J. R. R. Tolkien vs George R. R. Martin. Epic Rap Battles of History

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  • J. R. R. Tolkien vs George R. R. Martin. Epic Rap Battles of History
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  • @whatisupmyfellowamericans8808
    @whatisupmyfellowamericans8808 3 роки тому +12193

    0/10 not realistic
    IRL Tolkien would have created a new language specifically designed for rap and mastered it all within two minutes

    • @KZG.Silent_Scribe
      @KZG.Silent_Scribe 3 роки тому +289

      Dude I felt that so much 🤣

    • @QuintarFarenor
      @QuintarFarenor 3 роки тому +353

      I try to imagine how a language especially made for rapping would sound like. Would every word end the same way so it all would rhyme? I wonder.

    • @tiffanyl4829
      @tiffanyl4829 3 роки тому +75

      I don't normally say this as it is over-used but...Yaaaaaassss, queen!

    • @HarmonySword
      @HarmonySword 3 роки тому +282

      It would have been overkill. That's why Tolkien humored Martin by beating him in his own language.

    • @Alisibeth_Talia212
      @Alisibeth_Talia212 3 роки тому +150

      FELT THAT.
      He starts dissing him in Black Speech and Elvish.

  • @laurahersey4360
    @laurahersey4360 4 роки тому +13117

    Tolkien did all his work on a typewriter and still managed to complete his stories.

    • @generalawesome7279
      @generalawesome7279 4 роки тому +210

      But Martin is still alive which means he is still writing his books and can still complete them. These comments are gonna be invalid unless Martin dies without finishing.

    • @ioanaberbece1994
      @ioanaberbece1994 4 роки тому +93

      Oooooo, BURN!!! 😂😂😂👍

    • @LdyVder
      @LdyVder 4 роки тому +510

      @@generalawesome7279 Either Martin is a slow writer, has massive writer's block, or his editors have a lot of work, but it shouldn't take five years on average to release a book, especially one in a series of them. It can take that long to get the first book published, but it shouldn't take that long for the rest in the series.
      The Sookie Stackhouse books by Charlaine Harris was released on a yearly basis with 13 books total. Which were the basis for True Blood. Robert Jordan released 11 of the 14 Wheel of Time books in a 15 year span. Then dying and had enough notes for someone else to finish the series which included Jordan's epilogue in the last book of the series.
      I doubt Martin has that and I truly doubt the last two books in the series get published any time soon.

    • @godfreyofbouillon966
      @godfreyofbouillon966 4 роки тому +95

      Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth is a collection of stories and essays by J. R. R. Tolkien that were never completed during his lifetime, but were edited by his son Christopher Tolkien and published in 1980.
      What I am trying to say that stupid fanboys who have no idea what they are talking about is extremely cringy.

    • @fermintenava5911
      @fermintenava5911 4 роки тому +48

      Comparing them on that level is fruitless anyway, because Tolkien needed six years for the Lord of the Rings alone and a lifetime to edit the Silmarillon. The Hobbit and other smaller writings were only finished because he wrote them for special occasions and with lowered standards.

  • @EliteWarrior1026
    @EliteWarrior1026 Рік тому +6300

    When Tolkien says "You're a pirate! You even stole my R R!" he's actually making the Sign Language symbol for the letter R!

    • @rejvaik00
      @rejvaik00 Рік тому +93

      Yeah American sign language the British sign language for the letter R is different

    • @Abtron
      @Abtron Рік тому

      In my place it's slang for c*nt.

    • @NevTheDeranged
      @NevTheDeranged Рік тому +268

      but it's also kinda like a pirate hook, so... double meaning!

    • @Citadel_local
      @Citadel_local Рік тому +45

      @@NevTheDeranged That's what I thought it was.

    • @Laiser
      @Laiser Рік тому +51

      @@NevTheDeranged
      Man, even the visuals are deep. ERB is too good.

  • @robertjustice3814
    @robertjustice3814 Рік тому +6636

    Tolkien: “Brag all you like about your show, George
    But take this to heart.
    As a writer you got nothin’
    ‘Cause I FINISH WHAT I START!!”

    • @oscarsalazar5876
      @oscarsalazar5876 Рік тому +161

      Yes but unfortunately also, no. He die and his son finished many of his other books. So this wouldn't be accurate to Tolkien.

    • @bitterfox518
      @bitterfox518 Рік тому +415

      @@oscarsalazar5876, but he still managed to end the main story.

    • @spongeyspikes09
      @spongeyspikes09 Рік тому +317

      @@oscarsalazar5876 and considering the fact Martin refuses to let another writer end the books if he ever passes away
      It's plausible that he will NEVER finish his books

    • @Novictus
      @Novictus Рік тому +77

      @@spongeyspikes09 The man just really doesn't appreciate his fanbase.

    • @spongeyspikes09
      @spongeyspikes09 Рік тому +93

      @@Novictus at this point I would rather read fanfiction of his work knowing fanfic writers write faster and better than he will ever be
      And just to spite him

  • @robinalonso-desouza7245
    @robinalonso-desouza7245 4 роки тому +16331

    "My show's the hottest thing on HBO"
    Well. That didn't age well.

    • @jdbarr769
      @jdbarr769 4 роки тому +228

      When Arya nothing personal kid and subverted expectations; Wow, what a stinker!

    • @humanskinnergames4520
      @humanskinnergames4520 4 роки тому +58

      I swear I saw Scott gimple in the background behind the dragon like if u get the joke

    • @vampahh1171
      @vampahh1171 4 роки тому +41

      It's three years since this video came out...

    • @ouchiegiverjr
      @ouchiegiverjr 4 роки тому +15

      Dr Heaven MD yeah...sigh

    • @purity_2428
      @purity_2428 4 роки тому +15

      i mean it still is i am on season 2 its crazy

  • @alexguo5351
    @alexguo5351 8 років тому +12531

    that's what I'm Tolkien about

    • @stanmagnum1535
      @stanmagnum1535 8 років тому +151

      +Sam Wilson you dont know what you're Tolkein about

    • @legojackgaming
      @legojackgaming 8 років тому +143

      I'll be Tolkien about this battle for ages

    • @timmytohns5479
      @timmytohns5479 8 років тому +55

      +Sam Wilson Oh crap,Tolkien puns.

    • @MrUndersolo
      @MrUndersolo 8 років тому +15

      Damn, I wish I thought of that!

    • @MrUndersolo
      @MrUndersolo 8 років тому +48

      +timmy tohns Yeah, it can be Hobbit-forming.

  • @josephcoulter6954
    @josephcoulter6954 11 місяців тому +2900

    I love that it starts with Martin claiming the title of 'Lord', but Tolkien finishes with reminding Martin that even if he's a lord, Tolkien is still the king.

    • @dennisvondoom
      @dennisvondoom 9 місяців тому +4

      Lord and king are the same

    • @saadwani9175
      @saadwani9175 9 місяців тому +178

      ​@@dennisvondoomstudy a bit more

    • @Surno69
      @Surno69 9 місяців тому +95

      @@dennisvondoomnope, no they’re not

    • @RoninDave
      @RoninDave 9 місяців тому +34

      @@dennisvondoom maybe in your bizzaro world but not the real world

    • @drrockkso8882
      @drrockkso8882 8 місяців тому +62

      ​@dennisvondoom LOL no they absolutely are not. "Lord" is a title used by noblemen who have hereditary lands and/or titles but are not part the immediate royal family. Kings and princes use titles like "Your Highness", "Your Majesty", "Your Grace", etc

  • @eruditonaranja27
    @eruditonaranja27 Рік тому +1508

    Tolkien taking off the Ring of Power and appearing in the intro is so genius

    • @user-ww1tp7ls1v
      @user-ww1tp7ls1v 11 місяців тому +58

      and therefore saying he didn't need the ring of power to finish this battle.

    • @mr.elveaner9723
      @mr.elveaner9723 10 місяців тому +11

      @@user-ww1tp7ls1v He cannot use it, none of us can

    • @theenderdestruction2362
      @theenderdestruction2362 10 місяців тому +13

      ​@@mr.elveaner9723he can use it but I feel like that's mostly to do with his own power as the author dealing with the ring that or sauron actually respects him or fears him or both

    • @jdtesch86
      @jdtesch86 10 місяців тому +39

      holy crap i've watched this video actual dozens of times and only after reading this comment realized what was happening

    • @theenderdestruction2362
      @theenderdestruction2362 10 місяців тому +8

      @@jdtesch86 did you also how sauron was watching over the entire battle the entire time as well?

  • @dudleybalrog7348
    @dudleybalrog7348 8 років тому +12198

    This took until season 5 because Martin needed that long to write his verses.

    • @demetriusstone7791
      @demetriusstone7791 8 років тому +90

      Ha!

    • @exxocraft2216
      @exxocraft2216 8 років тому +26

      +Matt Crowell Roasted!

    • @AndrewCantley
      @AndrewCantley 8 років тому +25

      +Matt Crowell Haha this is brilliant

    • @kinglink9541
      @kinglink9541 8 років тому +13

      +patience 2277 So you are spam trolling an ERB video with anti-semitic nonsense? Really? Are you that pathetic?

    • @user-zk1ic1gb5i
      @user-zk1ic1gb5i 8 років тому +4

      +patience 2281 could you get any more random? So what if Jews hold a lot of power? would you be as alarmed as you are now if a follower of the Aesir , held a lot of power?

  • @leostav750
    @leostav750 3 роки тому +16424

    "Even the names of your characters suck"
    Bold words from someone who named a dragon "Drogon".

    • @Riri-oj1zs
      @Riri-oj1zs 3 роки тому +1332

      Against someone naming his dragons:
      Glaurung
      Smaug
      and....
      Ancalagon

    • @aceofspadesguy4913
      @aceofspadesguy4913 3 роки тому +345

      @@Riri-oj1zs Scatha

    • @SoulGizmo
      @SoulGizmo 3 роки тому +49

      Lmao

    • @litzzon1
      @litzzon1 3 роки тому +375

      Bold for someone, who called one of the main characters Sam...it feels somehow familiar

    • @vwgames49
      @vwgames49 3 роки тому +479

      Tolkien named a tree "Treebeard"

  • @michalsoukup1021
    @michalsoukup1021 9 місяців тому +355

    One thing I am sad they did not include is that Tolkien, having every excuse not to go to war again, being past draft age, and in reserve occupation, volunteered for frontline duty in WWII.

