WATCH exclusive bonus content where *Hannah* answers audience questions. CLICK the link: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Intro 01:24 Hannah Barnes’ Background 03:34 Ignoring the Gender Conversation 05:17 What Motivated Hannah to Write? 08:06 The Meaning of “Major Trauma” & “Major Interventions” 10:53 Why Journalists Are Careful Around Medical Malpractice on Children 14:35 A Major Medical Scandal? 22:03 What Is The Process of Going Through a Gender Clinic? 28:29 Why Was Giving Children Puberty Blockers Ever Allowed? 30:38 The Criteria For Puberty Blockers 33:15 Sponsor Message: Shopify 35:03 Ideology Vs Patient Care at Tavistock 39:25 Did Charities Compromise The Patient Care of Clinics? 40:46 When Did The Medical Community Realise That There was Something Wrong? 45:13 Why Were The Original Concerns in Clinics Not Taken Seriously? 50:06 The Link Between Autism & Gender Dysphoria 52:12 Sponsor Message: Locals 53:15 The Link Between Transitioning & Homosexuality 57:51 Were Puberty Blockers Used To Treat Autism & Homosexuality? 1:00:55 Rapid Increases in Gender Clinic Referrals 1:03:47 The Data of People Who Transition 1:09:46 What State Are Detransitioners Left in? 1:13:10 What’s the One Thing We’re Not Talking About?
please read and give me your honest opinion... you are one of the very few people i think will "get it" ty for reading and i enjoy your channel 1. feminism convinces women that they are a victim with an abuser (patriarchy), with no solution but misery 2. social justice convinces minorities that they are a victim with an abuser (systemic racism), with no solution but misery 3. fat acceptance convinces fat people that they are a victim with an abuser (diet culture), with no solution but misery 4. pride convinces g@y people that they are a victim with an abuser (god), with no solution but misery satanism convinces you that you are external from the universe and it is your abuser, with no solution but misery this abuser/abused dichotomy is satanism and it has no solution... it only seeks to divide, because loneliness is misery and it makes us very easy to control these 5 ideologies are exactly the same, it's why the arguments for them are exactly the same 💕
this is why "god" and republicans fail when fighting wokeism... you can view this universe from 2 different perspectives because you are actually 2 things... you are a single being with your own thoughts and desires and you are also woven into this universe, as a collective of atoms, you are the universe 1. the more you live in the perspective of a single being, worshipping the self, the more divisive, the more alone, the more miserable you will become (satanism, the religion of the self) 2. the more you live in the perspective of the collective, the more belonging you feel with the universe and everyone in it, this perspective will bring you peace and contentment in this world, it will give you purpose atheists think in the perspective of self, but so do religious people... as soon as you introduce a personal god into your religion, then you left the perspective of the collective and entered the perspective of self and introduced satanism into your religion, this is why our fake religions of today can pump out so much evil into our world wokeism, social justice, 3rd wave feminism is all just satanism in disguise, it's sole purpose is to divide... and you can see the result of it... men thinking they're women, beating up women in rugby while we all celebrate it as "progressive" satanism, viewing existence from the perspective of self breeds insanity
and finally, your existence explained... 1. god appears in nonexistence, because we have free will here 2. free will negates a god 2. paradoxes appear in nonexistence because of the nature of a paradox, it can never exist 3. logic is what negates a paradox, so it cannot be in nonexistence, it must exist 4. logic cannot appear in nonexistence, because paradoxes have to by definition 5. there is no logic in nonexistence and that's why we can conceptualize paradoxes but they can't actually exist here in our reality knowing there are no logic constraints in nonexistence... does god exist? yes, in nonexistence it does does god not exist? yes, in existence and nonexistence it doesn't does god exist and not exist? in nonexistence yes and no to both and every variation in between, at the same time, and also not at all, there's no logic there to dictate otherwise does it matter if you're an "proud atheist" or believe in sky daddy in the context of your life? no, because you may or may not experience dying, but you'll never experience death... spending your precious life worrying about death is as logical as you worrying about your birth, you won't experience either, that is how you find safety next to chaos 💕 nonexistence matters as much as dark energy or whatever force is pushing the universe apart... nonexistence matters... just because to us it's not detectable doesn't mean it's useless information in figuring out what we're all doing here thank you for reading
How about a real conversation on the westernized social construct and how it is purposely predetermined and rigged. All of the westernized social issues are made up and do not exist in objective real life which you people are opposed to. Why are you westernized socially engineered so called white people so delusional and mentally ill? Why does your society resemble a mental ward?
My head nearly exploded when she said, I work for the BBC and we pride ourselves on impartially. Bull shit. The BBC, aside maybe from this journalist, has been shockingly supportive to and partial to gender ideology.
I believe they are sincere in their aim for impartiality but the people who work there have certain unintentional biases based on the background they come from. You need to have a certain level of education and family resources to get a job at the BBC in the first place.
@@RandomGuyOnUA-cam601 me too she lies so much the taberstock close and is being expanded to make it more accessible for people’s needs. If she cared about children why is not talking about the rise in. Child hunger or rise in child poverty or that the schools meals is usually the only food the child will have that day. More important than people receiving health care
I'd say nearer to 100%... In fact, even the "genuine" cases won't improve their lives without love and acceptance anyway. But love and acceptance doesn't make money for pharmaceutical companies and doesn't look good on the graphs for NHS service efficiency.
Also guidance and figures of authority. Nowadays parents don’t offer sucurity through setting boundaries any more. Children are left alone and without orientation in a madly spinning world. As a consequence, they don’t know left from right, up from down any longer and have no safe things they can trust as a basis for their lives. Very sad.
Thing is that is basically how western medical systems work. Really good for battle field wombs. But lifestyle stuff is a joke. I literally seen the major header of a medium size city local newspaper state : "eating healthy is good for you." Twenty years ago. Thing is, our schools are producing people who demand this simple bs. Look at the masses! People expect simple anwers to complex questions. Therefore we get it. Because masses wont alow for complex answers. Its a web that we all beg for! Therefore we will go extinct and the world will continue. No point in getting existential about it!
Yep, she's a True Believer. Trans ideology had gotten SO dogmatic, that even if you SHARE their 100% evidence-free belief in sex-independent """gender""", belief in 100% physiologically typical men who are "REALLY women" (in whatever mystical, pseudo-spiritual sense), and in "non-binary" people who are "neither male OR female" (again, in some mystical, pseudo-religious sense; These people are EXACTLY as female, or in rarer cases male, as ANY other teen girl..), even if you BELIEVE ENTIRELY in their 100% faith-based, evidence-free religion, you are STILL not safe from being cancelled as a "transphobe" (ie a "heathen" non-believer),and cast out of the Temple of academia/medicine. Our schools, medical system, often the courts, police and government are ALL beholden to an ENTIRELY faith-based religious belief system (primarily based around belief in sex-independent "gender"; Basically "the soul", with a paint job), that has ZERO basis in empirical evidence... THE EVIDENCE says that there is ONLY evidence-based biologcal sex... that (sex-independent) """gender""" is A COMPLETE FICTION...
@@baconsarny-geddon8298 I appreciate your use of religious language; I've been saying the same thing since 2018 when the Lord began showing me the writing on the wall. You're probably saying "Wait what?!?"" Why is she condemning religion when she sounds just as religious?" & I would answer "Good question" & my answer to that question would would be I have no problem whatsoever with anyone practicing their religion, what I have a very BIG problem with is "Join our religion OR ELSE!" In my religion IE: Christianity, which ISN'T synonymous with what misguided & deceived person's did, or do in the "name of Christianity", but true Christianity in which Jesus knocks (He doesn't bust down the door) & INVITES individuals to follow Him. In the Church of Woke (for which transgenderism is a core doctrine) THERE IS NO CHOICE & where Jesus offers grace, the Church of Woke confers shame. I actually believe the Bible talks about false-religion, whether it takes the form it did during the Dark Ages, or now with what may possibly (I don't know yet what only The Father knows) turn into a GLOBAL State Church (headed by "you know who" 666). But I digress, the main point I wanted to share has to do with constructs; ever heard that term (I suspect you have)? I argue that constructs are real & they're whatever man (society) builds outside of the truth. Is gender a construct? No, has it & can it be turned into one? YES! Satan has always deceived man into building constructs, whether they're: race; gender-fluidity; whiteness; blackness; toxic masculinity; perfect, white-glove Suzy Homemaker, or today's iteration "trad-wives"; or "manly men" who never cry; etc.. Here's the funny part, those most critical of constructs are generally the ones you'll find hard at work building all new ones. The truth is "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; MALE and FEMALE he created them." (Genesis 1:27). The truth is some men prefer to make beautiful works of art over hunting & fishing & some women love mountain climbing & adventure & some men love to be in the kitchen creating amazing dishes, while some women love sports. I'm NOT saying femininity & masculinity don't exist, I'm SAYING the enemy takes God's glorious, complex creation & corrupts it in part by using what's true (men who like to cook & create, women Who God made to love dirty, muddy adventure) & turning it into a LIE (construct). The good news is ALL constructs are destined to fall, bc they're built on a foundation that's a lie. Just remember, it's easy to find a grain of what's true in a lie (think caricatures & stereotypes), but we'll NEVER find a lie in the TRUTH!
