That is the exact opposite of the somewhat obvious truth and I can't tell if you've been blinded or if you are joking (Sorry this was a bit mean;) To explain, the way the show is going and the way the show is, being an anime for a game series that is set in a different region with different characters for each new game generation, it wouldn't be the smartest move exactly to keep the same three or two of the same main characters throughout the entire series, which was definitely going to be long from where they saw. To have the main character travel through every new region to promote the new games coming out. But of course they would want to showcase the new characters, or to have new ones with new, different Pokemon, the core of the series, other than keeping all of the same characters for the whole show. But if they changed the main character a lot, the show could become inconsistent. So they change the human companions as well as the Pokemon companions. Showing kids the new characters from the new games, and the new Pokemon, making them main characters and lovable and iconic so that the kids will want to buy the new games. The same argument could be said for like, any of Ash's old Pokemon. Almost any of them. They were left with professor Oak. It feels like less of a spit in the face, but still. Be glad as a fan of Misty, you got more of her than some other characters. :)
cr102, I'm glad to see somebody talking about what you called the nostalgia bias. I personally wouldn't call THIS that, but everybody has different perspectives (and preferences.) Someone's past with something and enjoyment with something can change the way they remember it. It can change their preferences, and make them who they are. That's why we have likes and dislikes, not the only reason but it shapes who we are. Like how I never would appreciate Squirtle and it's line if I didn't end up getting a shiny one as my second starter in X. And I understand this. But I see people throwing trash at the newer games and giving glory to the pixely ones for this reason, and it just isn't right. I've seen a video talking about how "Pokemon lost it's spark", and that simply isn't true. Obviously it's different now, but different doesn't mean bad. Sometimes these people don't even play the newer games, or watch the newer anime, and yet they hate on it or dislike it. How do you know if something's good or bad if you don't try it? What if you played the 3D games and now have nostalgia for THEM? Or would you still be, biased, towards the old ones? Nostalgia bias. Minorly rude but accurate.
Misty was a much appreciated female supporting character growing up. She's spunky, ambitious, annoying, sarcastic, gets flustered etc etc. Just a lovely character with both strengths and flaws. She got angry and defensive really quickly but was also incredibly forgiving and kind. It's wonderful to see characters to be written beyond archetypes. Really just such a fun character to connect with
I think Misty is a well written character because she is not a "support-character" but she has her story. When i was a kid i didn't fully catch the Ash-Misty relationship, and i was more oriented in catch 'em all (like Ash), but now i see their relationship very childish and very funny. It's the gold standard for real life relationships! ...and i grief for the last episode "Here your bike, bye". Damn you writers!
I get the feeling that later writers didn't like Misty's initial tomboy attitude and felt it was something she needed to mature out of. Like they needed to make her more overly feminine and demure for her character to "grow up". It all starts with Togepi and just goes on from there, she becomes a less active character and overall just becomes less aggressive and vocal.
It was marketing and is still marketing.....Pokemon anime's main objective is to promote the franchisee and whenever new Nintendo game comes out, Pokemon anime have to make changes to bring in materials from the new product to market awareness....The creators have very little to say when it comes to directions....Its the products producers who give them direction and they have to work on it... This is how Japanese Animation industry works when it comes to animes that tied to products like Super Robots, Real Robots Gundam.....etc.
Good because it’s down right annoying whenever she WAS aggressive. The “tsundere” act gets very old very quickly. She can be vocal and have a presence without being a bitch about things. However because she’s been in it from kanto to johto there’s only so much tolerance a person can have
BTW, can we talk for a second how iconic Misty's outfit is? She looks both girly and tomboyish, is unapologetically 90s and goes hand in hamd with her personality since is practical, youthful, shows confidence and looks like she's all about summer and going to the beach.
Exactly, plus togepi blossoms the feminine and girly side to her being the material trainer to togepi, honestly it's such a missed opportunity for misty to not keep togetic, because togetic would be a unique and third ace member of her pokemon team being normal and fairy type. Also that her other aces were gyrados and psyduck. Which if you remember she likes jigglypuff too who is also normal and fairy, so give hint misty might like fairy and maybe normal types as well. I wish pokemon gave us more episodes to show misty catching more pokemon that aren't water types, because all know she loves water pokemon, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have love to other types lessl. She only hates bug types because she is terrified of bugs which is understanding.
There's a scene from the banned episode (The one where James sports fake breasts) where Misty wears a bikini and having Ash and Brock totally dumbfounded by her appearance. Annoyed, she asks them what their problem is. And Ash quips. "This is the first time you actually LOOK like a girl!"
The only story related issues I have ever been bothered about ever while watching this series is just the fact that Ash seems to forget his entire expereience as a trainer at the start of every new season. It's such a immersion break. I get that they want to introduce the basics to new viewers. But why the heck is not Ash the teacher for some rookies? That would have made so much more sense...
Agreed. So naturally I quit watching the Pokemon anime after Black and White. Since I realized at that point, the writers clearly didn't care. Hopefully they do better with Liko and Roy, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Does he actually though? Obviously he does in BW, no question of that. But as for the other series I really don't see it. He has a few dumbass moments at the start of advanced generation, but it's really just a small few select moments, and they stop doing them very early on. Its not like Ash wasn't already prone to moments of dumbassery in kanto, orange islands and Johto. Sinnoh Ash always felt like an experienced trainer who knew what he was doing, same for XY and onwards. I feel like BW has caused sort of a Mandela effect where people think the problems with BW were present in every other series when they weren't. Like the whole thing people say about Ash never aging? That was not a thing until BW. previous series made multiple references to time passing, one particular special set around the 3rd movie was a celebration of it being a whole year since Ash met pikachu. It's only in BW that Ash is suddenly 10 again, but now people act as if Ash has just never been aging the whole time instead of the truth that its just a weird retcon that BW introduced.
No matter who comes and leaves Misty is a whole different character. As long as I know every female character has their beginning with their family and friends but Misty was alone. I am a Misty fan and will always be. The trio of Ash Misty and Brook will always be my favorite. Only female character so far that I love and that is Misty.
She Was Only Supposed To Be A Eye Candy To Draw Attention But She Became Way More Than That She Ended Up Known As "The Tomboyish Mermaid"And MuchMore Than A EyeCandy I Really Love Other Pokegirls But Misty Has A Different Place In My Heart.
That’s kind of a mean-spirited way to look at it. A lot of the people saying “true” to this probably haven’t even seen many of the other series outside of the original. I grew up with the original series, and there was still a lot to like with the writing in the Sinnoh, Kalos, and Alola seasons for me. Every series has had its ups and downs.
I don't think Misty was ruined as a character, I just think they have not done her justice. There's been no satisfying ending to complete her story. Maybe because the writers want to leave her available in case Ash ever "grows up". 🙄 I've been a PokeShipper since the beginning. I think I cried when they sent Misty back to Cerulean city after Johto. I tried to watch the Hoenn episodes, but when they changed production companies and the 4Kids voice actors were switched to the new Pokemon company voice actors, I stopped following the show entirely. Thanks for showing what happened since then. Maybe someday, every PokeShipper will get the ending we've been waiting for. But I'm not holding my breath.
I think the main issue for me is that there wasn't a reason for Misty to get involved in the first place. I would've liked Ash to acknowledge that he needs her expertise as a gym leader for whatever battle it is and then put her growth at the center of it and show why Ash trusted Misty to be the only person who could help. Maybe it's something specifically related to her immense knowledge of water pokemon or something.
I remember the Mirage episode, even though Misty wasn’t my favourite character, (her short temper and angry tantrums got on my nerves at times), I was excited to see her come back and interact with Ash and Brock again. But then the way the episode immediately jumped to Togepi getting kidnapped and then introducing this princess character I was like ‘Wait….. I thought this episode was gonna be focused on Misty? Who’s this princess?’ Also, Togepi was treated like a baby for so long that it was pretty jarring when it evolved and Misty set it free to protect the other Togepi.
Me too. She wasn't my favorite character for the same reason, because she was quick-tempered and angry tantrums also annoyed me (I can't stand people like that with that kind of character either. I've often had to deal with people like that in the past and I don't get along with them ). I thought that Misty was very superficial and the way she treated Psyduck, I always felt sorry for him. I'm also glad that I'm not the only one who found the episode with this strange Togepi kingdom... well... how can I put it nicely, it was very confusing. 😅
She wasn’t my favorite (didn’t really have a fav. Loved the group in general such is way I don’t see the others the same way) but I still appreciated her character she was more “unique” that made her more Iconic to me. Won’t forget her.
While Misty is a controversial character and not so liked anymore I think what I disliked about her later appearances was her lack of tomboyish streak and temper. Yeah I actually liked Misty's temper, namely what it was formed from. Because she herself was a rookie like Ash when she started and growing up compared lesser to others will cause some amount of anger, it was a defense mechanism, hence why she would get angry whenever her vanity or skill was questioned. As someone who also struggles with inferiority this is actually relatable. Don't get me wrong the show could've done it much better at times, because they didn't always portray it the best. But I think it separates her from the other females because you don't have to be nice to be a good person, the main issue was the writers not using her temper in a compelling way, or hinting at her insecurities, just never going through with it. I disliked how after Johto she just defaulted to the same overly soften spoken disposition as the other females. Because I always found her flaws made her stick out compared to the others even if the writing didn't always do her justice. Even though she isn't my favorite female character I do miss when she was allowed to show more sides to her that wasn't just overly bubbly or soft spoken. It's also why I liked when May got arrogant after some time, but then grew from that.
You got a point there. I remember how excited I was seeing Misty again in the Togetik episode, but I don't have much memory of Misty in that episode. Same with the Mirage Island special.
I wouldn't say she was "ruined" so much as "wasted" The Hoenn episodes featuring her return had way too much stuff going on that took the focus away from her, so I think things might've gone better if the episode had been about them meeting up, interacting and reminiscing and stuff, and not...all of that of that other stuff, which could've been made into its own separate episode instead, especially with how Misty got to have a better return in Sun and Moon that helped show off her character a lot better than her episodes in Hoenn which weren't about her but other stuff going on during her return, which again took the focus away from her and made it so she couldn't do or show as much as she could've Just my take on this, from what all I've heard in this video
She still got more than Amy Rose in any media, including comics, where it's iether fans freaking out about her liking Sonic, because appearently they still operate under girls having cooties mentality, with it being kryptonite for cool guys like sonic, and not realising decreasing her crush and giving her seporate things, and more independance doesn't make her Less, but in fact, More disposable!
