"You Can't Buy a Eucharistic Revival" - Dr. Ralph Martin
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2023
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You can’t have a Eucharistic revival WITHOUT a revival of the Sacrament of RECONCILIATION. One MUST precede the other in order to even approach the Body and Blood of our Savior
Yeah true. The faith comes alive when you begin to take it more seriously. Doing confession at least once a month helps a ton.
@@regandonohue3899 Yeah, once every week or so, or three. I started to want to be more worthy when I look up eucharistic miracles and I'm reminded that it's Jesus' actual HEART under the appearance of bread 😊
Exactly! I Agree!
YES!! I’ve been saying that exact thing, if you want a Eucharistic revival, bring back the altar rails, so everybody begins receiving on the knees and on the tongue!!! Many parishioners that attend Sunday Mass will never attend a Eucharistic revival conference, but they will receive Holy Communion every Sunday… Start the revival at the parish, in the Mass.
100% agree🙏
Yes! Well Said! Exactly!!!
My small-town parish got a new priest in 2011 and he started making changes, slowly. Even then, some people didn't like hearing the truth, and they left. But the parish is now booming in a little town of 3700 people. Altar rails were installed, we only receive the Eucharist from the priest, Mass is said Ad Orientem and a few Latin options are available too each week, and no more "altar girls" either. Some people travel an hour or more to attend here. I'm blessed to be only eight miles away. Faith Formation classrooms didn't have enough chairs for all of the students enrolled last year. Growing pains can be a great problem to have.
Where is this wonderful parish. People should share location details as it might help some random person scrolling through
@@amdg672 When I travel I refer to a website called Reverent Catholic Mass so I know where to go when I'm not at home. My parish is on it.
What's wrong with female acolytes, that sounds like an unnecessary and actually sexist change that has no basis in theology.
Because serving at the altar as a child is more than simply "stand on stage and get attention." It's meant to foster a vocation to the priesthood.
This! All the plans I’ve heard for “reviving” our relationship to the Eucharist seem so shallow to me. It’s about having meetings and big gatherings on the diocesan and national level to psyche people up when what is really needed is a more traditional celebration of the Mass in each local parish.
What happens at your church every Sunday matters more than what happens far away one time.
Yes to altar rails Matt! Coming from an Anglican background the lack of rails and, kneeling, really saddens me when I started attending a Catholic mass. If you attended an Anglo-Catholic service, you’ll see a higher level of reference for the Eucharist than you do at some NO masses.
Try a TLM they have rails and kneeling for reverence of the eucharist. Does Anglican have priests that come from the Catholic tradition though because the Eucharist may just be a wafer with them.
@@1901elina idk try to find a TLM even in their novis Ordo they have rails for the Eucharist and the priests know the blessings for the Eucharist otherwise you might just be getting a wafer (a symbol) and not the actual body of Christ 🙏🏼🕊️✝️
@@roseg1333Ehhh Anglican theology is varied. They reverence the Eucharist as Jesus Himself. Anglo-Catholicism is a short bridge to Catholicism
This is something I have struggled with as a convert too. I thought swimming the Tiber would bring me closer to everything I loved about my Anglo-catholic upbringing, just more!
How odd! It was dread of the Novus Ordo that delayed my conversion from the CofE for years. Now I happily attend the TLM which is in many ways (except the language) the same as the eucharist at Pusey House and other anglo-catholic churches.
You’re right on point Matt, Ad Orientum and replacing the Altar Rails while people receive the Blessed Sacrament on the tongue will do more than any “program”. It shows what we believe.
My reverence for the Eucharist increased even more when I did two things. One, I took up Eucharistic Adoration. Two, I began wearing a veil. (I attend the Novus Ordu Mass). I encourage more women to take up wearing a veil. I don’t want to see the veil becoming mandatory, but I would like to see more women looking into wearing a veil or hat at Mass.
How does it change things?
I'm going to be honest, I've resisted wearing the veil because a lot (not all) of people I know who wear one have turned out to be...well, really nasty people once you get to know them. There's a lot of one up man ship that goes on in some circles that I've been in (versus actual concern for reverence), and I don't want to be associated with that.
If there's something to veiling that transcends that though, I'd like to know. I think I would be open to wearing a hat...I gotta look into finding some decent hats though.
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam.
Kneeling.....yesssss!!!
I agree! Also, hopefully, it will lead people to dress better for Mass. No more beach wear or tight short outfits.
Bravo Matt! @0:22 - I told an archbishop (who will remain nameless) the exact same thing, in a diocese where neither thing is supported (especially facing Ad orientem). Very sad! Dr. Martin is also spot on about programs. The USCCB is using a corporate marketing model that is NOT inspiring the faithful. Reverence matters!!!