I'm reading her book. It's shocking. Just finished a chapter where a child stopped taking puberty blockers after 4 years and no one has contacted them to follow them up. How do you say that PBs are "completely reservable" if they don't do follow up data collection? I hope they are sued and shut down
"I work for the BBC and we are absolutely committed to impartiality" - Am I in a weird parallel universe?!? The BBC is about as far from impartial as you can get, especially when it comes to identity politics issues.
The BBC is so wrapped up in itself that it literally cannot see itself as anything but impartial. They are a self-affirming clique who only come across a small range of opinions...and if they come across someone outside that range they are horrified. The North Sentinalese are exposed to a broader range of opinion than the average BBC functionary.
"Fear of being called transphobic" leading to children being mutilated is the same mechanism as "Fear of being called racist" leading to children being abused. Freedom to speak honestly is fundamental to a civilised society.
I don't know why people blindly trust doctors. When you look at the history of medical malpractice even the history of cruel psychological experiments you understand that doctors aren't Gods. Many just think they are.
@@beecat9951 actually it has studies from cornell, Oxford, Cambridge and Pittsburgh have said medical health outcomes have been improved by 45-56 percent by gender affirming care
This lady is playing it super safe. There's a lot of "mental gymnastics" from her side where she doesn't really try to condemn someone/something and really stretches out her answers. The moment I've finished I started to think she's lying and hiding a lot of truth.
I imagine she has to play it safe, in a sense. I agree she is too lenient and kind although I don’t entirely disagree that many probably didn’t know better and meant well (that path to Hell though, paved with so many good intentions!) it’s similar to those who argued many Nazis were just obeying orders. Some knee more than others, yes, but ultimately harm has been done. I also am quite displeased how much she played down the impact and the sheer amount of those who have had their natural bodies destroyed by this. Granted, she could have threats in her life or her family. I can’t blame someone, especially a woman, for being cautious when those who oppose are extremists and openly violent. That said, people need to stand up for what is right! Maybe it is human nature, I’m not yet sure, but it’s absurd how many have stayed silent or let it all go because they found excuses or simply lacked the courage. At least she is speaking up with some valid points.
She's just another fish looking for some crumbs - fame and money [any family that ever went to the Tavistock will be looking for their $ cut - and some will exaggerate to anyone who will listen] - she has no medical qualifications, but that wont stop a journo getting something in before the courts
Problem is that when you are that blunt, people will stop listening and just put you away as a transphobe. Her nuance is what made her revelations much more effective.
@@mensmans9241 For some people maybe. But for me, what really opened my eyes to the absolute horrors involved in the trans-industrial machine, was hearing the real life stories of actual detransitioners. This is why I really appreciate Benjamin Boyce. He has a very calm, measured approach that puts both his guests and audience at ease...but then he gets to the really difficult, hard to hear reality of what exogenous hormones and mutilated bodies really amounts to. You can hit the right note and be hard hitting, whilst not coming across as crude, or hard to listen to. And I know people will say that what this journalist wrote was a book full of data and that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but it actually is. And this journalist can go back to her life, do whatever the BBC chooses to send her off to next, without it having much of an effect on her own life. The detransitioners cannot put the clock back and as such remain incredibly difficult to hear, but essential to give platforms to and pay attention to. Because when you put a face, a young face, on the issue at hand, it really hits home what's being done.
@@bad-girlbex3791 Exactly. Hearing the real-life stories in detail of their experience is what illustrates the problem. In science, it's a Case Study and is just as valid as a page of numbers. Generally, the Case Study comes first, to provide information that can later be deli sliced and studied in detail to provide that page of numbers and statistics. This occurs often in psychology. How do we know what to study if we don't have a case?
Shame. Seen videos of German citizens forced to march through death camps to look at what was going on right under their noses? They didn't feel very proud.
She contradicts herself. No, they weren't ideologues, but they "believed" is was the right thing to do, and the trans people are "marginalised" and worries about "transphobia". They were ideologues. You had to be to take part in this abuse.
@@chrisbfreelance you're right. Because that's an actual disease requiring treatment, whereas this is stupid teenagers obsessed with fitting in or being special. No organ is sick here, there is no medical intervention required.
No, she didn't contradict herself. They can believe it to be the right thing to do for reasons other than ideology. Namely, they can believe that the contemporary scientific evidence shows that treatment is the right thing to do.
True, but I also heard dogmatic standpoint epistemology in there, and then there was that bit about 'his period'. Ideology. She can't acknowledge what has brought us here, because the whole suit of armour would fall off. Sad.
Its weird cos shes wrote a book “exposing this as a medical scandal of abuse” - yet believes the nonsense that causes this abuse in the first place. Shes culpable in this abuse as well
I agree the tiptoeing around tentative hypothesise that maybe the bleeding obvious just ‘might’ be one explanation of what’s happened here made me want to throw things. What a mealy mouthed vague nod to the truth that will get us nowhere. Painful to watch is right.
But at least she is not just spouting the propaganda of Stonewall, Mermaids, Owen Jones and Costa Coffee and admits things have gone too far, even if she is obviously censoring herself so as to keep her job with the BBC, and perhaps her own self-image and social identity as a trendy leftish BBC reporter.
Do Brits have an allergy to being straightforward or something? It’s incredible how people tap dance around the truth on that island over some warped sense of morality.
she wont even make eye contact. she is a grifter. she does not actually believe any of this, she just has a cushy job being the gate keeper to child mutilation. i hope this haunts her for eternity.
Now that I've watched more of this, I realise her insistence that the staff weren't ideologues. It's because she doesn't recognise one, being one herself. She says it's not for her to question, "he got his periods", "natal sex", etc. She still believes, despite her own evidence, that "trans" is actually something real and tangible. It's not.
Hannah Barnes asks "how could we possibly tell" whether the increase in children being treated for gender dysphoria was due to increased social acceptance or due to social contagion. Well, here's a couple suggestions. 1. The increase in referrals was overwhelmingly among a single demographic: teenage girls. Did society become more "accepting" of a trans identification among this one demographic? Why wasn't there a proportionate increase in boys being seen? 2. Most of those who argue for the "social acceptance" hypothesis tend to believe that a) trans is an innate identity and b) failing to affirm a trans identity is likely to lead to suicide. If "trans kids" have always existed, but were only able to access "gender-affirming care" very recently, we would in previous decades have observed thousands of unaffirmed "trans kids" killing themselves every year. And this should have decreased concomitantly with the increase in kids being "affirmed". Specifically, in the UK, we should see from about 2013 onwards an exponential decline in child suicide due to the exponential increase in children being "affirmed" with blockers and cross-sex hormones. It didn't happen.
Abigail Shria also makes the point that if it is increased social acceptance, then we should most likely see an increase in trans people across all age ranges, which is not the case.
You attribute the only reason for child suicide to be affirmation or non-affirmation of gender and that we should see a direct correlation between current methods and suicide figures if current methods were working. Politely and most respectfully, no. Life is so much more complicated than that, and I know you know that.
In the UK there are about 700 child suicides a year. And every year thousands of children are referred to the Gender Identity Development Service, a significant proportion of whom are referred for endocrinological interventions which we are told are "life-saving". So every year you have hundreds of children being given "life-saving" care that wasn't available to cohorts 10 years prior. That is such a large number that it has to have to have *some* effect on the 700 suicides per year. There should be some statistical signal. You could argue that there actually *was* a huge drop off in suicides among gender dysphoric kids (and especially teenage girls), but that noone noticed because it was masked by an even greater increase in suicides due to other cause(s) (the child suicide rate continued to increase coincident with the expansion in "gender-affirming" care). Doubtful, if you ask me, but you're welcome to believe it. To be fair, you can get around the argument by acknowledging what is now obvious to everyone: gender dysphoria does not have a uniquely high suicide rate but one that is broadly in line with other mental health issues like bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder etc. See the Danish study released a couple of weeks ago. But if this is true, the justification for experimental hormonal interventions disappears.@@brain1fluff
Here’s another thing to consider. If something was genuinely due to biological reality then once you have a fully anonymous survey, you should see broadly the same prevalence across all age groups, all cultures, all regions and countries, all educational backgrounds and all social strata What we actually see is completely the opposite. Be it transsexuality or homosexuality. Ergo it isn’t actually a natural biological effect, but largely a disorder affected by social contagion.
@@brain1fluff OP isn't saying suicides would fall to zero, the fact you say you know they know life is more complicated says that you should of reflected on the fact that maybe you read their point incorrectly.
She talks about how all these butchers and their aids felt like being “like a family”. Sounds like a cult to me and Dr. Mengele comes to mind. It amazes me the way these atrocities being performed on children are discussed about so matter-of-factly.
It doesn’t matter if a 12 year old has had many hours of counseling! They do not have the executive functioning necessary to make a life altering decision at that age.😢
She finds it so dificult to admit anything because she is one of them. How can you as journalist write a whole book about a subject and everything ends in "they didn't collect that data and i don't know why"
*The extreme and unbelievable caution that this person is showing throughout the interview, whilst in fact she's only speaking common sense, says it all on how much into the wrong direction we've all been led to go...*
It was odd though, she sometimes contradicted herself to snap back to common sense. Given her answers she seems untrustworthy even if well meaning and compassionate.
if anything it alarmed me that the system then itself should have been suspended in the meantime rather than running patients/clients through vague/undecided criteria >
Glad you interviewed her, but she’s difficult to listen to because she speaks as if she’s terrified of saying anything she actually thinks. I also don’t think anyone familiar with the issues would appreciate her take on the media’s role in this. The BBC is, at this moment, fully complicit in this harm.
