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@@iamawesomeguy19 It was the yearly medical checkup for my visa here. I don't think they see too many weight trainees! I laughed and asked where exactly the fat would come from. Some doctors just follow protocol without thinking.
Many doctors these days just seem to read flow charts from their overseers. I'm not really sure what their point is when I could just input data and answer automated questions and receive my automated prescription/advice/referral. I started going to an independent doctor unaffiliated with the big providers and it's a bit better. The days of your doctor getting to know you are disappearing quickly. It's not really their fault either.
What’s hilarious is that at the end of Greg’s response video he says people are trying to get popular by attacking him yet that’s exactly how he got his fame on UA-cam but it’s okay when he does it.
Yeah I do ab work right now as I remember that when I was young and skinny I had no visible abs. This time I want to actually have something down there to reveal as I lean back down.
Geoff, AlphaDestiny and Sean Nalewanyj have changed my view (and PRs as well) drastically. In 2017, I trained for around 5 months. Was following Fakelean-X a lot then. Tried "maingaining". Could only able to squat 50 kgs in a 56 kg BW and 5'9". Quitted training assuming "I don't have genetic potential." Started training again from August 2021, with a BW of 53 kg. Just focused on heavy compounds and minor accessories, and literally forcefeeding myself. Just today I hit a 70 kg 1RM squat, in 58 kg BW.
A funny think I noticed on Greg’s video was his reason for not liking bulking is because When he was natural, he dirty bulked from 150 to 180 and just got fat with no muscle. Then he said he went from 150 to 170 the next year and gained a good amount of muscle. He tried to word it different, but he’s literally saying he lean bulked and was able to better put on muscle as a natural.
Just bought your book this morning and I'm through compendium 4 so far and I'm loving it. I've been training for 10+ years and I like to get as many views on things as I can and this book is one of the best I've read! Hope all is well and keep it up big dog
Thank you for this video. Some YT content creators just can't see past their own "IFBB pro bias"... forgetting about real people. For instance, I'm currently 16-18% BF with just a faint 4-pack visible. However, among my friends and family, where most are overweight and don't lift, they say I do have abs. The answer to the "visible abs question" is in the eye of the beholder, it seems.
I’ve been watching fitness related videos almost 24/7 for the past year. Im not exaggerating! Out of all the channels out there, from the biggest to the more obscure ones, I can honestly say that you’re my No.1! Although Natural Hypertrophy is getting really close! I think there’s a lesson to be learned when seeing what greed and fame did to Greg, so please make sure it doesn’t happen to you!
I know it’s kind of “well, duh!?!” but I still find it super impressive how Eddie Hall’s abs are so huge that they’re still visible even when he’s not lean, like at all. Yeah, yeah, I know he’s one of the strongest humans to have ever lived, so of course he’s got huge muscles.
I literally never cared about visible abs until I had them. I was just as happy between 15 to 18 % as I am now single digit. I think the whole argument should be entirely centered on every individual, which is hard to narrate.
On point! Borat to bond 😉. Jokes aside, If you don't lift, bmi is a very good starting point for a health assessment before looking at body composition (which is easy to determine) and blood markers. And yes, for natural people (no peds) waist size is also indicative. And very good point that there are skinny people with no abs. Keep up the good work.
I agree, lifting, especially for men, is what screws up BMI. It's rare to have outliers that don't lift (or do heavy physical labour, or a ton of loose skin) that aren't *anywhere* in the healthy range, since low-end to high-end we're talking about a ~20kg difference. My aunt, for example, sits at the low-end of a healthy bmi, has her whole life, healthy markers, yet when I dropped to a BMI similar to hers, I was already underweight even before lifting properly, but my ideal weight is smack in the middle, slowly creeping up since I do lift. (And I am a bit of an outlier to begin with, scoliosis and a hip-problem takes some inches of my height, loose skin adds a bit of extra weight.)
I was stoked to see our client transformations in there, saw "Obviously MainGained," got triggered, and then remembered you were you. What a rollercoaster!
Thanks for the information Geoff. I really like seeing my abs in the mirror.. I check my inbody and I was at 14% bodyfat but still Im not that much shredded and I didn’t train abs that much. I hate training it. My focus now is to get stronger in my lifts bench, squat, deadlift, military press..🔥🔥💪💪❤️❤️
Very thoughtful video. It is SO important for content creators to be enpathetic, and have a sense of moral responsibility. I feel like it not only benefits the viewer, but in the long run, vastly benefits you as well.
Very well articulated. I enjoy seeing examples/visuals that you show in your videos. Oh and thanks for not yelling into the camera at us and calling us morons like some other fitness youtubers do ;)
7:05 yes! My cousins husband has faint abs but a clear beer belly. I have a flatter leaner stomach and don’t get abs until 15% or under. It’s weird a thing to wrap your head around.
Not really. He carries his fat underneath the ab muscles. You carry it on top. You are better off in the long run because that deep fat is the fat associated with illness.