Keep in mind that St. Basil refers to ad orientem (praying east) as Apostolic Tradition that no one* has authority to change. So it is not only an issue in renewing our sense of reverence and even eschatological hope in liturgy, but also restoring our reverence for Apostolic Tradition and the teaching of the fathers, which is most critical today.
Doesn't he say the same thing about not kneeling on Sunday?
@@aaronmueller5802 Many fathers recommend standing on Sundays because of the resurrection. Nicaea I regulates this with a canon so that all churches must avoid kneeling on Sundays. They still encouraged alot of prostrations, kneeling, and bowing for all sorts of other occasions. I don't know if these fathers appeal to the practice of standing on Sundays as apostolic in origin however. I'd have to do a deeper dive. Here is St. Basil's quote: "For were we to attempt to reject such customs as have no written authority, on the ground that the importance they possess is small, we should unintentionally injure the Gospel in its very vitals; or, rather, should make our public definition a mere phrase and nothing more. To take the first and most general example, who is thence who has taught us in writing to sign with the sign of the cross those who have trusted in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ? What writing has taught us to turn to the East at the prayer? Which of the saints has left us in writing the words of the invocation at the displaying of the bread of the Eucharist and the cup of blessing? For we are not, as is well known, content with what the apostle or the Gospel has recorded, but both in preface and conclusion we add other words as being of great importance to the validity of the ministry, and these we derive from unwritten teaching. ... we all look to the East at our prayers, but few of us know that we are seeking our own old country, Paradise, which God planted in Eden in the East." -- St. Basil the Great (ca. A.D. 329-379), On the Holy Spirit, 27:66
And his Divine Liturgy is great. His ANAPHORA is longer than EP1/Roman Canon.
100% agree Matt! That’s exactly what needs to be done. Altar rails, kneeling, Ad Orientum.
Yes to altar rails and receiving on the tongue! I’m a lifelong NO attendee and while we received on the tongue at my childhood parish, I noticed every other parish I ever attended when we moved around gave the Holy Eucharist on the hand and it made it sooo casual. I started to be repulsed by everything about the mass except the sacrifice part. It all seemed like some casual meeting we were having to check it off the list for the day. Thankfully during COVID we discovered a traditional church and even though I have always believe Jesus was present, there was something soo incredibly humbling about receiving KNEELING on the tongue. Out of all the things that struck me about the latin mass, and there were a few, the most impactful part of it for me has been receiving the Eucharist by the priest himself on my tongue while kneeling. It just shifted something in my heart and humbled me. I can’t put it any other way. It makes you small, like a child and in a position of pleading. You get fed the living bread like a baby who can’t feed himself. It’s just beautiful.
It makes you small, like a child and in a position of pleading. So now you know how the altar boys that your priests abuse feel.
Amen yes to this! I attend the TLM too and I literally cried the first time receiving the eucharist there it was so so beautiful. Straight balled my eyes out and I never ever ever cry in public. It was so beautiful in ways I can’t articulate 🙏🏼🕊️✝️
I brought this up at Ave Maria Florida parish a couple months ago that everybody in our church should receive communion, kneeling down on the tongue and then if there’s too many people, they should have kneelers in the center aisle, portable kneelers during communion time
Did it work
@@marynowak3091 No the Priest Itold I don’t even think he said anything to the Pastor.
That is to bad. I wanted to bring it up to my priests but he is about to retire and doesn't seem to interested about to much. Maybe our new priest will be more interested
@@bethmcmullan7686 I didn’t that’s all I said was to the priest that either the Blessed mother or Saint Michael, the Archangel I don’t recall which one of the apparitions said that Jesus is highly offended by communion been in the hand, and the priest agreed with me. I don’t know if he told the pastor or not. If I find a video or the apparition, where was spoken, I will paste it to the venue.
@@bethmcmullan7686 ua-cam.com/video/AJRalfJVUvY/v-deo.htmlsi=ZWsR52D_gNZH_SSe
Yes! We had a priest in Pittsburgh that was using the altar rails, ad orientum, and Latin chant. He started a revival. Sunday Mass attendance was full to capacity. However, his bishop ordered him to stop. Doesn't make any sense.
Sad. So sad.
Bishop Zubik did enforce Francis' directive restricting 1962 Liturgy, which did upset me. However, the Bishop of Pittsburgh is rather orthodox.
He presided over my great uncles' funerals, both priests of the Diocese who each served over 50 years with collar.
You can have the V2 Mass in Latin.
And the GIRM states Latin can be used in the V2 Liturgy, all or in part.
@@AJKPenguinBishop Zubik has a female MC at his Mass. This is a novelty.
@@DominicMazochThe diocese identified the issue is distribution of Holy Communion at the altar rail.
