Detailed 2500+HP Coyote V8 Engine Teardown - What We Found After Going 200+MPH Back To Back!
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2023
- Featured on @ThatRacingChannel first. In this video Jay & Brett visit Fast Forward Race Engines to tear apart Brett's engine. This engine has accomplished more than just a few passes, It made over 2500+HP and went 6.5 @ 212 MPH 1/4 mile passes! There is a lot to cover here, Enjoy the full break down of this engine with Jay, Brett and Joe from FFRE.
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LS guy here.. gotta appreciate the engineering went into designing this platform
indeed, high fives all around
The coyote is definitely different! It performs extremely, I’m not a ford guy either, but I’m extremely impressed with the coyote
Surprised what they are doing with stock block and heads.
Very cool shit. As someone who has no favorite Make and has owned everything from a 77 Caprice Estate wagon to an 02 Subaru WRX or a 12 Mustang GT and currently a German hairdresser 21 TTRs with over 600 HP among many others, I always knew the Coyote was an amazing platform. They can make insane HP with forced induction. They sound amazing.
The single downside is size. That's it.
EDIT: WAIT! Ok so you might need a clean room and some advanced knowledge to rebuild one. heh.
100%
I can’t believe that this level of coyote didn’t have billet cam caps.
Yes I agree
Same
If you could have 2900 HP in your race/street car and not have to buy all the regular high dollar parts………. I’m in.
Coyotes are becoming a force to reckon with and i believe they will end up being one of the greatest engine platforms especially in the Ford racing world... Coyote FTW!
I'm more excited about a na coyote in a mid rear car, or fr, for circuit racing.
I love my coyote. But holy cow. 2500 hp. That's got to be fun to drive
This just shows if you maintain your engine through proper maintenance & checking data between runs you will succeed & have fewer issues
Ain't nothing like Ford power 💪🏿💪🏿, keep up the excellent work guys👍🏿
Dude I just want to say thank y’all for doing these coyote videos! I started at Ford right when the coyote started and I recommended that engine to every one
MMR has taken a billet block 351in³ coyote with ported oem heads to a 5.67 @ 265mph. This is the next step for the snot rocket
2 completely different set up. IMHO shot ticket ot way more impressive
That's some clean , precise and honest tear down ... Respect ..!
Crazy to see this after watching cleetus put a massive smx engine in mullet and this little coyote doing exactly what hes doing at the same level, or almost better
Well turns out you were correct bud!
The FFRE / Real Street/ MSR Team Coyote is extremely impressive for a handful of reasons 💯
The SMX / SML engine is relatively new compared to the Coyote In regards to “engineering”
I completely agree that a 300+ c.I. Engine turning 9,500+ rpm on a stock block, crank, head, etc running low 6’s @ 224+mph is EPIC 💯
Especially when door to door with an SMX / SML 400 / 540+ inch billet everything … however Steve is one ☝️ man engineering and funding the program where The Coyote program as 100+ engineers and 100’s of millions of funding … so impressive to both to say the least
Cletus has been chasing these little four valves for a long time,throwing greater and greater displacement at them.These Coyotes are nasty little beasts.My 4.6 Whippled Terminator destroyed its share if modified LS’s.
Yeah at like, 800lbs less weight
Nice to be able to geek out at this level without spending my own money..! Great video men
Nice to see the appreciation for the Coyote I'm amazed by the Gen 1 in my 12 F150.
At the end of the video Jays audio is echoed. Not complaining just wanted to let you know. Great video
Love it! Crazy with what FFRE, Jay, and Brett were able to do with an engine that is found in your everyday Mustang. Can't wait to see the next phase, looks like you guys are going to turn it up.
WOW ... that many hours under duress and that was the only issue ?? Now that's one well built engine.