All these people in the medical, média and political world at all levels who were complicit in all this are guilty of crimes against humanity. According to international laws a minor cannot in good conscience consent to be mutilated for life. They committed a crime against humanity, it's as simple as that. Criminals, and there is no valid excuse since they are supposed to be the intellectual elite on duty to protect the weak, the minor. But on top of that they ostracized parents and force-fed impressionable minors with obscene propaganda to influence them. Just as a reminder, the Nuremberg tribunal was full of doctors.
Yeah I see what you mean. However, she has done fantastic work in investigating this. I think her reluctance to be too opinionated will mean people will listen to her. I've spoken to a few people about this and in moments I've said exactly what I think, people don't like it and they switch off. Maybe this is just the approach we need. Agree the whole thing is frustrating. So upset with the BBC on this issue but kudos to Hannah Barnes.
The BBC are promoting this dangerous ideology. What I find baffling is how Gay&Lesbians Organisations help promote the demise of Gay & Lesbian people. Stonewall should be defunded. Getting Government/Taxpayers money is a scandal.
Yeah she's making a lot of excuses for people. Basically explained corruption but waived it away as "they didn't know". On top of that, she's clueless on the psychological issues themselves and didn't bother doing basic research on the topic.
This was very hard to watch. Hannah comes across as an apologist for the Tavistock clinic and gender re-assignment in general. What happened is beyond negligence. It's just incredible. When I see stuff like this, I think, as Churchill feared, we are sinking into ". . . the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science."
There’s one thing we can all agree on, this woman is just terrified to say the wrong thing. The question I have is who is she so afraid of? Probably the BBC and the transgender community.
Indeed. I think even supporters of this absurd ideology could agree that there is a mismatch between the body and the mind. In which case why is mutilating the body seen as the correct course of action rather than trying to change the mind with far less invasive measures first?
A century ago and a century in the future that born in the wrong body rubbish will sound as completely insane as it is. Just what? Fascinating how easily people go insane with a little bit of fear. Bella L
I think they genuinely think that they are, but they also think certain things that are obviously ideological nonsense to most people are undebatable fact in their bubble.
@@mostevil1082. The BBC as a corporation maybe impartial, but their journalists definitely aren’t. They report to create narratives that suit they’re own views and opinions. They do not give balance to their reporting
They live in a bubble of like minded people so they think their political beliefs are inalienable truths, like water is wet. It's not bias if 'everyone' agrees (apart from the deplorables who are beyond the pale).
Yeah, I woke up to this sad truth last year during the Depp vs. Heard trial when all liberal media sided 100% with Heard despite all the evidence because, feminism!
What amazes and shocks me is that supposedly intelligent people think/thought that a child who was dysphoric about their sex was best treated by "affirming" their delusion of being "born in the wrong body". Their wishing to change sex is clearly a symptom of deeper issues - treat those problems effectively and the dysphoria is likely to fade away.
Disgusting that ornagisations like Stonewall and Mermaids (and others) have been allowed to embed themselves so deeply into our society through academic institutions, media and politics to spread their religious and cult-like insideous agenda to the masses, been allowed to silence critics or even anyone with basic safeguarding questions and given no oversight or checks and balances and tragic for so many that the NHS has gone along with it this far. This is a Scandal and social contagion on a global scale and we must stand up to it.
It's 100% a faith-based RELIGIOUS belief (which this woman SHARES); They have an evidence-free belief that such these kids have "a male SOUL,in a female body" (or vice versa). They'll DENY it, if you word in those terms... Same way many Christians or Muslims will deny that they believe in "a magic trick", in the story of Jesus and the loaves and fishes, or Mohammed splitting the moon... ALL RELIGIONS get very particular, when you describe their beliefs, in terms that treat them like any OTHER religion's beliefs; Because that's just part of BEING religious- Belief that "all those OTHER religions are irrational and false... But MY religion is different... Because MY religion is actually THE REAL TRUTH about reality!!!" ...Which is fine, if they ADMIT their beliefs are a faith-based religion; I'm not taking a swipe at Christianity, or Islam, or Judaism, or Scientology for having superntural beliefs. Because religions are MEANT to be all about supernatural, metaphysical beliefs... ...but it becomes a problem, when you DON'T acknowledge your beliefs as being "religious", and instead try to force EVERYONE to pretend to believe in men who are """REALLY women""" (in some mystical, undetectable sense that CAN ONLY be taken on faith...), or in people being """ non-binary""" and """neither male OR female""" (again, in some mystical, RELIGIOUS sense, since PHYSICALLY these people are EXACTLY as female/male as EVERY OTHER member of their real-world, evidence-based sex...) So, (sex-independent) """gender""" isn't JUST a religion... it's also a FAR MORE AUTHORITARIAN RELIGION, that even the most fundamentalist versions of Christianity, or even (Western) Islam- So authoritarian, they feel entitled to demand that EVERYONE must pretend to share their beliefs: That the religious entitlements of ONE man IN their religion (eg William "Lia" Thomas") out-weighs the rights of HUNDREDS of women who DON'T share their religious beliefs (eg, all the women in that swimming comp, forced to pretend to believe that Thomas somehow ISN'T a man, all the evidence-based advantages in size, strength, lung capacity etc, that come with his maleness). Our gov'ts, schools, academia etc are beholden to a religion, which relies on IDENTICAL evidence (ie NO verifiable empirical evidence), and IDENTICAL standard of evidence ("but it FEEELS true, to me!!"/"just trust me bro"), as every other religion in world history...
I can't wrap my head around that one, either. This doesn't apply to her, back then, however, now, a new law is in place that makes it illegal for doctors or therapists to disagree with whatever the kid thinks he is. Idk if you are aware of this, but, all this is happening due to the influence from CRT and post modernism which are types of neo-Marxism. So, before CRT entered the K-12 schools, it swept thru all the federal agencies...FBI, White House, Military and so on, without any restraints. My point is, ppl with high-level careers who are very career-minded are going to put up with anything to keep their career moving fwd. That is not an excuse, but something the ppl who started all this, understood well.
I have to agree with many of the other comments here. Hannah is far too ‘diplomatic’ and quite frankly unwilling to call a spade and spade. It’s this tentative approach that has allowed this scandal to happen. It would appear that the vast majority of the general public finds what has happened, and is still happening, as wholly unacceptable yet she seems to try to justify what was done to children. It’s this approach that leads to terms such as ‘minor attracted people’
“Impartial” is working really hard in her case. More like eggshells. Goodness, her caginess was palpable. The part when she dances around “boys, registered male, or assigned male at birth… whatever language you want to use” show just an utter wishy-washy, weak respect for actual communication. And this is a journalist. Don’t be like this. Be bold, not timid.
What the heck is a family you can't argue with? I get along with my close family quite well and we have still argued occasionally over various things. Then there are bit more distant relatives and we have argued a lot more.
It's like talking to someone who has escaped from a cult, she is so broken she is trying to hind behind "No one is deliberately harming kids", now imagine the people she referred to as "ideologues" and how bad they must be? This is just horrific.
It doesn't even really matter what their intentions were, the harm has been done. It's like saying, "well, I wasn't intending to hurt anyone when I was firing my gun into the open city air. It's just an unfortunate side effect that someone got hit by one of my bullets."
There used to be a game show called 'don't say uhm' where contestants had to talk 2 minutes about a certain subject while avoiding saying 'uhm' and a variable word. Talk about cooking and avoid saying 'uhm' and the word 'food' for instance. This... lady. talks. as... hesitant. as. those... contestants. It betrays the level of fear and pressure she's under. This is a subject that will inevitably evoke anger from either or both sides of the argument. It's impossible to not say something 'wrong'. Her mind is twisted in a hopeless ideological pretzel. Very unnerving to watch since imho her weird, hesitant behavior is the embodiment of how the majority of people in society are feeling and behaving today.
Doctors abandoned their Hippocratic oath en masse for fashionability, money and convenience. They did it directly with patients and they did in on committees where they unsubstantiated “standards of care”.
*Doctors abandoned their Hippocratic oath en masse for sadistic paedophilia. They did it directly with patients and they did in on committees where they unsubstantiated “standards of care”.
Firstly, this lady is brave for taking on this issue, because the evidence she discovered challenges her worldview. You can hear the cognitive dissonance in her statements. Let’s be clear; kids were experimented on at the Tavistock. Moreover, those experiments didn’t involve collecting, collating and analysing data to study outcomes. I’m afraid the conclusion I draw is that a pernicious ideology was driving the whole process. In her heart, this lady knows the truth but can’t bring herself to utter it.
Kisin is spot on with his questions in challenging her and trying to get the truth! She’s knows the truth but seems to refuse to believe that there was obvious malicious and purposely neglectful intentions. It’s hard to listen to her, as she seems to know there’s a problem but also struggles to complete a full sentence with genuine honest conclusions.
It's not any different then believing some races where better then another and to manufacture 'evidence' to support your claim but that was very common and still is. We act like we are so evolved from our elders bit we aren't.
it's bizarre that these educated people don't see nature doesn't care what you think or believe, it's all about the physical body, you are male or female simply for procreation and keep the species going, it doesn't matter if you believe you are a man or woman it only matters that you can either bear children or inseminate someone who can
If evolution is true then when does truth evolve to mean its opposite? When does right and wrong evolve to be the opposite? You clowns are just as brainwashed as these pdfile freaks
Yes, she has bought into a lot of it. She has perhaps written a good book - don’t know - but I find her caution, and her acceptance that trans DOES exist, to be part of the problem.
