Greg Doucette MOGGED by Revival Fitness (Complete Headshot)
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- One for the ages, Greg Doucette takes another L on this one.
FULL VIDEO (highly recommended):
• Greg Doucette is Gasli...
Timestamps:
00:00 "You Come at the King, You Best Not Miss"
00:20 Appeals To Authority
01:05 Sippin on Genetics and Juice
02:36 Empathy and Advice
03:35 IFBB Bonanza
04:30 "If you don't have abs, you are fat"
07:25 Pick the Fork Up
09:02 IFBB or Bust
09:53 Body Dysmorphia on Full Display
11:10 Contradictions
13:50 Dorian Yates SUPPORTS me!
14:41 30 Calories! Um...what?
15:31 Maingaining=Uh...anything Greg wants it to be
16:36 Will The Real Greg Please Stand Up?
17:11 Surplus=Fat?
18:00 My Comment
20:24 Bumstead is FAT?
22:30 AlphaDestiny didn't Maingain (most naturals don't)
23:08 Kiddie Menu Cookbooks
26:03 Bulking REASONABLY is the standard
28:08 Tom Lazorik
29:08 You can always make a change
30:15 This One Is For You Greg
31:10 Final Thoughts
31:46 Grab My Book It's Useful!
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With the amount of estrogen that Douche has, I'm amazed he build *any* muscle. (without a *lot* of juice)
@@GVS turn on ads please, I already bought your book, but we want to thank you for ur hard work
G shred himself is on TRT AND tell us to eat low calories , HMMM
Gshred thought he was safe because it's winter, little did he know that natural mosquitoes can bite year round.
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My favourite french vegan roided crossfit youtuber
Is this a teaser for a Gshred case study 👀?
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@@krys421 I wish
People complain about us discussing Greg, but he has spewed so much nonsense it’s an endless vortex. Bottomless pit. Thanks for the video brother.
People will moan about you discussing Greg but if nobody called him out then many people will keep listening to the bad information Greg spews.
I think ur testosterone is wasting its resources on body hair growth instead of muscle growth. Not shiting on ur genetics btw
Greg has becomed more drama Queen than last time...
Greg is an idiot who wouldn’t know his head from his ass but wants people to think he does
It's always nonsense when the enlighted can't understand it
the dangerous thing is Greg has a lot of legitimate advice when it comes to certain things, all at the same time while projecting his own opinions and ideas
i watched a ton of gshred vids....what is the legitimate advice....if you are completely natty??
@@sooparticular I can't even tell who his audience is. Some of his advice is for IFBB pro level people, but justifies the blanket "HARDER THAN LAST TIME" as most people in the gym are just fucking around and not training hard or consistently enough. Which is true, but that 90% doesn't need the enhanced/advanced perspective.
@@miket4014 totally agree!!i feel his audience is sadly 90% natty. its a joke...ive been in this game for decades...he is one of the worst in the fitness industry
@@sooparticular My guess is that he's not very thoughtful/clear more than evil. Which puts him above a lot in the community. He kinda strikes me as someone floating with the wind and latching on to things desperate for continued youtube success.
@@miket4014 he found the secret he looks innocent at 5 foot has the baby voice appeals to kids im sure his avg watcher is about 22 tops!! and he can be funny and entertaining
This video is exactly why people should not fanboy over fitness youtubers and why people should research different opinions from different sources and make decisions based upon that. If you only listen to one source of information you're gonna end up living in a bubble of (likely) misinformation. Love the points you guys made in the videos, it was very well put together!
Agree with you, learned CICO from Greg and been doing maingaining and is actually working, but dont believe in Turk.. CiCo bar is way too expensive.. so is better to make educated decisions, listen and go do your own research.
I was also a victim of greg and althleanX , tried to maintained as lean as possible and wasted my first year of training with very less strength progress than other people. Luckily, I found you, alpha destiny, sean nalewanyj and the whole natty community and after some months of bulking, now I could perform better than before. Hope this community get huge and influence more people than gym shark community.
I don't maingain, but it isn't supposed to be done "as lean as possible." That's just not how it works (to the extent that it works.)
Steve shaw from the massive iron channel is a good one too
Well seems like you misunderstood. You are not supposed to be as “lean as possible”, only lean enough to be healthy and still make gains. If you start off nearly shredded because you are naturally skinny then yes, you need to eat more. If you are already fat, no need to be in a surplus because recomposition is possible as an overweight novice lifter.
If you want to focus on strenght you are going to have to eat more and be "fat". If you want to look good naked you may be better off trying to stay as lean as you can and not add too much calories so that you do not ruin your physique. That of course is if your body and mind can whistand that.
You can't be super strong, be super lean and have big muscles at the same time unless you are on gear or have ultra rare genetics which would mean you wouldn't be struggling being lean in the first place...
@@italkgory99 The point you said "You need to eat more" is what Greg don't want to do. Clearly, 100-200 surplus is also technically a bulk. And we can't train "harder than last time" with that amount of surplus. His theory might work for overweight novice like you said. But not for everyone. He even said "You don't need to bulk if you're skinny". That's why everyone calling Greg out.
I followed Greg Doucette for a long time. Early on, I would have considered myself a fan (though not enough to pay $200 for a damn cookbook 😂). But over time he started making it clear who, and what, he is. He was intent on building a moneymaking empire, and all else was secondary. I unfollowed him about a month ago and haven't missed his channel once
In mid 2020 I was a fan, actually. Late 2020 his channel started rolling downhill and he's been picking up speed ever since. It;s clear he's out for cash no matter what the cost. I find it disgusting.
Someone told me you can download the stuff for free anyway
@@candyorange266 VitruvianPhysique ran a cycle of it and had meh results. For sure one of those supps that have little to no benefit.
I was in the exact situation, it's when he went after Vitruvian physique that I had enough of his snakeoil salesman bullshit
Yeah, 2019 Dr Greg was fun to watch. Trough Greg I found Geoff who was posting stuff in Gregs comments.
