I think the reason DMC4 ended up the way it did, with the story not fully realized and the whole backtracking, was because it was rushed by Capcom. The evidence can be found in the art book of the game.
The writer of the novelization also said, they took some storyelements out of the game (like that Vergil is neros father) because they wanted to use that in DMC5
I'm....one of the people who actually LIKES Nero...I don't understand the hate for him, he's not a "pathetic Dante clone" like people claim. Unlike Dante, Nero gets very emotional and rash. He DOES have a cocky, snarky attitude which is pretty much explained as possibly Vergil's son or reincarnation.
Well it's simple, if you're going to make a new character, just don't make him so similar to the old one. And what did Capcom do, they made their "new" character a cocky demon hunter with white hair, badass coat, guns and swords, who's just younger and cries more. I understand the need to have different characters for story and gameplay purposes, but don't make your new character a carbon copy of the old one. Look what's been going on in DMC5, Nero is once again the main star while Dante is once again reduced to a supporting role, and now he is old to boot. Nero has his own DMC agency now and apparently Dante's rivalry with Vergil will be handed over to him as well. Seems like there's a reoccurring pattern here. They clearly try to give fans this idea that Dante is "the past" while Nero is "the future", all the while they keep handing over Dante's story elements to Nero. Itsuno keeps pushing one of the most popular and likeable protagonists in gaming to the side by trying to make him more and more irrelevant in his own franchise, all so he can keep shoving his pet favorite down the fans' throats. Of course some people won't be happy about that.
You had me until the bit about DMC 5 -- a game where the full story hasn't been revealed to the public yet and most of the current gameplay focused on Nero for demonstration purposes. First, Nero having his own agency isn't far fetched considering that demon hunting seems lucrative enough to support a character in this universe. Second, Nero having a rivalry with Vergil -- if Vergil has been confirmed to be in the game at least -- makes sense considering it's been confirmed that he's Vergil's son, and Vergil has been one of the biggest villains in the series. It makes sense that Nero would have a conflict with him at some point, especially considering Vergil's first action upon seeing his son is to rip his damn arm off and disappear somewhere with it. Those factors mean that Itsuno isn't trying to "replace" or render Dante "irrelevant" at all -- he's been in the trailers with his own gameplay for a reason -- nor is it him proclaiming Nero is his "pet favorite" it's him using the players he has available to craft something interesting involving them.
They already mentioned DMC5 is a Nero story. They certainly seem to be trying to replace Dante when he shows up for 5 seconds at the end of 3 minute trailers and isn't officially announced to be playable until months after the game has been announced. Who's the one you've been seeing during the entire marketing process, Dante or Nero? Dante should be the first thing you see in any DMC trailer, when that doesn't happen, you can tell Capcom has different plans. Of course Nero was created with the idea to replace Dante and take over his activities, that's the entire point of a legacy character. So he is related to Vergil and has a personal issue with him, does that sound familiar? Now he is a professional demon hunter running a "mobile agency" called Devil May Cry, almost seems like they're trying to "update" old concepts of the franchise but with another character, who just happens to look and act in an almost identical fashion to the way the previous character does. Meanwhile what's been happening to that previous character since DMC4? He's now a secondary player in his own franchise, he no longer gets any character development, he's there to just spew cheesy one-liners and show off his newest devil arms, now he's turned into a middle-aged man who can no longer get the job done by himself, is missing in action and his demon-hunting agency and his biggest rivalry is handed over to someone else. What else do you call that except replacement? The fact that Dante is still featured as a playable character doesn't mean much when he's no longer the main focus. If I had to take a guess, Capcom still keeps him around in some capacity only because they could be afraid of fan backlash if they excluded him completely. For the record, Itsuno has said himself that Nero is his favorite character since he created him, so of course he's his pet favorite, that's been obvious for a decade. I would actually give the man credit for never pretending to be unbiased. At least he's honest about it.
from what i know, the game we got was 40% of what was intended, there was meant to be a plot twist where nero's love interest turns out to be a villain and after that we play dante going through the underworld trying to save nero. ugh that sounds like a much better game.
Where did you learn about this? I've searched about the dev cycle. Dante was added in the game because of fucking backlash and it ruined the whole game's vision. The reason you backtrack with him is because they had no time to develop more missions of how much time Dante took to develop for
@@JoJosDankAdventures It was actually because CAPCOM said "Fuck it, I don't care if you don't finish it in the deadline, TIME IS MONEY", so the developvers didn't actually have time to make Dante have his own levels. He was always intended to be, but CAPCOM's greed for money gave us what DMC4 is.
My main gripe is that they would have made a way better game had they just designed a separate campaign for Dante. Just as there is a Tanker and Shell saga, we needed two separate stories that connect. There's no reason they cant overlap. Imagine getting to the end of Nero's story, only to start with Dante's story to be unlocked. It could go all the way back before Dante arrives to kill The Saviour in the opening scene. Explain his motives for his actions and what he was doing. It would also make way more sense as he is a much harder character to play. But yeah there arent enough levels in the game. It feels cheap as you say. I read somewhere they had their dev time cut in half and just rushed to get it as finished as possible. There's also theories out there that Dante was meant to have different stages that revolved around a literal hell. Look at the names of the weapons he acquires - none of them have anything to do with the bosses he defeats. Pandora, Gilgamesh, Lucifer all sound rather demonic to me. And its indisputable that alternative graceful Nero would have been more interesting rather than two characters that act almost entirely the same. You could have been way more harsh with Kyirea. We have no reason to be invested in her as the audience. The devs couldnt even decide what kind of relationship they have ('Kyeria is a sister, best friend, and lover all in one' says offical sources - its like they couldn't be bothered to decide). All we see is Nero be emotional about her and that's supposed to be reason enough for us to care. Thats not a story or even a a character at all. Compare that to Lady in DMC3.