I'm stunned that she came on the show and then worked so incredibly hard not to give any straight answers. And when the hosts tried to engage her with a conclusion she never agreed and frequently contracted herself. Just me?
Her body language reveals a lot. Probably 60% of the time she is speaking to some invisible guest and not looking at the two interviewers. Eyes looking up is the tell tale sign.
It is a difficult topic and i feel she is hasitant to speak more clearly about it because she doesn't have the data to support it. (Because the clinic wouldn't hnd over the data)
‘You can’t say the charities bullied because they’re advocating for what’s best for the people they are representing’ what a joke. They pushed to lower the age of consent which is flat out not in the interest of these young children. People have been hung for less. The World is sleep walking off a moral cliff 😩
She's absolutely right. How do you look back at what you've done and face the travesty you might have been complicit in? Same with parents, same with politicians, same with allies and activists...
These people are supposed to be professionals? They are supposed to know! And many many women have been shouting from the rooftops fior many years before newsnight ever got involved but her impartial bbc denied them air time, therefore silencing them until wonder of wonders the beeb decide hannah and her impartial colleagues can investigate so long as thry don't point the finger. We knew for years what was happening, and while hannahs book is an additional fact based resource in this horrendous situation, I think Andrew Doyle, Douglas Murray, Helen joyce, Jennifer bilek, Kathleen stock et Al provided better evidence based stories of these who went through gids. It was brave to write her book I dont think some if her points seem to be out of date
She'll likely live with a degree of regret for the rest of her days. One way she can cope is to repent! and well do what shes doing on this podcast and expose the malpractice
This woman is the embodiment of "rats leaving a sinking ship". That is the reason for the trembling voice, inability to lay blame and political language.
All public bodies in a nutshell... "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell.
Im sorry, only 5 minutes in and her desire to be seen to not be offensive or a desire to be BBC impartial is grating on a level i didn't think possible. Its like fingernails being dragged down 100 chalkboards all at once
I really appreciated her commitment to trying to be impartial and hope more journalists show such courage. She provided a lot of good information in a way that's very difficult to raise problems with which will enable her message to reach places that those preaching to the choir will never touch. People like her are absolutely indispensable for anyone who cares about changing the status quo more than grandstanding.
Hannah sounds painfully politically correct. He had his periods. Oh come on, Hannah. She thinks she’s being respectful and impartial. I’d say she’s being a coward.
Buying into the language and the madness is never going to stop this. Children are being grossly damaged and there’s no compromise acceptable. Choose when they’re adults, not when young.
@@fenellamaddison6501 Even as adults, it's a huge issue. Your brain isn't even done developing until your mid-twenties, anyway. Even so, if people want to modify their body, it should be done like any other extreme body mod, and NOT marketed as health care.
I think being hardline like this is a big part of the problem for both the gender critical and trans rights activists. Both poles of the argument shaming everyone in the middle who doesn't 100% conform to the language YOU want them to use is not going to get anyone anywhere.
For generations we've wondered how entire societies over the past century could be duped into believing obviously horrendous nonsense. We're witnessing that process now.
This is a great example of someone wrestling with a moral dilemma. She can either a) be honest about what shes found and is obviously bothering her but simultaneously risk betraying her impartial (cough, cough) employer and maybe risk losing her job or b) say the right things that allow her to keep her job, but surrender her integrity. Hence her very unsatisfying, tap dancing, not particularly honest or dishonest answers. No shade toward her though, its a tough position to be in.
I'LL throw her some SHADE! Would she be "walking the tightrope" for these deplorable healthcare professionals if HER child had been given "gender affiming care"?!!
Honestly, I liked her approach. Here is what we found, Here is what we couldn't find, it's not the entire picture because as with everything in life complexities abound, you draw your own conclusion.
Impartial is good when it comes to abusing mentally ill child? What’s wrong with you? This lady is a shit. Need more research to know if this horror is good ??
You gotta nail these snakes to a specific position with specific questions. "At what age can a child transition? At what age is too early - please be specific" "Did you know the drug Lupron, which is now used as a puberty blocker on a child, was used as a chemical castration drug for adult violent sexual predators?" "Why did the patients who were chemically castrated not recover but you say when the medication used as a blocker is now somehow reversible - explain" "Did you know these drugs can cause osteoporosis?" "Tell me about detransition stories youve heard. Were they victims of medical malpractice?" "Should male to female trans people be incarcerated with biological women?" Did you know a huge percentage, if not the majority of phalloplasty and vaginoplasty patients have medical complications?
Yes! THe head of a trans organization announced that PBs make it impossible for women to conceive and impossible for males to ever ejaculate, again. In the UK, any male convict who identifies as female, by law from 2019 or so, he is put into the women's prison. Many of these were in prison for rape and yes, there have been rapings and pregnancies in the women's prison. THe same bill was making its way thru the U.S. Congress a while back. Idk its status.
Helen Joyce recognised that the bland neutrality of the Economist and her wish to ring alarm bells was incompatible. I am afraid this lady has decided the reverse, so much of what she knows is true is wrapped up into generalities. I applaud her work, its an excellent book but training in Oxford and the BBC shines through
Yes, the truth here is harsh and needs to be exposed as such. Generalities and aiming for "neutrality' are not compatible with the harsh truth of what lies behind all of this.
I do agree with you, but I also feel like if we're ever going to get through to large numbers of people on the other side of this issue, I think it's going to take a mixture of approaches to appeal to different types of people. Some people have their eyes open by a more aggressive approach (e.g. Kellie Jay Kean), others are completely put off by her. Some people will be more likely to listen to the BBC style, more gentle approach of Hannah Barnes. There's room for different people to approach this in different ways.
@@kayoss2306 I get that approach, but she has a very particular knowledge base, and her delivery has little clarity, those newly interested will find her explanation contradictory. They meant well but made mistakes is not the story at GIDS/Taverstock.
After 10 or so minutes I had the exact same feeling. Why is she holding back, what is she hiding, what is she afraid of, who is she afraid of. Why is she prevaricating.
@@kingcosworth2643 totally agree. It's also very common for them to admit but minimise a problem once the cat is well and truly out of the bag. It relieves the pressure of public opinion whilst controlling the narative to some degree. It futher helps mitigate the appearance of complicity.
“What’s the worst that can happen?”, she asks! Well here in American people lose their jobs & are stamped with the Scarlett letter on their persona called, “Transphobe”. And look at JK Rowling.
This was hard to watch with how she was terrified of saying the wrong thing! What ever happened to giving children counseling before life changing procedures? Not to mention the money train that is generated when a child is placed on this path!! 100 years from now this will be up there with lobotomies!
This woman was just sitting on the fence, seemingly acknowledging but also tip-toeing around the horror of what has been done and is being done to these children. To me, it just sounded like a woke person who has somewhat of a brain, who clearly sees the destruction wreaked by these sorts of 'medical professionals', but is terrified to say it as it is.
Finally at 1:09:33 Hannah says about Tavistock, “If you don’t have the data… the follow up…[information] how can you be experts? What are you experts in?” This is literally a criminal enterprise practicing child abuse with a smile and “good intentions.” It is an object lesson in catastrophic outcomes when ideological capture takes over an institution and the people tasked with caring for patients/children don’t care as much about their welfare as they do wokefare. Hannah apologizes way too much for The Manson Family that is running the clinic. They all need to lose their licenses to care for anyone, and be charged with assault.
That's called double think and double speak and being a useful idiot, the only thing these pdfiles are committed to is depopulation and destroying the family using women as the tools
What no one is ks willing to say to these people who are suffering is that it is impossible to transition to the opposite sex. This is the biggest hoodwink to ever be pulled off in public.
I'm deeply deeply thankful that Hannah wrote this book. But I have to add, we all KNOW that no one can change sex, and we all KNEW it. This debacle is exemplary as to how trying to be nice by enabling a lie in medicine will destroy lives. First do no harm. Why was this carried out as am experiment?
@@josephsolowyk7697you can still believe that adults can be free to do with their bodies as they wish, and believe that kids cannot do what an adult can do. Transitioning as an adult is an adult choice, it's consensual. Transitioning a child is not consensual by default. You can be ok with adults transitioning, and not ok with what they're doing to kids... Not everyone does everything for money
No, adults are not 100% free to do what they want with their body. In almost every case where someone says “it doesn’t affect anybody else”… it bloody well does further down the line. If you just want to start painting, go for it. If you want to upend social norms built around biological realities, then that does negatively affect others and so even adults should absolutely NOT have the right to do that. And this isn’t controversial: we don’t allow people to murder. We don’t allow others to steal. We don’t allow people to use the hardest level of drugs despite this supposedly just being their choice.
No you can't do with your body as you wish, I mean you LITERALLY can, you could chop off your hand or off yourself in the river, but we shouldn't allow that sort of behaviour. I'm bringing back ethics and logic your comment has been utterly disavowed.@@meowmeow797
A member of my family, a young girl, was diagnosed as autistic 8 years ago, at the age of 10. They told her parents that she might develop gender dysphoria. So, the people testing for autism knew full well of the connection.
