Why I Left an Evangelical Cult | Dawn Smith | TEDxNatick
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- With humor and piercing observations, Dawn Smith sheds light on growing up in a religious cult and what it takes to leave everything you’ve ever known. This poignant story will make you cry and laugh as she shares her struggles with joining the outside world. Dawn grew up in California and moved to Chicago to work in media. She now lives in Brookline, MA, where she works on screenplays, political and issue advertising, standup comedy, and produces the comedy web series, PAID FOR BY. Visit Dawn’s website at www.pushbackfilms.com This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
I grew up in a small, abusive family cult. I ran away when I was 17. That was 13 years ago, and I haven't spoken to any of my family since. I am in therapy still trying to recover, I changed my name and will never give a TED talk because I don't want to be found. Dawn Smith is bright, brave and brilliant for getting out and building a life where she can talk about this without fear.
I'm glad you made it out. Hug.
Sounds similar to what I went through.
Run away from pathological relationship and embrace God, who is the king of freedom and love. God gives you wisdom to find Him alone and be really free... and maybe, some day you can go back and teach your loved ones about the truth. God bless you!
I’m happy you got out!
I’m so happy you made it out! I pray God blesses you and protects you , always.
Wow, “the hardest day of freedom is better than the best day in a cult.” Powerful line.
It's her perception Quantum Leap, you can't say it's exaggerated just because you don't agree with it. I get your point, but from her standpoint I totally understand the state of mind, and the use of this pseudo figure-of-speech.
Quantum Leap are you a man, or a woman? Would take a wild guess you're a guy. The fact that you think my opinion is worthless because I didn't belong to a cult says a lot about yourself. The fact that you also put every cult in the same bag is also worrying, and that by knowing one you seem to know them all is also a bit odd, and worrying at the same time. You should be more responsible.
I think it might also be about not the actual day itself being better, but when she was in the cult, she always had this cult over her head, which might leave even the best day in years with a very bitter taste.
Abraham Serafino so are your her brother? Because unless you are, you won’t know what she feels really and even if you are you still probably wouldn’t know because you’re not her. Not only she has the cult life over her childhood and family, but her father started as she stated in the beginning. She probably feels somewhat responsible for other people’s life in it since it’s her family who lured them into it. That’s not exaggerated; you just can’t relate in the same level because, well, you’re not her and we are all different and process and understand differently; you can be sympathetic or empathetic, but you’ll never be literally in her shoes so you’ll never truly grasp her feelings.
As someone who was raised in a cult, I also think this is a powerful and lovely sentiment. The hallmark of a cult is control and force. Everything was tinged by control and was forced, even the joy. Even on "good" days, I lived knowing in the back of my mind that someone else was being abused by the cult system. Allowing yourself to be controlled and forced is easier in many ways. Being free is actually harder, but it's worth it.
As Mike Render put it, "If you want to know if a group is a religion or a cult, look at what they do to people who try to leave."
Excellent distinction.
Actually a far more important one than even their theological views.
Mormonism
My church always tell them to pray. And if that is what the Lord tells them to do, they can go. (Them being the people who want to leave)
@@laurasofie same with my church we also pray the sunday after they leave for protection (for them) and that they may find a place where they feel at home and most connected to God
@@riannejansen7037 Okay, but any idea why past examples of protection for Jewish people, within prior Christendom, was such a drastically poorer priority...?
Just an observation.
i escaped a christian cult last year. i had no idea it was a cult until i tried to leave. they stalked me. they threatened me. i was told the only way out is death. i feared for my life. i went into hiding across the country pretending to be homeless. i was on the run for 6 months. i am finally writing a book about my experiences and the cult that tried to sacrifice me. leaving a cult is scary. but your bravery will always be rewarded.
Please report them to the authorities!
@@SiniSimon YES good point.
You can leave an anonymous tip my dude.
Let me know when your book is published!
Name of book?
" one day you will grow up and you will realize you can leave all of this."
......a year later i finally found the courage to leave it all behind too.
You're amazing, I send you a hug and I hope the best for you
Please don't call Jehovah's Witnesses evangelical.
I'm incredibly happy for you, enjoy life :)
sali, well done
@@josephherrera4771 When was the last time you were in DMV?
You see I was like you -afraid, unsure and doing stuff I shouldn't do, like showing people pictures with little girls head on fire.
But you know what I've learned? That, just go into the DMV and let go of all my wrong doings. It filled me with joy I felt nowhere else.
Wouldn't you like to go to the DMV and confess? Your Government is watching you and they want you to be happy. Thank you and have a nice day.
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar." Girl, you said a MOUTHFUL.
anyone else think TRUMP??
Perfectly said
I honestly scrolled down to the comments to see if anyone was preemptively defending the president.
Which would be hilarious.
Do you know that you can also set them off by talking about the Confucian Philosopher Prince? It’s a short essay about leadership that has become soul-crushing for most mainstream Republicans to read.
damn someone beat me to the "trump" comment lol
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong..."
She could have left it there. Being staunchly loyal to anyone or anything is a fantastic way of opening yourself up to manipulation.
People are fallible. Mistakes will always be made. Never trust implicitly and always ask questions.
I love her bubbly personality. Despite her hard past, she still manages to smile and make jokes about this dark subject. She’s so strong and such a great role model
You think this is "bubbly"? Really?
As a mental health counselor, I have supported a few people coming out of a cult. Its heart wrenching to see the psychological damage caused by these groups. Thank you for sharing.
I lived for decades with a lid on my painful experiences and felt like I had dealt with them pretty well, then my brother’s suicide in response to completely untreated and painful cancer has opened back up the can of worms. I wish more therapists and professionals had good information about this phenomenon and how vascularized the damage often is.
Bahaha! You can’t spell culture without cult, so you suggest people should not have cultures? 🤔
@@alzabeesww 😢
New Age , beware ..... !
From one cult to another .!!
I feel though, having been in a cult myself, that people very seldom understand and support what I’ve been through. Surely evangelicals I know don’t, but it’s other people too and it’s so tiresome. Like you have to prove to people you’ve been in a sect.
I grew up a nondenominational evangelical Pentecostal pastor’s daughter. I was not allowed to wear pants, wear make up, have piercings, cut my hair, watch television, listen to secular music, date, participate in sports, or make any decisions for my own life without writing to the “witness room” so a room full of strangers could pray over my life and write back what god wanted me to do. I left when I was eighteen. I lost all my friends and a few family members. It’s been 3 years since I have left and it remains a struggle emotionally and psychologically. The worst day of freedom, is better than the best day in a cult”. That statement keeps me going.
I grew up the same way and its been over a year for me, and just been struggling psychologically as well, but it is well worth it.
anne lenora brown If you haven't already, go to counseler who specializes in PTSD and trauma. Not saying everyone experience is the same way but I left when I was 20, at 24 I had a nervous breakdown and almost lost my life. Even still I didn't get into counseling until I was 35. Its the best thing ever, and wish someone told me sooner that even though I was "living", I wasn't living to my potential out of hidden fears. Anytime something bad happened, it was God punishing me, then Id figuratively pummel myself internally for being "bad". Maybe you understand what I mean. Anyways, good luck to you and hope the closeness you shared with those people doesn't lure you back.
Anne Lenora Brown I grew up with the "witness room" too. I saw it destroy many lives. I left at 17.
History of my life...
I'm so sorry, Anne, that you had such experience. I hope it will not stop you from coming to real Jesus, who is pure Love and highest wisdom - one day, when you will be able to differentiate between Him and maybe somehow twisted represenatation of Him that you got through the church environment you grew up in. I hope I'll never scare off my daughters from following Jesus by unnecessary banning normal things, though I try to show them who is God and how I learn to know Him, and obviously, bring them up with as much wisdom as I can get. Everything has a right time, so you cannot give full freedom to a young child what he or she will wear, where they will go, also start dating in very young age is not the best idea, etc. But these things must be communicated with love and supported by loving enviromnment, not by fear and isolation. And as the children are growing up, they can bear more freedom and use it responsibly. I hope you'll get it together in your life and wish you come to meet the real, living God, who is gentle and never leads you through hard ordering, intimidation, discouragement. Jesus is the best to look for and look at, when we are trying to find real God.
"One day you will grow up and you will realize you can leave all of this." A perfectly timed life saving sentence. Thank you DS
I loved that.
4 months later & I hope this message finds you well!! 🏄🏻♀️
except we can't leave the demonstrable damage that female voting enfranchisement has done to western civilization
Thanks so much for your words. I too escaped an evangelical cult where my father was not only the minister but a seminary professor. I was shunned, told that therapy I entered in to in order to save my life from suicide was a cult. Best decision I ever made, not without a huge cost of family trauma and ostracism. Thanks for speaking for us! I’m now a physician and almost 70 years old and although I didn’t hear these exact words I remember two women in my life as a child (who only connected with me for a few minutes) who changed my life forever by loving me. In that short time I felt changed and knew there was a different world out there, a loving world I share now. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Hahaha, one day you won't wake up, ever wonder why that is? Gen 3;19, Rom 3;23, Rom 6;23?😊😊
I just realized a cult is like having an abusive parent in a societal setting
EXACTLY! Michael Rauch, you hit that exactly on the head.