Yo Geoffrey, just wanna comment that I've been watching your videos since the start of my lifting journey, and I went from 57kg to 69.5kg in my first year in 2021, doing mostly compound lifts on a full body workout. Your videos are very helpful for nattys, keep it up brother!
As a non outlier woman, having abs is not realistic to have year round Unrelatedly, I saw a glimmer of a bicep vein last gym session in the goon light 😃
Thanks for this video, Geoffrey. I have small love handles and have always been scared of being seen as "fat" even though I am 155lbs at 5'7". Started eating a bit more (300 cal surplus) and my strength shot up. I finally feel good in the gym. Side note: That bible at the end should win you an Oscar for best special effects :).
Hey Geoffrey, when are you going to do a video about lighting? When I look in my bedroom mirror the light hits me from the side and suddently I develop visible abs. It's great! You should do a lighting guide because one way to fight body dysmorpia is to make people feel they look good!
I agree with this video. I also agree with Goldemort because it’s basically the same thing but drama is a thing. You explain it A LOT more clearly though.
In my maingaining video, I asked Greg that if my waist circumference is small and health markers are great, what the hell does not seeing clear abs have to do with being healthy. Plenty of people walk around UNDER 20% without visible abdominals so clearly it is a poor screen for that too.
And we've all seen your video. Has Greg said no abs are unhealthy? Thought he just said no abs means you're fat, which is coming from a former ifbb pro so it's obviously a skewed perspective
@@rockyevans1584 So he can live in lalaland and use words to mean whatever he wants to an audience of people that don't have the knowledge to know when he's talking bologna.
@@ProphetFear you're twisting his words. The last guy id like to defend is Greg, he's an absolute grifter at this point. Very hypocritical of you to misquote him and suggest he's living in lala land. You don't need to invent things, there's a long list of contradictory statements and many obvious mistakes he makes that are worthy of derision
@@rockyevans1584 Greg's intended message or contextual message falls flat when his actual impact was keeping skinny kids skinny and weak, doesn't matter his words.
@@ProphetFear Greg's advice is for beginner lifters who have no actual motivation. Same as athlean x. Grifters that anyone with a decent head on their shoulders will move past quickly. Words absolutely matter, you even said he's using words in order to push his agenda. Your argument loses all validity the second you misquote someone. His words may not be accurate, but if you take issue with what he's saying then you'd better quote accurately the things he's saying you take issue with
Ab definition is also a fat cell location issue, which is genetic. Some people have a genetic preponderance of fat cells covering their abs, while others can have a higher BF percentage and yet have cut abs. This is true especially for women. Given a man and a woman at the same BF percentage, the woman would also certainly have better looking abs than the guy.
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 No, it is not. My comment was about where bodyfat is located. Men tend to have it in their abdominal region, but women don't (they tend to store it in their bust and hips). That pattern is genetic. As I said, a woman with a BF of X will tend to be leaner in the midsection than a man with a BF of X.
This is true.. I carry most of my fat on my legs/back/face and not my stomach. I can see my top 4 abs at 17-18% bf still. Now if I want to see those bottom two abs.. I'd need to be like 12% bf.
I'm so glad I found your channel a few months ago. As naturals we should start ignoring most of the juice users and actually listen to the natural lifters.
You are one of my list now along with Sean Nalewanyj, and Revival Fitness. I already ditched the big channels whom have turned into villains(Greg Doucette, Jeff Nippard, etc).
My one wish for 2022 is see Mark Rippetoe and Greg Doucette "debate" maingaining. It'll be a shitshow, but at this point you might as well find some joy in the chaos.
I always find BMI interesting. My coach is 6'0, 230lbs, with a rather lean physique, and vascularity, but he is obese and has a 30 bmi? Longterm maybe he'd benefit from losing sheer size, but I don't think someone can tell me "we need a major weight loss phase, now!"
Thank you for this one Geoffrey. IT will stay a reference for me on the Topic of abs. Really needed to hear all of what you said. Very happy to have subscribed to your channel few months ago. Wish you the best with your strength training goals.
Geoff, just got your book. Felt like I had to after all the great content you’ve provided. I’m newish to lifting at 43yr (7 months in) and I’m still weak but getting better. Dropped my bf from 28-28% to 22%. Hopefully 15% Is doable. Had to send some support my man. Keep it up.
I'm so glad Greg doucette made that video about you in the past, where he stole your money. If it wasn't for that video I don't know if I would've found you and now I'm just watching every video you put out and quickly become one of my favorites. You're in the top tier list alongside Sean, will Tennyson, Alpha destiny and recently revival fitness :)).
That point on Fat Storage tho is UNDERRATED. I'm one of these guys that has literally no fat anywhere else on my body except my stomach. In order for my abs to show, I'd have to be less than 10% bf & that's just not feasible. Besides as an insulin dependent diabetic who gives shots in his stomach, it's less painful having some fat there 😂😂😂.
