Just read the Bible for yourself instead of listening to others who never read the whole thing and make their own opinions and filters about it. And, yes, I'm including pastors.
thing is no one can read the true bible. it's been corrupted by hateful people. translations aren't accurate. The most accurate is the King James Versions of the bible. The other versions are far gone. The truest Bible is the bible in its original language. People can't just take any bible, read it, and make their thoughts because that Bible was man-altered
@@brndnii7840 When you truly follow God he will guide you to the correct path and teach you everything. Even tho we live in a hateful world we’re they change the Bible many times to there own benefits, God teachers the good and the bad to the ones who follow him
According to the Bible, there is. We should define "perfect" from how it's used in the Bible to describe people. From the verses below (and there are more than this) it would seem to mean: attempting to follow the example of Jesus as best you can, being forgiven of your sins (having them erased from your record) and repenting (abandoning sinful habits), doing good works, and being united with other Christians. Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Luke 6:40 "The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master." John 17:23 (Jesus praying regarding His disciples) "I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one [i.e. unity of mind and purpose] ..." 2 Timothy 3:17 "That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." James 1:4 "But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing." James 3:2 " ... If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body."
@@RB-bd5tz And does that mean leaving flawed people in charge of inquisitions, national churches, or as popes? And flawed interpretations of Jews or descendants of Ham, too?
"you shall not lie with a man as with a woman." So, It's a good thing I don't lay a woman in the same way I lay a man. Very different techniques are employed.
one thing about the Bible is, you pick a certain verse and it actually talks in your favor… but when you read the whole verse from up to the point that favors you, you’ll realize it has nth to do with you . therefore i suggest we read the bible in whole , rather than selecting some parts of it to satisfy you at a particular time .
Unfortunately If you read the bible in whole over and over again it does not condone homosexuality. Please let me know what verse tells us homosexuality is normal acceptable behavior
@@juliorosenberg2222 well i’m not much of a reader and also i’m against homosexuality. but i know for a fact that picking a single scripture might be in your favor but when you read previous scriptures that let to that one scripture, you’ll find out that it wasn’t really in your favor.
i think its true to each to own like poetry and art everyone takes what they want from it 1 painting 2 people will have two ideas or thoughts describing it so n bibles been edited we know many different types its hard to say
People can get the Bible to say whatever they want because the Bible is polemical and filled with varying and often contradictory perspectives. The Bible is not monolithic, but instead is a preservation of diverse Jewish and Christian thought, which doesn’t always agree in harmony.
@@MusicalRaichu It does not discriminate, the truth of the Word can only hurt people who let it. Too often, people want to taint the Bible to make them more comfortable and more American. They don't want to hear what it has to say if they don't like it.
@@chubbybutterflies8971 But if people who don't know much take the word of vocal church figures who say discriminatory things, then they will genuinely feel hurt. They haven't heard talks like this which tell them what the Bible actually says, so they end up rejecting God for the wrong reason.
“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” - 2 Tim 4:3
spot on! many teachers appeal to humanity's basest instinct of suspicion towards those who are different, self-righteousness ("thank you God that I'm not like that tax collector"), and sense of power over vulnerable minorities. I'm seeing more and more alleged Christians resort to deceit to preserve the status quo. thankfully we have these kind speakers who point us to God's love and are leading many to repentance.
@@andytyler6252 I pointed out how that scripture applies to what happened in the church, consistent with the message in the video. some have misused it against anything they don't personally agree with, but you shouldn't make such an accusation without proof.
They took some serious liberties when recounting the story of Sodom. Those two men weren't random travalers they were Angels sent to retrieve Lot before God destroyed the city.
Jordan Gardner I was thinking the same thing.. because they did so it does change the whole story of their premise of what they're trying to achieve knowing that full detail if they were not human that they were angels and On Assignment to save lot changes up everything.. Smh.. if we tell the truth you have to tell it in detail and in love or us the people who are listening to your truth will never hear the real truth , just a half truth which is a whole lie. IM JUST SAYING.
@Jordan Gardner--I would go further to say they are false teachers who don't want to accept and teach what the Bible says about the subject. We don't judge, but the Bible does. It's not being kind to people to deliberately ignore what the Bible teaches. The speakers left out all the passages that address the subject directly.
To my fellow “Christians” who are leaving hateful comments on this video: Matthew 22: 36-40 [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law? [37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 1 John 2:9-11 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. Basically. One thing is needed to get into the kingdom of God. Belief in Jesus as his son, and that he’s taken your sins. The fact that you are using God’s word to hate on pastors that share their interpretations on scripture (which, by the way, i can assure you that all of you read interpretations of the Bible allegedly “every day”) and to hate on people because of who they love is the real blasphemy here. Love God, Love Your Neighbor. Since y’all are “so direct”, let me just point out that there is no “unless” after that scripture. So, if you hate people so much for who they are, there is no need to talk about it, ESPECIALLY in Jesus’s name. That’s blasphemous. Bigots like you people are the reason so many people turn away from or refuse to associate with Christianity. Though we, as Christians should be loving, all we seem to send towards other is judgement and hate. Who do you think you are? Signed, -A 15 Year Old Christian.
That's in the new testament, you can't cherry pick evidence, it paints the entire religion under a coat used in the new testament, you have to take into account the entire book and not just take bits and pieces, not only that but there are many branches of Christianity that each have different explainations on how to reach heaven
Better is open rebuke Than love that is concealed. (Proverbs 27:5) The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. (1 Corinthians 2:15) Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? (Mathew 7:1-3) Yes we are saved by grace through faith but we are not to compromise the truth for the world, but instead refute people who spread lies in a loving way
I don't think they were "speaking out" against interpreting it to match your beliefs full stop, more so against overly simplistic interpretations that treat the bible as having a single definitive voice.
And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds [i.e., peoples]? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people." But the answer of his people was only that they said, "Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure." So We saved him and his family, except for his wife; she was of those who remained [with the evildoers]. And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals. Qur'an 7:80-84 --
When Paul says in Christ there is neither male nor female.. He means we are all equal as humans in the sight of the lord regardless of our genitalia.. Don't get it twisted it
I like how the two ministers talk about not twisting scripture, and look at the entire context, then they go ahead and twist scripture and not look at the entire context. The bible is supposed to be a book that teaches righteousness and love, yet when people accept sin and corruption as okay and acceptable just to please some political agenda, you're not loving people - you're misguiding them. Sin is a sin, and we're all sinners. We come before God and thank Jesus for his sacrifice to deliver us from sin. We don't go ahead and say well now we're saved, it is okay to keep sinning. Instead, we study the scripture to know right from wrong and we discipline ourselves to prevent our sinful nature from taking control. Likewise, we shouldn't tell people that what they're doing is okay, just to make them feel better about themselves. When people say homosexuality is not a sin and is okay, they're only going to trip these people from following God. You should love them because we're all children of God, but instead of saying what they're doing is okay, you need to guide them and make them better. A good example is mental disorders such as depression. You shouldn't threaten, mock, or seclude people with depression and other mental disorders, nor should you say that feel depressed and suicidal is normal and they're totally okay. Instead, you need to show them love and support and help them get better.
Christian Girl, it means we are not this flesh; this encasing; this cocoon. This shell doesn't make us who we are. It's just where we reside/housed for the time being. We are WHAT makes us move; WHAT animates us. Read it. HE said HIS image. WHAT is HE? Spirit. Love.
Lt. Nan , sin is sin. What is sin? Think about Jesus and the whole cross scenario. Why did God forsake Jesus that day? What was put upon Jesus that made God look the other way? God could have saved him. Why didn't he? Isn't it not stated, 'flesh is to sin?' God is not about saving flesh. Flesh equates to sin. That's why we ARE sinners. This flesh; this corruptible shell we reside in. God is seeking that which resides in that shell, that fleshy house; The Spirt. As long as we live on earth, we will always be separated from God. We must move away from, "your "sin" is worse than mine." Your flesh is not worse than mine because it is ALL SIN in HIS eyes. The sooner we can realize that, we can really work on what God intended; that Holy Spirit filled relationship with HIM. You can only serve God in spirit and in truth.
Because one agrees that homosexuality is wrong does not make it hate,except that you want it to as it also makes you much more woke in some eyes. Jesus loves all and calls homosexuals as well as other sinners to repent.thanks
A bit of a strawman argument, don't you think? Aside from "learning" to arrive at conclusions you find agreeable and blind hatred, surely there is room for other nuances? I can think of literally dozens of them...
@@joebriggs5781 I ask you what privileges homosexuals do not have that anyone else in America has,apparently you were without answer,so I will take it as that and your statement would be false.thanks
Then he wasn't Jewish. The modern Jewish Hebrew language was developed long after Moses and the flood, about 400BC. Their version of Hebrew has no similarity to the Paleo-Hebrew language in use by the writers of the Old Testament. If the people who identify as the Jewish racial groups today were the Hebrews of ancient biblical script, they would not have developed their own language and call it Hebrew. They would have simply improved upon their original Hebrew language and we would find the Paleo-Hebrew roots within their version and this does not exist. The racial group of the Paleo-Hebrew language would be the genetic lineage of Israel. Did the people who call themselves Jews reinvent themselves in 400BC?
First off, the Bible does say a lot about who God is. Secondly, the Bible does have one definition of marriage. Thirdly, I find it funny that they took the story of Sodom out of context. It wasn't just two men that went into the town. It was two angels in the form of men. Fourthly(?), the Galatians scripture CANNOT be used for a counterpoint for gender identity. The "bathroom" issue is over a physical presence, not a spiritual issue. "There's no man or woman" is meant to reflect on the fact that the soul is what is being saved and redeemed, not the social status.
i agree it wasn't phrased well. what i think he meant was that we have made advances in our understanding of a range of issues since it was written, that we shouldn't necessarily base what we do on outdated ideas and practices. he later 15:40 that we continue to base our society on the scriptures. and 16:27 about basing our values and morality on the bible. i think his point is not to use the bible as prooftexts and look for precedents to push discriminatory beliefs, and instead look at the underlying values such as non-discrimination.
Actually this is true of all churches who teach from the modern bibles. The Gospel has been bastardized and the word of God changed. Men no longer understand the message of Love. They now spend their lives thinking in terms of "sin". The Gospel, the real Gospel does not teach in this way. Jesus taught that Love fulfills the law.
@@WalkingFree-eo8mc You are a very smart person Walking Free. The message is simple. Kindness and love toward all. It is not always easy. I fall short quite often but pick myself up and try and try again. It is a pleasure to meet you. Thank you!
@@franco634 you as well brother! It's all what love is about. Loving even the most difficult of people. If God wasn't as patient as he is in love, we would all be doomed. We fall short all the time, even as Believers
You gave up something to be closer to the Lord and you got delivered . What the LGBTQ's won't accept is that they must sacrifice their lifestyle to be heard from God. They want God's blessing but, don't want to do what God tells them to do in regard to ridding their lives of sin that OFFENDS God.
Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' [23] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
You are reducing the God who said faith the size of a mustard seed is sufficient to a works-based God. Jesus also spoke that to the self righteous, not the the persecuted. Those who God clearly accepted were not those who even completely understood everything to know about him. Everyone sins, regardless of whether you hold homosexuality as a sin. And even so, God is loving, and he wants all who believe in Him and accept his grace to be with him.
Most people here saying they have read the Bible have not. They have read someone's translation of the original language unless they know Hebrew and read the original text. Therefore, they are reading text through the lenses of the tranlator(s).
Very true. The most accurate English version is the New King James, because it skips the Latin translation and comes directly from Hebrew. Still, there are certain words and concepts that do not have a direct Hebrew to English translation.
Jesus spoke Aramaic. I have seen translations of this that are way different than the King James, and other versions. You can find versions here on UA-cam.
@yurei8 None of the original texts are in Aramaic. I think there is a verse or two that quotes Aramaic, but all the original manuscripts are primarily in Greek or Hebrew. Now, there *are* translations that come out a little different than the King James, but, to the extent that this is a result if using different sources, these simply privilege different manuscripts *of the same language.* There is no version that relies on "the original Aramaic," because, even if such manuscripts ever existed (and we don't know that they did), there are certainly no copies of these around today.
Aramaic, Greek, Hebrews, Italian, and likely many others were the languages spoken in scripture. Someone translated them at some point in time using understanding from their time and context into Latin. It is retranslated, updated, etc by people over time using their best judgement from their historic contexts. That people would be willing to condemn a whole group of people based on a very few passages that may or may not apply to that group and which has been translated and retranslated over time by various peoples from various contexts without even entertaining the POSSIBILITY they could have less than clear understanding is insane.
@@theopkingdom3433 Minor correction my brother in Christ, it was not Italian. Italians/Romans spoke Latin back then. Over hundreds of years Latin evolved and became Italian, Spanish, French, Romanian, etc.
Paul warned us about the false teachers. The teachers that make points that sound smart and make sense. He warns about them, and this video includes people he spoke about.
those who know the truth will find this easily misinterpreted and false but those who don't know the truth WHOA to them leading the Lord people astray to make it sound that its ok to fit their desires into their lives by twisting God's truth
😂😂 “teachers that make points that sound smart and makes sense”. Warning to believe what doesn’t make sense is the alternative? That’s the back up plan for your mind to stay imprisoned
@@1108dmv No... ...it simply means that it's important to read, know and understand scripture in its proper and correct context, or else be deceived by false, inaccurate or disingenuous teachings.
@@DarkPablo the decay and corruption in my society has nothing to do with homosexuality in any way. It's entirely the result of corporatist politicians, corporations, a shitbag moralizing "christians," trying to inflict a theocracy on us.
Sure. Live the way you want. Just don't force religious people to endrose or participate in your way of live. Like forcing them to make cakes or decorate flowers for your wedding.
God spelled it out very plainly. "Detestable" and "abomination"are pretty strong words. Don't kid yourself. It wasn't put in the bible for no reason. It was a clear warning not to be interpreted your own way however you see fit. I would never treat differently or love anyone one ounce less because of their orientation EVER.
@@WandasGaySon yeah, the “man shall not sleep with man” is “man shall not sleep with boy” as in paedophilia. Not homosexuality. The word Homosexuality was first seen in the English language in 1892. Leviticus 18 was written in about 332 BC. I wish we could do what makes our Lord God truly happy and ‘love thy neighbor’ instead of hurt and disdain them.
@@WandasGaySon "Where in the Bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin?" Right in the book of Leviticus! "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13). You can not dictate to God!
Christian definition of discernment: perception in the absence of JUDGMENT with a view to obtaining spiritual guidance and understanding. So, I guess your right, anyone (preacher's included) can make the Bible say what they see as the truth.
I mind my own business when LGBT community stop teaching the younger generation that being homosexuel is okay ,and teaching parents that they have to let kids decide their gender.
@@salahmed2805 ? So then you're not ok with it. It's not telling them what they have to be. It's telling them that they can be whatever they feel they are...
You've conveniently left out Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Have a think about what those scriptures mean to your argument that homosexuality is not a sin.
They also left out Corinthians 11:6 "For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head." Leviticus 19:27 Do not cut the hair on the sides of your head nor shave your beard Timothy 2:12 A woman shall not hold authority over a man or usurp a mans authority Corinthians 14: " Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." Bible says what it says right.
@@michaelibraniibrani9029 The Bible says nothing about what kind of marriage "God allows". The OT law even affirmed polygamy and concubines. Just because the Bible refers positively to marriage between a man and a woman says nothing one way or the other about what God thinks of two men or two women.
If you actually read the Bible, you would know “those men” were angels coming to get Lot out of the city because God was going to destroy the city. God told Abraham about it before the situation you mentioned happened.
they were angels and depraved inhabitants of the city were requiring Lot to deliver angels to them for their depraved goals. what a shame all this presentation on ted!!! same depraved mind to please depraved people of now days...
@@sunray535 how the heck these two ted perverts concluded that two strangers from the bible were two committed to each other homosexuals???? these two ted folks are tooo fkcung much!!!!!
Greg Jacques Lucifer's Jizz Gargler he did that to give humans free will. All of the world’s chaos and destruction is caused by Satan combined with the wicked will of humans. To live in a perfect world, we would need to be robbed of this free will. All God has wanted from the beginning was to live happily with humans, hence literally the WHOLE Bible. What he chooses to do is allow a way for those who want to live with him eternally to do so, through his son Jesus Christ. I don’t know if that really answers your question but I tried.
@Mary Harrison the Bible is clear that these were angels and that Lot knew they were angels. Why do people insist on commenting on scripture without doing their research? Genesis 19:1 19 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Actually it is correct the way it is put in Scripture. God knows all of us better than we know ourselves. As He said “ before I knit you together in your mother’s womb, I knew you. “ This tells us God puts us there and the spark of life enters us at conception. This is why I find abortion so abhorrent. The only one who has the right to control life is God. Because He created and creates it. How people can think otherwise is beyond comprehension.
