SOLD! my Purchase Order for the S5 Kit is in. I am taking a lot more video these days and the S5 is the perfect camera for this. Way beyond what one could have imagined even a few years ago. Features, size, quality and value is just unbeatable. I started taking photos 45 years ago when all SLR's were manual focus. So getting the S5 to focus will not be an issue. I think that people see that the autofocus is not perfect and fob the camera off as worthless. That's never the case and you may just have to work a little harder to find out how to get the focus when and how you want it. I am not into sports photography so no issue here. Tony & Chelsea in their rush to get views pushed out this video without really learning to operate the camera. This was evident when Tony had to help Chelsea with the settings for the portrait shot. There are other UA-cam videos on the S5 that demonstrate that the autofocus was not as bad as depicted here. It's very common to have "experts" on UA-cam reviewing gear without even reading the manual. So called "modern photographers" are too precious these days are not willing to work for their shots. People just want the equivalent of an instamatic these days and buy sophisticated DSLRs so they can call themselves a professional arteest. OK now let's do the maths. Th Panasonic S5 here in the land of OZ is selling RRP for $3,199. For $500 more you will get the 20-60mm lens kit. The 20-60mm lens is selling individually for $1,099. Plus if purchased before the end of Sept you can redeem the Sigma 45mm lens valued at approx $900. The S5 with the two lenses comes to $3,699 [US$2,692] and you are getting $2,000 worth of lenses. Therefore you are only really paying $1,699 [US$1,236] for the S5 body. I was able to get another hundred dollars off the deal which makes it even sweeter. Where in the world would find such amazing value for such a great kit? In years to come when the S5 is an antique, you can always sell or pass on the body to someone else and keep the L glass. People this purchase is a no brainer.
@@Universal_Craftsman Iso invariance, basically new cameras with good dynamic range can be shot at base iso the boost the exposure in post to get the same image quality
I bet time is running out for Panasonic for beeing stubborn like they are. They could have the best featured cameras on the planet if they fixed the lacking AF performance, added more power efficient cpus and made more good non Leica tax lenses.
Brelliace Lack of ip for hybrid autofocus > stubborness. Pretty sure they hear us considering they’ve consistently gave us video features we ask for. Tis the way of business when you have you buy sensors from another company
my experience is (backed up by many other reviewers) that S5 at crop outperforms A7 III every time. and in full it is head to head. not to mention A7 cannot output even 10 bit while s5 can externally output 12bit and 10 (4:2:2!) internaly. these are uncomparable machines. both top models but a7 clearly showing its age...
Thanks for the video. This was a pretty fair and even-handed description of the S5's capabilities and limitations. One general question for anyone who might know: can focusing systems be improved with a firmware upgrade or is the S5 stuck with its current system? Thanks again, KB.
100% agree! Their camera body design and empowering controls make the user feel in charge, we just cannot rely on contrast autofocus. I would have got the S1 months ago if it had phase detection. PANASONIC, PLEASE TAKE NOTE!
@@adamjaynes1503 yeah the usability of my G9 is miles apart from the mess that A7III menus are. If only they fixed couple of the big lacking things that are missing like proper video autofocus .. the still side seems to be getting there. Allso the Leica TAX lenses do not help Panasonic. Make your own PRO Line without the Leica TAX. perhaps they cannot. Are their hands tied with some contracts with Leica. who knows.
Even if Sony didn't license out the specific tech, on-sensor phase-detect pixels aren't a new technology and they are all over the place on tons of sensors. It's literally just a partial blackout masking of the pixels. You can always write your own algorithms to handle it... most of the genius behind various systems' AF is in the software, not the mere existence of pixels. I don't see any reason why they couldn't solve it without having to license something.
@Daniel Hughes Assuming you are talking about the standard half-masked pixels for PDAF, then yes, this is true. Because you are basically cutting off half the photosite from absorbing light, you get a worse noise performance relative to that one subpixel. In the early era of mirrorless, this wasn't too bad because PDAF pixels only accounted for 1% of the photosites... but in this era with the AF that has to cover the entire sensor and perform well means AF regions themselves have to be pretty large, that's harder. In theory, Canon's solution with Dual-pixel photosites where instead of masking should be better. You just have two smaller floating bodies in the same subpixel. Minimal impact on noise because you don't sacrifice light absorption on the photosite... but the biggest problem is manufacturing cost. I suspect that Panasonic's DFD has a lot invested in it, so there may be a sunk cost consideration here. The main thing that means that all CDAF will hunt vs. PDAF is the fact that phase differences have signs (negative or positive), whereas contrast differences don't... The theoretical upper limit of CDAF is superior to that of PDAF, but PDAF can work in situations of low contrast as well... and of course, users find the hunting more undesirable, especially in video. A hybrid contrast+phase might well be really good in that it can give you the best of both worlds, but I am not aware of companies exploring this at any large scale.
@@martinsuen3153 Use histogram/zebras/EV meter for exposure control... regardless of lcd brightness setting on ANY camera. Certainly you're not claiming this Panny S5 gives accurate exposure with a brighter lcd setting... Are you?
@@ctphotographx Nah I'm just complaining about my A7iii's trash LCD, compared with my Z6's, which won't messed around with highlights while adjusting brightness.
@@martinsuen3153 "And makes you think everything's overexposed" a7iii and trash LCD, you are a trash photographer if screen brightness is a exposure control for you. Amateur haha
@@Dar1usz Everyone knows histogram/zebras/EV meter. But if you are comfortable with A7iii's LCD, that might just be what you deserved! Who knows if you're using a phone from 2008 or not, or even with eye issue. I will not judge, for sure.
Perfect blend of technology, production value and intimacy/fun - loved your homage Chelsea and good-natured poke at Tony in the comment... plus real men like Tony enjoy a good-natured prod 😎
Appreciate your thoughts on this one guys. The S5 looks a tidy package in some ways with decent photo/video features. There are some decent looking new lenses on the way soon too, I just need a super telephoto for wildlife though! I laughed when you were trying to set up the eye detection on the Sony-in the real world, by the time you find the menu item the model has gone home!
There is a good deal on the Panasonic right now with a £200 cashback and a free 50mm f1.8 lens thrown in when you buy an S5 + 12-60 kit from one of the major UK retailers, but I don't _need_ a new camera right now, and even if it is a huge upgrade over my current FZ1000, I feel it might be worth waiting this one out. The GH6 has many amazing new features that eventually will trickle down into the S6(?) some day, so perhaps I'll hold off for that. By the way, you mention lack of lenses, but surely it is L-mount. Doesn't that mean that all L-mount lenses will work great (though of course the APS-C ones would need to be cropped), not just the new Panasonic S series lenses specifically released now that they went full frame?
Looks like Panasonic released an A7III 2.5 years after Sony did - though focus still doesn't look as fast or as accurate. Those portrait photos of Chelsea were not sharp on the eye. BTW, nice B-roll. Some of the scenes filmed with R5 in the shade looked REALLY nice but the others with the bright sky were super blown (more than I've seen in similar cameras). Not criticizing, just my observations. Cheers.
Bear in mind they're looking at JPEGs from the Panasonic, versus probably RAWs from the Sony. Once you factor that in, I think their conclusion that the sharpness is the same is probably right.
I like how you compared it to the A7iii. Most reviews are comparing it to the A7Siii and R6 even though body alone on those are at least $1000 more than the S5 kit. Only gripe I have about Panasonic is that at least in my area, they have pretty much little to no local support/presence in the camera shops. Everything is on at least 1 week special order, and they don't provide demos of lenses and cameras to stores.
got it :-) replaced my old gx85 15mm f1.7 after several years which has eventually died on me. So far iam happy with my s5 - took me 1 1/2 years to purchase a new camera xDD. From the moment I´ve seen the s5 for the first time i thought yeah that´s it - as said few days ago (think last thursday) I went to the dealer - picked it up - felt right & purchased it straight away
The colours and Menus and usability of the Panasonic are two steps further. If they improve the Autofocus again with the firmware updates and have some 300/500mm lenses they should be a real contender. BTW if you do stylisch Portraits, either with the Sigma or the Panasonic Fast glass or even the Leica one. you see some marvellous separation of the sharp parts from the unsharp parts. Its like someone has naturally popped the sharp object 3 dimensional out of the photo. A real classic effect. Same picture with a sony GM Master is at least as sharp but does not have this 3 dimensional natural effect and looks flat compared to the Lumix picture. The 50mm Panasonic, the 85mm 1.4 Sigma or the 2.0 90mm Leica show this effect best.
