Destiny's Death by a Thousand Cuts
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2023
- I love this game, I really do. But there are so many small issues that need to be fixed that it's becoming overwhelming. And even beyond the surface level bugs, the server stability issues, and the aggressive microtransactions... there's some deeper core issues that I really hope get addressed in the next few months leading up the The Final Shape.
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If you could change only one thing about Destiny, what would it be?
Reliable connections (funny how I had a better connection during the Activision days).
better f2p experience (im f2p)
Implementation of even just a few of the Eververse cosmetics every season into the actual game. Random drops from playlist activities, shaders put into raid encounters, ships at the end of dungeons.
Honestly. Less unnecessary grind for useless beans 🫘 at the end. Remember the D1 days? We had whole planets to explore and unlock the whole the thing. Not just have most content open and it’s a grind only game.
The studio that owns it
I feel that we as a community need to stop becoming divided amongst ourselves between those that play PVE and PVP. We really should be sticking together to demand that the game as a whole needs to be given the focus it needs and deserves. "United we stand, divided we fall" as the saying goes.
What are the pve complaints? Only thing I've really seen is the new dungeon is hard, which it's not. I think the division is because the pvp part of the game is a dumpster fire
@@bigox8337 PvE isn't very good either though. This goes on to prove the point of the op. PvE is just a bunch of recycled content and lack of meaningful content. It's the same for PvP. God forbid your one of the few that like gambit(I am). It's not a PvE vs PvP issue it's a Bungie needs to step up their game in general.
@@bigox8337 There are many shared complaints (server issues, lack of content etc) .. but what I am saying is that as a PVE player (as I am) .. if the PVP player base has legit complaints... the last thing we should be doing as a community is saying things like "Destiny is a PVE game" ... If PVP is neglected then Destiny the game is getting neglected regardless of how we play.
@@crimsoncrayon It IS a PVE game. Ask yourself this, what brings the overwhelming number of players to the game? PVE. What is the game marketed AND sold as? PVE. So it's a PVE game. The majority of content in the game is PVE as well. People talk about how bad the game is and I tell them, this game was only going to be as good as PVP allowed it to be. When you have a game where you can take armor/weapons from one sandbox into another, the game as a whole suffers. It's been happening for years in WoW and this game is no different.
@@URSoDead2Me I agree with you on a few things such as the marketing of the game and the draw to it but we are doing ourselves a disservice by this PvE vs. PvP argument amongst one another. When nearly (sometimes more than) 1/2 the population is playing PvP in Destiny, do you really think it has no place in this game? Destiny is not a PVE game. Destiny is also not a PVP game. Destiny is simply A game... and I love all of it. (even when its broken)
The social aspect of the game gets hit the hardest, really. Even friends/clanmates who played regularly don't log on as much anymore (me included).
It'd be cool if we all logged on a couple of times a week to get raids done and have a good laugh, but even that is a struggle. People are lacking the motivation to log on, period, and the game has had its periodic lulls, but I don't think I've seen the apathy run this deep before.
It's your friends faults for not wanting to play a game with friends for the sake of it and needing an in game reward. The reason why Forsaken was so good at keeping people interested was because there was blatant power creep in guns and abilities, but that's horrid game design and people need to realize how shit Forsaken was for the game long term
Lost my clan awhile ago, and the lack of social aspect has completely killed the entire game for me. We used to run raids pretty frequently but now when the few friends are actually on, we’re forced to 3-4 man the raids or suffer through toxic lfgs
@@scarletnoct5807 I can only agree in part. For context, we all have lives; families, responsibilities, work, etc.
These things will always take precedence for us. Even when we were clearing end-game content on a regular basis.
The problem is you still have to grind to interact with a good portion of said content (whether artifact/power level). Not sure what the future holds in this regard (leaks aside...).
If the game isn't good enough to keep their attention, with everything they have going on, can I place the blame entirely on them, and then use that as an excuse to defend this game?
No.
Time becomes more valuable of a resource the older you get, so if you don't have fun playing something the majority of the time (i.e., core activities) aside from raiding/endgame, why play it?
Especially when you need the former in order to enjoy the latter.
@@scarletnoct5807 Nah, game just shit fomo show now, stop coping
Same :(
Been on a break from Destiny since February for the first time since starting around The Taken King. Doesn’t look like I’m missing much and it’s painful seeing so much potential and talent give way to robotic seasonal content and a crumbling game infrastructure.
D2Y2 and everything it did for PvE and PvP will forever be missed. Some of the best moments of gaming in my life.
I played destiny on my ps3, so when TTK was moved on from, I was stuck in the past as the game continued to update. Seeing these videos of what Destiny is now, it just feels and looks so different from what I grew up with. But if I had played on PC and continued to play, who knows how many more thousands of hours I'd sink into a game that would eventually become this greedy and unwelcoming experience for new lights. Hell, even if I ever tried to play again I'd be a new light myself. I'm not going to pay 200 bucks to try and get back into a game. 200 could be spend in far different areas or games that are rewarding. ...It's a shame.
same, i was already burnt out before Lightfall and it's only gotten worse since then. currently on the longest break i've ever taken from Destiny and not planning on coming back until Final Shape, which will also be the first DLC i won't preorder and will wait for reviews first.
@@Creamworks the irony is I started getting somewhat apathetic towards Destiny as soon as Bungie came out saying apathy kills a game. When they proudly showed their scummy release model at GDC considering D2Y2, the absolute peak of Destiny, a failure and over-delivery, I felt like I had been scammed since Shadowkeep. Around the time when Destiny’s content drops felt robotic and disposable.
I’m glad you guys are finally speaking out. This issue has been apparent for a while. Bungie needs to make some plays
They are it's called marathon
@@essencealex1727 marathon ain’t gonna save em. I know I won’t buy the game after they’ve been taking my money for D2 content to build Marathon. I Can’t support that type of business model.