I agree "why do we care" was not phrased well. In context, he's saying it's wrong to take texts written thousands of years ago without taking into account what people understood at the time, and to ignore the wealth of knowledge we have today. Later on he affirms that we should take the Bible seriously and learn the right lessons from it.
@@MusicalRaichu Jesus came at a specific time in history for a purpose. This is why his word has lasted longer than every civilization, social construct, ideology, worldview or technological advancement. I have heard countless pastors interpret the Bible to fit their agenda. I have watched denominations that are prevalent say perversions such as , "Jesus is Lucifer's brother," and history has proven the wickedness of warping the word of God. You can dismiss his words, or give yourself context to make yourself feel how you want. No follower of Christ with any curated fellowship in the spirit will agree with this message. Mixing some truth with the lie will not make it better. You are actually passively defending him and that's what the most upsetting part. This is how these people turn the hearts of Christians away from God. We all sin, and the Bible has addressed all sin in the same manner. It doesn't matter what time in history it occurs or what the social structure is or what the sin is. God bless you.
@@TheWorldisInfinite By all means I don't agree twisting what the Bible says to fit one's own ideas. I have always sought to follow what it teaches. But every commentary I've looked at seeks to understand its message by following these people's method: note what it says and what it doesn't say (i.e. read it carefully without presuppositions) and take it the way the original readers would have taken it. That means learning the cultural and historical context and seeing how that helps you understand the message. This video then applies that principle to the example of the story of Lot's rescue and shows that it teaches the exact opposite of how some people choose to misuse it. However you choose to interpret the Bible, I have studied God's word carefully and I agree with these people's conclusions: there is no evidence that same secs relationships are wrong. That's a man-made tradition that nullifies the word of God, that pushes people away from the gospel of grace, and has done so much harm that the church has blood on its hands and has brought the way of Christ into disrepute. Please don't confuse fellowship with the Spirit with feeding your instinctive bias against minorities that are different to you. And I have been hearing more of this belief in infallibility lately. Can you believe some guy in my church claimed that the Spirit led him to believe that the creation story was a historical account!? The protestant belief is that the church can err. You can err. Sorry to be blunt but falling back on a claim that God himself has revealed the right interpretation to you is a crutch to save you from admitting that you can and have made a mistake.
Humans aren't equipped to judge. When we do, it is like closing a mental door. Once it's closed, it isn't revisited further. It closes us off to the gifts life gives us.
If a parent hides, demands to be treated like a parent, and often recklessly endangered their children, whilst playing FAVORITES with others, @Anais S , but was otherwise visible to you, then would you still, hold precisely the same views, therefore? And who chose, to be born 'natural men', meantime?
If God is not the author of confusion then WHY are there so many different denominations in the Christian religion? Why can't even christians agree on points in their own faith?
Justin Kerns Agreed. There are so many contradictions in the Bible it's no wonder Christians can't agree amongst themselves. The Bible absolutely _is_ the source of a great deal of confusion. If you think it's the word of God (which I don't) then you've only got one person to blame.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. - 2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV
When he is going over the Ezekiel reference about Sodom, he neglect the last phrase... 'and did detestable things before me'. These 'detestable things' are defined all over the Bible... some include "Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 6:9-10)."
FYI if you look up what the word is used to refer to throughout the old testament, it's most common use is in reference to idolatrous practices. it's second most common use (mostly in Proverbs) is unjust hurtful behaviour. In a few cases in the latter prophets, the two are linked.
Actually one of the "detestable things" was seafood (Deut 14.10). So I don't think God wiped them because of their callous disregard for people's welfare but because of their diet. Maybe those towns had a chain of seafood restaurants.
@@MusicalRaichu It said fins and scales as it was regarding to the mammals of the ocean, eating these animals would have been unclean, however if it had scales and fines it would be fine, so for instance you couldn't eat a crocodile or a dolphin for instance as they are missing one or the other, they must have both like fish do.
@@mr.chicken.186 i know. i was poking fun at the idea that when Ezekiel said the town was doing "toevah" it meant they were doing one particular toevah when there is no evidence for it. You could just as easily say it was because of toevah food. Rather, the word is primarily associated with idolatry and secondarily with unjust behaviour like what Ezekial had just described. It makes more sense that toevah refers in this case to this callous disregard for people's welfare.
@@seeinspiration4359 honestly, reading the whole bible is the best way to become an Atheist. No way you can read the whole thing and still believe any of it is true.
@Joe Coolioness, I know, the Bible definitely is a lot to take in. When I was younger, I thought it was so boring and refused to read it. But as time passed, I guess someone had been praying for me, because it’s words started to make sense. I understand that a lot of it may be very hard to believe, but sometimes we don’t always take it literally or it doesn’t apply in the exact same way. For example, many people in the Old Testament married family members, which we wouldn’t dream of doing nowadays. Joe, you are lacking faith, and I have to admit that a lot of times I do too. But don’t give up. And you sound very committed if you read the whole Bible. God sees your effort and will reward you. Ask with faith, and you shall receive. I’ll be praying for you my friend:). And hey, something just popped into my mind: I think you should go to a Bible study. I’m sure many churches near you will have it. That’s what Jesus told me to do, and things make a whole lot more sense now:)
@@joecoolioness6399 Come on, try it, have faith, since I was a child I believed that they were made up stories and that is how it was until my adolescence but then thanks to some very kind people, the kindest people I have ever met in my life helped me see things in another way, no I say that now is perfect, but it is the best thing that can happen to you now and at any time.
George Jarrold that’s the point....they talk about unicorns but they weren’t actually seeing unicorns back then. Sodom doesn’t mean homosexuality. That’s the point
@@redneckgirl679 well they certainly knew about Rhinos. The inhabitants of Sodom were guilty of sinful conduct in many ways and one they all shared was the unnatural lust for homosexuality. They knew it was not in accordance with the natural order of things as ordained by God, but they made no attempt to control themselves and were shameless. Why do you think that Sodom had no connection with homosexuality?.
As a basis for acceptance in heaven why wasn’t the condition of “Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God?” and “ Did you accept Him as your Personal Saviour?” EVER come up...
For Real! I hated the try-to-be funny "bit" about unicorns in the beginning. It wasn't funny and we are saved by Grace alone in faith in the finished work of Jesus. Can you still struggle with sin or even homosexuality and still be accepted yes, but you should constantly be transformed into the image of Christ. The Bible should be transforming you to the image of God, not man transforming the Bible to fit their own needs.
half of what people say who condemn samesecs relationships doesn't even appear in scripture either. like "definition of marriage", "complementary-ism", "all samesecs relationships are sinful", "God destroyed those cities because of the H thing", "adam and eve not adam and steve", ...
Scripture read for yourself ! ROMANS CHAPTER 1: 24 ,Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 ,Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 ,For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 ,And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 ,And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; GOD DOESN’T DEAL BY SITUATION ETHICS !
@@savedbygrace8337 That's not even relevant to the topic. The issue is whether ALL same secs behaviour is wrong, not on what male roman idolators were doing two millennia ago.
So what you're saying is that half of what they're saying does appear in scripture... Also, the scripture isn't the only form of information. It's possible to use other sources to come to conclusions. For example, we didn't invent computers by using the Bible, yet computers still work.
Why are people so afraid to learn? So afraid to evolve? I am almost 70 and have learned so much about the differences of people on all levels. Do yourself a favor and listen to those who are different from you, no matter what that difference is. Learn
Just as I expected. They discourage us from cherry-picking, then they do the same and blow their findings out of proportion. I feel especially bad for the way that verse in Galatians was misinterpreted.
@@thelast_dinonugget so you think that since Phillip baptized the eunuch without testing his knowledge means that Homosexuality was not considered a sin by Christ or the early Church? I guess we’re gonna have to Throw out Paul’s whole first letter to Romans, then.
God loves these people too. Pray for them. God loves all people, he said come one, come all, come as you are and I will carry your heartache, troubles, and I will walk with you through them. GOD loves everyone...come as you are.
Dave Nelson that’s true but he still does literally kill the whole city. Which is mass genocide by the way. The city most likely had children and babies in it as well :)
Justin Lugo Yeah your right about the mass kill, of everyone, inc children. But that was also the case in the flood/Noah story or in the last plague killing of the firstborn story. There are lots of stories of the Israelites killing ethnicity on Gods instruction or with assistance. But technically they would have all had be the same race/ethnicity for it to be genocide.
@@justinlugo3732 funny you mentioned that, their is an equally horrifying reality to what happends when you don't kill your enemy in the world of an eye for an eye -which we no longer live in by the way. Simply put, they come back to kill you. But now we have God to take care of that so we don't have to kill people and living things everytime we sin haha.
It’s amazing how they take parts of the Bible and add their own. Those two guys wasn’t just walking and looking around for a place to sleep! Read the WHOLE chapter!!!
If there's one thing I've found, Christians-in-name-only really dislike being called out by more sincere Christians. I think this is why Prophets always meet a horrible fate.
Daniel....no the prophets that did exist and prophecies that did come true, like the formation of the nation of Israel. And there are more prophecies that have not come true yet, but they will.
Six days may work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death. - Exodus 31:15
@Shannon Marden oh nice, rethinking what the Bible says is always a good thing, because there are still people who hurt someone intentionally based on their own readings of the Bible by the way, is for example Genesis 48:13-18 also amended? Matthew 25:33-34...41? Ecclesastes 10:2? if not, can i torture (or at least bully) left handed people to help them become normal, as others did a few decades ago, or as nowadays people do to LGBTQ people?
One thing is sure, God will judge us not on how we want our lives to be lived but on how He wanted it to be. And those who lead others to sin will definitely reap what they sow. Be very careful then how you share your own understanding of His words.
@Nick Rato God's word is to be taken the way it was written. Nothing should be added or taken away. They are only trying to confuse those who don't know God's word. hope I answered your question
If you believe in God the two commands that God has given us is to Love God and Love people and everything else stems from that. Love is sacrifice which Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice to pay the debt of my sins which makes me new and on a different path of living for God instead of myself. everyone bares their own crosses aka struggles but through God anything is possible. I have struggled with homosexuality in the past but I have grown in my faith and trust to God which has set me on a new course of not living for myself but, to love God and Love people.
ngay63 same mines was homosexual porn but it's weird how one act of it I didn't feel like I was gay but if anyone finds out they automatically condemn you and say your going to hell resent you and these are the same Christians told to love your neighborhood like yourself. The experience I saw was very traumatizing and almost made me not wanna be close to anyone. But Jesus went through the same criticism and was stoned to death all because of ignorance and before he died on the cross, he pleaded "father please forgive them for they do not know what they are doing!". So being christians not even about looking pretty to mans eyes it's to endure everything for him till the end. He even stated somewhere in the Bible that as a Christian you will face hardship and it's inavitable but the love is what cushions the blows. So loving hard is the only thing that can save anyone if you ask me. Love God, love everyone even though they can be very ignorant, and most of all love yourself. That's what he wants you to do because he created you as his most beautiful creation.
ngay63 also dishonest, arrogant pride, and sowing evil discord is an abomination too which means it shouldn't be present anywhere in a follower of Christ. A real true genuine Christian is too busy looking at their own flaws way before they look at anyone else's and when they do they have tears of empathy because they know dang well they aren't perfect either. It's a process. So my advice for condemned people who want to be followers of Christ. Just like how success you have to forget what people say and listen to your own voice and people's opinions have been proving wrong millions of times in this world so why listen so much on them. Opinions obviously doesn't require a lot of deep thought to say so you should feel sorry for their poor reasoning and pray for them even when they see you getting blessed and getting jealous wondering why. Then their eyes will probably open. So we are here to save the blinded world to see the truth but we have to love each other first and to love takes understanding and to understand takes time and to understand completely takes a lot of time but in the end everyone cries tears of joy for each other. We are just the missing pieces of each other and the devil tries to create confusion to break us apart and destroy Gods creation which is very sad and I'm pretty sure God is upset about it and has every lasting hope for us and wants us to one day come back to one mind again which is love.
Corinthians 2:14-16 "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God (bible) but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, 'Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?'"
I will not believe that a just God would spurn any man or woman because of their identity! That would make a prejudiced God and I can't acknowledge that.
Beware of false teachers. Those two travellers were angels of God and struck the mob with blindness. They weren’t vulnerable. Funny how details are conveniently left out
@Reegin Maki - might I venture that UNTIL YOU ALL resolve what is or isn't INHERITED curses, and how they relate to 'free will' and how it relates to the 'natural man', and what Eve and Adam did OR did not have knowledge of, concerning, say, risks to more than TWO people... you are, ah, ALL POTENTIALLY false teachers? Or at least, fall short?
I agree. None of us follow the Bible 100% but at least some of us know what it really means and we understand right from wrong. I've committed what the Bible says is outright wrong but at least through Christ's power I can repent and turn around from it. When you can't even see that what your doing is sin, you can't repent and come to be more like Christ. You just become ineffective. You may not even really be saved, you know?
This is exactly what happens when we use the Bible to justify our situation. The Bible is either God's Word or not. If it is, then the 2 people are wrong. If it isn't, then we use it to fight for our individual rights. Put emotions away and face the truth.
I don't know if the Bible is for everyone it definitely was for me. But I believe everybody should be in touch with an inner peace and if it takes the Bible reading to help you get there so be it, if it takes the Quran or the Torah to get there so be it. God's words are universal they're beautiful, as long as man is trying to help each other trying to protect women trying to educate our children and trying to better the world I think we're all doing right by God. That's when a person judges that they're wrong. Nobody can judge but God. Period. So two people trying to prove a point by using the Bible they're both wrong, they're both not God. And they're sitting there arguingly blind then they're forgetting the words of the Bible they're reading.
@Steve Warlee Yes i am retreating as you say, tis but natural to retreat from imminent implosion. I want a better view of it. As for my master i didn't know that Ronald McDonald's keys were taken from him, much less 2000 years ago already🤔 it is vexing and troubling tidings for sure. But job security is an illusion after all. Please know that God is proud of you for rejoicing in torture, pain and suffering of a stranger you met on the internet and you have become complete in your love as its written in 1 John. You will forever be known as a follower of christ because you built your house on a rock and refused to turn the other cheek while calling your brother 'raka' and thus (ironiclly) endangering yourself to hellfire 🤭 (see the sermon the mount, thats in matthew 5-7 if you didnt know). But alas, jesus was just talking to himself it seems as i have yet to see a christian or self proclaimed 'follower of jesus' do ANYTHING he told them. Well done you are a shining example for christianity 😉(Hipocracy needs its exibits too). I love your ignorance of the book christians proclaim as truth. I thank you for painting christianity in this light 👏 Keep it up.
For humans, love is natural and has no boundaries or human control. Therefore people have no control with whom they will fall in love. Most people look for love, and when it comes it is magic, irrespective of gender. Hatred is taught. Most hatred against homosexuality is taught to young people by people who follow one religion are another. IMO all religions are man-made fairy tales mostly written in an age when world literacy was low and the knowledge of science, mathematics and the universe was much less than it is today. Even today we know very little about creation, but enough to debunk many of these so-called religious myths. All religions attempt to control people and tell them what to do. It is a great way for those in power to control the people providing the people are daft enough to believe it.
Signed; The son of man (the head of days) I've yet to find in any scripture in the old testament & Enoch where the lord of spirits calls Christ by ANY name; yet he tells his son is to be known as "the head of days"
He also stated ....... For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.... (Matthew 5:18).... Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination..... Therefore Homosexuality remains against the law.....
It's a good talk, but they sadly left 5 of the 6 texts/scripture parts about homosexuality out :/ The same Paul that was mentioned condemns the act of gay sex. (1Cor 6 somewhere around the 10th verse I think) So there really isn't a way where it is allowed. Note: The bible never condemns being gay, just the act... But then again, if you say: "Who even cares about what the bible says, stories of thousands of years ago" why should you care about what the bible says about anything???