I was wondering. I've had A7iii for a while now and I noticed one thing. AF-C works much better and faster than AF-S, even for a stationary objects. And that's one of the main reasons why I switched to back button autofocus (so that I would get AF-C focus speed and accuracy but with AF-S capability). I was wondering if anyone else noticed this?
I take photos... I don't blog. In my case... Panasonic is a clear winner. IF... you do the video thing, they just aren't there yet with full frame. Let us pray for a software upgrade to help.
It appears to be a much more robust reliable camera than much of the competition with strong video options, a growing lens range. Bang for buck it offers the greatest set of features. The AF is pretty great, maybe not for vlogging but as a filmmaker AF pretty much always goes off when filming subjects. I'd happily save the money from a bloated R5, grab this and upgrade the rest of my kit with what's left over. Smart budgeting is always at the forefront of my decision making.
Chris...it would be better to run to the subject and DRAW it,rather than use the Panasonic AF.Just use your cellphone instead...In fact,let me get me a SVHS camcorder and push pause,digitize it,and use that..
@Epic Rhino Films this was NOT an A7SIII!! Just a plain old A7III. New Sony A7SIII is way better than the A7III was. It just shows how far Sony is ahead of Panasonic's AF.
@Epic Rhino Films those who already have something they will always love it and usually will be a bit subjective to anything else. I only want to say that autofocus is not everything when people choosign a camera - ergonomics, menu, video resolution and codec formats, price for lenses, firmware updates, RAW output, high res mode, battery life, overheating, etc should be considered as well )
I've been researching the Lumix S5, the Sony a7 iii, and the Canon EOS R for the past month, attempting to determine the best all-purpose camera from those choices. At this point, it's still a challenging decision, and I need to continue the research. However, I think this video helped me narrow my options between the S5 and the EOS R. Thank you for this!
If you plan on doing any professional video, having owned all 3 I would recommend the S5. 4k 60fps, 10bit 422 internally and 5.9k raw via external recorder. Not to mention as Chelsea pointed out the lcd on a7iii is very difficult to see in day light. I had this experience at a commercial shoot years ago and ultimately sold it because of it. If your only concern is photography then the a7iii or Eos R will work just fine.
Just been getting my Panasonic S5. It arrived Saturday and I sent it back Monday as the IBIS wasn't working at all. I also have a second gripe, there are no lenses with I.O.S. under £1k the glass is so fucking expensive it's not even funny. So you're stuck with the un-stabilized kit lens which kicks into touch the "Dual I.S." you were so looking forward to using if you don't have extremely deep pockets. The L-Mount Alliance is a joke the lenses available are very very expensive and I had great trouble finding even a few with O.I.S. So I'm seriously reconsidering my purchase. The upsides are the image and colour from this lens is gorgeous the video features are amazing and with an external video recorder monitor like the Blackmagic Video assist or the ATOMOS NINJA you get 6K RAW. And you may need that external recorder because the codecs straight out of the camera just freeze my video editing beast of a computer. I have 24GB of RAM, SSD Storage, A 1080Ti GPU and a 12 Core EXTREME processor. No dice with the FULL FRAME 10 Bit 422 Long Gop MOV files. Doesn't wanna know.
as usual with Panasonic : amazing camera, amazing video, great lens and The most horrible autofocus. I really don't understand them, why they don't see their autofocus make people run away to other brands?
Well I feel like they still focus on filmmakers and not youtubers. And mean people who are trying to shoot movies, short films and stuff like that. You wouldn’t use autofocus there. But That’s just my opinion
@@MalachiSan yep, you are correct....and their focus peaking is tremendous....the AF in the APSC mode looks terrific (good enough for gimbals), and for full frame...just manually focus with focus peaking...or I"m sure if you put it on manual, the tap to focus probably works great to get that initial focus.
@@thatsreallyamoon yep, I think theyre trying to compete with the Xt4 and a7iii, heck with their prores raw coming in...they can compete with the bmpcc4k and 6k even
Wow, the screen difference is night and day, thanks for that. I've always felt Sony's screens really aren't very good, which is strange because they're tech/engineering is top notch otherwise.
@@brelliace6425 Probably true, Sony upgrades so frequently and they often iterate on hardware. But I've owned several Sony camera, the RX1, RX100, and RX100 V and used the a7 series - they've consistently had poor LCDs compared to other brands, mainly in terms of contrast and brightness.
I am following somebody on flickr, who shoots with the S5 - He doesn’t do much post processing and the colors are always very beautiful. That is why I started to read articles and watch videos concerning this camera, the pricing is ridiculously low at the moment and if I would start again, I would choose this cam.
I became a photographer watching you guys. I went from a guy having a camera to a (pretty good) wedding photographer and videographer. Keep doing the awesome work guys! If you're ever in Guyana, let me know!!
I own your book!! Thanks!! I like it! I am glad to know the autofocus has improved, although Gerald Undone said otherwise. As a previous owner of Lumix cameras, I am very excited with this one. I am disappointed with having only UHS-I and other UHS-II, but not a big deal. I am glad you mentioned Panasonic is now in the game as a nice contender! Thanks for your review, highly appreciated!
Panasonic has great strength in video stabilization that alone is gonna turn around alot of videographers easily. And it outputs 10 bit, which is only available on A7sIII alone now. That has an edge to Sony if you only shoot video, but the focus here made it not standing that much out. It is rather a very similar system to Sony except that one point being stabilization. As you will basically have the same kind of lens ecosystem where sigma will be the value lens packing great quality at lower tier price compared to the official S line premiums, just like sigma vs G master for sony. But if you go for Panasonic those are pretty much what you're gonna be stuck with at the moment. If that is the case many will lose out as Sony has huge advantages from those Zeiss lenses. As I sat in home looking back through all my archives of images and touch them up again, I actually dug out a ton of images done with Zeiss lens that I overlooked which turned out to be easily top of my portfolio material after editing. The sony GMs are just as sharp and contrast almost to those zeiss lens but it lacks that final touch of color rendering and has a more cooler tint compared to the zeiss which suggests they're not as balanced color wise. The only regret is at the moment there is nothing beyond 135mm for zeiss for sony e mount. But other than those are the special strength of Sony's lens as those are about as sharp as sigma or even GM, offers a unique and likable rendering of images and colors, and is much lighter and portable than the Sigma/GM. And they don't lose out in value as well as those are not hugely costing and flows in second hand market constantly. Great for switching. I started out with mostly GM lenses as I knew the importance of lens in a system more than the body. But given another chance, I probably save those costs and just start out with the zeiss primes.
The thing about Lumix AF is you have to know how to use it. If you use the right mode, and directed area, the results are bound to be much better than what you see here. But I wish they would just give up and install PDAF like everyone else. If they did that, they would have the best cameras by a mile. It is a source of eternal frustration that they won't.
Panasonic are ruling the waves.. ergonomics, operating system, new l mount lenses popping up in 22, and getting cheaper, finally.. oh and the colour tones are to die for. Did I mention dual iso for low noise. I can shoot up to 6400 iso without even considering any noise reducing software.
OK, you two kids are having way too much fun !!! I own the A7 III and the A9, and have been very happy with the results. I am way too old to make changes in bodies and glass, but I think any camera will do what you want it to, if you just take the time to learn the camera. I know that you have a lot of cameras you are testing, and that is fine. Just enjoy taking photographs more and thinking about hardware less. I have no issues with whichever works best for you (and yes I bought your book, and it is a great read. I have been taking photographs for nearly 54 years), but I read everything, because there is always something new to learn from other photographers out there, and if you are not learning, you are stagnant....and I am too old to remain stagnant.....at this stage in my life, that could happen without my help !! Cheers.
Panasonic has great "color science" and they aren't far off from Canon on back screen and menus. At 60fps the video focus works. 30fps is bad and 24fps unusable. I haven't seen the autofocus at 120fps like the S1H can do, that might be the fastest of any camera.
@@johnkevin7992 The A7S3 is a video only camera. I need Canon to uncripple the R5 - which records audio in 4k 120 but Canon won't let you have it - or wait on the A7R5. This Pansonic doesn't have the megapixels I need for stills. I don't have $8,000 for camera bodies.
Drumming Tee GH5 changed it so it focused during the idle time. Wonder why they don’t do it on their full frame cameras. Regressions on newer cameras is lazy and bad for reputation.
@@DrummingTmate you shouldn't need to shoot at a higher fps to make it work. That's a lame idea. Yes let me try to film my short film in all 60fps, because that looks the same as 24 or 30 🙄
@@RiceCubeTech I agree with you, but for review purposes a lot of people who shoot video like 60p best so they should know the camera will focus for them.