Something to note. She says that the 'distress' has to last for 6 months, but how they find that out is asking the child how long they have felt that way. Add on TikTok and even UA-cam guides on how to get your diagnosis as quickly as possible, as in step by step guides on what to say to clinicians to get access to blockers. Even worse is certain trans activists whom have essentially turned into drug dealers for cross sex hormones or blockers, and run private chat rooms to encourage all this under the guise of being a "safe space". That is to say, kids will definitely lie to get what they want, and without an observable or measurable test we shouldn't be giving out any medication (especially of this level). It's an issue in the medical field as a whole, and is also why people were able to self-report headaches or back pain and with no tests were loaded up with oxycontin. Shoot, even The Trevor Project who portrays themselves as merely a mental health and suicide hotline for young LGBT people has features to instantly close the window and delete it from history to avoid detection (so you can hide it from parents), and hosts a forum with a significant pedo presence. An awful lot of adults talking to kids about sexual things and attempting to arrange hook-ups.
In the next few years, horror stories of what is being down now are going to emerge. A lot of people are going to have to account for what they have done.
So many people have harmed their own children now, or allowed them to come to harm - and those parents make the fiercest defenders of the ideology. It's going to be hard to stop regardless of the evidence (mere evidence can be written off as 'far right hate' or 'conspiracy theories')
This woman so desperately wants trans to be true. No matter what she’s witnessed she still can’t admit the truth. She NEEDS to frame it to herself as some people were genuinely trans and some aren’t, and it’s a real shame that some of the non-genuine trans people got caught up in the net.
Totally. And she goes on talking as though the problem they discovered--the big aha! moment--was that these treatments (eg. puberty blockers) weren't working for some people, rather than being fundamentally misguided as a medical approach.
This is a good example of the thought process on the micro level that causes communist to look at every failed example of communism in the past and say that wasn't real communism we will get it this time.
It's real but it is rare and very specific; 1/10,000 births. That means, in the U.S. there might be about 350 out of 350 million ppl. Once she saw it hit 1,000 she should have slammed on her brakes. Now, 1.3 million ppl claim to be trans.
Thank you Ms Barnes and the hosts. This is a horrible thing that has been done to our children. Our society has allowed people with mental instability to make determinations about children’s well being. It has been and is a tragedy.
This lady seemed detached from the real horror of what has happened to some of these children. She appeared to show more empathy for the staff and their situation despite the fact they discovered new information that it was dangerous for children but kept on regardless. These were children knowingly given dangerous medical treatment?? WTF??
The idea that we should be satisfied if there are young people that say they're happy with being sterilised is indicative of the problem. I couldn't care about their feelings. This precedent of letting a flat earth belief lead medical ethics IS the problem.
That's the way it's always been. Think about how Doctors have handled different races. Or women. And sterilizing minorities has been a huge thing for decades. Many of the women didn't know or understand anything either. This isn't a new thing. This is just the latest thing brought about by strange beliefs.
Its alarming to me that a medical professional could think that blockers would be reversible. They should know better, I was told Doctors were highly educated!
They are highly educated in a certain way, such as learning and memorizing complex information and applying it in various situations. Not necessarily highly educated in independent thought. But yeah, you'd think that one would be obvious even to a basic biology student...
It's alarming to me that a medical professional could think that experimental gene therapy injections, with a proven 1 in 600 severe side effect profile, are safe and effective. Doctors are highly educated, but it's by a system based on making money, not healing people.
My advice to the boys and girls in my area is: "Have fun playing the role of any gender you feel like, but wait until you're 25 before cutting anything off".
Jesus. 25 before you can have sex but you can die for your country at 18? Why? I mean I took to 27 to save up for it, but I was very lucky to have a more patient boyfriend than normal. Sounds transphobic, like that 2% regret rate is SO scary, but suffering of the 98% means nothing because fuck them right?
@neptune4375when something is as blatantly and obviously harmful as blocking normal puberty and mutilating or amputating healthy body parts, you need only common sense, not studies.
Blockers and hormones in kids are highly experimental. How anyone can claim those prescribing these meds didn't realize they were harming children is absurd. It only takes common sense to figure that out.
Man, this journalist really doesn’t want to say anything bad about the dear old BBC or these doctors eh? It’s not sympathy for victims, from what I can tell. More fear of criticism and maybe even agreeing with most of the trans movement. Listened as long as I could, I’m out.
@ShawnKWHumphrey The only reason her book was published was on the basis of the angle of demanding that the care model for trans children needs to be better and a credential of impartiality rather than a personal agenda. Any outspoken personal view in any other context would be labelled transphobic and then you have the problem that noone will publish you or sell your book in their stores for fear of the backlash...and then what you have to show about what's happening would never get out there.
If Hannah's won awards then that can only indicate the parlous state of journalism. She kept equivocating and prevaricating. It was very frustrating listening to her hedging her words when her message should have been simple and clear. What really did it for me was her response to KK at the end where she claimed she couldn't imagine gathering the pertinent data. Well, Hannah, given that your interview involved you describing how the medical establishment hadn't got data on autistic referrals , that seems like quite the reversal. However, your constant use of the word 'happiness' rather than 'health' shows where your motivations lie. You may have kicked off a conversation, but it is clear that you need to step back and let people with greater intellects step in and work out how this situation can be resolved. Yes, we want the greatest happiness of the greatest number, but that does not involve encouraging the greatest number to flirt with being unhappy just to prop up the few who are confused.
For someone who writes for a living, she sure has a difficult time coming up with words to express her thoughts. Just say it, it's a really terrible time in medicine leading to not only blanket distrust but should end in criminal charges because we all know the money was too much of a carrot for these medical professionals at the expense of children's futures.
Writing for a living is a lot easier than having to earn one's crust via speaking, live, and directly in front of people. That I can sound vaguely coherent online but will appear almost stupidly simple when asked a straightforward question IRL, is proof enough of that. She is of an ilk that doesn't get recruited for their blistering intellect, but because of their propensity to toe the party line and repeat the party lines. Hence her reluctance to say too much - at any point during this interview - that might lead her to fall out of favour with her bosses, her betters and her benefactors. Money talks, but this Hannah gal sure as hell doesn't want to.
This woman aggressively argues against trying to ballpark estimates because "how could we possibly have that data?" but she also sympathizes with the doctors who mutilated children despite lacking the data to support it. She's 100% part of the problem even if she is a whistleblower in this particular case.
When this ideology falls, and it has to soon because it’s no longer possible to deny how wrong this is, watch those who promoted & supported the sterilisation of vulnerable young girls try to deny their position. Thankfully social media makes it easy to keep the receipts! I stand with JKR!
She's wrong, the new media DID lead on this issue. It's just no one paid attention. When the BBC did it, that's when people paid attention. This issue was heading up in 2014, and the only people that knew this were in New media
She's trying so hard not to lose her job while also trying to half assedly warn people. But you can tell she knows what the deal is and its shaken her to her progressive core.
A youth group for young LGBT teens was started in West Cork, Ireland around 2012. Out of 14 kids, 13 identified as Trans, one girl as bisexual. Not one identified as gay or lesbian.
Why do you think that is? I'm old enough to remember when gays and lesbians were closeted. Is it still (I'm horrified if this is the case) so awful to be lesbian or gay that going through transition is preferable? My gut tells me some of these children are experiencing same sex attraction, but don't want to be labeled gay?
carolthurston2780, it seems to me that an awful lot of abuse directed at gays and lesbians is coming from trans activists. Lesbians especially are in the firing line. Lesbians have been excluded from pride parades, told they must date and have sex with transwomen (men), etc. If some children are saying they're trans rather than homosexual it might be because of the above and/or trans get more support, kudos and attention.
A gay youth group/club is going to always have people just making a claim that isn't true... They're going along because their friends all do, or there's free food, or they feel accepted there. You get similar things with the Christian groups in schools or the Friday night church youth groups. They're mostly going for the food or friendship, not for the prayer and Bible talks.
The parents of transitioners and the drs. , therapists involved in transitioning kids will hang on to their positions supporting this gender ideology even stronger. To do otherwise admits the evil they have brought upon the children in their care. I am glad she came forward.
The Tavistock clinic is STILL doing its dirty work. There are hundreds of children on their waiting list. Her coverage has not put a stop to this medical malpractice 😢
She does seem very defensive about the Tavistock even though she wasn't part of it, I find that very odd. Dr Deborah Soh had this nailed (imo) ages ago when she said the majority of Trans would either be mentally unwell, gay or in the case of late age trans women, autogynophiliacs. You can see that Hannah is thinking about every answer she gives, trying not to land herself in the brown sticky stuff if she says the 'wrong' thing. Sad to see.
What I heard was that they knew sure enough that most of these kids would have been gay but they continued to destroy these children. That's unforgivable. They should face serious charges. This can't happen again and it's still going on. Prison. All of them who didn't leave or speak up.
Listen, Hannah’s book is an incredible collection of testimonies and hard data, and I respect how thorough and measured she is with her own opinions and how she conducts herself in interviews. With that said, it is also infuriating how resistant she is when it comes to labeling this obvious medical scandal what it is: a medical scandal of massive child abuse, funded by the state with little to no oversight (with plenty of coverups along the way.) It's perfectly clear that she knows this is a massive scandal, she would like to say so, but then stops herself for some reason. I understand the fear of repercussions but she's already neck deep in the controversy, especially after writing such a detailed account of the timeline. Calling this a scandal should be the easiest thing to do at this point, and every opportunity she doesn't do so serves only to dilute the impact of her amazing book.