Agreed-excellent point. I was raised in a family run by an abusive and narcissistic woman. I left the cult (family) and have been disowned. It is VERY much like a cult. What a totally accurate way to look at it! Thank you for sharing this.
Kenneth Bachman- politely disagreeing. The biblical framework with focused the framers gave us orderly freedom. Sure, I agree that some (maybe too many... even 1 is too many) narcissist’s and covert narcissist’s make insidious cultishness out of others true faith. That’s not limited to evangelicalism. Most evangelicals stand for the morals of their faith as honestly (and not always as lovingly as we should) as you or anyone else does. The toot lacks the cult, but we get some bad apples and those bad apples ruin whole barrels of otherwise loving neighbors.
Jesus was a cultist, so what do you expect from christianity?
"One day, you will grow up and you can realise that you can leave all of this."
Powerful statement 🙌
Very powerful 🤣
It's just so basic and lacks even the slightest amount of power.
Yes leave everything Just Pray alone.
@@srijanghoshh8633 No prayer required.
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar." Amen!
All religions are abusive, narcissistic, liars who control their followers through fear.
This this mean the current POS and his followers too.
Kevin Neeley 🔥🔥🔥
Gentleman Fox Nope!
The role of a religion is to go deep within and discover the Godliness within. It doesn't need a Church, a Book and an Intermediary. Replace the name with your respective jargon. The God within guides.
PS. May all religious polices feel free to be offended. Much love.
"My mother was his wife" This is what my experience growing up in church was.... My identity was, "wife".
Have you ever met a super religious woman with high self esteem? It doesn't happen, god doesn't allow property to have self esteem. The courage to break away is a beautiful thing.
Don't blame it on God. Man, without God is who puts people in chains. God leaves us free to be who we are. There is a difference between a religious person and someone living for God and being free. It's totally different.
I told my mom at age 5, “I want to be a pastor when I grow up.” Her response: “You can be a pastor’s wife.” Um... no thanks!
yeah, in my church you learn the husbands name, then you just call their wifes...."wife" and that was it.
There is nothing wrong with that, you can be a good wife and bring glory to God and assist your husband.
Incredible use of Sarcasm, well balanced words and perfectly timed sentences !! 🙏🏻 Inspiring
I was gonna like but I wanna keep it at 666 likes
Vrushali Suryawanshi - what was so inspiring?
Vrushali Suryawanshi , I agree with you, but let’s fact check the lady’s speech, ...98% of scientists do not believe man made carbon is causing disastrous weather events AKA:Climate change.
Both religious cultists and climate cultists do the same thing, they use valid information and distort it to enforce nefarious agendas.
GilsTestChannel We need more carbon, not less. Growth depends on it. An ice age was predicted not long ago. Right is now being called wrong and wrong right. Look at the ones promoting global warming. They continue to hypocritically eat up resources. The earth is not going to be destroyed until Jesus Christ says so. The end time events are culminating quickly: earthquakes increased exponentially, immorality is rampant, lawlessness is abounding, etc., scoffers are saying, as prophecy said they would, “These things have always been around”. Did you just say that?
@@GilsTestChannel Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities.
It's really inspiring to see this woman who has experienced a ton of trauma and yet she has not let it destroy her. She is really funny and that gives me hope
Hi Dawn, I was in the assembly too. I met your dad, uncle and grandparents on a number of occasions. When the wheels fell off the wagon, there were still some outlier assemblies that tried to keep it going and even continued to invite and host your grandfather to preach in the gathering. I finally left after the remaining leading brother in the local assembly decided that he had no peers among the brothers and anointed himself the "Final Decision Maker". I took my family and ran as far away as possible and now we're in a very happy and thriving mainstream church. It's always sad to see men taking the Word of God and twisting it to fit their agenda. I wish you the best and may God bless and keep you in his tender care.
‘His’
Is this group related to the 12 tribes?
Amen xxx
Stephanie Bauer Oh shut up.
She's not reading this. The vid belongs to TedX not Dawn
I LOVE how this de-converted woman can calmly mock and SMILE in spite of the story of her past.
She's not letting her past ruin her.
👍👍👍
Nor will she let it define her
She's still in the healing process. That sarcasm is very passive aggressive and the fact that she has to mock her past is a hint something's still there. The next step is developing gratitude. You're right tho, I wouldn't say she's ruined. xD
I'd like to use the term de-cultised and yes it's a made up word. I've noticed that often their faith is still there and often it's stronger for having experienced what they've gone through. Which by the way they should never have experienced in the first place.
How charming.
After 19 years of marriage to an abusive narcissistic man, I took the kids and left. It was hard. I never ever regretted leaving that daily fear and though I was dragged through the courts as he is a lawyer, the kids were so very, very grateful and relieved that I was the primary custodial parent. One day, years later, while in conversation with him about one of the kids, he switched the conversation and began talking about me, his finger pointing again, his words accusatory, angry, bizarre lies. A tiny voice in my head, my own, spoke to me, "There HE is. You don't have to stay to listen to this." For the second time in nearly thirty years of knowing this man, my inner voice asserted itself on my behalf. I calmly stood up, alimony and child support check in hand, "I hope you have a good day." I said, only a step from the closed door. As I looked at him as I closed the door after me, I saw the stunned realization on his face that he had let me see the real him as I'd seen daily throughout our 19 years and that he saw I finally realized I didn't have to be his victim any more.
Praise God for your courage, strength and bravery to leave that soul destroying man. I hope that you and your children are doing well luv. Thank you for sharing your story. God Bless you xo
Thank You for making the connection between the Cult talk - and family or personal abuse. Abusers look for victims in people they can control. Maybe cults are started by those who seek total control .PTSD can be from families as well as partners or cults.Those who seek to dominate are not friends.
I stayed in a similar marriage for 17 years, bc I didn’t know I could leave. The kids and I have been out for 6 years now, and although he’s made a relationship with the youngest son, the older child and I still receive his abuse via passive aggressive texts. He finally lost his sh*t via text a week ago, and I told him to never speak to me ever again and I blocked him. I’m about to go to court for full custody.
Hug
1 word...COURAGEOUS!
"one day you'll grow up and realize, you can leave all of this" wow. I felt seen. That's what happened to me. And it was and is incredibly painful.
Leaving the JW cult was the best decision I've made and I celebrate it every year! Never take your freedom for granted, some people never get to experience it.
JESUS told
Luke 4:18-19
New International Version
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
Amen🙏
I bet some of the JW's who've felt the wind off of my door slamming in their faces compared them to experiencing an EF2-3 Tornado
Only Reality Will Remain
From infancy, people are trained to believe fairy tales. The first memory most people have is blowing-out a candle on a cake, and making a wish. All religions are going to evaporate in the fiery heat of Yahusha's displeasure. He is going to burn the earth for one reason, and it's never mentioned by the teaching authorities.
You will find it at Isaiah (YashaYahu) 24:5, and Mt. 20:24. The sign of the everlasting Covenant is utterly ignored by the inhabitants of the Earth.
Very grateful you were saved out of the JW cult. I hope you have not turned your back on Jesus. Or have turned to Jesus- the Jesus in the bible.
Oh - I have had my favourite JW. They make some dull days so very interesting, if one has nothing else to do. If the smalltalk is not being launched successfully, I throw in the word "evolution" a few times, and things get going! However, sadly, I have the impression that my favourite JW avoid me recently.
Maybe I should them visit at their homes. Pressing the bell, waiting, they open the door, I say "Good afternoon, my name is ..., I would like to talk to you about Schrödinger's Equation and the implications for the early universe!". I would really love to find out whether god obeys the rules of the quantum world, but I am afraid, I will not get that far ...
As I often say: Scientific truth does not require a watchtower: There is no negotiation about the laws of nature.
My dad is a pastor and has never been like that! Thank God! I'm so happy that I was given a family who loves God, but doesn't use that as control.
Ok, but why could Satan reach Earth? And did Eve know of risks beyond that to her and Adam?
Isabella?
Praise the good Lord Jesus Christ 🌷
I just hope Corinthians 2:14 doesn't get used as weapon again. Was used against other denominations, too, in past.
Amen to that! People tend to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are so many faithful churches in the world. We must continue to be the light through love and mercy.
“Even the hardest day of freedom, was better than the best day in a cult.”
YES!!! That one totally got me. So very true!
Sometimes going to work can seem like an oppressive cult. Should I stop going? Kidding.
sitiahhodge yess that line gave me goosebumps (I was also raised in a cult)
Many years ago, I was sucked into an evangelical cult for 9 months. I was married with two children. We left the cult but not The Church or God. His mercy endures forever.
Exactly! Those "churches" who don't show love are the opposite of God, who is Love.
@@steph6453 What is thoughs churches are they here or next door and if so then we pretty much been taken be for we knew it any way. but the loving one who knows does what to stop it is nothing. we have to do it all for we are the ones who created it. Creator or flesh creator is absent like only in your heart when some one gets pissed because they really down deep don't know for sure. but expect what to hear is all way's a same but only way left seeking its way. Grace is shadowing sadly falling away each and every day.
We are Gods church, God don’t dwell in man made temples come out from amongst them God warns its deception
What bothered me is that evangelicals judge people. They are loud and believe they are right about everything.
@@brendaechols5929 Any type of evangelical or fundamentalist is a cultist, extremists. Mainly fundamentalists.