GIRM #160
160. The Priest then takes the paten or ciborium and approaches the communicants, who usually come up in procession.
.... The norm established for the Dioceses of the United States of America is that Holy Communion is to be received standing,
My parish took a simple approach which is effective-weekly Adoration at times when working people can go. The number of people attending increases monthly.
Why stop there? TLM with it's beauty and reverence is the answer.
I've been praying about this topic. We do need more reverence at every mass. I believe altar rails are a good place to start. (It will take fervent prayer and many other changes as well, but I do think it's a good start). I'm saying this as a person who has grown up in the same parish as my parents and grandparents, who were devout and faithful Catholics. In my lifetime, we've never had altar rails. However, I can see some parishes having a difficult time making this change--for multiple reasons. Logistics being one of those. I'd like to hear an interview with a priest who has recently made these changes in his church. Did the parish priest initiate the change? A parish council? How was it presented to his parish? How were funds collected to pay for the rails? How do they handle handicap/elderly parishioners?
THE BISHOPS NEED TO STOP ALLOWING PRO ABORTION POLITICIANS FROM RECEIVING HOLY COMMUNION! ITS A SACRILEGE ABD SCANDAL! GOD IS SO OFFENDED!!!!! THEN BRING BACK THE COMMUNION RAILS AND HOLY COMMUNION ON THE TONGUE WITH THE ALTAR BOY HOLDING THE PATEN IN CASE OUR LORD SHOULD FALL! PRIESTS NEED TO LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT TO COME TO HOLY COMMUNION WITHOUT GOING TO CONFESSION FOR MORTAL SINS....IS A SACRILEGE! GOD BLESS!!!
We are in Berlin. Charismatic. 24-hour adoration. Novus Ordo. Altar Rails. Everybody kneels. Communion with the host dipped in the Blood of Christ on the tongue. 1000 people at Sunday Mass, 200 weekdays. Is that enough, or not?
Altar rails!!!! What a novel idea. Ad orientem! And a wee bit of Latin?????
My home parish, Polish Catholic Church, brings out kneelers and a majority kneel to receive. Altar servers also use pattens to make sure no pieces fall on the floor. The priest says mass facing the people but there is a cross on the altar that the priest faces to try to offer mass ad orientem.
In stark contrast, the parish I go to for daily mass which is closer to my home, none of that. Ive seen people try to kneel to receive and the priest forces them to stand up. Sad.
Also went to my first TLM this weekend. Night and day.
I go to Adoration whenever I can, I use to pray before the tabernacle until I changed jobs.
No clue what is said here, but what I can say it clearly has already enriched my life and thousands of others that spent the weekend in Bemidji!
Beautifully & loving explained, Ralph re you’re concerns
This is exactly what our priest is doing. We have confession before most masses, adoration all day Friday and Monday evenings, rosary 4 times a week, first Sunday and Saturday observation, communion kneeling on the tongue and mass celebrated ad oriented. He consecrates the bread and wine so slowly and reverently, that you can really participate and pray.
I live close enough to my local parish that has I could walk there - but I rather drive 12 miles 4 times a week to participate at a holy mass and get instructed by a holy and humble priest. He used to say The Latin Mass on a weekday but he is obedient to the Bishop and reads the mass reverently and solemnly.
Not sure how long we will have him, because holy people are vilified and driven out of their parish. I have experienced this twice. But this holy man is strong and is not willing to be the puppet of some parishioners and they are mad. But other people come from further away because of his reputation.
I remember as a kid seeing Joseph Campbell say in interviews that he didn't like the modern Eucharist. He said it cheapened the Sacred and turned it into a cooking class. I didn't know what he meant at the time. 40 years later I understand.
YES!! I totally agree, bring back the rails! It will remind - or teach- everyone the reverence of the Eucharist.
One thing that pretty much all parishes could do now is have kneelers at communion. This would normalize kneeling and make it more comfortable and therefore more likely for a person to kneel if they were thinking about it. Easy middle ground for parishes that dont want to full send it. Of course, I do agree wholeheartedly that altar rails are the way to go. If you've ever received communion kneeling, you know it's such a different experience that causes humility and also a greater perception of the majesty of God who you are receiving.
I have always believed in the real presence, but I lacked true understanding. I read Brant Pitre’s book Jesus and Jewish roots of the Eucharist. Now my belief is rooted in understanding.
Best answer Ralph!!!
Look at all the eucharist miracles happening though!!! God is good.
Amen, Matt
As an Eastern Orthodox, it is very strange to hear of a need for Eucharistic revival. Its just the sort of thing that blows my mind, the idea receiving communion kneeling, standing, on the tongue or in the hand- just so many variations. Very strange and I hope that you all can reach genuine and true consensus on the matter.
In all seriousness, pray for us. We need it.
I grew up in a unicorn church. Didn't realize what i had till i went to college.
Well said Ralph Martin! Repentance in Faith ,Confession and the receive the Lord in the form of Bread and Wine.