I don't think there counting on their destiny audience, all though it would be great if it blow's up to their face
Too little too late. 😂
And they did
this is a comment for the algorithm
Hopefully the top one too
Same
this is a reply for the algo
this is also a reply for the algorithm
MARATHON IS COMING 😈😈😈
Crazy to me how sole survivor got absolutely obliterated for PVP. But yet Merc is just allowed to be super random but it’s whatever, right?
No Slideshot and Opening Shot in the 4th column is an absolute crime.
The part where he talked about mercurial overreach i felt that. I grinded every single week for 3 roses and never got the roll i wanted and only got one of the perks ONCE... and now its gone.
This video really spoke to me. I also love destiny and the entire universe along with it, but playing the game is so painful these days. I haven’t kept it with it much recently, it’s hard to find the motivation when content just gets deleted, or is only available for a limited time. When I come back after a break I literally get CONFUSED on which DLCS I have to buy because there’s so many. Let alone the insane prices. I really want this game to succeed but it’s going to need a miracle. We appreciate this video, pattycakes.
Accurate comparison. Nothing enormous has gone wrong with destiny with it rather being small little creeping issues to where we are now. All so small to be significant enough for bungie to act but put together it’s not good
Maybe if you lot weren't handing 800 dollars to Bungie for the barest minimum of gameplay, they would feel inclined to actually make content.
@@11Survivor lol right. These people have did it to themselves.
As long as you’re making authentic content, that’s always the best kind of art/content someone can create!
Watching you and all the other d2 creators has helped me improve over the years. I enjoy your strats and techniques.
Patty completely nailed it! I know the feeling he’s talking about all to well! I struggle booting this game up everyday.
The fact that patty is waiting for the "hype machine" is a great reason to not agree
Man the entire community knows what it has, but it's got one last hurrah...
Here's hoping the The Final Shape is what we all want.
bet thats what you said before lighfall came out hahahahaha
@@yourlocalhuman3526Thought the same 😂❤
@@yourlocalhuman3526exactly. The hope is low. No point in expecting anything meaningful.
Final Shape at its best is likely going to be another Witchqueen: A great campaign but a bad expansion as it doesn't add anything substantial (with the exception of void 3.0), nor does it change anything that's already existed.
@@KDGammaboid 3.0 was not part of witch queen it was free too all players so this doesn’t count
I remember when I first started playing Destiny. I was hooked from the start. I would fall asleep with the controller in my hands while waiting for another Crucible or Iron Banana match to start at 4-5 in the morning. I don’t play anymore but still like watching some of the content creators to see if anything has been implemented that might bring me back and to hear about the newest lore discoveries.
Same…same.
The lore is more convoluted, trashy and full of plot holes than ever, so, rest assured you're not missing on anything.
Don't bother wasting your time "reading" that trash.
Even in Plunder (arguably the most recent time apathy got this bad) people were still regularly checking in to mess around with Arc 3.0, run King’s Fall every week and grab whatever shiny new Adept was available in Trials or Nightfalls. My clan leader, who has like 6,000 hours and always grinds hardcore, didn’t even want to do the GM this week. It’s not casuals D2 is turning away right now, it’s the longtime veterans who keep the game alive when it goes through droughts.
I honestly wish there was a horde type mode
Its need alot of things
It really needs to die tho. It's had its chance for nearly a decade. Its just not good enough and never has been..a huge refresh to establish story,.Ingame systems and set currencies with armor and vendor reworks needed to happen awhile back same with weapon crafting implementation. All too late and all complete garbo 😂
A horde morde in this game is basically just seasonal activities and the infinite garden. It's just not fun enough
It'd be so fun if there was a endless battlefield sort of mode where you kill hundreds of cabal
I really felt the loss of the social piece comment. I have people who I used to run weekly raids with that I haven’t raided with in two season because people have left the game.
In terms of titles, Destiny has some unique ones, like any of the dungeons that require solo flawless. There is an aspect of “getting better” from a “platforming” perspective, and honestly since I don’t really have any friends who play the game it’s really been my only endgame (soloing the newest dungeon).
I think Grenadier Jake said it best, the only thing that will change Destiny is the community’s apathy. Even bad publicity is still publicity for Bungie. Essentially Destiny has to cease to be relevant in the UA-cam algorithm. Unfortunately, there are many aspiring content creators looking to make their mark, and Destiny offers a level of depth that any new creator begin with, and with the “old guard” leaving in troves, the “new guard” can step in and “breath life” into Destiny from a revenue perspective. It’s a vicious cycle that ultimately works for Bungie because they don’t pay the content creators, and because even if the “old guard” makes videos about the games pitfalls, it’s still publicity.
That said the best advice that I have viewed is “find something different to play”. Don’t walk away mad, just walk away. Apathy, and by extension a rapid drop in player bases (loss of revenue for Bungie), will cause Bungie to finally make the changes that the community has asked for over the years, and then the cycle will start over…it sucks that this is how it has to be, but cash is king and Destiny is only relevant because it continues to make bank.
Forsaken only happened because players walked away, videos like this make the game worse. Cross, Patty, Nomad, have all made the game worse with this videos. We don't need 10 videos on how the game is somehow losing it's charm when it is on the player and not on Bungie. If you wanna raid, go find new friends in LFG, that one is way more on you lol
@@scarletnoct5807 the game losing its “charm” is on the player…you mean the game that is completely own and driven by Bungie…the same game where player have given constant and continuous feedback on how to improved the game only to have it fall on def ears of a developer that is content to squeeze the cash cow that is microtransactions?
You make it sound like all the players have their hands on the controls and are actively contributing to the state of this game. Blaming the player is a sure fire way to keep the game in its current state. How much is Bungie paying you scarlet…er shall I say “white knight”.
@@QuietDarkness27there's no way that Scarlet commenter is real. Blaming the players for Bungie's fustercluck of a game.. that's the hardest copium I've seen in a while
I think for me the thing thwt hooked me in d1 was the mystery and intrigue of what was out there...geting to the moon for the first time after playing the beta and not being able to go there was so much fun. I got a little of this feeling in d2 during forsaken but the seasonal model where everything is extremely formulaic and you know what your gonna get has absolutely killed any vibe i had for d2 😢
I think that’s one of the big factors that made me take a prolonged break the fact that actual bugs that hurt players don’t get fixed for days/weeks but the moment it benefits the players it’s fixed same day or next day I’m still gonna buy final shape since I’ve put to much time into the game to not play through the story but after that me and d2 are done
I think deep down we've always known this would happen, but then again how many years of great times have we had out of Destiny, when you really think about this its honestly amazing the game has lasted this long.