LUMIX S5 VIDEO SHOOTERS PSA: Issue: Glitchy, pixelated lines in the image when using HDMI. Lines of different lengths appearing in different parts of the image a single frame at a time. Long story short. I have been chasing this issue for a couple of months now. Returned my original S5 for a new one, sent my Ninja V in for repair, was sent back with a clean bill of health. Bought the $60 Atomos cable, the issue persists. I originally thought the issue was unique to 5.9K ProRes RAW, turns out, that these lines show up when using the HDMI out in-general. The 12bit 5.9K ProRes Raw image out of this setup is unbelievably good and more than useable for any professional production. But this issue makes the camera impossible to trust for paid work when recording over HDMI. I have found many other users with the same issue, including a thread of comments here on Spence Sakurai's review of the camera. IF YOU ARE HAVING THIS ISSUE, PLEASE REPORT IT TO PANASONIC SO THAT THEY TAKE THE ISSUE SERIOUSLY.
Thank you for this video. That is how you do a short camera review. You go out and take pictures with it and then show us, not only the result, but also the small quirks you find in using the cameras. You didn't cover everything, but that is okay, as it's only a short review. And you had fun doing it, it seemed - so please...
Already got the books, the Panasonic looks very good for 2k that's a steal honestly and at least it has touch screen functionality, a flippy screen and a simplified menu system. The AF needs work but it's decent. Those are the things that spoiled me with canon and why I find it hard leaving the canon 📷 system for another. I don't handle frustration very well. 😂 Tony you can't let Chelsea out sing you. Lol Chelsea is great. I enjoyed this video, it was good for my mental health. 🙌♥️
The ALTSON EF-L Mount Converter enables the use of Canon EF-mount lenses on L-mount mirrorless camera bodies, and maintains full lens performance, including autofocus in AF-S mode, as well as in-camera correction and image stabilization technologies.
Nice funny video, very good review. I believe that the Panasonic is almost there with the Sony in many aspects, but the lack of tracking is damaging. Also Sony should come with a A7. IV using the technology from the A7S III. (new viewfinder, new cards etc). For new people, then, entering the Sony ecosystem seems far a better idea to me.
This is a very useful comparison of these two cameras. The only thing is you need to work on your audio. It was really mixed up. I heard lavalier, shotgun, and voiceover, all mixed in odd ways and at different volumes. Why did I notice? Because even though I have more than a dozen shows on Amazon Prime, I still suffer from bad audio capture - especially when I'm filming outdoors.
He made it especially hard for the autofocus because his head was only 1/3 in the frame when he came closer. Still bad autofocus I agree, but as soon as his eyes are not in the upper 1/5 of the screen the camera got the focus right pretty fast. I would lose to see that shot with a better framing. That shot was harsh on the AF
Sold my s1r and all my S pro lenses to get more RF lenses. Lumix s pro lenses are better than anything canon/sony/sigma/nikon are producing but that AF is just a shame. All the defenders of oh AFS works fine. It's 2020 AFS should work fine. A cellphone from 10 years ago has fast working AFS.
IT actually is, not mention is that A7III has a AA filter which literally makes IQ worse. S5 doesnt. Sony is dethroned. Also with the S5 it has actual weather sealing. With Sony I get worried if it starts raining 100 miles away lol
@@buleulek5153 I mean asking that question makes me wonder if they know what they are talking about. The Panasonic cameras don't have working autofocus for video - it is totally unreliable and to compare them with the best selling full frame camera in the world is like comparing a Black and White TV with Colour and saying "its a very sharp picture on the Black and White TV"
it seems to me that the focus is very difficult. From minute 5:13 to minute 5:18 you didn't find the focus and it was all blur. And the 4.52 minute to the 5.07 minute you were completely blurred ... (there are 15 seconds in which everything was blurred, including you). That's supposed to be very bad at a room like this, right?
Thanks for this review. I am undecided about which mirror-less camera to buy and I was eager to see this new Lumix because of the range of L mount lenses. But the AF demo was a killer for me. Off my list!
THERE IS A 30 MIN RECORDING LIMIT IN 10 BIT MODES!! People need to know that before buying. It can be bypassed by recording externally but it does have one.
Its not "might" if you look at the actual specs, the s5 trumps the a7iii in all areas than continuous autofocus in video and tracking fast moving subjects. It beats the a7iii is performance, user experience, video where they failed to mention the huge difference in video output. The song yes can output 4k30, but that's only 8bit 4.2.0 if I'm not mistaken at up to 100mbps. The Panasonic offers 4k30 at 10bit 4.2.2, giving an unbelievable advantage in comparison where you will be able to actually colour grade without the image falling apart. It also offers cinema 4k DCI, ProRes raw through HDMI, anamorphic, etc. In terms of photography they're basically the same, which is not that surprising eeing as no one has really innovated the photography area in quite some time. The Panasonic is definitely better than the a7iii. However time will tell with the a7iv as I suspect that will be pretty darn good.
@@VforVallee To you. Not all of us need or use gimbals regularly. There are also work arounds if you are skilled enough, using a gimbal with a follow focus unit. Autofocus can be as much as a friend as it is a crutch. Besides with the S5s 6 1/2 stops of stabilisation. You don't really need a gimbal as it is... Having owned a GH5 for the past few years I have found the images I get from a glide cam to look better anyway. This is also excluding the fact that that's one single use case that you are claiming makes the entire camera useless. Perhaps its useless to you. To many of use who don't rely on autofocus when using video and often manual focus. Its not a big deal. What is a big deal is the a7iiis horrible video codec, 8bit video that falls apart with just the slightest touch when trying to colour grade, although it is subjective, I'm not a big fan of Sony's colours. They're too cool, or I guess surgical, although not a huge issues shooting raw photos, but with the 8bit video it ain't great. Also the general user experience, menus, functionality, lack of customisation, too much time spent in menus. The back screen is both low resolution and horribly dark and hard to view outside. Its prone to over heating. Has only a flip screen, not a fully articulated screen, which can be an issue when using your treasured gimbal. Despite these flaws, and reasons I personally haven't liked the a7iii, it is still a freaking awesome camera and I can see why it's so popular. Just at this point the Panasonic is objectively better, excluding continuous autofocus.
Jock Turner “Lack of customization” “8bit color codec falls apart after the slightest touch” “Can’t see the screen” Dude you’ve never used this camera, trust me none of those things are true, not even in the slightest. I love that 8 bit is this thing Panasonic users parrot when comparing the two but then they go and upload their stuff online which, guess what, compressed everything down to 8bit 😂. That bit in this video where she can’t see the screen it’s too dim, I think her brain is too dim, you literally just turn on sunny mode and if you can’t see it outdoors you’re blind. The menus are so easy to use it’s mind blowing people coming from other systems get lost in them, oh wait, nvm they’re lost cause they’re coming from another system! And no, as good as the ibis is in that thing it would never compare to a gimbal! You serious!? And no follow focus systems are absolutely not a solution to having terrible AF, these mirrorless cameras use focus by wire lenses which render a follow focus system useless, because focus pulling is not repeatable using these lenses, not to mention how ridiculously cumbersome that is to use (having used one on many shoots with Cine Lenses believe me I know). Bottom line, if you’re worried about 10bit vs 8bit and codec quality and using a dedicated focus pulling system with cine lenses, I feel like you should straight up just buy a cine camera, because the step up from 8bit to 10bit and 4:2:0 to 4:2:2 are so minute and once you hit upload to UA-cam none of it matters anyways, so you must be shooting for broadcasting or television I would assume, which again, these prosumer mirrorless bodies aren’t for that. I need a camera I can operate by myself. Run and gun style. This is why AF is so important. But like you said it’s all subjective.