I'm glad people are talking about this. Around spring of 2020 I was finished club swimming and was 6'4 165lbs (I'm not good at BF% so I couldn't tell you what) and was finally ready to bulk and gain weight, then I found Greg's channel and his content had me convinced I needed to keep cutting. My parents were worried about how skinny I was and I thought they were crazy when in reality I was probably losing my mind. I ended up despising food and eating until I met someone who helped me out of my situation. I hope that more young people wake up and realize what he does is a fad and extremely unhealthy for normal people.
Some sports it's better to be a little bit fluffy. Abs are just control starvation. You have body fat for a reason.
To add to all of this, I remember browsing Doucette’s subreddit and saw this natural guy who was in his first two years of lifting and while he managed to stay relatively lean about maybe 10-13%, he still only gained about 2kgs in a one year span when he decided to maingain. I just thought how he basically spun his wheels that entire time and ended up falling for the trap like many others including myself
Tbh this wholes thing is just genetics. Everyone's bodyfat setpoint is different. His bodyfat was probably too lean for him so he probably should have just ate enough to have the energy to train and recover effectively. Would have seen th results quicker
I don't get what's so confusing about this whole maingaining thing tbh.
@@umahnator8613 I honestly feel like a lot of new skinny kids start working out but they are too lean and hardly make gains. I feel like 15% bf is a good spot to see gains then cut when ur happy with size
@@jakew2350 yea probably o just dunt like how overly critical they are of greg in the video. He literally says to get to a loot where u have energybto train and are happy. The people on this video seen it as just maintain a lean physique and build from there which I found kinda annoying.
@@umahnator8613 yeah but he also says if you don't have abs ur fat which makes some people think you have to be lean. But of course he is talking for competition
@@jakew2350 yea ik. Like o can see the annoyance with that but yoi know aswell as me that whenever he talks about that he always says for him. Because he's a bodybuilder. Doing these drastic bulks and cuts aren't really worth it and it's not healthy. So it's better to find someplace where you can maintain without starving and live of that. What he preaches is healthy tbh. Don't get why he gets so much hate. Even his diet looks reasonably healthy yet they still bashed it. Idk kinda annoying probably missing something
This video made me realize how much Greg's videos have shifted my views from reality. I swear watching him now is giving me whiplash from how often he swaps between body acceptance and dysmorphia. Thanks for the enlightening video.
From personal experience trying to "maingain" it might work for a bit, until you realize you were just doing a slow cut, and your weights start stagnating. Bulking again was the best thing I have done in the last 2 years of training in terms of muscle growth and performance.
5:42 Geoff put that tree back in the closet like a xmas decoration.
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I knew Zhoniin been getting swole, hiding his true disaster level under that hoodie.
@@Deathkill06 Zhoniin is in basically every good gym video. I see his top comments everywhere. Hes truley addicted to youtube as much as i am xD Love it, cheers m8
@@gely_ I remember one of his comments under a Larry wheels' video, it's really beautiful seeing someone who's growing a passion
ZHONLIN COMING THROUGH WITH HIS CONQUERORS HAKI
I needed this video last year... Was 17, 5 foot 8, 130 lb. Couldn't see my abs, so I kept cutting. Stairs were just a soul sucking thought. Been bulking for 6 months now. Up 20 lb Feel so much better
Finally a young person my height
I found it interesting that Greg said Jeff Nippard’s strength standard for bench press was unreasonable. That is being able to get to 275lb 1rep-max in 5 years of consistent/hard/smart training. I feel like Greg usually plays to the lowest denominator and just tries to message to people that they probably have shit genetics and shouldn’t expect great results even if they do everything right. He’s kind of a downer
That's probably a big part of why people hop on the juice, they undereat and assume they have bad genetics then just take the enhanced route...but that usually doesn't work either unless they have a rare "super response" to it. I've had a LOT of DMs from people who juiced up SUPER early and regretted it.
@@GVS people hop on juice because they want instant results and gratification. Very few people put much effort or time into anything anymore. How many people finish a 10 minute video you put up? like 5% or something... Those same people are going to work out consistently for 5 years... LOL sure....
@@maustin325 Yea people are so worried about something taking a long time so they don't want to make that long term commitment but they forget that the time WILL PASS anyway! So why not give it an honest shot and see what happens.
didn't understand that question because my brother fit that exact criteria of the question asked and did achieve a 275 bench press I was like bruh
This was also a big question when he said it. For example, it took me a year to get to 220 lbs in bench press, and I do not consider myself to be above average.
Came from Alpha Destiny's channel and immediately became interested in your content binging almost 15 videos in 2 days. As a 5 year natural lifter, cannot wait to see more content from the holy trinity of Natural Hypertrophy, Alpha Destiny and Geoffrey Verity Schofield.
Check out also Sean nalewanyj, massive iron (Steve shaw), Jeff nipard and of course revival fitness who is up and coming and producing solid content even outside the greg stuff.
As someone who used to suffer with a restrictive eating disorder, at my lowest weight of 110 lbs(about 49kg ) I certainly didn't have abs. I hardly had any muscle at all, little to no body fat either. You could see all of my ribs and most of my spine. My stomach wasn't just flat, it sunk inwards. I was the opposite of fat, but thanks to people saying things like that, I felt like I was. Saying that if you're fat if you don't have abs isn't just absurd, it's damaging.
For those concerned, I am currently at a much healthier weight of about 165lbs (around 75kg) and though I still need to work a lot on my physical strength, I'm finally starting to show some real improvement now that I'm consistently training and working to find a diet that I can handle (severely restricting your calorie intake for a long time shrinks your stomach, I do not recommend it) I squatted my first 45 recently and I'm pretty quickly working towards doubling it. Fitness has really been helpful in moving forward from my past issues and getting more comfortable in my own skin, but if someone like Greg had talked to me, or if I had ever watched him, I probably wouldn't have started this journey in the first place.