Misty had so much wasted potential, it actually pisses me off lol they could have done so much!! Imagine if she would have kept all her Pokémon & trained/evolved them! By the end of Johto she could have had Starmie, Politoed, Kingdra, Corsola, Seaking, & Psyduck(they wouldn’t ever evolve her Psyduck) Or they could have had her catch more Pokémon, like Tentacruel since she’s mentioned how much she likes it or even a Gyarados during her travels with Ash instead of after. But no, they just made her a babysitter/cheerleader instead.
how they handled her relationship with psyduck was the worst. there was never any growth there,at least not when she was still with ash. she was abusive and hateful towards it constantly for little to no reason,never gets rebuked for it or suffers reprocussions for this.....not only does this stunt her as a character. but i honestly think it sets a very irresponsible moral example.
@HMM That was all off screen. It would have been nice to actually see improvement in their relationship when they were with Ash. Jessie had a better relationship with Wobuffett. At least the audience actually saw her grow to care about him ON-SCREEN
I haven't watched these Pokémon episodes in awhile but I think that misty leaving togetic to defend togepie is like ash leaving his newly evolved pidgeot to defend pidgy before leaving kanto for another adventure. It's like George Lucas said: "its like poetry, it rhymes"
As far as I know, what ruined Misty's character was the massive and unexpected popularity of the Pokemon franchise. I think it was covered by Did You Know Gaming? in their Lugia episode, that the Mewtwo movie was supposed to be the finale for the series and that they planned for Ash and Misty to have a daughter at the end of the movie. Even in the Lugia movie you can clearly see that she had very strong feelings for Ash. But the anime became super popular worldwide, so the franchise owners decided to switch gears and make it as long as possible. They decided that Ash should remain, but Misty had to go in order to bring representation for the new region's characters (particularly the then obligatory female travel companion). Thanks for covering the other episodes though! I missed a lot of gen3 to 5 anime episodes.
Remember Ash has gone through Misty, May, Dawn, Iris, Mallow, Serena, and now Chloe and he is still only 10 years old. He’s gone through 7 main characters and Misty had 3 seasons with Ash. Kanto, Johto, and the Orange Islands. And he is still only 10.
I’ve heard one of the directors or writers didn’t like her, not sure if that was true..but either way, she was “ruined” once the creators stopped caring about her. The anime doubled down as promotional material for the games and series rather than about continuing the story it had established thus far. The parting of the 3 main characters signifies to me the end of the original creative show and the beginning of the more promotional focused show. It’s why Ash can keep resetting every new series..it isn’t fully the same show anymore and neither are the characters.
To be fair, Diamond and Pearl went back to the creative side with Dawn. The reason why Dawn's victory against May in the Wallace Cup was so cathartic is because Dawn didn't have any plot armour. She had to fight her way up without the writers giving her the special treatment that they usually give to main characters, which was emphasised when she failed in the appeal round of 2 contests in a row. During May's time on the show, it was unthinkable for her to fail in the appeal round of a single contest, never mind 2 in a row, and this was despite the fact that some of her performances, like Skitty botching Blizzard and having to resort to juggling, were arguably weaker than the performances that Dawn failed to win the judges over with. Dawn had to prove herself through sheer determination to get better, so she 100% earned her victory against May whereas May frequently relied on plot armour. That's why Dawn is Ash's most well written companion, with only Lillie coming close due to how well the Sun and Moon writers handled her PTSD. Speaking of Lillie, she's another display of the writers taking risks and this time, they were tackling something much more mature than mere failure. And this happened during the Sun and Moon series, which everybody assumed would be childish crap because of the art style. However, the writers tackled a severe psychological condition and managed to pull it off. Lillie's recovery included at least one major relapse when a repressed memory of Silvally, whom she mistakenly believed had attacked her, rendered her unable to touch any Pokemon, including Snowy, even after all the progress she'd made. Honestly, if Lillie had a better English voice actress than Laurie Hymes, she'd be on Dawn's level in terms of character, perhaps even higher. That kind of character arc needs a voice actress who has an undercurrent of fear during any Pokemon interactions and can give a hint of tragedy to the more comedic moments of Lillie freaking out, so that people actually feel bad for laughing at her. It would help to show that, although it's often framed in a comedic manner due to this still being a children's show at heart, Lillie's fear of Pokemon isn't because she's a wimp. It's because of PTSD, a very serious psychological condition that some people have killed themselves to escape from. Unfortunately, Laurie Hymes' voice was too grating so it's better to listen to the Japanese version. Getting back to Diamond and Pearl, Paul is also a display of that series' creative streak because although he was heavily based on Silver, he's still unique within the context of the anime. He challenged Ash in ways that no other rival could and even during his one episode return in Journeys, he was still doing so despite having mellowed significantly since we last saw him. Even Gary was just an obstacle for Ash to overcome. Paul actually challenged Ash intellectually and emotionally due to their drastically different training styles. Plus Diamond and Pearl introduced one of the series' most underrated villains. Pokemon Hunter J. I wish they'd brought her back for the Latios and Latias episode in Journey's because we don't know for sure that she died and the hunter who was actually in that episode used her gimmicks of riding a pseudo-legendary and turning Pokemon into stone.
Togetic’s departure is one of the most heartwarming farewells ever Misty departing with togetic isn’t that different from ash’s departure with many of his Pokémon
I disagree. That's the reason I lost my love for the anime all those years ago. I still hate writers for getting rid of Togepi who suck an iconic character in the original series. I wish they never did that.
I loved watching Pokémon episodes with Misty. She was my favorite. Once I finished watching the Master Quest and onto the advanced, I stopped watching it.
Johto arc's episode length was plenty of time to do more with Misty and Brock along with use new villains. Misty and Brock could have caught more Pokémon to add to their teams and had their own goodbye to older Pokémon. They could have had Misty catch some the water Pokémon from Johto made some female friends or had her own rival such as the kid who liked fire types.
Nah I don't think Misty was ever ruined. If anything, people are trying to ruin her with the introduction of Serena, who doesn't deserve Ash BTW. Side note, you were saying Togetic's name wrong.
well, i think misty was and still is the most perfect character in the whole show, she had a personality and goals way before meeting Ash which means her development didn't depend on him but on the experience she got from that journey. Having said that, i think her character was evolving beatifully during the original series, her evolution was so good that possibly could have helped other characters to evolve as well like Ash for example, the feelings she had for him were growing strong.. too strong to be ignorared even by Ash. But like the show was only for kids, and the company wanted to sell videogames they took away the only character who could have risked the "ash never aged" thing. Actually at this point of the series as an OG fan i would rather watch a series about Misty and her work as a gymleader than Ash and his never ending journey. C'mon Misty alone was able to reconstruct her whole gym, which implies that she knows about desing, knows how to use the money very well, knows about marketing, etc... actually now tha i think about it, it was her feelings for Ash what was holding back all of her potential, she liked him and she didn't want to leave him but once she was forced to do it she became her true self, that's why Misty's character doesn't seem to fit in the new series, because she is now so much more that only catching pokemon and traveling the world. So if for some unexpected reason she comes back as a regular character the whole storyline would have to change, giving us much more mature personalities in every character and much more mature stories. so, i don't think Misty was ruined, i think the show is ruined because now it can not handle a character so complex and well created like her.
I’m still sad that they split up 😢 As a kid I thought that misty and Brock would stay with ash in his journey but they didn’t 😭. I stopped watching after that.
Misty is by far my favorite character in this show. Besides the fact that I’ve had a crush on her since I was like 10, 11 lol her character development was handled really well.
I've always hated Misty. As a kid I couldn't stand her behaviour and I will never forget how much she mistreated Psyduck in some episodes, so I was happy when May came as a companion. After all these years I don't hate Misty anymore but she is one of my least favourite female companions!
Nah, he made a good point. I like my characters having, well, _character_ to them. Misty simply being present really only would've worked the first time she returned since she still had her original 4Kids voice actor too. Well the subsequent appearances further deject her with writing and an unfamiliar voice.
Click bait title, I fail to see how any of that "ruined" Misty. It didn't undo any of Misty's prior growth, it didn't drastically change her character, just feels like your expectations were set way too high.
I actually think Misty became more interesting as a character after she left Ash. As an adult watching the first two series of pokemon, I was really disappointed in how they used Misty. Misty is supposed to be a gym leader, one of only 8 people in an entire region to have that position, she should be a top tier, if at least a competent trainer, only for the show to never have her battle outside of flicking team rocket away. I know they probably didn't want to take away the attention on Ash becoming a strong trainer, but Misty more or less just became the tom boyish friend that makes sassy comments and sometimes battles. After leaving Ash, she finally became what she was meant to be, an independent intimidating gym leader that was strong enough to train a mega gyrados. While I do think the anime didn't know how to use her besides an easter egg after she left Johto, I find Misty to be much more interesting when she does appear, especially recently with the end of Ash's journey.
I mean, character growth coming at the cost of writing not explaining why she was a good personality in the first place doesn't feel like a good trade-off.
I feel like saying that misy was RUINED is kind of a stretch. She's still an amazing character, just a huge part about her that we knew for so long had moved on. The Pokemon characters DO grow and develop over time and you may not like that personally, but that doesn't inherently make them ruined. Misty takes on duties as a gym leader, Brock becomes a Pokemon doctor, etc. It's kind of a fact of life, that as time passes people gain new responsibilities and so they put those first.
I don't really take issue with this particular arc, honestly. It *was* closure for Misty's arc with Togepi, in that we saw Togepi evolve out of needing Misty as a caretaker and Misty let it go so it could be a caretaker itself. While I think the Mirage Kingdom is a bit goofy, Hanson isn't a bad villain, and the arc showcases a couple of Pokemon I quite like, Ninjask and Shedinja, with the later being a formidable opponent even if the anime didn't really understand how Wonder Guard works. Misty does also show up during the first half of the Battle Frontier arc prior to TPI taking over the dub; she just kind of does her thing with the party and then goes on her way again. It didn't really feel final any more, as if the writers understood they'd be bringing her back again, which they did.
