How A 1600HP Coyote V8 Engine Is Made | Behind The Scenes At FFRE
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2022
- In todays video we bring you a first look behind the scenes on how a 1600hp Coyote engine is made from start to finish. Spanish version: • Cómo Se Arma Un Motor ...
The process starts with a brand new factory Ford Coyote short block. The engine is inspected and then moved down the production line into the CNC machine. The bore process is then started, It gets rough bored. The CNC machine then gets the finish boring bar in to get the block sleeves to the right size. The next step is the circle interpolate the block for the flange. Final step is now to chamfer the block, deburring, and sleeves will get sized and picked out then installed, Honing, and decking process.
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To all the manufacturers , I respect all of the different designs. However being a Ford guy and put together close to 500 coyotes , I just love these great engines. Great stuff guys. 👍
Built or stock motors
@@V58dripperdoes it matter bare block and up still work
It not about you
been an aerospace machinist for over 30 years I have never seen a CNC that clean except when it was brand new
A good Machinist does just this, explains everything very well and so the average person understands. Great video, Real Street and FFRE are top tier.
being a good machinist has nothing to do with explaining these things to an average person
@@jench78 Okay so what is it then? There are some excellent workers that can't talk, explain, communicate worth poo. They can get to a degree of professionalism but not nearly as quickly or easily if they cannot communicate their craft.
Came back to remind everyone of Brett's stellar performance at S.W. 2023. 6.50s @ 215+ !!! Coyote is 🤴 👑
Now he did even better
The shop floor is cleaner than most restaurant kitchens
More coyote contents 🤤
I agree
Me too
As both a machinist and a car enthusiast - I highely appreciate such awesome job 👍👍👍
Hats off to the people who make the tools and equipment these guys use as well. Lot of genius being put to work there.
Come back...ur wondering out the box
Man I wish I could afford one of those hot rod motors!!! Y'all do an awesome job! One day maybe I'll be able to order one from you guys.
LET'S GO JAY!!!🏁
I got my Ecotec dry sleeves from LASleeve too...
Awesome fellas...BADASS
Man it’s unbelievable I’m 51 years old I’ve never had a hot rod I’ve wanted one my whole life one of these days man I’m going to do it Lord willing if your shop ever wants to adopt my truck just let me know lol 😂
Quality and Detail really do matter.... Using the best parts, attention to tiniest detail, extreme quality control, and a track proven 'recipe' for awesome Engines sets Fast Forward Racing Engines apart from others. Repeatability time after time is ultimate report card. Job well done.
Great video guys can’t wait to get my motor built from you guys.
I have a 2015 gt with 6800 miles on it. I put a gen5 3.0l whipple on it, and now I'm thinking about sleeving block and forging the internals. This video pretty much sealed the deal for me and I'll be doing it
Great information thanks for sharing
Another good explanatory video, on the great Coyote motor, making a good motor better.😀🙋♂️
Super clean shop!
Good work particularly with the piece that keeps the oil pick up tube from bottoming out. I lost 2 engines due to a shop not bottoming the tube on the pan. Word to the wise, ALWAYS let the builder install your oil pan.
Love the coyote content!
That shop is highly recommended by alot of people.
Great video guys. Why not line bore them to obtain a true centre before boring?
Some serious machine work....
What an awesome job building Coyote motors all day no that's what I would call the dream of a lifetime
Very Cool Video. I love to have one of these motors
Fascinating. 21Mach1 owner.
Nice work guys
Best show on the Internet, boys let’s see some GT 350 motors be built
This is going to be me one day! On my way to becoming a master tech
FFRE is in Illinois. I’m in Iowa. I didn’t know you guys worked on Fords. I might be checking you out for some chassis work and an engine build.
Fast Forward Race Engines is actually located in New Port Richey, FL, I think you’re confusing it with another shop.
Nice sharing my friend
I love this🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great video.
Do you stress relieve the block before final machining? Some other shops that sleeve aluminum blocks use a vibratory stress relief machine to stress relieve the block before final machining and sleeve installation.
Awesome!
Another very informative video! Coyote FTW💪🏽
Nothing about the coyote is special or remarkable.
Now a 2500HP Nissan RB26! That’s remarkable!
@@tthams73 you know how the saying goes. Haters gonna hate.