    • @KNJpd
      @KNJpd 2 місяці тому +41

      What a legend. Putting him up against Martin seems as insulting as putting Roosevelt against Trump/Clinton

    • @BogaSlawa
      @BogaSlawa День тому

      @@KNJpd Roosevelt was worse than either....he simply dressed and spoke better

  • @00_BRUHH
    @00_BRUHH Рік тому +667

    Considering Martin's actually a huge fan of Tolkien, i feel like he'd be honored to be insulted, fat shamed, and roasted by his idol

    • @shanedog007
      @shanedog007 7 місяців тому +20

      This is good stuff :)

    • @crows_are_superior4464
      @crows_are_superior4464 4 місяці тому +19

      Who wouldn’t be?

    • @rambleonwithrosie
      @rambleonwithrosie 4 місяці тому +49

      I don't think there's a nerd living who wouldn't be honored to receive a verbal beat down from Tolkien 😂

    • @AskarTheIt
      @AskarTheIt Місяць тому +5

      Is he really a fan?

    • @00_BRUHH
      @00_BRUHH Місяць тому +5

      @@AskarTheIt yes, he is. Martin based Game of thrones off of LOTR, and he even despises "Tolkien Imitators" who, in his words, sell "Degraded Goods" of Tolkien's work

  • @Shadowkirby14
    @Shadowkirby14 4 роки тому +10280

    Unlike George R.R. Martiin, Tolkien knows how this rap battle ends.

    • @therealwild1
      @therealwild1 3 роки тому +59

      Where is the lie?

    • @ethanh6370
      @ethanh6370 3 роки тому +84

      BURN

    • @maryw9320
      @maryw9320 3 роки тому +218

      At least Tolkien FINISHED his story!

    • @vinzcastro9304
      @vinzcastro9304 3 роки тому +39

      @@maryw9320 Tolkien wrote until death... Martin is still alive

    • @maryw9320
      @maryw9320 3 роки тому +71

      @@vinzcastro9304 True, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed he does finish the Ice and Fire series, but he's not exactly a spring chicken and there are still two books to go.

  • @user-oi6gr8xw9h
    @user-oi6gr8xw9h 4 роки тому +20185

    Tolkien could have rapped in multiple different languages- that he created

    • @Reven157
      @Reven157 4 роки тому +444

      English, Dutch, french, german, icelandic (for some reason) sindarin and probably more

    • @dekaw9138
      @dekaw9138 4 роки тому +592

      Raviv Amorij he means elvish and blackspeak

    • @zanewolfe9754
      @zanewolfe9754 4 роки тому +911

      @@dekaw9138 To be fair, Tolkien was also a linguistics specialist, being able to read, write, and speak multiple languages. However he ALSO created far more than just Elvish and Blackspeak. He has five or six languages to his name, each of which he created by using his knowledge of real languages.

    • @SuperPuzzler
      @SuperPuzzler 4 роки тому +259

      And still would've rapped rings around Martin, but this was the Rap to Rule Them All.

    • @user-vq6ik4kk1r
      @user-vq6ik4kk1r 4 роки тому +16

      Я Смерть I read your comment so wrong 🤦🏽‍♀️

  • @ethansexton2590
    @ethansexton2590 11 місяців тому +1216

    7 years later and this is still an absolute beat down by Tolkien

    • @kemp9842
      @kemp9842 8 місяців тому +49

      It's an even worse beatdown given just how poorly Martin's "hottest show on HBO" line aged.

    • @MphoLukoto-lx9jk
      @MphoLukoto-lx9jk 7 місяців тому +4

      ​@@kemp9842house of the dragon enters the chat

    • @kemp9842
      @kemp9842 7 місяців тому +19

      @@MphoLukoto-lx9jk Still doesn't erase just how badly Game of Thrones fumbled in the end goal.

    • @MphoLukoto-lx9jk
      @MphoLukoto-lx9jk 7 місяців тому +4

      @@kemp9842 "hottest show on HBO" line still stands though

    • @vylbird8014
      @vylbird8014 6 місяців тому +8

      And we're still waiting on Georgie-Boy to finish up his story.

  • @achintyarajimwale618
    @achintyarajimwale618 11 місяців тому +782

    The funny part is that after the first verse, Martin's lines all talked about Tolkien's works. Even in a rap battle, Martin could only talk about Tolkien's works and not his. That is the level Tolkien plays at.

    • @gregpeloquin6345
      @gregpeloquin6345 9 місяців тому +32

      He talked about his own too... about how he makes characters and then kills them...
      Granted, I agree Tolkien crushed here...but still that's not entirely accurate.

    • @dom1941
      @dom1941 7 місяців тому +13

      “I’ll cut you like my teeth on Beauty and the Beast”
      “My show’s the hottest thing on HBO”
      So what about these two lines?

    • @FilmyDost007
      @FilmyDost007 7 місяців тому +4

      A Song of Ice and Fire>>>Lotr

    • @kevinerives8975
      @kevinerives8975 6 місяців тому +3

      @@FilmyDost007 I know its sacrilege but I also like ASOIAF more that LOTR.

    • @HivefleetMagoladon
      @HivefleetMagoladon 6 місяців тому +19

      @@kevinerives8975 I think the biggest problem with LotR for a modern audience is that it's TOO influential. It's pretty much defined and shaped the genre of Fantasy since it was published, meaning that to a modern reader it seems cliché and stereotypical.

  • @MK-pt3iy
    @MK-pt3iy 4 роки тому +5005

    "One does not simply battle Tolkien."

    • @isdrakon9802
      @isdrakon9802 4 роки тому +48

      You are simply flattened like being run over by a stream roller

    • @potatoeater9499
      @potatoeater9499 4 роки тому +7

      Yes

    • @Maya-qt3bw
      @Maya-qt3bw 4 роки тому +16

      He shall be shattered by the comments of the fans

    • @sovereign4535
      @sovereign4535 4 роки тому +18

      He shall be ripped apart by elves,dwarves,hobbits and many more creatures before being trampled by armies and having his remains burnt until not even ashes remain

    • @wojciechkowalski8061
      @wojciechkowalski8061 4 роки тому +17

      Ah, yes. A famous words of Lord Eddard Stark.

  • @AtariDad
    @AtariDad 8 років тому +4004

    I'm not so sure about who won, but I do know who lost: Sean Bean.

    • @birdmn9930
      @birdmn9930 8 років тому +20

      Omfg xD

    • @pandazatthedisco
      @pandazatthedisco 8 років тому +28

      +Atari Dad HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, bless you man.

    • @TorqueBacklash
      @TorqueBacklash 8 років тому +13

      And now I'm sad

    • @SunniLeBoeuf
      @SunniLeBoeuf 8 років тому +1

      I cri

    • @ssjluxray7435
      @ssjluxray7435 8 років тому

      +Atari Dad just don't Robb hear that and you should be good, nope never mind. Uh make that the King in the North

  • @VampireFan-rf5kb
    @VampireFan-rf5kb Рік тому +556

    George R.R. Martin: Your hobbit hole heroes can't handle my throne!
    J.R.R. Tolkien: *Challenge accepted.*

    • @thatjeff7550
      @thatjeff7550 Рік тому +19

      Danny DeVito as JRRT: So that's when I started blastin'!

  • @Adashofhawtsauc3
    @Adashofhawtsauc3 Рік тому +3612

    “But news flash, THE GENRES CALLED FANTASY ITS MEANT TO BE UNREALISTIC YOU MYOPIC MANATEE” he’s got a point ngl
    Edit:this comment is a year old, I forgot about it until someone replied today, I’m genuinely surprised that it’s still going

    • @bananasmatter1321
      @bananasmatter1321 Рік тому +167

      Tolkien didn't believe this though. For him fantasy was as real as any other story. Read "On Fairy Stories" and you'll see.

    • @FirefulXD
      @FirefulXD Рік тому +47

      no that's actually not how fantasy works. you're thinking about fairy tales

    • @bananasmatter1321
      @bananasmatter1321 Рік тому +63

      @@FirefulXD fairy tales which are part of a people's mythology which is what fantasy was in the first place: a mythos for the English...

    • @FirefulXD
      @FirefulXD Рік тому +8

      @@bananasmatter1321 fantasy has very obviously evolved from fairy tales since then. sorry i was replying to the original comment/line, not your comment, which i agree with

    • @bananasmatter1321
      @bananasmatter1321 Рік тому +17

      @@FirefulXD just read "On Fairy Stories"

  • @steinistbaum2236
    @steinistbaum2236 4 роки тому +9732

    I was not expecting Martin to finish a rap battle, I thought he'd quit halfway through.

    • @bretsheeley4034
      @bretsheeley4034 4 роки тому +375

      My guess is that Martin started rapping for ERB Season 1 and promised 7 verses.

    • @kylexinye1990
      @kylexinye1990 4 роки тому +529

      For what it's worth, Martin clearly finishes some things. Like his meals.

    • @roseholegha4883
      @roseholegha4883 4 роки тому +126

      @@kylexinye1990 DAYUM

    • @LolLol-cg8en
      @LolLol-cg8en 4 роки тому +19

      I mean Tolkien wasn’t much better

    • @sr71silver
      @sr71silver 4 роки тому +171

      @@LolLol-cg8en at least Tolkien had the dignity to keep writing till he died.

  • @ftd888
    @ftd888 2 роки тому +7873

    “But you’ve got a hairy foot fetish, dog.”
    Bold words for someone who’s story starts and ends due to incest.

    • @lunaangeleclipse9745
      @lunaangeleclipse9745 2 роки тому +104

      lmao

    • @yunehversomi1458
      @yunehversomi1458 2 роки тому +299

      I think partly that’s inspired by history where nobles and royalty often kept it in the family and married each other. Because Martin does borrow a lot from history.