Yes, it’s in the heart where revival springs. Be cautious about too much emphasis on the outward form of religion.
@jvmccracken We are body & soul integrated beings. The Sacraments are a means to cultivate & nourush the faith in heart over a lifetime. Religion is a means of binding together members of a body, members of a family & souls to God. It must be organized, orderly, consistent & strong. The word Religion shares a common root with Ligament.
Communion on the tongue on the knee with patens is all you need for Eucharistic revival. Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi
@@bethmcmullan7686 What I said is in general, exceptions exist
@@bethmcmullan7686anecdotal fallacy.
@@bethmcmullan7686this has to be exaggeration.
The vast majority of people that kneel to receive communion on the tongue are taking their faith quite seriously.
I agree it's not all you need for revival, and I also grant that people who kneel and receive on the tongue can be lukewarm, but it's such a tiny percentage as to be an anomaly, if you're being fair
Spot on
LR custom is kneeling, unless one has knee or leg issues. I am in that boat. But I do a profound bow before and after receiving.
I do think Communion should be hands Free. Tongue usually. But GIRM does allow spoon or straw. But never seen it in the LR.
These are good ideas.Ultimately I think the way we honor Christ through the Eucharist and have a proper disposition is more on the inside then external.Have every church set up a soup kitchen a pro life center to help desperate mothers.A place to help unwanted immigrants struggling to survive.For me this is what Christ wants,reverence is good but charity is a more important matter in my opinion for proper reception of the Eucharist.
This is wrong and expressly condemned as a proposition of the modernist heresy by St Pope Pius X. Charity for God proceeds all else. True charity for our neighbor comes entirely from a love for God. Our love for our neighbor ought to seek at every opportunity to love God first. Social justice is no different from the pagans and atheists. The virtue of charity is supernatural, and the way to grow in it is to grow in love for God.
I agree.All charity definitely comes from God,everything is from him.I’m just saying if we lack love,no Eucharistic revival is useful.I’m being a little dramatic but the two are tied together.Thanks for the comment.@@NightKnight347
I agree with Dr Martin on the things that we need in devotion to the Eucharist but they are done best in the traditional means. Not a superficial emotionalism that is typical of the Carismatici.
I appreciate listening to the God-given wisdom of Ralph Martin.
Matt, I couldn’t agree more.
“If religion were a thing that money can buy, then the rich would live and the poor would die….” From song, All My Trials.
What causes revival is conviction from the Holy Spirit. We can’t conjure that, we have to pray and fast for that. Sometimes all our trinkets and pageantry get in the way of the terrifying holiness of God, and a lot of people like that - it’s easier than dealing with themselves and surrendering to God’s requirements.
We need to teach people what it really means to have a relationship with Jesus. We all need to repent and convert on a daily basis and root out sin. Follow Jesus qnd live in his Divine Will all the days of your life!
Because every Mass is directed “to God”, the Church does not speak of Mass facing the people as “ad populum” (directed to the people, which would constitute false worship) but rather “versus populum” (turned toward the people, while still directed to God), a technical but important distinction.
- Lawrence T. Persico, JCL. Bishop of Erie, Pennsylvania. January 14, 2022
Benedict XVI, Easter Vigil Homily, March 22, 2008:
In the early Church there was a custom whereby the Bishop or the priest, after the homily, would cry out to the faithful: 'Conversi ad Dominum' - turn now toward the Lord. This meant in the first place that they would turn toward the East, toward the rising sun, the sign of Christ returning, whom we go to meet when we celebrate the Eucharist. Where this was not possible, for some reason, they would at least turn towards the image of Christ in the apse, or towards the Cross, so as to orient themselves inwardly toward the Lord.
Fundamentally, this involved an interior event; "conversion", the turning of our soul toward Jesus Christ and thus toward the living God, toward the true light
That is the biggest cop-out I've ever heard from the modernists. There must be decent pressure in Eire for the bishop to go out of his way to come up with a distinction. Yeah, sure you can say there's a difference and pretend like that difference is real, but it's not. The priest facing the people, addressing them, having them respond to his every action... it is unequivocally "ad" populum. No amount of bulldozing can pave over the metaphysical reality.
@@NightKnight347 the Tabernacle is God's dwelling place on earth (cf. Ex 25:8-9). We gather at His dwelling place on earth, invited by Him to His banquet. Heaven and earth is united during Holy Mass. The priest serving the Mass is God's servant to cater to His children who gather to be with Him. So there's no such thing as 'ad populum' worship. It's our hearts that God sees and seeks. "Lift up your hearts" "We lift them up to the Lord" (The Liturgy of the Eucharist)
Repentance-Conversion-Discipleship!!!!
Receive the Body of Christ on the tongue from the consecrated fingers of the ordained priest kneeling if you are able. That's a Eucharistic Revival.