I've thought about how they could do the story better with making more content, and I think a cool thing would have been to do what they did in RE Revelations 2. Have two story lines that run parallel to each, only one is at a different time, and shows the aftermath of the other. So play one mission as Nero, then the same area as Dante, but a day earlier and revamp the level so that Dante changes it to how Nero found it. Capcom wouldn't have to spend much more than they did and it would have been a more interesting way of presenting the story. I've heard the dev time was cut too, but couldn't find any sources for this when I looked it up. I wish Dante did get those Hell levels, as it would have been more visually interesting than the levels in the game. Damn, I never really thought about it but ya, the names don't fit with the bosses at all, either name or design wise. Bariel is giant flaming centaur with a massive sword but his weapon is a backpack with a skull design that fires exploding laser daggers? I could have been more harsh about Kyrie but there is so little about her it that I didn't even want to waste my time, since everyone knows shes a bland nothing. She is so nothing I couldn't even get worked up about it. It is definitely weird though how Kyrie is written so vague so that she can fit all these different character archetypes at the same time. And yes, she doesn't compare to any other the other ladies in DMC, even Lucia.
@kollie79 The problem is: 1·Vergil was a character that came out on a new version of the game, it does not count. 2·The game always had intended both Dante and Nero, but things were going to be a lot different if Capcom's greedy attitude didn't say "Fuck it, time is money, release the game on this deadline".
Liked the review and the part about Nero and his character was spot on. I feel like I'm one of the few people who actually grew attached to him, but I completely understand his flaws.
Nero was fine, just underdeveloped. Which isn't a huge flaw in a DMC game, to be honest - and yeah, I kinda liked him too. That being said, after hearing of this Sherlock-esque plan for him, I can't help but feel we missed an opportunity here.
@@Talyrion Yeah, he was underdeveloped here in DMC4 because that's how he supposed to be. While he was intended to be Dante's carbon copy with a little bit of Vergil's seriousness due to the fact that he is his son, he also is one of the bloodline of Sparda. Him being a Sherlock-esque would be good but I kinda like him being a raging, angry kid. He has his reasons if you delved down to his story. He was bullied for not having parents and questions his own existence. Him being a intellectual type is nice but he would be more like Sparda if he become one. It was interesting how the grandson of the Dark Knight has a parallel personality than him.
@@ricopaulodayoc608 and he was perfect as he is in the story dante, being super cool and calm and nero being super angry and even more reckless than dante in his moveset
Hi there! Hi there! DmC reboot had fluid controls. I wish the levels were all linked as one world though. Great game. it really made the fighting styles accessible. There is potential there even though it looked different. 4 looked familar but dropped off. just because it looks familiar doesnt fix it's shortcomings lol. i love them all tbh but 2 was bland i agree.
@Dont Look At Me lol yeah it was.. SUUUUURE! actually DMC 2 was my firsT game in the series followed by DMC 1, DMC 3(the best) & DMC 4.. I Didn't even complete dOnTae's story.. yeah we don't talk about that one.. 🖕DmC &🖕right back at that emo Pussboi who flicks off the OG fans while he scurries away on a skateboard in the DmC end credits.. Emo Pussboi lol
This is the tiniest nitpick, but I would say that Blue Rose distinguishes itself decently well when compared to handguns featured previously in the series. It's charge shot acts very differently when compared to the ones used by Dante in DMC3/4. Dante's charge shots are really weird in that it's more like a short buff rather than a traditional charge shot which fits well with how Dante's combos work as this gives a damage boost while still allowing combo potential. This is unlike Nero's which is a single large blast that works as a great source of damage and a good combo ender as it can push an enemy away so you can deal with others, meaning that it's more of it's own move as opposed to an optimization tool. Take this with a grain of salt though since this is just me being overly pedantic and bothered by a very minor and pretty much correct point for most people.
I think it's fair. I always kept Blue Rose charged up and only used it when I was not able to do anything else more like a combo finisher, like you say. Dante always spammed his guns but you never spammed shooting with Blue Rose because despite being a rapid missile animation, there was just no need to, and it fit better to charge it up while you were doing other things.
I agree, feel like they could have done more with the Blue Rose since it’s a revolver. Hope they change it up more in 5 and give it something else besides charge shots,
Im actually one of the few people who actually like nero, he is definitely more put as a contrast to dante. but the best way i could place him it would be he is what human a person can be. also one thing that you didnt mention with neros gameplay is that the rev up mechanic, which apon hitting a enemy and pressing the rev button gives you a heat charge? allowing you to do more the more damage and flashy moves that is hell to try and pull of at a consistent level, this is what i guess you would consider DMC3 dantes focus with trying to not have so many different styles all at once to do Nero also apparently was planned to have styles like dante to but because of rushed development was cut like how dante wasnt suppose to backtrack through the game but his own areas to go through, if i recall he was planned to go to hell
Man the way detail how the game would've been it sounds like it would've been even more amazing. A lot of people give 4 trash but I love love the combat system and those details like development issues would've made it one of the best period. The main Issue was Dante's half of the story and Nero's character, they should've kept the intellectual type specifically since Vergil is his dad. If they would've done that and made him a little more unique combat included, I would've absolutely gave this game a 9.5
I hope if They're making DMC5 they give it the time it need to be developed and let it be one of the best DMC's we've gotten yet with all the past issued fixed and improved.