@@VforVallee @VforVallee I'm glad that is what you need it for and how you use it. Not an attack on your preference of camera, mate. You like and value the features that the a7iii provides. As I mentioned in my previous comment it is a bloody good camera. However for my needs and preferences it's not my preferred device. I have indeed used an a7iii, having shot a music video where on production we used my gh5, an a7iii and an Arri Amira. Of the 3 cameras, of course the amira was the best experience, however extremely heavy and a few shots it was not viable. When comparing colour science, the overall look of the image in comparison to the Amira the gh5 was by far the best. With a more robust codec, better colours. When shooting with it, the owner of the a7iii was our camera operator for the day even admitted that he would consider moving to the Lumix because it was much easier, quicker and smarter to operate. All important functions were quick to select on the go, the screen was way better and over all camera options were better. I also go shooting photos regularly with a friend who uses an a7iii and often find it hard to view his images on his display outside, when compared to my gh5 which I can see easily. We all have use cases and needs. The Panasonic have always filled my needs to the T. I don't need autofocus, I have always been trained to manual focus and know how to work around it. You prefer solid autofocus and quality video output. I prefer robust codecs and a camera that isn't prone to overheating, with great stabilisation and generally a camera the is prepared almost every situation I put it in. At the end of the day. My first statement still stands. Objectively, the s5 is better than the a7iii, other than auto focus. Whether or not that means the camera is useful for your needs or not is irrelevant. The camera doesn't fit into your needs and workflow the way the a7iii does. That's great, it's a killer camera and very well deserves its acclaim. But you are trying to tell me that a camera that fills my needs and gets me inspired to shoot and create is useless. Frankly you don't really have any say in that, because it's not useless... Also, I just had a look at you channel because I thought you looked familiar. I have watched a few videos in the past, and I must say, you make great content :) stay safe
If Panasonic would just switch to a good autofocus system they would have the best hybrid cameras. Sadly, after years of making excuses I’m done with Lumix and I’m moving to the A7S3.
GH5 owner here, this S5 is a bad joke. I don’t see where in the market it fits. If someone wants a full frame camera 24 MP photo camera with good video go get the Sony A7III. If you are just looking for 24 MP photos get the A7II for less than $1,000 with a kit lens included. If you want the S1 get the S1 and a good lens you’ll be happier. I don’t see or understand where this S5 fits. Also with its limited autofocus, why would GH5 users switch to it? We would have to buy EVERYTHING new! Quite frankly if I’m buying everything new I’m going to be looking at a other brands.
I've been saying this for a looong time, You don't buy Panasonic for AF or you shouldn't expect good AF. Full frame or m43 AF is not there. Having said that I'm keeping my g9s. S5 doesn't have anything the g9 can't do
Great comparison video! I'm not really considering buying either of these cameras, but it's always fun to see how cameras stand against each other. By the way, the colors rendered by the Panny look noticeably oversaturated compared to those from the Sony. Personally, I like picture with a lot of color...but I'm not sure if this this much is nice.
*I'd LOVE to get the Panasonic S1 but....I'm rocking the G85 and the G7 as I'm still a beginner, but at least I know what to expect when I EVENTUALLY get one.*
Awesome review!! But that autofocus section of the video was horrendous. I can't believe a camera company would even think to release a camera with AF like that.
the depth of field of the bokeh of the Panasonic is incredible ... it's like a blur from near to infinity. Panasonic should fine-tune its video autofocus technology.
Depth of field literally has nothing to do with a particular camera body......it's all just sensor size, focal length of the lens, distance to your subject, and f-stop
Guys! RealIy? Comparing a 2.5 year old A7iii to a new camera? That’s like 100 dog years. The A7iii street price is $1600 (Abe’s of Maine, last week.) So, a fair comparison would account for a $400 difference in street price.
Hopefully Panasonic support this camera with plenty of firmware updates - the GH5/G9 have MUCH better continuous AF performance now vs their initial release firmware. I wish they’d switch to PDAF though (or some sort of hybrid solution even)
I find that flash lag happens only with Godox/Flashpoint O type triggers (regardless of settings). If you use a trigger for a different camera that's not sending coms to the camera the shutter lag disappears (but you lose TTL of course). I've talked to both Godox and Panasonic about this and they both blame the other! Perhaps you could give them a bit of a nudge for me.....
I laughed at you struggling with the Sony because I borrowed it to film a wedding and had the same experience. The AF is funny depending on the reviewer, it can be made to seem good despite a growing consensus its bad. Your review seems more honest. The lens choices are limited and expensive. I've read with Sigma lens adapter there's no continuous AF. For 2k and all the great features I want to like this camera but the AF/lenses is a non starter at least for me.
As a longtime Sony user, I have to say that my liking for its jpgs only improved after I set it up to portrait -1/-1/0 contrast/saturation/sharpness, exposure at -0.3 or -0.7 and AWB(ambient). I felt that both the standard and vivid profiles sooc were a hot mess and unflattering to humanity. :S
I use a G9 for street and landscape. Still debating on a S5 or S1. AF depends on what type of photographer you are. I don’t see people running to shoot sports or red carpet events.
Does the video CAF get any better if you stop down to F5.6 or higher? For a company known for its video capabilities, they really should be ashamed of the CAF in video.
Sony a7iii was released early 2018 but S5 hasn't been released yet (09/2020) not a fare comparison however it's great to have another camera company stepping up.
I'm looking for a stand alone 4K camera. What do you recommend in that category? I used to have a Sony AX100 which I liked at lot, but I'm looking for something more technologically advanced than that now. I have a nice 48" 4K television and would like to see something shot in 4k with current 4k cameras.
Wow...Chelsea owned this whole episode... Rocking the tunes and calling out like she saw it!!... If Olympus would make a full frame version of their OM 1 D Mark III...(or whatever the hell the official name is..)... It would completely smoke these two.... Hybrid focus and a complete huge rack of extra photographic goodies.... That's the camera that the L Mount needs..
I was gonna make a snarky comment about the Panasonic but I lost focus.
Ayeeee
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That was the most tasteful joke and jab I've read in a while. Well played🤣
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9:22 ok this is pathetic ridiculus
SOLD! my Purchase Order for the S5 Kit is in.
I am taking a lot more video these days and the S5 is the perfect camera for this. Way beyond what one could have imagined even a few years ago.
Features, size, quality and value is just unbeatable.
I started taking photos 45 years ago when all SLR's were manual focus. So getting the S5 to focus will not be an issue. I think that people see that the autofocus is not perfect and fob the camera off as worthless. That's never the case and you may just have to work a little harder to find out how to get the focus when and how you want it. I am not into sports photography so no issue here.
Tony & Chelsea in their rush to get views pushed out this video without really learning to operate the camera. This was evident when Tony had to help Chelsea with the settings for the portrait shot.
There are other UA-cam videos on the S5 that demonstrate that the autofocus was not as bad as depicted here. It's very common to have "experts" on UA-cam reviewing gear without even reading the manual. So called "modern photographers" are too precious these days are not willing to work for their shots. People just want the equivalent of an instamatic these days and buy sophisticated DSLRs so they can call themselves a professional arteest.
OK now let's do the maths.
Th Panasonic S5 here in the land of OZ is selling RRP for $3,199.
For $500 more you will get the 20-60mm lens kit. The 20-60mm lens is selling individually for $1,099. Plus if purchased before the end of Sept you can redeem the Sigma 45mm lens valued at approx $900.
The S5 with the two lenses comes to $3,699 [US$2,692] and you are getting $2,000 worth of lenses. Therefore you are only really paying $1,699 [US$1,236] for the S5 body.
I was able to get another hundred dollars off the deal which makes it even sweeter.
Where in the world would find such amazing value for such a great kit?
In years to come when the S5 is an antique, you can always sell or pass on the body to someone else and keep the L glass.
People this purchase is a no brainer.
Tony: "because ISO is fake." Nice one slipping that in there.
It’s actually quite ridiculous that he still keeps saying that.
Can you please explain that further?
@@Universal_Craftsman Iso invariance, basically new cameras with good dynamic range can be shot at base iso the boost the exposure in post to get the same image quality
@@jillianangell2570 But why should I do that, if I could shoot at auto ISO, if I shoot at ISO 100 at night I don't have a preview.
@@Universal_Craftsman It's so that you can underexpose to preserve more highlights in extremely contrasty situations.
The AF on video struggles. It's the 5th review of S5 I'm watching and I have a clear conclusion by now... The AF on video struggles.
I bet time is running out for Panasonic for beeing stubborn like they are. They could have the best featured cameras on the planet if they fixed the lacking AF performance, added more power efficient cpus and made more good non Leica tax lenses.
Brelliace Lack of ip for hybrid autofocus > stubborness. Pretty sure they hear us considering they’ve consistently gave us video features we ask for. Tis the way of business when you have you buy sensors from another company
The Sigma 100-400 is available natively in the L-mount, so they do have >200mm reach, but only one option.
Sigma doesn't exist to Tony and Chelsea.
Leica has a 90-280 L mount lens but you have to have deep pockets. The Sigma has range extenders of 1.5X and 2X that gives added range.
I have the 100-400 it’s awesome.
my experience is (backed up by many other reviewers) that S5 at crop outperforms A7 III every time. and in full it is head to head. not to mention A7 cannot output even 10 bit while s5 can externally output 12bit and 10 (4:2:2!) internaly. these are uncomparable machines. both top models but a7 clearly showing its age...