I'm a heavy bulk person. It's a personal decision but I've got my best results when eating 500-1000 calorie surplus everyday when training well hard. I favorise moderate and heavy bulks over small calorie surplus bulks, I think it gives this extra momentum of energy, motivation and tremendous results on the long term which maingaining or small calorie surplus won't offer. Plus I just like to enjoy eating a lot and training a lot. Calorie maintenance only works for the beginner phase or people using enhancements. It's just another fake idea that enhanced athletes couldn't spot because they did not have to do it naturally thus never realised their mistakes/blind spots. It's good we're calling out this BS!
And you've made crazy progress because of it!
When I started working out I was 68kg. Now I'm like 91kg or 92kg. I didn't bulk clean but I had a lot of stuff I liked, plenty of fruit, little tubby right now.
This year alone I think I made about 30kg on deadlift and similar amounts to squat. But now I also bounce back like it's nothing. And I know I can drop 10kg in a minute because I'm used to eating less. Bodyweight is a tool in bodybuilding/strength sports and if you don't use it then you're simply missing out.
@@GVS definitely
Just curious how much body fat range you reach before cutting? I usually do it around 30%
@@fayizfz not sure if you're asking me but in case I'll give my answer, I will cut down when I feel I've bulked long enough (which usually is a couple of years in my case), I always bulk for long to not kill momentum. And i'll start cutting when I start thinking I look too chubby, so around 25% bf if I look at my lifting history. Then cut to 11-12% and restart the process up to 20%+
Spot on! I did not have the time nor the energy to watch the long Revival Fitness episode, but I am sure this summed it up well :)
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Revival fitness ghetto stomped Greg lmao
Teeth on the curb
I’m gonna get a “maingain” tattoo over my belly button like 2Pac
Hi Geoff, thank you for covering Revival Fitness' topic about Greg Doucette. I like other fell for the maingaining bs. While being 5" 11' at 200lbs (not lean at all, kinda overweight) I thought it had to be my lifes mission to be lean and kept wasting my time trying to assimulate to Greg's cookbook way of eating but kept failling and on top hating myself by reinforcing poor body image due to his "If your not lean, your fat." mantra. Just brought your training book as I type this, very excited to read your book and learn from you.
Many Thanks,
A supporter. :)
Enjoy, it doesn't go into diet but it'll help your training immensely!
@@GVS did they just call you greg
@@GVS they called you Greg
Geoff*
@@GVS I've been maingaining for 7 mths. I look 1000 times better than that dude. Very interested to watch this video now😁
Definitely a great video (yours and Revival Fitness').
I think you're right about Damage Control - I think Greg Doucette started off with great advice meant for the majority of people (who are overweight). He's said as much - he doesn't think most people need to bulk because most people start off overweight to begin with, definitely most people that are watching his channel for fat loss tips.
I think he's definitely changed his mind on a bunch of things - even in the last few days, he had a video where he mentioned that a bodybuilder on stage is *not* how most people want to look.
He's a charlatan pure and simple. He'll modify his messages video to video to gain audience share. Most people hear what they want to hear so many a charlatan will cover as many bases as possible as a person will agree with what they want to hear and kind of filter out the rest. People say all of his advice isn't bad, which is true (no charlatan would be effective purely disconnected from reality), but its so all over the place that people don't really know how to use it, so they buy the book, training program, consume more content etc... until they get the 100% failsafe, silver bullet to their dreams.
He's shown that he has the ability to update his opinion/messaging and I really hope he does.
@@TheGreektrojan you literally said nothing of substance in your comment. Care to give an example?
Uhmm... Yea, most people DONT want to look like stage BBs lol? What did you think, that everyone wants to be a god damn hulk? xD
I followed Greg's advice for a long time. When I finally decided to bulk after army training, I went from 166lbs - 194lbs and added 80lbs to my squat and 30lbs to my bench in 5 months and made some good gains.
Why would you ever follow this vile toxic and obviously psychopathic and narcissistic piece of ****? He’s a rotten person
Ohhhh! I didn’t hear about this. Oh boy oh boy! I’m looking forward to this! In my most humble opinion Greg has gone right down hill ever since he left the condo.
Watch the full vid its gold i promis
I do enjoy his apartment videos more
@@user-er3ox4tq6b absolutely my favourite video of the year! BS called out in a hilarious way! What more could you ask for! Loved it!
Dude this put Greg in a whole new light for me.. I noticed that I have wasted about a year and a half maingaining because I thought it was the only answer after seeing Greg’s physique. I feel like I could have made much more gains and tbh I’m kinda pissed about it but I started a bull about a month ago anyway great video! Preciate it :)
what do you expect from a guy selling a cook book for 150 !! It is a damn cook book!
Did you really think that you wouldnt have to eat more than you currently are in order to see bigger gains, as in looking more like Greg? Or even just getting bigger?
Greg got me back in the gym and helped me find legit influencers. However, I struggle with legit advice now because of all his bs. For me as someone who is fairly overweight currently I can follow his advice but once I get down in body fat I now realize I will need to bulk for maximum results
You should just stay at a high bodyfat and use it to your advantage. When fat guys start lifting weights they gain muscle way faster than if they were skinny.
That's already a bulk so might as well eat the same and exercise until that calorie number is your maintenance calorie
I’m a 17 year old at 90kg ish. I’ve been going to the gym for a couple of months now and am making a bit of progress, but my slight belly does frustrate me a lot, especially as I used to work out at 14/15 and was very happy with my leaner physique back then. Is a body recomp viable? I hope so, I miss my old physique :(
you probably have shitty fat distribution genetics. i'm in the same boat, i look great, big and jacked, at even 25% bf or so, but my belly has a noticeable layer of fat even when i'm at 15% or below. it is what it is, can't do anything about it, so no point in stressing. 👍
Revival did a great job exposing Greg's hypocrisy/contradictions, and I'm glad Geoff is promoting it so that more people get the message.
please tell me you're not actually this stupid
I pretty much bulked from the time I started lifting to my senior year of college, so like 14 years old to 23 years old. I was never worried about "getting fat" in fact some days I would eat so much my stomach would be killing me. But food was everywhere, between the meal plan's all you can eat buffets to random people handing out pizza on campus to chipotle being within walking distance from campus. It was definitely the best progress I ever made and my body fat didn't even increase that much. I went from 150-180 and it was only once I got into the 180s that I needed to clean things up and cut down a bit, so if you're a young dude in your teens and 20s stop cutting. You should only cut if you're extremely overweight and obese but other than that, bulk away. Just eat as much healthy whole food as possible and limit junk like candy and soda and fast food but other than that have at it.