People can have excess fat/skin on their body, it doesn't mean they are the dreaded "fat" word. I was 153 down from 250 at 5'10", no chance I was ever going to see an ab close to my belly button since it was all loose skin and a bit of fat. Now that I lean bulked up to 193 over 3 years, my waist is still the same 34." I have never been healthier or happier at my new weight which has been a lot of muscle. BMI SHMEEMI, biomarkers are the real judge of health and not the guy who has ab anxiety and yells at a screen. Nice video on this topic Geoff, thanks!
I personally agree with Greg if you're lifting recreationally or bodybuilding. If you're trying to powerlift competitively or bulking to improve any sort of strength performance I think not having abs is fine
Very good points about abs being subjective and dependent on genes so it's not a reliable factor (alone) to know if someone is fat or not. Hope you have a great day :)
Like you said, some people haven't developed their abs at all. If you've only weight lifted and never played sports as a kid or worked out your core, your core may be very weak and underdeveloped. Sports develop your core A LOT. Almost everyone on my soccer team had a 6 pack back in the day lol.
Had this discussion with a friend who was all "why you working abs? I got abs and all I did was squat and deadlift." Yeah but you also were a wrestler in high school, I haven't played any sports since I was ten so I probably don't have anything to reveal under the fat if I don't do some ab work now.
Bro I have been using my abs a guide for my training for a year now. Six pack is why I want to look good (summer and it takes effort). Top four a maintenance phase (no effort and gains are slow). Top two and half (gains are easy and food is ummy). I switch between these every few months depending on how I feel.
Great points. Especially like how you mentioned if you've never trained abs how can you expect to see them. This is not discussed enough. This whole idea of everyone has abs, you just need less fat is nonsense. My abs didn't show until I had enough muscle mass built up.
I followed he who should not be named advice for compounds creating large good abs and got literally nowhere. I have been training abs for about 3 weeks and have already made significant changes in definition. I'm really not even that skinny. Somewhere between 15 ti 17 percent bodyfat ish. Pretty sure if I keep working on it I'll have decent abs by the end of the year all things going well. So glad this BS is coming to light.
Great video. Especially the takeaway about being empathetic. I bought who-shall-not-be-named’s Training Book, and although most of the information was good, it wasn’t worth $200. There were very little variation in the training plans. Like I hated training “legs and biceps” because it came right after a back day. It’s like what if you don’t like training legs and biceps? A training book worth $200 should have a vast variety of programs for many types of training preferences. That book just demonstrated his narcissism, since it featured his preferential training splits. However, I won’t call him a psychopath because he has some level of consciousness of what he’s doing.
A thing to add, admittedly for a small population: huge weight loss fucks up your aesthetics like abs, a bag of loose skin around your lower stomach is going to look fatter and hide more of your abdominals than if you'd not previously been fat. Admittedly if you've recently lost a ton of weight you should be conservative with bulking to reduce regain.
I'm on the shorter side with my 5'8.5", so it's really easy for my BMI to reach 30. In fact, it was over 30 until just recently. I was under 18% bodyfat and obese. I always find it disappointing when I'm cutting and stop being obese, but it'll come back.
Most of the population are either obese ( untrained ) or have zero muscle mass, the latter of which, in Greg’s eyes would be fat still. Work your ass off for 5-10 years and and those abs should pop out regardless how big you get. 👌🏻
I have abs. They are not visible. I don't give a fuck. My doctor says I'm in good health. In the last month, I have outboxed people who do have abs and are 10 years younger than me - my cardio is excellent for what I do. I don't have a visible six-pack but I'm healthy. And I'm happy. And Greg, in my opinion, is too obsessed with aesthetics - I'd much rather feel good. Again, not saying one is better than the other... I'd just be fit physically and mentally and look reasonably ok than be pumped with sauce and have visible abs and be a slave to (and promote) what I consider body dysmorphia. Also... Greg's definition of "FAT" seems weird. And his video is clickbait.... which he's already backpedaling. Thank you for making this video.
@@GVS Releasing a majorly updated version this month or next if you want to hold out a bit. The workout program is already updated. Happy to get you a review copy. Let us know!
Another great video that echoes some stuff I was thinking about in Greg's response. I think homeboy just spends so much time with enhanced body builders and noobs with body dysmorphia who look like them that his views on this subject are skewed. Like I bet he's seen skinny fat people who want to go bloatlord and now he's overcorrecting because of it. But the no ab=fat thing is such an asinine argument to make unless you're busting chops with your friends, which is what I used to think before he doubled down. Especially when he had a video like 2 days later, about how having abs isn't important to the health of many people.
Great video as usual! I see guys on bulking always get super bloating? For example : Aplha Destiny Why this happen? food choice? or if we bulk we are automatically to get bloated? This is make our measurement (with tape) is nonsense since we measure together the bloating effects and that is not pure gainz. Let's bulk not bloated.