I love my coyote. Plenty of power for the street. Reliable and fun to drive
Started with Ford as a lucky 15 ( 75') yr. old w/ a Courier... to learn to drive, lol. 76' bought my first real driver 69' Chevelle SS with a donor tri power 427 from around the same year Vette... M-22, Moroso brute strength posi... yada, yada, boo... into full rebuild and the first narrowed 12 bolt in S.E. Texas... SO... for the last 25 years I've been building one off exclusive builds 32' to 35' ford trucks and coupes. ( have built self made sizes 120% to 172% scales... for a customer the only 34' coupe out of Beryllium copper sheets/304ss ... lol )
Been looking all these years for a Ford engine that tripped my trigger... your video has sunk a hook that requires a round of due diligence... I'm stoked, runnin' around the house... even got such an inebriated rush going... I slapped the wife on her larger cheeks... lol... with no smiles... lol. Appreciate the honesty you have shared... KUDO'S to you gents involved... TRULY CAPTIVATING AND HOPEFULLY LIFE ALTERING! Respectfully, Seth
I'm 64 years old my first 3 trucks were Fords. My first car at 16, in 76' was a 69' Chevelle SS w/ an original L-88 427 and a Muncie R-22... I worked at the local speed shop from 15 to almost 18... working on my Bosses' " COLE BLACK " Flatbottom V- drive who set the World Record in Injected BBC that held for years and years! So... needless to say, I was cemented as a Chevy guy till 2022... WHEN out of my vision appears this Coyote F- 150 truck... and Iam back to being a turncoat...lol!
You three in this video, Manuel, Randy Seals, ONDGAS, and HOUSTON SYREET MONSTERS... have me ECSTATICALLY building these things like crazy!!! I cannot thank you enough for the amount of SOLID INFO, YOU GENTS HAVE SHARED... definitely an IMMEASURABLE WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE, that have allowed me my last " hurrah as it will! My thanks again and admiration for what you are doing in ALL OF OUR LIVES!
Respectfully, Seth
Not a Ford guy but damn..Ford built a hell of an engine ..wow..
Both Plazmaman & Shauns Custom Alloy are amazing intakes produced in Australia
I also run a plasma man manifold and never had any issues up to 50 psi.
You will definitely need billet cam caps and ARP bolts at 65 psi. 👍
Coyotes are so fucking badass!!! I’ve been a huge fan since the gen 1. Huge game changer and I’m happy to see people finally realizing how great these engines are. Great video guys!
Great team of guys right there! Lots of brains!!
Wow. Great insight, guys. Thanks much for sharing. Learning a lot about the amazing platform. Gonna watch this several times. Thx again!
Fantastic work guys, just getting into the Coyote engine and loving everything you guys do. Keep pushing 👍👍
25-2900hp with stock cams bearing caps, cams, crank, block, heads---and stock head bolts!
Mind blown. 🤯🤯
Stock block? Didn't he say they sleeved it, or am I incorrect?
I'm glad someone knows to say it moves the air well rather than it dissipates heat real good
Less competitive racer here: ‘21 Mach 1, Twin 62s, 950whp, 6spd Manual
What would your recommendations be to reduce stress on the motor. Your comment regarding how hard the 6r80 could be got me thinking. What can I do to the driveline, while remaining a stick to help it live longer?
If that isnt the best place for longevity what is one thing youd otherwise recommend? So far it has been good fuel, ensuring its up to temp before any abuse, and frequent oil changes. This car is driven on the street with maybe monthly track outings but sometimes more.
Great Episode... man im really impressed . This coming from someone pushing 900whp Daily out of gen 3 coyote 6 speed (stock Engine still) Impressed on how well these block are holding up with stock parts.
Yep, good insightful video on a great Coyote engine, well done.
Great video, thanks for making it.
really enjoy these videos!
Well done guys, very impressive
I love these breakdown videos
mod motors man. total game changer for ford. chevy guy here. but was so impressed with what a bolt on can do
I appreciate you guys letting us see part of your program. You guys know your stuff!
Good to see 👀 people working so well on a project
Man, this was such an informative and cool video in so many freaking ways. Thanks guys! I’m running a sleeved coyote from Tim Eichhorn that gets it. Love the coyote platform.
Thanks! The coyote platform has really taken off in these past few years, and we love seeing its progression!