Thanks for the video. This was a pretty fair and even-handed description of the S5's capabilities and limitations. One general question for anyone who might know: can focusing systems be improved with a firmware upgrade or is the S5 stuck with its current system? Thanks again, KB.
Did you ever find out the answer to this question?
Panasonic is literally just great autofocus away from having possibly the best cameras out there, makes no sense why they just won't do it? 🤷♂️🤦♂️
100% agree! Their camera body design and empowering controls make the user feel in charge, we just cannot rely on contrast autofocus. I would have got the S1 months ago if it had phase detection. PANASONIC, PLEASE TAKE NOTE!
@@adamjaynes1503 yeah the usability of my G9 is miles apart from the mess that A7III menus are. If only they fixed couple of the big lacking things that are missing like proper video autofocus .. the still side seems to be getting there. Allso the Leica TAX lenses do not help Panasonic. Make your own PRO Line without the Leica TAX. perhaps they cannot. Are their hands tied with some contracts with Leica. who knows.
Something to do with Sony not licensing their autofocus system on their sensor to panasonic so i hear.
Even if Sony didn't license out the specific tech, on-sensor phase-detect pixels aren't a new technology and they are all over the place on tons of sensors. It's literally just a partial blackout masking of the pixels. You can always write your own algorithms to handle it... most of the genius behind various systems' AF is in the software, not the mere existence of pixels. I don't see any reason why they couldn't solve it without having to license something.
@Daniel Hughes Assuming you are talking about the standard half-masked pixels for PDAF, then yes, this is true. Because you are basically cutting off half the photosite from absorbing light, you get a worse noise performance relative to that one subpixel. In the early era of mirrorless, this wasn't too bad because PDAF pixels only accounted for 1% of the photosites... but in this era with the AF that has to cover the entire sensor and perform well means AF regions themselves have to be pretty large, that's harder.
In theory, Canon's solution with Dual-pixel photosites where instead of masking should be better. You just have two smaller floating bodies in the same subpixel. Minimal impact on noise because you don't sacrifice light absorption on the photosite... but the biggest problem is manufacturing cost.
I suspect that Panasonic's DFD has a lot invested in it, so there may be a sunk cost consideration here. The main thing that means that all CDAF will hunt vs. PDAF is the fact that phase differences have signs (negative or positive), whereas contrast differences don't... The theoretical upper limit of CDAF is superior to that of PDAF, but PDAF can work in situations of low contrast as well... and of course, users find the hunting more undesirable, especially in video. A hybrid contrast+phase might well be really good in that it can give you the best of both worlds, but I am not aware of companies exploring this at any large scale.
Sunny weather mode on the a7III LCD is available, crazy bright, and quite nice.
And makes you think everything's overexposed
@@martinsuen3153 Use histogram/zebras/EV meter for exposure control... regardless of lcd brightness setting on ANY camera.
Certainly you're not claiming this Panny S5 gives accurate exposure with a brighter lcd setting... Are you?
@@ctphotographx Nah I'm just complaining about my A7iii's trash LCD, compared with my Z6's, which won't messed around with highlights while adjusting brightness.
@@martinsuen3153 "And makes you think everything's overexposed" a7iii and trash LCD, you are a trash photographer if screen brightness is a exposure control for you. Amateur haha
@@Dar1usz Everyone knows histogram/zebras/EV meter. But if you are comfortable with A7iii's LCD, that might just be what you deserved! Who knows if you're using a phone from 2008 or not, or even with eye issue. I will not judge, for sure.
Perfect blend of technology, production value and intimacy/fun - loved your homage Chelsea and good-natured poke at Tony in the comment... plus real men like Tony enjoy a good-natured prod 😎
4:55 very poor focusing, it took forever , not acceptable
Whoa. Terrible.
Yeah, that shot right there made me go, "OOF!".
exactly..it might be better if you shook the camera and held down the shutter..
I think he didn’t set it on eyes & head focus
I never cringed before on a focus test...til now @4:54
Appreciate your thoughts on this one guys. The S5 looks a tidy package in some ways with decent photo/video features. There are some decent looking new lenses on the way soon too, I just need a super telephoto for wildlife though! I laughed when you were trying to set up the eye detection on the Sony-in the real world, by the time you find the menu item the model has gone home!
Add the Sigma and Leica lenses. The Sigma lens set actually makes me want to buy into the system
Leica can't be beat when it comes to glass
There is a good deal on the Panasonic right now with a £200 cashback and a free 50mm f1.8 lens thrown in when you buy an S5 + 12-60 kit from one of the major UK retailers, but I don't _need_ a new camera right now, and even if it is a huge upgrade over my current FZ1000, I feel it might be worth waiting this one out. The GH6 has many amazing new features that eventually will trickle down into the S6(?) some day, so perhaps I'll hold off for that.
By the way, you mention lack of lenses, but surely it is L-mount. Doesn't that mean that all L-mount lenses will work great (though of course the APS-C ones would need to be cropped), not just the new Panasonic S series lenses specifically released now that they went full frame?
Looks like Panasonic released an A7III 2.5 years after Sony did - though focus still doesn't look as fast or as accurate. Those portrait photos of Chelsea were not sharp on the eye. BTW, nice B-roll. Some of the scenes filmed with R5 in the shade looked REALLY nice but the others with the bright sky were super blown (more than I've seen in similar cameras). Not criticizing, just my observations. Cheers.
@@joaocorreiamedia true and it has a few other minor advantages as well. I guess that's what 2.5 years gets you.
Bear in mind they're looking at JPEGs from the Panasonic, versus probably RAWs from the Sony. Once you factor that in, I think their conclusion that the sharpness is the same is probably right.
4:40 autofocus can be made more snappy : video>focus>AF custom settings>Set>crank both values to 5
I like how you compared it to the A7iii. Most reviews are comparing it to the A7Siii and R6 even though body alone on those are at least $1000 more than the S5 kit. Only gripe I have about Panasonic is that at least in my area, they have pretty much little to no local support/presence in the camera shops. Everything is on at least 1 week special order, and they don't provide demos of lenses and cameras to stores.
got it :-) replaced my old gx85 15mm f1.7 after several years which has eventually died on me. So far iam happy with my s5 - took me 1 1/2 years to purchase a new camera xDD.
From the moment I´ve seen the s5 for the first time i thought yeah that´s it - as said few days ago (think last thursday) I went to the dealer - picked it up - felt right & purchased it straight away
The colours and Menus and usability of the Panasonic are two steps further. If they improve the Autofocus again with the firmware updates and have some 300/500mm lenses they should be a real contender. BTW if you do stylisch Portraits, either with the Sigma or the Panasonic Fast glass or even the Leica one. you see some marvellous separation of the sharp parts from the unsharp parts. Its like someone has naturally popped the sharp object 3 dimensional out of the photo. A real classic effect. Same picture with a sony GM Master is at least as sharp but does not have this 3 dimensional natural effect and looks flat compared to the Lumix picture. The 50mm Panasonic, the 85mm 1.4 Sigma or the 2.0 90mm Leica show this effect best.
The transition music sounds like a detective show from the 70s.
It was cool
Ah, but no screeching car tires around every corner.
I was wondering. I've had A7iii for a while now and I noticed one thing. AF-C works much better and faster than AF-S, even for a stationary objects. And that's one of the main reasons why I switched to back button autofocus (so that I would get AF-C focus speed and accuracy but with AF-S capability). I was wondering if anyone else noticed this?
Yes i agree (same on the A7R3 too)
I've noticed this on few E-Mount lenses
it is definitely so and I am in this region
I take photos... I don't blog. In my case... Panasonic is a clear winner. IF... you do the video thing, they just aren't there yet with full frame. Let us pray for a software upgrade to help.
It appears to be a much more robust reliable camera than much of the competition with strong video options, a growing lens range. Bang for buck it offers the greatest set of features. The AF is pretty great, maybe not for vlogging but as a filmmaker AF pretty much always goes off when filming subjects. I'd happily save the money from a bloated R5, grab this and upgrade the rest of my kit with what's left over. Smart budgeting is always at the forefront of my decision making.
LOL that AF is so PATHETIC!!!! I will keep my Two year old Sony A7III!!!!!
Chris...it would be better to run to the subject and DRAW it,rather than use the Panasonic AF.Just use your cellphone instead...In fact,let me get me a SVHS camcorder and push pause,digitize it,and use that..