    • @theunholygamer6474
      @theunholygamer6474 2 роки тому +38

      I mean that's how it was back then lol u can't change history

    • @Deaglan753
      @Deaglan753 2 роки тому +54

      @@yunehversomi1458 not just that but there were also brothers and sisters from different Kingdoms and empire would marry heirs from another empire or kingdom, in which sometimes was one of there family members, a good example would be the Hapsburgs

    • @thossi09
      @thossi09 2 роки тому +63

      @@yunehversomi1458 For the most part , people (even royalty and nobles) avoided marrying their siblings.

  • @nightangelx1513
    @nightangelx1513 Рік тому +1006

    Love how Martin seems so agitated and he’s trying so hard. Yet Tolkien is just super calm like he’s speaking to a child.

    • @coop_dawg207gaming2
      @coop_dawg207gaming2 Рік тому +55

      Because he is

    • @laayiv9449
      @laayiv9449 Рік тому +50

      From memory, Tolkein genuinely did act like that.

    • @neonfroot
      @neonfroot 10 місяців тому +15

      tolkien is screaming here

    • @andytheawesome7592
      @andytheawesome7592 10 місяців тому +106

      ⁠@@laayiv9449In 1938, he was negotiating with a German publisher to get The Hobbit published there. It was about to happen, but when they asked him for proof of his Aryan ancestry, he backed out of the deal with the greatest of all possible roasts:
      “Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject - which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.”

    • @Tryo707
      @Tryo707 10 місяців тому +22

      ​@@andytheawesome7592Holy crap what a smackdown. What a damn boss.

  • @guy3557
    @guy3557 Рік тому +684

    Tolkien's ending verse references the three books in order:
    "You can't reach this fellow" (The Fellowship of the Ring)
    "Shit, I'm too Towering" (The Two Towers)
    "Every time I battle, it's return of the King." (The Return of the King)

    • @Suo_kongque
      @Suo_kongque Рік тому +30

      Actually, I’m pretty fellow, shit is close to fellow ship. So even closer

    • @rowdyreidgirl
      @rowdyreidgirl Рік тому

      Woo!!

    • @martavdz4972
      @martavdz4972 Рік тому +9

      And the second verse could be understood as "I´m Two-Towering", so it´s even more brilliant 🙂

    • @bonnecherie
      @bonnecherie 9 місяців тому +1

      All of his works got a mention, and I love how they incorporated them in.

  • @totalvoid6234
    @totalvoid6234 3 роки тому +10804

    "My show's the hottest thing on HBO!"
    Well THAT aged poorly.

    • @gustavogutierrez6568
      @gustavogutierrez6568 2 роки тому +95

      Indeed

    • @mohammedhamadeh4987
      @mohammedhamadeh4987 2 роки тому +186

      Don't worry, LOTR is following suit

    • @_Vaal_Hazak_
      @_Vaal_Hazak_ 2 роки тому +63

      It aged like milk lol

    • @imamfakhruddin1015
      @imamfakhruddin1015 2 роки тому +393

      @@mohammedhamadeh4987 Nah, no matter how the show's going to be is of no effect to the trilogy. They stand alone

    • @thefanwithoutaface8105
      @thefanwithoutaface8105 2 роки тому +398

      @@mohammedhamadeh4987 Hey the trilogy is frankly untouchable at this point. Those movies are so good people actually prefer to watch the extended editions. Which is insane to consider.

  • @jeper3460
    @jeper3460 3 роки тому +8159

    I just realized that Tolkien takes off the ring in the beginning, which is why he suddenly appears.

    • @DioStandsStill
      @DioStandsStill 3 роки тому +251

      I never realized it my brain must be playing with me!!!

    • @MrPrajitura
      @MrPrajitura 3 роки тому +136

      Shit, dude, MIND BLOWN

    • @eazy8579
      @eazy8579 3 роки тому +126

      Of course. He's the only being capable of handling its dark power

    • @stephiregaming7927
      @stephiregaming7927 3 роки тому +45

      Omg how did i not notice that?

    • @ysa2086
      @ysa2086 3 роки тому +30

      Holy sh*t bro I never realized that

  • @LoreleiSlayer
    @LoreleiSlayer Рік тому +356

    Martin: All your bad guys die and your good guys survive.
    Meanwhile Silmarillion: *+/- 150 named characters dead in just one book, mostly elves and humans of good side*
    Also Silmarillion: *Battle of unnumbered tears*
    Again Silmarillion: *Betrayals, fall of whole kingdoms of good side, Turin's life in torment and misery*
    Yeah... like hell they survive, Fatman.

    • @starrynight6268
      @starrynight6268 Рік тому +43

      Not mentioning those who died in The Hobbit and the LoTr Trilogy itself:
      Thorin
      Kill
      Fili
      Balín
      Ori
      Boromir
      Theoden
      Isildur
      Elendil
      Aragon and Arwen (After they ruled Gondor)

    • @jessicacaron5084
      @jessicacaron5084 Рік тому +15

      The funny thing is there is a character in ASOIAF named Beren Tallhart - but of course that's a character from the one story that ends well! (also you forgot the time where they kill seven named characters in one sentence and almost half of them are only mentioned in that one sentence)

    • @pietervanderveld3096
      @pietervanderveld3096 7 місяців тому +10

      As Tolkien said, both Jon Snow and Martin know nothing

    • @tubetorpedo
      @tubetorpedo 4 місяці тому +9

      Also survived is a relative term, not all losses are physical.
      E.g. Frodo who was practically main character of LotR never full recovered his journey and only Sam and maybe Gandalf even knew the totality of what he had sacrificed by being the Ring bearer. Because his deeds were not on battlefields he never even got any recognition back home, while he was the key character (among Sam) in good guys victory. Ending of LotR was quite sad (or bittersweet, depends) for that reason alone, all who did not die did not survive either.
      While Tolkiens mythological/fantastical history was quite "clean" (no sex, gore or muck), they still had quite a few levels behind them.
      Even Hobbit had it's bits of losses while it was done as kids book.

  • @rhyssdavidv.marasigan7469
    @rhyssdavidv.marasigan7469 Рік тому +288

    The fact im watching this 7 years later show how timeless ERB is

  • @CitizenKahne1992
    @CitizenKahne1992 3 роки тому +3650

    Martin: Fired shots.
    Tolkien: Launched tactical nuke.

    • @legomaster9190
      @legomaster9190 3 роки тому +37

      Yeap, basically that's what happened here! And I love it!!

    • @josephstalin364
      @josephstalin364 3 роки тому +56

      Moral of the story: Don’t mess with someone who cut their teeth in the trenches of the Somme

    • @code.6421
      @code.6421 3 роки тому +2

      30-0 on him🤣

    • @theftparrot5750
      @theftparrot5750 3 роки тому +25

      Martin: Brings a Light Machine Gun
      Tolkein: *AC130 ABOVE*

    • @nightfalls5462
      @nightfalls5462 3 роки тому +4

      he just vaporized him...

  • @RexTiredAF
    @RexTiredAF 4 роки тому +5918

    "You even stole my RR"
    Yep, Tolkien won this round.

    • @W123FOoL
      @W123FOoL 4 роки тому +21

      That did make me LOL!

    • @JigenLune
      @JigenLune 4 роки тому +84

      He was even gesturing the letter R in American Sign Language as he was saying that

    • @semv.e3885
      @semv.e3885 4 роки тому +87

      And he even said in the line before ‘you’re a pirate’ the proceeds to make the R’s sound like ‘argh argh’. The thought that goes into these lines still amazes me today

    • @pellejohansen
      @pellejohansen 4 роки тому +5

      What does RR mean?

    • @pyanbredersen1235
      @pyanbredersen1235 4 роки тому +5

      This RRound

  • @everlasting9292
    @everlasting9292 Рік тому +453

    Also, as someone who still sheds a tear over the ending over The Hobbit no matter how many times I read the book or watch any iteration of the movies, not all Tolkien’s good guys survive. 😭

    • @jgamer2228
      @jgamer2228 Рік тому +21

      Thorin deserved to be King under the Mountain if any dwarf did

    • @TheMacC117
      @TheMacC117 Рік тому +34

      Boromir over here sighing cause no one remembers him..

    • @tljsucks1166
      @tljsucks1166 Рік тому +4

      @@TheMacC117 If only Robert had gone hunting sober, wait no…

    • @PieBoy4242
      @PieBoy4242 Рік тому +32

      Don't forget Frodo. He may be alive, but he'll never be the same and he'll never be with his brothers again. It's one of the more poignant parts of the Lord of the Rings. Like veterans of WWI, some of the survivors never really came home.

    • @OshaVids
      @OshaVids Рік тому +3

      well with Thorin's death bed speech, how could you not?

  • @Craxin01
    @Craxin01 Рік тому +141

    I only recently learned George R.R. Martin was a writer and producer for the Ron Pearlman and Linda Hamilton show Beauty and the Beast, so I totally missed that lyric he said about cutting his teeth on Beauty and the Beast the first time watching.

    • @christianboehlefeld5168
      @christianboehlefeld5168 Рік тому +5

      Totally unrelated; R.L. Stine of Goosebumps fame was the head writer for a Nickelodeon children's show called Eureka's Castle, it was a puppet show and it was awesome.

  • @EJUNCO1
    @EJUNCO1 7 років тому +3407

    "every time I battle is the return of the king!"
    Tolkien is a fucking legend

    • @NoobMicesters
      @NoobMicesters 7 років тому +76

      "shit im two towering"

    • @MayoZrooski
      @MayoZrooski 7 років тому +10

      Battle this (F)ellow

    • @apollo8008
      @apollo8008 7 років тому +2

      Battle this fellow shit, get it. Alright.

    • @mf1520
      @mf1520 7 років тому +1

      #Rekt

    • @apollo8008
      @apollo8008 7 років тому +23

      J.R.R Toilet really ? Dude you're not even old enough to watch GoT.