I have not read her book but but I have a feeling you are right after watching the interview. I think she may be stuck between a rock and a hard place (journalistically). Fair play to KK, I could see he wanted to press more but held back. I think the interview showed that we don't have to scream, shout or be obnoxious to see different points of view. And fair play to Hannah, she stood her ground but..........
You guys are still underestimating the backlash. J.k is getting deaf threats daily. People saying they are going to come and rape her and her children. What she is doing is saying here is the data I have. Read it and make up your own mind. She might even convince different people with this approach then others already against it.
Thanks this travesty to children is now being publicly revealed. Hannah should take credit for her book....but she falls far too short in this interview.
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CHAPTERS👇
00:00 Intro
01:24 Hannah Barnes’ Background
03:34 Ignoring the Gender Conversation
05:17 What Motivated Hannah to Write?
08:06 The Meaning of “Major Trauma” & “Major Interventions”
10:53 Why Journalists Are Careful Around Medical Malpractice on Children
14:35 A Major Medical Scandal?
22:03 What Is The Process of Going Through a Gender Clinic?
28:29 Why Was Giving Children Puberty Blockers Ever Allowed?
30:38 The Criteria For Puberty Blockers
33:15 Sponsor Message: Shopify
35:03 Ideology Vs Patient Care at Tavistock
39:25 Did Charities Compromise The Patient Care of Clinics?
40:46 When Did The Medical Community Realise That There was Something Wrong?
45:13 Why Were The Original Concerns in Clinics Not Taken Seriously?
50:06 The Link Between Autism & Gender Dysphoria
52:12 Sponsor Message: Locals
53:15 The Link Between Transitioning & Homosexuality
57:51 Were Puberty Blockers Used To Treat Autism & Homosexuality?
1:00:55 Rapid Increases in Gender Clinic Referrals
1:03:47 The Data of People Who Transition
1:09:46 What State Are Detransitioners Left in?
1:13:10 What’s the One Thing We’re Not Talking About?
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please read and give me your honest opinion... you are one of the very few people i think will "get it" ty for reading and i enjoy your channel
1. feminism convinces women that they are a victim with an abuser (patriarchy), with no solution but misery
2. social justice convinces minorities that they are a victim with an abuser (systemic racism), with no solution but misery
3. fat acceptance convinces fat people that they are a victim with an abuser (diet culture), with no solution but misery
4. pride convinces g@y people that they are a victim with an abuser (god), with no solution but misery
satanism convinces you that you are external from the universe and it is your abuser, with no solution but misery
this abuser/abused dichotomy is satanism and it has no solution... it only seeks to divide, because loneliness is misery and it makes us very easy to control
these 5 ideologies are exactly the same, it's why the arguments for them are exactly the same 💕
this is why "god" and republicans fail when fighting wokeism...
you can view this universe from 2 different perspectives because you are actually 2 things... you are a single being with your own thoughts and desires and you are also woven into this universe, as a collective of atoms, you are the universe
1. the more you live in the perspective of a single being, worshipping the self, the more divisive, the more alone, the more miserable you will become (satanism, the religion of the self)
2. the more you live in the perspective of the collective, the more belonging you feel with the universe and everyone in it, this perspective will bring you peace and contentment in this world, it will give you purpose
atheists think in the perspective of self, but so do religious people... as soon as you introduce a personal god into your religion, then you left the perspective of the collective and entered the perspective of self and introduced satanism into your religion, this is why our fake religions of today can pump out so much evil into our world
wokeism, social justice, 3rd wave feminism is all just satanism in disguise, it's sole purpose is to divide... and you can see the result of it... men thinking they're women, beating up women in rugby while we all celebrate it as "progressive"
satanism, viewing existence from the perspective of self breeds insanity
and finally, your existence explained...
1. god appears in nonexistence, because we have free will here
2. free will negates a god
2. paradoxes appear in nonexistence because of the nature of a paradox, it can never exist
3. logic is what negates a paradox, so it cannot be in nonexistence, it must exist
4. logic cannot appear in nonexistence, because paradoxes have to by definition
5. there is no logic in nonexistence and that's why we can conceptualize paradoxes but they can't actually exist here in our reality
knowing there are no logic constraints in nonexistence...
does god exist? yes, in nonexistence it does
does god not exist? yes, in existence and nonexistence it doesn't
does god exist and not exist? in nonexistence yes and no to both and every variation in between, at the same time, and also not at all, there's no logic there to dictate otherwise
does it matter if you're an "proud atheist" or believe in sky daddy in the context of your life? no, because you may or may not experience dying, but you'll never experience death... spending your precious life worrying about death is as logical as you worrying about your birth, you won't experience either, that is how you find safety next to chaos 💕
nonexistence matters as much as dark energy or whatever force is pushing the universe apart... nonexistence matters... just because to us it's not detectable doesn't mean it's useless information in figuring out what we're all doing here
thank you for reading
How about a real conversation on the westernized social construct and how
it is purposely predetermined and rigged. All of the westernized social issues
are made up and do not exist in objective real life which you people are opposed
to. Why are you westernized socially engineered so called white people so
delusional and mentally ill? Why does your society resemble a mental ward?
My head nearly exploded when she said, I work for the BBC and we pride ourselves on impartially.
Bull shit. The BBC, aside maybe from this journalist, has been shockingly supportive to and partial to gender ideology.
Yep, credibility dropped.
The bbc just reports the facts
I believe they are sincere in their aim for impartiality but the people who work there have certain unintentional biases based on the background they come from. You need to have a certain level of education and family resources to get a job at the BBC in the first place.
I am disgusted and getting physically sick by this lady.
@@RandomGuyOnUA-cam601 me too she lies so much the taberstock close and is being expanded to make it more accessible for people’s needs. If she cared about children why is not talking about the rise in. Child hunger or rise in child poverty or that the schools meals is usually the only food the child will have that day. More important than people receiving health care
What 99% of those children needed was love and acceptance. Instead they got puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries that increased their trauma.
I'd say nearer to 100%... In fact, even the "genuine" cases won't improve their lives without love and acceptance anyway. But love and acceptance doesn't make money for pharmaceutical companies and doesn't look good on the graphs for NHS service efficiency.
What was needed was tough love and non-acceptance of teenage hysteria.
It also mutilated and sterilised them.
Also guidance and figures of authority.
Nowadays parents don’t offer sucurity through setting boundaries any more. Children are left alone and without orientation in a madly spinning world. As a consequence, they don’t know left from right, up from down any longer and have no safe things they can trust as a basis for their lives.
Very sad.
Thing is that is basically how western medical systems work. Really good for battle field wombs. But lifestyle stuff is a joke. I literally seen the major header of a medium size city local newspaper state : "eating healthy is good for you." Twenty years ago.
Thing is, our schools are producing people who demand this simple bs. Look at the masses! People expect simple anwers to complex questions. Therefore we get it. Because masses wont alow for complex answers. Its a web that we all beg for! Therefore we will go extinct and the world will continue. No point in getting existential about it!
She said "he got his periods" with a straight face. That tells you how far down the brain washing hole we have gone.
I almost threw my phone across the room
Yes! I was on board w a lot of what she said but He Got His Periods?? What. The. Hell.🤯😱
Yep, she's a True Believer.
Trans ideology had gotten SO dogmatic, that even if you SHARE their 100% evidence-free belief in sex-independent """gender""", belief in 100% physiologically typical men who are "REALLY women" (in whatever mystical, pseudo-spiritual sense), and in "non-binary" people who are "neither male OR female" (again, in some mystical, pseudo-religious sense; These people are EXACTLY as female, or in rarer cases male, as ANY other teen girl..), even if you BELIEVE ENTIRELY in their 100% faith-based, evidence-free religion, you are STILL not safe from being cancelled as a "transphobe" (ie a "heathen" non-believer),and cast out of the Temple of academia/medicine.
Our schools, medical system, often the courts, police and government are ALL beholden to an ENTIRELY faith-based religious belief system (primarily based around belief in sex-independent "gender"; Basically "the soul", with a paint job), that has ZERO basis in empirical evidence...
THE EVIDENCE says that there is ONLY evidence-based biologcal sex... that (sex-independent) """gender""" is A COMPLETE FICTION...