How i feel about the state of the game: I feel like i shouldn't keep all my eggs in one basket (destiny) because it feels like the rug is being slowly pulled out from underneath us:/
I've been hooked on destiny since Y1 destiny 2 and hooked on PVP since shadowkeep. And for the first time since i started, I feel like its time to add some more avenues for content/gaming because I don't know if Destiny is going to be around much longer in the broad sense.
Nice video! Great take and definitely understand your frustrations
i started playing d2 about 6 months before the release of beyond light. it was an incredibly appealing time sink for me as i was sick and unable to work, and it gave me an avenue to do something with my time that both was fun and involved other people. i played the hell out of it, playing and replaying story missions, exploring destinations, and eventually learning to run dungeons and raids. i made some of my best friends playing this game and the server we started around it quickly became one of our main hangout spots online.
all that said... i havent been able to make myself feel anything for the past two seasons. my only interaction with the game has been playing new campaign, raid, and dungeon content with my friends, and after i beat it for the first time i put it away until the next thing comes out.
i am not a game designer, but i feel very strongly that beyond light and everything released after it should have been a new game. destiny 3 would have given the devs the chance to craft a new engine, show some love to classic gamemodes, and introduce all of the new build-crafting systems in a less piece-wise way.
instead, weve gotten now three expansions that have only made the game show its age more and more, and made it more and more miserable to play. i think one of the reasons destiny is failing so hard right now is because it is *old.* it is old, its infrastructure is old, its code-base is held together by duct tape and everything they add breaks it a little more.
what this game needs more than anything, i believe, is a fresh start. if it doesnt get that, i personally dont see how bungie will ever manage to pull it out of this slump.
Aside from everything that was stated, an extra couple of cuts that made me finally quit was the combo of seasonal model fomo and steady ramping up of "pay more get less". I was pondering going over to Division 2 for looter itch, it's dirt cheap and still has some playerbase
Nah save yourself. Ubisoft is a horrible publisher and Division is quite bad IMO. Id rather go play Borderlands 3 than that and that game makes me want to claw my ears off due to the horrid story.
Jumping from one online only microtransaction ridden cancer to the other won't help.
Play other games, take a hard look at your backlog - everyone has one.
Breathe...quit the addiction and try to get out of the 100% online all the time world.
Borderlands 2 and all its DLCs are on sale for less than 20 dollars right now. Buy that and install some mods for it
@@officialromanhours Steam, Epic or other store?
Ty for the tip bro!
@@marcust478 Steam
I feel the same way. Pvp was what made me fall in love with D1. It was my first fps so I was horrible at pvp but I was having a blast. I could play for hours. I did my best to improve and met many of my friends by messaging the player who had just wiped the floor with me post game to ask if he would help me get better.
These days my friends list is almost empty when I log on. No one wants to play this mess they have turned pvp into but we all wish things could go back to at least 30th anniversary. The amount of decisions that have been made to screw over pvp in the past year alone are mind boggling.
I also strongly disagree with Gladd's view of the pvp community. Most are not asking for some ultra competitive game. We don't feel entitled to things Bungie never said but expect them to deliver on their promises. Granted, they keep failing to do so but that does not make hope = entitlement.
We also don't ask for anything that was never in the cards as he claims. We just want our fun pvp back. We had it before. We want it back. Simple.
pvp is a playlist activity, not the focus and never was
@@PaladinSalt nobody is saying that pvp should have more attention/focus than pve, but bungie should atleast deliver on the promises and expectations they set for the pvp side of things
@@channelhasbeensuspended3986 But they have? They nerf everything for the sake of pvp and are actively making exotics worse because of it.
@@PaladinSalt Ok, at this point I'll just disregard your opinion cause it's not aimed at a discussion but just spewing unfunded pvp hate imo. Bungie can balance pvp and pve separately and they have been able to do so for a while.
If something gets nerfed in pve it's because it's too strong in pve, not in pvp. If it's just too strong in pvp it'll stay that way for at least 6 months, probably longer before Bungie might get around to it.
@@PaladinSaltwhen did you start playing? I ask cause pvp had been just as important as it’s pve counterpart back in the day. They literally hosted multiple tournaments for destiny and even tried to push esports for it. I mean literally look at the way destiny 2 vanilla launched. Also majority of the time nearly half the player base online on steam, are in pvp. So how accurate is your statement really?
I've been playing Destiny 2 since its release when the only campaign was red war. I played every day for dozens of hours mostly. When the game came out I saw the potential in it for the future. More elaborate and more branching world events. Areas with interesting extraction activities where world pvp is allowed, kind of like darkzones in Division. Tuning sparrows and racing them. Sparrows with utilities and machine guns. Eventually space ship piloting and space dodge fights. That we'll see new tanks and armored vehicles and activities associated with them. World bosses with raid mechanics. Tribute halls came and I thought they were testing and eventually we'd get housing and guild halls. A lot of times I thought I had seen everything in the game only to then surprisingly be convinced otherwise and discover the secret dungeon whisper of the worm which was colossal, same case with Zero Hour. I went through Forsaken thinking that was it and was surprised again immediately afterwards when Dreaming City became available to me. An area bigger than Tangled shore full of secrets and content and I had absolutely no idea that this area was in the game.I saw the potential in all of this and expected that as time went on Destiny would build on this.
For these things until Shadowkeep came out I loved Destiny. However Shadowkeep came out, then Beyond Light, Witchqueen and Lightfall. There were seasons in between. And during this period when all we got every quarter of the year were activities where we collected motes and deposited them in a bank or lifted orbs from the ground to throw in the bank, and when the activities were basically the same thing only with a different soundtrack, dialogue over the walkie-talkie, and a different background, I naively waited and waited. Waited and kept convincing myself that I still loved the game. It was a nostalgia based on how this game once amazed me.