Another problem with Greg is that I am starting to think that, being as smart and knowledgeable as he is, he does not fully understand how abs work at least in a natty person. He advocates not training them at all because him, a juiced up 8/9 % BF bodybuilder, has very good abs definition and does not feel the need to add isolated abs work to make them look better. He seems to be completely unaware of what a good ab training (and not meaning of course 7 mins high reps fancy incluencers workouts of crunches and stuff like this) can make in order to make them popping out even through significant layers of fat, while some others might have to say goodbye when they go over 14/15% simply because they paid attention to Greg insistent statement about not having to include isolated series for abs
The lowest I’ve gone in awhile was 14stone ? Which is really light for me .. Didn’t have abs.. but I remember looking in the mirror and thinking “Fuck I look skinny”… maybe I did or maybe I didn’t but I wasn’t happy with how I looked .. (6ft btw)
Abs are overrated imo. Too many people get caught up in always wanting to see their abs that they make no progress. I made amazing progress once I stopped worrying about being lean and got on that bulk train. Now I'm what some consider "fat" but I'm a lot stronger and healthier
In my opinion, when I say obese, I am referring to the technical form, like an elevated BMI. When I say fat, I am referring to appearance regardless of BMI. So, in my opinion, someone can both have a healthy BMI and also appear "fat".
The issue is a healthy BMI doesn't always mean you are healthy. If you have a low enough amount of muscle mass and are 30%bf as a man you could be obese with a overweight BMI (guesstimating). Same with a high enough muscle mass and a healthy bf% being a non healthy BMI.
@@hernandez9350 I understand this very well. I guess I should have placed "healthy" in quotes. All I'm saying is that when I hear someone (unnamed) say someone is fat, I understand that to mean that they are visually fat and not automatically medically obese.
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Speaking as a doctor, If a doctor is telling you to lose weight at 11-12 % BF, you need to see a better doctor.
@@iamawesomeguy19 It was the yearly medical checkup for my visa here. I don't think they see too many weight trainees! I laughed and asked where exactly the fat would come from. Some doctors just follow protocol without thinking.
Big thank you to Ethan Beaver too, great lad.
Many doctors these days just seem to read flow charts from their overseers. I'm not really sure what their point is when I could just input data and answer automated questions and receive my automated prescription/advice/referral. I started going to an independent doctor unaffiliated with the big providers and it's a bit better.
The days of your doctor getting to know you are disappearing quickly. It's not really their fault either.
I am still of the opinion that people who say it's hard to have abs while you're bulking don't do any ab work at all, or very little. Too lazy 😂
What’s hilarious is that at the end of Greg’s response video he says people are trying to get popular by attacking him yet that’s exactly how he got his fame on UA-cam but it’s okay when he does it.
hypocrisy at its finest 😩
He says he welcomes criticism but then cries when criticized lmao
YOU SAID THE NAME
Facts Greg is a hypocritical crybaby
@@ready4itall89 all the roids finally got to his brain, which is surprising cuz i didn’t know he had one
A lot of times people are lean, their abs just have no size.
Yeah I do ab work right now as I remember that when I was young and skinny I had no visible abs. This time I want to actually have something down there to reveal as I lean back down.
Geoff, AlphaDestiny and Sean Nalewanyj have changed my view (and PRs as well) drastically. In 2017, I trained for around 5 months. Was following Fakelean-X a lot then. Tried "maingaining". Could only able to squat 50 kgs in a 56 kg BW and 5'9". Quitted training assuming "I don't have genetic potential." Started training again from August 2021, with a BW of 53 kg. Just focused on heavy compounds and minor accessories, and literally forcefeeding myself. Just today I hit a 70 kg 1RM squat, in 58 kg BW.
Congrats!
Very nice!
Dear goodness man, please continue to eat. Your entire life quality will improve, especially with training.
Man same weight at exact same height !! I just want to gain weight !!
let's goo 😎😎😎
A funny think I noticed on Greg’s video was his reason for not liking bulking is because When he was natural, he dirty bulked from 150 to 180 and just got fat with no muscle. Then he said he went from 150 to 170 the next year and gained a good amount of muscle. He tried to word it different, but he’s literally saying he lean bulked and was able to better put on muscle as a natural.
Sounds like his problem lmao.
Greg also has a problem with junk food and needs sugar
Just bought your book this morning and I'm through compendium 4 so far and I'm loving it. I've been training for 10+ years and I like to get as many views on things as I can and this book is one of the best I've read! Hope all is well and keep it up big dog
Glad you're enjoying it!
Have you bought mike boyles strength training book? Its basic stuff that works.
Thank you for this video. Some YT content creators just can't see past their own "IFBB pro bias"... forgetting about real people. For instance, I'm currently 16-18% BF with just a faint 4-pack visible. However, among my friends and family, where most are overweight and don't lift, they say I do have abs. The answer to the "visible abs question" is in the eye of the beholder, it seems.
I’ve been watching fitness related videos almost 24/7 for the past year. Im not exaggerating!
Out of all the channels out there, from the biggest to the more obscure ones, I can honestly say that you’re my No.1!