As a beginner teenage lifter close to a years worth of my progress was down the drain bc of dreams of “maingaining” coupled with thinking that at 12% bf I wasn’t lean enough. Two bulks later and the gains have been intoxicating.
You are among the best and realest in the fitness industry. Gives me a lot of inspiration in my pursuit of getting juicy ass lats bro. Half these egotistical personalities are a cancer that feeds these youngers bad ideas and waste their time. Wish your channel the success it deserves
So glad you posted this as revivals video needs more attention for sure. We need more of this. Thanks for posting!
"i don't pretend to be a some insanely jacked, strong guy"
*deadlifts over 200kg and front squats atleast 170kg*
Think that was 140kg, 3 plates for the front squat. Just colored like Oly plates. Deadlift is 227kg/500lbs+ though, yea.
@@GVS 140 is over double my bodyweight still impressive
@Nathan I guess if ur not training for Oly lifting...
God I can't wait for your Athlean-X video which you've been teasing on your stories.
That's a big project, will take a few weeks. A lot of research for it.
Finally someone did a hit piece. Its amusing to see him use the "masters in kinesiology" to make himself more credible on topics It doesnt even cover, also having a degree from 15 years ago doesnt mean much unless you constantly keep up with the science, which he clearly doesnt. His recipes are fine but his training advice is also near Vshred level, you just wont grow out of newbie phase like that.
Yeah having a degree in kinesiology doesn’t make someone a kinesiologist. My degree is evolutionary biology, but I’m not an evolutionary biologist lol
I have a bachelor's in kinesiology and most of the shit he said was not on point. The dipshit doesn't know the difference between law, theory, and hypothesis. I'm glad I'm obese( 30% fat) 🥲 or I'd end up spinning my wheels like so many other.
Also most fitness youtubers are hard to relate to anyways because they talk about the 10% to 20% while excluding bigger or not truly able get the perspective of an obese person.
After that video I instanly subscribed, that was pure gold
Just subscribed! This is truly speaking the truth!
Great video . Needed this wake up call .use to watch his videos all the time.
The "if you dont have abs you're fat" thing is the worst of it. I was 150lb at 6'1, skinny as hell, no abs because I didnt have hypertrophied ab muscles. Should I have cut more? Lol
Well yes, if you have a physical moving body, you're fat
@@Rikarwb until you’re reduced to nothing but bones, you’re fat
@@Rikarwb If it jiggles it's fat.
@@orkleth my balls jiggle, im gonna cut them off because they are fat, thank you Kyle
This may be unpopular opinion but I don't see what is wrong with Greg saying "if you don't have abs you are fat". he's referring actually to the outline of the abs which would place you around the ~15% body fat range and not a full cut 6-pack which one would get at
Hi, first time viewer here...I'm glad the algorithm led me here. First off, let me say you did an incredible job on this video. Same honors and kudos to revival fitness as well. You made some great points about Coach Greg especially about how his own genetics and ideal body type differs from most people. It really is a great point because we cannot expect the same results with the same methods compared to the genetic outliers. However, I think your points do not outright invalidate Coach Greg's philosphies completely as well. For example, there are people maingaining through intermittent fasting that's growing muscle efficiently. I also agree that Coach Greg's views on being fat if your abs aren't visble may contribute to body dysmorphia in impressionable viewers and he should be more mindful of the impact his words carry. I still do find value in a lot of Coach Greg's philosophies and knowledge. I think a more fair assessment of his methods might have been to speak to him directly and perhaps try his coaching as well. In my experience, most people that train themselves don't have a good mind muscle connection (mostly due to ego lifting and not exercising time under tension), adequate sleep, and does not progressively overload. The fitness industry is filled with real misinformation and negativity....and I don't really think that Coach Greg definitely fits in that category. I find value in all 3 point of views. P.S. Happy New Years.
Finally someone reasonable. Greg Doucette is far from perfect and recently I am also disagreeing with a few of his statements.
However, Geoff is also wrong invalidating the good parts of what Greg preaches.
Additionally, Greg is better than 90% of fitness influencers, who are the REAL problems.
This fight between them is nonsensical
@@thiagoneto3671 very true...also, when you make content callin out other "bad" influencers such as Coach Greg does, it was bound to come full circle toeards him lol. Coach Greg isn't stealing people recipes like Remington James, not claiming natural like Mike O'Hearn, and overall promotes a healhier lifestyle as he has always been an advocate for heart health and cardio. I do believe that Coach Greg should at least evaluate his own personal reservations about being fat if you don't have abs...or just reaffirm that it is his personal ideals for men's physique. Bodybuilding is like martial arts in that the core foundation is about self improvement....somewhere along the lines it became somethin else that's literally shortening athlete's lifespan by a big margin. Just look at 2021...we lost a lot of prominent bodybuilders and influencers way too soon and the common theme I keep seeing is "pre-existing conditions" and there isn't much discussion on the matter. Think about it...the bigger your mass is...the harder your heart had to work. We need more positive and ethicsl influencers in this space...and I believe both you and Coach Greg fits in that category. Keep up the good work and you got my support as a subscriber.