David Rutgers Sure, but it will be long winded. I also don't pretend to be an expert in theology in any way, I have found this argument in articles and interviews with experts in theology, and I'll try to reply with sources, but I basically have committed this to memory. Ok so essentially what is important to remember with the letters written by Paul, is that they are letters written usually to a specific people. The letter he wrote to the Romans is different than the letter he wrote to the Corinthians. They have the same theme and message, essentially, but Paul was actually really good at paying attention to his audience. The different groups he wrote to all had different perceptions of Christianity, they all had different traditions, ideologies, histories, etc. For example, the letter to the Ephesians talks about acceptance of Gentiles into Christianity more than some other letters, because they was a larger issue in that group. There was a lot of sentiment that Gentiles had no place, as they were not Jewish before Jesus came, and they weren't circumcised, and so on. On to your verse. I Cor 6 v9 lists all these unrighteous traits that shall not inherit the kingdom of God. It lists adulterers, thieves, the greedy, etc. It also says "abusers of themselves with mankind," which is the part most commonly interpreted as about male on male intercourse. Here is the context with verses like these. We see similar ones in other letters (there is another example in Romans), and what I have found really important is that the people that Paul is writing to here have NO history of Christianity, and to some extent, little history of Judaism. Very similar to the teachings on circumcision, these people knew little about what was the baseline in a moral Christian life. The traditions or practices of each group were interfering spiritually, and they did not realize it. Paul used his letters to emphasize the spirit that a Christian should have. For each group, he had to explain what practices in each group were in violation to the morality of a christian. he used examples of people and practices, not to point out inherit sin, but to point out how easily these can lead to sin. it would seem, through Scripture, that being a tax collector is a sin, but in reality, tax collectors were just a really good example of greed. Paul pointed out tax collectors to show a person that everyone knew who might be corrupted with greed. In the "abusers" example above, and through the original Hebrew translation, he was pointing out the only practice of gay sex that was commonly know and reported at that time. Within the Corinthians, and also with the Romans, it was really common for highly ranked men, in politics or in military, to rape young male servants, mostly young teenagers. This was no secret, but it wasn't really addressed as a problem. Paul pointed out that this practice was ungodly, violent, and wrong. He could not have been talking about a modern, consenting gay couple, as these did not exist at this time. The form of gay sex that he was condemning was essentially institutionalized rape of young men by their older masters. many modern Christian leaders interpret now, that an adult, consenting gay couple essentially should follow the same moral restrictions as a straight couple, and that both relationships would be recognized equally by God it would be really easy to discount this explanation with "but Paul just meant that all gay sex is wrong," but all examples of sex being talked about as sinful in the New testament are examples of extramarital sex, (a breach of trust with your spouse), or violent rape of a slave.
Thanks a lot for this well thought out (and quoted/citated ;) ) response! I've saved it and will certainly read it again. I'm not totally convinced yet, but intrigued enough to start researching again. Who knows what will be the result of that! To be fair: The explanation that you gave would certainly benefit me as a gay male :) So thanks again and who knows what the future brings? :)
@@Omar-ck7oq I thought we weren't supposed to judge but yet you judge. You judge born free, you judge homosexuals, you judge just about anyone who you don't agree with. You are the phony and the fake. Jesus taught above all else love your neighbor as yourself. This was his law, the Messianic law and the most important of all the commandments. Yet you do not honor this law. You spit in the face of Jesus by condemning your brothers and sisters. Jesus said that the Messianic law is the narrow road to Heaven. I don't know what Bible you read but it certainly isn't the right one. Did you know that the Bible was written and than rewritten three more times over the course of two thousand years. Each time it was written it veered farther and farther from the message of Jesus. Today the modern bibles are worthless and fools like you do not take the time to know the real bible. You couldn't be more UN Christian if you tried. If I were you Omar I would pack up my hatred before it kills you. I wouldn't want to face my maker with that big chip you carry around on your shoulder toward your fellow man. You must have had a sad sad life.
@@franco634 If I were issuing MY opinion of someones value, condemning someone (particularly when it is intended to elevate myself in the eyes of others), it would be "judging", and is soundly condemned throughout Scripture. But when we are agreeing with the standard that GOD has established, it is far from judgement, it is warning someone that they are in danger in hopes of turning them from it before it is too late. With that intent, it is the most loving thing a Christian can do.
Be careful listing to anyone that justifies your own lust and desires whatever that may be. I learned this myself in my own church by not reading my Bible and trusting in man. Just like Jesus died for you... you die to him daily. You die to your own desires and seek what Jesus wants in your life. Read your bible daily, pray that Jesus gives you understanding, and spread the gospel to others in need. This world is wicked and Jesus is coming soon. Be prepared and be excited for his return. Be content and you will have peace and love that will fill your heart. Salvation is between you and Christ. It is a personal relationship. God Bless!
You have been paid well people! But remember there are many people who are being mislead by your words. Remember that one day you will meet your God. He will pay you highly for your teaching.
@@monicafelan531 Yes indeed! These people scares me so much. The world is full of people who have never heard the Word of God. If such people come across this kind of teaching, they will take these words as truth and get lost completely. Matthews 23 : 27 - 28.
Maximus Octavius Maximus Octavius She is referring to the fact that homosexuality is rarely brought up in the Bible. Her stating that homosexuality is mentioned in 1% of the Bible is a fact of numerical data and is therefore a statistic. They are assuming that worrying about what other people do in bed, should not be a christian priory because it does not appear to be a priority in the Bible. It’s equivalent to how the Bible briefly mentions avoiding unclean animals and mixed fabric, yet no one actually does.
Well, to make the point clearer, Jesus' words represent less than 0.3 percent of the Bible, so apparently what He says is insignificant too. This presentation is awful.
Exactly. When I see something in the Bible that is teaching me how to live and don't like it or disagree with it, I assume I am wrong, not the other way around.
A progressive view of the bible may very well be the truth of the bible. The sacred veracity of the word of God should not be questioned. The malevolent and patriarchal interpretation of the bible, however, should thoroughly be investigated. It may be that we have all been tricked into believing ideas and agendas rather than the truth of God's word.
Robin Marie the word of God might not be the one of the Bible. Just think about that. However I m sure that God exists and gave us our reasonable mind as his most precious give. So never just listen to what other people say or have written down.
Norris Hanes I don't know how you could construe this any other way then literally in terms of how they read it. I agree with the lecture having bias, but there's nothing wrong with the readings. Offering up a woman (property) to be raped instead of a man (considered a person) supports the idea that violating a person sexually was the problem. Also take into account the other sodom references and it seems clear.
@@meghanbe Oh really don't take the Bible Literally/Seriously you say???. Every Prophecy written has come to pass with 100% accuracy with only a few more to go .... They were written 2000 to 3000 Year's ago ..... We are living in the Last Day's.....just look around and see what's is happening and has happened, I pray your eyes will open. Seek Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ while you still can before he shuts the door which will happen anytime now. -|-
"these two" are referring to people who claim one can read and interpret the Bible "literally". Of course this can't be done cuz the BIble was assembled around 400 ac from chosen scriptures written in ancient Latin, ancient Greek, Aramaic and then translated eventually to German, Old English and today's English. Lots of monkey business has occurred during these translations.
It's about cherry pickers of the Bible who on one hand claim it its literally the Word of God so mist be taken as written (usually about LGBT people or evolution) and point out the proven history in the book (that certain people named in the Bible did exist proven by historical records ) then when it comes to things they do not want to do,like walk away (brush the sand from your feet and depart ) when their preaching falls on deaf ears or they push to be able to picket/verbally assault people (like Westboro Baptist), they claim the scripture is either open to interpretation or is ideal rather than a direct decree
+Blue Ray - and I suppose you do? Seems to be the literal vs figurative debate has been in place since the Bible was first created and remains unresolved to this day.
@@mauricerasmussen2865 The bottom line is that the New Testament was first written in Koine Greek and later translated to other languages. We know what the Koine Greek manuscripts say about homosexuality and it's clear that these two frauds dont understand Greek.
The fact that he says, “Why do we even care what the Bible says,” makes me so sad that we could just neglect the Word of God. The Truth that God gave us. Lord, please have mercy on us😔
you need to take it in context. he later says 15:40 that we continue to base our society on the scriptures. and 16:27 we base our values and morality on the bible. he meant that we have made advances in our understanding of a range of issues since it was written. his point is not to use the bible as prooftexts and look for precedents to push discriminatory beliefs, and instead look at the underlying values such as non-discrimination.
You completely took his words out of context. He posed the question as more as "heres why we're doing this talk for you guys" and not like "we shouldn't listen to the Bible anymore"
Mark 10:6 However, from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,… they must have missed this one??
@@Nadia-se2ev what? Your twisting it. It’s not procreation. It doesn’t speak they come together for kids. They come together for unity and marriage. You don’t have to have kids though it’s a gift from God even the worse cases of having a kid.
Amaimon Moore Amaimon Moore you two, their message is clear to me, it mimics Christians that only use the Bible literally when it most suits them, it uses the skit show cos these Christians are hypocrites and also show overall that the Bible can be interpreted in many ways, you don’t have to compromise you’re beliefs or your OWN identity, life or morals because one line in a huge book said so, we live in a world where the western world is diverse with different interpretations of the Bible, of religion in general and a democracy (not saying you can’t disagree). The skit is there to support people who are close to Christians like this, and (probs in poor taste) welcome the audience. It is simply trying to support those in the LGBTQ community in saying that they can still believe in their religion, not all LGBT people are atheists
@@amaimonmoore4498 It is in a few and it isn't in others. Really depends on which you subscribed too. Also as far as the Leviticus one goes, you can't use that one unless you rely on the others. No excuse, and no cherry picking. So instead rely on the new testament it does talk about it there as well. Not to mention according to what I read. Apparently, it can also be used as a punishment if done in a certain way. So not just a sin.
You say that, but you’re referencing Levitical law, which no one does or can follow. Christians have a new law. Meanwhile Roman’s 1 is about pagan practices and 1 Corinthians isn’t about homosexuality in general but about temple prostitution.
this video explains the need to read the Bible carefully noting what it says and what it does not say, and to understand it the way the original readers would have. they illustrate this with a commonly misinterpreted text to show that it teaches the opposite of how people misuse it. it would take a very long talk to go through all those texts, which all similarly do not say what people misuse them to say: lev: do not lie with a male as you bed a woman some people: do not lie with someone of the same secs rom 1: idolatrous gentile males were doing shameful things some people: people lying with the same secs is sinful 1 Cor 6: male-bedders won't inherit the kingdom of God some people: homoxesuals won't inherit the kingdom of God
@@Grokford You're such a huge lying demon, it's astonishing. You need Jesus, and if you somehow believe you already are a Christian, guess what, YOU'RE NOT if you don't keep His commandments and truly love Him, which does NOT involve twisting His word to fit your narrative! God HATES LGBT urges, for they come from demons alone!! If being LGBT was okay, God wouldn't have healed me! I never asked for God to change me, He just did it out of His love and grace! So why would God take away my transgenderism & bisexuality if it was all fine? You're not only lying to yourself, but you're spreading your lies to thousands of people. If you don't ask God for forgiveness, I don't even wanna imagine the wrath you'll face. God bless you in Jesus' name
Or we can not pass laws based on someone's religion and their interpretation of it. Arguing with people about how they interpret their religion is a losing battle.
Eugene Rasband yea, the Holy Spirit told this man its wrong to be gay, this other man says the holy spirit told him to be Gay is okay. listening to the "holy spirit" is a useless practice.
the Holy Spirit will always act in accordance with the Word of God. i.e. if the "holy spirit" tells you to rob a bank you are not listening to the Holy Spirit because the Bible records the commandment from God not to steal.
The problem is that secularism, atheism, agnosticism, humanism, etc. can all qualify as religions. So, it often looks more like a case of to whose religion should we listen.
LizAgr71 No they don't. Atheism is the lack of belief, there is no doctrine and nothing to follow. Is the lack of belief in bigfoot also a religion? Religions are cults that follow a common core belief. Rejecting that belief isn't a religion. Shows that you don't think for yourself but regurgitate the nonsense that is spoon feed to you. Atheism by definition can't be a religion or belief system.
Although I admire their assertion that the Bible needs to be read against the appropriate contexts, I do not think their conclusion that homosexuality is not a sin is sound. My major criticism is that the speakers fail to account for many other verses in the Torah and the New Testament writings in their exegesis of the passages they spoke about, such as: (a) Leviticus 18:22 (b) Leviticus 20:10 (c) Romans 1:26-27 (d) 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (In addition, despite their claim that Bible has "many voices," it is a fact that Bible has never addressed homosexuality in a positive light.) I was hoping to see these verses addressed and discussed, but I think they were more concerned about passage of lesser significance. For example: (a) Conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts: If they meant to attack the misconceived notion that those of LGBTQI community can't become children of God, the speakers succeeded well. Otherwise, this is a total strawman, if they were aiming at biblical Christianity (refer to Romans 3:21-26). Therefore, because they fail to address more significant verses that explicitly mention homosexuality, the conclusion that homosexuality is not a sin is unsound.
Yeah… I was wondering how they get confused over the word "abomination" myself.... (which is also about the same word as "detestable".). I am sitting here shaking my head wondering exactly what their agenda is/was here.
I find it interesting when I talk to someone who says that the Bible must be taken literally. So I ask, "So you believe that the universe was created in six twenty-four hour days?" Of course they always say yes. I ask about a few other stories just to establish that yes, they firmly believe that every single word must be taken literally. So then I say, "I see you have both of your hands, and both of your eyes. So you have never used your hands to commit a sin, you have never looked at a woman and thought, hhhmmm?" They inevitably say well Yeshua didn't mean to literally cut off your...I interrupt them at that point and say "Oh no you just said that every word is meant to be taken literally. So why is that action not meant to be taken literally?" At this point, they usually just walk away.
On the flip side, many people don't pay attention to anything in the bible because they think that nothing from it should be taken literally nor in any sense. They invalidate it completely. It should be studied and analyzed carefully for its messages and direction; and we should discern its teachings among its wealth of literary devices and numerous and diverse historical contexts.
I always was seeking truth my whole life and was not religious but when I found that truth led me to Christ I was amazed. The bible is literal, it has so much that it actually opened up so many more truths that I actually was wrong about. EARTH IS FLAT, it is not even a debate, it is 100% verifiable.
@@garikaimakotsi4244 and this basically is the same with the English Bible. People are afraid to face the truth that it bears false witness and teaches mistruths. They would rather continue to believe that which is not true than understand where it is wrong and correct it. Too many people get too much pleasure out of persecuting others with this modern version. Something they couldn't do if they took the time to know the truth.
I know. The serpent misrepresented God as harsh, creating the woman with need for food yet telling her that God forbade her from eating anything. Exactly how the error that has infiltrated our churches tells gays, who have been created with needs for companionship and intimacy like anyone else, that God arbitrarily forbids them from satisfying those needs. Good thing we have kind people like these speakers who seek to correct this terrible misinterpretation of God's word.
m m read the whole chapter of the story of Lot. Second she said Ethiopians was a definition of all colored people! That’s FALSE!!! The Queen of Sheba (which was Ethiopia)stayed with Solomon and also Jesus Himself was in Egypt sometime after His birth. The Bible states in many verses where people was from. So to say this means that is false! They did the same they accused others of doing!
The fact that he said “why do we care about what the Bible says in these stories” they were left for us to learn. It says people will try to rewrite and twist my words. Well here a perfect example right here. People are twisting Gods words for their own convenience.. I understand you don’t want it to be true but the word is bigger than all of us. You can’t twist it like that.
It's not just that they don't "want" it to be true. It's that God created people with physical and emotional needs: "It is not good for man to be alone". Telling people that God made them with these needs but arbitrarily forbids them from fulfilling them misrepresents God as cruel, and subjects people to needless lifelong suffering. They are not twisting God's word, they are correcting other people's twisted interpretations. They explicitly say that you need to look at what God's word actually says and what it does not say, and to understand it as the original readers would have understood it. This is not wrong, this is what every Bible commentary on my bookshelf does. They then illustrate this principle with a popularly misunderstood story and show how, when read carefully, it teaches the exact opposite of what people make out it does. I agree "why do we care" was not phrased well. What he's saying is that it's wrong to take texts written thousands of years ago without taking into account what people understood at the time, and to ignore the wealth of knowledge we have today. Later on he affirms that we should take the Bible seriously and learn the right lessons from it.
Precisely ....These "men" were Angels...who came and stayed at Lots house...that was the first lie they told...& It went downhill from there on... There are people on here accusing people of not knowing or reading the word of God ...taking these two word twisted version as "truth" when in fact they themselves have need to read it...bcus the don't even know it for themselves....the arrogance of it...Gods word is His we have to know it
@@MusicalRaichu Right! These people are from Satan's abode who claim that God condones hate. They think they have the right to persecute you and misinterpret the bible to justify their hate! What an entanglement they have with Satan yet they perceive it not!
I'm sad.. This is beyond belief. I know so many children of 0-80 that are being deceived! I love them but rebuke this and pray for the lost souls that hear this.