Yes! Jesus show me who you are❤ I long to know you, the person, my Creator.
It is interesting that, in the Church of England, even in Evangelical, rather than Anglo-Catholic, parishes, it is still usual for those taking communion to kneel at the Altar rail. The Thirty-nine Articles state that the Eucharist is not just a simple commemoration of the Last Supper, but a real participation in the body and blood of Christ. However, the doctrine of transubstantiation is not accepted as an explanation - the real presence is considered to be true, but a mystery with no human explanation. As a result of the reverence surrounding the celebration of the Eucharist in a traditional Anglican Church, many Anglicans have a greater respect for the real presence than many Catholics.
I have wanted the rails forever......"they" told us we could....but when your knees are arthritic.....
Based.
I kindly disagree with the last part of the doctor’s statement. The Eucharist is not about explaining. Coming to know Jesus is not about explaining. It’s about loving and living in love. Loving as God loves. All of the faults of the Church-Religious, priestly, and lay-are summarized in this: we do not love as we ought.
1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. (1 Corinthians 13:1-3 ESV)
We need to explain who we love and why we love him, how else are people going to know that our God is worth loving?
Matt you should get Bas Rutten on your show sometime.He would be an interesting guess that alot of people can relate too.
In addition to altar rails and ad orientem, how about some music that actually sounds sacred, like it was written for worship, and not like some 3rd-rate pop tune? The Catholic Church has a treasure trove of sacred music. Let’s unearth it and put away the happy-clappy pabulum that’s been spooned down our throats for the past 50+ years.
I appreciate this podcast, but I do think Dr Ralph and Matt are both pretty out of touch with what the Eucharistic Revival movement is, what started it, and what amazing fruit we’ve seen in America thus far. Matt, you need to interview Tim Glemkowski. Get the whole story. It’s really amazing!! Just today I found out about a young man who was not practicing and felt a sudden draw towards his local church which happened to be having Mass as a part of the National Eucharistic Pilgrimage. He left everything behind on the spot, and is now living in his car to travel with Jesus in the largest eucharistic procession the world has ever seen. And it’s marking our nation in the shape of a cross. A huge benediction! This young man will be on the road for the next 2mo trying to “figure out this whole faith thing.” He’s not the first story I’ve heard, but definitely the most recent. Please pray for him and for everyone else who will be touched by Jesus through the Pilgrimage and other beautiful things coming out of the Eucharistic Revival!
Lex orandi, lex credendi. The law of prayer is the law of belief. This was well understood by our forefathers. Read about the Protestant Reformers, and how they sought to lead Catholics away from the propitiatory nature of the mass, the real presence, the role of the priesthood, etc. through introducing changes to the mass (standing, reception of the Eucharist in the hand, lay participation). It’s not a coincidence that after the council the creator of the NO, who said “we must strip from the Catholic liturgy everything that could be a shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren, the Protestants”, encouraged these practices.
The ACTIONS of priests and what they allow speak louder than words. They rush through Mass, choose the fastest Eucharistic Prayer, then an army of "Eucharistic Ministers" come forward in often inappropriate clothing to distribute Holy Communion. If you know you will be distributing Holy Communion, is it really so hard to dress nicely like you would if visiting the King of England? How about a shirt without pictures and advertisements? Wearing sports shirts and skin tight jeans is just very telling about the "commonality" the Eucharist has become. It speaks volumes to me. And taking the time to pray the Roman Canon isn't THAT hard is it? Really? If it is, cut down on the 5 verses of songs the "band" plays to make time.
Can someone explain why any Mass should be facing the people? Even if its reverently celebrated, its still communicating the wrong message. Sorry Ralph, but we're going to have have a position about these things. If we don't have a theologically sound reason why we're doing something in the Mass, then we have to address those issues first. Communion in the hand... why are we doing that? If people are reverant at a novus ordo Mass... they look out of place. That's the issue. The whole thing in incentivises a casual, informal atmosphere.