I had Lightfall pre-ordered. When it came out on the very first day I went through the first three missions. And that's where I ended up, and to this day I haven't played it. I'm definitely burnt out. Everything was the same thing over and over again for years. No innovation or experimentation. Shot 1000 dregs with a shotgun. Shot 1,000 guardians with a sidearm. And loot ....This constant chase for power level contributed a lot to my departure. I felt like I was in a casino.
Since February, I've given a game called Guild Wars a chance and I'm in love all over again. Huge events in the open world and actually almost all the content takes place in the open world. Content in instances is minimal. There is a big open world area where pvp battles for castles and territories take place and you fight many times 100 players against another 100. Getting amor with the best stats is a goal for years, but once you get that armor, you've accomplished that goal because that armor will remain relevant in ten years. Combat is satisfying and very action-packed. It's not like wow where you have 1,000,000 abilities on the screen. Basically, I found in guild wars everything I expected to eventually find in destiny. Mystery, inovations, exlporing, and minimal repetition.
i felt tears come to my eyes when i watched an evolution video for this game. destiny came out when i was 8 i think. when my dad saw the "Become Legend" trailer and immediately he got hooked. me and my dad always bonded over video games, but it wasn't until i was 12 when my dad let me play because he didn't want me to play violent video games at the time. until then i always watched him play some of my favorite video games today like the Arkham series, splinter cell, and halo. when destiny came out i instantly loved it! it was absolutely everything i looked for in a game and more. when i saw my dad playing it with his friends i always felt jealous that i couldn't play with him. it was like i was playing with them but not close enough. it took me two weeks to make a speech to get my dad to allow me to play eventually lol. ever since then it has been the best game i ever played. when i look at it now all i see is a failed game that gave me a full 9 years of great memories. now all i have to give me the nostalgic feeling is the original soundtrack. (journey (feat kronos quartet), and the crotas end song specifically) i miss the glory days of this game so much that if i could time travel that time/era of great video gaming. thanks bungie, but i can't belive i have to mourn you before you die. its like watching a person die from dementia because destiny has forgotten themselves almost entirely
I quit like a week or 2 into this season. I find it so fascinating it seems like the community at large is right there with me when it comes to apathy. As someone who played pve just so they could find their way back home to crucible with some new toys its tough. Holding out hope for ages that theyd pour love back into pvp like they promised. After years of hoping and buying in, and over a year of horrific pvp choices, my once favorite part of any video game, is now totally unplayable to me. From lag, map weighting, sbmm, the meta that arose from it all, ability spam, the cheesiest builds constantly, the rubber banding, us having less maps now than we did in forsaken, the only maps they added in years being disjunction and cathedral, 2 of the worst maps in destiny pvp history. Them making unbroken, one of the only coveted titles that actually had any value at all, completely worthless. The list goes on. After all that, we go from witch queen, an absolutely incredible campaign and expansion. Along with a year of amazing storytelling crescendoing in season of the seraph with reds sacrifice, to the longest wettest fart that was lightfall. It feels like they had grand ambitions there, and strand is fantastic, but that was about it. Neomuna is beautiful on the surface, but really fell flat for most people, it introduced maybe the shittiest written and most insufferable npc of destiny history, and dont even get me fucking started on the narrative in lighfall. Thank god it looks like the narrative team is getting their shit in order after the last 2 cutscenes of this season, but a couple cutscenes is far from enough to make me feel like its worth coming back. Never ever felt so defeated or apathetic about destiny in my years and thousands of hours playing. It sucks
As a PvE player, I still felt the echoes of PvP decisions by Bungie for the longest time as PVP buffs and nerfs to weapons and abilities ended up affecting them in the rest of the game.
Mistakes in PvP bled into the rest of the game more often negatively
@Warriorcat_UA-cam Yeah, that's just more fuck ups on bungies end. Everyone always wanted separate balancing for pve and pvp. It always feels terrible when something feels really good on one side of the game and gets universal nerfs cuz it's too hot on the other side. Hey, at least that state of the game put everybody's mind at ease about the future, right...
Gambit Prime was the best and I don't get why the Tangled Shore and Dreaming City maps aren't back in the game. Annoys me how nearly everyone calls it a failed experiment. Dude, I loved it, got me loving the game, still worth.
PVP is definitely something that needs work, but in my eyes the biggest thing was the shift to seasonal content. Every season for years has been launching an activity when the season starts, then pulling it when the season wraps up, just to replace it with either a new activity or even the exact same one, just in a different spot with similar enemies.
With Destiny 1, every update was pushing the base game ahead, and while some spots were getting left behind, a lot of times we were engaging with the same activities and playlists and Bungie would only add more to these activities. From day 1 to the end, we farmed nightfall, strikes, pvp, and raids, and maybe some daily/weekly missions. The activities we already had were only getting updated with more content, and over time we had a lot to play with no matter what you chose. Especially at the end of Destiny 1 when the year 1 raids and activities were refreshed, it felt like every activity in the game was fresh with content with a mix of old and new and could only be made with years of fine tuning. FF14 for example, also proves that iterating on all the content already in the game creates a better gaming experience for all levels.
Destiny 2 does not have this because all of the effort that would go into fine tuning everything already in the game is instead being pulled to the seasonal activity and new locations while we ditch the old ones. Nothing is being improved, but rather we are stuck in a cycle of playing the same game with one shiny thing every few months that goes away almost instantly. I had no problem playing Destiny 1 through its entire lifespan, while I have never been hooked on Destiny 2 in the same way. It's always to play the game for a few weeks in a burst to see what's new, mostly grind levels, then drop the game for another year.
Always loved your content PC - totally agree with everything you’ve said here and I feel the same. Been enjoying other games recently but will come back for new season / final shape. Mostly a PvP player but SBMM and the current meta has made that less fun.