Came back 5 days before DMC 5 comes out to get some thoughts on DMC 4. It seems promising and I hope its just as good of a story as DMC 3. Can't wait to get your retrospective on it.
I still haven't given out hope for DMC 5 since Hideaki Itsuno still hasn't announced the game he said he would with him specifically stating he wasn't ready to present it at E3 and DMC4SE "sold well" according to people at Capcom.
I want to hope but the longer we go with zero hints as to what Itsuno's working on, the more I doubt it will be DMC. At this point, I would even be down for a Devil May Cry 1 remake
That'd be amazing. I would absolutely love DMC1 if it had 4's combat system and upgraded graphical design. Imagine they re-did the Mundus fight too and improved it....Getting myself hyped up for something that wont happen
@kollie79 I've been wanting a Vergil's spin-off since I played him in DMC3!!! You know, fresh storyline parallel to the main timeline rather than having him do the same exact missions in DMC3 or as an optional character in DMC4's version of the bloody tower...
Tony Redgrave Because that doesn't really add anything to the story mode or even the gameplay. 3 more characters won't fix everything about the game being rushed. The special edition didn't do anything to improve that either.
While I do agree that DMC 3 had a better story line and was actually a finished game, I still think that DMC 4 has the best combat in the entire series, maybe even the best combat out of all character action games. It's challenging for sure but also very rewarding when you get it right. Dante alone has so much depth, it's like where do you even start. Nero is also a lot of fun with his Devil Bringer. These two alone are extremely fun to play and powerful as all hell. And then there's the special edition which sadly doesn't add new lore but gives us three new cool characters. Vergil especially is so much fun to play.
Souvenir Alex to you. More than likely because of some issues you have with new Dante. I've played every game in the series and the last 2 are the most fun. I admit I hated New Dante going in but he's still a cocky badass just in a different way. The core of the is there so I'm good
Souvenir Alex there was nothing average about it. It was a dmc hack and slash with less weapon options but just as much depth. I could play 3 full levels when fully upgraded and never use the same combo twice if I wanted to. That's depth
Finally, there will be DMC5. I'd bet money on it - you will see it before the end of 2019. We know this from: A)Capcom's announcements to their shareholders. B)The fact that Dante is still featured in fighting games (you wouldnt bother with a dead franchise) C)The slip up that one of the voice actors made at a press conference.
Your second point is fairly flawed for the simple fact that Arthur from the Ghosts n Goblins games is gonig to be in MvCI. That's not a series I would exactly say as "alive." The characters in the MvC games are based on what's considered iconic, which Dante is.
Megaman also appears frequently in cross over games for Capcom too, despite the fact they have done little with the character as of late. Worst case scenario, Dante just becomes a Capcom legacy character that the company drags out for pachinko games and cross overs. I do dearly hope that we get a DMC5, but I've grown to not trust Capcom until they actually release something. Though, Metroid was brought back after being on hiatus for 5+ years of silence so anything is possible.
Foxcade but I heard capcom state that they are planning on bringing back franchises so yeah maybe we might see a DMC5 or maybe not because capcom is unworthy of trust and confidence at this point.
A correction: Nero's DT does have a period of full invulnerability, but only during the barrier when you activate it. That barrier can also be used for combo extension because it sends most enemies skyward. The downside of not having knockdown resistance after activation is a small price for an otherwise FAR better DT with proper meter management. Your reviews hit the general points well enough, but the gameplay on display is poor and detracts from what you say about several things. Most of the bosses aren't good, but DMC is one of few series where the repetition in its structure and gameplay isn't an inherent downside. Probably why they were able to release it half-finished and still be the best in the series to many. You also mention that you don't feel you're given enough time to learn Dante, but these games are made to be played long after the story for the sake of self-improvement. For a few reasons I'm not nearly top-level in 4 as Dante myself: mainly age, carpal tunnel and disliking 3 of the 6 weapons, but I absolutely mastered DMC3 as a kid and am at least as good as you can be without advanced tech like guard flying in 4. If it's not your gameplay I can admit I'm mistaken, but otherwise I don't think you went nearly deep enough on this one. Now I've gotta go replay the whole series.
I like Nero. Sure he's one track minded on his girlfriend. But I love the interaction with Nero and Dante. Sure DMC 4 is a rushed game. It's still pretty fun though. Except mission 19 and the whole board game thing. I love Dante being the more mature, level headed but still fun loving guy.
I honestly would have prefered had Nero remained the sherlock holmes type. Would have seemed a lot less rushed because he doesn't act like Dante but it would make sense for the person who is implied to be Virgil's son to act in such a way.
To be fair, Vergil does not act with patience, he's kinda rushed, remember when he killed Arkham because he thought he had nothing of interest and ended up he HAD information?
You hit most of the points pretty accurately. And man... I would be so down to play a "Sherlock" like Nero. It was such a great idea. You should also have talked about the 3 characters added in the Special Edition. Vergil, Trish and Lady. And after played DMC4 so much, I still haven't figured how to use Lucifer.
I'm considering doing a separate video for the special edition games, as I couldn't really fit it into this video organically, but I would like to talk about how differently those characters play. The key thing I learned about using Lucifer is how to denote, which I think is the same buttons as Dante's High Time. I would just litter the area with the swords while sprinkling in other weapons and then denote them. Its fun to using on Legendary Dark Knight mode where the levels are covered in enemies.