Your right there should be an episode of her reunited with her togetic probably now a togekiss which is a Pokemon that we could find in the galar region. And I would like to see misty again as a character.
I think it was fine she was a side character during those episodes. If you think about it from their world perspective, misty just wanted to be there to support her pals, she had her own stuff going on and that wasnt the main focus of those episodes.
Maybe but from an IRL standpoint they only had her reappear as an attempt at fan service... If they actually cared she would have been more of a focus instead of simply being a side character. Because as he said in the video, bringing back one of the OG cast is supposed to be a big deal, yet she was mostly there just because she had a Togepi and the episode was about Togepi and Togetic.
Misty Was The most Romantic pokegirl ever. she was powerful and independent and her attitude was the only one Awesome. 💞 And behind her Rude face Lies A Strong True Love for Ash.😍💖💞💘 He May have stopped Misty and then there love story should continue 🥲😍 In Reality Misty Loves Ash more than Any pokegirl after traveling with him for 5 seasons ❤❤❤ I still remember that scene when misty cried in "gotta catch ya" episode 🥺🥺😢
IKR Misty just gets hate for no reason And since Serena's popularity is growing a lot Pokemon company would do much better things to Serena than Misty This is what I absolutely hate If in the end ash did end up with someone I am scared Pokemon company would chose Serena to satisfy fanbase 🥲
@@Drip_Giyu I don't think this is true. Misty has a huge fanbase, and as an OG character, she won't be forgotten. Serena is nice and all, but I see nothing we didn't already see in May, other than the fact she clearly crushes on Ash. But I mean, honestly what kept Pokeshippers on their toes was the subtlelty when it came down to Misty's feelings.
@@Drip_Giyu Im even more scared now. since ash's journey is officially ending and idk what they will do to him maybe he grows up and marries someone? and seeing all the love to serena im afraid ash is gonna end up w her. misty's feelings were well showcased in the song in the episode gotta catch ya later and i remember crying so much. she was and she will be the bestest pokegirl ever for me. serena is liked more now, but that too because she is the typical feminine cute female character in all the animes. people like that and so do the producers. misty definitely had a much purer and unique character, unlike all other pokegirls she had a real back story which reflected in her character. how she felt insecure about herself and inferior to her sisters. her character was really strong and she was a really good friend to ash. I still remember that episode when rudy asks misty to date him and she thinks a lot and ends up shouting at ash to defeat rudy in the battle. it shows how much she liked him and how she supported him throughout. in every battle, every loss she was there with him. i truly believe brock and misty were the best things happened to pokemon. they both were really good characters who should have appeared more often. now lets see what they have in those 11 upcoming episodes, i really hope they express ash misty and brocks feelings more this time and they get to spend greater time together. and if ash is really getting married i wish its misty but i have no hopes i know ill just be crying at the end.
@@mahasaeed5717 Oh yeah that reminds me that even Ash himself would get a lil Jelly when some other dude started chatting up Misty. XDDD he does not get jelly at all when his other female companions would get chatted up by other dudes, with Misty though Ash would get Jelly,so it is safe to say that the girl Ash truly loved was Misty.
Misty should've kept Togetic, imo, it would've given her opportunity to come back in Diamond & Pearl and if she was to still release it, have it evolve into Togekiss then and then leave, this fixes the issues of Dawn's Togekiss and Ambipom's exit simultaneously.
@@thecriticalghost4626 As long as Misty didn’t come back around the same time Dawn got hers (so earlier), Togekiss isn’t rushed to be introduced before the series is close to ending (I feel like it was, with the whole Dawn lookalike story and stuff). Maybe have Togetic evolve in Misty’s first 2 parter and then no need for Dawn to have one, Ambipom gets to compete in the Grand Festival (she deserved to imo) and then leave after if she still was to. Otherwise just have Dawn catch something else to equal out her team or whatever. Just my opinion and ideas though
I liked the Togepi arc; the farewell scene is very memorable even 19 years later. The other episodes were just okay, and I liked Misty's interactions with Max and Lana. That said, the original trio didn't get enough time for reminiscing and such.
Lot of copium in the comments. i'm a gen wunner just like you guys but its time to face facts. misty wasnt a great character. She looked weird, dressed like a 5 year old, acted kinda crazy, and wasnt very attractive. she didnt have any real skills, didnt have a ton of compassion, had no defining character trait, didnt excel at anything. She wasnt even a good gym leader, no wonder she left. You guys are saying shes Iconic because you are a victim of nostalgia glasses which are always rose tinted. She was replaced for better looking female characters with less abrasive attitudes and more defining character traits.
I just want an entire new arch with Misty, Ash and Brock together. Misty could be on vacations from the gym and Ash, a world champion that needs to learn humility all over again. No nerfing of Ash for the beginning of a new season please, thank you.
Maybe the wanted to show that Togipi had grown up and didnt needed her trainer anymore, much like butterfree when he left. And also they wanted her to have an Azuril instead so they could introduce that pokemon.
Met, I didn't mind the Hoenn reunion episodes for Misty. But I can understand why you & others don't like it much; with the whole new area & villains & unnecessary 2 part just for her Togepi to evolve. On a side note, I always thought her Hoenn clothes were blue in the stomach region not red lol. I myself always thought of her Hoenn clothes as a 2 piece outfit on top a red piece swimsuit. Which would suit a water type specialist. Just wear some clothes over some swimming/diving esc clothing. But disappointed Misty & Brock didn't get new clothing for the Alola region. Except that Misty basically got her gen 1 gym clothes as a swim suit.
Did any other characters get a love song written for them in the album? As a group, they had Together Forever and Misty got a frigging love song for her to Ash. So to me, she should have never left.
What really ruined her was the fact that writers didn’t know what to do with her tbh and despite not being my favorite written pokegirl she still stands out to me for her personality. Although her recent appearances were definitely not my favorite. It’s a kids shows but considering how big it is, writers should be more careful with how they write their side characters. The only that has been taken care of is Serena (not hate towards,her I like all the pokegirls) and only for her stupid popularity and it’s so unfair for the characters that have been with us for years. The rest have been sacrificed only to make her seem as superior and they have been making poor decisions on how they should be reintroduced. Justo to show 0 progress and make them seem more childish
How does any of that "ruin" Misty as a character? Underutilize? Sure. Ruin? Lol no. And characters don't need 24/7 "growth", enjoy Misty for who she is. As long as a character doesn't devolve like Goku in Dragon Ball Super, then it's fine to be stagnant for a while. We're not changing drastically constantly in real life.
Misty being mentioned in Jirachi Wish maker is a dub change. The mirage island special was also originally made for the American market I'm pretty sure.
I think the problem with Misty is the Kanto writer’s lack of knowledge of Pokemon starting out. Type match ups meant shit, Pokemon learn moves that they shouldn’t or not at the proper level, and more importantly: the gym leaders themselves. They’re such a departure from their original iteration, they might as well be completely different characters from their game counterparts. Lt Surge is a doofus instead of a hardened Pokemon war veteran, Erika is a bitchy fashionista instead of a calm and serene gardener, Sabrina was a horror movie reject instead of a powerful psychic (they even got her gym order wrong) and they couldn’t even do the Giovanni fight justice (they didn’t). This problem extends to Misty, who was mostly just the second straight man to Ash’s wise guy act. None of her tomboyish flair, none of her expertise as a Water-type gym leader, none of her passion for Pokemon. Even her reason for travelling with Ash is flimsy. She wants to be a great trainer and even likes Ash, but alone they’re not very good reasons. Not compared to Brock, who has the breeding aspect down (Even if he has never had two Pokemon make an egg together. Weird), which is why he stuck around longer. They managed to get their act together around Johto/Hoenn and start making some interesting characters. But by the time they did, they wrote themselves into a corner with Misty’s character. Anything other than returning to the Cerulean City gym would have been out of character and weird. She did good with catching/evolving some awesome Pokemon, but they never did anything with it. The only time they did was with the Whirl Islands arc, but again, departure from the main games. Her catching Gyarados and being cool with it in her absence was very cool, but the writers want to strike the right balance for Ash and his friends to be strong to take on gym leaders and weak enough to be caught up in Team Rocket’s gags, hence why Ash doesn’t bring his high level team to a new region (Though Pikachu certainly gets downgraded). All in all, Misty is a fantastic trainer held back by shitty writers who don’t know what to do with her. This is the same writers who couldn’t let go of Ash until very recently. If you want to see a Misty that lives up to her potential, read the Pokemon Adventures manga. She appears much less than her anime counterpart, but she is an awesome trainer, friend to Red and so much so that Suicune, a Pokemon that was looking for the worthy trainer to use him in the final battle against the big bad, chose Misty to be its trainer. She even defeats Whitney’s Miltank in a 1v1.
Then how about Brock? I don't think Misty was "ruined" at all. As a side character, it's not surprised that she was written out. If anything, her role(like in the games) isto be cerulean gym leader and that's where she ended up. And the growth, maturity and power she gained also helped as gym leader.
Ash's character wasn't drastically changed in Hoenn. He'd just grown more arrogant, largely because he'd finally defeated Gary and didn't have to deal with feeling inferior to him anymore. Furthermore, he was dealing with younger companions and taking more of a mentor role with May in particular. Unova Ash on the other hand regressed into a joke. It could have worked if Unova took place directly after Kanto or even the Orange Islands but after everything Ash went through since then, especially in Sinnoh, there's no way he could have lost to Trip until at least their third battle (I don't care if Pikachu couldn't use electricity because Iron Tail and Quick Attack are more than enough to deal with Snivy). He also wouldn't be stupid enough to not been prepared for Elisa, especially after making that mistake with Brawly back when it actually MADE SENSE for his character to be overconfident, or any of the other amateur mistakes he made throughout Unova.