Although Natural Hypertrophy is getting really close!
I think there’s a lesson to be learned when seeing what greed and fame did to Greg, so please make sure it doesn’t happen to you!
“Don’t be pedantic, you mosquito.” Greg’s possible reply to this video. 😂
I know it’s kind of “well, duh!?!” but I still find it super impressive how Eddie Hall’s abs are so huge that they’re still visible even when he’s not lean, like at all. Yeah, yeah, I know he’s one of the strongest humans to have ever lived, so of course he’s got huge muscles.
Imagine if he was born during the middle ages, the man would be sung about in folksongs today.
Hey thanks for the shoutout man! Looking forward to making good use of that book, keep up the great work!
Your g shred vidz are literally the best thing happening to UA-cam fitness
Greg can learn so much from this, and I certainly learn alot from this video
how can greg douch ette ever learn anything if he doesn’t have a functioning brain?
@@youtubehandle97 You guys are such babies it’s hilarious
@@UnhumanNewman imagine simping for greg, down horrendous my man
@@UnhumanNewman was that supposed to be an insult Douche Ette fanboy? LOL
Greg comes across as stubborn I doubt he would learn anything at this point unless it meant making more money and selling his cookbook
100% agree, I personally have pretty diced abs at like 13-15% BF, because my legs store more of it.
I literally never cared about visible abs until I had them. I was just as happy between 15 to 18 % as I am now single digit. I think the whole argument should be entirely centered on every individual, which is hard to narrate.
Yea it's definitely a lot of individual choice, for sure.
Most people will be way happier at 15-18. Its not common to be able to live comfortably sub 10% bf
On point! Borat to bond 😉. Jokes aside, If you don't lift, bmi is a very good starting point for a health assessment before looking at body composition (which is easy to determine) and blood markers. And yes, for natural people (no peds) waist size is also indicative. And very good point that there are skinny people with no abs. Keep up the good work.
I agree, lifting, especially for men, is what screws up BMI. It's rare to have outliers that don't lift (or do heavy physical labour, or a ton of loose skin) that aren't *anywhere* in the healthy range, since low-end to high-end we're talking about a ~20kg difference. My aunt, for example, sits at the low-end of a healthy bmi, has her whole life, healthy markers, yet when I dropped to a BMI similar to hers, I was already underweight even before lifting properly, but my ideal weight is smack in the middle, slowly creeping up since I do lift. (And I am a bit of an outlier to begin with, scoliosis and a hip-problem takes some inches of my height, loose skin adds a bit of extra weight.)
I was stoked to see our client transformations in there, saw "Obviously MainGained," got triggered, and then remembered you were you. What a rollercoaster!
Haha yea it was definitely said ironically! Great work!
Thank you Geoffrey for being a voice of reason and honest.
Thanks for the information Geoff. I really like seeing my abs in the mirror.. I check my inbody and I was at 14% bodyfat but still Im not that much shredded and I didn’t train abs that much. I hate training it. My focus now is to get stronger in my lifts bench, squat, deadlift, military press..🔥🔥💪💪❤️❤️
14 % is a goal bodyfat for most people. You don't have to see your abs to be healthy
@@CaptainTrips yeah I know, but aesthetically speaking I want to be at 12% and stay there if that is possible..🔥🔥💪💪
@@Theweakg Well, good luck on your journey, bro!
What do u do to train abs?
You aren't 14% bf judging by your profile pic. Just saying. Keep up the journey though, it's all that matters.
Very thoughtful video. It is SO important for content creators to be enpathetic, and have a sense of moral responsibility. I feel like it not only benefits the viewer, but in the long run, vastly benefits you as well.
Very well articulated. I enjoy seeing examples/visuals that you show in your videos. Oh and thanks for not yelling into the camera at us and calling us morons like some other fitness youtubers do ;)
7:05 yes! My cousins husband has faint abs but a clear beer belly. I have a flatter leaner stomach and don’t get abs until 15% or under.
It’s weird a thing to wrap your head around.
Not really. He carries his fat underneath the ab muscles. You carry it on top. You are better off in the long run because that deep fat is the fat associated with illness.
He's not say if you can see your abs your not fat, he's saying if you can't you're fat also this only applies to males
Uploaded right as I was about to have dinner, thanks for the content king 👑
Physical and knowledge gains concurrently is the way to go.
Yo Geoffrey, just wanna comment that I've been watching your videos since the start of my lifting journey, and I went from 57kg to 69.5kg in my first year in 2021, doing mostly compound lifts on a full body workout. Your videos are very helpful for nattys, keep it up brother!
Nice work!
you get quite honest talking about empathy and free speech and you seem at your most genuine thanks
As a non outlier woman, having abs is not realistic to have year round
Unrelatedly, I saw a glimmer of a bicep vein last gym session in the goon light 😃
He's specifically talking about males though
@@lukeet331 nothing she said contradicts the video?
I have said this the last time and I will say it again, I fucking love you Geoffrey Verity Schofield. Never stop.