I too was in this Assembly for 11 years and left when my first child was 1 year old. I saw real problems and knew Dawn's abusive uncle David well and was close to her abused aunt and cousins. The one good thing that the group did that probably helped in it's demise is that it really stressed the personal study of the bible. I left because I saw big problems and men I respected were leaving. I realized later that the group had hindered my ability to serve Christ rather than help. The assembly collapsed under its own weight , George Geftakys crushed it under a load of foolishness. Since leaving I have done mission work in a Romanian orphanage (110 days in country over 10 visits) and now minister to 10 to 20 prisoners 5 days a month at the supermax Potosi CC in Missouri that houses 70 percent on its inmates who are murderers with life w/o parole or death penalty sentences. My name is Steve Harris and I am using one of my son's computer so the photo may be of him
Oh my gosh, Steve, thank you for this amazing testimony! I am so thankful you made it out, and are truly doing the work that Christ put on your heart.
David Harris amém brother!! So glad to hear you're doing the calling of our Lord
You're doing amazing work and I'm so happy that your story also had a happy end. Kudos, man, you deserve the best life! I knoq that you and Dawn will thrive outside the Assembly more than you ever could've locked away. You're both so incredibly brave and strong and should be very, very proud.
That's a great testimony! Perhaps you guys who have left could be each others support group so you could affirm one another even online. God bless you.
Steve Harris, thank you for your testimony. You truly follow Christ's commandments to love God with all your heart and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself. It has reinforced in me to do God's will as you do. And to do it without judgement. The world looks at tele-preachers and assume all Christians believe as they do. After studying the bible throughout my life, I know better. God bless you and may God give you the strength to carry out your missions for Him.
I had no idea I was in a cult for 35 years. When you're a Mormon, you don't even understand what a cult IS- you just know that you're definitely NOT in one. I had no idea I was giving up my ability to create my own life inside Mormonism. I just shared my story of awakening on my channel in hopes that I can help other Mormons realize they are in a cult too. The more we speak up, the more souls we can free to create their own life.
Cant speak about every "ward", but I wouldn't classify the one I left (technically inactive in the record there) as a cult. Former lds from the "church of jc of latter day saints"
@@75ur15 Mormons don't realize it's a cult, until they find out how much the church is hiding, covering up, whitewashing it's history, and then study the actual attributes of Cults, and you will see it is 100% a cult, one of the largest and richest cults alive today.
John M This doesn’t surprise me. I have Mormon friends, some excommunicated, some not, but regardless of how they live their lives, the church as an institution is incredibly rich, intolerant, and does not encourage divergent viewpoints.
hello friend, ex-jehovah’s witness here. i was also in a cult. my mother had a really close mormon friend when i was 11 and 12, and i definitely saw similarities between them. it was the only person i ever knew at that time who was as certain in an absolute truth as my mother was, and their friendship was really based in trying to indoctrinate one another. and for some reason, mormonism was the only other religion i knew anything about as well (information control limited us from learning about false religion through worldly sources). ah, childhood memories
Same experience here as a JW ! !
Four years ago, I left the cult my parents made me attend for 19 years. It's the most freeing experience ever.
What cult is it?
@@sanchezraizasheenm.4367 A very influential cult in the Philippines.
@@Alexa-pt7fv Jehovah?
@@Alexa-pt7fv cause I'm in Philippines too.
@@sanchezraizasheenm.4367 cult known for practicing bloc voting. 🤮
I was born and raised in an evangelical church and this is so true it took me years and years of narcissistic abuse to leave and finally live a happy and healthy life
Same here.
years in evangelical churches, seen in fighting and power struggles, wishing I could leave but there is a purpose in my life by staying! Covid lockdown has kept me away for months and now I feel it could be time for a step away, but we all need to know connection with God dont we.
@@Richy-skys you can always remain a christian, just not an evangelical. wishing you a happy and safe journey if you decide to get out of evangelism
hi derek Its about mind control
To me, there is something sinister in the word evangelical. Although a baptized Christian, I was forced to attend evangelical events by my parents. It stopped when I was inducted into the military. I attended a Billy Graham event at the Angels Stadium in Anaheim. That was the very last time!
I was in the Assembly for 5 years and remember Dawn. she was a very dear soul. i'm glad she is happier now.
WWaaawww.. that's cool. What was your reason for getting out?
How did you leave the Assembly?
@@tiffanyjordan7872 it ended. there was a lot of good there.
@@darkstarbrett how did it end
Excuse my ignorance, but what is the Assembly? A denomination?
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
Fudge! Her comedy is soft but effective!
Fudge!
Fudge!
I’m glad she has the guts to use sarcasm, humour, and tears to spread her brilliant truthful message. I wish her a long happy life full of love and success 🩵🩷💙
I started crying when she choked up. Leaving a cult was one of the hardest things Ive ever done.
Me too.
Christianity is religion for executioners.
Friedrich Nietzsche
The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice.
Exodus 21:7-11
New International Version
7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.(A) 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
Leviticus 25:44-46 NIV
“ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
We’re finally free sis, congrats. ❤️
Christianity is not a cult. It’s just people interpret scripture incorrectly
@@alyssareyna9371 all religions are cults, technically. christianity started as 100 different cults that were persecuted by the roman empire until Constantine made it the state religion. then he killed all the original followers. this is literally the history. i read books in the library about the bible before i read the actual bible.
I love this lady. Her courage is commendable!! I had to do the same thing she did. I've had to cut off 95 percent of my family and friends from the cult. I'm living my best life!!!
@Moscow is for incels See.. this is what religion does; it separates, kills and mind fucks the vulnerable souls out there.
Did you ever find love?
I grew up in the Assembly as well. Thank you for sharing this. It gives us a voice.
Me too.. been scrolling through the comments looking for AK's 😂
@@TheRealTimnation dont worry thats not true christianity.
@@antonioiniguez1615 All religions are a cult.
@@gentlemanfox1326 That's not true. The bible is scientifically accurate.
@@antonioiniguez1615 LMAO! No it's not! Have you ever read the bible? The Earth is flat is just one of a plethora of falsehoods in the bible. READ before you comment.
if you having to explain to your daughter for 16 years straight that she wasn't in a cult.. it might be because she was in a cult
hahah . Man ya .. When ya put it that way .. SO SO OBVIOUS Eh ?? .... People !!
Dawn! If you're reading this--I know of you. I'm from The Assembly in Tuscola, IL. I went to church with Tim. I have always maintained that The Assembly was a cult and I'm writing an autobiography about it. Great speech! Wonderful ending.
good on you
Wow
Please write the autobiography and get it out when you can. People need to become more aware of what’s really going on.
The Assembly sounds exactly like Jehovah’s witnesses
@@karric7373 Will do! It's halfway done. On to editing now.
Hi Dawn, I am a Christian and just wanted to say I love and admire your bravery. A few years ago I started reading the Bible for myself and as a female I found all these beautiful gemstones of Gods truth in His word. I went looking for a church to join and ended up going to different denominations until I found the one that works for me. I wish you all the best my dear and May God Bless you. 💕
Which church did you find?
How do you manage to find beauty when reading the Bible ? I'm so curious because Im always in fear when I read the bible, especially in the old testament(Probably one of the reason of my anxiety as well)
@@空之律者-v2m how are you doing now?
@@mikepiccolo32 trying to justify my christian faith how about you
@@空之律者-v2m Remember that God loves you and cares about you, he sees you as his children and wants everthing good for you. He even called abraham his friend, this is how close he wants to be with us. I pray you are alright and that God gives you peace. Shalom🤍
“One day you’ll grow up and you’ll realize you can leave all of this” -So powerful!😭
What a seed to plant! I'm surprised the father didn't run over and swoosh her away before she could say anything honestly
Richard Dawkins dressing up doing fieldwork again...
I agree completely with that feeling. I think the power lies in the fact that it applies to all of us and the fears we have all found ourselves with. God Bless all of us.
Very powerful,words that might convince her right into he'll,,btw I'm not saying the assembly was correct either
I left organised religion.
Takes a lot of courage to leave a toxic environment such as a cult when it's the only thing you ever knew ! Congratulations to her new life 👏👏🕇
Aurelie Ross it's more important to know the true God and eternal life , which she doesn't . I believe she was washed with a mixture of false doctrine and some truth but not born again .Sad, no wonder she ran straight for the mire of x rated movies .
When her wounds have healed she will be able to think more clearly and i do pray for her healing.
Y Goldberg *throw*, and there is no "true God."
None of the "Gods" are real.
Eternal life, you say?
So, basically Vampirism.
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Twistie G Well let's people have faith in what or who they want ^^ I'm myself an atheist but I think we shouldn't go tell religious people things like that :)
Plus this video isn't about having more or less faith, because this woman still believes even after she left the cult, it's more about leaving toxic environment and taking your life in your own hands ^^
those claps better be soft
Twistie G - I agree.
I left a "religion" about God, but didn't abandon my "relationship" with God.
That's the Spirit ;-)
Amen
Ali Abdi Yeah...another cult...
Technically you aren't even supposed to be able to read the Quran unless you read Arabic
Relationship with god is amazing!
Arthur Silver You summed it up. Our relationship with God and our heart for others is what matters.