  • @Holy98989898
    @Holy98989898 3 роки тому +6680

    FunFact. Sir Christopher Lee was the only one in the lord of the rings cast who met Tolkien IRL.

    • @elaineb7065
      @elaineb7065 3 роки тому +513

      And that must have been one epic meeting as they compared their world wars (Tolkien in the first, Lee in the second). Or maybe several...

    • @dmt_useless2254
      @dmt_useless2254 3 роки тому +332

      I know tolkien wanted him to play grndalf but he ended up playing saruman

    • @Solnoric
      @Solnoric 3 роки тому +236

      @@elaineb7065 more like it was maybe 90 seconds as tolkien said hello to a friend at the same table while Chris was locked up starstruck.
      According to christopher lee, at any rate.

    • @karol9205
      @karol9205 3 роки тому +75

      @@elaineb7065 tolkien and count dooku must look epic

    • @OMARG431
      @OMARG431 3 роки тому +20

      I-N R-E-A-L L-I-F-E. You're welcome

  • @theunknown7540
    @theunknown7540 Рік тому +117

    "You're a pirate you even stole my R.R."
    That line is underrated.

    • @Trucmuch
      @Trucmuch Рік тому +3

      Of all the lines, that's the one most praised in the comments. So, of course, it's "underrated" 🤦

    • @panda4247
      @panda4247 Місяць тому +1

      undeRRated?

  • @alexanderohnemus1545
    @alexanderohnemus1545 Рік тому +370

    Ironically, if the two actually met, based off interviews, I think they would get along.

    • @vylbird8014
      @vylbird8014 Рік тому +40

      And probably write a cookbook.

    • @martavdz4972
      @martavdz4972 Рік тому +110

      They would, but I think Tolkien would have some reservations about Martin´s books. Their values differ a lot.

    • @charlespayne2002
      @charlespayne2002 Рік тому +72

      I think Tolkien would be gracious. But I don't think they would "be friends". Just look at Tolkien's contemporaries. Lewis,Barfield,Williams, and Coghill among others. Not to mention the Oxford faculty. Martin just can't contend with that level of intellect. There are few who can.

    • @gensfleisch332
      @gensfleisch332 Рік тому +5

      Of course. GRRM loved Tolkiens books.

    • @davidsekhleyan693
      @davidsekhleyan693 11 місяців тому +16

      ​@@charlespayne2002 Martin is intelligent as well, he's just lazy.

  • @smiff9577
    @smiff9577 3 роки тому +5920

    “You’re a pirate. You even stole my R.R.”
    So much in such a little line.

    • @JuanHernandez-qj7uq
      @JuanHernandez-qj7uq 3 роки тому +186

      "All your bad guys die and your good guys survive"
      Thorin, Fili, Kili, and Boromir would like to have a word with you.

    • @genie153
      @genie153 3 роки тому +23

      Juan Hernandez you just took someone comment ironic

    • @smiff9577
      @smiff9577 3 роки тому +31

      @@JuanHernandez-qj7uq You’re the pirate!

    • @filon738
      @filon738 3 роки тому +4

      Nice reference

    • @Lord_Numpty
      @Lord_Numpty 3 роки тому +8

      @@JuanHernandez-qj7uq What of Theoden, as well as Hurin and his family?

  • @vylenkenree2776
    @vylenkenree2776 11 місяців тому +155

    i love this, but weirdly the one thing I'm really impressed about is how Peter managed to sell this old and fragile man with subtle body language. its really impressive

    • @drrockkso8882
      @drrockkso8882 8 місяців тому +8

      Peter is amazing at nailing the body language and mannerisms of every character he plays.

    • @mithrasabyss2765
      @mithrasabyss2765 Місяць тому +2

      Tbh Tolkien was actually pretty fit even late in life.. IMO Martin is a lot less fit than Tolkien was at a similar age

  • @idkijustexist8558
    @idkijustexist8558 Рік тому +201

    what i love about this battle is that even if tolkein won by a mile, its not because the other side was weak, it was because tolkein is that kind of figure thats just untouchable in the literary world. yet regardless of that, martin’s disses and their delivery was brilliant and he would probably win if he was scaled up against any modern author. it kinda makes me glad when erb puts so much effort even into the losing side, you can really see this rap battle has their heart and soul put into it just from the amount of references, flow, acting and editing.

    • @deanooooooo6496
      @deanooooooo6496 2 місяці тому +2

      The guys who made this video had too much respect for Tolkien, which is earned, he was from a different time where literary pursuits where more earned and part of everyday. There was no internet or easy research for Tolkien his amusement and entertainment would have been his writing and telling stories to others.

    • @crabbieappleton
      @crabbieappleton Місяць тому

      Against any modern author? Yeah, no.

  • @timjefferson8076
    @timjefferson8076 2 роки тому +27395

    Why did they not mention the fact that Tolkien accomplished something that Martin probably never will: FINISHED THE STORY.

    • @snurdburglar6854
      @snurdburglar6854 2 роки тому +404

      this was years ago bruh

    • @edwardhardwick2180
      @edwardhardwick2180 2 роки тому +1998

      Not quite. Tolkien never finished the Silmarillion, as it was published after his death by his son Christopher Tolkien, who edited together the various tales his father had written into a cohesive whole. However, Tolkien does have an excuse for this as unlike Martin, Tolkien wasn't a full time author as he had a full time job as a professor of lingustics at Oxford University. He didn't write these books because it was his job or to make money, he wrote them because it damn well pleased him to do so.

    • @Kyuuketsuki47
      @Kyuuketsuki47 2 роки тому +1152

      @@edwardhardwick2180 What does the Silmarillion have to do with anything? JRR Tolkien wrote two stories and finished them. The Hobbit and LotR. So what if he failed to finish his third? GRRM has 1 story, which has been going since 1991. It took Tolkien 12 years to write LotR, and like you said, he had a full time profession ON TOP of that. Heck, its been a decade since the last ASOIF novel.

    • @samhowes4738
      @samhowes4738 2 роки тому +1028

      @@edwardhardwick2180 the thing is Tolkien couldn’t finish the Silmarillion because he died. Martin just isn’t writing his books

    • @theteutonking3306
      @theteutonking3306 2 роки тому +717

      @@edwardhardwick2180 also the fact that well, _Tolkien fucking died_

  • @blessedstuff4309
    @blessedstuff4309 3 роки тому +3529

    When you realize both authors killed off sean bean in the first

    • @vyktorehon5995
      @vyktorehon5995 3 роки тому +36

      HAHA

    • @RachelG1979
      @RachelG1979 3 роки тому +188

      Yeah yeah yeah killing Sean Bean is tight.

    • @leadnitrate2194
      @leadnitrate2194 3 роки тому +154

      @@RachelG1979 it's super easy, barely an inconvenience

    • @waywardgoddess7219
      @waywardgoddess7219 3 роки тому +57

      When you're type cast as......the dead guy 😂😂😂😂

    • @RachelG1979
      @RachelG1979 3 роки тому +38

      @@waywardgoddess7219 wow wow wow wow

  • @michaelkruk
    @michaelkruk Рік тому +675

    Petition for C S Lewis vs J K Rowling rap battle.
    They both have 7 books and are known for their fantastic books of fantasy

    • @everythingmustgo4478
      @everythingmustgo4478 Рік тому +99

      jk would instantly lose 💀

    • @michaelkruk
      @michaelkruk Рік тому +59

      @@everythingmustgo4478 that’s the point

    • @princessarwen9194
      @princessarwen9194 Рік тому +33

      Jk Rowling is a writer not an author whereas CS Lewis is an amazing author. Rowling isn’t original so that’s an automatic loss. 😂

    • @phoenixmastrogiovanni157
      @phoenixmastrogiovanni157 Рік тому

      jk is a garbage author

    • @VanessaMagick
      @VanessaMagick Рік тому +14

      Considering they didn't even touch Rowling going off the complete deep end in the Potter/Skywalker battle, I don't think they would want that

  • @deelaw.
    @deelaw. Рік тому +91

    “Every time I battle it’s the return of the king” that’s a dope line

    • @martavdz4972
      @martavdz4972 Рік тому +9

      You can´t reach this FELLOW, I´m too TOWERING (or Two Towering...?) and every time I battle it´s the RETURN OF THE KING" they managed to slip in all the books in the right order

  • @llywyllngryffyn8053
    @llywyllngryffyn8053 5 років тому +13264

    Tolkien won but now, looking back he wins for a second reason: He actually finished his books.

    • @AaronGanaron
      @AaronGanaron 5 років тому +205

      Yeah, I was surprised that wasn't a line in there somewhere. Maybe Tolkien didn't want to sink that low
      Edit: I forgot that, yes, he hadn't finished. I'd been thinking of the main series, forgetting the Silmarrilion was part of it

    • @Laksujaakso
      @Laksujaakso 5 років тому +244

      Well... actually quite many of his stories were finished and published after his death by his son Christopher.

    • @melkorlapich802
      @melkorlapich802 5 років тому +112

      Janne Laakso most of my favorites are the ones published posthumously but more or less he finished them, he just considered that despite being what most would be fine with publishing wasn’t up to snuff for him, had a high standard for himself

    • @SwaggerNauts365
      @SwaggerNauts365 5 років тому +14

      Janne Laakso
      Cuz he died.

    • @SpokaneSurvivor
      @SpokaneSurvivor 5 років тому

      For real tho

  • @lawrencemichael5571
    @lawrencemichael5571 3 роки тому +3265

    "I'm number 1 and 2, you're under fifty shades of Grey"
    * *MARTIN BEING DESTROYED* *

    • @floatingblaze8405
      @floatingblaze8405 3 роки тому +40

      Extramely underrated bar, this was absolute fire!

    • @ThemeParkAvenue
      @ThemeParkAvenue 3 роки тому +14

      That was my favorite line, especially since Martin was holding a giant copy of Fellowship of the Ring.