The ending. Totally random definition - psychopathy 😅
Thanks for this video, Geoffrey. I have small love handles and have always been scared of being seen as "fat" even though I am 155lbs at 5'7". Started eating a bit more (300 cal surplus) and my strength shot up. I finally feel good in the gym.
Side note: That bible at the end should win you an Oscar for best special effects :).
"Words matter." Oh, yes. Thank you for the call for empathy.
I'm loving the "subtle" jabs at you know who
Hey Geoffrey, when are you going to do a video about lighting? When I look in my bedroom mirror the light hits me from the side and suddently I develop visible abs. It's great! You should do a lighting guide because one way to fight body dysmorpia is to make people feel they look good!
This is honestly not a bad idea. 😁
I'll do a video on BS transformations which will cover that.
That year 5 to year 7 for back is crazy jacked
I get the same comments during physicals based on my weight
Gregs reasoning:
Screeching noises and spastic limb movements
Geoffrey:
Scientific dismantling for 13 minutes
I'm a simple man, I see a GVS upload while I'm at work and can't watch, so I comment for the algorithm all the same.
I agree with this video. I also agree with Goldemort because it’s basically the same thing but drama is a thing.
You explain it A LOT more clearly though.
Okay this is definitely one of my fave channels. Unreal videos Geoff
Dang man your channel is blowing up! I been here since you were much smaller. Congrats!
Thanks! :)
In my maingaining video, I asked Greg that if my waist circumference is small and health markers are great, what the hell does not seeing clear abs have to do with being healthy. Plenty of people walk around UNDER 20% without visible abdominals so clearly it is a poor screen for that too.
And we've all seen your video. Has Greg said no abs are unhealthy? Thought he just said no abs means you're fat, which is coming from a former ifbb pro so it's obviously a skewed perspective
@@rockyevans1584 So he can live in lalaland and use words to mean whatever he wants to an audience of people that don't have the knowledge to know when he's talking bologna.
@@ProphetFear you're twisting his words. The last guy id like to defend is Greg, he's an absolute grifter at this point. Very hypocritical of you to misquote him and suggest he's living in lala land. You don't need to invent things, there's a long list of contradictory statements and many obvious mistakes he makes that are worthy of derision
@@rockyevans1584 Greg's intended message or contextual message falls flat when his actual impact was keeping skinny kids skinny and weak, doesn't matter his words.
@@ProphetFear Greg's advice is for beginner lifters who have no actual motivation. Same as athlean x. Grifters that anyone with a decent head on their shoulders will move past quickly. Words absolutely matter, you even said he's using words in order to push his agenda. Your argument loses all validity the second you misquote someone. His words may not be accurate, but if you take issue with what he's saying then you'd better quote accurately the things he's saying you take issue with
Ab definition is also a fat cell location issue, which is genetic. Some people have a genetic preponderance of fat cells covering their abs, while others can have a higher BF percentage and yet have cut abs. This is true especially for women. Given a man and a woman at the same BF percentage, the woman would also certainly have better looking abs than the guy.
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 No, it is not. My comment was about where bodyfat is located. Men tend to have it in their abdominal region, but women don't (they tend to store it in their bust and hips). That pattern is genetic. As I
said, a woman with a BF of X will tend to be leaner in the midsection than a man with a BF of X.
He already went over this in the video
This is true.. I carry most of my fat on my legs/back/face and not my stomach. I can see my top 4 abs at 17-18% bf still. Now if I want to see those bottom two abs.. I'd need to be like 12% bf.
I'm so glad I found your channel a few months ago.
As naturals we should start ignoring most of the juice users and actually listen to the natural lifters.
Now regarding the video those are some excellent points and they actually make sense. The "if you can't see your abs you are fat" reasoning is stupid.
Well said! Thank you for these true no bullshit logic and reasonings! It’s starting to get ridiculous with what these fitness influencers are saying
You are one of my list now along with Sean Nalewanyj, and Revival Fitness.
I already ditched the big channels whom have turned into villains(Greg Doucette, Jeff Nippard, etc).
What makes Nippard a villain?
Great video Geoff, a lot of people need to see this
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My one wish for 2022 is see Mark Rippetoe and Greg Doucette "debate" maingaining. It'll be a shitshow, but at this point you might as well find some joy in the chaos.
Prety good examples shown and a well rounded outlook.
I always find BMI interesting. My coach is 6'0, 230lbs, with a rather lean physique, and vascularity, but he is obese and has a 30 bmi?
Longterm maybe he'd benefit from losing sheer size, but I don't think someone can tell me "we need a major weight loss phase, now!"
While BMI isn't good, it's more accurate for the average person rather than someone who has tons of muscle.
Me as a beginner: 22 BMI , 21% BF.
Thank you for this one Geoffrey. IT will stay a reference for me on the Topic of abs. Really needed to hear all of what you said.
Very happy to have subscribed to your channel few months ago.
Wish you the best with your strength training goals.
Glad it was helpful and thanks for the support!