@Tala Habern Your theory is rediculous! I'm going to pray for you tala... I know, I know No need because that's what all you say but you know what? I'm going to do it anyways because I love you! Good night and My lord and Saviour bless you and all those around you! I'm out!
@Tala Habern Love takes action! ...and I'm doing something to show you that i love you! I'm putting all my Faith in someone especially for you! I dont know you...so what do i gain? Nothing but sharing Gods love for me with you! That's my reward! Thank you for not wishing me harm. Goodnight!
@Tala Habern Its sincere! I praying God blesses you and im very hopeful for all things good in your life tala. Whatever you've done. He still loves you and sent his only son to die for you, for a real everlasting life. Just talk to him. Even if you think it's all fake...just talk to him and he'll begin to show himself to you. He'll show you just how much he loves you.
5:14 The Bible doesn't need 1,000 quotes in order to get the point across. A few verses are enough. I get what you're saying, but if someone only looks for certain quotes and tries to interpret everything to how they specifically believe, then they might be missing the point just a little bit. Simplicity is easier to understand than complexity.
@@MusicalRaichu True, " there are precisely zero quotes that say that committed homoxesual relationships are sinful." (nor are there any that present any lifestyle alternatives to marriage or singleness). There are, however, plenty of passages that condemn the hs acts that are inevitably part of such relationships. This strawman is a lot like saying " there are precisely zero quotes that say that committing internet scams is sinful." While that is also true, the Scripture's condemnation of theft is undeniable.
The Bible indeed does have an agenda. It is to restore man and woman to unbroken communion with God and to end suffering and every cause of it for eternity.
It has been a combination of different people erring over time. It is not good to blame each other or another group of people for all the world's problems. The Bible says all have short of the glory of God.
Mathew 22:36-40 ( Jesus speaking) My first commandment is to love the lord with all your heart, mind, and soul. My second is just like the first, love your neighbor as yourself. ALL THE LAWS AND PROPHETS SHALL HANG ON THESE COMMANDMENTS. Let's say the old testament does condemn homosexuality. Wasn't the whole point of God coming to earth (jesus) to change the old ways. It also states in the old testament that one shouldn't wear garments woven from two different materials. Jesus came to show us that these things were nonsense. He COMMANDED us to love each other like we love God. If you're judging, you're not loving. If you make laws that discriminate against any person, you're violating Jesus's commandments as discrimination is the opposite of love.
@Laura Streeter Excuse me, can you give me your sources? I'm curious about all that you've said, since Noah's story also mirrors Deucalion from greek mythology, so it being pulled out of another (even more ancient) civilization makes sense
@@Megan-nr7xe it's not hate, there's a stigma against Christ followers that we are full of hate, that we're trying to shove the Bible down people's throats, etc, but people fail to realize that genuine Christ followers struggle with sin, but thanks to God's grace, forgiveness through Jesus' sacrifice, and the direction of God's Word, we are able to move past that. There are a lot of "Christians" who try to use to Bible as a way of judging non believers (which is not Biblical at all). Trust me, they will get what's coming to them. Even then, I'm called to love people and please God, I'm not going to shove my beliefs down your throat, but I'm not going to change them for anyone either, Christianity isn't a practice, its a lifestyle.
If its supposed to be from one point of view then why are there a hundred million different authors? If it was from one point of view then why are there two different creation stories? The bible becomes WAY less credible than it already is if you say its from one point of view
The Holy Spirit teaches love not hate. Kindness not violence. Love your neighbor no matter how your fellow human looks, thinks, believes and loves. It isn't our job to point fingers at the sins of others. Our job is to keep our own souls clean and bigotry and hatred stain our spirit. Judging is God's job.
@@blanchekonieczka9935 I wasn't judging at all. I am warning others who watch this that it is dangerous water to tread. The Bible is very clear and direct and to stray from that is dangerous. The Bible teaches that all words were on divine guidance from the Holy Spirit and written thru Him. Not through all these different humans opinions and beliefs. You can see that through the hundreds of years how everything connects so intricately and perfectly it only could be divinely inspired. It's so exciting to see the pieces when they fit!
@@jeremyeaton5820 I wasn't accusing you of judging. I'm so sorry it sounded that way! I reread my post and was astonished at how badly I worded it. Was actually trying to say the one point of view is love. His love for us. The main message in the New Testament is love your fellow humans and help each other. I think the "judging" part leaked in from a previous response as it was still on my mind. I love reading the Bible and do it every morning with my coffee. God and creamy caffeine, breakfast of champions! Although I do have problems with certain chapters in both the Old and New Testament, I'm constantly seeking clarity. I apologize again for my badly worded response.
You too did well on picking out that people read the Bible wrong. People sont wanna accept what God says about them and its so sad. I see people saying stuff like "no perfect Christain" clearly they did not read the Bible or take it into correct context
I've only watched the first five minutes of this. They are painting what's called a "straw man", that can easily be knocked down, and using that to discredit bible believing Christians. Then they go on to prove to me that they don't know anything about the bible. I was hoping this would be better than that.
It angers me. Much of the Old Testament is literally “reporting the news”. It’s telling us what happened. Just because Abraham does something, or Jacob does something, or the tribe of Benjamin does something doesn’t make it right. It’s just saying it happened. When the law says “don’t do x” then it’s there for a reason. When Jesus came He didn’t abolish the law, “Not one dot of the law will pass away”, He fulfilled it. And Jesus wasn’t a new creation. He was there since the beginning.
I can never fully understand why Christian homosexuals try so hard to prove that the Bible isn't against them, when it clearly is. Wouldn't it be better to believe that being a decent person is more important than being a Christian, and that you don't have to be a Christian to be a decent person?
Vague Ginger Obviously not, since anybody with the slightest of morals wouldn’t condemn fellow humanity for simply loving someone and being themselves.
There are so many things that are said in the bible that no longer apply to modern day people. One thing that is said over and over in the bible is that you should always be kind and respectful to others. Take the overall message from the bible instead of overanalyzing small parts
@ Good point. No one has to really support it. No one has to support hunting deer but, people do hunt deer and there is nothing wrong with it. Like I told my sister, "You don't have to understand it, just leave it alone."
Yes just because an atheist put on a cross doesn't make them a Automatic Christian and that's why people with Gold crosses don't have any value don't trust those with a tatoo.
I get what you’re implying with the cross remark. However millions of people wear a cross and I’m 100% sure ,you as well as anyone lacks the intuition , wisdom or basic knowledge to judge a single one of them.
Did he forget Leviticus 18:22? You know. The one that literally condemns two men lying with one another? Or how about Leviticus 20:13 where they are sentenced to death?
Just read the Bible for yourself instead of listening to others who never read the whole thing and make their own opinions and filters about it. And, yes, I'm including pastors.
It's very clear that's the case for these speakers. A lot of common sayings from many years of watered down Bible teaching.
thing is no one can read the true bible. it's been corrupted by hateful people. translations aren't accurate. The most accurate is the King James Versions of the bible. The other versions are far gone. The truest Bible is the bible in its original language. People can't just take any bible, read it, and make their thoughts because that Bible was man-altered
No
Agree
@@brndnii7840 When you truly follow God he will guide you to the correct path and teach you everything. Even tho we live in a hateful world we’re they change the Bible many times to there own benefits, God teachers the good and the bad to the ones who follow him
There's no such thing as a "perfect Christian"
According to the Bible, there is. We should define "perfect" from how it's used in the Bible to describe people. From the verses below (and there are more than this) it would seem to mean: attempting to follow the example of Jesus as best you can, being forgiven of your sins (having them erased from your record) and repenting (abandoning sinful habits), doing good works, and being united with other Christians.
Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
Luke 6:40 "The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master."
John 17:23 (Jesus praying regarding His disciples) "I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one [i.e. unity of mind and purpose] ..."
2 Timothy 3:17 "That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
James 1:4 "But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing."
James 3:2 " ... If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body."
@@RB-bd5tz And does that mean leaving flawed people in charge of inquisitions, national churches, or as popes? And flawed interpretations of Jews or descendants of Ham, too?
@Lucem yesssssssssss!!!!!
@Xwole O which part of the bible says that jesus is God?
@ Maureen Christ was not a Christian bcoz he was The Christ.
"you shall not lie with a man as with a woman." So, It's a good thing I don't lay a woman in the same way I lay a man. Very different techniques are employed.
i've heard many jokes of this verse, and many different jokes about many different translations, but this might be one of my all time favorites
I didn't understand what you say honestly
I think this is saying you don’t lie with either gender.
@@elesca1883 I wouldn't lie to you, regardless of your gender
MY GOD jajajdk iconic
one thing about the Bible is, you pick a certain verse and it actually talks in your favor… but when you read the whole verse from up to the point that favors you, you’ll realize it has nth to do with you .
therefore i suggest we read the bible in whole , rather than selecting some parts of it to satisfy you at a particular time .
Unfortunately If you read the bible in whole over and over again it does not condone homosexuality. Please let me know what verse tells us homosexuality is normal acceptable behavior
@@juliorosenberg2222 well i’m not much of a reader and also i’m against homosexuality.
but i know for a fact that picking a single scripture might be in your favor but when you read previous scriptures that let to that one scripture, you’ll find out that it wasn’t really in your favor.
or, you could simply disregard the bible completely
There is only one author and one viewpoint that matters and that is Gods viewpoint on all matters.
@@juliorosenberg2222 you can look up the verses. It’s not that hard.
That is why people shouldnt let anyone tell them what is in the bible read it for urselves and you would be amazed.
Amazingly bored
The Bible is the most beautiful book.
i think its true to each to own like poetry and art everyone takes what they want from it 1 painting 2 people will have two ideas or thoughts describing it so n bibles been edited we know many different types its hard to say
Do you mean the part about how you can own someone and beat them as long as they don't die in a couple days?
@@danieltugga4263 Harry Potter is better.
People can make the bible say whatever they want if they ignore curtain passages and missinturperate others.
yep, that's exactly what this video is saying! people can misinterpret the bible to make it say discriminatory and hurtful things. 16:00 onwards
People can get the Bible to say whatever they want because the Bible is polemical and filled with varying and often contradictory perspectives.
The Bible is not monolithic, but instead is a preservation of diverse Jewish and Christian thought, which doesn’t always agree in harmony.
@Touch Blampied AMEN. Thank you for speaking the truth boldly.
@@MusicalRaichu It does not discriminate, the truth of the Word can only hurt people who let it. Too often, people want to taint the Bible to make them more comfortable and more American. They don't want to hear what it has to say if they don't like it.
@@chubbybutterflies8971 But if people who don't know much take the word of vocal church figures who say discriminatory things, then they will genuinely feel hurt. They haven't heard talks like this which tell them what the Bible actually says, so they end up rejecting God for the wrong reason.
"I've worked every day of my life making sure I would make it here to heaven."
Amazing. Every word of what you just said...was wrong.
1000000% wrong. I'm wondering if either of them have ever read a bible
Mormon? Maybe
I think that was part of the example, not what he really believes.
He was acting, it was part of the example. To show us that "some" people actually do that.
They were putting on a skit (which he even pointed out) of the common Christian.
“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” - 2 Tim 4:3
spot on! many teachers appeal to humanity's basest instinct of suspicion towards those who are different, self-righteousness ("thank you God that I'm not like that tax collector"), and sense of power over vulnerable minorities. I'm seeing more and more alleged Christians resort to deceit to preserve the status quo.
thankfully we have these kind speakers who point us to God's love and are leading many to repentance.
Okay let’s bring back slavery then since the bible endorses that
@@MusicalRaichuI don't think "The Dude" meant what you think he did.
@@andytyler6252 I pointed out how that scripture applies to what happened in the church, consistent with the message in the video. some have misused it against anything they don't personally agree with, but you shouldn't make such an accusation without proof.
AMEN! God never changes, nor his laws or precepts. He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. His WORD is true!
They took some serious liberties when recounting the story of Sodom. Those two men weren't random travalers they were Angels sent to retrieve Lot before God destroyed the city.
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All we can do is pray for them.
Jordan Gardner I was thinking the same thing.. because they did so it does change the whole story of their premise of what they're trying to achieve knowing that full detail if they were not human that they were angels and On Assignment to save lot changes up everything.. Smh.. if we tell the truth you have to tell it in detail and in love or us the people who are listening to your truth will never hear the real truth , just a half truth which is a whole lie. IM JUST SAYING.
@Jordan Gardner--I would go further to say they are false teachers who don't want to accept and teach what the Bible says about the subject. We don't judge, but the Bible does. It's not being kind to people to deliberately ignore what the Bible teaches. The speakers left out all the passages that address the subject directly.
I like how there are about 5 people in the audience.
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why?
but 1.4 million on youtube
@@alejandratilano7180 It was at 6am. People are sleepy.
@vctjkhme
They do that on every TED talk.
To my fellow “Christians” who are leaving hateful comments on this video:
Matthew 22: 36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 John 2:9-11
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
Basically. One thing is needed to get into the kingdom of God. Belief in Jesus as his son, and that he’s taken your sins. The fact that you are using God’s word to hate on pastors that share their interpretations on scripture (which, by the way, i can assure you that all of you read interpretations of the Bible allegedly “every day”) and to hate on people because of who they love is the real blasphemy here. Love God, Love Your Neighbor. Since y’all are “so direct”, let me just point out that there is no “unless” after that scripture.
So, if you hate people so much for who they are, there is no need to talk about it, ESPECIALLY in Jesus’s name. That’s blasphemous. Bigots like you people are the reason so many people turn away from or refuse to associate with Christianity. Though we, as Christians should be loving, all we seem to send towards other is judgement and hate. Who do you think you are?
Signed,
-A 15 Year Old Christian.
That's in the new testament, you can't cherry pick evidence, it paints the entire religion under a coat used in the new testament, you have to take into account the entire book and not just take bits and pieces, not only that but there are many branches of Christianity that each have different explainations on how to reach heaven
Josh Platt
Amen!
It’s much easier to love than it is to hate!
@@jeffwelch6605 and it's also a lot easier to ignore evidence than it is to see the truth
Better is open rebuke Than love that is concealed. (Proverbs 27:5)
The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. (1 Corinthians 2:15)
Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
(Mathew 7:1-3)
Yes we are saved by grace through faith but we are not to compromise the truth for the world, but instead refute people who spread lies in a loving way
@@HerveyShmervy are you forgetting the old testament?
It’s always nice to watch people speak out against interpreting the scripture to match one’s beliefs, then proceed to do just that.
Would you argue that this interpretation is more "accurate" in the sense of the word?
@@donovana2861 no, it is not !
I don't think they were "speaking out" against interpreting it to match your beliefs full stop, more so against overly simplistic interpretations that treat the bible as having a single definitive voice.
And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds [i.e., peoples]?
Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."
But the answer of his people was only that they said, "Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure."
So We saved him and his family, except for his wife; she was of those who remained [with the evildoers].
And We rained upon them a rain [of stones]. Then see how was the end of the criminals.
Qur'an 7:80-84 --
@@mylordtakemeaway who does WE refer to
People love to make a God to suite them,this is a perfect example
Catholic Church has been doing it for years. 🥱
True
God is imaginary
@@lizichell2 GOD wont be cause you said so
Things are not true to how much your repeat them to YOURSELF
GOD is real and exists
@@betelhemabebe2763 pretty much a full gone conclusion that God is imaginary as are all supernatural unscientific myths
When Paul says in Christ there is neither male nor female.. He means we are all equal as humans in the sight of the lord regardless of our genitalia.. Don't get it twisted it
Christian Girl PP yP.
I like how the two ministers talk about not twisting scripture, and look at the entire context, then they go ahead and twist scripture and not look at the entire context. The bible is supposed to be a book that teaches righteousness and love, yet when people accept sin and corruption as okay and acceptable just to please some political agenda, you're not loving people - you're misguiding them. Sin is a sin, and we're all sinners. We come before God and thank Jesus for his sacrifice to deliver us from sin. We don't go ahead and say well now we're saved, it is okay to keep sinning. Instead, we study the scripture to know right from wrong and we discipline ourselves to prevent our sinful nature from taking control. Likewise, we shouldn't tell people that what they're doing is okay, just to make them feel better about themselves. When people say homosexuality is not a sin and is okay, they're only going to trip these people from following God. You should love them because we're all children of God, but instead of saying what they're doing is okay, you need to guide them and make them better. A good example is mental disorders such as depression. You shouldn't threaten, mock, or seclude people with depression and other mental disorders, nor should you say that feel depressed and suicidal is normal and they're totally okay. Instead, you need to show them love and support and help them get better.
If it doesn't matter in heaven, why does it matter here?