I left the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses at the age of 18. I am 37 now. It would of been so comforting to me to have some say that to me as youngster. I really applaud you for it. Not going to lie, hearing that made me tear up.
What made u leave at 18 and how?
I also grew up JW. I perceived when I was very young like eight or nine that it didn't make sense. What didn't make sense to me was that God would destroy babies whose parents were not believers you know at Armageddon. That was the seed that started me on the way out. I wasn't sure that it was exactly a cult, although we weren't allowed to celebrate Christmas or birthdays things like that and women were very subjected to men. But looking back it kind of was because what really got me when I left at around 18. Was that the people out there in the world that were so vilified by JW's as being? You know goats, as in the sheep and the goats, that they were just people and for the first time I could see them as just people and I could have friends and talk to them and all of that kind of stuff. When I left I just it was after we moved away from Utah, so I wasn't exactly kicked out or disfellowshipped or anything. I just faded away. It was the best thing that ever happened but it did affect my life long-term because I had the mental attitude that I was worth nothing, that higher education was not something I should do so I regretted not ever going to college but I've had a good life. I'm really glad I left.
Children have more wisdom than adults. She knew at age 5 this wasn't right.
Wisdom doesn’t begin until “fear of the Lord”. Fear is good; it keeps one from stepping too close to a cliff, etc. God is a consuming fire due to His righteousness and Holiness. That Holiness means we have a God we can trust, thank -God. He came off His amazing position to the fallen creation man caused in the form of a man and paid the price HIMSELF that His own righteousness demands! You won’t find a higher truth and better friend than that.
YES! I'll never forget the day i realized it was all so so wrong. I was 11. I'm finally in therapy now! Every word she spoke resignated with me! I wish i had someone planted that seed in me at such a young age "someday you will grow up and you will realized that you can leave all this."
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Escape the fake conservative PLANTATION
God doesn't want fear. That's the first lie you were told.
@@stevemclendsy9478 The Creator of Stars doesn't need to use 'Mafia tactics'.
What a sense of humour after such a struggle ♥️ inspirational
Comedy=Tradgedy+time(ing)
That ending.
pigeon 🙁
How. Do. U. Get. A. One. Word. Username?
Cried
@@iamgod5187 Magic.
I am god, You type in random words until you get one that hasn't already been taken.
So much of your description fits perfectly with my recall of my 6 years in Scientology.
I admire and appreciate your strength!
WHAT'S THE BEST GIFT YOU COULD EVER RECEIVE?
Without a doubt ETERNAL LIFE!!
Accept this GIFT!!
IT'S A MATTER OF LIFE OR DEATH!
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
YOU CANNOT SAVE YOURSELF!!
"For by grace you are saved... not of works, so that no one may boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
GOD LOVES YOU AND HAS OFFERED YOU A SAVIOR. HE IS, JESUS CHRIST!!
"In while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
WANT TO ACCEPT HIM, REPENT AND RECEIVE HIM INTO YOUR LIFE TODAY? TOMORROW MAY BE LATE!!
"That whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
"Jesus said to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me." (John 14:6)
How much did it cost you? (I don't just mean financially, though of course we all know that outfit duns its members for $$$)
Oh snap you were in Scientology? Glad you made it back out. How did you know to get out?
I hear you....but I also regret how those who criticize the C of S (justly) often will not admit that this "tradition" did provide some valuable tools. Of course, this is QUITE apart from the "shenanigans" (and "out-ethics"..ha ha!!...Criminal Behavior)...of LRH and this nut (and tyrant) named Miscavige. If they tossed this guy out on his ass...I might even consider establishing new communication with Scientologists (assuming it was no longer STRONGLY cult-like...as it is now).
Same here as a ex Jehovah's witnesses
“Nothing derails the will of an all powerful god like a woman in a one-piece”
Did you mean: Zeus
I think that Zeus' will was more women in one-pieces to be honest. He seemed to get around.
Magnus Anderson that..... is very very true
You could substitute the name of any god, really.
Bornaking I know..... I was just making a joke jeez 😅
One piece? Which piece was it? Top or bottom?
This lady knows how to use humor appropriately to diffuse and lighten the weight of a grave subject. Excellent storyteller.
"I could not be in a group that sacrificed women and children so a few men could stay in charge. Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar."
I felt this!
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar."
Democrats?
@@thomasmaughan4798 This is why Ivanka is trying to distance herself from her orange father...
@Rudy Juarez "can’t help but think of the former president."
It is difficult to avoid. CNN in particular talks about him ceaselessly.
Both Roman Cult & Church of England.
On what basis do you but your judgement s please? You say you felt it....?
An excellent video. I was raised as a JW in the 1950s & 60s. I am 70+ now. All that bible studying 3x a week + knocking on doors with my mum was getting to me . As an early teen I started to take an interest in girls and there was nothing more galling than going to the swimming pool on a Sunday morning with friends, then having to go home early to go to the Kingdom Hall, knowing my friends were moving in on my "conquest". I had to live away as a trainee apprentice and that was when my mind started to clear even more. I was introduced to beer and that was the final nail in my coffin as far as the Elders were concerned. I just told my mum I wasn't interested anymore and walked away. It was easy in those days. They used to say they were not a cult but they fitted all the parameters she gives in this video. She stayed in but never tried to preach at me. The feeling of freedom and elation was terrific.
I recently found out my chiropodist was a JW and she asked why I had left. I just said "I discovered beer and women!" A little while later, I met her husband (also JW) who said "I hear you left for beer and women. What else did you discover?" I said that having cracked it with the beer and women so early in life, I felt there was nothing more to worry about. He gave me that all knowing "You lucky b****r!" look!
I understand they are far more controlling now too. I am a Christian but I do not choose or like fundamentalism in any form.
I was an assembly kid too, in San Francisco, California- I just realized after many years that most of my life was spent in a cult..
A lot of Churches are a cult. I grew up in a Christian family and it was my best days ever.
Gee I’m glad you made the discovery… Now you can be free… Understand yourself more… It’s good to know the truth isn’t it. Take care
This hit home for me. I'm currently making my exit for my daughter and I. Everything this woman said is absolutely true! Thank you for this❤❤❤❤❤
How are they gonna change if everyone that could have confronted them chooses instead to... leave? How d'you know that God doesn't have you there so that you can be that 1 person? The religious leaders of the day hated Jesus and eventually had him killed because he dared show them that their lives weren't pleasing to God, had simply been the traditions men had set up and didn't even have the power to allow them to have a relationship w/God and was blocking others from doing the same.
Good luck to you and your daughter❤️
@@mette1983 thank you
Good luck!! Be strong! you can do this!!! we support you!
@@vjmcdonn thank you
"Painted my nails Satan red" LOL
NO! I am the real MELLOW JELLY!
Definitely no cult here.
U wot
MellowJelly ho ha ha so cool so funny
disliked because that was a tasteless, overused joke
I love how she ends her speech the way it began, about a child.
This is the Gospel of the REAL JESUS:
JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose again on the third day. HE did this so that you be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. Those, who reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ, will go to ETERNAL SUFFERING, in the lake of fire.The GOOD NEWS is that if, you repent of ALL your sins and Trust in the RIGHT Jesus today, God will save you. He will grant you eternal life, not because you earned it, deserve it or because you are a good person, but because, He wants to give you eternal life as a FREE GIFT!!! The Bible says that God will make you Born Again. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. Do it today! Because tomorrow maybe too late!!!!
i was searching for someone who would finally write this comment
Hahaha, you and she failed to see that there has to be a falling away first before the Lord returns 2 Thess 2;3, all you're doing is fulfilling prophecy.
Do you and she have "freedom" from death and the grave Gen 3;19, Rom 3;23, Rom 6;23?
You, people, talk about belief in God is a cult but none of you can get past the grave without him, I suggest you take a closer look at a graveyard cause you can't say I changed my mind and walk away from that.
The Lord is the only way past the grave just because you don't like the rules they are not going to change...😊😊
@@armymanssg508 there's so much wrong with your thinking. I would feel sorry for you if I didn't understand God's Perfect System (He/She/It) ONLY does Perfect).
Before you reject out of hand what I (and God) have to say to you, we would request that you hear my qualifications first. I have been working directly for God for the past 14 years now. He has performed miracles through me with WITNESSES and many more without witnesses. In January 2008 He gave me a job description that says "I am sending you out by the Power of my Spirit to Release those bound by Fear, to Proclaim Forgiveness, and to Show Love to ALL men". Ironically, I don't have to like you but it is necessary that I love you. By the way, my job description is NOT an order or command from God but rather a request. God will NEVER (contrary to popular opinion) order anyone to do anything. To do so would be like throwing the proverbial monkey wrench into the workings of His Perfect System - and this He will NEVER do. It would make a mockery of Free Will and really mess up His Perfect System.
It is obvious that your perceptions are based on Fear. Spiritual observation says that Love will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS do the right thing. Fear, however, confuses and paralysis the mind and is the source of ALL heartache and misery on the planet. Fear is not only part of the problem - IT IS THE PROBLEM. It would benefit you (and the world) greatly if you could be honest (walk in God's Truth) and always question as to how you arrive at YOUR Truths - from a place of Love or from a place of Fear?