The Eucharist (Mass)has its roots in a creative combination of the Jewish Passover meal ritual (at which Jesus presided facing his disciples), especially as Jesus interpreted it at the Last Supper in view of his forthcoming saving passion, death, and resurrection) and the Jewish temple/synagogue prayer service I where Jews heard the proclaimed word of Scripture and sang the psalms). It is a sacramental celebration of God's mercy and goodness, done in memory of Jesus in the power of the Holy Spirit, in which the gifts of bread and wine, which we have received from God's bounty, and which we offer, along with our lives, are transformed into the living Sacrament of Christ's body and blood, that we might consume them, thus becoming more deeply "one body, one spirit in Christ"(Eucharistic Prayer III). How we "take and eat" in observance of Christ's command has evolved over time. The earliest Christians broke and distributed real loaves of bread in their homes; there is no evidence this was done "ad orientum", and the presbyter or bishop who presided at the Eucharist faced the congregation. As for the manner of receiving Jesus' gift of his glorified Body and Blood, tradition includes the practice of both receiving in the hand or on the tongue. St Cyril of Jerusalem in 348 gave this instruction to his congregation: “When you approach Holy Communion, make the left hand into a throne for the right, which will receive the King. With your hand hollowed, receive the Body of Christ and answer ‘Amen’. (Catechetical Lecture 23). I've always found helpful the Church's description of the various modes of Christ's presence in the Mass: 1) in the priest celebrant acting in the person of Christ; 2) in the assembly of the faithful, who are one in Christ by baptism; 3) in the proclaimed Word of God, especially the Gospels and 4) in a special way in the Eucharistic species (the Sacrament of the body and blood, soul and divinity of Christ).
No, nobody will be able to give you a good explanation.
The entire reason it was changed from ad orientem to facing the people was because of the self-centeredness of the silent and "greatest" generetion. I once came across an article printed in an apostolate's journal in 1963 in which the author had the audacity to declare "we *deserve* a Mass in our own tongue in which we can participate".
Can you imagine the presumptiveness in saying we deserve anything at Mass?
And those radicals that pushed and pushed to change the Mass have propagandists the following generations so that their talking points have survived over the decades.
I believe the attitude is dying out because of how hollow it is, though. Reverence for the Almighty Creator of the universe will win the day.
I recall all the changes being forced on my parish when I was a child in the 1970s, and I remember being told that the priest facing the people was because the Mass is a memorial of the Last Supper, so it is a communal meal around a table (it was not represented as a sacrifice by a priest at an altar). We were supposed to think of the Mass as a sort of group dinner, with the priest as the host, passing out the food, and everyone gathered around 'the table of the Lord' at 'the Lord's Supper.' I know priests today in Poland (where they were much better taught in seminaries and for the most part read the black and do the red) who still insist that if you have a youth mass, all the kids should be standing around the altar the whole time until it's time to kneel or sit on the floor, so that they feel like they are participating in a 'group meal.' When I ask how it is creating reverence for the Eucharist and an understanding of the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the replies I get are, 'They really like it,' and 'It helps them participate' (in WHAT? What do they think they are participating IN?), but really boils down to the priest 'liking' that kind of thing: it's always the very 'I Love People' priest who wants to get away from the altar and glad-hand the congregation like he's running for office, or joke with people or have people 'participate' in novel ways - I think because a lot of them just like being the focus of fun, being the 'cool priest' and the 'fun priest.'
In my religious education, they focused on the 'passover' MEAL aspect and did away with the idea of a Paschal SACRIFICE in which Christ is both priest and victim. I look back now and see very clearly that they were systematically chipping away at belief in the Real Presence and teaching us these 'new ways' 'in the spirit of Vatican II' in religion classes during my 12 years of Catholic school. All I remember is making collages about 'community' while being forced to listen to LPs of either Jesus Christ Superstar or Godspell (I can still remember the mockery we made of the verses of the songs we were forced to sing from those albums). We also had experiences of the altar bread being a home-made, risen loaf of whole-wheat bread (closer to what Jesus would have eaten - they said) and the Mass vessels being UGLY hand-thrown (and dropped?) brown earthenware (because Jesus didn't have a gold cup at the Last Supper). I can see how many of these practices were influenced by Liberation Theology and the stress on Jesus being poor, so everything needed to look poor and crummy (like the poor had no appreciation of the beauty of the Temple?) and the priest needed to have shaggy hair and not wear a collar and have love-beads dangling in his chest hair, and be called 'Bob' ('because I'm just like any other man'). I am not surprised that pretty much everyone I know from my Catholic school years is no longer practicing the faith - including all my older siblings, even the ones who had a foundation in the 1950s. The anti-Eucharistic reformers of the 1960s reallly did their jobs well, and we got the clear message: If the Mass and the priesthood and religion were just cheesy versions of popular culture, to hell with it all. (I mean, as a kid, going from curtseying beside our desks and chanting, 'Good MORNING MonSIGNOR McGinty!' to 'Just call me Bob, or if you have to, you can call me Fr Bob, because I want you to know I'm just an ordinary guy...' we were looking at each other like, 'Who is this creep who wants to hang out with kids? EVERY adult was called 'Mr Surname' or 'Mrs Surname' - never by first names - and priests were now telling kids to call them by their first names? The result was we never called them ANYTHING, avoided them, found them creepy and weird. And most dropped out of the faith.) Reverence matters - for priests and religious, for God, for the Eucharist, for mystery... Reverence was wiped out in the late 1960s and the 1970s.
@@FigaroHey good observations.