@@marshalleng1933 yup
@tthams73 ok, and which import has gone 300.4 mph on oem block and heads in a standing mile? Zero
Or ran 5.88 @ 250mph on an oem block and heads, timing components, and crank? Zero
Which oem head import has gone 265mph in a quarter? Zero
Which factory sealed engine and trans import has gone 7.90s? Zero
Which import has done an official 1,000 mile in 5 days public road event and made ten different 6 sec passes @ over 212 mph over 5 days on a 275 while beating nearly every billet motor entry while running a sleeved oem block, oem heads, and oem crank? Zero
Fords twin cam engines hold all of these records on OEM parts while any import that still hasn't matched these are on all billet engines and slower. Lastly, mmr has made over 4200 rwhp on a billet Coyote block and ported oem GT350 heads.
2500 hp all billet engine that resembles an RB26 is lame bruh
@@tthams73 smh ignorance
Great video
What oil pump do you install into your motors for the GT350 5.2 platform
Thats awesome. I want FFRE to work on my Coyote
Do you have a 5 axis add on for your T&S
well what do you do to the heads?
What is the benefit in adding the sleeve as apposed to just use the block?
They aren't 'adding' sleeves, they are removing the factory sleeves and installing new aftermarket sleeves. Factory sleeves have a much lower tolerance for handling boost. Aftermarket sleeves can handle more psi, for longer durations. This is very common with any aluminum blocks, whether its GT-R's, LS's, Coyote's, etc.
@@braveheart4lif31 Thanks for clearing that up. One would assume the factory would be a high quality.. Since is warrantied. That is kinda disappointing.
@@jasonme3557 It is high quality. The factory block was designed to handle a 500 crank HP car. People are making 1000-1200 crank HP with them. If anything, they are overbuilt.
More coyote videos....please and other ford power plants!
Do you guys ever crio-treat blocks after the main bit of machining is completed?
who do you guys recommend for tuning? (jz)
LS killa
which head gasket do you use in the oring block?
Factory or Cometic. You have to have the depths correct to avoid problems.
Machine Shop guys love saying "Circle Interpolate"
Are pushrod engines days numbered?
Sweet
Dang I would love to work for you guys, but you guys probably don't have any manual machines. Since CNC is much easier and keeps everything true
Excuse my ignorance and lack of knowledge but aren’t those cylinder walls thin for that much power?
At what hp do you need new sleeves?
Your gonna get mixed results. I've had a 1000whp f150 for the past 2 yrs with my built motor that I did not sleeve. built it during covid and I had MPR just do the machine work and I assembled it. ( boostline rods and Mahle pistons) a brand new block from ford is only 800 bucks.. anyway I was told to keep it under 1100whp and it should live.
@@malloymotorsports780 f150 🤣🤣 you’re crazy.
if its the most fastest then its sick!
So are these like starter motors for a Steve Morris engine? At the sharp end of the stick 2500hp is the entry to hang with the low six high 5's entrants.
Of course you can spend more $$ for more hp. It all depends on how much money you want to spend and what you want in the end.
...so, anyway, now that FFRE's Coyote is running with Steve's SMXs...
(BTW, very few SMXs are knocking on 5s - that's a MASSIVE task for anything that isn't an actual Pro Mod)
What keeps the sleeves tight in there? They just slid in.
thermal contraction of the block
before installing the sleeves they heat the block to a higher temperature than its operating temperature. When the block heats up, it expands, making the bore bigger, which enables them to slide the sleeves in place. After the block cools down, it shrinks, tightening around the sleeves.
The block will never get up to a temperature high enough during its normal life to expand enough for the sleeves to become loose again, so once they are installed, they are not going anywhere...
@@satanaz awesome thanks
I’m a little confused because heat causes stuff to expand and cooling it causes it to contract. I watched where they would cool the sleeves down and then put it into the motor and when it heats back up it will never move specially the motor heating up cause that motor to expand and stay in even tighter.
@@williamrose7184 cooling the sleeve will make it shrink, so it also works; when the sleeve gets back to room temperature, it expands/gets bigger, and it will press against the block. If you have an aluminium block and a steel sleeve, then it will not get a tighter fit as the engine heats up during operational conditions - that is because the aluminium has a higher coeficient of expansion than steel, meaning that the bore in the block gets bigger faster than the outer diameter of the sleeve, but they take that into account when designing the diameters of both parts, to make sure that they never become loose. If both sleeve and block are steel, then they will expand/contract at the same rate if they are both in at the same temperature. BUT usually the sleeve works at a slightly higher temperature than the block, because it is in direct contact with the combustion gasses, whereas the block is usually being cooled by coolant, so the sleeves will probably expand faster than the block anyway, just because they are usually hotter.
Press fit and head
I would love to work their
What would one of those short blocks cost?