Please don't throw bible quotes at everything and everyone. You need to realize that ALL religions, under human custodianship, have warped and even outright lied about their Holy Scriptures in order to put the FEAR of God into their followers in order to control them. They ALL say basically the same thing " Give us your money and then let's go and eliminate those who don't believe as we do". Jesus said " Woe unto ye Pharisees. You are supposed to lead the people to God". They didn't then and they don't now. I know that God has preserved and protected the most important parts of everybody's Scriptures, BUT not everything is accurate. The best (and only) way to KNOW this is to develop a personal intimate relationship with God with no lying middle-men between you and God. Then you can get the Truth right from the horse's mouth. I'm not special because of my relationship with God. It is available to ANYONE. God Desires a personal relationship with EACH AND EVERYONE of His Spirit children - even you. He tells us how. If you seek God you can find Him with ALL of your heart, mind, strength, and soul. It is not necessary to be commanded to do the right thing. If you are seeking God, you will find that it is IMPOSSIBLE to do ANYTHING unGodly.
Religions preach that we should Fear God - and yet are we not supposed to Love Him/Her/It. PROBLEM: You CANNOT Love something that you Fear. Love and Fear CANNOT co-exist. In my daily interactions with God over the past 14 years, He has shown me NOTHING BUT Love and Humor. YOU have Free Will (and hopefully a properly functioning brain). You decide. Do you believe the lying middle-men OR a Teacher/Messanger from God. Let me remind you that my Boss IS a Truth Freak.
What if I told you that God IS communicating with EVERYONE constantly - He's doing so with YOU - RIGHT NOW. But, who listens? Such is the power of Fear. It does seem daunting at first, to imagine an intimate closeness with God Himself - and yet it is God's Desire to be close to you. Can you overcome your Fear just long enough to experience Love itself? God (personally) is reaching out to YOU right through me. I am going to show you where you can communicate directly with God within minutes. I KNOW this to be true as I have had a very very similar experience as the author. I could write my own book.
Even if you don't look God up - Fear not. He Will Love you UNCONDITIONALLY no matter what. But wow. Would you ever be missing out on the greatest experience of your life if you don't.
I was just going to give you the meet God place when for some reason know only to the Holy Spirit I am being asked to tell you about an experience I had about 5 years ago.
I came across some writing that said "ONLY God judges me". I was immediately and powerfully urged by the Spirit to add to this and so I wrote " WRONG. God does not judge, nor, condemn, nor punish. God is ONLY UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. It is man who judges, condemns and punishes. God is not cruel. It is man who is cruel".
What man calls sin God calls mistakes and mistakes are not felt with by punishment but rather are offered the opportunity (as many as needed) for correction. This is part of the function of reincarnation.
We are ALL eventually going to return to Him (Source) - but He will NEVER force you. Wether we know it or not or like it or not, we are ALL in the most capable and Loving 'hands' in existence. Not one soul will be lost. The Perfect System makes sure of that.
OK. Back to meeting God. Check out "Conversations with God" book 1 on UA-cam - to start. God will guide you from there. I advise people to give it a try for 15-20 minutes and then you will know what to do. Spoiler alert. Around the 30 min. mark God explains how and why He created us and the Universe. Later He also explains how to tell the difference between messages from God and those from another source. You can know if THIS material is from God or not. Bless you. I will pray for you.
@@armymanssg508 cults are not ok though. people can believe in God, as i do. but cults are not okay, as the speaker described: lying, abuse of vulnerable and children, no freedom for women, racism, extremism etc.
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar" ..so true!
Were it not for the rabbis to be forbidden by them, and for their iniquity to speak of their iniquity and to eat them all, the time would have made them miserable for what they would have done.
The Jews said God's hands tied tied their hands and cursed what they said, but his hands Mpsottan spend how he wants and Esidn many of them what was revealed to you from your Lord, tyranny and disbelief and we take them enmity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection whenever they lit a fire for war extinguished God and seek mischief in the land, and God does not like spoilers
And if the people of the Book believed
And if they had established the Torah and the Gospel, and what was brought down to them from their Lord, they would eat from above them, and from those of their feet
O Messenger, tell the Lord that God has not sent you to you, and if you do not do so, your message will be overrated, and God will protect you from God
Say: O People of the Book are not something even Takimwa the Torah and the Gospel and what was revealed to you from your Lord, and many of them Esidn what was revealed to you from your Lord and disbelief is not a tyranny busin on the unbelievers
For those who believe and those who have calmed, and those who are righteous, and the Christians, who believe in God and the last day, and do righteousness, do not forget
We have taken the covenant of the people of Israel and sent them to them as messengers. Whenever a messenger came to them with what they do not like, then they themselves are indifferent.
And they thought that there would be no temptation, so they blinded and deaf, then God repented to them, then they blinded and deaf many of them, and God did not pass
Kafr who said that God is Christ the son of Mary, said Christ, O children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord, it involves God Allah has forbidden Paradise to him and his abode fire and whosoever
“an abusive, narcissistic, pathological liar” ? Sound familiar? It wlll be so nice when this nightmare is over.!!
+1. Although, I would argue staunch loyalty to any group is wrong. Period.
She's so articulate, nuanced, eloquent.. I could truly just listen to her for hours on end. Kudos!
Spare me.
Watch out before you make her your Idol! She is just like the rest of us. You have gifts too.
@apple camjumper I meant no harm. I do worry about some people because they become so mesmerized with others. You see how so many made trump such an idol almost godlike. That's all. No harm intended. I'm a tree lover.
Holy sh** she time traveled and talked to herself in the future.
It makes a good story, anyway...
So the moral is ... have no morals?
@@TA-ib3dv The moral is don't let anyone but yourself dictate the way you should live your life.
Time is irrelevant. She passed the torch, paid it forward, planted the seed. All great gifts to give because they come from the heart and soul.
Eli Miller so many people fall victim to horrendous circumstances, at least her’s came with basic fundamental values however distorted they were. if you were abused buy an addict sold by your mother for drugs you might see this differently. She is still searching
I was a member of a cult. Amazing the amount of guilt that got dumped on me when I left.
God bless you 🙏🥺
Being a Christian it's ...hard to hear all the twisted ways the Bible has been manipulated over the years... God Bless You!
@Daniel Paulson purposefully vague? The bible is completely flawless.
We are the vague ones, flawed.
Daniel Paulson
So because of humans’ weak mindedness (them to divide over truths in God’s word) it makes God’s word vague? What a foolish statement. You seem intelligent, but it’s not a vague book at all. Every word is God breathed and useful for correction, reproof, doctrine and so on.. Read the Bible for yourself and you will learn the truth. God’s word is indeed flawless, sharper than any two edged sword. God is holy perfect and just, and can’t tolerate sin. But He loves us profoundly, so He sent His only Begotten Son, Jesus, the Christ as prophesied in the Old Testament, to take away the sin of the world. Fulfilling the righteous requirement of the law of Moses as well as appeasing the righteous wrath of almighty God. This is what the Bible is about. If people say the Bible isn’t all about Christ, they’re reading it wrong.
Jesus is the same as God, whoever believes in Him will not be put to shame, whoever believes in the Only Begotten Son of God will not perish but have life eternal-and life eternal is to know God the Father and to know God the Son, Jesus Christ.
I agree it, it is very sad. Someone is behind this and trying to turn as many people away from the truth as much as possible...and yep it is none other than the adversary himself. Religion is man made (such as Mormonism,Catholicism etc.) and it is sickening how they take parts of the Bible to twist with their man made stories and laws. Christianity is a loving relationship with our Heavenly Father and reading His written Word will set you free because it is the Truth.
Daniel Paulson parable:
a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels. What’s vague about telling a story for us to learn a lesson?
@Greg Jacques Lucifer's Jizz Gargler that was a different culture with willing servants. It's not what your thinking of, those "slaves" willingly gave their lives to their masters. The Lord also told the masters of those people to treat them with respect.
Leviticus is also not Christianity. That's the Old Testament. Part of the old covenant with the Jews. Jesus made a new covenant in the New Testament, where the largest concept is love.
Please educate yourself before you dismiss something so coldly.
"Staunch loyalty to any group is wrong if it means supporting an abusive narcissistic pathological liar." Wow!!
Like the GOP and Trump??
@Yeshua is Lord. smh
Sounds like the Republican Party 😂
It ALSO sounds like the yuppie selfish but....persuasive pastor of a local ANNAPOLIS MD CHURCH . Downtown Hope is a church I am actually suing for what they did in this town, and to ME, my marriage, my finances, my health, my reputation, It is written “ You reap what you sow”. See my YELP review on its , I guess ...supporting church - Evangelical presbyterian in Annapolis Maryland
@@paulfoley3222 YAYYYYY!!! I was just going to post that very thing. :)
It always saddens me whenever I hear and see people taking Christianity into their own hands and twisting it into something that isn't right...I feel so sorry and heavy hearted for people that had to experience man's twisted version of God like this...
- Shooting Starlight - yes, except all of it is man made make believe.
- Shooting Starlight - well said
Julian Walker I'm well aware that there are doubters...I'm not here to fight or argue. You have your own right to not believe it as I have to mine in believing that it is real. I'm not persecuting your beliefs so I'd appreciate if you didn't mine and others and act towards others with some decency and respect. Thanks. :)
Logic beats Speculation goes for you as well. Treat others how you wish to be treated. Whether you believe the bible or not it's principles can still apply to everyday life. Treat others kindly and with respect.