    • @sougotokiwa8439
      @sougotokiwa8439 3 роки тому +6

      And Daenerys gets destroyed every night...
      🤣

    • @SCP_Wandsman13_13
      @SCP_Wandsman13_13 3 роки тому +8

      I thought killing a radroach in Fallout 4 was easy. This is even easier and more entertaining.

    • @irrelevant_noob
      @irrelevant_noob 3 роки тому

      Lawrence Michael -DESTORYED-
      Thanks for editing that. :-)

  • @kitsunedude
    @kitsunedude 10 місяців тому +28

    The "I cut my teeth in the Somme while you LARPED your Santa Clause ass through through Vietnam" is colder than anything else dropped

  • @mr.goliathssmallshow6772
    @mr.goliathssmallshow6772 Рік тому +81

    The raps are genuinely amazing in this one, but I only just noticed the incorporation of Immigrant Song's beat at the mention of Led Zeppelin (2:07). Genuinely amazes me how even after years there are tiny details I'm still noticing in these things, especially such creative stuff like that. Truly goes to show how much these guys have cared since day 1.

    • @loganmott2015
      @loganmott2015 9 місяців тому

      Listen to The Battle of Evermore. They literally say “and Gollum’s and the Evil One swept up and slipped away with her” meaning the ring (I think). They were hardcore Tolkien fans. One was into the occult too but let’s speak of those two in the same comment.

    • @drrockkso8882
      @drrockkso8882 8 місяців тому +3

      ​​@@loganmott2015The lyric you're referring to is actually from "Ramble On", but "The Battle of Evermore" also directly references stuff from LotR including ringwraiths. Zep were massive Tolkein fans.

  • @ikemeitz5287
    @ikemeitz5287 8 років тому +862

    Tolkien slaughtered him.

  • @stevenbyford5615
    @stevenbyford5615 2 роки тому +9072

    "In book sales, you've got nothing to say
    I'm number one and two
    You're under Fifty Shades of Grey"
    There are no words to describe how savage that was.

    • @Maninawig
      @Maninawig 2 роки тому +427

      Especially right after George said "you need more sex in your books"

    • @Duckledore
      @Duckledore 2 роки тому +393

      "That wound will never fully heal. He will carry it the rest of his life."

    • @iceman4208
      @iceman4208 2 роки тому +11

      Extremely

    • @Cl0ckcl0ck
      @Cl0ckcl0ck 2 роки тому +86

      'You myopic manatee' comes pretty close.

    • @grentahhh1781
      @grentahhh1781 2 роки тому +24

      Emotional Damage

  • @the_devils_jester
    @the_devils_jester 8 місяців тому +11

    "I'm number 1 and 2, you're under 50 shades of grey" has to be one of the best insults i've ever heard.

    • @zxylo786
      @zxylo786 7 місяців тому

      GoT isn't under 50 Shades of Gray

    • @the_devils_jester
      @the_devils_jester 7 місяців тому

      @@zxylo786 Have ypu ever heard about books, good sir? They are like shows but you only get the script and have to play it in your head. J. R. R. Tolkien and George R. R. Martin have published those and that's what the Sentence was about.

    • @zxylo786
      @zxylo786 7 місяців тому

      @the_devils_jester GoT sold more books that 50 shades. GOt has sold 90 million. Not even close

    • @the_devils_jester
      @the_devils_jester 7 місяців тому

      @@zxylo786 Last time i looked it up it was the other way round

    • @the_devils_jester
      @the_devils_jester 7 місяців тому

      @@zxylo786 i looked it up Asoiaf sold 90 million copies and 50 shades 100 million.

  • @Tuima11
    @Tuima11 4 роки тому +5015

    As Pratchett said of fantasy writers: "We are all standing on Mount Tolkien."

    • @BloodyBay
      @BloodyBay 4 роки тому +336

      Even a magnificent and monumental writer like Terry Pratchett must pay homage to the One True King (though Pratchett being a humble, down-to-earth man despite all his fame helped). We all must. And not just authors and readers; we tabletop gamers must pay homage to Tolkien, too. WIthout Dungeons & Dragons, there would never have been any World of Darkness, any Shadowrun, any Harnworld, any Palladium, any Hackmaster, any Bunnies & Burrows or any other tabletop roleplaying games. And without Tolkien's works, there would never have been any Dungeons & Dragons.

    • @Slawterer098
      @Slawterer098 4 роки тому +261

      Incorrect
      qoute as follows: "J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints. Sometimes it’s big and up close. Sometimes it’s a shape on the horizon. Sometimes it’s not there at all, which means that the artist either has made a deliberate decision against the mountain, which is interesting in itself, or is in fact standing on Mt. Fuji."

    • @poshboy4749
      @poshboy4749 4 роки тому +114

      @Warlok Seriously you're suggesting the Conan the Barbarian is better than Tolkien? I mean it's Conan the Barbarian that argument defeats itself.

    • @ikpts
      @ikpts 4 роки тому +16

      @Warlok Its also hard to ignore the similarities between Tolkein's Lord of the Rings and Wagner's 'Ring Cycle' opera series. People who act like Tolkein invented something have never dug any deeper.

    • @stepanvenclik6374
      @stepanvenclik6374 4 роки тому +103

      @@ikpts Right. It is also hard to avoid noticing similarities between Wagner (or Tolkien in that matter) and Scandinavian mythology.
      Both Tolkien and Wagner based their stories in it, and none of them tried to hide that.
      You could dismiss almost all modern writing as based on something older.
      But that is not the point, is it.
      Adoption of themes is not neccesirly wrong. It matters HOW it is done.
      Tolkien has IMHO succeeded in making Fantasy mainstream. His creativity was expressed in inventing complex world with thorough history and FREAKING custom languages.

  • @mikeycityify
    @mikeycityify 3 роки тому +4841

    “You’re a pirate! You even stole my R R”. That’s respectively deep.

    • @Kaydee815
      @Kaydee815 3 роки тому +86

      Esp with the ASL sign for R.

    • @raymondsison9186
      @raymondsison9186 3 роки тому +6

      Had me chucklin' 😂

    • @AndreBarnett
      @AndreBarnett 3 роки тому +10

      @@Kaydee815 Damn thanks for that

    • @sehbaanabbasi
      @sehbaanabbasi 3 роки тому +32

      and the ending " everytime I battle it's return of the king " Martin just got owned

    • @tankythemagnorite9855
      @tankythemagnorite9855 3 роки тому +27

      And he stole the name Drogo from Tolkien. It's Frodo's father.

  • @michaelamaya9032
    @michaelamaya9032 10 місяців тому +13

    "We all know the world of fun of chance and anarchy. So yes it's true to life, bit news flash, IT'S CALLED FANTASY."
    A quote that Hollywood really needs to hear more of nowadays.

  • @Alue14
    @Alue14 6 місяців тому +22

    Gotta say, the bar 'I cut my teeth in the trenches of the Somme, you LARP'ed your Santa Claus Ass through Vietnam!' is still the most epic bar in this entire series, according to me...

  • @corblimey8147
    @corblimey8147 4 роки тому +4299

    I feel dumb. I just realized that when he said "You're a pirate. You even stole my R.R." He holds up his fingers like a pirate hook but also the letter R in sign language. A really nice touch

    • @joefraney9827
      @joefraney9827 3 роки тому +97

      you never know it could be a reference to what he studied at Oxford University(Linguistics)

    • @colechandwel9550
      @colechandwel9550 3 роки тому +183

      And don't forget pirates say "ARRR"... it works on many levels.

    • @Pipecleaner_enthusiasts_2004
      @Pipecleaner_enthusiasts_2004 3 роки тому +2

      Lol

    • @akaneh1989
      @akaneh1989 3 роки тому +10

      @@colechandwel9550 I believe that could be why it became the letter's symbol in sign language

    • @tadaotakumi9852
      @tadaotakumi9852 3 роки тому +12

      Well, unless you've learnt about sign language, you wouldn't caught up to that. And even then, he did say "you're a pirate", so your mind would totally think of that sign as a hook right away.

  • @MDMetal
    @MDMetal 4 роки тому +5098

    "All your good guys survive."
    Boromir: "Am I a joke to you?"

    • @goncalomonteiro8395
      @goncalomonteiro8395 4 роки тому +217

      two words: Sean Bean

    • @BuckingBadger
      @BuckingBadger 4 роки тому +263

      Even George stole Sean Bean from J.R.R

    • @hitandruncommentor
      @hitandruncommentor 4 роки тому +68

      umm, yes Boromir, the memes have made you immortal.

    • @ranger3576
      @ranger3576 4 роки тому +20

      Don’t forget Gandalf

    • @Sauric121
      @Sauric121 4 роки тому +55

      @Cyborg1337 The whole point of Boromir is that he's not just a good guy, he's the best guy. Well....second best guy. Because the point of Aragorn is that he's the best guy. The movies left a lot out, but in the books Aragorn and Legolas sing a song about how awesome Boromir was right after he died. :p

  • @utubefuku7132
    @utubefuku7132 Рік тому +38

    "You're a pirate Martin, you even stole my R.R."
    Truer words have never been said.

  • @ScourgeGhost13
    @ScourgeGhost13 Рік тому +50

    “Cause there’s a new literary lord in the ring” is an underrated line

  • @VPSantiago
    @VPSantiago 3 роки тому +5796

    Tolkien absolutely obliterated Martin. "got my children making millions off my Silmarillions" - Perfection

    • @TheMeta141
      @TheMeta141 2 роки тому +237

      what's even funnier is The Silmarrilion isn't actually a book, it's a bunch of random things Tolkien wrote that his son cobbled together into a somewhat coherent book

    • @JM-ch4mo
      @JM-ch4mo 2 роки тому +196

      It should have been Martin vs Rawling, with Tolkien coming in at the end to school both of them.

    • @crucif0x
      @crucif0x 2 роки тому +49

      @@TheMeta141 "somewhat coherent" is a very kind way of putting it. Every time I pick it up I get a headache

    • @esh529
      @esh529 2 роки тому +23

      That line actually aged well… as long as the Amazon series kills it lol

    • @Q1nt0
      @Q1nt0 2 роки тому +3

      @@JM-ch4mo maybe after the LOTR series we can see something like that

  • @kenyam1843
    @kenyam1843 7 років тому +2577

    TOLKIEN DESTROYED IT!