The 70s and 80s were a bad time in the church ☹️
It's slowly getting better but the movements of those decades were so destructive
I could not agree with you more Matt
I'd you don't treat the Eucharist as sacred. You will never have a revival. People need to kneel and receive only on the tongue. The priests need to face the tabernacle. The Eucharist is not the symbolic cookie. It is the BODY, BLOOD, SOUL AND DIVINITY OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. I will die on that hill. The most blessed sacrament is too precious to be so profaned!!!
Eucharistic Revival fails if we don't go back to traditional practices. The TLM was vertical, God oriented. NO is horizontal and man-oriented. Standing, in the hand, democratized reception of the Eucharist. God is not our equal. Every knee should bow in adoration.
Worthy reception needs to be explained.
I completely disagree with Ralph Martin. If our bodies reflect the appropriate posture for receiving the King of Kings, then the heart and mind will begin to change and direct itself to the awesomeness of God in the Eucharist.
Yes! As spiritual *and* corporeal beings, what we do on the outside should reflect how we feel on the inside.......and if it's not matching up currently, "fake it till you make it", not "backslide into banal casualty so everything just gets worse"
I've seen good, holy Novus Ordo Masses versus populum. I do agree with the kneeling. A good number of churches in my area either don't have kneelers or the people (typically boomers) don't use the kneelers.
The problem is that lack of respect. A pastor I know is very much a product of his time (words I got from someone else with the effect of a southerner going 'bless your heart') and is more focused on "the body of Christ" as a community rather than the gravity of the sacrifice happening at the Mass and the responsibility of the laity to prepare themselves accordingly.
i still don't understand what the Eucharistic revival is... like what is actually being done? like yeah i'd imagine it's the revival on believing Christ is actually present in the Eucharist, but i mean, what is really being done? cuz all i've heard is the name, and haven't seen any actual efforts. is this just happening in the US and that's why i'm confused? I don't see any sign of this in Canada, and simply just hear the term "Eucharistic revival" online. is there an actual program, or are people simply just talking about reviving the Eucharist in online platforms?
It's just in the United States, conferences, Eucharistic Adoration and a lot of Eucharistic Processions are going on right now.
There's going to be some huge Eucharistic processions from the four corners of the country meeting up in Indiana for a huge mass and conference.
You need an outpouring of the Holy Spirit awaking . God has to move… not man
Repentance🙏✝️🇨🇦
Thankfully, God is moving through this revival movement! Just today a young man decided to leave his whole life behind and follow Jesus on the road for 2mo, living out of his car to get closer to the Eucharist. He wasn’t even a practicing Catholic. And that’s just one person today.
Yes to altar rails and ad orientum!
We definitely need altar rails and put the altar back where it was. 100%
Aaaaaamen Ralph, Amen! 🙏🏽❤️🙌🏽
I agree with Martin. Nothing is wrong with how Mass and communion is currently done, it the teaching of the Church has not reach the ppl, and consequently they did not yet get to encounter Our Lord. Because nobody that has encountered the Lord will ever approach the Eucharist irreverently regardless weather the Priest is facing ad orientum or there are kneeling rails.
A person who hates Jesus but still comes to a Mass and receives kneeling and on the tongue, is recieving the Eaucharist reverently. A person who loves Jesus with all thier heart, mind and strength and receives standing up and in the hand, is receiving irreverently. In both cases the action does not reflect the interior reality. It's not about anyone's personal interior relationship with Christ. It's about the action of the Mass and what is proper to it. Kneeling is an act of reverence. Standing is not. When you talk to someone, you turn to face them to show your attention and respect. When you turn your back on them, it's an act of disrespect. The priest is not facing the people to talk to them, he's the son, facing the Father. Offering Himself as a sacrifice to the Father for those who looked upon Him on the cross.
Read Fr. Mawdsley's book Crucifixion to Creation it might help shed some light on the topics here.
As to “ad orientem” it is worth noting that, before Vatican II, in side chapels at the back of larger basilicas, the Priest would face the congregation over the Altar, since the only canonical requirement was that the Priest should face East. This arrangement then became normal after Vatican II - that is to say, the Priest facing the congregation with the Altar between them. It was not a new arrangement. However, in most cases, the canonical requirement for the Priest to face East was not then possible, so this requirement was removed. The Tabernacle and the rear Altar still continued to face East, of course. There never was any canonical requirement for the Priest and congregation to face in the same direction.
What's your point? This doesn't address what Matt pointed out: ad orientem reminds people why they are at Church in the first place.
@@bumponalog5001 The congregation still continue to face to the East and the High Altar and Tabernacle are still situated at the Eastern end of the Church. Surely that is sufficient to remind the congregation that a Catholic Church is a type of the Temple at Jerusalem, with the Tabernacle placed where the Ark of the Covenant was placed in the Temple? While the Ark of the Covenant contained mana (“bread from Heaven”) the Tabernacle contains the true “bread from Heaven”. The Sanctuary Light represents the “eternal flame” burning in the Temple. There is more than enough in a Catholic Church to remind the congregation why they are there.