Monsieur Jacques Who is a Christian then?
Reminds me so much of the cult I was raised in, I was ' dis- fellow- shiped' (shunned) and have not talked to anyone in that cult in years. Bravo for speaking out.
"Me too"
I grew up in an Evangelical cult. We got out when I was 16. I still believe in Jesus Christ but instead of Fear and Judgement its all about Peace and Hope!!!!
Fear is your friend. It tells you you need to repent. Because God is a perfect judge and HE decides where you go.
Where does it say that in the bible?
@@jonnyshanon2103 sure, which part?
Fear of judgment is not a cult. It's Biblical. The main issue is did they preach Jesus and His saving grace?
Evangelicalism is a cult
Thank you, for your clear and calm reasoning. You could have been describing my life too. People don't understand just how hard it is, thank you for having the courage to share it.
Good for you! I'm sorry you went through that.
I went through something similar.
i hoped you were able to have a relatioinship still with ur family, i had to detach myself for almost 10 years to the fact that my parents choosed church over me, but now they asked for forgiveness and we have a better relationship, its still complicated but im lucky. they still dont want to call the church community a cult. hope u have healed from that.
@@namaste2788 One of the things that’s terrible and deplorable and practiced by many Christian sects is something called “Extreme Shunning”. This is where someone is “excommunicated” or voluntarily leaves the sect and is then shunned, avoided, and rejected by former friends - and sadly, even by family members who are still in the sect. (If you are a Muslim who leaves the faith, it’s called apostasy. They simply kill you. Period.). Shunning however is as damaging and harmful. It has lifelong repercussions. It is a “hidden” destructive and controlling aspect of the Christian faith - this “unequally yoked” nonsense which you then become - and some say the fear of shunning is why believers don’t challenge the rules more often even if it kills them - and it does in many cases. Jehovah’s Witnesses, for example, have their “Blood Police” who monitor hospital patients to ensure that no member gets a blood transfusion, which is forbidden by the sect. Many members have died as a result of this extreme, illogical, and uncompassionate policy. Let’s not beat around the bush but call it for what it is - a Cult. All Religions are Cults. Organized religion is simply an older established cult that has more members and ‘real estate’. They were all cults when the first started, but longevity does not make them any more believable or credible. They are all the same when it comes to the absurdity, irrationality, and ridiculousness of their beliefs.
I spent most of my childhood in a cult that refused to be labeled a cult and your statements about cults not wanting to be labeled made so much sense to me
ALL religions are cults but no one wants to admit that they are in a cult. More than that, they don't even recognize it as such.
Thank you for sharing your story. Dealing with a lot of religious trauma that I've suppressed from my childhood & it's helpful to know I'm not alone in that.
For me , trying to understand God use to be so confusing until I asked the Holy Spirit to speak to my mind and just give me His perspective. Soon after this exchange I began to realize how much God loves all of us unconditionally and just wanted a relationship with us above all else. Now I am able ignore my old channel of confusion, accusation, and condemnation for this new still small voice. Practice has made progress for me. I have found His love on this channel and it is more beautiful than anything I have ever experienced.
That gives me hope I escaped a messianic evangelical cult who were spiritual abusive. It’s frustrating because the abuse goes on and no one believes it.
Amen 🙏 I also went through a stage of confusion until I prayed to the Holy Spirit. Once you ask the Holy Spirit to guide you, you will see why everything happens.
There is nothing da - rker than a jee - sus that promises to save you, as you can Never learn anything that way. Therefore it can never be Di - vine Love ! What do you need to be saved from ? Your hatred for all life and humanity ? You need to be saved from your st - upid belief of a De - vil that doesn't exist ? And you need to be saved from all your fears of drinking Ayahuasca for direct spiritual experiences ? And why do you ha - te direct spiritual experiences ? You need to be saved from that too ? LOL ! Save you from your total cowa - rdice how you cannot face all your dark - n - ess by drinking ayahuasca ? And you need to be saved from your endless Shame and guilt of not being able to sit in an Ayahuasca circle with 40 people from all around the world to fully face yourself ? Save you from your Self - hatred ? LOL ! Get lost, there is nothing and no one that can ever save you. But again you bible - toting nutcases have always been lost and completely bli - nd !! Hence why you're always looking for the shore trying to be saved fighting the world, as you are Lost at sea and can never see !! When it is all about letting go of the shore, as you are looking for your useless Ego to be saved, when your Ego is a total lie in the first place ! LOL !!
Does god love the children with brain tumours he doesn’t cure?
@@robertdemeter5793 Faith in Jesus, recieving His love and loving Him back, knowing the father and hearing His voice and being filled and led by the holy spirit... folowing Christ, knowing him and belonging to Him is a very direct spiritual experience, the most direct there is and the only one that really sets you free! And its the spititual path, that leads to lay down pride and ego and confront yourself and your flaws and weeknesses more than any other, through being in a love relationship with the one who is true and pure love himself. Its the only way to the father, to life, to freedom, to truth. Its not a religion, not a religious practice or a set of rules, its a real, direct and intimate relationship with the God the creator who created us and everything. I pray that you may get to know him!
Amen to "the hardest day of freedom is better than the best day in a cult".
Thank you for your honesty and integrity. We need more young ones like you.
I would hate to be her son.
She hates men.
I am realizing at 43 that I was in a cult and I am going thru a lot of therapy now. I could never wear pants, listen to music on the radio, etc. It was full of legalism. Thank you for your message.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free"
We need to all understand that this speaker was not describing Evangelical Christianity. Evangelical means only "Good News". Coercion (the opposite of 'evangelical') is never the Christian motivation. Christ commander we "go out" not the we are to "isolate". If your Church experience is legalistic and repressive....get out, it's not the real thing.
Exactly, Many people are suffering from man made doctrine , they are Pharises and seduces that even attacked Jesus for visiting Zacheuse and others they called sinners, they cult not Christians.
@peter burry
Some are. some are not.
Labels matter little.
Bill Asbury: Evangelical does not mean good news. Gospel means good news.
@@caroleimani9754 Isn't it something of a news sandwich, though? (good news, bad, good, or vice versa)
And what of Matthew 5:18, 7:18, and Luke 13:24...? Also, what IS a 'natural man', and when is nature reliable, or not, as attestation of God...
I totally understand the importance of comedy. My upbringing is different to yours. I grew up in Northern Ireland during the troubles, it left it's own scars but the people of Northern Ireland deal with these scars through comedy. You're a brave and wonderful person.
I was in a cult just like this and what she says is entirely true.
I am in a dei cult at a corporation. It is just as bad
This is the Gospel of the REAL JESUS:
JESUS CHRIST died for you and rose again on the third day. HE did this so that you be forgiven of your sins and have a relationship with God. Those, who reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ, will go to ETERNAL SUFFERING, in the lake of fire.The GOOD NEWS is that if, you repent of ALL your sins and Trust in the RIGHT Jesus today, God will save you. He will grant you eternal life, not because you earned it, deserve it or because you are a good person, but because, He wants to give you eternal life as a FREE GIFT!!! The Bible says that God will make you Born Again. He will give you a New Heart and New Desires. Do it today! Because tomorrow maybe too late!!!!
Very well Said. Your public speaking skills are top notch. Coming from leaving the Mormon church, I find your words comforting. Thank You.
Technically I would be listed as inactive, they don't care I don't believe, also former lds
You know you're in a cult when they have to explain to you how it is not a cult.
Just like pyramid schemes
yup.
True🤔
Jack Henderson lmao what💀
Katie
I was raised in First Assembly of God Church and it was one of the best things that happened to me and my family. We were raised with morals, Biblical values and as far as feeling oppressed because we were women, that wasn't my story. I was raised that you could do and be what you want if your willing to work hard for it. I definitely was not in a cult, there was freedom of choice. I feel bad for this woman what she went through, but not all churches are like that. We have to be so careful to find a Church that teaches what the Word of God says, not man.
I think you'll find that the word of God is, indeed, the word of man
I too found the Assembly of God churches to be loving, supernatural, and most importantly, based on the Bible. I not only introduced my family to AOG, but also our friends, other kids and families, and many unchurched people. The legalistic non-Biblical beliefs this woman has gone thru are not common, and I have attended a lot of different Assembly of God and Foursquare churches. My entire family are all secular college graduates (including myself), and they are all appalled at what this unfortunate woman went through.
Sorry to say so, but all churches are man made, and all of them interpret the Bible to suit themselves. None of them leave the ordinary person to think for themselves, so none of them are free from trying to influence any belief a person my have or otherwise.
@@user-wd8hb8en9z Sorry if I've upset you, but my mum was brought up to be very religious. Her parents were in Plymouth Brethren (look them up to see how cultish they are!) and she used to preach at me every day. Eventually I left home, as much to get away from being preached at as anything else.
Oddly I do believe in an almighty God. I also believe that he is a benevolent being, but other than that, I refuse to have anything to do with any organised religion. If you look at the way the world is going today, with all the religious conflict between Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc, it bodes ill for the future of mankind. I think that's because all of the organised religious groups are trying to expand their power bases, at the expense of every non believer in their particular method of worship.