Christian Girl, it means we are not this flesh; this encasing; this cocoon. This shell doesn't make us who we are. It's just where we reside/housed for the time being. We are WHAT makes us move; WHAT animates us. Read it. HE said HIS image. WHAT is HE? Spirit. Love.
Lt. Nan , sin is sin. What is sin? Think about Jesus and the whole cross scenario. Why did God forsake Jesus that day? What was put upon Jesus that made God look the other way? God could have saved him. Why didn't he? Isn't it not stated, 'flesh is to sin?' God is not about saving flesh. Flesh equates to sin. That's why we ARE sinners. This flesh; this corruptible shell we reside in. God is seeking that which resides in that shell, that fleshy house; The Spirt. As long as we live on earth, we will always be separated from God. We must move away from, "your "sin" is worse than mine." Your flesh is not worse than mine because it is ALL SIN in HIS eyes. The sooner we can realize that, we can really work on what God intended; that Holy Spirit filled relationship with HIM. You can only serve God in spirit and in truth.
I'm always grateful when there's people willing to question EVERYTHING.
so are we going to heaven or not!??!
@@lunacatplays It's not a we thing. I'm trying to make it. Idk about y'all.
It's not wise to question god
Even God.
@@adg5889 it brings severe consequences, but then again suffering will teach you to love, so in that context maybe so in the end
To those who read, and chose to learn rather than blindly hate- We salute and thank you.
Amen!
Because one agrees that homosexuality is wrong does not make it hate,except that you want it to as it also makes you much more woke in some eyes. Jesus loves all and calls homosexuals as well as other sinners to repent.thanks
@@joman388 yes it does amount to hate because you think heterosexuals should have privileges that homosexuals shouldn't. That is hate.
A bit of a strawman argument, don't you think? Aside from "learning" to arrive at conclusions you find agreeable and blind hatred, surely there is room for other nuances? I can think of literally dozens of them...
@@joebriggs5781 I ask you what privileges homosexuals do not have that anyone else in America has,apparently you were without answer,so I will take it as that and your statement would be false.thanks
How does Moses make tea?
He-brews it
Then he wasn't Jewish. The modern Jewish Hebrew language was developed long after Moses and the flood, about 400BC. Their version of Hebrew has no similarity to the Paleo-Hebrew language in use by the writers of the Old Testament. If the people who identify as the Jewish racial groups today were the Hebrews of ancient biblical script, they would not have developed their own language and call it Hebrew. They would have simply improved upon their original Hebrew language and we would find the Paleo-Hebrew roots within their version and this does not exist. The racial group of the Paleo-Hebrew language would be the genetic lineage of Israel. Did the people who call themselves Jews reinvent themselves in 400BC?
Haha, "He-brews it" haha
@@davidwest2963 way to ruin a well executed joke
No
@@isaacezekielthecolorblindg7343 Yes
First off, the Bible does say a lot about who God is.
Secondly, the Bible does have one definition of marriage.
Thirdly, I find it funny that they took the story of Sodom out of context. It wasn't just two men that went into the town. It was two angels in the form of men.
Fourthly(?), the Galatians scripture CANNOT be used for a counterpoint for gender identity. The "bathroom" issue is over a physical presence, not a spiritual issue. "There's no man or woman" is meant to reflect on the fact that the soul is what is being saved and redeemed, not the social status.
No it does not. It does not mention gender nor number of partners. Just that marriage is an important commitment to make if you want prosperity.
Wait...are you against gays? Just asking?
Joseph Savoca God bless you brother
Isn't the soul the most important part of a human being for christianity?
@@danktankdragkings7117 it does
I’m still stuck on the part when the guy dressed like a priest blatantly said “why do we care about what the Bible says in this day and age?”
i agree it wasn't phrased well.
what i think he meant was that we have made advances in our understanding of a range of issues since it was written, that we shouldn't necessarily base what we do on outdated ideas and practices.
he later 15:40 that we continue to base our society on the scriptures. and 16:27 about basing our values and morality on the bible.
i think his point is not to use the bible as prooftexts and look for precedents to push discriminatory beliefs, and instead look at the underlying values such as non-discrimination.
@@MusicalRaichu thank u for clarifying I was also confused
It was rhetorical.
They are false prophets clearly.
Yes, are wolves in sheep's clothing.
Crazy how she didn’t mentioned god blinded them for trying to do such acts
How can you have the Catholic Church explain the Gospel when they themselves live in complete contradiction to the Bible? This makes no sense at all.
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Actually this is true of all churches who teach from the modern bibles. The Gospel has been bastardized and the word of God changed. Men no longer understand the message of Love. They now spend their lives thinking in terms of "sin". The Gospel, the real Gospel does not teach in this way. Jesus taught that Love fulfills the law.
@@franco634 true, and that's all I teach is Christ crucified. Also loving one another. That's all I teach my Sunday school class kids
@@WalkingFree-eo8mc You are a very smart person Walking Free. The message is simple. Kindness and love toward all. It is not always easy. I fall short quite often but pick myself up and try and try again. It is a pleasure to meet you. Thank you!
@@franco634 you as well brother! It's all what love is about. Loving even the most difficult of people. If God wasn't as patient as he is in love, we would all be doomed. We fall short all the time, even as Believers
I used to be a drug addict, drunk and violent person but when I found Christ I gave it all away (Praise GOD) because I new it was sinful.
You gave up something to be closer to the Lord and you got delivered . What the LGBTQ's won't accept is that they must sacrifice their lifestyle to be heard from God. They want God's blessing but, don't want to do what God tells them to do in regard to ridding their lives of sin that OFFENDS God.
Richard Michael McDonnell 🤣
How did it destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? I see no connection. Please enlighten me
Boss: Give me the All Father. My honor before the word, my actions before my soul.
Religion was just made up so that we'd all try to live our lives for the better. It's here to control us and confine us to beliefs from century's ago.
when you learn to spell, I'll listen to you. Figure it out.
Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' [23] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
You should read kjv
You are reducing the God who said faith the size of a mustard seed is sufficient to a works-based God. Jesus also spoke that to the self righteous, not the the persecuted. Those who God clearly accepted were not those who even completely understood everything to know about him. Everyone sins, regardless of whether you hold homosexuality as a sin. And even so, God is loving, and he wants all who believe in Him and accept his grace to be with him.
Most people here saying they have read the Bible have not. They have read someone's translation of the original language unless they know Hebrew and read the original text. Therefore, they are reading text through the lenses of the tranlator(s).
Very true. The most accurate English version is the New King James, because it skips the Latin translation and comes directly from Hebrew. Still, there are certain words and concepts that do not have a direct Hebrew to English translation.
Jesus spoke Aramaic. I have seen translations of this that are way different than the King James, and other versions. You can find versions here on UA-cam.
@yurei8 None of the original texts are in Aramaic. I think there is a verse or two that quotes Aramaic, but all the original manuscripts are primarily in Greek or Hebrew.
Now, there *are* translations that come out a little different than the King James, but, to the extent that this is a result if using different sources, these simply privilege different manuscripts *of the same language.* There is no version that relies on "the original Aramaic," because, even if such manuscripts ever existed (and we don't know that they did), there are certainly no copies of these around today.
Aramaic, Greek, Hebrews, Italian, and likely many others were the languages spoken in scripture. Someone translated them at some point in time using understanding from their time and context into Latin. It is retranslated, updated, etc by people over time using their best judgement from their historic contexts. That people would be willing to condemn a whole group of people based on a very few passages that may or may not apply to that group and which has been translated and retranslated over time by various peoples from various contexts without even entertaining the POSSIBILITY they could have less than clear understanding is insane.
@@theopkingdom3433 Minor correction my brother in Christ, it was not Italian. Italians/Romans spoke Latin back then. Over hundreds of years Latin evolved and became Italian, Spanish, French, Romanian, etc.
Paul warned us about the false teachers. The teachers that make points that sound smart and make sense. He warns about them, and this video includes people he spoke about.
those who know the truth will find this easily misinterpreted and false but those who don't know the truth WHOA to them leading the Lord people astray to make it sound that its ok to fit their desires into their lives by twisting God's truth
false prophets aye.
Exactly correct.
😂😂 “teachers that make points that sound smart and makes sense”. Warning to believe what doesn’t make sense is the alternative? That’s the back up plan for your mind to stay imprisoned
@@1108dmv No... ...it simply means that it's important to read, know and understand scripture in its proper and correct context, or else be deceived by false, inaccurate or disingenuous teachings.
The Hebrew word in the bible that was translated as unicorn means "Wild Oxen" btw.
so why always rely on all biblical translations, including the translation given to 1 Corinthians 6:10, for the terms malakoi and arsenokoitai?
nichols why are you focused on the insignificant details and not the mission?
Wtf wym b?
david nichols cause it saves a lot of time. I do it all the time.
@david nichols I think it's because they are constantly on the computer, and it's unnecessary to type them out tbh.
Lesson: Let people live their own life. It's not that hard
"This thing is displeasing to me and I find no appeal in it... I deem it a SIN!"
PERIODT
Ikr like how does the decay and corruption of the society you live and raise your children in affect you? Just live and let live
@@DarkPablo the decay and corruption in my society has nothing to do with homosexuality in any way. It's entirely the result of corporatist politicians, corporations, a shitbag moralizing "christians," trying to inflict a theocracy on us.
Sure. Live the way you want. Just don't force religious people to endrose or participate in your way of live. Like forcing them to make cakes or decorate flowers for your wedding.
God spelled it out very plainly. "Detestable" and "abomination"are pretty strong words. Don't kid yourself. It wasn't put in the bible for no reason. It was a clear warning not to be interpreted your own way however you see fit. I would never treat differently or love anyone one ounce less because of their orientation EVER.
Did you not just watch the video? Those words are taken out of context. It never says plainly in the bible "Homosexuality is a sin."
@@WandasGaySon yeah, the “man shall not sleep with man” is “man shall not sleep with boy” as in paedophilia. Not homosexuality. The word Homosexuality was first seen in the English language in 1892. Leviticus 18 was written in about 332 BC. I wish we could do what makes our Lord God truly happy and ‘love thy neighbor’ instead of hurt and disdain them.
@@Cat-mv6il See I love fellow Christians like you but hate ones who use god to spread hate and hurt people.
Hope you didn't write this wearing multiple kinds of fabric
@@WandasGaySon "Where in the Bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin?"
Right in the book of Leviticus!
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).
You can not dictate to God!
Anyone can make the Bible say what they see as truth but it takes discernment to recognize truth from error
Yes, and discernment requires a clean heart and an upright mind!
Well no its simply a book that was translated wrong.
Christian definition of discernment: perception in the absence of JUDGMENT with a view to obtaining spiritual guidance and understanding. So, I guess your right, anyone (preacher's included) can make the Bible say what they see as the truth.
@@Ave_Satana666 How's that?
@@JacksonCampbell I forget something about it being in Hebrew like for instance Jesus isn't Jesus he is Joshua.
Why are people so obsessed with the sexlife of their neighbours?
Mind your own sexlife and make it fabulous.
periodt.
Amen sister
I mind my own business when LGBT community stop teaching the younger generation that being homosexuel is okay ,and teaching parents that they have to let kids decide their gender.
@@salahmed2805 Exactly!
@@salahmed2805 ? So then you're not ok with it. It's not telling them what they have to be. It's telling them that they can be whatever they feel they are...
Forever learning but never knowing the truth.
Whoa ima keep this quote PREACH!
@AaronBosley66 Whoa ima keep that quote PREACH!
@Smeagol The wizard you're so smart 🧠 🙄
2 Timothy 3:7
Jesus: "Ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding". - Mark 4:12
You've conveniently left out Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Have a think about what those scriptures mean to your argument that homosexuality is not a sin.
Genesis 2:18 (KJV) And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
God created women to be equal partners and also God only allows male and female marriage.
do some biblical research bro
They also left out
Corinthians 11:6
"For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head."
Leviticus 19:27
Do not cut the hair on the sides of your head nor shave your beard
Timothy 2:12
A woman shall not hold authority over a man or usurp a mans authority
Corinthians 14: "
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
Bible says what it says right.
@@michaelibraniibrani9029 The Bible says nothing about what kind of marriage "God allows". The OT law even affirmed polygamy and concubines. Just because the Bible refers positively to marriage between a man and a woman says nothing one way or the other about what God thinks of two men or two women.
If you actually read the Bible, you would know “those men” were angels coming to get Lot out of the city because God was going to destroy the city. God told Abraham about it before the situation you mentioned happened.
they were angels and depraved inhabitants of the city were requiring Lot to deliver angels to them for their depraved goals. what a shame all this presentation on ted!!! same depraved mind to please depraved people of now days...
@@sunray535 how the heck these two ted perverts concluded that two strangers from the bible were two committed to each other homosexuals???? these two ted folks are tooo fkcung much!!!!!
Greg Jacques Lucifer's Jizz Gargler he did that to give humans free will. All of the world’s chaos and destruction is caused by Satan combined with the wicked will of humans. To live in a perfect world, we would need to be robbed of this free will. All God has wanted from the beginning was to live happily with humans, hence literally the WHOLE Bible. What he chooses to do is allow a way for those who want to live with him eternally to do so, through his son Jesus Christ. I don’t know if that really answers your question but I tried.
@@albusdumbledore8173 agreed.
2nd Timothy 4: 3-4
@Mary Harrison the Bible is clear that these were angels and that Lot knew they were angels. Why do people insist on commenting on scripture without doing their research?
Genesis 19:1
19 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Many will say to him on that day "Lord, Lord" and he will say to them depart from me, I never knew you...
That’s exactly the category these false teachers fall into. The dark rulers of this world never rest. They will corrupt this world beyond recognition.
I never knew you... you who practice lawlessness.
brandywinehammer better translated as “you never knew me”. And more profound.
Amen
Actually it is correct the way it is put in Scripture. God knows all of us better than we know ourselves. As He said “ before I knit you together in your mother’s womb, I knew you. “ This tells us God puts us there and the spark of life enters us at conception. This is why I find abortion so abhorrent. The only one who has the right to control life is God. Because He created and creates it. How people can think otherwise is beyond comprehension.
14:52 THE PASTOR SAYS "WHY DO YOU EVEN CARE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS." NO PERSON OF GOD WOULD EVER SAY THAT.
I agree "why do we care" was not phrased well. In context, he's saying it's wrong to take texts written thousands of years ago without taking into account what people understood at the time, and to ignore the wealth of knowledge we have today. Later on he affirms that we should take the Bible seriously and learn the right lessons from it.
@@MusicalRaichu Jesus came at a specific time in history for a purpose. This is why his word has lasted longer than every civilization, social construct, ideology, worldview or technological advancement. I have heard countless pastors interpret the Bible to fit their agenda. I have watched denominations that are prevalent say perversions such as , "Jesus is Lucifer's brother," and history has proven the wickedness of warping the word of God. You can dismiss his words, or give yourself context to make yourself feel how you want. No follower of Christ with any curated fellowship in the spirit will agree with this message. Mixing some truth with the lie will not make it better. You are actually passively defending him and that's what the most upsetting part. This is how these people turn the hearts of Christians away from God. We all sin, and the Bible has addressed all sin in the same manner. It doesn't matter what time in history it occurs or what the social structure is or what the sin is. God bless you.
@@TheWorldisInfinite By all means I don't agree twisting what the Bible says to fit one's own ideas. I have always sought to follow what it teaches. But every commentary I've looked at seeks to understand its message by following these people's method: note what it says and what it doesn't say (i.e. read it carefully without presuppositions) and take it the way the original readers would have taken it. That means learning the cultural and historical context and seeing how that helps you understand the message. This video then applies that principle to the example of the story of Lot's rescue and shows that it teaches the exact opposite of how some people choose to misuse it.
However you choose to interpret the Bible, I have studied God's word carefully and I agree with these people's conclusions: there is no evidence that same secs relationships are wrong. That's a man-made tradition that nullifies the word of God, that pushes people away from the gospel of grace, and has done so much harm that the church has blood on its hands and has brought the way of Christ into disrepute.
Please don't confuse fellowship with the Spirit with feeding your instinctive bias against minorities that are different to you. And I have been hearing more of this belief in infallibility lately. Can you believe some guy in my church claimed that the Spirit led him to believe that the creation story was a historical account!?
The protestant belief is that the church can err. You can err. Sorry to be blunt but falling back on a claim that God himself has revealed the right interpretation to you is a crutch to save you from admitting that you can and have made a mistake.
Is a pastor?
@@TheWorldisInfinite hello, I'm a Hindu, our civilization is still going strong.
Humans aren't equipped to judge. When we do, it is like closing a mental door. Once it's closed, it isn't revisited further. It closes us off to the gifts life gives us.