In terms of content - I’ll always watch d2 pvp videos, also love to hear your thoughts on what’s happened as well as gamplay / weapon reviews etc. I would also be interested in other fps pvp games - I had a great time with the xdefiant beta and I’m hoping some of my favourite d2 creators cover that game too!
Keep up the great work KC!
the fact that destiny has basically devolved over time breaks my heart, I have always been in love with this game, first at a young age I watched my brother play, and I was enraptured, as I got older I thought on it, and finally got the game for myself, just as I was years ago, I loved it; the gunplay, the abilities, the mechanics. Destiny is a game I have absolutely adored for years, but seeing the state the game is in right now makes me incredibly sad
Here’s hoping for the best at the August showcase. Bungie seriously needs to announce bombshells. Like not just stuff that was promised. Stuff that will get people in the game asap. We can’t keep doing the same thing with the content every year. The final shape and beyond needs to stand out or people will leave and most already have.
You've all been doing the same thing for years already. I'm amazed how long you've held out!
Man, I don’t give a sh** what happens at that showcase. Nothing is bringing me back to this game. Been hurt too many times
They’ll say what you want to hear to get your $100 (which you’ll pay bc you’ll fall for it again) and never act on any of it.
@@Dismayy I already told myself I’m more than likely stoping after the final shape unless crash giant humongous changes happen.
Your pvp theorycraft and strategy really helped me get better. Thank you.
Played on and off for a really long time, since 2014 and just enjoy playing when I can and appreciate all the innovations to the game as well as the new weapons. Never minded the grind, just enjoyed playing with the clan and doing challenging activities. I have a few friends I play with one night a week...kind of like poker night, but we catch up and just do whatever in Destiny....honestly we all enjoyed the fishing. I think the long breaks allow me to really appreciate it when I come back. Your videos on strategy, practice, and finding your rhythm have always been very entertaining and informative. I am sorry you feel this way as well as other content creators, but have noticed many of them stepping away not just in Destiny, but other content completely. You are coming up on 10 years of playing the same game. I hope to play with you or against you someday, it would be an honor and imagine if you critiqued the individual performances of other guardians showing weakness and triumphs. Just a thought. Best to you in the future whatever you choose to do. I look forward to your next video.
The core game modes/ritual playlist has been ignored and barely bandaided for too long. If the common community sentiment is that fashion is the real end game then the core game is lacking
Destiny isn’t the game I fell in love with anymore
Hey pattycakes, thank you for the time you have invested. Every once in a while I would go back and watch some of your pvp teaching videos to realign my positioning and peak shooting or sniping. Although Im not playing the game right bc of its current state. I appreciate the videos you did make and your whole chill demeanor.
Pointed comments from the channel I've looked to most during my foray into Destiny and FPS in general. The "how to live longer and shoot better" basics videos you produced have turned FPS from a genre I groaned at and endured to have something in common with my kids to something I enjoy and try to improve. I hope if the light fades, you'll find something that keeps the content and sharing your knowledge and experience enjoyable.
I quit Destiny after Lightfall entirely; but in reality I checked out years ago. That apathy you're talking about here really set in for me even at D2's launch and cemented it self with Curse of Osiris. I loved D1, and when I tell friends about how many hours I had played they are in genuine disbelief.
This franchise, despite only having 2 games has had so many highs, but so many low lows that I couldn't continue. I sincerely want the best for it, and I hope for those of you that still play that it does bounce back and reaches the heights I always hoped it would.
I don't have any content I'd like to see from you because the chances that I even install destiny again are slim to none, but I really enjoyed those couple years that I was hooked on Destiny, and watching your videos through that time. I already paid hundreds of dollars for the game, and after I switched to PC and found out I had to pay for everything again I was basically just done with the game I was already starting to dread playing. Destiny 2 PVP was perhaps the best competitive shooter experience I ever had, but where once I thought pvp was great and a few minor tweaks would make it "perfect," all I can think the last few times I got on was how much fun I wasn't having by not playing almost anything else.
I hope you keep making content, whether it's destiny or otherwise, and I hope there's something you end up making that I end up having a reason to start watching.
I still think it would be really awesome if I saw a video from you that said "DESTINY 2 PVP IS BACK" but at this point I really doubt it will happen. If it does, though, I can guarantee you I'll be back too.
Well worded & as always presented well Patty, I'd say most feel the same just burnt out & sure hype will pick up as mentioned in Aug but kind of ready for the game to finish & if they choose move on to D3
yeah ive had issues with game for a while, so im glad to see someone covering it!!
It makes me sad that i have been playing this game since I was 5 in the beta with me sharing my xbox with my dad but now we both have little interest in playing this game but your videos help me come back to this game when you upload.
I started having issues with my PC last year and started logging in less and less after years and thousands of hours put into the game. My PC finally died during the last weeks of Season of Plunder. It was honestly the best thing that could've happened to me. I was upset at first since I have no budget to build a new PC, but I got over it and just felt liberated. Lots of grass has been touched since then. I usually check in with content creators like yourself to see how the game is doing, but it's clear to me I have no desire to go back, and from what I see that probably won't change any time soon.
Wow. I haven't logged on in a few months, and just seeing that little clip of the Destiny 1 opening cinematic made the nostalgia all come back. I can't believe playing that first mission was almost a decade ago. I miss prime Destiny. I hope it comes back.
I am happy to see all the big Destiny content creators making these videos, Thank you! I think most of us have been so frustrated seeing Destiny fall apart the way it has recently. This has been my favorite game for years and i have now hung it up. I cannot play this game again without some serious changes. Not just some QOL changes. If the final shape is just more of the same ill have to sit it out and watch a streamer play the game. This is the first time i wont preorder an expansion and it bums me out a bit.
All the power to you pat, the constant pressure in doing something you don't even enjoy anymore is unhealthy and will just keep stressing you out.