The question I would ask is this. How did people manage to progress from apes to humans before all the major religions came on the scene? Somehow they muddled through, and managed to discover such things as how to make fire, invent the wheel, clothing, and shelter, and domesticate animals such as horses, dogs, and cats. They also started growing crops and improving grains to meet their needs. And all without any of the major modern religions. So what do we need religions for exactly? You tell me. As far as I can see we can do very well without their interference.
You have the gift of being able to make us laugh and become teary eyed because of your compassion and love.
I'm a christian and I regularly attend Sunday services and I'm also involved in the music ministry as well. But NONE of what she describes as "not allowed" in their group is even prohibited in our church. We got to live like how normal people do. Its just sad the some people use religion and even the name of Jesus to control people.
Yesss
Yea, not all churches are the same. Most Christians are just normal people living life. Those strict churches know very well they can’t be perfect but they sure try and fail time after time but it’s always the “do as I say not as I do” rhetoric. 😉
she left Christianity - not just the cult.
@@texanboiii562 not true. Most fake being normal people. They most likely have an agenda. Try to leave and you will see. Say you are a Catholic now and you will know them.
@@sheilacampos5246 no thanks! I used to be Catholic. Weirdest cult I was in. I found a regular Christian church where I accepted Christ and learned the concept of sinful nature. I know I’m not perfect but I am saved and can live a normal life until Christ comes. I don’t go around condemning people or attacking them if they don’t live a certain lifestyle. I do however defend myself if I need to. 🤷🏻♂️
You know what's really interesting is that the woman who said it to you when you were a child REALLY HAD left something similar behind.
That's what made her say it to you.
It may not have been a cult but it was at least a strict religious insanity and she did leave it and that's why she told you that.
And that's why you told the little girl that
Interesting.
I mean how many of us get to live a country song where everything goes full circle?
that was pretty meta. i mean, seriously, when she said she did the same thing as had happened when she was five... how many other people, just Briefly, went, "Whoa... Dude, you traveled back in time and just told yourself that!!"?
Full circle!
@@kstormgeistgem461 I noticed it! People don't understand.
I heard the most perceptive observation yesterday during a visit with my 90-year old aunt. During our discussion on very things, somehow the subject of atheism came up. Despite being a cradle Catholic, she said, "At least atheists never try to convert you." BRILLIANT!!!! I am open minded, more of an agnostic, but that statement was profoundly interesting to me.
Atheists work very hard to convince religious people to convert to Atheism. That is fact.
I wish that was the case. Evangelical atheists are just as nauseating as fundamentalist religious groups. They are just as prone to forcing their atheism upon everyone and specifically go after anyone who dares to follow any form of religion or acknowledge the presence of a deity to gain the favor of their supreme leaders: Dawkins and Hitchens. What ever happened to believing whatever you choose as long as a you are a productive member of society and your beliefs don't spread hate or cause harm?
@@phobetos4976 I agree. I am. not religious but I don't "label" myself as "atheist" either. I'm not fond of labels. I think it comes down to the fact that extremism in any direction tends to corrupt. I don't care for Hitchens or Dawkins, although now and then Hitchens says something historically interesting. I guess my take on spirituality is that it is personal and you do not need to be part of a group to be a spiritual person. Also, if people are so intensely dedicated to their belief system that they feel they have to "convert" others in order to validate themselves and their beliefs, that indicates that, in fact, they doubt it themselves.
I have some atheists to introduce you to lmao. I'm an atheist btw lol.
Of course they do try to convert you. Nearly all education and entertainment is anti Christian. However history tells us that atheism has also had massive god denying cults….communism and nazism to name just 2. Every belief system has cults and members who go to extremes.
Sad to think how MANY people are living like "A Handmaidens tale" out there now
I read A Handmaiden's Tale.. when it was hot off the press. I thought it was far fetched. Boy was I wrong.
@Karl Jansen ..... wtf is your issue. The majority of muslims live like normal humans. The video is literally about a CHRISTIAN cult, not a muslim one, but you have to talk about how bad the Islamic religion is every chance you get, right?
@@MrFoolingyu you're right on the money!
@@woohooo7634 the fact you said "normal" people is quite disturbing, educate me on how normal people live
Bruce Kilgour hey btw, I’m saying that not all Muslim women live life like in the Handmaids tale. Again, have you ever met a Muslim?
I'm gonna be one of those scary independent women ❤
Suchitra Chakrabarty and that's the best kind of scary to be! Sometimes it's nice to realize bigots are scared of your mere existence. You're stronger than they ever were!
lessur dgreat lmao because all women can be generalized right? Some women hate kids ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. PEOPLE are different in this world
Suchitra Chakrabarty more power to ya kid!
@lessur dgreat and I can give you a thousand examples of women who are both married and with children but absolutely miserable with their lives. What is the connection between being independent and being a mom? You can be both
@lessur dgreat please read what I have written and then pursue your attempts to make me realize anything
This literally made me cry. Everything that she experienced I had experienced through my youth. Now even in my mid 30s I still struggle with what happened to me growing up. My family is so indoctrinated that they can't see the truth. My mom after 29 years finally saw what I had been trying to tell her for years and she has truly changed for the better. I hope one day my family will realise they're being mislead.
I've watched this a number of times and enjoy it every time , If I was in the audience that day I would have been ejected for laughing out loud, I too am a evangelical cult survivor. Dawn's insight is SPOT ON!, I wish her well and can only imagine that she has gone on to have a great life. Wouldn't she be an awesome friend to have, I love survivors...thankyou Dawn , you are awesome!!
Thank you for having the courage to speak to the young girl on the street corner. I feel sad for you but thankful you escaped.
As she shared her story of the woman who told her that she could leave one day, I realized that someone was saved as a result of the street preaching that day, but not in the way her father anticipated.
Interesting point.
Exactly. Great comment.
Then she herself one day payed it forward in the same way . Beautiful
She sounds as sexist as her parents
I absolutely love the way this young lady related her story. Factual, informative, with some levity. 👍
She is bitter because there were rules her parents put on her life.
Many children hate rules.
@@michaeld9682 Adults are only children who have grown up. What's funny is that she doesn't come off as bitter at all in this talk, yet here you judge her.
@@pbjbagel yes, she did come off bitter
@@michaeld9682 it's like you heard the subject of the speech, but didn't listen to the tone at all. Anyway, she has every right to be bitter, having wasted her youth under the coercion of "adults." Don't be a cult apologist.
@@pbjbagel ah so you are judging her parents.
I am sure you are a perfect parent
This talk is beyond excellence. The saving grace of humor in this women's life and TED talk.
This was such a spectacular TED Talk, thank you for sharing your story. I am a therapist and working a lot with deprogramming and the impacts of cults are devastating. This was such a truly powerful talk, grateful for your courage, clarity, obvious hard work and humor!
Are you grateful for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as well? He was real. Even his staunchest adversaries don't play the "he didn't exist" route.
@@Th3BigBoy LOL how totally lost and bl - ind you are.
@@robertdemeter5793 I'm afraid not Mr. Demeter. God is quite real. His offer of mercy stands to those who call upon the name of Christ. You should try it.
@@Th3BigBoy Not only are you useless control - driven bible - toters the dar - kest creatures in the history of this beautiful and magical Mother Earth of Spirit, but you're By Far the da - rkest beings of infinite worlds of infinite beings. Truth !
@@Th3BigBoy Post your bible government written nonsense in any of my 50 videos, and eye will si easily prove everything you believe is a lie. Come on, post, where is your so - called faith ?
Hold on... Leaving a cult and escaping abuse sound eerily similar...
I noticed it too.
🤷 because they are the same..
I'm a recovering Evangelical Fundie-Lite kid. They're married to each other, and that's a fact. What's SUPER puzzling to me, 25 years later, is all of (and practicing men are the d*mn worst about it) these followers who openly brag in the comment section about how they are practicing corporeal punishment in the entire house, telling me (a married woman, there is a verse against that) how to run my life, and openly stating that they are abusive and using G*d as a justification. Like, umm...
@@pansprayers As an ex-Independent Fundamental Baptist Christian-turned-atheist, I completely agree your comment. Abuse has many forms, and many reasons behind it. The denomination in which I grew up is a cult of ideology. That realization is not what caused me to become an atheist; it is, however, what finally made me step back and scrutinize Christian Fundamentalism. After seeing it for the insidious monster it is, I ran and never looked back, except to begin questioning and scrutinizing EVERYTHING I'd believed before, just to be on the safe side. And, well, as they say, the rest is history. Love and bunches of hugs to you friend! :)
It da same thang
The end really got me
I never miss a chance to speak a few life changing words to a vulnerable child.
Rhiannon same. Cried.
Rhiannon SAME
Paying it forward, so refreshing and suited.
me too
What a brave, empathetic soul. Kudos, admiration. And much grace and blessings wished for you.
Thank you Dawn for your insight!
I am so proud of you for your strength and for telling us your story!
For telling a little girl that one day she will be able to leave!
I hope she did!
Getting out of a christian cult was the best thing that ever happened to me.
What cult did you join?
Did you find truth as in Jesus?
Since Jesus is evangelical - where are you going?
How do you manage live without objective truth?
@North-East in what regard do you believe so and when did you enter this sect?
@North-East So how did you enter the group teaching you this tale?
Could you explain why you hold to the faith (religion/belief) that Jesus is fiction? Or do you mean he is a real person but fake character? What exactly is your faith content please?