I agree... after reading some of the comments here I realise people here have some huge misconceptions on what maingaining means (or maybe I'm the one who got it wrong). I've always understood maingaining as maintaining as low a % of body fat that is comfortable for you where you can still build muscle, and that differs from person to person. Greg has never explicitly said that one needs to maingain at say 8% body fat which is almost impossible for anyone to do. Some commenters here have mentioned how they fell for Greg's BS by trying to be "as lean as possible", "not making gains while getting leaner"... all of which make no sense because unless you are a genetic freak or have never worked out before of course you are not going to make gains while being as lean as possible. You are supposed to be at a level of body fat that is as lean as possible for you to still be able to make gains (i.e. if you can make gains at 15% body fat then stay at that body fat %), not be as lean as possible then try to make gains (e.g. getting to 8% body fat then try to make gains while maintaining that body fat).
If I can maintain 15% body fat (able to see top 2 and half my middle 2 abs) and still be able to build muscle, I would. Why would I want to bulk to 20-25% body fat and then have to cut down to 10-15%? Perhaps I may make gains slower but I'm generally happier about looking decent at 15% year round. That's the concept of maingaining I got from watching Greg's videos back then (haven't watched in over a year) and I'm doing fine, just my 2 cents...
@@GC-by6iz You didn't get it wrong, that is what maingaining is. You are technically getting "slower" results, but if you actually measure the muscle gained and then lost from bulking and cutting, it comes out as the same number, so its neither slower nor faster. The problem with this channel and revival fitness is that they more so seem to have a personal agenda against greg, so they grab onto anything he says that can be remotely wrong or "hurtful" (as saying you are fat if you don't have abs, which technically speaking is true, even tho it might hurt someone). The majority of greg disproving himself montage was litterally words taken out of context and put against each other, like wtf? He says that you are fat if you don't have abs, ok this is true, he says that if you are too low of a body fat FOR YOU, you need to stop starving yourself (i.e. eat more, which is NOT bulking, it is MAINTAINING at a higher percentage of body fat), he also says that if you are already "fat" you don't need to bulk even more, you can just maintain, which is ALSO true, but instead of looking at the different points, they combine them and make it look like he is saying "if you are fat you should loose the fat (skipping out the fact he said, if you are TOO fat as in morbidly obese for example), but you should also gain the fat (skipping out the fact that he said "if you are too lean for your own comfort and health") and you should also maintaining and not gain or loose anything (skipping out the fact that he said "if you are already at a good for you body fat%")" which is freaking annoying the level of misleading they are using. He very clearly explains what he means every time he talks about those things, yet they take it out of context and just put the words against each other.
Mad respect bro! Until recently with muscle training I had traded one ED for another one. Content like your channel and what you’re commenting on have helped me bring more sanity to my fitness and health regiment ( and have gained a lot more strength now that I fucking eat!! Whodathunk? :)
This is a very good video! I am trying on a daily basis to teach young females what a healthy and strong woman actually should look like. And it’s not having ripped abs. You have no idea how many young females have eating disorders and think it’s the only way to look pretty. I tell them if they can’t perform their sport with energy, then we have a huge problem. Not how good you look in your uniform.
NICE VIDEO, main gaining is short bulk follow for short cut
Yeah… my man absolutely slapped Douchebag out of existence on this one. ☝🏻🔥
Falcon… PUNCH
@@REVIVALFitness LOL
Earned a subscriber for this video. I had already watched some of your content before, but this one was the nail in the coffin.
Huge respect for speaking up against bs.
Nice video, btw what do you think of Jeff nippards body recomp vids?
I was awaiting your take on this video. Gotta grab a snack and enjoy this video now lol
Over 35 years ago, I lifted and went from 140 lbs to 190 lbs (6' height)with a lot of strength added. Never looked big or cut. Never had abs. At one point, I gave it a good try to get cut but lost too much strength so I gave up. Was probably 18% fat at lowest. Now, in my mid 50s, I am interested in lifting again to build muscle. With the internet, I thought it be a chance to get more info than last time. Started watching athlene x and gravity transformation and then Greg. Now I watch very low view videos from older guys that are not and were never pros to see their work outs. Most have good info and are selling nothing and have no angle. I'm not really into drama and internet back and forth.
When I look back at my lifting and diet in the early to mid 1980s, I did it all right then and none of the big influencers today on social media are any smarter then I was then. Thank you Joe Weider. In my 20s, I came close to my strength goals and neared plateau after 5 years of training and maintained a 32" waist. Now, I would like to go back to 75% of that strength and return to the 32" waist. I get Greg's position in most of his videos because most of the population is very fat. In fact, those not into fitness are mostly obese, especially women. Most normal noobs have no business 'bulking'. Because I am at my desired weight, I will be happy with a very slow recomp that reduces fat and gains muscle. Was this Greg's 'maingaining' definition number 2?
Why do boomers love writing love winded essays on their personal lives in youtube comment sections lol
@@germanrud9904 because it offers perspective and context. i'm 37 myself and i like a good, thoughtfull long post.
Yeah I guess his clients are mostly fatties.
Greg reminds me of a person who has been rich for so long they no longer know how much a gallon of milk costs. Most of his audience does not have superior genetics like him, use his same supplements, whole life revolving around the gym. We keep a normal double digit body fat percentage year round and just want to get stronger and look a little better.
FINALLY. Thanks for making this video, the originally video deserves exposure and that's possible when intellectual people like you share your opinions. Great Job 🌲
This video blew my mind. Thank you for making it.
Was a fan of Greg during 2020 and he helped me come to the realization I wasn’t training and pushing hard enough. He helped me up my game and I have to give credit there.
Since mid 2021 or so I only watch about 5% of his videos. I’ll see the title and think ‘don’t care’ and move along. The Larry Wheels one ‘Steroid Pusher’ was one of his absolute worst videos and I checked out even further after that.
Bro same. His earlier videos were really cool and less screamo plus they were actually quite educational but now he's become what he supposedly fights against aka 'more spews more views'
@Nathan now he’s the one getting called out for BS.
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
@@hussainattai4638 lmaoo perfect quote for the situation
ever since he left the apartment he hasn’t been the same lol
@@ugbuga99I was on the same boat. It was cool in the beginning and then it sort of became just about "Natty or not."