    • @michaeliliev6282
      @michaeliliev6282 7 років тому +6

      yass

    • @star2playsstarcraft219
      @star2playsstarcraft219 7 років тому +1

      Hinata yaaaaaaas!

    • @gooseymcfloozey944
      @gooseymcfloozey944 7 років тому +31

      especially with the line about how he almost died in wwi and martin didnt do crap in vietnam

    • @cholten99
      @cholten99 7 років тому +8

      It wasn't until I rewatched it (again) that I realised how much Tolkien crushed it!

    • @SovereignStatesman
      @SovereignStatesman 7 років тому +15

      It wasn't until I WATCHED GAME OF THRONES that I realized how much Tolkien crushed it!
      Seriously, that's like an R-rated medieval soap-opera, and somehow we're supposed to care about LITERAL kings fighting for power on another planet, while LotR is just modern symbolism in a pre-Ancient genre.
      ATTENTION NOOBS: THANK YOU FOR NOT SPOUTING OFF

  • @Dutchofclass
    @Dutchofclass 11 місяців тому +40

    'all your bad guys die and you good guys survive' Boromir would like to have a word with you George

    • @djokealtena2538
      @djokealtena2538 9 місяців тому +4

      And if you've read The Silmarillion and the Hobbit quite a few heroes more

    • @connorbosley4431
      @connorbosley4431 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@@djokealtena2538basically everyone in the silmarillion except the valar, elrond, and cirdan.

    • @djokealtena2538
      @djokealtena2538 9 місяців тому +1

      @@connorbosley4431 ssshhh don't spoil it for em.

    • @tubetorpedo
      @tubetorpedo 3 місяці тому

      Even LotR has several good guys who do not survive, add Hobbit and Silmarillion on top of that then plenty of good heroes who gets killed. So that line was not especially accurate.
      While interactions in general might not be as Machiavellian as Martin's works, Tolkien did not spare his characters either especially earlier times before Sauron's return to power has goodies taking plenty of beatings at various points. Writing style is quite different but being on a good side on Tolkien's stories does not mean you survive.

  • @randompeople9021
    @randompeople9021 Рік тому +324

    Tolkien made his own universe in his writing, giving stories and life to everything he could. His writing is believable. The movies based on his books are great.
    Martin, in comparison, wrote a good book series, and had an ok series that was made off it, and granted, there is a new one now, but can it beat the movies or books of Tolkien?
    Now, both authors are great, but Martin cant really compete with Tolkien. Tolkien went out of his way, writing an entire language for one of the races in his books. Martin just wanted to keep people interested in his books by creating a congestion of suspension and tension.

    • @FirefulXD
      @FirefulXD Рік тому +6

      well judging by rop vs hotd, clearly martin took that one

    • @IXtremchiller
      @IXtremchiller Рік тому +30

      one language for one race? spoiler warning: the languages were the point to Tolkien, all the stories, rich history and nations were just set dressing to be able to invent more languages

    • @rullvard8245
      @rullvard8245 Рік тому +22

      The World of Ice and Fire is, in my opinion, more interesting. Still though, Tolkien's world is also great. Both great, but both write differently, with one trying bigger and more "realistic" world which is grey, compared to the "smaller" one which has more fantastical elements and is more black and white. And of course, they have the Lord of the Rings movies, which didn't really suck.

    • @NotAGoodUsername360
      @NotAGoodUsername360 Рік тому +21

      They had completely different goals and aspirations when it came to fantasy. Tolkien took a more God-like perspective, more interested in building an idyllic world with pure, noble battles between good and evil, striving towards a noble purpose. George meanwhile takes more of a historian's perspective, where Machiavellianism reigns supreme and tragedy ensues- not because evil is wrong, necessarily, but because it is tactically stupid.

    • @bradenmerriman5206
      @bradenmerriman5206 Рік тому

      I would say the series had a great first half, and a second half that destroyed it.

  • @thomasbarbosa625
    @thomasbarbosa625 3 роки тому +2902

    “All your bad guys die and your good guys survive”
    Boromir, Theoden, Thorin, Fíli and Kíli: crying in the corner

    • @tulipalll
      @tulipalll 3 роки тому +261

      The silmarillion kills off EVERYone

    • @basariyaaciz
      @basariyaaciz 3 роки тому +97

      Fingolfin...

    • @Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer
      @Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer 3 роки тому +136

      Nevermind all of numenor and half of middle earth

    • @loskar9085
      @loskar9085 3 роки тому +8

      @@Venator-Class_Star_Destroyer Pretty much AHAHAHAHA.

    • @juanjosefreijedo774
      @juanjosefreijedo774 3 роки тому +85

      Dont even mention the characters that died in other books where they are not MCs. Balin in Moria.

  • @Splooie128
    @Splooie128 5 років тому +4287

    Tolkien died like 45 years ago but he's still puttin out material. Where you at, George?

    • @sunbro6998
      @sunbro6998 5 років тому +56

      ouch.

    • @thepunkerlive9949
      @thepunkerlive9949 5 років тому +52

      2 years Beren and luthien & Fall of gondolin. 2017 and 2018... Soon his grandson will probably take over to keep delivering new materials.

    • @bigred5125
      @bigred5125 5 років тому +10

      He's put out 3 GoT books since a Dance with Dragons. He's putting out works, just not the ones many people want.

    • @wizardpig02_81
      @wizardpig02_81 5 років тому

      Randy Bowlin Ouch

    • @hewhoplugwalks
      @hewhoplugwalks 5 років тому +39

      @@ruairiodonohoe2533 Indeed he did. The Battle of the Somme during the First World War.

  • @laxbros62
    @laxbros62 Рік тому +130

    Tolkien's last verse is top 10 bars all time

  • @utubefuku7132
    @utubefuku7132 Рік тому +71

    It's so absolutely untrue that all of Tolkien's good guys "always survive". In the movies themselves we have Boromir, Theoden and Denethor that died. In The Hobbit, half of the dwarves (main characters) die, including Thorin Oakenshield, basically THE MOST important character of the story along with Bilbo. And in the Silmarillion, not only do TONS of main characters die all the time - like Feanor, Fingolfin and countless others - but there's also fratricide wars and countless betrayals, wars between elves and dwarves and even elves with each other.
    The difference is just that the shitshow that is ASoIF kills characters for mere shock value, which is why this thing will die out while LotR will be eternal

    • @dabestestgoblin8495
      @dabestestgoblin8495 Рік тому +6

      There is even incest in the Silmarillion lmao

    • @icecell
      @icecell Рік тому +15

      The Silm was brutal, man. And he even had deaths in the book meant for _children_ . People who keep saying Tolkien's just generic goody fantasy never read his work.

    • @utubefuku7132
      @utubefuku7132 11 місяців тому +7

      @@PotterMarauder
      If you dont think that Denethor was good it's probably because you havent read the book. He was in fact an awesome leader for Gondor, and yes he was flawed, which actually makes him a better character, not worse. His wife died during child labor when Faramir was born, which is why he is so cold with Faramir, but in the end he realized how much he loved his son. He also endured a battle of will with Sauron himself, by using constantly the Palantir to know about Sauron's plans, so he was actually a badass, and with that he held Mordor at bay for several decades. This however would end up costing him his mental endurance, after decades of battling will with Sauron over the Palantir, Denethor become more and more desperate, until finally during the battle for Minas Tirith he lost all hope and came to believe that the world of men was doomed.
      Denethor was actually a good man and a good ruler, a flawed man but still a good person nonetheless, and his story is a tragedy, much more than just simply a moustache swirling villain getting his well deserved fate like how it was portrayed in the movies. Heck, the story of his entire family is a sad tragedy - he loses his wife, and Boromir and Faramir lose their mother, and in the end, Faramir also loses his brother and his father. Good thing that at least Faramir found Eomer and some peace in his life at the end, a well deserving end for someone that endured so much suffering.
      Alas, poor Denethor. He was only human.

    • @acr7780
      @acr7780 9 місяців тому +3

      How does Asoiaf kill for shock value? The deaths are foreshadowed. The characters make multiple poor decisions leading upto and causing their deaths and the deaths are built off of to further serve the plot in an interesting way. Think Ned, Robb and Jon Snow.
      Also calling asoiaf a shitshow? One of the most famous modern fantasies? I know myself and lots of others prefer asoiaf to LOTR. The characters are more interesting, compelling, flawed, human and relatable. The characters are really the heart of the story after all, and I can't think of any in lotr that come close to the likes of Jaime, Tyrion, Theon etc. Not to mention I also much prefer the story and pacing of asoiaf. It's complex and epic, involving so many fantastic characters across many different locations.
      Lotr is pretty clear cut and simple in comparison. It's also the simple good vs evil, with the characters being good or evil. I realise that was the intended purpose but its not hard to imagine others prefer asoiaf for that reason. That's what it comes down to in the end: personal preference. And to act like one is objectively better than the other is stupid. They are both very different stories intended to accomplish different things. Asoiaf is almost a twisted version of lotr. But honestly asoiaf was a page turner for me whilst lotr was dull and boring. I kept getting put off whilst reading them. To each their own

    • @wooter558
      @wooter558 4 місяці тому

      @@acr7780bro keep preaching all these lord of the rings lovers here can’t take this lol

  • @Scoot694
    @Scoot694 5 років тому +7152

    If this was made during GoT season 8...
    Tolkien: “I’m about to end this man’s whole career.”

    • @thedrno4901
      @thedrno4901 5 років тому +44

      And the Machine like lord of the rings ended any better, with its fifteen endings like he said we don’t need a back story on every fucking tree branch

    • @IC79
      @IC79 5 років тому +207

      The Dr No nah RotK ended in a more satisfying way. Fuck GoT for that ending. Seriously.

    • @spikeneo6580
      @spikeneo6580 5 років тому +179

      lotr was a masterpiece, from the very beggining till the last scene.

