it would work and it does not
Hey Shawn. If you still have the pump that you removed, you could take the fitting from the original pump and install it into your new pump. The adapter that I was referring to went from flare to o-ring. You might have to get a hose from a earlier year with the flare if not. The earlier hoses were flare and somewhere in the early 80"s they went to the o-ring. I screwed up in that video and gave the impression that they were all flare up until 87. Not sure why your pump would be the older flare though being an 85. Jerry
What’s the part number on the O-ring fitting from Summit?
It's a CPP 605SOL. Thanks for watching!
What’s the part numbers on the o ring to flare adapter
It's a CPP 605SOL. The part numbers for the hoses are in the description if you need those as well. Thanks for watching!
Does anyone know the part number for that CPP fitting? I’d like to do this but go to a 16AN fitting instead of the factory crimped hoses. I just need the fitting size and type that goes into the pump so I can match that to an AN fitting
The part number is 605SOL. Here's a link to them on Summit, it has all the info you're looking for. We appreciate you tuning in! www.summitracing.com/parts/clp-605sol
I bought that high pressure for my 86 camaro. The fitting that goes into the steering box fits properly except when it bottoms out the hose is still free. Is there a fix for that? It will rotate freely and lift up and down. In the video it said it works with 67-87, are there exceptions to that?
That 86 Camaro original hose should fit directly into the LS power steering pump without any kind of adapter. As long as the bends in the hose reach the pump ok. If it is an O-ring fitting I am not sure why it would move around in the pump after being tightened. Look that fitting over good and make sure it is the correct thread. Let us know what it turns out to be. Thanks Jerry
Are your crimp fittings just pex fitting crimps used on house plumbing ?
Yes, the 3/8 fuel line uses the 1/2 inch pex crimp clams. I also have an assortment of other sizes that I order on line. Thanks
@@UglyTruckExperience Awesome. I already have the crimper and fittings from my house remodel. Great Idea! Love your channel! So much useful knowledge.
Thanks, We appreciate you watching.
Someone told me ls power steering is much higher pressure than older Chevy's. Do you know if this is true?
Yes, and it works much better!
For the holders you made for the wiring at the front of the oil pan, where did you get the plastic clamp?
They're on the original wiring harness, but you can buy them brand new in any size. They're pretty handy. Thanks for watching!
Was able to find them on Amazon. HE90 Wire Harness Routing Clip Assortment.
I took my c10 pressure line and put it on the Ls pump. It fits without the adapter. Will it leak or fail with out the adapter?
If it seemed to fit ok you may have a pump that the pressure fitting may have been changed. Otherwise, time always tells. Let us know what happens. Thanks
So, some of these have a solenoid thing and plug coming off the pump that changes pressure wirh vehicle speed or something like that. Can I just take that shit off? I was confused when my line goes in from the front under the pump.
Hey Dan. Yes, you can just leave that off. My 74 has the same thing on it and I did not connect it when I used a different harness. It was only around for a couple years. I think they figured out that it didn't do anything worth while. Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience thanks for the duper quick reply!!! Your videos have helped me greatly.
Do you happen to have the part number for the metal hose on the return side?
What year is your truck?
@@UglyTruckExperience 85 c10
what do you do about the O2 sensors for an LS swap on the new exhaust system?
Thanks for watching! We weld in new O2 sensor bungs in the new pipe in about the same position that the original front O2 sensors were in. We eliminate the rear O2 sensors and have them deleted from the PCM when it's programmed. Check out this video for more info! ua-cam.com/video/TO7AwQB-2Z4/v-deo.html
Great video. That pre-bent return hose is $34.00 now lol
Thanks! We appreciate you watching!
This should work on a 67-72 truck too right?
Yes it will! Thanks for watching!
Would this be the same for a 6.0 also?
Yes it is! Thanks for watching!
Having issues with my power steering on my swap. Steering wheel jerks around and steers by itself after hooking up the LS power steering pump to my 1983 C10 steering gear box. Do I need a pressure reduction kit installed so it doesn’t do that??
That is what I would start with. Sounds like your gearbox is not liking the higher pressure. Jerry
@@UglyTruckExperience Thanks. I ordered a Borgeson 899001. I will play with the adjustment and see if that fixes it.
Hey boss, doing a 79 c10, lq4 swap. I have that hydro boost line on the side of my pump. do i just leave that line disconnected if not where shall i connect it to?
That line just gets capped off at the pump. Make sure you use the lower return fitting also. Cap off the higher return. Thanks
I’m doing a 5.3 swap on a 1990 Chevy truck is there a big difference between the one your doing and the 1990
I believe the fitting at the pump on your 1990 is a o ring fitting so you may be able to use its original power steering hose. I have never swapped a obs so I could be wrong. Let us know how it goes. Thanks
I have a question for you guys. What's the cheapest way that I can control a 4l80 in my 92 Sonoma with a small block. Can I do it with the pcm and harness from the doner truck , or do I have to drop like 1200 bucks on an aftermarket tcm?
@@UglyTruckExperience Thank you.
I should have read your comment more closely. If your running just the computerized transmission it would probably be easiest to use the aftermarket controller. Probably not the cheapest though. If you were using a stock controller I would think that the ecm would just need to know rpm and the speedometer signal. That would be a question for a person that does the programming. Shift points would probably need to be programmed for whatever your running it behind. Thanks
I’d recommend the stand alone controller, the stock computer uses inputs from the engine that one may not be able to map out of, and unless you can provide an alternative input it will mess with your transmission shift program. Unless you have a really good person to reprogram.
Love the video content, just noticed you guys are in strafford, I'm in Fairgrove an doing a 2008 4.8 swap on 79 c10 an could use some help on wiring up the terminator x max, an some other things. Do u have a contact number?
Got a 77 gmc k25 with manual transmission n ls swapping a 5.3 in it , how would I go about hooking the old lines for the power steering n clutch line to the 5.3 power steering
Hey Brian. You say power steering and clutch. They should be two different systems. Do you have a 77 with hydroboost? Jerry
I got it lol last owner had this thing all cobbled n butchered n things going places they shouldn’t