That's why I'm glad for the complete 180 after the Unova league. Even during the "filler" Decolore Islands arc after the league does he seem a lot more like he did at the end of Sinnoh, to say nothing of XY.
A lot of how people talk about the show comes across as if people the Mandela effect and misremembered problems that started in BW as If they were always present.
I'm gonna seriously question your statement that not many characters have as much development as misty. With the exception of Brock and the BW companions, I'd argue litterally all the other companions were better developed than misty. To be honest, I felt that mistys downfall started with Togepi. It felt like once she got Togepi, the writers often just relegated her to the role of being togepis parent. They only rarely gave her interesting stuff to do. Your idea that they drastically changed Ash in Advanced is also something I question. Aside from a few moments of him slipping back to being a dumbass, which only happened a few times right at the start, i really can't see what you're referring to. Idk, this whole vid comes across as you having a lot of bias for the original series and not actually being fair to the later series.
It´s not about one character. It´s about the entire show. The show started (based on the videogame) like the story where the hero goes from nobody to making his dreams come true (or saves the world, etc). Willy Fog was about Willy Fog making the journey around the world in 80 days. Touch was about Tatsuya Uesugi - the lazy and dumb twin - becoming the baseball star. Nadia was about Nadia and Jean having a fantastic adventure, saving the world and falling in love. Pokemon was (back in April 1997) about Ash starting like an ordinary kid and becoming the Pokemon master better than anyone before him. It should have ended with Ash becoming the master, and in a few seasons, not after 20, 30, 40,... years (if he wins one league now there´s so many regions, it´s as "big" success as Rocky Balboa winning the match at the beginning of the first movie). And every other main character should´ve had stayed with him, like in the other shows. If they wanted adaptations of other regions, they could´ve done it the Super Sentai way (each new region is a different universe). But NO, they didn´t give a damn about it , and since Johto they changed it into neverending region - hopping. And in 2002 they started kicking main characters off for good, changed the show into soap opera (wasn´t one Dragon Ball more than enough?!), and killed it. Misty was much more lucky than Brock or Rockets (they didn´t know what to do with them since half season 1, maybe even before the seizure episode), because she had some character arc and development. But after season 2 they didn´t know what to do with her. I could count episodes focusing on her on fingers of one hand. Maybe even Webby in original DuckTales had more episodes about her than Misty since season 3. And the last thing - relationship between Ash and Misty could´ve stayed purely kid friendship (like Huey, Dewey, Louie and Webby), and anything in the future could´ve been an entirely different story ("answered" only by fanfictions). But they made them Ranma and Akane of Pokemon. After the 2nd movie there was not any other option - Ash and Misty should have gotten together in the end. And what did they do? They kicked her out. The show is definitely dead since late 2002, and now it´s nothing more than anime Days of our lives.
@@unripetheberrby6283 I miss back when I thought girls were icky. I mean they're still icky but now my dick wont stfu around them. God damn slave driver is what they should have called it instead.
Clearly the reason togetic needed to leave was that the people no longer blindly accepted their king by togepis grace, likely a consequence of the growing industry in the kingdom
Why pple hate misty?? It's because of Serena Be honest guys have you felt like misty is irritating and annoying before Serena came. You guys started finding flaws in her just to defend Serena and trying to prove she is very best
These Serena fanboys are patetic, they cant see the true about Ash have feelings for Misty and not Serena, also they like boring dull personalities characters like Serena, a cliche perfect girl .
I may be a serena fan but I just don't misty cause she dosent interest me like characters from gen 3 4 6 whose characters I clicked with, I couldn't care less about shipping
If you count all the leagues ash participated in and number of participants ash has beaten like 600 trainers Top 10 each league of 100+ trainers plus 50 gym badges Defeated the battle frontier Like 20 clubsplosion tournaments Defeated all the evil teams The loss of 6 leagues is nothing compared to how many people he’s beaten in the the entire history of the anime And he’s the champion of alola and now the strongest trainer in the entire Pokémon world In 20 seasons of the anime ash has beaten hundreds Not to mention how many times he’s saved the world has access to every game mechanic Yes he has grown
I’ve never heard anyone say togetic’s release ruined Misty just showed how much togetic grew as a character And how much Misty grows after he departure with togetic
"Complete destruction of a character"? You're for sure overexaggerating. Misty didn't forsake herself. Just because some of her cameos weren't glorified doesn't mean that she's any less herself. She didn't take on a different personality or anything. This video feels like clickbait tbh.
Think I'd disagree. Not focusing on Misty in her cameos doesn't really ruin her, it just means she's basically...not there. And if that's ruining her, then they already did that at the end of Johto; when she was basically...not there. Leaving Togepi was as unnecessary as every other pokemon Ash has left behind, in that it didn't have to happen, but it puts focus on the pokemon. And thematically speaking, she should really just stick to water types. Seems like this was a grievance of heightened expectations met with disappointment, rather than the show actually doing something egregious.
Ummm maybe Togetic stayed because it wanted to be with its own kind or less to protect them and more to mentor/lead them. Also no I don't think those episodes ruined her but I also agree that the Togepi episode didn't feel like a real reunion episode.
I took mr some time to understand which pokemon he was talking about. I am only casual pokemon fan so I thought at first it was some pokemon I haven't heard about or forgot. Then after I figured it out I wondered if it was I who had pronounced Togetic wrong the whole time. I now wonder how he would pronounce Togekiss though :/
Let’s face it. Misty wasn’t “flashy” enough for the creators. They don’t realize that we love her for her character and chemistry with the group.
sure they did...i mean they copied her personality with Iris right?(worst mistake ever)
@@turbobrent9435 Iris wasn’t Misty 2.0 or a bad character at all,if anything that just highlights the nostalgia bias that a lot of people have.
That is the exact opposite of the somewhat obvious truth and I can't tell if you've been blinded or if you are joking (Sorry this was a bit mean;)
To explain, the way the show is going and the way the show is, being an anime for a game series that is set in a different region with different characters for each new game generation, it wouldn't be the smartest move exactly to keep the same three or two of the same main characters throughout the entire series, which was definitely going to be long from where they saw. To have the main character travel through every new region to promote the new games coming out. But of course they would want to showcase the new characters, or to have new ones with new, different Pokemon, the core of the series, other than keeping all of the same characters for the whole show. But if they changed the main character a lot, the show could become inconsistent. So they change the human companions as well as the Pokemon companions. Showing kids the new characters from the new games, and the new Pokemon, making them main characters and lovable and iconic so that the kids will want to buy the new games. The same argument could be said for like, any of Ash's old Pokemon. Almost any of them. They were left with professor Oak. It feels like less of a spit in the face, but still.
Be glad as a fan of Misty, you got more of her than some other characters. :)
cr102, I'm glad to see somebody talking about what you called the nostalgia bias.
I personally wouldn't call THIS that, but everybody has different perspectives (and preferences.)
Someone's past with something and enjoyment with something can change the way they remember it. It can change their preferences, and make them who they are. That's why we have likes and dislikes, not the only reason but it shapes who we are. Like how I never would appreciate Squirtle and it's line if I didn't end up getting a shiny one as my second starter in X.
And I understand this.
But I see people throwing trash at the newer games and giving glory to the pixely ones for this reason, and it just isn't right.
I've seen a video talking about how "Pokemon lost it's spark", and that simply isn't true. Obviously it's different now, but different doesn't mean bad. Sometimes these people don't even play the newer games, or watch the newer anime, and yet they hate on it or dislike it. How do you know if something's good or bad if you don't try it? What if you played the 3D games and now have nostalgia for THEM? Or would you still be, biased, towards the old ones?
Nostalgia bias. Minorly rude but accurate.
Thanks Lord for being in my heart; in Jesus name, amen.
Misty was a much appreciated female supporting character growing up. She's spunky, ambitious, annoying, sarcastic, gets flustered etc etc. Just a lovely character with both strengths and flaws. She got angry and defensive really quickly but was also incredibly forgiving and kind. It's wonderful to see characters to be written beyond archetypes. Really just such a fun character to connect with
Just like Amy Rose, but typical sega, they have to be worse than Nintendo at anything.
She also learned from her mistakes and developed as a character.
Misty has had a huge influence on my life when I was a kid. I absolutely love her. The OG team will always be the best, no matter what!
Me too.
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Ikr? The original travelling trio Ash, misty and brock will forever be iconic
@@jinhub2175 Bad news, Rachael Lillis is dead!!!
@@orangeslash1667 😢
Rest in peace Rachael Lillis. You will be missed 💔🌹
Rachel Lillis is Still in Her Spirits As a Gym Leader & a Good Friend
I think Misty is a well written character because she is not a "support-character" but she has her story. When i was a kid i didn't fully catch the Ash-Misty relationship, and i was more oriented in catch 'em all (like Ash), but now i see their relationship very childish and very funny. It's the gold standard for real life relationships! ...and i grief for the last episode "Here your bike, bye". Damn you writers!
Jesus; Thanks Lord for being in my heart, in Jesus name, amen.
@@kaylakeiser-dl3jw you are spoil sports, aren't you? -_-
That's funny and sad at the same time
I get the feeling that later writers didn't like Misty's initial tomboy attitude and felt it was something she needed to mature out of. Like they needed to make her more overly feminine and demure for her character to "grow up".
It all starts with Togepi and just goes on from there, she becomes a less active character and overall just becomes less aggressive and vocal.
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It was marketing and is still marketing.....Pokemon anime's main objective is to promote the franchisee and whenever new Nintendo game comes out, Pokemon anime have to make changes to bring in materials from the new product to market awareness....The creators have very little to say when it comes to directions....Its the products producers who give them direction and they have to work on it... This is how Japanese Animation industry works when it comes to animes that tied to products like Super Robots, Real Robots Gundam.....etc.
Good because it’s down right annoying whenever she WAS aggressive. The “tsundere” act gets very old very quickly. She can be vocal and have a presence without being a bitch about things. However because she’s been in it from kanto to johto there’s only so much tolerance a person can have
Misty still has tomboy momente
@@princevaliant maybe it started like that but it’s become it’s own thing and even the game promotes the show sometimes
It’s symbiotic
BTW, can we talk for a second how iconic Misty's outfit is? She looks both girly and tomboyish, is unapologetically 90s and goes hand in hamd with her personality since is practical, youthful, shows confidence and looks like she's all about summer and going to the beach.