Geoff, just got your book. Felt like I had to after all the great content you’ve provided. I’m newish to lifting at 43yr (7 months in) and I’m still weak but getting better. Dropped my bf from 28-28% to 22%. Hopefully 15% Is doable. Had to send some support my man. Keep it up.
Appreciate that, enjoy it!
Thanks for explaining diff. Between Visceral and subcutaneous fat.
Keep the videos coming broseph!
Looking yoked man!
Great vid as always👊
psychopath characteristics matching up with me exactly has given me much to think about...anyway great video as usual!
Word of the day with Geoffrey.
Thats why I follow Big Lennys ABS advice.
I'm so glad Greg doucette made that video about you in the past, where he stole your money. If it wasn't for that video I don't know if I would've found you and now I'm just watching every video you put out and quickly become one of my favorites. You're in the top tier list alongside Sean, will Tennyson, Alpha destiny and recently revival fitness :)).
That point on Fat Storage tho is UNDERRATED. I'm one of these guys that has literally no fat anywhere else on my body except my stomach. In order for my abs to show, I'd have to be less than 10% bf & that's just not feasible. Besides as an insulin dependent diabetic who gives shots in his stomach, it's less painful having some fat there 😂😂😂.
Great video and great points and explanation
People can have excess fat/skin on their body, it doesn't mean they are the dreaded "fat" word. I was 153 down from 250 at 5'10", no chance I was ever going to see an ab close to my belly button since it was all loose skin and a bit of fat. Now that I lean bulked up to 193 over 3 years, my waist is still the same 34." I have never been healthier or happier at my new weight which has been a lot of muscle. BMI SHMEEMI, biomarkers are the real judge of health and not the guy who has ab anxiety and yells at a screen. Nice video on this topic Geoff, thanks!
I personally agree with Greg if you're lifting recreationally or bodybuilding. If you're trying to powerlift competitively or bulking to improve any sort of strength performance I think not having abs is fine
But as a note you would still be considered fat
Very good points about abs being subjective and dependent on genes so it's not a reliable factor (alone) to know if someone is fat or not.
Hope you have a great day :)
You too!
Like you said, some people haven't developed their abs at all. If you've only weight lifted and never played sports as a kid or worked out your core, your core may be very weak and underdeveloped. Sports develop your core A LOT. Almost everyone on my soccer team had a 6 pack back in the day lol.
Had this discussion with a friend who was all "why you working abs? I got abs and all I did was squat and deadlift." Yeah but you also were a wrestler in high school, I haven't played any sports since I was ten so I probably don't have anything to reveal under the fat if I don't do some ab work now.
Buy his book please, it will be your best purchase of this year!
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Bro I have been using my abs a guide for my training for a year now. Six pack is why I want to look good (summer and it takes effort). Top four a maintenance phase (no effort and gains are slow). Top two and half (gains are easy and food is ummy). I switch between these every few months depending on how I feel.
Great points. Especially like how you mentioned if you've never trained abs how can you expect to see them. This is not discussed enough. This whole idea of everyone has abs, you just need less fat is nonsense. My abs didn't show until I had enough muscle mass built up.
I followed he who should not be named advice for compounds creating large good abs and got literally nowhere. I have been training abs for about 3 weeks and have already made significant changes in definition. I'm really not even that skinny. Somewhere between 15 ti 17 percent bodyfat ish. Pretty sure if I keep working on it I'll have decent abs by the end of the year all things going well. So glad this BS is coming to light.
Great video. Especially the takeaway about being empathetic. I bought who-shall-not-be-named’s Training Book, and although most of the information was good, it wasn’t worth $200. There were very little variation in the training plans. Like I hated training “legs and biceps” because it came right after a back day. It’s like what if you don’t like training legs and biceps? A training book worth $200 should have a vast variety of programs for many types of training preferences. That book just demonstrated his narcissism, since it featured his preferential training splits. However, I won’t call him a psychopath because he has some level of consciousness of what he’s doing.
A thing to add, admittedly for a small population: huge weight loss fucks up your aesthetics like abs, a bag of loose skin around your lower stomach is going to look fatter and hide more of your abdominals than if you'd not previously been fat. Admittedly if you've recently lost a ton of weight you should be conservative with bulking to reduce regain.
Word, I'm medically obese! Why can't I Larsen press 500 lbs yet?
Based freedom of speech gang
Solid edit!!
I'm on the shorter side with my 5'8.5", so it's really easy for my BMI to reach 30. In fact, it was over 30 until just recently. I was under 18% bodyfat and obese. I always find it disappointing when I'm cutting and stop being obese, but it'll come back.
3:48 Geoff I hope you've been researching Bronze era bodybuilders. I know you love the Silver era guys but the Bronze era is where it all began.
Traps and upper back becoming like kamazo the manslayer
Dude I am so busy right now watching RF response. see you in a min
Understandable, that's some fine UA-cam fitness tennis they are playing.