@Epic Rhino Films this was NOT an A7SIII!! Just a plain old A7III. New Sony A7SIII is way better than the A7III was. It just shows how far Sony is ahead of Panasonic's AF.
@Epic Rhino Films those who already have something they will always love it and usually will be a bit subjective to anything else. I only want to say that autofocus is not everything when people choosign a camera - ergonomics, menu, video resolution and codec formats, price for lenses, firmware updates, RAW output, high res mode, battery life, overheating, etc should be considered as well )
Epic Rhino Films Its a bit hard to compare the NX series considering they are like the equiv to a smartphone camera lmao
Chris Barr Jeez calm down. Dude was expressing the same point. People like you make us Sony users look bad 😂
I've been researching the Lumix S5, the Sony a7 iii, and the Canon EOS R for the past month, attempting to determine the best all-purpose camera from those choices. At this point, it's still a challenging decision, and I need to continue the research. However, I think this video helped me narrow my options between the S5 and the EOS R. Thank you for this!
A7iii is far better of EOS R
Go for sony a7iii I have hand tested the 3 cameras you mentioned. Sony kills
If you plan on doing any professional video, having owned all 3 I would recommend the S5. 4k 60fps, 10bit 422 internally and 5.9k raw via external recorder. Not to mention as Chelsea pointed out the lcd on a7iii is very difficult to see in day light. I had this experience at a commercial shoot years ago and ultimately sold it because of it. If your only concern is photography then the a7iii or Eos R will work just fine.
Just been getting my Panasonic S5. It arrived Saturday and I sent it back Monday as the IBIS wasn't working at all. I also have a second gripe, there are no lenses with I.O.S. under £1k the glass is so fucking expensive it's not even funny. So you're stuck with the un-stabilized kit lens which kicks into touch the "Dual I.S." you were so looking forward to using if you don't have extremely deep pockets. The L-Mount Alliance is a joke the lenses available are very very expensive and I had great trouble finding even a few with O.I.S. So I'm seriously reconsidering my purchase. The upsides are the image and colour from this lens is gorgeous the video features are amazing and with an external video recorder monitor like the Blackmagic Video assist or the ATOMOS NINJA you get 6K RAW. And you may need that external recorder because the codecs straight out of the camera just freeze my video editing beast of a computer. I have 24GB of RAM, SSD Storage, A 1080Ti GPU and a 12 Core EXTREME processor. No dice with the FULL FRAME 10 Bit 422 Long Gop MOV files. Doesn't wanna know.
as usual with Panasonic : amazing camera, amazing video, great lens and The most horrible autofocus. I really don't understand them, why they don't see their autofocus make people run away to other brands?
Well I feel like they still focus on filmmakers and not youtubers. And mean people who are trying to shoot movies, short films and stuff like that. You wouldn’t use autofocus there. But That’s just my opinion
@@MalachiSan yep, you are correct....and their focus peaking is tremendous....the AF in the APSC mode looks terrific (good enough for gimbals), and for full frame...just manually focus with focus peaking...or I"m sure if you put it on manual, the tap to focus probably works great to get that initial focus.
Because they don’t know how to PDAF
It's almost like despite the horrific AF, the video features and quality surpasses other brands at the price?
@@thatsreallyamoon yep, I think theyre trying to compete with the Xt4 and a7iii, heck with their prores raw coming in...they can compete with the bmpcc4k and 6k even
Wow, the screen difference is night and day, thanks for that. I've always felt Sony's screens really aren't very good, which is strange because they're tech/engineering is top notch otherwise.
Its by design.. they make such features of the camera lacking so they have stuff to be upgraded on the next model.
@@brelliace6425 Probably true, Sony upgrades so frequently and they often iterate on hardware. But I've owned several Sony camera, the RX1, RX100, and RX100 V and used the a7 series - they've consistently had poor LCDs compared to other brands, mainly in terms of contrast and brightness.
I am following somebody on flickr, who shoots with the S5 - He doesn’t do much post processing and the colors are always very beautiful. That is why I started to read articles and watch videos concerning this camera, the pricing is ridiculously low at the moment and if I would start again, I would choose this cam.
I became a photographer watching you guys. I went from a guy having a camera to a (pretty good) wedding photographer and videographer. Keep doing the awesome work guys! If you're ever in Guyana, let me know!!
Chelsea is multi-talented; not only a model and a photographer but a rapper too!
and dancer!
I own your book!! Thanks!! I like it! I am glad to know the autofocus has improved, although Gerald Undone said otherwise. As a previous owner of Lumix cameras, I am very excited with this one. I am disappointed with having only UHS-I and other UHS-II, but not a big deal. I am glad you mentioned Panasonic is now in the game as a nice contender! Thanks for your review, highly appreciated!
Panasonic has great strength in video stabilization that alone is gonna turn around alot of videographers easily. And it outputs 10 bit, which is only available on A7sIII alone now. That has an edge to Sony if you only shoot video, but the focus here made it not standing that much out.
It is rather a very similar system to Sony except that one point being stabilization. As you will basically have the same kind of lens ecosystem where sigma will be the value lens packing great quality at lower tier price compared to the official S line premiums, just like sigma vs G master for sony. But if you go for Panasonic those are pretty much what you're gonna be stuck with at the moment. If that is the case many will lose out as Sony has huge advantages from those Zeiss lenses. As I sat in home looking back through all my archives of images and touch them up again, I actually dug out a ton of images done with Zeiss lens that I overlooked which turned out to be easily top of my portfolio material after editing. The sony GMs are just as sharp and contrast almost to those zeiss lens but it lacks that final touch of color rendering and has a more cooler tint compared to the zeiss which suggests they're not as balanced color wise. The only regret is at the moment there is nothing beyond 135mm for zeiss for sony e mount. But other than those are the special strength of Sony's lens as those are about as sharp as sigma or even GM, offers a unique and likable rendering of images and colors, and is much lighter and portable than the Sigma/GM. And they don't lose out in value as well as those are not hugely costing and flows in second hand market constantly. Great for switching. I started out with mostly GM lenses as I knew the importance of lens in a system more than the body. But given another chance, I probably save those costs and just start out with the zeiss primes.
The thing about Lumix AF is you have to know how to use it. If you use the right mode, and directed area, the results are bound to be much better than what you see here.
But I wish they would just give up and install PDAF like everyone else. If they did that, they would have the best cameras by a mile. It is a source of eternal frustration that they won't.
Panasonic are ruling the waves.. ergonomics, operating system, new l mount lenses popping up in 22, and getting cheaper, finally.. oh and the colour tones are to die for. Did I mention dual iso for low noise. I can shoot up to 6400 iso without even considering any noise reducing software.
I’m stealing that breath out technique. Yoink
OK, you two kids are having way too much fun !!! I own the A7 III and the A9, and have been very happy with the results. I am way too old to make changes in bodies and glass, but I think any camera will do what you want it to, if you just take the time to learn the camera. I know that you have a lot of cameras you are testing, and that is fine. Just enjoy taking photographs more and thinking about hardware less. I have no issues with whichever works best for you (and yes I bought your book, and it is a great read. I have been taking photographs for nearly 54 years), but I read everything, because there is always something new to learn from other photographers out there, and if you are not learning, you are stagnant....and I am too old to remain stagnant.....at this stage in my life, that could happen without my help !! Cheers.
I would be a 100% panasonic guy if they had pdaf
Panasonic has great "color science" and they aren't far off from Canon on back screen and menus. At 60fps the video focus works. 30fps is bad and 24fps unusable. I haven't seen the autofocus at 120fps like the S1H can do, that might be the fastest of any camera.
@@DrummingTmate the a7s III has AF in 4k120
@@johnkevin7992 The A7S3 is a video only camera. I need Canon to uncripple the R5 - which records audio in 4k 120 but Canon won't let you have it - or wait on the A7R5. This Pansonic doesn't have the megapixels I need for stills. I don't have $8,000 for camera bodies.
Drumming Tee GH5 changed it so it focused during the idle time. Wonder why they don’t do it on their full frame cameras. Regressions on newer cameras is lazy and bad for reputation.
And a million other buyers.
I am going to buy the Pantex.
That video autofocus 😂😂😂
Try it at 60fps.
Should be called "autofailfocus"
@@DrummingTmate you shouldn't need to shoot at a higher fps to make it work. That's a lame idea. Yes let me try to film my short film in all 60fps, because that looks the same as 24 or 30 🙄
@@RiceCubeTech I agree with you, but for review purposes a lot of people who shoot video like 60p best so they should know the camera will focus for them.
You mean lack of 🤣
On all 7 series models you can brighten the rear screen for hard to see sunny days , also the EVF.