I'm hoping DMC 5 will be a better game because it's been 10 years since 4. I'm totally new fan. I love the series. I'm happy we get 5 after the reboot.
Good news Foxcade, I'm expecting a Devil May Cry 5 retrospective later this year or next year. Either your glad to have something to do or are mad it took so long. But this is gonna be great come March.
THANK YOU! FINALLY! Somebody who is talking about the "Backtracking" of Devil May Cry Series. I always hated that about those games. Not all of them are bad but man, I hate it when games rely on lazy backtracking.
Oh boy, DMC 2013... Well, I wish you good luck finishing that. Honestly, I have been meaning to try DMC 3 at least for a while and this retrospective has helped garner some interest from me to try it out. And, I will say keep up the great work dude. :)
"I guess this is it for the DMC series..."
*Devil Trigger plays at a distance*
BANG BANG BANG
@@distantsea PULL MY DEVIL TRIGGER!
Old on, i have dead weight...
AAAaaah, much better. BANG BANG BANG
I'll endure the exile...
@@ImSK11yaknow THE DARKNESS OF NIGHT FALLS AROUND MY SOUL
AND THE HUNTER WITHIN LOSES CONTROL
Aaaaaaand then E3 2018 happened..
THE TIME HAS COME, AND SO HAVE I!
It has PULLED MY DEVIL TRIGGER
DMC OG fans won! We were right all along :D
Mateusz Oh, my God. A game pulled you off?
3 playable chars btw lmao
Watching that ending to the video looking at the copy of DMC5 in 2019 is most funny and heartwarming thing ever
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@@luqs88 He's speaking the language of gods!
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"We may never see a return of this Dante"
Hideaki Itsuno: "Ahm, excuse me?!"
Not quite. He HELPED with the reboot and is still proud of it in some twisted way
He's probably proud of the gameplay.
Itsuno: "hold my sparda"
-DMC5 GETS REVEALED-
@@Szczauqa the reboot isn't a bad game. Its actually a pretty good game, Just give it a different name
Szczaqu the reboot is a good game
I think the reason DMC4 ended up the way it did, with the story not fully realized and the whole backtracking, was because it was rushed by Capcom. The evidence can be found in the art book of the game.
100% true
Good point... even though it was exactly what Foxcade said a few times
The story was my first hint at this game being unfinished
Dante was not even supposed to playable according to the voice actor reuben langdon. They made him playable so that fans do cry like a bitch
The writer of the novelization also said, they took some storyelements out of the game (like that Vergil is neros father) because they wanted to use that in DMC5
I'm....one of the people who actually LIKES Nero...I don't understand the hate for him, he's not a "pathetic Dante clone" like people claim. Unlike Dante, Nero gets very emotional and rash. He DOES have a cocky, snarky attitude which is pretty much explained as possibly Vergil's son or reincarnation.
Dante when showing off comes off as crazy awesome.
Nero when showing comes off as adorably dorky.
Biggest difference imo.
Well it's simple, if you're going to make a new character, just don't make him so similar to the old one. And what did Capcom do, they made their "new" character a cocky demon hunter with white hair, badass coat, guns and swords, who's just younger and cries more. I understand the need to have different characters for story and gameplay purposes, but don't make your new character a carbon copy of the old one. Look what's been going on in DMC5, Nero is once again the main star while Dante is once again reduced to a supporting role, and now he is old to boot. Nero has his own DMC agency now and apparently Dante's rivalry with Vergil will be handed over to him as well. Seems like there's a reoccurring pattern here. They clearly try to give fans this idea that Dante is "the past" while Nero is "the future", all the while they keep handing over Dante's story elements to Nero. Itsuno keeps pushing one of the most popular and likeable protagonists in gaming to the side by trying to make him more and more irrelevant in his own franchise, all so he can keep shoving his pet favorite down the fans' throats. Of course some people won't be happy about that.
Nero is a melodramatic try hard to be honest.
You had me until the bit about DMC 5 -- a game where the full story hasn't been revealed to the public yet and most of the current gameplay focused on Nero for demonstration purposes. First, Nero having his own agency isn't far fetched considering that demon hunting seems lucrative enough to support a character in this universe. Second, Nero having a rivalry with Vergil -- if Vergil has been confirmed to be in the game at least -- makes sense considering it's been confirmed that he's Vergil's son, and Vergil has been one of the biggest villains in the series. It makes sense that Nero would have a conflict with him at some point, especially considering Vergil's first action upon seeing his son is to rip his damn arm off and disappear somewhere with it.
Those factors mean that Itsuno isn't trying to "replace" or render Dante "irrelevant" at all -- he's been in the trailers with his own gameplay for a reason -- nor is it him proclaiming Nero is his "pet favorite" it's him using the players he has available to craft something interesting involving them.
They already mentioned DMC5 is a Nero story. They certainly seem to be trying to replace Dante when he shows up for 5 seconds at the end of 3 minute trailers and isn't officially announced to be playable until months after the game has been announced. Who's the one you've been seeing during the entire marketing process, Dante or Nero? Dante should be the first thing you see in any DMC trailer, when that doesn't happen, you can tell Capcom has different plans. Of course Nero was created with the idea to replace Dante and take over his activities, that's the entire point of a legacy character. So he is related to Vergil and has a personal issue with him, does that sound familiar? Now he is a professional demon hunter running a "mobile agency" called Devil May Cry, almost seems like they're trying to "update" old concepts of the franchise but with another character, who just happens to look and act in an almost identical fashion to the way the previous character does.