Exactly, plus togepi blossoms the feminine and girly side to her being the material trainer to togepi, honestly it's such a missed opportunity for misty to not keep togetic, because togetic would be a unique and third ace member of her pokemon team being normal and fairy type. Also that her other aces were gyrados and psyduck. Which if you remember she likes jigglypuff too who is also normal and fairy, so give hint misty might like fairy and maybe normal types as well. I wish pokemon gave us more episodes to show misty catching more pokemon that aren't water types, because all know she loves water pokemon, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have love to other types lessl. She only hates bug types because she is terrified of bugs which is understanding.
Maybe Amy Rose should've taken design cues from her, rather than Betty Boop. Then would bet she overflow with fans!
There's a scene from the banned episode (The one where James sports fake breasts) where Misty wears a bikini and having Ash and Brock totally dumbfounded by her appearance. Annoyed, she asks them what their problem is. And Ash quips.
"This is the first time you actually LOOK like a girl!"
@@erikbihari3625 Bad news, Rachael Lillis is dead!!!
@@orangeslash1667. Yeah, but how does this relate with what moi said?
The only story related issues I have ever been bothered about ever while watching this series is just the fact that Ash seems to forget his entire expereience as a trainer at the start of every new season. It's such a immersion break. I get that they want to introduce the basics to new viewers. But why the heck is not Ash the teacher for some rookies? That would have made so much more sense...
Worst was the XYZ development being restarted. That one hit real hard.
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@@kaylakeiser-dl3jw Wut.
Agreed. So naturally I quit watching the Pokemon anime after Black and White.
Since I realized at that point, the writers clearly didn't care.
Hopefully they do better with Liko and Roy, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Does he actually though?
Obviously he does in BW, no question of that.
But as for the other series I really don't see it. He has a few dumbass moments at the start of advanced generation, but it's really just a small few select moments, and they stop doing them very early on. Its not like Ash wasn't already prone to moments of dumbassery in kanto, orange islands and Johto.
Sinnoh Ash always felt like an experienced trainer who knew what he was doing, same for XY and onwards.
I feel like BW has caused sort of a Mandela effect where people think the problems with BW were present in every other series when they weren't.
Like the whole thing people say about Ash never aging? That was not a thing until BW. previous series made multiple references to time passing, one particular special set around the 3rd movie was a celebration of it being a whole year since Ash met pikachu.
It's only in BW that Ash is suddenly 10 again, but now people act as if Ash has just never been aging the whole time instead of the truth that its just a weird retcon that BW introduced.
No matter who comes and leaves Misty is a whole different character. As long as I know every female character has their beginning with their family and friends but Misty was alone. I am a Misty fan and will always be. The trio of Ash Misty and Brook will always be my favorite. Only female character so far that I love and that is Misty.
Thanks Lord for being in my heart; in Jesus name, amen.
@@kaylakeiser-dl3jw amen
Same here. There is no other girl like misty
@@jinhub2175 nigga I can think of 3 other female characters better than Misty. Dawn, Serena, and Lillie
I would love to see a spinoff were Misty turns Cerulean from a joke to a highly respected Gym with her own students.
She Was Only Supposed To Be A Eye Candy To Draw Attention But She Became Way More Than That She Ended Up Known As "The Tomboyish Mermaid"And MuchMore Than A EyeCandy I Really Love Other Pokegirls But Misty Has A Different Place In My Heart.
Misty was supposed to be a eye candy?
@@Haha-Jim lol great answer man
Yeah
This is not how you write.
type normal
Misty is what happened when pokemon writers made an effort.
Fr lol
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True
That’s kind of a mean-spirited way to look at it. A lot of the people saying “true” to this probably haven’t even seen many of the other series outside of the original.
I grew up with the original series, and there was still a lot to like with the writing in the Sinnoh, Kalos, and Alola seasons for me.
Every series has had its ups and downs.
I don't think Misty was ruined as a character, I just think they have not done her justice. There's been no satisfying ending to complete her story. Maybe because the writers want to leave her available in case Ash ever "grows up". 🙄
I've been a PokeShipper since the beginning. I think I cried when they sent Misty back to Cerulean city after Johto. I tried to watch the Hoenn episodes, but when they changed production companies and the 4Kids voice actors were switched to the new Pokemon company voice actors, I stopped following the show entirely. Thanks for showing what happened since then. Maybe someday, every PokeShipper will get the ending we've been waiting for. But I'm not holding my breath.
Same here I stopped watching pokemon after misty left
@@Anime_chan7same
Guess what...Misty is back for the last time
Eh, they always bring back Misty and Brock once and a while, mainly because of nostalgia.
@@piranhalettuce because they are original....they are the creation of Satoshi tajiri......and Serena isn't even a conon character
I think the main issue for me is that there wasn't a reason for Misty to get involved in the first place. I would've liked Ash to acknowledge that he needs her expertise as a gym leader for whatever battle it is and then put her growth at the center of it and show why Ash trusted Misty to be the only person who could help. Maybe it's something specifically related to her immense knowledge of water pokemon or something.
I remember the Mirage episode, even though Misty wasn’t my favourite character, (her short temper and angry tantrums got on my nerves at times), I was excited to see her come back and interact with Ash and Brock again.
But then the way the episode immediately jumped to Togepi getting kidnapped and then introducing this princess character I was like ‘Wait….. I thought this episode was gonna be focused on Misty? Who’s this princess?’ Also, Togepi was treated like a baby for so long that it was pretty jarring when it evolved and Misty set it free to protect the other Togepi.
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Me too.
She wasn't my favorite character for the same reason, because she was quick-tempered and angry tantrums also annoyed me (I can't stand people like that with that kind of character either. I've often had to deal with people like that in the past and I don't get along with them ).
I thought that Misty was very superficial and the way she treated Psyduck, I always felt sorry for him. I'm also glad that I'm not the only one who found the episode with this strange Togepi kingdom... well... how can I put it nicely, it was very confusing. 😅
She wasn’t my favorite (didn’t really have a fav. Loved the group in general such is way I don’t see the others the same way) but I still appreciated her character she was more “unique” that made her more Iconic to me. Won’t forget her.
While Misty is a controversial character and not so liked anymore I think what I disliked about her later appearances was her lack of tomboyish streak and temper. Yeah I actually liked Misty's temper, namely what it was formed from. Because she herself was a rookie like Ash when she started and growing up compared lesser to others will cause some amount of anger, it was a defense mechanism, hence why she would get angry whenever her vanity or skill was questioned. As someone who also struggles with inferiority this is actually relatable. Don't get me wrong the show could've done it much better at times, because they didn't always portray it the best. But I think it separates her from the other females because you don't have to be nice to be a good person, the main issue was the writers not using her temper in a compelling way, or hinting at her insecurities, just never going through with it.
I disliked how after Johto she just defaulted to the same overly soften spoken disposition as the other females. Because I always found her flaws made her stick out compared to the others even if the writing didn't always do her justice. Even though she isn't my favorite female character I do miss when she was allowed to show more sides to her that wasn't just overly bubbly or soft spoken. It's also why I liked when May got arrogant after some time, but then grew from that.
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@@kaylakeiser-dl3jw You are literally everywhere, knock it off and give it a rest. 😒
Love May for her character development as well, brought something fresh. The two best IMO.
@@goeticfolklore. One out her Element eye candy, with Veronica Taylor flexing vocally, yes please!
@@erikbihari3625 Bad news, Rachael Lillis is dead!!!
You got a point there. I remember how excited I was seeing Misty again in the Togetik episode, but I don't have much memory of Misty in that episode. Same with the Mirage Island special.
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@@kaylakeiser-dl3jwyes
The original voice actor for Misty has died. RIP. :(
Oh geeze I'll never forget crying like a big ass baby at the end of Johto 😭
I wouldn't say she was "ruined" so much as "wasted"
The Hoenn episodes featuring her return had way too much stuff going on that took the focus away from her, so I think things might've gone better if the episode had been about them meeting up, interacting and reminiscing and stuff, and not...all of that of that other stuff, which could've been made into its own separate episode instead, especially with how Misty got to have a better return in Sun and Moon that helped show off her character a lot better than her episodes in Hoenn which weren't about her but other stuff going on during her return, which again took the focus away from her and made it so she couldn't do or show as much as she could've
Just my take on this, from what all I've heard in this video
She still got more than Amy Rose in any media, including comics, where it's iether fans freaking out about her liking Sonic, because appearently they still operate under girls having cooties mentality, with it being kryptonite for cool guys like sonic, and not realising decreasing her crush and giving her seporate things, and more independance doesn't make her Less, but in fact, More disposable!
Misty had so much wasted potential, it actually pisses me off lol they could have done so much!! Imagine if she would have kept all her Pokémon & trained/evolved them! By the end of Johto she could have had Starmie, Politoed, Kingdra, Corsola, Seaking, & Psyduck(they wouldn’t ever evolve her Psyduck)
Or they could have had her catch more Pokémon, like Tentacruel since she’s mentioned how much she likes it or even a Gyarados during her travels with Ash instead of after. But no, they just made her a babysitter/cheerleader instead.
I wanted her to be elite 4🥲
how they handled her relationship with psyduck was the worst.
there was never any growth there,at least not when she was still with ash.
she was abusive and hateful towards it constantly for little to no reason,never gets rebuked for it or suffers reprocussions for this.....not only does this stunt her as a character.
but i honestly think it sets a very irresponsible moral example.
@@dakotastein9499 She stopped abusing her Psyduck after Johto. Expecially in Alola where she now just showers it with love and care
@HMM That was all off screen. It would have been nice to actually see improvement in their relationship when they were with Ash. Jessie had a better relationship with Wobuffett. At least the audience actually saw her grow to care about him ON-SCREEN
@@zemox2534 im i the only one that finds team rockests relationship with thier own pokemon suprisingly wholesome? (especially james)
I haven't watched these Pokémon episodes in awhile but I think that misty leaving togetic to defend togepie is like ash leaving his newly evolved pidgeot to defend pidgy before leaving kanto for another adventure. It's like George Lucas said: "its like poetry, it rhymes"
Remembering Butterfree always makes me cry no matter how older I grow
RIP Misty/Racheal Lillis 🌊⭐️👧
As far as I know, what ruined Misty's character was the massive and unexpected popularity of the Pokemon franchise.