Are you still a christian tho?
@@ashley_brown6106 i struggle to understand the structure of the page..... What are you responding to?
Good for you for leaving. You and your sis are amazing. I love how you laugh as you tell the story. Not easy to leave. Been married to a narcissist for 16 years + 2 kids. Finally left the tyrant narcissist. It felt like a cult, i have to follow to rules or would be shunned.
You are 100% correct. A horrible day when free is much better than any day when you trapped. Good for you! Good talk.
So, so glad you made it out. And with your sense of humor intact, too! Great talk
Thank you!!!
Revlon light lip blush 666 is actually a thing.
Had to google that
lol...I had no idea that was a real Revlon color......how funny!
Anne leane Brown You should neither be seen nor heard.And get back into NOW you hea
Kitchen
@@rudyjimenez1689 what?
@@oj59 And you too go to the kitchen NOW , you hear?????
I, an atheist, went to a youth group for 6th through 12th graders the other day. My atheist friend is being forced to go by her mom and was getting bored of it. A youth group is nothing like a cult, it's supposed to be a positive environment. Yet that day was "real talk," where they had had kids submit anonymous questions to get religious advice on how to deal with their problems. Some of the questions included "why does my father do what he does to me," "why do I have suicidal thoughts and depression, why does god allow it," "how do I stop wanting to harm myself," etc. You know what the youth pastor said in response to all of them? "All issues in life are caused by sin. You must stop sinning, and only then will your life get better." In response to the dad question, the person was told to forgive their father because he is probably going through a tough time. This is what sickens me about some parts of religion. I wholly understand that not all religious people and churches are like this, and if believing in god makes you happy then by all means believe in him. But this is the part that's so totally screwed up and ruins the name of Christianity. Those kids wanted help, but now they probably think it's their faults and are more likely to kill themselves. There were _6th graders_ there. That's not healthy for anyone to hear, especially not middle schoolers and I'm so damn angry over it. Especially since when I was in middle school I had problems similar to those asked so I empathize with them. I can only imagine how bad cults are. It also sickens me how fundamentalists will use the bible to excuse any acts of hatred such as being against the LGBT community and people of color. These are the reasons why I'm not religious. I am so sorry to anyone who's forced by their family to be religious and/or is not allowed to be their selves and emotionally or physically abused. I really hope life gets better for you.
😢😢😢
There is nowhere in the Bible that tells children to keep getting abused. I do not understand how this youth pastor did not report the crime and save this kid 😞. Too many people are getting put in leadership positions that have no business being there.
I, too, hate a religion like this. But I love Jesus who saved my life, He is love incarnate, so anyone that represents Him without love has no clue who He is. I pray that all people could experience the true Jesus.
😭
That's absolutely terrible. In training I've done to lead at youth camps, we've had policies in place to deal with abuse being reported, to get the kid help. That is what should have been done. How terrible.
I was raised in this exact church with Dawn. When I heard this Talk, I found myself nodding my head in total agreement the entire time.
Dawn, you spoke the words of my heart. Your talk helped me get back on the road to recovery. I must admit that I was so envious of you. As a young child, I was under the impression that you had a perfect life. I even felt anger towards you, because my brother, Raymond told me you were in on it with "them" in brainwashing us kids.
In your mother's defense, I learned a lot from her. I have fond memories of Ginger, teaching me how to play the piano a little, giving me extra M&M's, and holding me on her lap in that rocking chair in the front on the K-3 grade classroom.
Looking back, I have a love/hate recollection of The Assembly, I owe my love for reading to your mother and to Kandy.
Thank you for putting this together, the other assembly kids that I am still in contact with were sent this. I must admit that we all cried too.
Thank you!
Best of luck! I'm really glad you escaped from that cult.
In America today there are false churches. I pray getting caught up, in a cult like you did, doesn’t steal you away from Christ, and His word! He is good and merciful. His church has a lot of false prophets, but His word stands true forever!
Hang in there kiddo....youll make it !!!
@@BLUELOVEFOREVER1 To who is He merciful, fully, though - and was He also, ah, equally merciful, to Spanish, Medieval, Jews?
@@chrissonofpear1384 @chris sonofpear1 He is merciful and He is just. All have sinned, and He opposes the proud sinner but gives grace to the humble sinner.
Many years ago I felt the need to re-examine my belief as a Bahá'í and so I announced to everyone that I was renouncing my membership in the community. There were no reproaches; instead everyone wanted assurances that I'd keep up my friendly association with them. I continued attending Bahá'í events on occasion, until I eventually rediscovered my faith and rejoined without fanfare. I was never asked for explanations. During these many years since, I've regarded doubts as a God-given stimulus to reflect, investigate, and learn, and as a result my belief has grown ever stronger and richer.
I have not been in a church for years, but after I left I decided to build a close relationship with God in my own base on deep honesty. I started by telling Him that I really didn’t like praying and I asked Him to help me because I still wanted to know who He really is and gradually as I was being sincere, He helped me and I have never before enjoyed so much his sweet fulfilling friendship. I found out God is a ton of fun and I have His real freedom to be me. I just love to spend time alone with God because it’s like having a SPA time. I wish I would have known that before.
Sounds exactly like me!
@Walter Will why do u not?
@Tax Coach Susan
I followed the same steps as you.
And after that, I could find people who were seeking God with the same truthfulness and authenticity.
Those people are the real church in my life. I really asked God to show me and connect me to His other children... (As I write this, my soul is filled with peace.)
John 4: Jesus says that worship to God isn't restricted to appointed places (mountains or temples): the true children of God worship Him in spirit and truth.
Elijah thought that he was alone - maybe he was the only one who truly worshiped God. But the Lord encouraged Him by assuring that there were other faithful ones.
I'm glad to know your experience. You too are my family in Jesus!
Praise the Lord!
@Walter Will I didn't addressed any words to you.
I spoke directly to my sister and brothers in Christ.
If you have already set your convictions, follow them.
I wish you love and peace!
@Walter Will I really appreciate your availability to talk. Jesus isn't among us in bodily form. So, we can't show evidences. We are saved by faith. This is the teaching throughout all the new testament.
Nobody will be saved by believing evidences.
Now, about the exclusivity of Jesus as the only way to God, He - Jesus himself has stated that.
Nobody can believe Jesus AND other gods.
I feel your pain. It took great courage to leave and greater courage to speak out. The world needs more people like you.
It's really as simple as this...Not everyone who says they are a Christian is a true Christ Follower.
thank you for the kind reminder
Who is the true Christ Follower? Who draws the line between true and false followers? Who decides that? All cults and churches claim that they are the truest followers.
To go for godly ways of living - is this "Christian" or not?
Matthew 7:21-23
Damir Asanov Cults have some other thing on the same level as Christ. For example, the Heaven’s Gate cult claimed that there was a UFO that would take them to heaven, and to get to this UFO, the members partook in a mass suicide.
I grew up in the Assembly (Fullerton) as well from about age 2 to 16. I knew Dawn and always really liked her and her sister. Both were younger than me. I’m so happy to see the healing in Dawn’s life. Many people needed healing at various levels because of the Assembly. I think us kids might have had it the worst because it robbed our childhood. They didn’t want the kids to attend any dances at school or do even normal things . When I was 16, one of the elders, Mark, talked to my mom about me wearing make up (lipstick and little mascara). Oh and God forbid I had a perm. Lol. Like Dawn said that was really looked down upon. I remember growing up feeling guilty about everything.
My family was kind of ostracized by the elders especially toward the end. My younger sister and I didn’t go their school. We were in a (secular ) public school, which was bad. Also my my dad didn’t attend-that was also bad. My aunt was in one of those training homes. She experienced, what I consider now, emotional abuse because of all the “correction” and training to be more godly. Toward the end, when I was about 16, the shunning toward my mom and grandmother really got strong. They were told years later that the other members were told to shun them. As toxic and controlling as the leadership was I also remember there were a lot of loving people in the general public of the Assembly who just loved the Lord and meant well . I really loved the people that volunteered as youth ministers from childhood through high school. I really liked all the kids I grew up with. I got to babysit for a couple of amazing families with great kids. Hearing other people’s stories from the assembly has brought a lot of comfort. I know God can restore.
I believe elder Mark was our neighbor in Fullerton and he and his wife D.. have since left the cult .. the house had various church members and they’d have “ consequences “ for their action as adults like yard work weed pulling .. they were all sweet and we shared a few meals and lovely conversations.. we are Christians not in a cult and soon realized it was a bit weird .. glad they disbanded.. loved them all as neighbors and friends .. they followed the wrong way to Jesus. Law without Love is Legalism ..
Surely those loving and well intentioned souls deserved better than a controlling and toxic CULT instead of a genuine open expression of faith.
It really seems like the way you've handled recovering from the cult is much healthier than Dawn's method. I see the anger and bitterness in her eyes.
@@biker5662 Thank you. You think she is hiding it behind her humor? I pray it not be so. The worst part about these types of "churches" (besides the emotional damage) is the spiritual damage. They turn people away from God and destroy people's faith in His power, healing and love. Nothing can heal, fulfill and make us whole like Jesus can.
@@shaunafisher2323 yes, it seems like she is. I agree that only Jesus can provide full healing. He is almighty!