If a parent hides, demands to be treated like a parent, and often recklessly endangered their children, whilst playing FAVORITES with others, @Anais S , but was otherwise visible to you, then would you still, hold precisely the same views, therefore?
And who chose, to be born 'natural men', meantime?
@@chrissonofpear1384 I try not to judge. Don't even understand what you're trying to say. Do what you want.
@@anaiss265 Well, fair enough. It depends what you meant by the gifts, I suppose. Or who is giving them?
That may have been my own misreading.
@@chrissonofpear1384 no worries, thanks.
As with all things, take it to the Holy Spirit in sincere prayer. God is not the author of confusion. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Don't really think you can say that Old Testament and New Testament God are the same.
If God is not the author of confusion then WHY are there so many different denominations in the Christian religion? Why can't even christians agree on points in their own faith?
Justin Kerns
Agreed. There are so many contradictions in the Bible it's no wonder Christians can't agree amongst themselves. The Bible absolutely _is_ the source of a great deal of confusion. If you think it's the word of God (which I don't) then you've only got one person to blame.
γρηγορέω 1127 AMEN! 🙏❤
Shelly Rae Reed
God is indeed the same yesterday, today and forever: a figment of people's imagination.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
- 2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV
God bless you👏
Also Roman's 1:24-27 amongst others.
@@ratedg5039 Amen
@@maggietahan4283..God bless you as well Maggie
Just one of the countless prophecies that the Bible has proven true! God bless you!
When he is going over the Ezekiel reference about Sodom, he neglect the last phrase... 'and did detestable things before me'.
These 'detestable things' are defined all over the Bible... some include
"Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 6:9-10)."
FYI if you look up what the word is used to refer to throughout the old testament, it's most common use is in reference to idolatrous practices. it's second most common use (mostly in Proverbs) is unjust hurtful behaviour. In a few cases in the latter prophets, the two are linked.
Actually one of the "detestable things" was seafood (Deut 14.10). So I don't think God wiped them because of their callous disregard for people's welfare but because of their diet. Maybe those towns had a chain of seafood restaurants.
@@MusicalRaichu It said fins and scales as it was regarding to the mammals of the ocean, eating these animals would have been unclean, however if it had scales and fines it would be fine, so for instance you couldn't eat a crocodile or a dolphin for instance as they are missing one or the other, they must have both like fish do.
@@mr.chicken.186 i know. i was poking fun at the idea that when Ezekiel said the town was doing "toevah" it meant they were doing one particular toevah when there is no evidence for it. You could just as easily say it was because of toevah food.
Rather, the word is primarily associated with idolatry and secondarily with unjust behaviour like what Ezekial had just described. It makes more sense that toevah refers in this case to this callous disregard for people's welfare.
Don’t forget they used a “Revised” version of the Bible too and not the KJV, which uses the word “abomination.”
I made it 4:33 in. All I can say is read your Bible for YOURSELF!! Don't let anyone tell you what it says. JUST READ IT!!
Exactly. Go to God first.
@@seeinspiration4359 honestly, reading the whole bible is the best way to become an Atheist. No way you can read the whole thing and still believe any of it is true.
@@joecoolioness6399 That certainly didnt work for me,as I believe all of it is true.thanks
@Joe Coolioness, I know, the Bible definitely is a lot to take in. When I was younger, I thought it was so boring and refused to read it. But as time passed, I guess someone had been praying for me, because it’s words started to make sense. I understand that a lot of it may be very hard to believe, but sometimes we don’t always take it literally or it doesn’t apply in the exact same way. For example, many people in the Old Testament married family members, which we wouldn’t dream of doing nowadays. Joe, you are lacking faith, and I have to admit that a lot of times I do too. But don’t give up. And you sound very committed if you read the whole Bible. God sees your effort and will reward you. Ask with faith, and you shall receive. I’ll be praying for you my friend:). And hey, something just popped into my mind: I think you should go to a Bible study. I’m sure many churches near you will have it. That’s what Jesus told me to do, and things make a whole lot more sense now:)
@@joecoolioness6399 Come on, try it, have faith, since I was a child I believed that they were made up stories and that is how it was until my adolescence but then thanks to some very kind people, the kindest people I have ever met in my life helped me see things in another way, no I say that now is perfect, but it is the best thing that can happen to you now and at any time.
In Middle English and Early Modern English a unicorn is any one horned animal . It this case it is almost certainly a one horned rhino.
George Jarrold that’s the point....they talk about unicorns but they weren’t actually seeing unicorns back then. Sodom doesn’t mean homosexuality. That’s the point
@@redneckgirl679 well they certainly knew about Rhinos. The inhabitants of Sodom were guilty of sinful conduct in many ways and one they all shared was the unnatural lust for homosexuality. They knew it was not in accordance with the natural order of things as ordained by God, but they made no attempt to control themselves and were shameless. Why do you think that Sodom had no connection with homosexuality?.
Or more like a one horned mutant goat
@@forthfarean you geeksneed to read dont take some homophobes words as truth
@@forthfarean first off all the inhabitants were not homsexual
As a basis for acceptance in heaven why wasn’t the condition of “Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God?” and “ Did you accept Him as your Personal Saviour?” EVER come up...
Teresa Saldana they took it out of their bible so they can say this.
For Real! I hated the try-to-be funny "bit" about unicorns in the beginning. It wasn't funny and we are saved by Grace alone in faith in the finished work of Jesus. Can you still struggle with sin or even homosexuality and still be accepted yes, but you should constantly be transformed into the image of Christ. The Bible should be transforming you to the image of God, not man transforming the Bible to fit their own needs.
That’s exactly the point. They’re saying that those aren’t the things that matter.
Thankyou
What about the Billions who have lived and died way before
christ?
Half of what they're saying dosen't even appear in scripture, that's just cherry picking.
Lol so true
half of what people say who condemn samesecs relationships doesn't even appear in scripture either. like "definition of marriage", "complementary-ism", "all samesecs relationships are sinful", "God destroyed those cities because of the H thing", "adam and eve not adam and steve", ...
Scripture read for yourself !
ROMANS CHAPTER 1:
24 ,Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 ,Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 ,For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 ,And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 ,And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
GOD DOESN’T DEAL BY SITUATION ETHICS !
@@savedbygrace8337 That's not even relevant to the topic. The issue is whether ALL same secs behaviour is wrong, not on what male roman idolators were doing two millennia ago.
So what you're saying is that half of what they're saying does appear in scripture... Also, the scripture isn't the only form of information. It's possible to use other sources to come to conclusions. For example, we didn't invent computers by using the Bible, yet computers still work.
Why are people so afraid to learn? So afraid to evolve? I am almost 70 and have learned so much about the differences of people on all levels. Do yourself a favor and listen to those who are different from you, no matter what that difference is. Learn
Just as I expected.
They discourage us from cherry-picking, then they do the same and blow their findings out of proportion.
I feel especially bad for the way that verse in Galatians was misinterpreted.
They didn't blow anything out of proportion. They interpreted it in the most logical way possible.
They didn't even quote the full verses
They have no real understanding of the Bible which is why they can't convince anyone to not belive in anything
@@thelast_dinonugget so you think that since Phillip baptized the eunuch without testing his knowledge means that Homosexuality was not considered a sin by Christ or the early Church? I guess we’re gonna have to Throw out Paul’s whole first letter to Romans, then.
Thats what LGBTs do, so desperate to force their views on everyone they go to any means to do so🙄
God loves these people too. Pray for them. God loves all people, he said come one, come all, come as you are and I will carry your heartache, troubles, and I will walk with you through them. GOD loves everyone...come as you are.
True
They need it
They need it
I will pray for you and your hateful ways. Please see that being LGBTQ+ is being true to oneself.
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Your taking the sodom story out of context by not mentioning how Abraham negotiates with God to save them
Dave Nelson that’s true but he still does literally kill the whole city. Which is mass genocide by the way. The city most likely had children and babies in it as well :)
Justin Lugo
Yeah your right about the mass kill, of everyone, inc children. But that was also the case in the flood/Noah story or in the last plague killing of the firstborn story.
There are lots of stories of the Israelites killing ethnicity on Gods instruction or with assistance.
But technically they would have all had be the same race/ethnicity for it to be genocide.
Tala Habern
What's the point you think it doesn't change?
Woah that's a crazy good point that one.
@@justinlugo3732 funny you mentioned that, their is an equally horrifying reality to what happends when you don't kill your enemy in the world of an eye for an eye -which we no longer live in by the way. Simply put, they come back to kill you. But now we have God to take care of that so we don't have to kill people and living things everytime we sin haha.
Also being gay's not a choice. Why would God be mad at me for feelings I can't control?
Being a serial killer is not a choice. Why would God be mad at me for feelings I can’t control?
Flesh can only sin, by that definition even as a straight guy you're not allowed to give into lust, but flee from It.
It's funny how people in the comments misinterpret the point of this talk.
yes these pea brain sized liberals aren't that smart.
It’s amazing how they take parts of the Bible and add their own. Those two guys wasn’t just walking and looking around for a place to sleep! Read the WHOLE chapter!!!
@@donniesimon9194 highly agree!
@@IsraelCountryCube It's funny how you call us "pea brain" when you believe in a fairytale. The bible is completely fiction.
B-RYE its funny how you come onto a Christian page then spew hate and expect people to listen. Im not a republican and im still Christian
If there's one thing I've found, Christians-in-name-only really dislike being called out by more sincere Christians. I think this is why Prophets always meet a horrible fate.
WestOfEarth excellent post!!!
the prophets that didn't exist? Making prophecies that never actually came true. Like Daniel?
Daniel Essex He apparently predicted the Persians, Greeks, Romans, and our age in the time of Babylon.
Daniel....no the prophets that did exist and prophecies that did come true, like the formation of the nation of Israel. And there are more prophecies that have not come true yet, but they will.
Lmao! "Prophecies do come true, they just haven't yet!" Hilarious.
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act.
-Leviticus 20:13
They tried though.
Six days may work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death. - Exodus 31:15
Shellfish consumption is an abomination and therefore worthy of death.
@Shannon Marden oh nice, rethinking what the Bible says is always a good thing, because there are still people who hurt someone intentionally based on their own readings of the Bible
by the way, is for example Genesis 48:13-18 also amended? Matthew 25:33-34...41? Ecclesastes 10:2? if not, can i torture (or at least bully) left handed people to help them become normal, as others did a few decades ago, or as nowadays people do to LGBTQ people?
It speaks of pederasty in the original Hebrew script, not homosexuality.
One thing is sure, God will judge us not on how we want our lives to be lived but on how He wanted it to be. And those who lead others to sin will definitely reap what they sow. Be very careful then how you share your own understanding of His words.
God is not the author of confusion.
True That Austin
@Nick Rato God's word is to be taken the way it was written. Nothing should be added or taken away. They are only trying to confuse those who don't know God's word. hope I answered your question
@@austinjohnson9706 i disagree.
yeah? do you regularly stone people wearing mixed fabrics?
@@haveanicedaythanks1570 about what?
If you believe in God the two commands that God has given us is to Love God and Love people and everything else stems from that. Love is sacrifice which Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice to pay the debt of my sins which makes me new and on a different path of living for God instead of myself. everyone bares their own crosses aka struggles but through God anything is possible. I have struggled with homosexuality in the past but I have grown in my faith and trust to God which has set me on a new course of not living for myself but, to love God and Love people.
So, basically, you confirm his observation that homosexuality is genetically programmed altruism, it would seem.
ngay63 same mines was homosexual porn but it's weird how one act of it I didn't feel like I was gay but if anyone finds out they automatically condemn you and say your going to hell resent you and these are the same Christians told to love your neighborhood like yourself. The experience I saw was very traumatizing and almost made me not wanna be close to anyone. But Jesus went through the same criticism and was stoned to death all because of ignorance and before he died on the cross, he pleaded "father please forgive them for they do not know what they are doing!". So being christians not even about looking pretty to mans eyes it's to endure everything for him till the end. He even stated somewhere in the Bible that as a Christian you will face hardship and it's inavitable but the love is what cushions the blows. So loving hard is the only thing that can save anyone if you ask me. Love God, love everyone even though they can be very ignorant, and most of all love yourself. That's what he wants you to do because he created you as his most beautiful creation.
ngay63 also dishonest, arrogant pride, and sowing evil discord is an abomination too which means it shouldn't be present anywhere in a follower of Christ. A real true genuine Christian is too busy looking at their own flaws way before they look at anyone else's and when they do they have tears of empathy because they know dang well they aren't perfect either. It's a process. So my advice for condemned people who want to be followers of Christ. Just like how success you have to forget what people say and listen to your own voice and people's opinions have been proving wrong millions of times in this world so why listen so much on them. Opinions obviously doesn't require a lot of deep thought to say so you should feel sorry for their poor reasoning and pray for them even when they see you getting blessed and getting jealous wondering why. Then their eyes will probably open. So we are here to save the blinded world to see the truth but we have to love each other first and to love takes understanding and to understand takes time and to understand completely takes a lot of time but in the end everyone cries tears of joy for each other. We are just the missing pieces of each other and the devil tries to create confusion to break us apart and destroy Gods creation which is very sad and I'm pretty sure God is upset about it and has every lasting hope for us and wants us to one day come back to one mind again which is love.
ngay63
He also commands us to stone homosexuals, so... yeah. There's a third one.
+ngay63 So; Are you now interested in females sexually.
They r trying to understand the Bible without the Holy Spirit
Corinthians 2:14-16
"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God (bible) but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, 'Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?'"
Except god isn't real.
Cocoo262 the spirit of god is not the Bible lol
Dave Miller 😂😂😂😂
AMEN!! AMEN!! AMEN!! YES!!
I will not believe that a just God would spurn any man or woman because of their identity! That would make a prejudiced God and I can't acknowledge that.
Beware of false teachers. Those two travellers were angels of God and struck the mob with blindness. They weren’t vulnerable. Funny how details are conveniently left out
@István Ladányi you like water
@István Ladányi water
@Reegin Maki - might I venture that UNTIL YOU ALL resolve what is or isn't INHERITED curses, and how they relate to 'free will' and how it relates to the 'natural man', and what Eve and Adam did OR did not have knowledge of, concerning, say, risks to more than TWO people... you are, ah, ALL POTENTIALLY false teachers? Or at least, fall short?
@István Ladányi Also, 'not one jot or tittle will pass from the Law' may have left some issues? Like Matthew 27:25, may have impacted, say, Jews?
chris sonofpear1 I agree that we all fall short. That’s the point of having faith in Jesus
The bible is always the first casualty in this issue. You hear a lot of lets change the bible and not enough let me change.
Amen!!
YOU, my man, is a rare animal in this comment section.
Tbh, I don't hear "change the bible", what I do hear is "read the bible responsible". This are two utterly different things.
I agree. None of us follow the Bible 100% but at least some of us know what it really means and we understand right from wrong. I've committed what the Bible says is outright wrong but at least through Christ's power I can repent and turn around from it.
When you can't even see that what your doing is sin, you can't repent and come to be more like Christ. You just become ineffective. You may not even really be saved, you know?
You hit the nail on the head.
This is exactly what happens when we use the Bible to justify our situation. The Bible is either God's Word or not. If it is, then the 2 people are wrong. If it isn't, then we use it to fight for our individual rights. Put emotions away and face the truth.
I don't know if the Bible is for everyone it definitely was for me. But I believe everybody should be in touch with an inner peace and if it takes the Bible reading to help you get there so be it, if it takes the Quran or the Torah to get there so be it. God's words are universal they're beautiful, as long as man is trying to help each other trying to protect women trying to educate our children and trying to better the world I think we're all doing right by God. That's when a person judges that they're wrong. Nobody can judge but God. Period. So two people trying to prove a point by using the Bible they're both wrong, they're both not God. And they're sitting there arguingly blind then they're forgetting the words of the Bible they're reading.
And THIS is how the first denominations were formed. 🎉
Praise Jebus 🤪
@Steve Warlee the desperation in your statement is palpable 😁 and your ignorance of what's actually in the bible shines through.
@Steve Warlee Yes i am retreating as you say, tis but natural to retreat from imminent implosion. I want a better view of it.
As for my master i didn't know that Ronald McDonald's keys were taken from him, much less 2000 years ago already🤔 it is vexing and troubling tidings for sure. But job security is an illusion after all.
Please know that God is proud of you for rejoicing in torture, pain and suffering of a stranger you met on the internet and you have become complete in your love as its written in 1 John. You will forever be known as a follower of christ because you built your house on a rock and refused to turn the other cheek while calling your brother 'raka' and thus (ironiclly) endangering yourself to hellfire 🤭 (see the sermon the mount, thats in matthew 5-7 if you didnt know).