Yeah man. Hey, I’m thinking about going to engine building school. I’ve been a teacher for 20 years, and I’m tired of being in the classroom. Can you guys recommend a school? I’d love to learn how to build the Coyote. Thanks! @@realstreetperformance
Really interesting. To me the main thing that was right with these engines from the beginning (modular motors) was the stability of the bottom end. Cylinder length being a weakness at this level with the 8.937” deck height.
Nice clean organized shop! Rare these days.
Seriously awesome work. You guys should try line 2 line coating on the old pistons it really helped on a big ci small nitrous engine that had a lot of piston rock at the bottom. Much respect for what you guys have done.
32:43 There's a weird skip, then some double audio. Didn't know if anyone had noticed.
I love this shit, the amount of in depth knowledge just casually discussed was very satisfying.
Excellent stuff. Probably want to look at a different design piston
“65 isn’t crazy” says crazy guy
It's so cool to see u guys collaborate on video like this. I'm not a domestic guy but I build alot of newer mustangs for a living and its amazing what that platform can do
Have you checked out line2line coatings on piston and others?
Great content!!! 👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
Great information well done
Jay you the Man dood ..
I need one of these engines soon ❤
Great information thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Have you guys thought about going to an aftermarket casting from Bear Motors? About a month ago AED Tuning did a detailed block comparison between Coyote, Predator and Bear.
I need to record one of mine too. Guys love to see how engines wear
These videos are amazing. Would it be possible to add a subtitle with metric measurements for all of us none Americans? I understand it would be extra production cost and your main customers are in the USA. But the rest of the planet pretty much would be so grateful if you could. Especially when talking displacement and stroke and stuff.
Fascinating!
What type of oil pump are you guys running in that engine? Also what brand and weight of oil did you use for this engine? Thank you
All the rocker arm retaining clips are missing, I blew 8 of mine off. I also broke the same cam cap. I believe the rocker arm retaining clips came off and went through cam.
Immensely Great dude
Still driving my lowly 14 Mustang GT, runs like a top.
Going back to the piston skirt. Does that any effect on HP or temp difference in the engine? Or is that normal wear on engines built for this HP?
ECHO ECHO ECHO TEST 123!!!!😂
Good Shit 🇺🇸💪🏼🐎
Wish y'all would have zoomed in on those knock sensors for the LS street tuner crowd that think their tune and data logging makes them obsolete.
2500 factory block is freaking wild. There are aftermarket blocks that can't live there. To echo the group, what RPM range does this live at? Seems like doing it all up high is helping
Last video on his engine they said 9100rpm maybe it's different now with the turbo change.
@@jordancook5171 ty ty for the info!
Turn it up!!
Hey Jay was hoping to pick your brain my local junkyard has 3 engines and I wanted to see which you would go from.
1 LS2- 5k
2 L99-4,500k
3 Coyote- 7k
Thanks for all the wisdom I’m trying to soak it all up!!
If you’re not going to build the engine and wanna stay under 800whp Coyote all day.
@@169abr I’m gonna build it out billet crank forged pistons aluminum rods rings gapped for boost 600 lift camshaft 1.5 rockers steel girdle probably around 30 ish boost
How in hell can you hold THIS much power/boost with 4 headbolts per cylinder on a stock cast block/heads ? my mind is blown.
What if the valve guide in that cylinder are sizing up during higher rpm and forcing the cam shaft upwards running it out of clearance mechanically suspect since it's rear cylinder exhaust right ?
Could you use piston dome design to force load directionally down the bore ?
Would it be possible to come up with a timing belt conversion ? Also can you talk more about how the shift points in a 6r80 can hurt the engine?
This isn't using a 6r80
With the TH400 they can run a much looser converter/combination of parts that lets the engine stay above their target rpm range on shifts
The TH400 can be manually/pneumatically shifted at rpm points/speeds even if the transmission can't "see" the rpm
The 6r80 being a clutch on clutch automatic and computer controlled cannot do that
@@chipcurrey653 they mentioned the 6r80 specifically in the video. I’m running a manual transmission on my drag build so I don’t care that much but yes I’m aware of how a lockup th400 works
Amazing
It was so weird hearing him talk at the end!! 😂😂 what in the world was that editing 😂😂
7 months later hes going 4:00's! Way bad dude!