    • @thedrno4901
      @thedrno4901 5 років тому +12

      LordGigaIce fuck LotR for its 20 endings see we can all do that , should have just had the eagles show up and put crowns on heads oh they only came out when the write put himself in a corner and oh know the boss dies guess we a independent thinking beings should all just fall down even though we have them outnumbered 20 to one, more walking in that movie than the 5 years of forest gump running I laugh on

    • @jamespatterson6138
      @jamespatterson6138 5 років тому +54

      @@thedrno4901 it's fantasy bud

  • @rhysoverbeck5251
    @rhysoverbeck5251 3 роки тому +5643

    “All your bad guys die and you good guys survive”
    Everyone who read the silmarillion:
    *allow us to introduce ourselves*

    • @Riri-oj1zs
      @Riri-oj1zs 3 роки тому +198

      Yeah. Lol. Almost everyone in that book died. 🤣

    • @lucypanteli6895
      @lucypanteli6895 3 роки тому +221

      @@Riri-oj1zs Turin and co., Beren and Dior with his twins, Basically almost the entire line of Finwe, a whole freaking continent:. AM I A JOKE TO YOU 😂

    • @Riri-oj1zs
      @Riri-oj1zs 3 роки тому +153

      @@lucypanteli6895 🤣
      Tolkien was killing the most important characters in his book! How many did GRRM kill? Tolkien killed the entire race of Numenorians! Except for what, a family (Elendil, etc.)? Lol.

    • @gonzalovq2488
      @gonzalovq2488 3 роки тому +148

      GRRM is an amateur. Im still criying the death of Fingolfin and Finrod

    • @Alisibeth_Talia212
      @Alisibeth_Talia212 3 роки тому +8

      YUP

  • @matthicksxx
    @matthicksxx 11 місяців тому +27

    So many great costumes/characters in this one. It’s so admirable that they put so much effort into the background characters who only appear for a few seconds. Tremendous job from the costume and makeup departments

  • @ValeBridges
    @ValeBridges Рік тому +9

    The "too Towering" and "return of the King" lines are brilliant, but the first time I listened I missed the one which was between two lines, "you can't reach this *fellow, shit* I'm too Towering" as in Fellowship

  • @christianconrad242
    @christianconrad242 2 роки тому +9499

    I really love the fact that Tolkien wrote one of the greatest literary franchises of all time because he created a new language and wanted an excuse to use it.

    • @Talinrogue
      @Talinrogue 2 роки тому +660

      not just one new language.but many languages for elves, the ents, dark speech, dwarvish and many more.

    • @hailtothevic
      @hailtothevic 2 роки тому +753

      Languages. Plural. Nobody in history has or ever will be as extra as Tolkien

    • @hunter30432
      @hunter30432 2 роки тому +83

      It’s actually kind of par for the course for new languages to be created. You can pay people to do that nowadays.

    • @christianconrad242
      @christianconrad242 2 роки тому +248

      @@hunter30432 It is now. But, I don't think that was the case in the 1950s.

    • @hailtothevic
      @hailtothevic 2 роки тому +266

      @@hunter30432 JRR walked so other fantasy writers could run!

  • @comettamer
    @comettamer 3 роки тому +9259

    Love how Martin was amazing, but Tolkien STILL slaughtered him. This is without doubt, one of the best ERBs of all time.

    • @jkdubya85
      @jkdubya85 3 роки тому +81

      Every couple of months this one seems to appear on my feed, and every time it does I watch it.

    • @thekodex1186
      @thekodex1186 3 роки тому +10

      Agreed

    • @ThemeParkAvenue
      @ThemeParkAvenue 3 роки тому +24

      I've never read any of their books or seen any of their media, but I still agree that this is one of the best.

    • @FantasticExplorers
      @FantasticExplorers 3 роки тому +14

      ...or one could say: One for the ages!

    • @Ered15.
      @Ered15. 3 роки тому +4

      It honestly was.

  • @ENTProductions
    @ENTProductions Місяць тому +2

    GRRM: "All your bad guys die and your good guys survive."
    Sean Bean: *tears*

  • @telmonk003
    @telmonk003 9 місяців тому +16

    Tolkien still releasing books beyond the grave like a G.

    • @dragonlord4194
      @dragonlord4194 2 місяці тому +1

      It's wonderful, that Christopher Tolkien picked up the work of his father and treated it with the same respeact as J.R.R. Tolkien gave to his world.

    • @TighelanderII
      @TighelanderII Місяць тому

      Like Tupac and Hendricks.

  • @retsenretp5078
    @retsenretp5078 4 роки тому +4642

    "Good guys survive"
    Boromir crying in the corner.

    • @caitlinconsolver7827
      @caitlinconsolver7827 4 роки тому +275

      RETSENRET :P lets not forget Theoden, Kili, Fili and Thorin!

    • @mordraug
      @mordraug 4 роки тому +186

      And those like 50 characters in Silmarillion :D

    • @viperswhip
      @viperswhip 4 роки тому +128

      @@mordraug 50, I am going to count the thousands, tens of thousands of Elves who just fought the good fight but died in the process.

    • @filmandfirearms
      @filmandfirearms 4 роки тому +26

      Boromir was pretty grey, really. He got his redemption at the end, though, but he did some bad shit

    • @viperswhip
      @viperswhip 4 роки тому +60

      @@filmandfirearms He was a champion before the Ring but desperate, so desperate to save his land that for just a few minutes he was overcome. Grey? I guess, that's fine Davos :)

  • @jackfroste
    @jackfroste 4 роки тому +6142

    Tolkien's Lord of the Rings at one point, was the number 2 most read book in the English language, 2nd only to the Bible.

    • @RightTurnClyde
      @RightTurnClyde 4 роки тому +121

      And McDonald's is the most popular restaurant on earth. That hardly means it's the best.

    • @jackfroste
      @jackfroste 4 роки тому +188

      @@RightTurnClyde That's a good point. So we all have begun to realize that McDonalds food is bad for you and their reputation will continue to sink until the corporation goes broke some day. In the same way, you seem to be implying that Tolkien is only relevant and popular now, but one day, the world will wise up and realize his writing was trash while Martin's work will gain popularity? I guess it is possible, though not likely in my opinion.

    • @angrywada8147
      @angrywada8147 4 роки тому +109

      @@jackfroste no dude i think he was taking a hit on the bible

    • @jackfroste
      @jackfroste 4 роки тому +35

      @@angrywada8147 Ah, okay. I get it now. thanks.

    • @angrywada8147
      @angrywada8147 4 роки тому +63

      @@jackfroste I'm trying to be unbiased but as a Christian it really did anger me but *deep breath* tHATS OK

  • @lydiajane9102
    @lydiajane9102 3 місяці тому +5

    “CS, Lewis and I were just discussing, how you and Jon Snow, both know nothing” -
    A masterpiece line

  • @eddysegafan6655
    @eddysegafan6655 Рік тому +25

    Watching this again i missed how funny the "sends a raven to say hi to your toes" was lol

  • @LiamMHennessey
    @LiamMHennessey 8 років тому +897

    Tolkien schooled the shit out of his ass

  • @thedukeofchutney468
    @thedukeofchutney468 2 роки тому +15437

    The fact that Tolkien was able to casually reference being a friend to CS Lewis and an inspiration to Led Zeppelin in one paragraph automatically gives him the win in my book.

    • @Losrandir
      @Losrandir 2 роки тому +274

      Yes, even CS Lewis owns this hack so he just hastily mentions it

    • @Fukei_Mono
      @Fukei_Mono 2 роки тому +96

      Wait, CS Lewis isn't someone from the 17th century or smth?! My life was a lie.

    • @carolrondou6161
      @carolrondou6161 2 роки тому

      @@Fukei_Mono Turkish Delite is a lie.

    • @canwegetashoutouttoworking2002
      @canwegetashoutouttoworking2002 2 роки тому +198

      @@Fukei_Mono If memory serves right, I remember him mentioning WW2 in the second chronicle.

    • @roaringthunder115
      @roaringthunder115 2 роки тому +7

      True

  • @PalleRasmussen
    @PalleRasmussen 9 місяців тому +13

    Back to say, there are university professors, lecturers, and all sorts of other people making a living studying Tolkien's work to this day and many years into the future.
    How many will do that with Martin?

    • @yeetusdeletus2681
      @yeetusdeletus2681 9 місяців тому +3

      His work is still getting published today unlike old man Martin who doesn’t know how to publish a book in a reasonable time frame

  • @charlie_bear2011
    @charlie_bear2011 Місяць тому +4

    Funnily enough, LOTR by Peter Jackson, is probably what blew the door open to fantasy being more mainstream, and allowing us nerds to occasionally not be bullied as much

  • @ShyyGaladriel
    @ShyyGaladriel 2 роки тому +5395

    The hook he made with his two fingers in “you even stole my RR” was the American Sign Language for the letter R.

  • @destinytroll1374
    @destinytroll1374 2 роки тому +5808

    "Lewis and I were just discussing"
    That's such a powerful boast that the Battle can end there

    • @tkraid2575
      @tkraid2575 2 роки тому +214

      Yeah. C.S. Lewis, another notable thinker, a logician, who wrote Alice in Wonderland. A subtle way of saying George isn't in their level 😆

    • @iancalhoun7644
      @iancalhoun7644 2 роки тому +657

      @@tkraid2575 that's Lewis Caroll, CS Lewis wrote Narnia.

    • @Briman13
      @Briman13 2 роки тому +67

      lmfao C.S Lewis was a chud who rewrote the bible in 7 books. As someone who read through chronicles of Narnia, Martin could literally wipe his ass with the chronicles of Narnia. "eVeRyoNe DiEs AnD AsLaN iS jEsUs" is 9000 times worse than anything D.B Weiss and David Benioff could ever write, as INTERPRETERS of George R.R Martin.