Meanwhile what's been happening to that previous character since DMC4? He's now a secondary player in his own franchise, he no longer gets any character development, he's there to just spew cheesy one-liners and show off his newest devil arms, now he's turned into a middle-aged man who can no longer get the job done by himself, is missing in action and his demon-hunting agency and his biggest rivalry is handed over to someone else. What else do you call that except replacement? The fact that Dante is still featured as a playable character doesn't mean much when he's no longer the main focus. If I had to take a guess, Capcom still keeps him around in some capacity only because they could be afraid of fan backlash if they excluded him completely.
For the record, Itsuno has said himself that Nero is his favorite character since he created him, so of course he's his pet favorite, that's been obvious for a decade. I would actually give the man credit for never pretending to be unbiased. At least he's honest about it.
3:49 dante was keeping an eye on nero the whole time, after all he is his uncle.
I wonder if he knew the whole time from the first time he met him, j haven't read the books so I'd have to do research
@@goreman7160 Dante knew. When he gave Nero yamato there's a dialogue there that suggests so.
@@Vhlathanosh I always figured as much but we never really get definitive answers from dmc lol
from what i know, the game we got was 40% of what was intended, there was meant to be a plot twist where nero's love interest turns out to be a villain and after that we play dante going through the underworld trying to save nero. ugh that sounds like a much better game.
Where did you learn about this? I've searched about the dev cycle. Dante was added in the game because of fucking backlash and it ruined the whole game's vision. The reason you backtrack with him is because they had no time to develop more missions of how much time Dante took to develop for
@@JoJosDankAdventures It was actually because CAPCOM said "Fuck it, I don't care if you don't finish it in the deadline, TIME IS MONEY", so the developvers didn't actually have time to make Dante have his own levels. He was always intended to be, but CAPCOM's greed for money gave us what DMC4 is.
@@JoJosDankAdventures Dante was always intended to be a playable character.
sounds like the original idea for nero is what became V in DMC 5
My main gripe is that they would have made a way better game had they just designed a separate campaign for Dante. Just as there is a Tanker and Shell saga, we needed two separate stories that connect. There's no reason they cant overlap. Imagine getting to the end of Nero's story, only to start with Dante's story to be unlocked. It could go all the way back before Dante arrives to kill The Saviour in the opening scene. Explain his motives for his actions and what he was doing. It would also make way more sense as he is a much harder character to play.
But yeah there arent enough levels in the game. It feels cheap as you say. I read somewhere they had their dev time cut in half and just rushed to get it as finished as possible.
There's also theories out there that Dante was meant to have different stages that revolved around a literal hell. Look at the names of the weapons he acquires - none of them have anything to do with the bosses he defeats. Pandora, Gilgamesh, Lucifer all sound rather demonic to me.
And its indisputable that alternative graceful Nero would have been more interesting rather than two characters that act almost entirely the same.
You could have been way more harsh with Kyirea. We have no reason to be invested in her as the audience. The devs couldnt even decide what kind of relationship they have ('Kyeria is a sister, best friend, and lover all in one' says offical sources - its like they couldn't be bothered to decide). All we see is Nero be emotional about her and that's supposed to be reason enough for us to care. Thats not a story or even a a character at all. Compare that to Lady in DMC3.
I've thought about how they could do the story better with making more content, and I think a cool thing would have been to do what they did in RE Revelations 2. Have two story lines that run parallel to each, only one is at a different time, and shows the aftermath of the other. So play one mission as Nero, then the same area as Dante, but a day earlier and revamp the level so that Dante changes it to how Nero found it. Capcom wouldn't have to spend much more than they did and it would have been a more interesting way of presenting the story.
I've heard the dev time was cut too, but couldn't find any sources for this when I looked it up. I wish Dante did get those Hell levels, as it would have been more visually interesting than the levels in the game. Damn, I never really thought about it but ya, the names don't fit with the bosses at all, either name or design wise. Bariel is giant flaming centaur with a massive sword but his weapon is a backpack with a skull design that fires exploding laser daggers?
I could have been more harsh about Kyrie but there is so little about her it that I didn't even want to waste my time, since everyone knows shes a bland nothing. She is so nothing I couldn't even get worked up about it. It is definitely weird though how Kyrie is written so vague so that she can fit all these different character archetypes at the same time. And yes, she doesn't compare to any other the other ladies in DMC, even Lucia.
They woulda and coulda, but big daddy Crapcom only gave them enough time to make what they did.
@kollie79 The problem is:
1·Vergil was a character that came out on a new version of the game, it does not count.
2·The game always had intended both Dante and Nero, but things were going to be a lot different if Capcom's greedy attitude didn't say "Fuck it, time is money, release the game on this deadline".
Liked the review and the part about Nero and his character was spot on. I feel like I'm one of the few people who actually grew attached to him, but I completely understand his flaws.
Nero was fine, just underdeveloped. Which isn't a huge flaw in a DMC game, to be honest - and yeah, I kinda liked him too.
That being said, after hearing of this Sherlock-esque plan for him, I can't help but feel we missed an opportunity here.
@@Talyrion Yeah, he was underdeveloped here in DMC4 because that's how he supposed to be. While he was intended to be Dante's carbon copy with a little bit of Vergil's seriousness due to the fact that he is his son, he also is one of the bloodline of Sparda. Him being a Sherlock-esque would be good but I kinda like him being a raging, angry kid. He has his reasons if you delved down to his story. He was bullied for not having parents and questions his own existence. Him being a intellectual type is nice but he would be more like Sparda if he become one. It was interesting how the grandson of the Dark Knight has a parallel personality than him.