Yes, you can if you can find it in the menu which you can't see in the bright sunlight!
@@jwzerbe Then brighten it in viewfinder.
LUMIX S5 VIDEO SHOOTERS PSA:
Issue: Glitchy, pixelated lines in the image when using HDMI. Lines of different lengths appearing in different parts of the image a single frame at a time.
Long story short. I have been chasing this issue for a couple of months now. Returned my original S5 for a new one, sent my Ninja V in for repair, was sent back with a clean bill of health. Bought the $60 Atomos cable, the issue persists.
I originally thought the issue was unique to 5.9K ProRes RAW, turns out, that these lines show up when using the HDMI out in-general.
The 12bit 5.9K ProRes Raw image out of this setup is unbelievably good and more than useable for any professional production. But this issue makes the camera impossible to trust for paid work when recording over HDMI.
I have found many other users with the same issue, including a thread of comments here on Spence Sakurai's review of the camera.
IF YOU ARE HAVING THIS ISSUE, PLEASE REPORT IT TO PANASONIC SO THAT THEY TAKE THE ISSUE SERIOUSLY.
The Pentax thing in the end, Chelsea been watching Jared to much..........
Thank you for this video.
That is how you do a short camera review.
You go out and take pictures with it and then show us, not only the result, but also the small quirks you find in using the cameras.
You didn't cover everything, but that is okay, as it's only a short review.
And you had fun doing it, it seemed - so please...
Already got the books, the Panasonic looks very good for 2k that's a steal honestly and at least it has touch screen functionality, a flippy screen and a simplified menu system. The AF needs work but it's decent. Those are the things that spoiled me with canon and why I find it hard leaving the canon 📷 system for another. I don't handle frustration very well. 😂
Tony you can't let Chelsea out sing you. Lol Chelsea is great. I enjoyed this video, it was good for my mental health. 🙌♥️
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Nice funny video, very good review. I believe that the Panasonic is almost there with the Sony in many aspects, but the lack of tracking is damaging. Also Sony should come with a A7. IV using the technology from the A7S III. (new viewfinder, new cards etc). For new people, then, entering the Sony ecosystem seems far a better idea to me.
Brother Sony cameras are going from heating problem plx observe it
This is a very useful comparison of these two cameras. The only thing is you need to work on your audio. It was really mixed up. I heard lavalier, shotgun, and voiceover, all mixed in odd ways and at different volumes. Why did I notice? Because even though I have more than a dozen shows on Amazon Prime, I still suffer from bad audio capture - especially when I'm filming outdoors.
The video autofocus is now the death of Panasonic. Even though "pros" don't need it, most people will appreciate having it. Great video, thanks. :)
He made it especially hard for the autofocus because his head was only 1/3 in the frame when he came closer. Still bad autofocus I agree, but as soon as his eyes are not in the upper 1/5 of the screen the camera got the focus right pretty fast. I would lose to see that shot with a better framing. That shot was harsh on the AF
My guess is there are more prosumers (who appreciate good video AF) vs pros who prefer manual focusing.
Sold my s1r and all my S pro lenses to get more RF lenses. Lumix s pro lenses are better than anything canon/sony/sigma/nikon are producing but that AF is just a shame. All the defenders of oh AFS works fine. It's 2020 AFS should work fine. A cellphone from 10 years ago has fast working AFS.
"...I wanna see if it's keeping me acceptably in focus..."
Nope... 🤣
Love the bloopers😆😆😆. Amazing review...THANK YOU.. Goin to get that PANA!
"Is it better than the Sony" - comedy gold.
What do you mean?
IT actually is, not mention is that A7III has a AA filter which literally makes IQ worse. S5 doesnt. Sony is dethroned. Also with the S5 it has actual weather sealing. With Sony I get worried if it starts raining 100 miles away lol
@@overhang88 ok
How about available lenses?
@@buleulek5153 I mean asking that question makes me wonder if they know what they are talking about. The Panasonic cameras don't have working autofocus for video - it is totally unreliable and to compare them with the best selling full frame camera in the world is like comparing a Black and White TV with Colour and saying "its a very sharp picture on the Black and White TV"
@@ourtvchannel Apart from that black and white tv turns out to actually be a HDR tv that out performs the colour TV at everything apart from AF.
it seems to me that the focus is very difficult. From minute 5:13 to minute 5:18 you didn't find the focus and it was all blur. And the 4.52 minute to the 5.07 minute you were completely blurred ... (there are 15 seconds in which everything was blurred, including you). That's supposed to be very bad at a room like this, right?
You looked like you had a lot of fun making this video. So great to watch! Thank you again!
Thanks for this review. I am undecided about which mirror-less camera to buy and I was eager to see this new Lumix because of the range of L mount lenses. But the AF demo was a killer for me. Off my list!
Even tho the A7iii is getting on now I think I'll be keeping mine a bit longer yet
The AF in video seems straight up unusable.
I think even GH5 might be better.
Something weird was going on here. Even my tiny old GX80 has way better tracking.
@@thedondeluxe6941 Yes I think so.
In dpreviews vid it looks a lot better.
Could be lighting, my g9 has very usable c-af even with an olympus lens
Correction: The BLF19 batteries are not forward compatible with the S5. S5's battery will work in GH5/S and G9 though.
What time does Chelsea start drinking?
8 AM.
You mean what time does she ...stop? lol (kidding Chels) :-)
THERE IS A 30 MIN RECORDING LIMIT IN 10 BIT MODES!! People need to know that before buying. It can be bypassed by recording externally but it does have one.
Just a little sad that it “might” be better than the 2.5 year old a7iii. The forthcoming a7iv is likely to be pretty embarrassing for it.
Its not "might" if you look at the actual specs, the s5 trumps the a7iii in all areas than continuous autofocus in video and tracking fast moving subjects.
It beats the a7iii is performance, user experience, video where they failed to mention the huge difference in video output. The song yes can output 4k30, but that's only 8bit 4.2.0 if I'm not mistaken at up to 100mbps. The Panasonic offers 4k30 at 10bit 4.2.2, giving an unbelievable advantage in comparison where you will be able to actually colour grade without the image falling apart.
It also offers cinema 4k DCI, ProRes raw through HDMI, anamorphic, etc.
In terms of photography they're basically the same, which is not that surprising eeing as no one has really innovated the photography area in quite some time.
The Panasonic is definitely better than the a7iii. However time will tell with the a7iv as I suspect that will be pretty darn good.
Jock Turner Dude that camera lacking phase AF means you cant even fly it on a gimbal, it’s useless.
@@VforVallee To you. Not all of us need or use gimbals regularly.
There are also work arounds if you are skilled enough, using a gimbal with a follow focus unit. Autofocus can be as much as a friend as it is a crutch.
Besides with the S5s 6 1/2 stops of stabilisation. You don't really need a gimbal as it is... Having owned a GH5 for the past few years I have found the images I get from a glide cam to look better anyway.
This is also excluding the fact that that's one single use case that you are claiming makes the entire camera useless. Perhaps its useless to you. To many of use who don't rely on autofocus when using video and often manual focus. Its not a big deal. What is a big deal is the a7iiis horrible video codec, 8bit video that falls apart with just the slightest touch when trying to colour grade, although it is subjective, I'm not a big fan of Sony's colours. They're too cool, or I guess surgical, although not a huge issues shooting raw photos, but with the 8bit video it ain't great.
Also the general user experience, menus, functionality, lack of customisation, too much time spent in menus. The back screen is both low resolution and horribly dark and hard to view outside. Its prone to over heating. Has only a flip screen, not a fully articulated screen, which can be an issue when using your treasured gimbal.
Despite these flaws, and reasons I personally haven't liked the a7iii, it is still a freaking awesome camera and I can see why it's so popular. Just at this point the Panasonic is objectively better, excluding continuous autofocus.