Really, truly, appreciate your kind words and support, Geoff 🙏 when I started following you, I knew it was for a good reason. You’re generally very fair and unbiased, and look to the intricacies of any given situation. And I understand that I may in fact have better genetics for leanness than most, but at the same time I have struggled with overeating and my weight for a lot of my life (up until more recently). There’s more to this conversation, and I’d like to get in on it, so stay tuned! 💪🤓
As someone who used to be 60+% body fat, when you say “struggling with overeating and my weight” seems very off to me, you should appreciate your body more!
@@hussainattai4638 fair point, but wait for my response! I assure you there’s more to know! 💪🤓
@@anysimmers8702 that’s your choice to make, but I’m unsure as to why you’ve made up your mind without more information
@@tomlazoriksuccessfitness You know my feelings on this subject. I’ve been in the gym consistently for 28 years & NEVER once bulked, all while building significant lean muscle mass & strength over time while staying at about the same lower BF % throughout that time. My results were slow-ish & steady over the years, but also were comparable to those I knew who cycled thru the traditional bulking & cutting phases, as the results were always about the same in the end whenever they leaned out. That’s not even taking into account the fact that gaining & losing weight repeatedly can be harder on the heart & organs in general than taking the more balanced approach of building up with a slow & steady process without a doing a bulk.
I always referred to “maingaining” as lean bulking, but there’s many different terms I’ve heard to describe it over the years. There’s also a thing called a “recomposition” where you slowly shed bodyfat while also slowly building (or at very least maintaining) lean muscle mass, though there’s a fine line to follow to successfully accomplish that. I’ve seen this work personally, & also with many of the hundreds of clients I’ve worked with over the years. I think many people are getting lost in the semantics here.
PS: As a friend, I think it might be a mistake to become an affiliate of Greg’s at this early point in your UA-cam career, as it can cause people to question the integrity of info in your content or if your perspective is influenced in any way by a supplement you’re promoting. I mean that in the most constructive way possible, as I know you operate with the highest integrity and won’t compromise that to push a product for someone else…..but not everyone else will take the time to know or understand that about you. Either way, I respect your choice to do whatever you feel is right for you, and for whatever reasons you have for doing it. 👍
@@FitLabb tbh you may not have intentionally bulked, but you did bulk. You probably just did it intuitively though.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Geoff!
waited for this LETS GO
Bald omni man is an incredible channel, maybe you can do a fitness peer review if you like it enough?
Geoffrey! You have really grown I remember when I did Athlean-X parodies and you started noticing some of Athlean-X BS you had like 3K now you are at 50 soon. Congratz!
OMG, because of him I feared bulking, but the real bulk start today 1!
Thank you so much man !
Nice, been waiting for this
Great video. I started falling for the whole maingaining thing and I'm glad I woke up to the BS.
Going to failure all the time and "maingaining" got me shredded yes, but I felt weak all of the time. It got to the point where my squat went down to 235 pounds. Since doing submaximal training (Jeff Nippard's PB program is what I used) and not restricting my calories, I have reached a 305 pound squat, AND THIS WAS IN 20 WEEKS. Progress has not slowed as well and I'm only getting stronger at this point, and my bodyfat is hardly changing. Following Greg's advice was probably the most damaging thing I could've done looking back now.
Most of his advice is not applicable for us naturals
Yupp I agree, currently bulking lol
But if u felt weak maybe u were maingaining at a bit too low bodyfat
@Surb Singh I trained that way and was lucky I have really good genetics so I made a lot of gains but I could have made much much more had I had proper nutrients.
@Surb Singh I know I lost muscle. I'm trying to say that "maingaining" didn't work. I've gained back all the muscle and more after switching.
Maybe I got it wrong but I think alot of people have misunderstood the concept of maingaining. I've always understood maingaining as maintaining as low a % of body fat that is comfortable for you where you can still build muscle, and that differs from person to person. Greg has never explicitly said that one needs to maingain at say 8% body fat which is almost impossible for anyone to do. If you are not making gains (or even getting weaker) you are doing maingaining wrong beacuse are are not at the body fat level to begin maingaining to begin with. The baseline for maingaining starts at the lowest possible body fat where you can still make gains and maintaining that level. For example, if i find that I can still gain muscle at 15% body fat then I will maintain that body fat while gaining muscle, going to 20% would be "bulking" for me because I'm going to an unnecessarily high body fat.
If I can maintain 15% body fat (able to see top 2 and half my middle 2 abs) and still be able to build muscle, I would. Why would I want to bulk to 20-25% body fat and then have to cut down to 10-15%? Perhaps I may make gains slower but I'm generally happier about looking decent at 15% year round. That's the concept of maingaining I got from watching Greg's videos back then (haven't watched in over a year) and I'm doing fine, just my 2 cents...
Geoff, I'm worried about gains fat cells given how apparently they don't go away once you gain them. How should I convince myself to go through with it?
On top of that, aren't muscle gains deterred when bodyfat percent is higher (you gain more fat if you're fatter due to p-ratio)
Good stuff! I've been listening to your advice this winter with my bulk and I can't get over how strong I feel with this little bit of fluff.
Great Video. I think Greg may be so hellbent on the main-gaining thing because he has to be different than everyone else. If you want to make it big in UA-cam you have to offer something no one else is, and the main-gaining principle is what he brings to the table. Admitting that reasonable bulks and cuts are the way to do things isn’t good for the algorithm because people have been preaching that for a long time. Also, the anabolic diet is basically an eating disorder.
I have a scale that gives readouts of BF% along with weight. Ever since I started tracking, I've been between 15 and 16%. I know it's just an estimate, but it seems reasonable from what I know about body composition at different BF%. Would you say this is a good place to stay for hypertrophy training, or go higher? I seem to be doing reasonably well with my newbie gainz
Should be OK. Scales aren't always great but if you are making progress that's probably the most important sign.