@@ricopaulodayoc608 and he was perfect as he is in the story
dante, being super cool and calm and nero being super angry and even more reckless than dante in his moveset
Somebody once summarized the begining of this game as "Jesus breaks through the roof of the church and shoots the pope during high Mass"
1. DmC 3 😍
2. DmC 4 😄
3. DmC 1😊
4. DmC 2😑
10. DmC reboot☹️
Hi there! Hi there!
DmC reboot had fluid controls. I wish the levels were all linked as one world though. Great game. it really made the fighting styles accessible. There is potential there even though it looked different. 4 looked familar but dropped off. just because it looks familiar doesnt fix it's shortcomings lol.
i love them all tbh but 2 was bland i agree.
dmc 5 tba
Pretty much my ranking too
5. DMC V 😎😱🤗😍😘🤑😏🤐❤
@Dont Look At Me lol yeah it was.. SUUUUURE! actually DMC 2 was my firsT game in the series followed by DMC 1, DMC 3(the best) & DMC 4.. I Didn't even complete dOnTae's story.. yeah we don't talk about that one..
🖕DmC &🖕right back at that emo Pussboi who flicks off the OG fans while he scurries away on a skateboard in the DmC end credits.. Emo Pussboi lol
I loved the story in Devil May Cry 4 and the characters and music. I love Nero's character.
That Sherlock Holmes-esque Nero design would’ve been SICK
Right? I also would've loved to see how he and Dante would have interacted.
I feel like V will be sorta that intellectual type character. Not really a Sherlock vibe, but a smart boi type of vibe
@@Freaky1347 Literature boi.
Interesting, since DMC5 is using a new graphics engine too
"The time has come and so have I" Did... Did you just-
"Well, I guess that's really it for the Devil May Cry series"
*Bury the Light starts playing*
It's weird to see the end of this video now. Y'know, since DMC5 is a thing and we're getting it next year
Not gonna lie I teared up during lady and trish's ending.
Icber hey, I cried too...except my tear came out of my dick
Icber Nice pfp.
This is the tiniest nitpick, but I would say that Blue Rose distinguishes itself decently well when compared to handguns featured previously in the series. It's charge shot acts very differently when compared to the ones used by Dante in DMC3/4. Dante's charge shots are really weird in that it's more like a short buff rather than a traditional charge shot which fits well with how Dante's combos work as this gives a damage boost while still allowing combo potential. This is unlike Nero's which is a single large blast that works as a great source of damage and a good combo ender as it can push an enemy away so you can deal with others, meaning that it's more of it's own move as opposed to an optimization tool.
Take this with a grain of salt though since this is just me being overly pedantic and bothered by a very minor and pretty much correct point for most people.
I think this is a legit counter argument. Blue Rose does have its use and does distingushes itself quite a lot-
I think it's fair. I always kept Blue Rose charged up and only used it when I was not able to do anything else more like a combo finisher, like you say.
Dante always spammed his guns but you never spammed shooting with Blue Rose because despite being a rapid missile animation, there was just no need to, and it fit better to charge it up while you were doing other things.
I agree, feel like they could have done more with the Blue Rose since it’s a revolver. Hope they change it up more in 5 and give it something else besides charge shots,
Blue Rose's delayed explosion is a huge part of Nero's combo game.
Im actually one of the few people who actually like nero, he is definitely more put as a contrast to dante. but the best way i could place him it would be he is what human a person can be.
also one thing that you didnt mention with neros gameplay is that the rev up mechanic, which apon hitting a enemy and pressing the rev button gives you a heat charge? allowing you to do more the more damage and flashy moves that is hell to try and pull of at a consistent level, this is what i guess you would consider DMC3 dantes focus with trying to not have so many different styles all at once to do
Nero also apparently was planned to have styles like dante to but because of rushed development was cut like how dante wasnt suppose to backtrack through the game but his own areas to go through, if i recall he was planned to go to hell
Man the way detail how the game would've been it sounds like it would've been even more amazing. A lot of people give 4 trash but I love love the combat system and those details like development issues would've made it one of the best period. The main Issue was Dante's half of the story and Nero's character, they should've kept the intellectual type specifically since Vergil is his dad. If they would've done that and made him a little more unique combat included, I would've absolutely gave this game a 9.5
I hope if They're making DMC5 they give it the time it need to be developed and let it be one of the best DMC's we've gotten yet with all the past issued fixed and improved.
@@The-Beyonder :D
Came back 5 days before DMC 5 comes out to get some thoughts on DMC 4. It seems promising and I hope its just as good of a story as DMC 3. Can't wait to get your retrospective on it.
I have a good few plans for what I'm going to do with 5 coming out!
I still haven't given out hope for DMC 5 since Hideaki Itsuno still hasn't announced the game he said he would with him specifically stating he wasn't ready to present it at E3 and DMC4SE "sold well" according to people at Capcom.
NuclearUnicorn7 same
I want to hope but the longer we go with zero hints as to what Itsuno's working on, the more I doubt it will be DMC. At this point, I would even be down for a Devil May Cry 1 remake
That'd be amazing. I would absolutely love DMC1 if it had 4's combat system and upgraded graphical design. Imagine they re-did the Mundus fight too and improved it....Getting myself hyped up for something that wont happen
well, you don't need hope anymore m8
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It is known
Little did he know ;)
after watching all your Devil May Cry videos I now own the first four games of the series.