@@baconsarny-geddon8298 I appreciate your use of religious language; I've been saying the same thing since 2018 when the Lord began showing me the writing on the wall. You're probably saying "Wait what?!?"" Why is she condemning religion when she sounds just as religious?" & I would answer "Good question" & my answer to that question would would be I have no problem whatsoever with anyone practicing their religion, what I have a very BIG problem with is "Join our religion OR ELSE!" In my religion IE: Christianity, which ISN'T synonymous with what misguided & deceived person's did, or do in the "name of Christianity", but true Christianity in which Jesus knocks (He doesn't bust down the door) & INVITES individuals to follow Him. In the Church of Woke (for which transgenderism is a core doctrine) THERE IS NO CHOICE & where Jesus offers grace, the Church of Woke confers shame. I actually believe the Bible talks about false-religion, whether it takes the form it did during the Dark Ages, or now with what may possibly (I don't know yet what only The Father knows) turn into a GLOBAL State Church (headed by "you know who" 666). But I digress, the main point I wanted to share has to do with constructs; ever heard that term (I suspect you have)? I argue that constructs are real & they're whatever man (society) builds outside of the truth. Is gender a construct? No, has it & can it be turned into one? YES! Satan has always deceived man into building constructs, whether they're: race; gender-fluidity; whiteness; blackness; toxic masculinity; perfect, white-glove Suzy Homemaker, or today's iteration "trad-wives"; or "manly men" who never cry; etc.. Here's the funny part, those most critical of constructs are generally the ones you'll find hard at work building all new ones. The truth is "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; MALE and FEMALE he created them." (Genesis 1:27). The truth is some men prefer to make beautiful works of art over hunting & fishing & some women love mountain climbing & adventure & some men love to be in the kitchen creating amazing dishes, while some women love sports. I'm NOT saying femininity & masculinity don't exist, I'm SAYING the enemy takes God's glorious, complex creation & corrupts it in part by using what's true (men who like to cook & create, women Who God made to love dirty, muddy adventure) & turning it into a LIE (construct). The good news is ALL constructs are destined to fall, bc they're built on a foundation that's a lie. Just remember, it's easy to find a grain of what's true in a lie (think caricatures & stereotypes), but we'll NEVER find a lie in the TRUTH!
@@macbird-lt8de😂
I'm reading her book. It's shocking. Just finished a chapter where a child stopped taking puberty blockers after 4 years and no one has contacted them to follow them up. How do you say that PBs are "completely reservable" if they don't do follow up data collection? I hope they are sued and shut down
The head of a trans organization announced that PBs make it impossible for women to conceive and impossible for males to ever ejaculate, again.
The book should be called, “Time to jail those who destroyed the lifes of children and those who refused to report it.”
Yes!!!
Amen!!
"I work for the BBC and we are absolutely committed to impartiality" - Am I in a weird parallel universe?!? The BBC is about as far from impartial as you can get, especially when it comes to identity politics issues.
I feel like she's trying but can't see that her employer is incredibly corrupt in that regard.
I think that they're committed and failing. They likely think that they think they're impartial.
I laughed at that (BBC impartiality) expecting that was a joke😂🤣 , when FF, KK and the journo remained stone faced I was like "WHAT!!" 🤔
The BBC is so wrapped up in itself that it literally cannot see itself as anything but impartial.
They are a self-affirming clique who only come across a small range of opinions...and if they come across someone outside that range they are horrified.
The North Sentinalese are exposed to a broader range of opinion than the average BBC functionary.
@@tin2001 of course she can see it, but she's not gonna let go of that fat diversity hire paycheckm, is she?
"Fear of being called transphobic" leading to children being mutilated is the same mechanism as "Fear of being called racist" leading to children being abused. Freedom to speak honestly is fundamental to a civilised society.
Spot on.
To0 true and very well spoken!!
Not quite
And the BBC is the vanguard for the Leftist project to destroy free expression and debate.
@@zebrababy6267 ?
Almost unbelievable that a medical professional would think it harmless to put kids on puberty blockers
I don't know why people blindly trust doctors. When you look at the history of medical malpractice even the history of cruel psychological experiments you understand that doctors aren't Gods. Many just think they are.
They don’t think it’s harmless they know the effects but they are aew are tell people and also the benefits
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs what benefits? No medical research has ever found objective evidence for any.
@@beecat9951 actually it has studies from cornell, Oxford, Cambridge and Pittsburgh have said medical health outcomes have been improved by 45-56 percent by gender affirming care
It is unbelievable.
This lady is playing it super safe. There's a lot of "mental gymnastics" from her side where she doesn't really try to condemn someone/something and really stretches out her answers. The moment I've finished I started to think she's lying and hiding a lot of truth.
Look at the inappropriate smiling and when she smiles but not a genuine smile.
The mental illness of woke is all ''mental gymnastics''...
I imagine she has to play it safe, in a sense. I agree she is too lenient and kind although I don’t entirely disagree that many probably didn’t know better and meant well (that path to Hell though, paved with so many good intentions!) it’s similar to those who argued many Nazis were just obeying orders. Some knee more than others, yes, but ultimately harm has been done.
I also am quite displeased how much she played down the impact and the sheer amount of those who have had their natural bodies destroyed by this.
Granted, she could have threats in her life or her family. I can’t blame someone, especially a woman, for being cautious when those who oppose are extremists and openly violent.
That said, people need to stand up for what is right!
Maybe it is human nature, I’m not yet sure, but it’s absurd how many have stayed silent or let it all go because they found excuses or simply lacked the courage.
At least she is speaking up with some valid points.
She's just another fish looking for some crumbs - fame and money [any family that ever went to the Tavistock will be looking for their $ cut - and some will exaggerate to anyone who will listen] - she has no medical qualifications, but that wont stop a journo getting something in before the courts
She works really hard to not be critical of something that is horrendous.
Obviously much more in thrall to all the BBC bucks.
Problem is that when you are that blunt, people will stop listening and just put you away as a transphobe. Her nuance is what made her revelations much more effective.
@@mensmans9241 For some people maybe. But for me, what really opened my eyes to the absolute horrors involved in the trans-industrial machine, was hearing the real life stories of actual detransitioners. This is why I really appreciate Benjamin Boyce. He has a very calm, measured approach that puts both his guests and audience at ease...but then he gets to the really difficult, hard to hear reality of what exogenous hormones and mutilated bodies really amounts to. You can hit the right note and be hard hitting, whilst not coming across as crude, or hard to listen to. And I know people will say that what this journalist wrote was a book full of data and that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but it actually is. And this journalist can go back to her life, do whatever the BBC chooses to send her off to next, without it having much of an effect on her own life. The detransitioners cannot put the clock back and as such remain incredibly difficult to hear, but essential to give platforms to and pay attention to. Because when you put a face, a young face, on the issue at hand, it really hits home what's being done.
Thanks for saying this, I think you're right.@@mensmans9241
@@bad-girlbex3791 Exactly. Hearing the real-life stories in detail of their experience is what illustrates the problem. In science, it's a Case Study and is just as valid as a page of numbers. Generally, the Case Study comes first, to provide information that can later be deli sliced and studied in detail to provide that page of numbers and statistics. This occurs often in psychology. How do we know what to study if we don't have a case?
Why is she so unwilling to admit that the lobbyists, media and doctors are 100% culpable in this issue?
because she IS media and she is also captured by the ideology that underlies gender ideology if not the ideology itself.
More so I believe because of interminably long lawsuits.
What happened to those 5000 referrals? My God, and that’s only in the UK!
Shame. Seen videos of German citizens forced to march through death camps to look at what was going on right under their noses? They didn't feel very proud.
Thank you. Of all the books to read on this issue, hers will be last.
There mere term Gender Clinic is so obnoxious.
I totally agree. They should not exist. The very name is putting the cart before the horse
If they called it a 'Regressive socially-constructed sex role stereotypes Clinic', it wouldn't get many customers
@@newtripley why based upon what evidence m. All the medical evidenced shows they are necessary please substantiate that claim
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxsno it doesn't. It shows the total opposite ie that there is no medical evidence in support of gender identity
Child Mutilation Lab.
She contradicts herself. No, they weren't ideologues, but they "believed" is was the right thing to do, and the trans people are "marginalised" and worries about "transphobia".
They were ideologues. You had to be to take part in this abuse.
Correct, this isn't cancer we are talking about.
@@chrisbfreelance you're right. Because that's an actual disease requiring treatment, whereas this is stupid teenagers obsessed with fitting in or being special. No organ is sick here, there is no medical intervention required.
No, she didn't contradict herself. They can believe it to be the right thing to do for reasons other than ideology. Namely, they can believe that the contemporary scientific evidence shows that treatment is the right thing to do.
but the contemporary 'scientific' evidence is neither evidence nor is it scientific. At the very root of it, it is ideological
@@jdsiv3 actually it is
She's afraid to lose her job. Dressing up answers in 'compassion' talk
True, but I also heard dogmatic standpoint epistemology in there, and then there was that bit about 'his period'. Ideology. She can't acknowledge what has brought us here, because the whole suit of armour would fall off. Sad.
Double speak bs
Well done chaps. Getting an answer from this woman was like pulling teeth.
Her reticence to just come out and state the obvious is painful to watch. This is part of the reason we’re in the mess we are.
Its weird cos shes wrote a book “exposing this as a medical scandal of abuse” - yet believes the nonsense that causes this abuse in the first place. Shes culpable in this abuse as well
I agree the tiptoeing around tentative hypothesise that maybe the bleeding obvious just ‘might’ be one explanation of what’s happened here made me want to throw things. What a mealy mouthed vague nod to the truth that will get us nowhere. Painful to watch is right.
But at least she is not just spouting the propaganda of Stonewall, Mermaids, Owen Jones and Costa Coffee and admits things have gone too far, even if she is obviously censoring herself so as to keep her job with the BBC, and perhaps her own self-image and social identity as a trendy leftish BBC reporter.
Do Brits have an allergy to being straightforward or something? It’s incredible how people tap dance around the truth on that island over some warped sense of morality.
she wont even make eye contact. she is a grifter. she does not actually believe any of this, she just has a cushy job being the gate keeper to child mutilation. i hope this haunts her for eternity.