Jock Turner “Lack of customization” “8bit color codec falls apart after the slightest touch” “Can’t see the screen” Dude you’ve never used this camera, trust me none of those things are true, not even in the slightest. I love that 8 bit is this thing Panasonic users parrot when comparing the two but then they go and upload their stuff online which, guess what, compressed everything down to 8bit 😂. That bit in this video where she can’t see the screen it’s too dim, I think her brain is too dim, you literally just turn on sunny mode and if you can’t see it outdoors you’re blind. The menus are so easy to use it’s mind blowing people coming from other systems get lost in them, oh wait, nvm they’re lost cause they’re coming from another system! And no, as good as the ibis is in that thing it would never compare to a gimbal! You serious!? And no follow focus systems are absolutely not a solution to having terrible AF, these mirrorless cameras use focus by wire lenses which render a follow focus system useless, because focus pulling is not repeatable using these lenses, not to mention how ridiculously cumbersome that is to use (having used one on many shoots with Cine Lenses believe me I know). Bottom line, if you’re worried about 10bit vs 8bit and codec quality and using a dedicated focus pulling system with cine lenses, I feel like you should straight up just buy a cine camera, because the step up from 8bit to 10bit and 4:2:0 to 4:2:2 are so minute and once you hit upload to UA-cam none of it matters anyways, so you must be shooting for broadcasting or television I would assume, which again, these prosumer mirrorless bodies aren’t for that. I need a camera I can operate by myself. Run and gun style. This is why AF is so important. But like you said it’s all subjective.
@@VforVallee @VforVallee I'm glad that is what you need it for and how you use it. Not an attack on your preference of camera, mate. You like and value the features that the a7iii provides. As I mentioned in my previous comment it is a bloody good camera.
However for my needs and preferences it's not my preferred device.
I have indeed used an a7iii, having shot a music video where on production we used my gh5, an a7iii and an Arri Amira. Of the 3 cameras, of course the amira was the best experience, however extremely heavy and a few shots it was not viable. When comparing colour science, the overall look of the image in comparison to the Amira the gh5 was by far the best. With a more robust codec, better colours.
When shooting with it, the owner of the a7iii was our camera operator for the day even admitted that he would consider moving to the Lumix because it was much easier, quicker and smarter to operate. All important functions were quick to select on the go, the screen was way better and over all camera options were better.
I also go shooting photos regularly with a friend who uses an a7iii and often find it hard to view his images on his display outside, when compared to my gh5 which I can see easily.
We all have use cases and needs. The Panasonic have always filled my needs to the T. I don't need autofocus, I have always been trained to manual focus and know how to work around it. You prefer solid autofocus and quality video output. I prefer robust codecs and a camera that isn't prone to overheating, with great stabilisation and generally a camera the is prepared almost every situation I put it in.
At the end of the day. My first statement still stands. Objectively, the s5 is better than the a7iii, other than auto focus.
Whether or not that means the camera is useful for your needs or not is irrelevant. The camera doesn't fit into your needs and workflow the way the a7iii does. That's great, it's a killer camera and very well deserves its acclaim.
But you are trying to tell me that a camera that fills my needs and gets me inspired to shoot and create is useless. Frankly you don't really have any say in that, because it's not useless...
Also, I just had a look at you channel because I thought you looked familiar. I have watched a few videos in the past, and I must say, you make great content :) stay safe
If Panasonic would just switch to a good autofocus system they would have the best hybrid cameras. Sadly, after years of making excuses I’m done with Lumix and I’m moving to the A7S3.
GH5 owner here, this S5 is a bad joke. I don’t see where in the market it fits. If someone wants a full frame camera 24 MP photo camera with good video go get the Sony A7III. If you are just looking for 24 MP photos get the A7II for less than $1,000 with a kit lens included. If you want the S1 get the S1 and a good lens you’ll be happier. I don’t see or understand where this S5 fits. Also with its limited autofocus, why would GH5 users switch to it? We would have to buy EVERYTHING new! Quite frankly if I’m buying everything new I’m going to be looking at a other brands.
In the market & the Lumix S5 is a definite contender
I know it’s a camera video but that mavic air 2 footage at the beginning was great 👍
I've been saying this for a looong time, You don't buy Panasonic for AF or you shouldn't expect good AF. Full frame or m43 AF is not there. Having said that I'm keeping my g9s. S5 doesn't have anything the g9 can't do
Great comparison video! I'm not really considering buying either of these cameras, but it's always fun to see how cameras stand against each other. By the way, the colors rendered by the Panny look noticeably oversaturated compared to those from the Sony. Personally, I like picture with a lot of color...but I'm not sure if this this much is nice.
*I'd LOVE to get the Panasonic S1 but....I'm rocking the G85 and the G7 as I'm still a beginner, but at least I know what to expect when I EVENTUALLY get one.*
im sure Chelsea is going to switch to this system too.
Lovely, has been seeing you guys doing review videos for so many years,since i was noob in photography, was 2013?anyway Keep it up!
Awesome review!! But that autofocus section of the video was horrendous. I can't believe a camera company would even think to release a camera with AF like that.
the depth of field of the bokeh of the Panasonic is incredible ... it's like a blur from near to infinity. Panasonic should fine-tune its video autofocus technology.
Depth of field literally has nothing to do with a particular camera body......it's all just sensor size, focal length of the lens, distance to your subject, and f-stop
Guys! RealIy? Comparing a 2.5 year old A7iii to a new camera? That’s like 100 dog years. The A7iii street price is $1600 (Abe’s of Maine, last week.) So, a fair comparison would account for a $400 difference in street price.
This is the only review I’ve watched that showed the continuous AF in a bad light. Did you even use face detection?
Hopefully Panasonic support this camera with plenty of firmware updates - the GH5/G9 have MUCH better continuous AF performance now vs their initial release firmware. I wish they’d switch to PDAF though (or some sort of hybrid solution even)
Great comparisons I'm thinking of going for the Panasonic thank you guys.
Beautiful. Thank you!
Now, I am prouder of my Lumix S5. I need to learn more about it...
I find that flash lag happens only with Godox/Flashpoint O type triggers (regardless of settings). If you use a trigger for a different camera that's not sending coms to the camera the shutter lag disappears (but you lose TTL of course). I've talked to both Godox and Panasonic about this and they both blame the other! Perhaps you could give them a bit of a nudge for me.....
Love the content guys. Way more free flowing and less try hard then a lot of “tech” camera reviewers. Lol
The video auto focus still not usable to my eye. So to me just a compact body version of S1.
Yeah, the terrible auto focus around the 5:00 min mark in this video is pretty damning. He isn't even moving quickly and his face is fully visible.
White color dress over exposed in Lumix S5. How to control
Nothing is better than the Sony system 🥴
Should've been priced at $1600!
I laughed at you struggling with the Sony because I borrowed it to film a wedding and had the same experience. The AF is funny depending on the reviewer, it can be made to seem good despite a growing consensus its bad. Your review seems more honest. The lens choices are limited and expensive. I've read with Sigma lens adapter there's no continuous AF. For 2k and all the great features I want to like this camera but the AF/lenses is a non starter at least for me.
Chelsea's face on the video thumbnail is gonna give me nightmares
They should make a firmware update for the audio because even with a Shotgun Microphone it's still peaks badly
A 2020 camera is better than a 2018 one? Wow! Who would have thought?
Panasonic won't do phase detect because it causes banding.
As a longtime Sony user, I have to say that my liking for its jpgs only improved after I set it up to portrait -1/-1/0 contrast/saturation/sharpness, exposure at -0.3 or -0.7 and AWB(ambient). I felt that both the standard and vivid profiles sooc were a hot mess and unflattering to humanity. :S
I use a G9 for street and landscape. Still debating on a S5 or S1. AF depends on what type of photographer you are. I don’t see people running to shoot sports or red carpet events.
Does the video CAF get any better if you stop down to F5.6 or higher? For a company known for its video capabilities, they really should be ashamed of the CAF in video.
you need to learn photography firstly 😊😊
No Tamron lenses, no go.
Also, might I suggest adding Face Priority to your Fn menu? :)
Yes, he didn't do that. Because they're little brats, both of them. That's why Nikon didn't loan them the z5
The thumbnail is golden!
4:52 AUDIO GOT A LITTLE TOO LOUD BUT NOTHING CRAZY.
MAN, YOU GUYS HAVE A NICE HOUSE, NICE CAREER, ETC
NICE JOB GUYS
Camera doesn't look that compelling, but you guys brought your A game to this video. Fun to watch.
Sony a7iii was released early 2018 but S5 hasn't been released yet (09/2020) not a fare comparison however it's great to have another camera company stepping up.
I'm looking for a stand alone 4K camera. What do you recommend in that category? I used to have a Sony AX100 which I liked at lot, but I'm looking for something more technologically advanced than that now. I have a nice 48" 4K television and would like to see something shot in 4k with current 4k cameras.
but does the lens pass the northrup breathing test?
Wow...Chelsea owned this whole episode... Rocking the tunes and calling out like she saw it!!... If Olympus would make a full frame version of their OM 1 D Mark III...(or whatever the hell the official name is..)... It would completely smoke these two.... Hybrid focus and a complete huge rack of extra photographic goodies.... That's the camera that the L Mount needs..