"sipping tea and fighting demons" sounds pretty lit to be honest
Why didn"t you mentioned anything about Special Edition and playable Trish,Lady and Vergil ?
Those additions were great, but they kind of highlight the issue of repetitiveness in the game that Fox was mentioning.
WHAT?!? I have to play it now.
@kollie79 I've been wanting a Vergil's spin-off since I played him in DMC3!!! You know, fresh storyline parallel to the main timeline rather than having him do the same exact missions in DMC3 or as an optional character in DMC4's version of the bloody tower...
I never got DMC4 Special Edition
But I have DMC3 Special Edition
Tony Redgrave Because that doesn't really add anything to the story mode or even the gameplay. 3 more characters won't fix everything about the game being rushed. The special edition didn't do anything to improve that either.
While I do agree that DMC 3 had a better story line and was actually a finished game, I still think that DMC 4 has the best combat in the entire series, maybe even the best combat out of all character action games. It's challenging for sure but also very rewarding when you get it right. Dante alone has so much depth, it's like where do you even start. Nero is also a lot of fun with his Devil Bringer. These two alone are extremely fun to play and powerful as all hell. And then there's the special edition which sadly doesn't add new lore but gives us three new cool characters. Vergil especially is so much fun to play.
DMC4 was the last DMC. It was a fine game.
Aww Yeaa "fine" isn't good enough for DMC
We don't talk about that thing in these parts, son.
DmC exists and is great get over it 😂
Souvenir Alex to you. More than likely because of some issues you have with new Dante. I've played every game in the series and the last 2 are the most fun. I admit I hated New Dante going in but he's still a cocky badass just in a different way. The core of the is there so I'm good
Souvenir Alex there was nothing average about it. It was a dmc hack and slash with less weapon options but just as much depth. I could play 3 full levels when fully upgraded and never use the same combo twice if I wanted to. That's depth
Dude, I don't even like DMC, but your content is some hidden gem level goodness! Instantly subbed and belled!!! Keep it up!
counting how many "Im actually one of the few people who actually like" comments we have here
Finally, there will be DMC5. I'd bet money on it - you will see it before the end of 2019.
We know this from:
A)Capcom's announcements to their shareholders.
B)The fact that Dante is still featured in fighting games (you wouldnt bother with a dead franchise)
C)The slip up that one of the voice actors made at a press conference.
Your second point is fairly flawed for the simple fact that Arthur from the Ghosts n Goblins games is gonig to be in MvCI. That's not a series I would exactly say as "alive." The characters in the MvC games are based on what's considered iconic, which Dante is.
Shows how much I play MvC I guess. Nice rebuttal.
Megaman also appears frequently in cross over games for Capcom too, despite the fact they have done little with the character as of late. Worst case scenario, Dante just becomes a Capcom legacy character that the company drags out for pachinko games and cross overs. I do dearly hope that we get a DMC5, but I've grown to not trust Capcom until they actually release something. Though, Metroid was brought back after being on hiatus for 5+ years of silence so anything is possible.
Foxcade but I heard capcom state that they are planning on bringing back franchises so yeah maybe we might see a DMC5 or maybe not because capcom is unworthy of trust and confidence at this point.
There is a new Megaman game in the making.
Thank you for these videos!
awesome thank you for these retrospective vids loved dmc when i was a kid
Well, it's official now.
*Chuckles to himself as DMC5 is now out*
A correction: Nero's DT does have a period of full invulnerability, but only during the barrier when you activate it. That barrier can also be used for combo extension because it sends most enemies skyward. The downside of not having knockdown resistance after activation is a small price for an otherwise FAR better DT with proper meter management. Your reviews hit the general points well enough, but the gameplay on display is poor and detracts from what you say about several things. Most of the bosses aren't good, but DMC is one of few series where the repetition in its structure and gameplay isn't an inherent downside. Probably why they were able to release it half-finished and still be the best in the series to many. You also mention that you don't feel you're given enough time to learn Dante, but these games are made to be played long after the story for the sake of self-improvement.
For a few reasons I'm not nearly top-level in 4 as Dante myself: mainly age, carpal tunnel and disliking 3 of the 6 weapons, but I absolutely mastered DMC3 as a kid and am at least as good as you can be without advanced tech like guard flying in 4. If it's not your gameplay I can admit I'm mistaken, but otherwise I don't think you went nearly deep enough on this one. Now I've gotta go replay the whole series.
Grate review my friend thank you for making and uploading this series retrospective
Thanks, much appreciated!
I like Nero. Sure he's one track minded on his girlfriend. But I love the interaction with Nero and Dante.
Sure DMC 4 is a rushed game. It's still pretty fun though. Except mission 19 and the whole board game thing.
I love Dante being the more mature, level headed but still fun loving guy.
Dante's combo meter stayed alive when you used guns.
I honestly would have prefered had Nero remained the sherlock holmes type. Would have seemed a lot less rushed because he doesn't act like Dante but it would make sense for the person who is implied to be Virgil's son to act in such a way.
To be fair, Vergil does not act with patience, he's kinda rushed, remember when he killed Arkham because he thought he had nothing of interest and ended up he HAD information?
You hit most of the points pretty accurately. And man... I would be so down to play a "Sherlock" like Nero. It was such a great idea.
You should also have talked about the 3 characters added in the Special Edition. Vergil, Trish and Lady.