Fuking awesome
People say no replacement for displacement. While it is kindve true the over all design of the engine matters so so so much and ford got the coyote spot on
The replacement is boost. I bet if you ran no boost in this engine it would make slightly less power than a stock unit.
When cracking 30+psi up it, plenty of power is to be made
@@ReubenHorner literally 3-4sec 0-60 fbo and tuned in an f150 n/a 5.0. That’s pretty remarkable. And not to mention it’ll run 7s factory sealed.
I'm like your Video
I love coyotes im young and i have a channel i built my first one its awsome hobby
I want to see you build a 5.2 Shelby motor
New Sleeves for a Street car is a bit overkill?
what's the MPG for this engine?
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@@williamrose7184 😂😂
If only I had money, I'd know exactly who I'd go to.
All I need now is… BIG $$$
Oooofff 🔥
Sheeeeesh where the voodoo engines at
Oil squirter block off plates? You'd think leaving them there would be better
They're supplied with oil straight from the mains - they're running 4-digit HP, that's a lot of force pushing down on the crankshaft, they want to keep as much oil pressure as they can to support it.
The primary benefit of piston oil squirters is for long duration running to keep the pistons cool. Not really a problem making a 1/4 mile pass.
@@RyTrapp0 Oh ok. In the context of a drag specific engine this makes sense. Thanks for the info
Whats the overall price for A 1600hp coyote motor
“Most fastest coyote” lol
I swear if I Win the lotto I'm gonna order a top notch engine for my 2016 Mustang (Manual)
Somebody should cut a V8 into 4 and race that 🤘
Damn bout had a heart attack, ford made terrible engines between 2000-2020. Now, I noticed you fixed that issue by placing new sleeves, nice!
The coyote has been out since like 2011 or 2012…… Ford has been doing extremely well since then, and I’m not a Ford guy at all, but the coyote is something else
ok, and which engine from anyone but Ford has gone 300.4 mph on oem block and heads in a standing mile? Zero.
Or ran 5.88 @ 250mph on an oem block and heads, timing components, and crank? Zero
Or ran 5.67 @ 265mph in a quarter on a ported OEM head? Zero
Or has gone 7.90s on a 100% factory sealed engine and trans? Zero..but 3 Coyites have.
And no other make has done an official 1,000 mile in 5 days public road event and made ten different 6 sec passes @ over 212 mph over 5 days on a 275 while beating nearly every billet motor entry while running a sleeved oem block, oem heads, and oem crank.
Fords twin cam engines hold all of these records on OEM parts while and Lastly, mmr has made over 4200 rwhp on a billet Coyote block and ported OEM GT350 heads.
Ignorant Ford haters are the worst.
Do you understand that *ALL* factory aluminum blocks need sleeves over ~1000HP or so(call it "~125HP per cylinder"; a Honda K-series I4 will need sleeves over ~500HP for example)? You have to be living under a rock to not be aware of aluminum LSs(& LTs) and Gen 3 Hemis needing sleeved just like Coyotes.
I mean, do you actually think that there's mass production OEMs out there selling 2000HP capable blocks *without any work* from the factory?
How are you getting 1600 hp from a short block with standard bore and stroke? Being well balanced doesn’t create worse power
When a company gives a horsepower rating of a short block it’s a maximum recommended power level for that engine.
8:20 Yeah, I like the most fastest.
Your block that comes from Ford has been pre-machined. If it wasn't, it would have all cast surfaces.
I tried to get them to do a pair of four valve per cylinder heads, but they said they don't do work for the public. That they were contracted overseas to only do their work and their builds.. what a shame
Life expectancy of 5 minutes instead of 2 minutes.
Brett smashed the competition at Sick Week this year and ran the entire event with only an o-ring issue. 2500 whp on a sleeved oem predator block, ported gt350 heads, and oem Coyote crank.
Your comment is a retarded as every other Ford hater comment.
Ford is absolutely king in oem engine power potential and why the records are held by them....not whatever you're a fan of.
I thought Ford developed a cast-iron coyote block 3 years ago?
re: pandemic/worldwide lockdowns, it got delayed(just like everything cast in the aftermarket)
Guys what Ford do all that for you then check them
So, what actually causes the typewriter tick in the gen 3? Sounds like too much clearance in the rod bearings to me. Y’all have to know, come on and tell us please?!?!
The Gen 3 uses direct injection. That could be what you are hearing.
Too much clearance in the rod bearings?😂
Son what are you talking about
What's a ball park cost on this to build 1000hp reliable street? Website too detailed too many questions just to get an idea. Comparing to Barra for uniqueness and cost.