Do what you enjoy the most and that will bring the best out of you and im sure no matter what game it's the videos will still bang
I feel the exact same way, I’ve been playing this game since the beginning and I loved it. it was so easy to get immersed into the world and play for hours, the game felt alive. Destiny was how I found some of my closest friends, I’d get on and see at least 2 of my friends ready to get in a voice chat and play destiny. but now it just feels empty, all my friends left the game and gameplay just feels like I’m doing the same thing I’ve been doing for years. Now I’m just watching the story through UA-cam, that’s pretty much the only thing im still looking forward to. I’d love nothing more then to relive the magic of playing the game at its best but it’s just not there and I don’t see it coming back.
One major thing you're not mentioning is the level and depth of builds in this game that are so much fun to play. It's a positive note but we've had 4 major subclass overhauls/additions that are such a core part of Destiny that has only gotten better and better with time. For me this is such a big part of the endgame in crucible and PVE, putting together a super fun build and then working to perfect it.
I've quietly enjoyed your content for several years now... I can't say I'll follow you to any game but you have a great voice and you are engaging I'm sure you can find a place in other environments.
I started playing Destiny 2 after it went free to play during the Shadowkeep season. I remember being amazed how incredible the game universe was and how strong the lore was. There were 3 campaigns in the F2P back then: the red war, the osiris one and the warmind one. It was incredible that I got over 10+ hrs of campaign content from a F2P game! Frankly, that's what got me invested in the Destiny 2 universe. I bought the shadowkeep and forsaken expansions and played though with my friends. I started watching Byf lore videos to know more about the universe.
I started playing PvP and really liked it. Crucible momentum was my fav. thing to do. I play mostly CSGO so a competitive shooting experience was something that attracted me. One think I really like about CS is not that some virtual character improves; its YOU who improve. I remember iron banner being my fav. thing to do in a season. Those free to play content was what actually got me to spend money in destiny 2 to buy the expansions and play it more. Its very sad to see that's not the case anymore. It seems like all bungie cares about now is to milk the game as much as possible before it dies. Evrything is being paywalled now. There is nothing now comparable to the free to play experience I had back then.
I stopped playing after beyond light. Sunsetting was a terrible thing to do imo. It completely made the time I invested in the game seem irrelevant. And I'm NOT going to grind back again. I hate grinding anything that only gives me smething virtual. If I'm going to grind a game, its going to be a game like counter-strike where the time invested would never feel like going to waste.
Somewhere in between their greed and priorities, Bungie lost the plot. The forgot what made destiny a great experience for old and new players alike. Destiny 2 is still my 2nd highest hrs played game in steam after CSGO (800 vs 5400 with 3rd highest maybe in 100s). A reasonable grind with satisfying and rewarding gameplay, like it was before might make me want to jump in back again. Sadly, I don't see that happening the direction Bungie is headed.
Me and my friends opened up destiny about 2 weeks ago, and as soon as we were grouped together in orbit, we talked about random stuff for about an hour before realising that we hadn't actually done anything and honestly didn't really want to either. We all felt drained and didn't have any drive to play at all, so we all went to play Deep Rock Galatic instead which we haven't played in months and we had an absolute blast, definitely going back to that more often over Destiny
Well said. This time does feel different. Didn’t even try for the new exotic which is unheard of from me. Friends can’t be bothered either to get it. Sincerely hope bungie can do something but it would take 10 new strikes/maps with specific loot and a full refresh to get people back like it used to be.
The last time I played consistently was during Beyond Light. All my friends said they were pre-ordering Lightfall, and even I felt like had an obligation to play, "of course I'm getting it". I'd had this feeling of pursuit rather than enjoyment since probably Forsaken, I ignored it and continued to play.But as I saw the trailer I realized what I'd been searching for, since that first contact with Destiny 1, had long since been lost.
oh the D1 VoG clip with Suros Regime...brings back fond memories
Destiny 2 used to be THE game I played with my friends over the years. Then they started dropping off one by one.
A handful in Beyond Light, a few more in Witch Queen, and Lightfall saw me finishing the story... then putting the game down myself.
This season I literally just picked it up twice: once to do the new dungeon with my OG fireteam (who are the only 2 left playing regularly), and one more time last week to do the entire seasonal story in one go.
Maybe I'll play next season. At this point I don't even know.
Thank you for making this video. I have been trying to find out why I don’t love the game anymore after playing since the beta and this video helped me understand.
As a PVE first player, running trials to get the sweet Egyptian themed gear was so fun back in D1.
Great Video ❤ thanks for taking a stand for the PvP community 🤝 I am going on a 1 month summer holiday to live a little 😅 hopefully there's some changes when I am back. Bungie will notice though, just like they noticed one Video I made a long time ago on the state of crucible. So keep standing up for us all! 😊 see you soon friend!
All the videos that content creators are putting out has been interesting to see and I really REALLY hope positive change happens. But in all honesty, from what I've seen in the realm of gaming, I don't really know what, if anything is really going to change. Destiny itself is still bring in absurd amounts of money, and with that whole 'don't over deliver' thing from that one GDC, is there really any hope of things getting better?
I agree, all of my buddies I've played with since D1 are falling off and I'm drifting away myself. Never thought it would happen
*Main PVE player*
Before it was to do the raid/strikes once a week with a full squad of friends, now it is to enter an lfg at the final boss and pray that you will win the weapon, it no longer makes sense to do the whole raid with random people and not win anything at the end.
Since Roots of Nightmare released, I've completed it every week on all three characters but never won the weapon, one chance a week to have to count on luck to win the exotic is just so bad... It doesn't matter how well you did in the raid, the damage you did, the skill for it, if you're an unlucky person like me, you'll never earn it...
I played destiny every day, but slowly I lost the will, if the goal of the raid is to win the exotic, it shouldn't take years to play to get a weapon, and when you get it *if you get it* it will already be nerfed to obsolete state.
If I could change the way to win the exotic raid guns, I would do the same as those in the vault but slight different!
You would have to complete the raid challenges and have a specific number of spoils, by completing all the challenges you could earn a coin from the raid to exchange for the weapon along with the spoils, this gives a motivation for the grind of it completing the activities/challenges, depending on luck it's a not consistent and very discouraging thing.