But alas, jesus was just talking to himself it seems as i have yet to see a christian or self proclaimed 'follower of jesus' do ANYTHING he told them.
Well done you are a shining example for christianity 😉(Hipocracy needs its exibits too).
I love your ignorance of the book christians proclaim as truth.
I thank you for painting christianity in this light 👏 Keep it up.
@Steve Warlee wow I'm sure Jesus loves how horrible you are
For humans, love is natural and has no boundaries or human control. Therefore people have no control with whom they will fall in love. Most people look for love, and when it comes it is magic, irrespective of gender. Hatred is taught. Most hatred against homosexuality is taught to young people by people who follow one religion are another. IMO all religions are man-made fairy tales mostly written in an age when world literacy was low and the knowledge of science, mathematics and the universe was much less than it is today. Even today we know very little about creation, but enough to debunk many of these so-called religious myths. All religions attempt to control people and tell them what to do. It is a great way for those in power to control the people providing the people are daft enough to believe it.
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one come to the Father except by Me" signed: Jesus Christ.
Who
That?
The one that everyone should pray to so he removes all these lies from our thoughts.
Signed; The son of man (the head of days)
I've yet to find in any scripture in the old testament & Enoch where the lord of spirits calls Christ by ANY name; yet he tells his son is to be known as "the head of days"
Oh really, I wouldn’t have guessed.
He also stated ....... For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.... (Matthew 5:18).... Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination..... Therefore Homosexuality remains against the law.....
It's a good talk, but they sadly left 5 of the 6 texts/scripture parts about homosexuality out :/ The same Paul that was mentioned condemns the act of gay sex. (1Cor 6 somewhere around the 10th verse I think) So there really isn't a way where it is allowed. Note: The bible never condemns being gay, just the act... But then again, if you say: "Who even cares about what the bible says, stories of thousands of years ago" why should you care about what the bible says about anything???
David Rutgers I'm not sure if you actually want an explanation, but there are reasons the letters of Paul also are not meant as base condemnations.
I'd love an explanation! Gives me a chance to evaluate/rethink my ideas and if needed adapt/change :)
David Rutgers Sure, but it will be long winded. I also don't pretend to be an expert in theology in any way, I have found this argument in articles and interviews with experts in theology, and I'll try to reply with sources, but I basically have committed this to memory.
Ok so essentially what is important to remember with the letters written by Paul, is that they are letters written usually to a specific people. The letter he wrote to the Romans is different than the letter he wrote to the Corinthians. They have the same theme and message, essentially, but Paul was actually really good at paying attention to his audience. The different groups he wrote to all had different perceptions of Christianity, they all had different traditions, ideologies, histories, etc.
For example, the letter to the Ephesians talks about acceptance of Gentiles into Christianity more than some other letters, because they was a larger issue in that group. There was a lot of sentiment that Gentiles had no place, as they were not Jewish before Jesus came, and they weren't circumcised, and so on.
On to your verse. I Cor 6 v9 lists all these unrighteous traits that shall not inherit the kingdom of God. It lists adulterers, thieves, the greedy, etc. It also says "abusers of themselves with mankind," which is the part most commonly interpreted as about male on male intercourse.
Here is the context with verses like these. We see similar ones in other letters (there is another example in Romans), and what I have found really important is that the people that Paul is writing to here have NO history of Christianity, and to some extent, little history of Judaism. Very similar to the teachings on circumcision, these people knew little about what was the baseline in a moral Christian life. The traditions or practices of each group were interfering spiritually, and they did not realize it.
Paul used his letters to emphasize the spirit that a Christian should have. For each group, he had to explain what practices in each group were in violation to the morality of a christian. he used examples of people and practices, not to point out inherit sin, but to point out how easily these can lead to sin. it would seem, through Scripture, that being a tax collector is a sin, but in reality, tax collectors were just a really good example of greed. Paul pointed out tax collectors to show a person that everyone knew who might be corrupted with greed.
In the "abusers" example above, and through the original Hebrew translation, he was pointing out the only practice of gay sex that was commonly know and reported at that time. Within the Corinthians, and also with the Romans, it was really common for highly ranked men, in politics or in military, to rape young male servants, mostly young teenagers. This was no secret, but it wasn't really addressed as a problem. Paul pointed out that this practice was ungodly, violent, and wrong. He could not have been talking about a modern, consenting gay couple, as these did not exist at this time. The form of gay sex that he was condemning was essentially institutionalized rape of young men by their older masters.
many modern Christian leaders interpret now, that an adult, consenting gay couple essentially should follow the same moral restrictions as a straight couple, and that both relationships would be recognized equally by God
it would be really easy to discount this explanation with "but Paul just meant that all gay sex is wrong," but all examples of sex being talked about as sinful in the New testament are examples of extramarital sex, (a breach of trust with your spouse), or violent rape of a slave.
Thanks a lot for this well thought out (and quoted/citated ;) ) response! I've saved it and will certainly read it again. I'm not totally convinced yet, but intrigued enough to start researching again. Who knows what will be the result of that! To be fair: The explanation that you gave would certainly benefit me as a gay male :) So thanks again and who knows what the future brings? :)
David Rutgers No problem. If you want a really good movie about this, I would suggest "Fish Out of Water"
Did Jesus not say Love thy neighbour without any qualifications
Lonestar x Absolutely and I don't know why this is so difficult for people to understand. Especially people who consider themselves "Christians".
@@Omar-ck7oq I thought we weren't supposed to judge but yet you judge. You judge born free, you judge homosexuals, you judge just about anyone who you don't agree with. You are the phony and the fake. Jesus taught above all else love your neighbor as yourself. This was his law, the Messianic law and the most important of all the commandments. Yet you do not honor this law. You spit in the face of Jesus by condemning your brothers and sisters. Jesus said that the Messianic law is the narrow road to Heaven. I don't know what Bible you read but it certainly isn't the right one. Did you know that the Bible was written and than rewritten three more times over the course of two thousand years. Each time it was written it veered farther and farther from the message of Jesus. Today the modern bibles are worthless and fools like you do not take the time to know the real bible. You couldn't be more UN Christian if you tried. If I were you Omar I would pack up my hatred before it kills you. I wouldn't want to face my maker with that big chip you carry around on your shoulder toward your fellow man. You must have had a sad sad life.
@@franco634 If I were issuing MY opinion of someones value, condemning someone (particularly when it is intended to elevate myself in the eyes of others), it would be "judging", and is soundly condemned throughout Scripture. But when we are agreeing with the standard that GOD has established, it is far from judgement, it is warning someone that they are in danger in hopes of turning them from it before it is too late. With that intent, it is the most loving thing a Christian can do.
Franco how am I judging I’m just saying what the Bible days in other words the Bible is judging you
Franco are you saying the Bible is not the word of god are you saying it was changed
Be careful listing to anyone that justifies your own lust and desires whatever that may be. I learned this myself in my own church by not reading my Bible and trusting in man. Just like Jesus died for you... you die to him daily. You die to your own desires and seek what Jesus wants in your life. Read your bible daily, pray that Jesus gives you understanding, and spread the gospel to others in need. This world is wicked and Jesus is coming soon. Be prepared and be excited for his return. Be content and you will have peace and love that will fill your heart. Salvation is between you and Christ. It is a personal relationship. God Bless!
You have been paid well people! But remember there are many people who are being mislead by your words. Remember that one day you will meet your God. He will pay you highly for your teaching.
+Tabita Phiri - Can I pay God on the installment plan or is their a balloon payment at the "end"?
God judges teachers more harsh. These guys profess to be teachers...
@@monicafelan531 Yes indeed! These people scares me so much. The world is full of people who have never heard the Word of God. If such people come across this kind of teaching, they will take these words as truth and get lost completely. Matthews 23 : 27 - 28.
@@monicafelan531 You got that right, they are both men, one is in drag.
He pays so well, our God. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Statistically speaking homosexuality is not a priority for the Bible.” What?! What does that even mean?
Maximus Octavius Maximus Octavius She is referring to the fact that homosexuality is rarely brought up in the Bible. Her stating that homosexuality is mentioned in 1% of the Bible is a fact of numerical data and is therefore a statistic. They are assuming that worrying about what other people do in bed, should not be a christian priory because it does not appear to be a priority in the Bible. It’s equivalent to how the Bible briefly mentions avoiding unclean animals and mixed fabric, yet no one actually does.
Pretty obvious what it means.
Shawnee Chavez there trying to act like just because it’s not in there a lot it doesn’t exist that’s not how u should see it
Well, to make the point clearer, Jesus' words represent less than 0.3 percent of the Bible, so apparently what He says is insignificant too. This presentation is awful.
@@shawneechavez7681 they're not understanding the basic new testament old testament theology
This is a great example of cherry picking God’s Word to suit one’s own agenda.
Nothing wrong with Cherry Picking, it's picking Cherries to throw at people to harm and diminish them that's the problem.
@@chrystgavenfamorcan8507 If you believe the word of God has harmful parts then maybe you're not a Christian.
@@travissharon1536 Never said the word of God was harmful. Just saying using it against other people is wrong Christian or Not.
what are they cherry picking if there's like 4 lines in the entire book referencing lgbt
@@chrystgavenfamorcan8507 I would say using the Bible to do harm is very unchristian.
This is major cope. They cherrypicked one story that had ambiguity when in other places in the bible it explicitly forbids homosexuality.
This lecture should have been called, 'A progressive view of the Bible.' There clearly is an attempt to 'redefine'.
Exactly. When I see something in the Bible that is teaching me how to live and don't like it or disagree with it, I assume I am wrong, not the other way around.
Luke Ducklow and why if i might ask? Reason first, then belief
A progressive view of the bible may very well be the truth of the bible. The sacred veracity of the word of God should not be questioned. The malevolent and patriarchal interpretation of the bible, however, should thoroughly be investigated. It may be that we have all been tricked into believing ideas and agendas rather than the truth of God's word.
Robin Marie the word of God might not be the one of the Bible. Just think about that. However I m sure that God exists and gave us our reasonable mind as his most precious give. So never just listen to what other people say or have written down.
Norris Hanes I don't know how you could construe this any other way then literally in terms of how they read it. I agree with the lecture having bias, but there's nothing wrong with the readings. Offering up a woman (property) to be raped instead of a man (considered a person) supports the idea that violating a person sexually was the problem. Also take into account the other sodom references and it seems clear.
Funny how they talk about taking things out of context, while taking verses out of context.
Thank you for stating the truth
That’s what I’m saying! Yes! Thank you!
Yikes atheists can be hypocrites too? No way!
@Lauren Dominguez That was literally the point. You can't take what the Bible says literally.
@@meghanbe
Oh really don't take the Bible Literally/Seriously you say???.
Every Prophecy written has come to pass with 100% accuracy with only a few more to go .... They were written 2000 to 3000 Year's ago ..... We are living in the Last Day's.....just look around and see what's is happening and has happened, I pray your eyes will open. Seek Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ while you still can before he shuts the door which will happen anytime now. -|-
apparently these two don't understand the difference between Literal and Literalism in Theology.
theses two sound like subversive change agents .
"these two" are referring to people who claim one can read and interpret the Bible "literally". Of course this can't be done cuz the BIble was assembled around 400 ac from chosen scriptures written in ancient Latin, ancient Greek, Aramaic and then translated eventually to German, Old English and today's English. Lots of monkey business has occurred during these translations.
It's about cherry pickers of the Bible who on one hand claim it its literally the Word of God so mist be taken as written (usually about LGBT people or evolution) and point out the proven history in the book (that certain people named in the Bible did exist proven by historical records ) then when it comes to things they do not want to do,like walk away (brush the sand from your feet and depart ) when their preaching falls on deaf ears or they push to be able to picket/verbally assault people (like Westboro Baptist), they claim the scripture is either open to interpretation or is ideal rather than a direct decree
+Blue Ray - and I suppose you do? Seems to be the literal vs figurative debate has been in place since the Bible was first created and remains unresolved to this day.
@@mauricerasmussen2865 The bottom line is that the New Testament was first written in Koine Greek and later translated to other languages. We know what the Koine Greek manuscripts say about homosexuality and it's clear that these two frauds dont understand Greek.
The fact that he says, “Why do we even care what the Bible says,” makes me so sad that we could just neglect the Word of God. The Truth that God gave us. Lord, please have mercy on us😔
you need to take it in context. he later says 15:40 that we continue to base our society on the scriptures. and 16:27 we base our values and morality on the bible.
he meant that we have made advances in our understanding of a range of issues since it was written. his point is not to use the bible as prooftexts and look for precedents to push discriminatory beliefs, and instead look at the underlying values such as non-discrimination.
Is very sad , remember what our Lord God Jesus said, woe to that man by whom the offence comes
Doesnt make me sad. It makes me furious
You completely took his words out of context. He posed the question as more as "heres why we're doing this talk for you guys" and not like "we shouldn't listen to the Bible anymore"
Mark 10:6 However, from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,… they must have missed this one??
procreation. not homophobia. that's the difference.
They missed a whole lot.
@@Nadia-se2ev what? Your twisting it. It’s not procreation. It doesn’t speak they come together for kids. They come together for unity and marriage. You don’t have to have kids though it’s a gift from God even the worse cases of having a kid.
@@Daddyvader7 if you wanna see it this way you are free to do so, but i still believe in my opinion and perception about it
@@Nadia-se2ev well know that I respect your view even if we may not see eye to eye on this one thing. I think more untied us then separates us
Begins with a skit mocking God and his judgement.
Calls The Bible not serious, yeah, these people are def false prophets
Both these people misunderstand the message behind this
@@Feliciant Who us? or the people that in the Ted skit?
Amaimon Moore Amaimon Moore you two, their message is clear to me, it mimics Christians that only use the Bible literally when it most suits them, it uses the skit show cos these Christians are hypocrites and also show overall that the Bible can be interpreted in many ways, you don’t have to compromise you’re beliefs or your OWN identity, life or morals because one line in a huge book said so, we live in a world where the western world is diverse with different interpretations of the Bible, of religion in general and a democracy (not saying you can’t disagree). The skit is there to support people who are close to Christians like this, and (probs in poor taste) welcome the audience. It is simply trying to support those in the LGBTQ community in saying that they can still believe in their religion, not all LGBT people are atheists
@@amaimonmoore4498 It is in a few and it isn't in others. Really depends on which you subscribed too. Also as far as the Leviticus one goes, you can't use that one unless you rely on the others. No excuse, and no cherry picking. So instead rely on the new testament it does talk about it there as well.
Not to mention according to what I read. Apparently, it can also be used as a punishment if done in a certain way. So not just a sin.
The story they spoke about, with Lot and the two guests, is in Genesis 19..and they didn't explain this passage of the bible well.
How so?
How so?
@@ryancrawford1214 those 2 men they mention were actually angels.
Because they are false teachers. When you forsake the truth of God, you get this type of false teachings.
@@eustacianarcis9484 they DO mention them being angles. Pay full attention.
Leviticus. 18:22
20:13
1 Corinthians 6: 9,10
Roman's. 1: 24-27
Let the bible speak for itself about homosexuality. No need to twist the scriptures.
You say that, but you’re referencing Levitical law, which no one does or can follow.
Christians have a new law.
Meanwhile Roman’s 1 is about pagan practices and 1 Corinthians isn’t about homosexuality in general but about temple prostitution.
this video explains the need to read the Bible carefully noting what it says and what it does not say, and to understand it the way the original readers would have. they illustrate this with a commonly misinterpreted text to show that it teaches the opposite of how people misuse it.
it would take a very long talk to go through all those texts, which all similarly do not say what people misuse them to say:
lev: do not lie with a male as you bed a woman
some people: do not lie with someone of the same secs
rom 1: idolatrous gentile males were doing shameful things
some people: people lying with the same secs is sinful
1 Cor 6: male-bedders won't inherit the kingdom of God
some people: homoxesuals won't inherit the kingdom of God
@@Grokford You're such a huge lying demon, it's astonishing. You need Jesus, and if you somehow believe you already are a Christian, guess what, YOU'RE NOT if you don't keep His commandments and truly love Him, which does NOT involve twisting His word to fit your narrative! God HATES LGBT urges, for they come from demons alone!! If being LGBT was okay, God wouldn't have healed me! I never asked for God to change me, He just did it out of His love and grace! So why would God take away my transgenderism & bisexuality if it was all fine? You're not only lying to yourself, but you're spreading your lies to thousands of people. If you don't ask God for forgiveness, I don't even wanna imagine the wrath you'll face. God bless you in Jesus' name
Or we can not pass laws based on someone's religion and their interpretation of it. Arguing with people about how they interpret their religion is a losing battle.
bakslashr This is why we must rely on the Holy Spirit and listen for the answer when we have a question!