Do you mainly work with customer blocks?
Just get a factory crate coyote engine plenty of guys making 1000whp with an unopened engine reliably.
Approx 10k for factory crate motor 460hp. How much boost to 1000hp? Can stock handle that? Common as they are in you tube a Barra might be more unique and stand out more even at less hp. Just thinking out loud.
start to finish ? is that it ? you leave the buyer a lot of work to do then !
i thought sleeves were glued
Well how far can you bore a stock coyote 50 without slaving it I've never heard anybody say
Gen 3 cannot be bored. And frankly you shouldn’t bore a gen1 or 2 either the extra sleeve thickness is more important for high horsepower engines
fukin awesome
Wait wait wait I thought them stock sealed untouched unmolested coyotes were 1600hp machines from the factory?!?!? You mean you actually have to build them LIKE EVERY OTHER ENGINE!?
Gen 3s live pretty well at 1000 to 1100 wheel stock that has to be close to 1400 crank stock m. That’s still really impressive for a stock engine.
In what world has ANYONE ever claimed that? Last I checked, the consensus a couple years ago was that "the blocks are weaker than the 4.6l, they can't take much more than 1000HP..." - now "1600HP stock unsealed"? Stop it bro...
With A Huge Budget, that’s how.
😎👍🇺🇸
wish I had 20k
Real machinist and engine builders are a dying breed. CNC machines are for those who can't do math correctly. I'll stick to my Van Norman boring bar and lathe mill.
WTF?
Cnc is for people that like precision work, idiots like you say that because can not work with cnc machines, people think that is easy, yes it is easy if someone do all the program for you and optimize all the service. Than you just need out parts in and out and start button.
No matter what you put that coyote motor in, it will never catch a Plymouth Roadrunner..
😂😂😂 ok
Steve Morris says this is NOT how you oring a block.
Steve Morris says that this is NOT how he likes to do it, that it may work for other people, but he does it his way because that's what he's found to work for him
Ask a dozen engine builders what their preferred O-ringing 'recipe' is, you'll probably get close to a dozen different answers
@@RyTrapp0 I think I trust the guy that seals off 5000 plus horsepower with reliability in mind.
@@superkillr Great. These guys build the fastest cast Coyotes and one of them has been beating up on Steve's SMXs. Probably for significantly less money than an all-billet big block too.
“Keeps oil pressure high” guy produces high perf engines and doesn’t understand oil pressure.
It’s like blood, high pressure is bad. You want the correct pressure and flow.
It helps keep pressure high in the sense that it’s not just 8 big hole bleeding off pressure.
When your rpm limit goes from 6500 to 10000 you definitely need more pressure. To much hurts flow but 65 psi of oil pressure isn’t helping rod bearing live at 10k
@@joshr8680 what r the holes? Did he say they were squirter holes? And yea I would agree 65 is to low for 10k.
10 psi per 1000 rpm is what I’ve learned to be correct.
@@michaelric3540 yeah they are piston squirters
10psi per 1000rpm isn't "correct", it's just a rule of thumb. For old engines designed in the 1950s & 1960s engines.
Feel free to go find examples of "too much oil pressure", good luck with your search. Make sure to look at the typical oil pressures that modern engines introduced in the last 20 or so years operate at...
$$$$$$
Don't believe they show any of the good secrets
I hate ford but respect Coyote engines
Youre not getting 1600HP out of a coyote, at least not for long.
Idk man. Look up the Snot Rocket mustang. It made 2506hp on the dyno! Yes, probably won’t last long, but still. Cleetus also has a 6 second mustang pushing huge horsepower as well.
Good lord you must've been living under a rock...
Anyway, check out Brett LaSala completing his first drag-n-drive last year, Sick Week 2023 running 6.70s-6.80s(1/4) on small tire radials all week with his FFRE built Coyote(that's also the fastest cast Coyote in a non-Pro Mod as far as I'm aware). Finished 3rd overall, won the radial class, and ran the fastest time ever on radials.
As far as I'm aware, I don't think Cleetus & the SMX powered Mullet have beaten LaSala & and the FFRE Coyote powered Snot Rocket, neither a heads up race nor in competition(they run the same classes at drag-n-drives and some other events, typically small tire radial or a 'street car' class). I believe he's still run faster than Steve's wagon's best number as well.
...what a rock that must've been LOL
Why would anyone want any of this.. just go get your pilots license and a plane it’s cheaper and you don’t get speeding tickets