"...your organs and visceral fat. You don't want this shit." So, you're telling me to lose a kidney or two, right?
I hear they sell pretty well.
Oof, that call-out at the end!😂
oh man Greg made a video stating Cbum does not bulk , Cbum release video same week stating hes going to be putting on 30 lbs ....
He who shall be Maingained 4:49
1:23 looking ready to take flight with those back gains haha
Most of the population are either obese ( untrained ) or have zero muscle mass, the latter of which, in Greg’s eyes would be fat still. Work your ass off for 5-10 years and and those abs should pop out regardless how big you get. 👌🏻
Omfg the Harry Potter sequence killed me.🤣🤣🤣😁
I have abs. They are not visible. I don't give a fuck. My doctor says I'm in good health. In the last month, I have outboxed people who do have abs and are 10 years younger than me - my cardio is excellent for what I do. I don't have a visible six-pack but I'm healthy. And I'm happy. And Greg, in my opinion, is too obsessed with aesthetics - I'd much rather feel good. Again, not saying one is better than the other... I'd just be fit physically and mentally and look reasonably ok than be pumped with sauce and have visible abs and be a slave to (and promote) what I consider body dysmorphia. Also... Greg's definition of "FAT" seems weird. And his video is clickbait.... which he's already backpedaling. Thank you for making this video.
I no longer concern myself with a six pack as I have now moved to a pony keg.
I saw you used some footage of the "bony to beastly" program. Would love to see your review/opinion on their program!
Just random pics I grabbed from google image search, but can maybe do a vid.
@@GVS Releasing a majorly updated version this month or next if you want to hold out a bit. The workout program is already updated. Happy to get you a review copy. Let us know!
@@BonytoBeastly yea sure, best way would be to email me, in the description
@@GVS Cool. Email sent. Let me know if you don't get it :)
Another great video that echoes some stuff I was thinking about in Greg's response. I think homeboy just spends so much time with enhanced body builders and noobs with body dysmorphia who look like them that his views on this subject are skewed. Like I bet he's seen skinny fat people who want to go bloatlord and now he's overcorrecting because of it. But the no ab=fat thing is such an asinine argument to make unless you're busting chops with your friends, which is what I used to think before he doubled down. Especially when he had a video like 2 days later, about how having abs isn't important to the health of many people.
Great video as usual!
I see guys on bulking always get super bloating? For example : Aplha Destiny
Why this happen? food choice? or if we bulk we are automatically to get bloated?
This is make our measurement (with tape) is nonsense since we measure together the bloating effects and that is not pure gainz.
Let's bulk not bloated.
Partly food choices partly just overall calories/fat gain.
Good point bro
I love the subtle joke of easily gaining those 4 pounds of muscle in a month
Another problem with Greg is that I am starting to think that, being as smart and knowledgeable as he is, he does not fully understand how abs work at least in a natty person. He advocates not training them at all because him, a juiced up 8/9 % BF bodybuilder, has very good abs definition and does not feel the need to add isolated abs work to make them look better. He seems to be completely unaware of what a good ab training (and not meaning of course 7 mins high reps fancy incluencers workouts of crunches and stuff like this) can make in order to make them popping out even through significant layers of fat, while some others might have to say goodbye when they go over 14/15% simply because they paid attention to Greg insistent statement about not having to include isolated series for abs
I'm a greg follower. And I have thought this too. Like bro why you skipping core stability day? Lifting heavy is good but not all.
Gregs vid was a wake-up call, I`m obese and in denial. Gotta put the fork down and start fasting.
According to BMI, Arnold was almost morbidly obese. Enough said..
Hey, Geoffrey, kinda off-topic, but are you going to review Powerbuilding 2.0?
Great video btw
I might eventually yea but no immediate plans.
I can't wait until [REDACTED] makes his apology video in like a week, then proceeds to not change his use of language moving forward
The lowest I’ve gone in awhile was 14stone ? Which is really light for me ..
Didn’t have abs.. but I remember looking in the mirror and thinking “Fuck I look skinny”… maybe I did or maybe I didn’t but I wasn’t happy with how I looked ..
(6ft btw)
Abs are overrated imo. Too many people get caught up in always wanting to see their abs that they make no progress. I made amazing progress once I stopped worrying about being lean and got on that bulk train. Now I'm what some consider "fat" but I'm a lot stronger and healthier
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In my opinion, when I say obese, I am referring to the technical form, like an elevated BMI. When I say fat, I am referring to appearance regardless of BMI. So, in my opinion, someone can both have a healthy BMI and also appear "fat".
The issue is a healthy BMI doesn't always mean you are healthy. If you have a low enough amount of muscle mass and are 30%bf as a man you could be obese with a overweight BMI (guesstimating). Same with a high enough muscle mass and a healthy bf% being a non healthy BMI.
@@hernandez9350 I understand this very well. I guess I should have placed "healthy" in quotes. All I'm saying is that when I hear someone (unnamed) say someone is fat, I understand that to mean that they are visually fat and not automatically medically obese.