THANK'S GUY'S GREAT VIDEO AND CONTENT. GREAT INFORMATION FOR ME TO BUILD A STRONG GEN. 3 COYOTE 5.0 ENGINE, THAT WILL LAST AND HAVE THE POWER I WANT FOR MY 64' FALCON SPRINT (500 RWHP)
AND (420 RWTQ) TO 8,000 RPM. SUPER COBRA JET MANIFOLD WITH TROTTLE BODY. IF I CAN GET A GEN.3 COYOTE 5.0 N.A. ENGINE BUILT WITH GREAT PART'S AND THE POWER I WANT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
Fascinating 🇯🇲
My imagination element analysis concludes that those cam caps look like they would break exactly where they broke. Are there aftermarket cam caps with a bit more cross-section available for these heads?
Could bore to crank angle address the piston skirt abrasion on cylinders ?
So what is real street doing for Brett do they sponsor him ? Sounds like 10r80 gear shifts are easier on the engine since it stays tight between shifts
Wondering with all those passes and street miles how much the rods stretched.
Is there a bad year for the coyote platform? Or has it always been this reliable?
Teacher Jay in class.
Why no bearings/ bearing material for those cams to ride on or in.
Does ford give you guys support /$$$$ for R&D / & ect....Because this motor blows my mind....this to me is a game changer ....Im a chevy ovaul track motor guy...im impressed with everything you guys did...alot of skill and development and engineering
I love ls’s they are cheap, but it’s clear coyotes are gonna dominate drag racing as more aftermarket support becomes available. Can’t have a conversation about either engine without mentioning the other it seems like 😅
Send me that old rotating assembly lol
How much did the rods stretch?
On an ls at this power level you need 6 bolt heads, this block looks like it's 4. What allows these blocks to hold this power on a 4 bolt? thicker head decks, bigger studs?
Probably the small bore !!
I just saw a video about Ford HP new block with Propiatary Iron Black and it only weights 230 lb's more and can be bored and stroked to 5.6 liters
What secondary timing guides are they running on ethanol?
All Looks to be RGRENGINES ethanol proof stuff
My background is high performance airplane engines. Can't see much holding that top plate down on manifold ! A few bolts is all I see. With the 'cycling' pressure inside your asking for trouble. Stretched bolts...expanding / contracting aluminum. It'll weaken over time..... that top plate will blow off before burst panel.
Would be so cool if RS or Steve Morris would develop a 6L version of this platform with room to grow in a billet block. Very impressive that these OEM factory parts held up as well as they did @ 6.5 times factory power output. OEM block, crank, heads, cam caps, timing system. GM are you watching?
GM already steeped up the game with the c8 zo6, 4wd twin turbo zr1 is slowly cooking
@@Airman.. during development GM first used fords 5.2 ltr program to learn from then they went to Ferrari and finished their new design after inspecting both. What GM did is nothing new- they just too the development other companies spent $$$$ on and upgraded. Ferrari and Ford both have new upgraded platforms coming out. Everyone is stepping up the game- like Ford did initially, GM is having trouble with the new engine. A handful have self destructed within 50-75 miles off the showroom floor
@@cantbsdave do you have a reference to support this?
@@Airman.. It's all over Google c8 zo6 engine failure one popped at 52 miles! A bunch under 1k miles its really bad.
MMR has a billet block and with ported gt350 heads and @ 351 in³ they ran a 5.67 @ 265mph. I'm fairly certain no oem head has done this.
How do you properly use a Torque wrench ?
How is your audio so good
4.6 gang approves
100%!
i thought this was the rebuilding the engine video haha
Caps look cast so better put some billet caps. Or if not billet steel caps if possible.
Turn it up
Wonder if it just had a single bad cam cap.