@@GVS Thanks for the reply man. I was thinking the same, but very glad to have your take
15% is a great number my man. Right in the middle of the healthy range
Question: Could it be possible to "maingain" at a higher bodyfat i.e 20%+ or would you still need to be in a caloric surplus to optimally build muscle
20%+ should be very possible for a guy to maingain, Jeff Nippard just did a video on it.
Does anyone know what movie clip 12:47 is. The part where it says he has no rational thought I recognize that clip from a movie or aomething but can't page which one
Great video review 👌 A couple of years ago I cut down to 9-10% body fat. I felt like crap and was cold all the time. I also lost muscle and strength in the process. I then slowly put back on the weight and kept my body fat in the 16-18% range. I feel great, adding muscle and strength during the last couple of years. I like this approach and will stick with it.
Same here I got down to about 7%. Worst I've felt in years. Especially mental stress. Between that and not sleeping it was actually scary. I remember going from sitting to standing I would get horrible head spins...I'm happy about 17 to 20% and I still have crappy abs.
Greg isn’t someone I usually agree with but I don’t really see what everyone is complaining about here. He has said many times that everyone has a genetic limit to how low they can go and even says most people can’t be as lean as he is considering he can barely maintain 8-9% while on TRT. If your limit is 12% and you’re currently 15% there’s no scientific reason for why you need a surplus. If you’re 12% and want to stay 12% there’s no reason you’d need a “large” surplus. Which he has also said many times, to do a small surplus not no surplus at all necessarily. Again assuming that’s what you could maintain. If you feel shitty below 15% same rules. You could literally eat enough to go up to 16% and then maintain at 16% until the muscle you’ve gained drops you back down
Yeah... nearly everyone in here shitting on greg simply starve themselves of nutrients and calories.
Not everyone can maintain that bodyfat. I've never been able to see my abs even when I was in mma in good shape.
Greg's point is get as lean as you can get to and still build muscle and feel good.
That's it lol. Most people don't count calories or weigh them and are eating like 500 less than they think.
@@codycunningham9105 if you actually made it to 7% you probably could maintain 12% easily. Going all the way up to 20% to feel good is probably a lie your gut biome is whispering to you.
greg always says you should aim for 15 and not 10 or under because you may feel like shit unless you are in competition
Greg Douchet is just Ear-rap*
The squeaky voice-over (squeakover) has me LOLing. 🤭🤭🤭
This is a very angry Chipmunk lol
Hearing helium voice gregg is hilarious 🤣
Why are there people like this that have millions of followers then amazing experienced people like you with a fraction of it you’re literally the Jedi of lifting thank you grand master
Because drama sells and Greg knows how to exploit the algorithm. I watch his videos but I find his personality annoying, apparently a lot of people enjoys the whole screaming to the camera and such 🤷♂️
I highly recommend Geoff's book if you haven't bought it yet! Great advice with no BS at a good price and it supports an honest content creator on this platform.
All the editing put together is fucking hilarious lmaoo
the fact greg tried to sell fat burners alone should raise alarms.
17:33
Imagine Geoffrey the beast running at you like that. I would shit my pants
Heey. I've got a question. In a year a gain a lot of weight, I got really fat (70 kg to 96 on 175cm).
On February 1st 2022, I started dieting and to today April 4th 2022 I cut down to 80 kg.
I want to put on muscle as well and I've been following Greg's advice, I put on some muscle, I think, and after seeing this video I would like to ask, do you think I should eat more or to wait until I reach 75kg to do so??
Thank you!
Really tough to say. Tons of factors, with clients I get lots of info and know them well. Maybe can go back into a small surplus but again...super individual and I just don't have enough info.
I'm 6 ft 205 lbs at 23% bf% and only do pushups since I can't afford to pay for gyms consistently yet. Hopefully I can get a pullup bar soon
Dude you'll be jacked AF soon
Buy a bar dude
Also if you’re trying to gain weight in a bulk you might have to force feed a little, especially if you used to be skinny. Greg sees force feeding as absolutely terrible but it’s not a black and white scenario. If you eat till you’re satiated (especially if your normally don’t have a large appetite) it’s going to be a lot harder to gain weight.
I did a little experiment where I didn’t track my weight for a month and a half and I didn’t gain any weight. Force feed if you don’t eat a lot.
Greg does this a lot where he dumbs down more complex topics. Ex) no abs = fat, bulking leads to you getting fat, force feeding is not healthy. It’s BS
It's why whenever some one is on gear you gotta be ready to ignore a lot of what they say.
If we were all on gear and could get huge while super thin and not have our hormones go to hell then sure his opinion might be more viable. But for those who aren't we're in a completely different category but he's so used to how it works for him he's blind that it's different for people who aren't juiced up.
All of his qualifications are now wasted, he may aswell work for NASA and be a flat earther. He's gone backwards.
@@danielscootz1428 you still need to eat big to get big on gear. Test for example is largely mental.
Force feeding IS horrible... and yes force feeding is not healthy the name is godamned FORCED feeding.Since when something being forced is normal?
I have to admit: I've been doing the comfortable maingaining approach and I've never been able to see my abs. You're right: I keep hovering around 17-21% but I never really get to where I want without disciplined cutting. Gains are so easy at my fat percentage but abs just aren't in the cards with my approach.
If you maintain high protein and low to no fat, and low to no carbs, what happens? I have lots of fat on me so if I run out of glucose, I use fat right?
I don't think anyone will be *reviving* Greg after this massacre
Johnny shrive will try to help Greg. Anything for views right?
@@hemingway3508 *big swallowing noises
I'm so glad I landed on channels like yours and Sean Nalejwany's
What is mini cutting? How much cal deficit?
👍haven't checked out this type of content in to long, thanks for the cardio fuel enjoy free engagement UA-cam metrics!
11:20 I mean he is right if you're constantly in a 300 calorie surplus you will absolutely get fat at some point...