    • @Briman13
      @Briman13 2 роки тому +77

      "Aslan is Jesus" is so much worse than "dany forgot about the iron fleet"

    • @user-mx4is4fx3c
      @user-mx4is4fx3c 2 роки тому +22

      @@Briman13 finally someone who sees how frustrating his ending for Narnia was

  • @TitusCastiglione1503
    @TitusCastiglione1503 5 місяців тому +12

    Watching George R.R. Martin get trounced by Tolkien will never cease to put a smile on my face.

  • @NerosCinema
    @NerosCinema Рік тому +5

    "Every time I battle it's return of the king".... how do you possibly top that as a closer

  • @DreadnoughtDT
    @DreadnoughtDT 8 років тому +537

    Tolkien wrecked Martin. Sorry but that's a fact.

    • @censorduck
      @censorduck 8 років тому +9

      I think the led zeppelin line was the killer.

    • @karateman1988
      @karateman1988 8 років тому +1

      +Censor Duck not to sound like a fuckin idiot but i didnt get it. i feel like i should seeing as i grew up listening to led zeppelin

    • @TheWorstWolf
      @TheWorstWolf 8 років тому +4

      +The Feral Dragon They referenced LotR shit in a lot of their songs, but most famously is Ramble On

    • @jeanstutz3883
      @jeanstutz3883 8 років тому

      hell yeah

    • @wiseoldblackman5257
      @wiseoldblackman5257 8 років тому +1

      Tolkien. you da real king

  • @nameyourchannel838
    @nameyourchannel838 4 роки тому +4734

    Here to honor J. R. R.'s son. His son Christopher J. R. Tolkien is the person we need to thank for compiling J. R. R.'s unfinished works so that we could read them

    • @jamescannon7935
      @jamescannon7935 4 роки тому +59

      R.I.P

    • @novacaesar9303
      @novacaesar9303 4 роки тому +19

      F

    • @NotTheAbhi
      @NotTheAbhi 4 роки тому +115

      Worry not for Christopher is with his father in the Undying Lands

    • @dlxmarks
      @dlxmarks 4 роки тому +153

      Christopher spent years sorting and organizing the mountain of his father's manuscripts. The amount of effort it took to decipher the often faint and illegible handwriting alone is deeply impressive.

    • @littleredbook2009
      @littleredbook2009 4 роки тому +20

      Thx Christopher Tolkien. God speed.

  • @jaymelton2663
    @jaymelton2663 2 місяці тому +3

    This reminds me of a very heated argument I had with one of my professors in college (crappy college, but still) - this was the early 90's, and I maintained that Tolkien should be considered one of the greats, and he just absolutely shit on that idea. He just would not hear any argument that his works were worthy because they were fantasy, in his mind might has well had been comic books. Here we are, thirty years later, and I'm pretty sure I was right.

  • @TheOrian34
    @TheOrian34 6 місяців тому +21

    The end with Tolkien referencing each book in order was way too strong.
    I wonder what George would say if he saw that.

  • @sir_will_iam
    @sir_will_iam 7 років тому +830

    You're a pirate, even stole my R.R. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @DragonLover
      @DragonLover 7 років тому +23

      Apply cool water to the burned area

    • @kyleshepard3139
      @kyleshepard3139 7 років тому +10

      call the fire department and bust out the Aloe Vera, 'cause this nigga just got BURNED!

    • @johndmgs
      @johndmgs 7 років тому +24

      +Krimson What I love about that part is how Tolkien 'signs' the letter R, which in sign language, looks like a pirate hook.

    • @timvandooren
      @timvandooren 7 років тому +21

      It's also "Arr". Like pirates

    • @DOUMA_theblacksuns
      @DOUMA_theblacksuns 7 років тому

      fucking savage

  • @kingkj35
    @kingkj35 7 років тому +567

    Tolkien wins because he's fucking Tolkien.

    • @zackosborn1731
      @zackosborn1731 7 років тому +44

      He got Led Zeppelin to back him up for the finish, no contest.

    • @chadthundercock4982
      @chadthundercock4982 7 років тому +21

      I don't know what your Tolkien about.

    • @chadthundercock4982
      @chadthundercock4982 7 років тому +2

      I meant to say "You're".

    • @kingkj35
      @kingkj35 7 років тому +2

      Dammit I love puns. You Voxle, are a funny human

    • @chadthundercock4982
      @chadthundercock4982 7 років тому

      Libertarian Progressive Do I win an Internet Cookie?

  • @shadowmare97
    @shadowmare97 3 місяці тому +3

    "All your bad guys die and your good guys survive, we can tell what's gonna happen by page and age 5!"
    *Boromir and Theoden* "Are we jokes to You?"

  • @Sarc37
    @Sarc37 8 місяців тому +3

    I like that Martin is playing Zork on the computer instead of writing his book.

  • @Shiverwar
    @Shiverwar 3 роки тому +3584

    The best part of this battle is Martin wasn't even bad. He came in hot against Tolkien.
    It's just a shame for him that Tolkien is nigh untouchable. No question, Tolkien dominated him.

    • @davel7791
      @davel7791 3 роки тому +157

      I'll give Tolkien the victory, but I think GRRM did great. His "even the names of your characters suck" followed by "tea baggins my nuts" cracks me up every time.

    • @Shiverwar
      @Shiverwar 3 роки тому +149

      @@davel7791 Yeah, like, Martin came in real hot in the battle, and he had some wonderful lines, but Tolkien just outclassed him in every way regardless.

    • @reduande
      @reduande 3 роки тому +103

      Have to borrow a quote... Martin did great job, but there is no shame to lose against the best.

    • @jacksonsteele2807
      @jacksonsteele2807 3 роки тому +39

      He was just.... too towering

    • @megahobbit5972
      @megahobbit5972 3 роки тому +39

      I was pleasantly surprised when this first came out and appretiated more and more over time with how many more of the lines i realized i well researched
      Tolkiens lines are flat out Brutal compared to Martin
      Martin put up a fight but Tolkien ended an age with his raps
      Small add on: i love that tolkien was consistend and got even better while Martin started strong but got worse (kinda how the show and books went xD)

  • @carl2d2
    @carl2d2 2 роки тому +2964

    “C.S. Lewis and I were just discussing how you and Jon Snow both know nothing” absolutely BRUTAL

    • @dakotastein9499
      @dakotastein9499 2 роки тому +51

      Wasn't CS the guy who made Narnia?

    • @martavdz4972
      @martavdz4972 2 роки тому +184

      @@dakotastein9499 Yep. He was brilliant in discussions and basically owned everyone, that´s why the rap battle mentions discussions. If he got his own rap battle, he´d win it with arguments from logic and philosophy. He was less patient but more versatile than Tolkien. He wrote a sci-fi trilogy, fantasy books for adults, heaps of great essays and a book on Renaissance literature. It was one of the few scholarly books I had to read at university that were both brilliant and highly enjoyable :-)
      Lewis also "cut his teeth in the trenches of the Somme". They were friends with Tolkien for most of their lives. They created the genre of fantasy together, based on the work of George McDonald (and mythology, of course), but only Tolkien usually gets credit for it, and not Lewis or McDonald. Tolkien was by far the best, but not the only one. LOTR wouldn´t exist without McDonald and wouldn´t be the same without Lewis.

    • @user-kb5oo2yu8q
      @user-kb5oo2yu8q 2 роки тому +57

      @@martavdz4972 not mentioning that all those are works of one of the greatest Christian apologists of modern era.

    • @oliverdelica2289
      @oliverdelica2289 2 роки тому +7

      I also love the transition to that scene 😂

    • @rubix4195
      @rubix4195 2 роки тому +11

      "A man with an obsession is a man with very little sales resistance" - A quote from a YT comment to suggest C.S Lewis was nuts. Yeah, some people on YT comments and Jon Snow both know nothing!

  • @Cunningplan
    @Cunningplan 2 місяці тому +4

    Occasionally I come back to this and after all these years I can't help but feel like even comparing the two is an insult to Tolkien...

  • @xxMaro92xx
    @xxMaro92xx 10 місяців тому +6

    I love the phrase "We don't need the back story on every fucking tree branch" - because yes, that's something Tolkien basically did, but it's also amazing - we don't have to memorize that though! What we have to or want to memorize are the characters. And G.R.R.M. starts a chapter with "so the battle starts with [insert 50-200 names] and now let's see what happens", and 1/3 dies, 1/3 gets captured, and 1/3 plans the next moves... good luck keeping up

  • @giovannisouls668
    @giovannisouls668 3 роки тому +2262

    George’s raps weren’t bad but Tolkien fucking DESTROYED him. Every time he does anything it’s Return of The King

    • @crusader0074
      @crusader0074 2 роки тому +8

      I prefer both R A Salvatore and Patrick Rothfuss to George “R. R.” Martin…but Tolkien is the best!

    • @johnbradshaw3001
      @johnbradshaw3001 2 роки тому +4

      @@crusader0074 rothfuss fucked up his fan by never finishing the triology

    • @crusader0074
      @crusader0074 2 роки тому +3

      @@johnbradshaw3001
      I agree. I actually never even finished the 2nd book.

    • @johnbradshaw3001
      @johnbradshaw3001 2 роки тому +5

      @@crusader0074 wish he would have taken a page from Sanderson. Not many good fantasy coming out lately.

    • @crusader0074
      @crusader0074 2 роки тому +2

      @@johnbradshaw3001
      Yup. R A Salvatore is good and fun, but also kind of repetitive.

  • @kahlesskronos2721
    @kahlesskronos2721 4 роки тому +3704

    "All your good guys survive"
    Thorin Oakenshield: Am I a joke to you?

    • @Arthur-nc6yp
      @Arthur-nc6yp 4 роки тому +37

      This... This is bad

    • @cyberhobbit176
      @cyberhobbit176 4 роки тому +308

      Sad Boromir noises

    • @mainman3476
      @mainman3476 4 роки тому +158

      Kili and Fili?

    • @justahyundai
      @justahyundai 4 роки тому +43

      Wormtongue as soon as he becomes a good guy

    • @Yceb0x
      @Yceb0x 4 роки тому +89

      Beren & Luthien: “There is no curse in Elvish, Entish or the tongues of Men for this malarkey”