And after played DMC4 so much, I still haven't figured how to use Lucifer.
I'm considering doing a separate video for the special edition games, as I couldn't really fit it into this video organically, but I would like to talk about how differently those characters play.
The key thing I learned about using Lucifer is how to denote, which I think is the same buttons as Dante's High Time. I would just litter the area with the swords while sprinkling in other weapons and then denote them. Its fun to using on Legendary Dark Knight mode where the levels are covered in enemies.
talk about coincidence; just finished watchind the DMC 3 retrospective(still great job on that one); keep it up :D
Thanks, will do!
That ended sadly
The correct term for "invincibility" to devil trigger is actually Super Armor because you still take damage you just don't flinch.
I'm hoping DMC 5 will be a better game because it's been 10 years since 4. I'm totally new fan. I love the series.
I'm happy we get 5 after the reboot.
personally dmc 4 was my favorite dante he was just so over the top and I love that reenactment of the character
This was my first DMC game. I didn't know about some of the shortcomings, but still a badass game to me!
2019. WELCOME BACK!
I love the development history bits. I've discovered some new things about this badass game.
Nice work on these DMC videos!
I love it you talking about there’s never going to be a devil may cry five but I’m playing devil may cry five right now
then 1 year after this vid Devil May Cry 5 was announced OuO
great vids dude
Well I think it's safe to say dmc5 isn't rushed considering it's been in development for 4 years.
And now we are 1 year later with actual Devil May Cry 5 trailer. :)
"Nero's combos are limited."
Proceeds to abuse red queen combo A and streak.
way to sell Blue Rose short, it's a pillar of Stylish Nero play
Oh boy, I guess being wrong never felt so good before, huh? Can't wait to hear your impressions on DMC 5 :)
Good news Foxcade, I'm expecting a Devil May Cry 5 retrospective later this year or next year.
Either your glad to have something to do or are mad it took so long. But this is gonna be great come March.
I'm here about a week after DMC5 announcement, let's go boys.
"The time has come, and so have i"
*george Takei voice* OHHHH MYYYY
It's good to see Vash is still getting work these days
''And I got a bigger dick''
-Vergil 2013
THANK YOU! FINALLY! Somebody who is talking about the "Backtracking" of Devil May Cry Series. I always hated that about those games. Not all of them are bad but man, I hate it when games rely on lazy backtracking.
Its 2018 and he’s back baby!
and now we wait for march 8th 2019 for the return of dante, nero and all of the other characters we have come to love! thank you capcom!
A massage from the future the devil may cry series will be back in devil may cry 5 but in spring 2019
Dmc 4 makes total sense and Nero is likely to be like Dante and Vergil together because Nero is Vergil’s SON...so the have a lot of things in common
All these things that are an issue are resolved in DMC5. Clever I say to continue the series and make money
They really improved on Nero in part 5. Mostly thanks to his interaction with Nico.
What we really need for DMC from now on is to just keep Kyrie somewhere where the baddies can't touch her, else we'll get DMC4 again.
@@nerovalentine865 Just give Nero a cell phone with Kyrie as the only number for moral support. Then he's unstoppable.
0:43 MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO SAY "THE TIME HAS COME AND SO HAVE I, WELCOME TO MY RETROSPECTIVE SERIES OF DEVIL MAY CRY"
Little did we know devil may cry 5 was announced back in 2018 & will release on March 8th! HYPE asf!!!
Oh boy, DMC 2013... Well, I wish you good luck finishing that. Honestly, I have been meaning to try DMC 3 at least for a while and this retrospective has helped garner some interest from me to try it out. And, I will say keep up the great work dude. :)
Awesome, glad I could be off help! DMC3 is one of my favorites, and I'm always pumped to hear people going back to try it out!
Theres already a Devil May Cry 5.
Well....this year. YEEEEEEES!
Nice video Foxnips! I love Devil may cry 4 though but it does has some issues
And we are back baby. DMC5 March 2019
This was the first DMC game I played so I love it
Nero's there to make us appreciate Dante. He's ok, but our red boy is the one that brings da shit
Dmc 5 will flesh out Nero more
I'm glad they released dmc4 on 360. I borrowed the game from a friend back in the day, been a fan ever since.
Just found this gem for 3 EU! am loving it! trying to master the revs before inertia.
I thought the original damsel in distress was the woman in King Kong.
Listening to the ending of this while playing DMC5 is very satisfying
I like how the voice actor, ol Jonny B, really makes Nero’s personality similar to Ichigo from Bleach.
And here I am hopping for a dmc6
Least they really improved the Blue Rose in DMC 5, charged shots feel and sound like a hand-cannon
If you diss my boy Nero I will hurt you
I remember seeing the DMC 4 trailers and jus thinking "Whose this baby Dante hanging out with Dante?"
Imagine being upset at other people getting to enjoy something you look forward to
It was fun to learn about Nero prototype characterization.
The Blue Rose is a goddamn beat with its charge shot skills.
Nero's Charged shot with blue rose distinguishes it quite a bit and leads to some cool combo set ups and shiii
Who came after watching the devil may cry 5 trailer?
Loved the snatch and the way it was implemented in DmC.
All great games. story was undone in 4 but fun.
I feel like the reason Dante was playable was to avoid what DmC caused
Thankfully DMC V was announced at E3 this year
*MAJOR SIGH OF RELIEF*
Hold it, I'm From the Future to tell you that all is not lost, This isn't the end. We will meet Again.