Don’t forget the FOMO of seasonal weapon crafting too. I have too much schoolwork to do to get all my guns crafted nowadays, so I just straight up do not get to do all the things I literally paid for with the ANNUAL PASS. It’s such bull crap to not have access to the content for a given year for the entire duration of the year.
Out of all the negative videos going around recently, it is this one that I can agree with 100%.
Weapons skills replaced by abilities, server issues, and the feeling that it is pointless to become more powerful because power is capped, and the rewards are not worth it anyway.
I saw the Lightfall trailers and said, " no I'm not buying this". And the same with the Deep.
Thanks Patty for highlighting the most glaringly obvious problems in the game, and proving to me that I'm not alone 👍
I’d love to see content from any game you’re passionate about! That’s what im here for!
This is such a relatable video. Thank you for posting this.
The only activities I really busy myself with in D2 are GM's and the occasional raid or dungeon since those are all intense and rewarding. There's not much else that I can do in the game since I don't enjoy PvP and Gambit is one of the experiences of all time no matter how I play it. But hey, I'm keeping myself entertained with other games like Armored Core and it's series since the 6th installment is coming out late August.
I'm a pvp main who's been constantly trying to get better and better. And it's just so hard to do that now for all the reasons you said. I've watched all the "here's the problem with d2 now" videos and finally I can say about this one that you've expressed every concern I have. Especially ways that pvp has been failing recently not just because of bad servers or execution errors- but because of decisions that were bad ideas to begin with. And I really hope someone at bungie is watching this and actually cares.
Bungie doesnt want to overdeliver on quality, their lack of community awareness is on another level
5:14 I want that map back so bad
Comparatively, I'm a newer fan of the game, starting in 2020 after the game became F2P on Steam. Season of Arrivals was where I really started playing, and it was genuinely what hooked me into the game. In the span of that season, I went from a new player to doing every single depreciating raid in the game at the time because my friends and I wanted to do them before they got vaulted. I got invested in the lore and characters and story and knew that this game was something truly special.
I played Beyond Light like it was a drug when it launched, day 1'ing DSC and eventually flawlessing it. Like you, I had so much enjoyment with it and I actually consider it to be a fantastic expansion (though a lot of that is probably bias talking). With Witch-Queen and crossplay, old friends that played D1 and D2 on console came back and we played together for months, raiding every week and having some of the most fun I've ever had in a game.
That's not to say that cracks hadn't started to show; at some point something shifted, and I noticed less and less of those friends playing the game while I kept going on. And then Lightfall launched, and it was like the thing finally broke entirely. Those friends who I played with, raided with, flawlessed and day 1'd content with decided that they just didn't want to play the game in the state it was in, and I agreed with them. For the first time, the game that I would sink hundreds of hours into just...didn't appeal to me anymore. Even the lore and story, the things I loved most about the game, didn't interest me. I started watching content creators and their recaps of the story instead, something I'd NEVER done before because I always wanted to experience it myself. Last season I only barely managed to hit rank 100 on the season pass, whereas previously I would have doubled or even tripled that.
I don't know if it's apathy, or disappointment with the direction the game is going, or frustration over the increasing monetary and time investment required without equal reward, or-more likely-all three, but... I just want to be able to play the game I fell in love with without it feeling like a second job. I want to be able to enjoy playing it with my friends again or even just on my own.
sorry for wall of text, I just wanted to put my thoughts out there
The amount of content creators slowly preparing us to leave destiny (jake, tdt, cross, fallout, etc) is really scary. I started playing just before witch queen dropped and I totally fell in love. destiny is my first and only fps but I'm really struggling to get into it right now. Glad to know I'm not the only one
MY third drop of the sniper was snapshot opening shot... I was like "wait, did I just win PvP? I guess I am done now"
Justin GDC 2022... his last game credits before joining Bungie was for a game called "The Saboteur" and that game failed so hard that the company that made it even shut down afterwards... this is the guy that was hired with high honors by Bungie (whoever takes the calls there) and got continuously promoted to the highest position inside the company
Haven't even gotten my battlepass over lvl 5 this season. So many things within the game that just make it not fun anymore, many you stated. The state of it has just made me go back to wow after 10 years & realize how much better of an mmo it is compared to where d2 is headed. The end of this story is giving me major game of thrones downfall vibes.
I think ive watched about a dozen of similar videos at this point and i ask myself why i keep watching them like a moth drawn to flame.
I think its some kind of subconscious effort to find SOMETHING, some little piece of insight, that makes me feel okay quitting this game. Ive been addicted to the feeling of destiny since D1 and i have taken plenty of breaks but never fully quit. But i think we are headed towards a gaming version of game of thrones. Everyone has been so hooked for so long that we are being taken for granted and, before long, all of us will actually move on and it will be too late to ever go back. Big sigh of sadness.
You nailed it with your takes in this vid. I remember where watching Trials gameplay and pvp was exciting and vibrant. Instead feels like more and more of core of Destiny in strikes, pvp and gambit have just gotten so stale and repetitive it hurts. Barely want to grind out for Pinnacles sometimes since have done activities to death. Here and there I have fun experimenting with a different build - Hunter - Strand spectre and Bombadiers but there are long spells of needing to use meta in order to not get crushed in pvp or in Deep Dives for example. Have so many weapons in loot pool and so many exotics but can't remember getting excited in ages. Now I look at stats and hope for 67 or up rolls on Exotics only to replace ones I already have. Breaking stuff down out of Postmaster is a mini-game in itself. I long for Bungie to make thrilling content that doesn't just feel like a short cutscene dripfed week to week or a radio message talking about action off camera. Anyway - here's hoping criticism reaches ears in a constructive way but since they get people's money even if they neglect important things we will have to wait and see.
I agree with everything ya said. I've been a Destiny player since D1 and have dedicated thousands of hours day by day to this game and loved so much of it, but I haven't played much of the game in the last couple weeks and it seems like I'm barely gonna be touching it until the final shape just to see how this journey ends. The state of the game, servers, pvp... it sucks, and I wish I didn't have to see this game I've loved for a decade die by a thousand cuts.