Eugene Rasband yea, the Holy Spirit told this man its wrong to be gay, this other man says the holy spirit told him to be Gay is okay. listening to the "holy spirit" is a useless practice.
the Holy Spirit will always act in accordance with the Word of God. i.e. if the "holy spirit" tells you to rob a bank you are not listening to the Holy Spirit because the Bible records the commandment from God not to steal.
The problem is that secularism, atheism, agnosticism, humanism, etc. can all qualify as religions. So, it often looks more like a case of to whose religion should we listen.
LizAgr71 No they don't. Atheism is the lack of belief, there is no doctrine and nothing to follow. Is the lack of belief in bigfoot also a religion? Religions are cults that follow a common core belief. Rejecting that belief isn't a religion. Shows that you don't think for yourself but regurgitate the nonsense that is spoon feed to you. Atheism by definition can't be a religion or belief system.
Although I admire their assertion that the Bible needs to be read against the appropriate contexts, I do not think their conclusion that homosexuality is not a sin is sound.
My major criticism is that the speakers fail to account for many other verses in the Torah and the New Testament writings in their exegesis of the passages they spoke about, such as:
(a) Leviticus 18:22
(b) Leviticus 20:10
(c) Romans 1:26-27
(d) 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
(In addition, despite their claim that Bible has "many voices," it is a fact that Bible has never addressed homosexuality in a positive light.)
I was hoping to see these verses addressed and discussed, but I think they were more concerned about passage of lesser significance. For example:
(a) Conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts: If they meant to attack the misconceived notion that those of LGBTQI community can't become children of God, the speakers succeeded well. Otherwise, this is a total strawman, if they were aiming at biblical Christianity (refer to Romans 3:21-26).
Therefore, because they fail to address more significant verses that explicitly mention homosexuality, the conclusion that homosexuality is not a sin is unsound.
Judge not
Kathryn Ruhl judge with a discerning heart.
Yeah… I was wondering how they get confused over the word "abomination" myself.... (which is also about the same word as "detestable".). I am sitting here shaking my head wondering exactly what their agenda is/was here.
@@user-dp4bu8jy4b I struggle to see what you exactly mean by that.
Thank you for your clear explanation of why they made an invalid argument!
The way those letters are taped on is lowkey mood
Funny laughed
I saw that and laughed way too much
🤭
Hahaha. I saw the tape and thought the same thing. 🤔🤔🤔
I find it interesting when I talk to someone who says that the Bible must be taken literally.
So I ask, "So you believe that the universe was created in six twenty-four hour days?" Of course they always say yes.
I ask about a few other stories just to establish that yes, they firmly believe that every single word must be taken literally.
So then I say, "I see you have both of your hands, and both of your eyes. So you have never used your hands to commit a sin, you have never looked at a woman and thought, hhhmmm?"
They inevitably say well Yeshua didn't mean to literally cut off your...I interrupt them at that point and say "Oh no you just said that every word is meant to be taken literally. So why is that action not meant to be taken literally?"
At this point, they usually just walk away.
On the flip side, many people don't pay attention to anything in the bible because they think that nothing from it should be taken literally nor in any sense. They invalidate it completely. It should be studied and analyzed carefully for its messages and direction; and we should discern its teachings among its wealth of literary devices and numerous and diverse historical contexts.
Chilly, I think you're right. In fact, that's exactly how I feel about Darwin's Origin of Species.
Sounds like a scheme of Satan , teaching the people it has no power or relevance in today's modern world it's to outdated.. I got news for them!!
I always was seeking truth my whole life and was not religious but when I found that truth led me to Christ I was amazed. The bible is literal, it has so much that it actually opened up so many more truths that I actually was wrong about. EARTH IS FLAT, it is not even a debate, it is 100% verifiable.
This talk invalidates the bible if you believe like they do.
@@consv all or nothing... its the cause of a majority of the problems today
Why doesn't TedTalks also make a video about the Koran and explain how they take things "out of context"?
they are afraid of the severe backlash and physical response they might get 😉😉😉
@@garikaimakotsi4244 and this basically is the same with the English Bible. People are afraid to face the truth that it bears false witness and teaches mistruths. They would rather continue to believe that which is not true than understand where it is wrong and correct it. Too many people get too much pleasure out of persecuting others with this modern version. Something they couldn't do if they took the time to know the truth.
Gloria TX. Probably because they do.
That's where you come in
Islam whould have decapitated them ...Islam is low IQ philosophically so they keep it last ...
I get the impression these two don't know God. "Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy."
agreed. otherwise they wouldn’t be twisting Gods word.
I almost threw up at ‘the scriptures don’t speak with one voice’ 😢
@@zoebelle7466 Of course they always will and Always have there's no hope for them.
yess!! i was thinking the same.. they are trying to manipulate the word into their "own context" smh
@@arnoldgongora sounds like every religious individual ever
This really reminds of the Serpent in the garden of Eden twisting God's Word.
I know. The serpent misrepresented God as harsh, creating the woman with need for food yet telling her that God forbade her from eating anything.
Exactly how the error that has infiltrated our churches tells gays, who have been created with needs for companionship and intimacy like anyone else, that God arbitrarily forbids them from satisfying those needs.
Good thing we have kind people like these speakers who seek to correct this terrible misinterpretation of God's word.
You say that because you can’t answer the questions they pose.
Ignorance is not holy.
They talk about cherry-picking to fit their own viewpoint and then do the exact same thing x10000
if you actually watch the video you will see they don't do that at all.
@@mm-dn6oe They totally do that.
@@RichardSmith-ep5uv Could you point me to one example?
m m read the whole chapter of the story of Lot. Second she said Ethiopians was a definition of all colored people! That’s FALSE!!! The Queen of Sheba (which was Ethiopia)stayed with Solomon and also Jesus Himself was in Egypt sometime after His birth. The Bible states in many verses where people was from. So to say this means that is false! They did the same they accused others of doing!
@@mm-dn6oe they actually do. They missed and twisteda lot of stuff. The Bible says a lot more about homosexuality.
The fact that he said “why do we care about what the Bible says in these stories” they were left for us to learn. It says people will try to rewrite and twist my words. Well here a perfect example right here. People are twisting Gods words for their own convenience.. I understand you don’t want it to be true but the word is bigger than all of us. You can’t twist it like that.
It's not just that they don't "want" it to be true. It's that God created people with physical and emotional needs: "It is not good for man to be alone". Telling people that God made them with these needs but arbitrarily forbids them from fulfilling them misrepresents God as cruel, and subjects people to needless lifelong suffering.
They are not twisting God's word, they are correcting other people's twisted interpretations. They explicitly say that you need to look at what God's word actually says and what it does not say, and to understand it as the original readers would have understood it. This is not wrong, this is what every Bible commentary on my bookshelf does.
They then illustrate this principle with a popularly misunderstood story and show how, when read carefully, it teaches the exact opposite of what people make out it does.
I agree "why do we care" was not phrased well. What he's saying is that it's wrong to take texts written thousands of years ago without taking into account what people understood at the time, and to ignore the wealth of knowledge we have today. Later on he affirms that we should take the Bible seriously and learn the right lessons from it.
Precisely
....These "men" were Angels...who came and stayed at Lots house...that was the first lie they told...& It went downhill from there on...
There are people on here accusing people of not knowing or reading the word of God ...taking these two word twisted version as "truth" when in fact they themselves have need to read it...bcus the don't even know it for themselves....the arrogance of it...Gods word is His we have to know it
Yes
@@MusicalRaichu Right! These people are from Satan's abode who claim that God condones hate. They think they have the right to persecute you and misinterpret the bible to justify their hate! What an entanglement they have with Satan yet they perceive it not!
@@jamberry8026 what are you talking about ??
I'm sad.. This is beyond belief. I know so many children of 0-80 that are being deceived! I love them but rebuke this and pray for the lost souls that hear this.
@Tala Habern what's the reward for the con? It seems more like the unbelieving are winning. That's the con!
@Tala Habern Your theory is rediculous! I'm going to pray for you tala... I know, I know No need because that's what all you say but you know what? I'm going to do it anyways because I love you! Good night and My lord and Saviour bless you and all those around you! I'm out!
@Tala Habern Love takes action! ...and I'm doing something to show you that i love you! I'm putting all my Faith in someone especially for you! I dont know you...so what do i gain? Nothing but sharing Gods love for me with you! That's my reward! Thank you for not wishing me harm. Goodnight!
@Tala Habern Its sincere! I praying God blesses you and im very hopeful for all things good in your life tala. Whatever you've done. He still loves you and sent his only son to die for you, for a real everlasting life. Just talk to him. Even if you think it's all fake...just talk to him and he'll begin to show himself to you. He'll show you just how much he loves you.
The people in my life know that I love them. If you were around me you'd know that too! My prayer will be extra hopeful just for you Tala.
5:14 The Bible doesn't need 1,000 quotes in order to get the point across. A few verses are enough. I get what you're saying, but if someone only looks for certain quotes and tries to interpret everything to how they specifically believe, then they might be missing the point just a little bit. Simplicity is easier to understand than complexity.
yes but there are precisely zero quotes that say that committed homoxesual relationships are sinful.
@@MusicalRaichu True, " there are precisely zero quotes that say that committed homoxesual relationships are sinful." (nor are there any that present any lifestyle alternatives to marriage or singleness). There are, however, plenty of passages that condemn the hs acts that are inevitably part of such relationships. This strawman is a lot like saying " there are precisely zero quotes that say that committing internet scams is sinful." While that is also true, the Scripture's condemnation of theft is undeniable.
It's astonishing that these people think that they are right,they want to twist the word of God to support their lifestyle.
Shes a priest in San Francisco of course she will try to twist the word of God.
Woman cant be preachers or priest its out of order.
@@jayremychamp says who? lol, she can be what she wants, she's still believing in God so what's the problem?
I dont think people in our times can read
@@user-uz8ij5bp5m 1 Timothy 2:12
The Bible indeed does have an agenda. It is to restore man and woman to unbroken communion with God and to end suffering and every cause of it for eternity.
but heterosexual people have caused mankinds problems throughout history
It has been a combination of different people erring over time. It is not good to blame each other or another group of people for all the world's problems. The Bible says all have short of the glory of God.
i agree. and that is cause and effect. God tells us if we don't heed his advice. We will suffer for it in the long run.
self respect is what we need to give our self. A man must be able to understand that his inner Sol is effected by the loss of its integrity.
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God said it, that settles it. Justification for sin is all these two are doing.
James Whittington ugghhh you are NOT getting it!
I dont understand why people dont just pray and ask God himself? He told me its a sin- there ya go!
Kinika Christensen , sounds like you didnt hear Him right huh
dream on, dopey
Mathew 22:36-40 ( Jesus speaking)
My first commandment is to love the lord with all your heart, mind, and soul. My second is just like the first, love your neighbor as yourself. ALL THE LAWS AND PROPHETS SHALL HANG ON THESE COMMANDMENTS. Let's say the old testament does condemn homosexuality. Wasn't the whole point of God coming to earth (jesus) to change the old ways. It also states in the old testament that one shouldn't wear garments woven from two different materials. Jesus came to show us that these things were nonsense. He COMMANDED us to love each other like we love God. If you're judging, you're not loving. If you make laws that discriminate against any person, you're violating Jesus's commandments as discrimination is the opposite of love.
Ugh these people so pulled scripture out of context! Do yourself a favor and read ALL of Genesis for yourselves.
of course they dont care pft
Laura Streeter Wow I don’t think I believe in Jesus anymore.
@Laura Streeter Excuse me, can you give me your sources?
I'm curious about all that you've said, since Noah's story also mirrors Deucalion from greek mythology, so it being pulled out of another (even more ancient) civilization makes sense
@@mkmllrc mission accomplished. LOL
and some people don't want the Bible to be cut and dry because they don't want to let go of their sin . . . NUFF SAID
Enjoy living your life full of hatred
@@Megan-nr7xe it's not hate, there's a stigma against Christ followers that we are full of hate, that we're trying to shove the Bible down people's throats, etc, but people fail to realize that genuine Christ followers struggle with sin, but thanks to God's grace, forgiveness through Jesus' sacrifice, and the direction of God's Word, we are able to move past that. There are a lot of "Christians" who try to use to Bible as a way of judging non believers (which is not Biblical at all). Trust me, they will get what's coming to them. Even then, I'm called to love people and please God, I'm not going to shove my beliefs down your throat, but I'm not going to change them for anyone either, Christianity isn't a practice, its a lifestyle.
@@Megan-nr7xe it's not hate at all
@@SupportGamin2025 they’ve edited it
@@nick6253 they’ve edited their comment since I commented
The Bible actually does have 1 point of view and it is from 1 voice, the Holy Spirit. This is very dangerous water to tread
If its supposed to be from one point of view then why are there a hundred million different authors? If it was from one point of view then why are there two different creation stories? The bible becomes WAY less credible than it already is if you say its from one point of view
The Holy Spirit teaches love not hate. Kindness not violence. Love your neighbor no matter how your fellow human looks, thinks, believes and loves. It isn't our job to point fingers at the sins of others. Our job is to keep our own souls clean and bigotry and hatred stain our spirit. Judging is God's job.
@@blanchekonieczka9935 I wasn't judging at all. I am warning others who watch this that it is dangerous water to tread. The Bible is very clear and direct and to stray from that is dangerous. The Bible teaches that all words were on divine guidance from the Holy Spirit and written thru Him. Not through all these different humans opinions and beliefs. You can see that through the hundreds of years how everything connects so intricately and perfectly it only could be divinely inspired. It's so exciting to see the pieces when they fit!
@@jeremyeaton5820 I wasn't accusing you of judging. I'm so sorry it sounded that way! I reread my post and was astonished at how badly I worded it. Was actually trying to say the one point of view is love. His love for us. The main message in the New Testament is love your fellow humans and help each other. I think the "judging" part leaked in from a previous response as it was still on my mind. I love reading the Bible and do it every morning with my coffee. God and creamy caffeine, breakfast of champions! Although I do have problems with certain chapters in both the Old and New Testament, I'm constantly seeking clarity. I apologize again for my badly worded response.
@@blanchekonieczka9935 aww. That was one of the nicest comments I've read...
You too did well on picking out that people read the Bible wrong. People sont wanna accept what God says about them and its so sad. I see people saying stuff like "no perfect Christain" clearly they did not read the Bible or take it into correct context
I've only watched the first five minutes of this. They are painting what's called a "straw man", that can easily be knocked down, and using that to discredit bible believing Christians. Then they go on to prove to me that they don't know anything about the bible. I was hoping this would be better than that.
It angers me. Much of the Old Testament is literally “reporting the news”. It’s telling us what happened. Just because Abraham does something, or Jacob does something, or the tribe of Benjamin does something doesn’t make it right. It’s just saying it happened.
When the law says “don’t do x” then it’s there for a reason. When Jesus came He didn’t abolish the law, “Not one dot of the law will pass away”, He fulfilled it. And Jesus wasn’t a new creation. He was there since the beginning.
I can never fully understand why Christian homosexuals try so hard to prove that the Bible isn't against them, when it clearly is. Wouldn't it be better to believe that being a decent person is more important than being a Christian, and that you don't have to be a Christian to be a decent person?
To me morals are more important than community
Vague Ginger Obviously not, since anybody with the slightest of morals wouldn’t condemn fellow humanity for simply loving someone and being themselves.
When did Christ or the New Testament say anything about homosexuality? I'm curious what Jesus said.
There are so many things that are said in the bible that no longer apply to modern day people. One thing that is said over and over in the bible is that you should always be kind and respectful to others. Take the overall message from the bible instead of overanalyzing small parts
@ Good point. No one has to really support it. No one has to support hunting deer but, people do hunt deer and there is nothing wrong with it. Like I told my sister, "You don't have to understand it, just leave it alone."
You can buy scrubs at Walmart but that doesn’t make you a doctor.
Yes just because an atheist put on a cross doesn't make them a Automatic Christian and that's why people with Gold crosses don't have any value don't trust those with a tatoo.
@@IsraelCountryCube what? they dont have value?
Israel Country Cube You don’t need any cross to be a Christian.
I get what you’re implying with the cross remark.
However millions of people wear a cross and I’m 100% sure ,you as well as anyone lacks the intuition , wisdom or basic knowledge to judge a single one of them.
Amen!
Did he forget Leviticus 18:22? You know. The one that literally condemns two men lying with one another? Or how about Leviticus 20:13 where they are sentenced to death?
It did not condemn all instances of males with males, only specifically a man/husband lying with a male a bed of a woman/wife.