Here before the parrot leaves his comment
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Damn your at 45k 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶. I took a break off of youtube fitness and I come back and you gained like 10 thousand subs. Now creating this informative video debunking greg on some of the bs he's said is gonna raise your subs like crazy haha. His standards for health and wellness has always been absurd, 99 percent of people just want to be healthy not to become an Instagram model and Greg out here saying if you don't have abs you're fat, most people have to go down to a very low bf percentage for their abs to show and that's not healthy at all, they're gonna feel like shite and be in constant pressure in a low-calorie diet like that. Keep up the good content, you're def gonna make it to 100k this year👍. Def one of my favorite fitness UA-camrs
Thanks :) 100k is pretty reasonable for this time next year, yea!
This was a long video, but I watched every amazing second. 👏
It became apparent, before I caught your channel, and Revival Fitness's, that I'm primarily Greg's target audience. Someone around his age, might be a good candidate for TRT, and who is overweight, and he spouts a bunch of stuff that appeals to the older gentleman who wishes to transform. Train harder than last time. If you can't see your abs, you're fat. You want food that tastes good and fills you up (but as a diabetic, I can't eat most of his recipes). So, ultimately, this lie he sells becomes readily apparent, if you listen long enough. The sad thing is he drags a lot of young men down with him.
I'm 50, not wanting to have 15% body fat. I want more muscle mass, to help manage blood sugar. Greg says train harder than last time, but you and Revival Fitness have show me more about how to do that than "coach" Greg. Quotes, because he's a coach in his own mind, despite whatever he might be able to charge people.
Yes you're making a great point and it's a point that they make to. He has been a high performer forever, so if you're a man and you learn how to keep pace you can be a high performer too.
But that doesn't work if you have severe metabolic syndromes. You can feel like passing out just from moving to quick, how can you exercise like that?
And most artificial sweeteners can be handled by healthy people fine, if your digestion is already bad then you're just confounding issues.
If I was you I'd see if a doctor will prescribe anything that helps a bit with appetite suppression and just work on being able to fast up to 72 hours.
If you can do that you should be able to reverse diabetes to the point where your body and energy levels work how they should.
There's quite a few doctors that teach how to fast, ketosis, or fasting mimicking.
Just switching to more keto friendly veggies and fermented stuff should make a huge difference.
Oh and if you have any lower body issues I would look up "knees over toes guy." I have no more knee pain walking. My weight loss was 10 to 30k steps a day which took its toll on my knees after bring sedentary for so long.
Good luck
Oh and if you're diabetic basically all of his cook book would have to be heavily modified. There are plenty of keto, LCHF, paleo, youtube channels out there with recipes.
@@greuju thanks. I’ve been keto for 7 months. Spent a year following the Zone before that. I’ve dropped 80-90 lbs in two years and dropped two diabetes meds completely and 2 others in half.
I don’t have lower body problems, thankfully.
you people are so pathetic and insecure it's a joke. Can't even criticise him properly without resorting to ad homs. You're just as bad as what you;re saying greg does
@@kklh7918 Ad hominem, I don't think that phrase means what you think it means. In no way did I attack "Coach" Greg directly. I did take issue with his positions and how he markets. Perhaps that is a bit of an attack, the use of the quotes. But his service is priced out of my league, and it is unlikely that I would actually receive benefit from the service. You appear to be a Coach Greg fanboi, though, so good luck with that.
Doucette is the second horseman of the fitness apocalypse. Two more to go
Who was the first? Chef Rush?
@@handles4days69 Athlean X
@@handles4days69 jeff cavaliare
Vshred
I remember when I used to watch GShred I used to think I was fat cus I didn’t have abs. Recently found some beach photos and I looked like I never even stroked a dumbbell.
lmao 30 Calories surplus....probably gonna take half a year to gain one pound
As I watch more of Greg's content... I have notice he contradicts himself more and more.
i remember when greg used to say by watching his videos your performance will go up the reverse happened to me literally x2 or more on every lift in a couple of months and cardio performance, the other thing is that he barely talks about training at all i know its for "business" but his channel was supposed to be centered around fitness which threw me off i still have a long way to go especially my deadlift which is terrible because i only used to watch coach greg videos where he barely talked about any training at all i've currently gained like 10kg in two-three months would say like like 6kg of which was muscle but a lot of it was essential muscle i'm still probably around 12-15 bf been increasing my calories in 200 segments like x4 but increased it to 400 on top of all of them recently wish me luck on this bulk and the terrible deadlift 🙏
Didn't even say what u did to perform so poorly
Man, this video, specifically the clips of Greg was just so funny to me 😂😂😂. It was just so stupid: the contradictions, and the high pitched voice was just icing on the cake. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, this is so true I have lifted for 3 years well 2,5 of them with a very, very slight surplus and well in the last 6 months I´ve gained about 12 kg and well I can´t see my abs anymore, but I made nearly the same strength gains as in the first 2,5 years. This is insane, I could be much further if I ate more
Edit: I gained about 1 kg in those first 2,5 Years
G shred at it again
Revival Fitness put in an enormous amount of work in his completely fair takedown of Greg Doucette. He deserves the widest possible viewership.
Nah he doesn't. I've heard some sexist bullshit in a couple of his videos and stop following inmediately
@@magda386 low test simp moment
@@nibba5692 yea bro. It is low test to be non-sexist 🤡🤡🤡
@@magda386 relevant if true. If it is real sexism and not just facts that get people butthurt. I don't watch revival so donno. His takedown of doucette is still good tho.
@@researcher_21c72 it unironically is
5:45 the Christmas tree 😤👌🏼
Great video - yours and RF’s one. Greg content helped me lose weight during the lockdown in 2020. However, like that Batman quote, he did “lived long enough to become the villain”. At least his mistakes led me to your channel (via the Gshred drama), to Revival Fitness channel, and a better, more grounded fitness content overall. Ultimately It’s a shame all his good deeds (helping overweight, clueless people like I was) are being eroded by his skewed perceptions and that maingaining stuff.