I think it was covered by Did You Know Gaming? in their Lugia episode, that the Mewtwo movie was supposed to be the finale for the series and that they planned for Ash and Misty to have a daughter at the end of the movie.
Even in the Lugia movie you can clearly see that she had very strong feelings for Ash. But the anime became super popular worldwide, so the franchise owners decided to switch gears and make it as long as possible. They decided that Ash should remain, but Misty had to go in order to bring representation for the new region's characters (particularly the then obligatory female travel companion).
Thanks for covering the other episodes though! I missed a lot of gen3 to 5 anime episodes.
woah i never knew about that!
Remember Ash has gone through Misty, May, Dawn, Iris, Mallow, Serena, and now Chloe and he is still only 10 years old. He’s gone through 7 main characters and Misty had 3 seasons with Ash. Kanto, Johto, and the Orange Islands. And he is still only 10.
I’ve heard one of the directors or writers didn’t like her, not sure if that was true..but either way, she was “ruined” once the creators stopped caring about her. The anime doubled down as promotional material for the games and series rather than about continuing the story it had established thus far. The parting of the 3 main characters signifies to me the end of the original creative show and the beginning of the more promotional focused show. It’s why Ash can keep resetting every new series..it isn’t fully the same show anymore and neither are the characters.
I agree with this 100%
The original trio was best
Well he isn’t resetting this time
To be fair, Diamond and Pearl went back to the creative side with Dawn. The reason why Dawn's victory against May in the Wallace Cup was so cathartic is because Dawn didn't have any plot armour. She had to fight her way up without the writers giving her the special treatment that they usually give to main characters, which was emphasised when she failed in the appeal round of 2 contests in a row. During May's time on the show, it was unthinkable for her to fail in the appeal round of a single contest, never mind 2 in a row, and this was despite the fact that some of her performances, like Skitty botching Blizzard and having to resort to juggling, were arguably weaker than the performances that Dawn failed to win the judges over with. Dawn had to prove herself through sheer determination to get better, so she 100% earned her victory against May whereas May frequently relied on plot armour. That's why Dawn is Ash's most well written companion, with only Lillie coming close due to how well the Sun and Moon writers handled her PTSD.
Speaking of Lillie, she's another display of the writers taking risks and this time, they were tackling something much more mature than mere failure. And this happened during the Sun and Moon series, which everybody assumed would be childish crap because of the art style. However, the writers tackled a severe psychological condition and managed to pull it off. Lillie's recovery included at least one major relapse when a repressed memory of Silvally, whom she mistakenly believed had attacked her, rendered her unable to touch any Pokemon, including Snowy, even after all the progress she'd made.
Honestly, if Lillie had a better English voice actress than Laurie Hymes, she'd be on Dawn's level in terms of character, perhaps even higher. That kind of character arc needs a voice actress who has an undercurrent of fear during any Pokemon interactions and can give a hint of tragedy to the more comedic moments of Lillie freaking out, so that people actually feel bad for laughing at her. It would help to show that, although it's often framed in a comedic manner due to this still being a children's show at heart, Lillie's fear of Pokemon isn't because she's a wimp. It's because of PTSD, a very serious psychological condition that some people have killed themselves to escape from. Unfortunately, Laurie Hymes' voice was too grating so it's better to listen to the Japanese version.
Getting back to Diamond and Pearl, Paul is also a display of that series' creative streak because although he was heavily based on Silver, he's still unique within the context of the anime. He challenged Ash in ways that no other rival could and even during his one episode return in Journeys, he was still doing so despite having mellowed significantly since we last saw him. Even Gary was just an obstacle for Ash to overcome. Paul actually challenged Ash intellectually and emotionally due to their drastically different training styles.
Plus Diamond and Pearl introduced one of the series' most underrated villains. Pokemon Hunter J. I wish they'd brought her back for the Latios and Latias episode in Journey's because we don't know for sure that she died and the hunter who was actually in that episode used her gimmicks of riding a pseudo-legendary and turning Pokemon into stone.
the show started becoming promotional in johto. You can see everything from the games put in there since then.
Man nothing quite hits like the original kanto and johto series 🥲😁
Yes
Togetic’s departure is one of the most heartwarming farewells ever
Misty departing with togetic isn’t that different from ash’s departure with many of his Pokémon
Exactly
I disagree. That's the reason I lost my love for the anime all those years ago. I still hate writers for getting rid of Togepi who suck an iconic character in the original series. I wish they never did that.
I loved watching Pokémon episodes with Misty. She was my favorite. Once I finished watching the Master Quest and onto the advanced, I stopped watching it.
Same
Same here! The original travelling trio Ash, misty and brock were the best. When they left and went their separate ways i stopped watching pokemon
RIP Rachel Lillis
Johto arc's episode length was plenty of time to do more with Misty and Brock along with use new villains. Misty and Brock could have caught more Pokémon to add to their teams and had their own goodbye to older Pokémon. They could have had Misty catch some the water Pokémon from Johto made some female friends or had her own rival such as the kid who liked fire types.
If Misty had a rival they'd be a grass type enjoyer. The rivals always pick the type-advantage pokemon.
Thanks Lord for being in my heart; in Jesus name, amen.
@@spencerallison3196 Wasn’t her rivals the Invincible Brothers? She’s fought them a couple times and the three of them were opposite to her sisters
Nah I don't think Misty was ever ruined. If anything, people are trying to ruin her with the introduction of Serena, who doesn't deserve Ash BTW.
Side note, you were saying Togetic's name wrong.
Poke ship is best.
@@randomperson22856 Thank you.
ikr? they bash her because of serena
i also like misty for not being a simp like serena and beinga lover from side to side
I rather sided with May.
They never gave her the chance to catch new water pokemon like remoriad, chinchou or even a tentacruel. Or even letting her win todadile
Rest In Peace, Rachel Lillis - The Voice of Misty, Jigglypuff, and Jessie in Pokemon Franchise
well, i think misty was and still is the most perfect character in the whole show, she had a personality and goals way before meeting Ash which means her development didn't depend on him but on the experience she got from that journey.
Having said that, i think her character was evolving beatifully during the original series, her evolution was so good that possibly could have helped other characters to evolve as well like Ash for example, the feelings she had for him were growing strong.. too strong to be ignorared even by Ash. But like the show was only for kids, and the company wanted to sell videogames they took away the only character who could have risked the "ash never aged" thing.
Actually at this point of the series as an OG fan i would rather watch a series about Misty and her work as a gymleader than Ash and his never ending journey.
C'mon Misty alone was able to reconstruct her whole gym, which implies that she knows about desing, knows how to use the money very well, knows about marketing, etc... actually now tha i think about it, it was her feelings for Ash what was holding back all of her potential, she liked him and she didn't want to leave him but once she was forced to do it she became her true self, that's why Misty's character doesn't seem to fit in the new series, because she is now so much more that only catching pokemon and traveling the world. So if for some unexpected reason she comes back as a regular character the whole storyline would have to change, giving us much more mature personalities in every character and much more mature stories.
so, i don't think Misty was ruined, i think the show is ruined because now it can not handle a character so complex and well created like her.
Well said
Misty's better off as a gym leader not a travel companion.
The closet thing to a misty series were the episodes focused on her from Pokemon Chronicles. They focus on her role as the bew gym leader
May, Dawn, Serena and Iris are better than Misty. Aleast they had a purpose in their lives rather than some stupid bike
I’m still sad that they split up 😢 As a kid I thought that misty and Brock would stay with ash in his journey but they didn’t 😭. I stopped watching after that.
No.
I'm sorry 😔
Misty is by far my favorite character in this show. Besides the fact that I’ve had a crush on her since I was like 10, 11 lol her character development was handled really well.
I've always hated Misty. As a kid I couldn't stand her behaviour and I will never forget how much she mistreated Psyduck in some episodes, so I was happy when May came as a companion. After all these years I don't hate Misty anymore but she is one of my least favourite female companions!
Hey I'm not alone!!~
Same, I don't hate her as much anymore but she isn't one of my top faves
there was nothing wrong with the mirage episodes, it was great to see her back in the anime
Nah, he made a good point. I like my characters having, well, _character_ to them. Misty simply being present really only would've worked the first time she returned since she still had her original 4Kids voice actor too. Well the subsequent appearances further deject her with writing and an unfamiliar voice.
Ash and misty forever. period
Exactly
Click bait title, I fail to see how any of that "ruined" Misty.
It didn't undo any of Misty's prior growth, it didn't drastically change her character, just feels like your expectations were set way too high.
The video was uploaded a year ago not a day ago broo
Misty was way more mature than the others, I love her she was funny and amazing!
I actually think Misty became more interesting as a character after she left Ash. As an adult watching the first two series of pokemon, I was really disappointed in how they used Misty. Misty is supposed to be a gym leader, one of only 8 people in an entire region to have that position, she should be a top tier, if at least a competent trainer, only for the show to never have her battle outside of flicking team rocket away. I know they probably didn't want to take away the attention on Ash becoming a strong trainer, but Misty more or less just became the tom boyish friend that makes sassy comments and sometimes battles. After leaving Ash, she finally became what she was meant to be, an independent intimidating gym leader that was strong enough to train a mega gyrados. While I do think the anime didn't know how to use her besides an easter egg after she left Johto, I find Misty to be much more interesting when she does appear, especially recently with the end of Ash's journey.
I mean, character growth coming at the cost of writing not explaining why she was a good personality in the first place doesn't feel like a good trade-off.
Her sisters were the gym leaders for a while and they were shown to be very far from "top tier" or even "competent trainer" haha
I agree, more interesting 😊
I feel like saying that misy was RUINED is kind of a stretch. She's still an amazing character, just a huge part about her that we knew for so long had moved on. The Pokemon characters DO grow and develop over time and you may not like that personally, but that doesn't inherently make them ruined.