Where are these chapels in larger basilicas? Because I've lived in Europe for 34 of my 62 years and have NEVER seen a side chapel with an altar that was NOT fixed to the wall, so the priest was facing east along with the congregation facing east. And how did the priest face east in your scenario? For the priest to be facing east looking across the altar at a congregation in a chapel, the people would have to be sitting with their backs to the east - facing away from the main altar and tabernacle, which is bizarre and something I have never seen anywhere in the world I've visited Catholic churches or attended (daily) Mass. I need some proof that the altars in chapels were A) not fixed to the wall; and B), arranged in the chapel so the priest was facing east and the congregation was facing him - thus facing west, backs to the main altar and tabernacle. Never, ever seen it on three continents and too many European countries/cathedrals/basilicas to recall.
I'm all in favor of communion rails and ad orientem, but won't it just drive one more wedge between liberal and conservative orientations? Then you find yourself back at the question of whether to preach the truth and let those who reject it go their own way (as Jesus did with the rich young man , or John 6:60-66), or not to force them into accepting something that they are not ready for as per a 1 Corinthians 3:2 approach.
Bring back the altar rails! I agree 100%. I dont follow Dr Martin due to his wishy washy attitude toward Tradition. Why are these people so opposed to kneeling for Communion? The charismatic movement is a joke in my opinion. Its so effeminate.
I am charismatic. When I was filled with the Holy Spirit, I wanted nothing more to be with Jesus. I wanted to kneel to receive communion. Church wasn't set up to do that. The older people in the church ripped them out and removed the statues. Luckily, we had a priest who found the statues bought them back into the church. He would genuflick every time he went past the tabernacle. He was a very holy man. He taught the alter servers to do the same. Would never be alone with a woman or child.
Really badly placed commercial.
Ralph is right without proper catechesis and a personal relationship with Jesus the reception of communion would be unworthy, sacrilegious and harmful for the soul & The Church.
Eucharist revival will occur when the TLM is restored. NO is the problem. It's not designed to give worship to God.
Can someone explain to me what altar rails are? I don’t think I’ve ever had a church with one, even growing up in the 80s/90s. I was taught about the Real Presence, and to kneel or bow to the altar after receiving it. Is that the same as the altar rails? And how about ad orientum? Is that just facing the Eucharist a certain way. Because I do believe in the Real Presence and that it deserves a certain level of reverence. I just don’t quite understand what they’re meaning in this discussion. 🤔
@@bethmcmullan7686 Thank you very much. That helps to really understand the topic.
@@jacfalle27And in some Churches, especially in the Ordinariate Form, or have an English Character, or there will be a see through "grill" or "fence"in combo with the rail. It is called a rood screen.
A rood type screen is also used to separate the chior of enclosed nuns from the sanctuary or nave.
Decolores!
Ralph Martin is a confused individual who doesn't deserve a platform or audience.
I agree with you Matt on alter rails and ad orientum... but you can talk to many others about these matters.
Confused Ralph isn't doing the masses justice.
@kragar4 he's confused about the recent happenings with the magesterium... and leading others into this confusion. He's insinuating that Pope Francis is leaving room for there to be no repentance in order to be baptized or partake in the Sacraments. He's insinuating all sorts of incoherent ideas which PF has not endorsed.
@kragar4 then you and the majority (like Ralph) are reading the Pope like a Protestant reads the book of Romans (out of context).
A couple of chapters ago the Pope says very clearly "you can't bless homosexual unions, you can't bless sin" and somehow Ralph forgets this when confronted with a different revelation like baptizing those who had lived transgender lives. Here's Pope Francis's Homily regarding how to Truly receive salvation through Jesus Christ: spoiler alert, it is through True Repentance of one's sins & I can think of dozens of instances where he has repeated this. So what exactly are you confused about?
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He agreed that altar rails & ad orientem are good things and foster holiness & reverence.
@@corilv13honey9 yes... I'm speaking of Ralph's confusion found in the rest of the interview elsewhere.
All NO did was drop the floor out for expectations. Sure you can have a beautiful and reverent NO mass, but it’s nothing but a product of the 60’s cultural revolution
The is no way reverence for Christ present body soul and divinity in the Eucharist can be restored using the new Mass as it is in the majority of parishes! It's saying you want to do one thing while the actions promote the opposite. The new Mass with its concocted Eucharistic prayers and orientation isn't based on continuity and God focused. Even Buddhists and Moslems...pagan face towards what they worship ir revere..
Not themselves. This whole schizophrenic thing of saying one thing and doing another is typical of the Church now!