Only reason I still log on on resets, even if, is the eververse and the new quest with the exo fish
The maintenance times in Australia (where I am) is like 3 am so it’s fine for me
I am in the same boat as you with the feeling of regret when playing the game. As my dad bought the game for me and him to play after we loved the beta being that he came from halo. after me going from 7 to 16 years old playing this game I really hope this community reaction makes bungie change and not just leave us in the dust for their new games.
I miss the days of trying to improve in pvp, watching all your old videos on how to improve and applying them to my games it was such top tier content and made me such a good crucible player. Now it's just not worth the effort I have moved on to other games that respect my time, I'd love to see you apply those same kind of improvement videos etc to other games outside of destiny which I know is easier said than done when it comes to viewer counts and stuff. Hope whatever you decide to do is successful man I'll be there to watch whatever it is
I got into destiny around a year and a half ago, i played like crazy at first and loved it. I deep dived into the lore and basically know it all, i had moments where I stopped playing for like two weeks from time to time but i always came back, because of the world, the lore, the gameplay. But now, feels like its all going to shit, I wouldn't be suprised if the game has only a couple years left in its life before people just move on. Its worse for those whove been playing since the beginning, been there through every high and low only to have their dedication and support sorta just be throw away rn, feels bad, all their years of support cast aside like its nothing. Destiny feels a powerful fire, it bright and warm and draws in so many people, but over time due to neglect of the one who made it dies out and those stayed with it leave it in serch of new fires to keep them warm. (I don't comment in general so sorry if this isn't really easy to read or good in general, just wanted to get my thoughts and feelings out)
The amount of times I’ve booted up destiny looked at the loading screen and told my friends I’d rather play something else this season is astonishing, normally I’m always on but recently there’s just nothing keeping me invested right now
Yeah after 9 yrs I feel the same way you do about the game. I can only take D2 in small doses . I log on play pvp for about 2 hrs and than I log off . My desire to play this game has greatly diminished.
That opening sentence is so true!
Also 3:55 is so true… including 4:00 because so much was lost….
Pancakes i know you wont see this but i wanted to say thank you for the experience. You were the one that made me want to get into sniping. On ps4 with controller i have about a 75-85% accuracy with a 70% headshot ratio and i came to pc but never got as good. Im getting back into destiny now and plan to get back to that sniping percentage
It was really hard for me to put into words "the change" that happened with Beyond Light. It just changed the feel. We still got some banger content since then, absolutely. Glykon will forever be one of my favorite missions in all of Destiny. But something just switched, not just that PvE/P situation. The whole world and way how Bungo made stuff, it all got.. different. I am excited for Final Shape because of story conclusion but then it is either D3, or I will say my goodbyes and hopefully fall in love with Marathon. Extraction shooters are my jam so there´s hope at least for that.
I played a lot of PvP yesterday and the server seemed fine. I'm a returning player so I didn't know about the issues. But I didn't encounter any server problems
I would love to see some videos covering games like battlebit remastered and xdefiant. Maybe some analysis on the different design philosophies of these games compared to current destiny and other triple a shooters. I really dont know if bungie realizes that the train station they are running per that GDC presentation is staving off growing apathy and that not all engagement is good engagment at least in the long term. I would much rather be allowed to disengage and come back less frequently for meaningful content than continue to be strung along like this. Rant aside I know you will do well regardless of the path you choose to take. Ill be along for the ride. Thanks for all of the great content so far.
I remeber coming back in Dawn, I left post forsaken because I had no one to pkay with. I immediatly hit Comp to grind out Recluse and Lunas. I had goals I wanted to reach, I needed to get better to reach those goals. I busted ass, grinded comp. I saw myself gey better, started hitting headshots with snipers and learning how to position myself properly. I was so happy to watch my KD climb from a .4 to a 1.3.
I miss that feeling, everything just feels like cheese these days. Idk where this game is going anymore, I love it to death but I am worried that I wont recognize this game at all in a few years.
it’s crazy how far we’ve gone from the destiny we used to know, this is the game that got me into gaming, i remember watching every single one of your videos to get better in pvp, and i felt it happening! i could feel like i made a difference in games i was in and was consistently on the top of the leaderboard at the end of the game. it’s the first time i’ve felt accomplished in a game and loved it. but there was a huge shift after beyond light. i no longer feel the same feeling of achievement i used to in pvp, even when i make good plays it’s tainted by some horrible lag or ability that i had no way of avoiding ending my streak. my friends that don’t play pvp don’t get my frustration and some of them think i’m overreacting when i die in pvp to ability spam. but it’s just… not the same :((
Yeah bro. Trying your best to get better and then an Antaeus ward immortal Titan slides at you and you instantly die is frustrating.
Totally agree. It seems like the company people who had a real love for the game and vision for it left and those behind are just meh about their task of creating a game worth playing. Even the lore seems less inspired than ever. I really miss the Red War days - It seemed like the game really rocked then.
I personaly started losing touch after doing solo flawless prophecy. Nothing to do anymore.
That thumbnail too accurate
One of the points he made is exactly why I’m having trouble staying engaged lately. The whole “what’s the point of grinding” thing. Pretty much the entire time I’ve played destiny I would grind PVE for a good weapon to use in PVP because it might allow me to perform just a little better in PVP. Now that guns don’t really matter in PVP due to ability balance and pvp in general is having major and consistent server issues, for me, it truly is like what’s the point of grinding.
Speaking of the current lagging server epidemic in PVP, I have be banned multiple times for "leaving matches early". However I never left the matches willingly, I was constantly crashing to main menu and Bungie has to acknowledge this happens to their players
I started playing pvp again before wq, during 30th anniversary I found it super fun. The 3.0 subclass changes to solar (and the stupid hunter roll artifact mod) specifically were what made me quit despite that being my best season ever stats wise by far because using a primary against people who are good and constantly getting health back was super unfun
I want to get the Gambit shader (I think Jadesmith?) but after a lot of hours in it and doing bounties, maxing out per week, nothing seems to make it drop. It’s the only shader left that I really care about getting HOWEVER I don’t see a point in returning if I’m just gonna leave the game again anyways