Misty takes on duties as a gym leader, Brock becomes a Pokemon doctor, etc. It's kind of a fact of life, that as time passes people gain new responsibilities and so they put those first.
You are basically a member of team Rocket... Sloth...
Had to pay tribute to Jessie and Misty Voice Actor who pass away from Cancer😔😔😔🕊🕊🕊🕊
I don't really take issue with this particular arc, honestly.
It *was* closure for Misty's arc with Togepi, in that we saw Togepi evolve out of needing Misty as a caretaker and Misty let it go so it could be a caretaker itself. While I think the Mirage Kingdom is a bit goofy, Hanson isn't a bad villain, and the arc showcases a couple of Pokemon I quite like, Ninjask and Shedinja, with the later being a formidable opponent even if the anime didn't really understand how Wonder Guard works.
Misty does also show up during the first half of the Battle Frontier arc prior to TPI taking over the dub; she just kind of does her thing with the party and then goes on her way again. It didn't really feel final any more, as if the writers understood they'd be bringing her back again, which they did.
Misty was the glue that held the group together.Gone way too soon but thanks for the memories that you gave your fans and future viewers.
Your right there should be an episode of her reunited with her togetic probably now a togekiss which is a Pokemon that we could find in the galar region. And I would like to see misty again as a character.
I think it was fine she was a side character during those episodes. If you think about it from their world perspective, misty just wanted to be there to support her pals, she had her own stuff going on and that wasnt the main focus of those episodes.
Maybe but from an IRL standpoint they only had her reappear as an attempt at fan service... If they actually cared she would have been more of a focus instead of simply being a side character. Because as he said in the video, bringing back one of the OG cast is supposed to be a big deal, yet she was mostly there just because she had a Togepi and the episode was about Togepi and Togetic.
I feel like misty is what Iris could of been if they developed her better
Nowadays, Iris managed to exceed Misty.
And yet,May has more votes.
Misty Was The most Romantic pokegirl ever. she was powerful and independent and her attitude was the only one Awesome. 💞
And behind her Rude face Lies A Strong True Love for Ash.😍💖💞💘
He May have stopped Misty and then there love story should continue 🥲😍
In Reality Misty Loves Ash more than Any pokegirl after traveling with him for 5 seasons ❤❤❤
I still remember that scene when misty cried in "gotta catch ya" episode 🥺🥺😢
Misty sucks!
IKR
Misty just gets hate for no reason
And since Serena's popularity is growing a lot
Pokemon company would do much better things to Serena than Misty
This is what I absolutely hate
If in the end ash did end up with someone
I am scared Pokemon company would chose Serena to satisfy fanbase
🥲
@@Drip_Giyu I don't think this is true.
Misty has a huge fanbase, and as an OG character, she won't be forgotten. Serena is nice and all, but I see nothing we didn't already see in May, other than the fact she clearly crushes on Ash. But I mean, honestly what kept Pokeshippers on their toes was the subtlelty when it came down to Misty's feelings.
@@Drip_Giyu Im even more scared now. since ash's journey is officially ending and idk what they will do to him maybe he grows up and marries someone? and seeing all the love to serena im afraid ash is gonna end up w her. misty's feelings were well showcased in the song in the episode gotta catch ya later and i remember crying so much. she was and she will be the bestest pokegirl ever for me. serena is liked more now, but that too because she is the typical feminine cute female character in all the animes. people like that and so do the producers. misty definitely had a much purer and unique character, unlike all other pokegirls she had a real back story which reflected in her character. how she felt insecure about herself and inferior to her sisters. her character was really strong and she was a really good friend to ash. I still remember that episode when rudy asks misty to date him and she thinks a lot and ends up shouting at ash to defeat rudy in the battle. it shows how much she liked him and how she supported him throughout. in every battle, every loss she was there with him. i truly believe brock and misty were the best things happened to pokemon. they both were really good characters who should have appeared more often. now lets see what they have in those 11 upcoming episodes, i really hope they express ash misty and brocks feelings more this time and they get to spend greater time together. and if ash is really getting married i wish its misty but i have no hopes i know ill just be crying at the end.
@@mahasaeed5717 Oh yeah that reminds me that even Ash himself would get a lil Jelly when some other dude started chatting up Misty. XDDD he does not get jelly at all when his other female companions would get chatted up by other dudes, with Misty though Ash would get Jelly,so it is safe to say that the girl Ash truly loved was Misty.
R.I.P. Rachael Lillis you were beloved by all
So weird to hear you narrating a Pokémon video after watching your Halo channel for so long! Hope you make more like this!
I've watched almost all your Halo videos then UA-cam recommended this. It's nice to see more Pokemon nerds haha. I know what I'm doing today.
Yup agreed. I was very confused at first when I saw this in my recommended
Misty should've kept Togetic, imo, it would've given her opportunity to come back in Diamond & Pearl and if she was to still release it, have it evolve into Togekiss then and then leave, this fixes the issues of Dawn's Togekiss and Ambipom's exit simultaneously.
How does that fixes any of these two things? Just curiosity
@@thecriticalghost4626 As long as Misty didn’t come back around the same time Dawn got hers (so earlier), Togekiss isn’t rushed to be introduced before the series is close to ending (I feel like it was, with the whole Dawn lookalike story and stuff). Maybe have Togetic evolve in Misty’s first 2 parter and then no need for Dawn to have one, Ambipom gets to compete in the Grand Festival (she deserved to imo) and then leave after if she still was to. Otherwise just have Dawn catch something else to equal out her team or whatever. Just my opinion and ideas though
I think it would fix it little bit, and i’ve probably would’ve liked Togekiss, but Dawns was the reason I hated it
Togetic is pronounced Tow-Guh-Tic, No “Get”.
I liked the Togepi arc; the farewell scene is very memorable even 19 years later. The other episodes were just okay, and I liked Misty's interactions with Max and Lana. That said, the original trio didn't get enough time for reminiscing and such.
Togepi's voice is annoying
@@SMCwasTaken You must be a new kid on the block, right?
@@mottom2657 Don't even get me started on Piplup's voice, they should've kept the japanese dub voice
Nah, that episode felt like a flurry of stuff with minimal reminiscing between them. Hell, even Brock talked about his past a lot more.
Gotta give it to this man, he can be talking about what master chief eat at 5 am and produce this banger? Lmaoooo
Lot of copium in the comments.
i'm a gen wunner just like you guys but its time to face facts. misty wasnt a great character. She looked weird, dressed like a 5 year old, acted kinda crazy, and wasnt very attractive. she didnt have any real skills, didnt have a ton of compassion, had no defining character trait, didnt excel at anything. She wasnt even a good gym leader, no wonder she left.
You guys are saying shes Iconic because you are a victim of nostalgia glasses which are always rose tinted. She was replaced for better looking female characters with less abrasive attitudes and more defining character traits.
everybody here hating serena like insecure fanboys
dawn is the best pokegirl not misty imo
Togetic and Shedinja are two of my favorite pokémon. So despite its flaw I remember LOVING the mirage episode as a kid, thought it was so cool
And then there are some guys who say Serena is way better than misty
I don't and never liked either of them.
they are young kids whom never got to know the real tomboy mermaid.
yeah cuz serena acts like the perfect gurl(even the hell shes just 2•\• perfect) and misty is a tomboy but still i like misty the best
I just want an entire new arch with Misty, Ash and Brock together. Misty could be on vacations from the gym and Ash, a world champion that needs to learn humility all over again. No nerfing of Ash for the beginning of a new season please, thank you.
Maybe the wanted to show that Togipi had grown up and didnt needed her trainer anymore, much like butterfree when he left. And also they wanted her to have an Azuril instead so they could introduce that pokemon.
Met, I didn't mind the Hoenn reunion episodes for Misty. But I can understand why you & others don't like it much; with the whole new area & villains & unnecessary 2 part just for her Togepi to evolve.
On a side note, I always thought her Hoenn clothes were blue in the stomach region not red lol.
I myself always thought of her Hoenn clothes as a 2 piece outfit on top a red piece swimsuit. Which would suit a water type specialist. Just wear some clothes over some swimming/diving esc clothing.
But disappointed Misty & Brock didn't get new clothing for the Alola region. Except that Misty basically got her gen 1 gym clothes as a swim suit.
Rip her VA
Did any other characters get a love song written for them in the album?
As a group, they had Together Forever and Misty got a frigging love song for her to Ash.
So to me, she should have never left.
Dawn and Ash had their own song in Japan
Lets be honest, Misty was the Sakura of Pokémon, she was extremely weak and have no goal, at least May and Dawn have a objective
yeah misty is cool but compared to some of the later girls misty really only gets by bc of nostalgia bias.
What really ruined her was the fact that writers didn’t know what to do with her tbh and despite not being my favorite written pokegirl she still stands out to me for her personality. Although her recent appearances were definitely not my favorite. It’s a kids shows but considering how big it is, writers should be more careful with how they write their side characters. The only that has been taken care of is Serena (not hate towards,her I like all the pokegirls) and only for her stupid popularity and it’s so unfair for the characters that have been with us for years. The rest have been sacrificed only to make her seem as superior and they have been making poor decisions on how they should be reintroduced. Justo to show 0 progress and make them seem more childish
i agree 100%
How does any of that "ruin" Misty as a character? Underutilize? Sure. Ruin? Lol no. And characters don't need 24/7 "growth", enjoy Misty for who she is. As long as a character doesn't devolve like Goku in Dragon Ball Super, then it's fine to be stagnant for a while. We're not changing drastically constantly in real life.
The series could have given her a Tentacruel because it's one of her favorite pokemon.
Rip Rachel Lillis
Misty being mentioned in Jirachi Wish maker is a dub change. The mirage island special was also originally made for the American market I'm pretty sure.
I always believed there was MORE to Misty tagging along with Ash then just her bike.
The bike was just her excuse.
*one year later*
returns and catches a Clauncher.
AFTER BEATING WORLD CHAMPION ASH
May's always been my favorite, but the series I started with was Ruby and Sapphire. I wish she had a few episodes in Journeys, but understand why.
It's a pity that Misty was disfigured I like those seasons that with Misty Misty is my favorite character from the cartoon and E
Misty is the baddest girl in Pokémon.
@@retroguy9233 I know she's the best and a badass 😎
@@arhamanakhan789 Not bad-good bad-bad.
@@retroguy9233 Ik that is what u said I think she is the best and the only pokégirl who doesn't need to tolerate other's bullst
@@retroguy9233 why do you think she's bad?
I think the problem with Misty is the Kanto writer’s lack of knowledge of Pokemon starting out. Type match ups meant shit, Pokemon learn moves that they shouldn’t or not at the proper level, and more importantly: the gym leaders themselves. They’re such a departure from their original iteration, they might as well be completely different characters from their game counterparts. Lt Surge is a doofus instead of a hardened Pokemon war veteran, Erika is a bitchy fashionista instead of a calm and serene gardener, Sabrina was a horror movie reject instead of a powerful psychic (they even got her gym order wrong) and they couldn’t even do the Giovanni fight justice (they didn’t).
This problem extends to Misty, who was mostly just the second straight man to Ash’s wise guy act. None of her tomboyish flair, none of her expertise as a Water-type gym leader, none of her passion for Pokemon. Even her reason for travelling with Ash is flimsy. She wants to be a great trainer and even likes Ash, but alone they’re not very good reasons. Not compared to Brock, who has the breeding aspect down (Even if he has never had two Pokemon make an egg together. Weird), which is why he stuck around longer. They managed to get their act together around Johto/Hoenn and start making some interesting characters. But by the time they did, they wrote themselves into a corner with Misty’s character. Anything other than returning to the Cerulean City gym would have been out of character and weird. She did good with catching/evolving some awesome Pokemon, but they never did anything with it. The only time they did was with the Whirl Islands arc, but again, departure from the main games. Her catching Gyarados and being cool with it in her absence was very cool, but the writers want to strike the right balance for Ash and his friends to be strong to take on gym leaders and weak enough to be caught up in Team Rocket’s gags, hence why Ash doesn’t bring his high level team to a new region (Though Pikachu certainly gets downgraded).
All in all, Misty is a fantastic trainer held back by shitty writers who don’t know what to do with her. This is the same writers who couldn’t let go of Ash until very recently. If you want to see a Misty that lives up to her potential, read the Pokemon Adventures manga. She appears much less than her anime counterpart, but she is an awesome trainer, friend to Red and so much so that Suicune, a Pokemon that was looking for the worthy trainer to use him in the final battle against the big bad, chose Misty to be its trainer. She even defeats Whitney’s Miltank in a 1v1.
She was never ruined.. She is exaggerated at many a times yes, but is and always will be a great character.
Then how about Brock? I don't think Misty was "ruined" at all. As a side character, it's not surprised that she was written out. If anything, her role(like in the games) isto be cerulean gym leader and that's where she ended up. And the growth, maturity and power she gained also helped as gym leader.
Ash's character wasn't drastically changed in Hoenn. He'd just grown more arrogant, largely because he'd finally defeated Gary and didn't have to deal with feeling inferior to him anymore. Furthermore, he was dealing with younger companions and taking more of a mentor role with May in particular.
Unova Ash on the other hand regressed into a joke. It could have worked if Unova took place directly after Kanto or even the Orange Islands but after everything Ash went through since then, especially in Sinnoh, there's no way he could have lost to Trip until at least their third battle (I don't care if Pikachu couldn't use electricity because Iron Tail and Quick Attack are more than enough to deal with Snivy). He also wouldn't be stupid enough to not been prepared for Elisa, especially after making that mistake with Brawly back when it actually MADE SENSE for his character to be overconfident, or any of the other amateur mistakes he made throughout Unova.
That's why I'm glad for the complete 180 after the Unova league. Even during the "filler" Decolore Islands arc after the league does he seem a lot more like he did at the end of Sinnoh, to say nothing of XY.
A lot of how people talk about the show comes across as if people the Mandela effect and misremembered problems that started in BW as If they were always present.
Misty was the baddest bitch in Pokémon, on Hog
I agree.
i disagree
@@Sxlly_Gxrl Who asked you?!
" Hey misty... your bike is over there".
I never knew this channel existed
Happy to see you branching out into other topics
Misty was a spunky, sassy, layered tomboy. We loved her for it. The creators ruined it by making her overly saccharine sweet.
Togedic?
It's Togetic
I'm gonna seriously question your statement that not many characters have as much development as misty. With the exception of Brock and the BW companions, I'd argue litterally all the other companions were better developed than misty.
To be honest, I felt that mistys downfall started with Togepi. It felt like once she got Togepi, the writers often just relegated her to the role of being togepis parent. They only rarely gave her interesting stuff to do.
Your idea that they drastically changed Ash in Advanced is also something I question. Aside from a few moments of him slipping back to being a dumbass, which only happened a few times right at the start, i really can't see what you're referring to.
Idk, this whole vid comes across as you having a lot of bias for the original series and not actually being fair to the later series.
No way you called “Toe-Ge-Tic” , “toe-get-ic” 😭🤣
Dude it was a great video but that got me😂
@@GuysenseiHLJONIN 💯 😂
It´s not about one character. It´s about the entire show. The show started (based on the videogame) like the story where the hero goes from nobody to making his dreams come true (or saves the world, etc). Willy Fog was about Willy Fog making the journey around the world in 80 days. Touch was about Tatsuya Uesugi - the lazy and dumb twin - becoming the baseball star. Nadia was about Nadia and Jean having a fantastic adventure, saving the world and falling in love. Pokemon was (back in April 1997) about Ash starting like an ordinary kid and becoming the Pokemon master better than anyone before him. It should have ended with Ash becoming the master, and in a few seasons, not after 20, 30, 40,... years (if he wins one league now there´s so many regions, it´s as "big" success as Rocky Balboa winning the match at the beginning of the first movie). And every other main character should´ve had stayed with him, like in the other shows. If they wanted adaptations of other regions, they could´ve done it the Super Sentai way (each new region is a different universe). But NO, they didn´t give a damn about it , and since Johto they changed it into neverending region - hopping. And in 2002 they started kicking main characters off for good, changed the show into soap opera (wasn´t one Dragon Ball more than enough?!), and killed it.
Misty was much more lucky than Brock or Rockets (they didn´t know what to do with them since half season 1, maybe even before the seizure episode), because she had some character arc and development. But after season 2 they didn´t know what to do with her. I could count episodes focusing on her on fingers of one hand. Maybe even Webby in original DuckTales had more episodes about her than Misty since season 3.
And the last thing - relationship between Ash and Misty could´ve stayed purely kid friendship (like Huey, Dewey, Louie and Webby), and anything in the future could´ve been an entirely different story ("answered" only by fanfictions). But they made them Ranma and Akane of Pokemon. After the 2nd movie there was not any other option - Ash and Misty should have gotten together in the end. And what did they do? They kicked her out. The show is definitely dead since late 2002, and now it´s nothing more than anime Days of our lives.
Pokemon anime lost its soul after maybe season 2 at the latest
What an interesting nice comment 🤔😊 Kid-me really wouldn't have liked Ash and Misty getting together though.
@@unripetheberrby6283 I miss back when I thought girls were icky. I mean they're still icky but now my dick wont stfu around them. God damn slave driver is what they should have called it instead.
Clearly the reason togetic needed to leave was that the people no longer blindly accepted their king by togepis grace, likely a consequence of the growing industry in the kingdom
Why pple hate misty??
It's because of Serena
Be honest guys have you felt like misty is irritating and annoying before Serena came.
You guys started finding flaws in her just to defend Serena and trying to prove she is very best
These Serena fanboys are patetic, they cant see the true about Ash have feelings for Misty and not Serena, also they like boring dull personalities characters like Serena, a cliche perfect girl .
Forget Misty and Serena I think Giselle is the perfect girl for Ash.
@@retroguy9233 lol
I may be a serena fan but I just don't misty cause she dosent interest me like characters from gen 3 4 6 whose characters I clicked with, I couldn't care less about shipping
Homie I can’t take how you say Togetic…it’s tow·guh·tik like the bug tick.
If you count all the leagues ash participated in and number of participants ash has beaten like 600 trainers
Top 10 each league of 100+ trainers plus 50 gym badges
Defeated the battle frontier
Like 20 clubsplosion tournaments
Defeated all the evil teams
The loss of 6 leagues is nothing compared to how many people he’s beaten in the the entire history of the anime
And he’s the champion of alola and now the strongest trainer in the entire Pokémon world
In 20 seasons of the anime ash has beaten hundreds
Not to mention how many times he’s saved the world has access to every game mechanic
Yes he has grown
I’ve never heard anyone say togetic’s release ruined Misty just showed how much togetic grew as a character
And how much Misty grows after he departure with togetic
Misty was ruined when they introduced togepi it turned her from a character into just that girl with a baby
"Complete destruction of a character"? You're for sure overexaggerating. Misty didn't forsake herself. Just because some of her cameos weren't glorified doesn't mean that she's any less herself. She didn't take on a different personality or anything. This video feels like clickbait tbh.
Think I'd disagree. Not focusing on Misty in her cameos doesn't really ruin her, it just means she's basically...not there. And if that's ruining her, then they already did that at the end of Johto; when she was basically...not there. Leaving Togepi was as unnecessary as every other pokemon Ash has left behind, in that it didn't have to happen, but it puts focus on the pokemon. And thematically speaking, she should really just stick to water types.
Seems like this was a grievance of heightened expectations met with disappointment, rather than the show actually doing something egregious.
Ummm maybe Togetic stayed because it wanted to be with its own kind or less to protect them and more to mentor/lead them.
Also no I don't think those episodes ruined her but I also agree that the Togepi episode didn't feel like a real reunion episode.
My ears bled every time you said “Togetic.”
I took mr some time to understand which pokemon he was talking about. I am only casual pokemon fan so I thought at first it was some pokemon I haven't heard about or forgot. Then after I figured it out I wondered if it was I who had pronounced Togetic wrong the whole time. I now wonder how he would pronounce Togekiss though :/