Now that I've watched more of this, I realise her insistence that the staff weren't ideologues. It's because she doesn't recognise one, being one herself. She says it's not for her to question, "he got his periods", "natal sex", etc. She still believes, despite her own evidence, that "trans" is actually something real and tangible.
It's not.
@@beowulf_of_wall_st no, she's using the language of ideologues.
Absolutely. That's what I gathered as well. She agrees with trans ideology, but just doesn't like kids being targeted with it.
I noticed that too and it was extremely annoying.
48 MINUTES in the first mention of horrible damage to children's bodies and isn't from the BBC author.
Brcause it’s a medical accepted fact will you be arguing vaccines cause autism next
Hannah Barnes asks "how could we possibly tell" whether the increase in children being treated for gender dysphoria was due to increased social acceptance or due to social contagion. Well, here's a couple suggestions.
1. The increase in referrals was overwhelmingly among a single demographic: teenage girls. Did society become more "accepting" of a trans identification among this one demographic? Why wasn't there a proportionate increase in boys being seen?
2. Most of those who argue for the "social acceptance" hypothesis tend to believe that a) trans is an innate identity and b) failing to affirm a trans identity is likely to lead to suicide. If "trans kids" have always existed, but were only able to access "gender-affirming care" very recently, we would in previous decades have observed thousands of unaffirmed "trans kids" killing themselves every year. And this should have decreased concomitantly with the increase in kids being "affirmed". Specifically, in the UK, we should see from about 2013 onwards an exponential decline in child suicide due to the exponential increase in children being "affirmed" with blockers and cross-sex hormones. It didn't happen.
Abigail Shria also makes the point that if it is increased social acceptance, then we should most likely see an increase in trans people across all age ranges, which is not the case.
You attribute the only reason for child suicide to be affirmation or non-affirmation of gender and that we should see a direct correlation between current methods and suicide figures if current methods were working. Politely and most respectfully, no. Life is so much more complicated than that, and I know you know that.
In the UK there are about 700 child suicides a year. And every year thousands of children are referred to the Gender Identity Development Service, a significant proportion of whom are referred for endocrinological interventions which we are told are "life-saving".
So every year you have hundreds of children being given "life-saving" care that wasn't available to cohorts 10 years prior. That is such a large number that it has to have to have *some* effect on the 700 suicides per year. There should be some statistical signal.
You could argue that there actually *was* a huge drop off in suicides among gender dysphoric kids (and especially teenage girls), but that noone noticed because it was masked by an even greater increase in suicides due to other cause(s) (the child suicide rate continued to increase coincident with the expansion in "gender-affirming" care). Doubtful, if you ask me, but you're welcome to believe it.
To be fair, you can get around the argument by acknowledging what is now obvious to everyone: gender dysphoria does not have a uniquely high suicide rate but one that is broadly in line with other mental health issues like bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder etc. See the Danish study released a couple of weeks ago.
But if this is true, the justification for experimental hormonal interventions disappears.@@brain1fluff
Here’s another thing to consider. If something was genuinely due to biological reality then once you have a fully anonymous survey, you should see broadly the same prevalence across all age groups, all cultures, all regions and countries, all educational backgrounds and all social strata
What we actually see is completely the opposite. Be it transsexuality or homosexuality. Ergo it isn’t actually a natural biological effect, but largely a disorder affected by social contagion.
@@brain1fluff OP isn't saying suicides would fall to zero, the fact you say you know they know life is more complicated says that you should of reflected on the fact that maybe you read their point incorrectly.
She talks about how all these butchers and their aids felt like being “like a family”. Sounds like a cult to me and Dr. Mengele comes to mind. It amazes me the way these atrocities being performed on children are discussed about so matter-of-factly.
It doesn’t matter if a 12 year old has had many hours of counseling! They do not have the executive functioning necessary to make a life altering decision at that age.😢
No one that makes that kind of decision has sane executive functions. At any age.
She finds it so dificult to admit anything because she is one of them.
How can you as journalist write a whole book about a subject and everything ends in "they didn't collect that data and i don't know why"
Yep. She kind of stopped half way in her investigation, didn't she…
Absolutely
i guess the jury is out until we get better research lol
Yes this was maddening to listen to
The whole interview felt so awkward...
*The extreme and unbelievable caution that this person is showing throughout the interview, whilst in fact she's only speaking common sense, says it all on how much into the wrong direction we've all been led to go...*
It was odd though, she sometimes contradicted herself to snap back to common sense. Given her answers she seems untrustworthy even if well meaning and compassionate.
if anything it alarmed me that the system then itself should have been suspended in the meantime rather than running patients/clients through vague/undecided criteria >
Exactly as I was thinking.
She is barely capable of speaking. She isn’t speaking truth. She’s equivocating.
Glad you interviewed her, but she’s difficult to listen to because she speaks as if she’s terrified of saying anything she actually thinks. I also don’t think anyone familiar with the issues would appreciate her take on the media’s role in this. The BBC is, at this moment, fully complicit in this harm.
All these people in the medical, média and political world at all levels who were complicit in all this are guilty of crimes against humanity.
According to international laws a minor cannot in good conscience consent to be mutilated for life.
They committed a crime against humanity, it's as simple as that.
Criminals, and there is no valid excuse since they are supposed to be the intellectual elite on duty to protect the weak, the minor.
But on top of that they ostracized parents and force-fed impressionable minors with obscene propaganda to influence them.
Just as a reminder, the Nuremberg tribunal was full of doctors.
Yeah I see what you mean. However, she has done fantastic work in investigating this. I think her reluctance to be too opinionated will mean people will listen to her. I've spoken to a few people about this and in moments I've said exactly what I think, people don't like it and they switch off. Maybe this is just the approach we need. Agree the whole thing is frustrating. So upset with the BBC on this issue but kudos to Hannah Barnes.
The BBC are promoting this dangerous ideology. What I find baffling is how Gay&Lesbians Organisations help promote the demise of Gay & Lesbian people. Stonewall should be defunded. Getting Government/Taxpayers money is a scandal.
She's a grifter that saw the wind changing
Yeah she's making a lot of excuses for people. Basically explained corruption but waived it away as "they didn't know". On top of that, she's clueless on the psychological issues themselves and didn't bother doing basic research on the topic.
This was very hard to watch.
Hannah comes across as an apologist for the Tavistock clinic and gender re-assignment in general. What happened is beyond negligence. It's just incredible.
When I see stuff like this, I think, as Churchill feared, we are sinking into ". . . the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science."
There’s one thing we can all agree on, this woman is just terrified to say the wrong thing. The question I have is who is she so afraid of? Probably the BBC and the transgender community.
Start by helping people understand that no one is born in the wrong body.
Indeed. I think even supporters of this absurd ideology could agree that there is a mismatch between the body and the mind. In which case why is mutilating the body seen as the correct course of action rather than trying to change the mind with far less invasive measures first?
Amen
Says you
@@Chango_LocoSays insanity
A century ago and a century in the future that born in the wrong body rubbish will sound as completely insane as it is. Just what? Fascinating how easily people go insane with a little bit of fear.
Bella L
One main point about the BBC it is not impartial and has not been for decades.
I thank Hannah Barnes for exposing the children abuse.
Not child abuse. She’s wrong and the medical evidence show she’s wrong but she don’t care because anything to distract us
I think they genuinely think that they are, but they also think certain things that are obviously ideological nonsense to most people are undebatable fact in their bubble.
@@mostevil1082. The BBC as a corporation maybe impartial, but their journalists definitely aren’t. They report to create narratives that suit they’re own views and opinions. They do not give balance to their reporting
They live in a bubble of like minded people so they think their political beliefs are inalienable truths, like water is wet. It's not bias if 'everyone' agrees (apart from the deplorables who are beyond the pale).
Yeah, I woke up to this sad truth last year during the Depp vs. Heard trial when all liberal media sided 100% with Heard despite all the evidence because, feminism!
What amazes and shocks me is that supposedly intelligent people think/thought that a child who was dysphoric about their sex was best treated by "affirming" their delusion of being "born in the wrong body". Their wishing to change sex is clearly a symptom of deeper issues - treat those problems effectively and the dysphoria is likely to fade away.
Imagine affirming an anorexic's desire to be thin. "You look great! Keep on doing YOU!" You have just killed them.
Disgusting that ornagisations like Stonewall and Mermaids (and others) have been allowed to embed themselves so deeply into our society through academic institutions, media and politics to spread their religious and cult-like insideous agenda to the masses, been allowed to silence critics or even anyone with basic safeguarding questions and given no oversight or checks and balances and tragic for so many that the NHS has gone along with it this far. This is a Scandal and social contagion on a global scale and we must stand up to it.
It's 100% a faith-based RELIGIOUS belief (which this woman SHARES); They have an evidence-free belief that such these kids have "a male SOUL,in a female body" (or vice versa).
They'll DENY it, if you word in those terms... Same way many Christians or Muslims will deny that they believe in "a magic trick", in the story of Jesus and the loaves and fishes, or Mohammed splitting the moon... ALL RELIGIONS get very particular, when you describe their beliefs, in terms that treat them like any OTHER religion's beliefs; Because that's just part of BEING religious- Belief that "all those OTHER religions are irrational and false... But MY religion is different... Because MY religion is actually THE REAL TRUTH about reality!!!"
...Which is fine, if they ADMIT their beliefs are a faith-based religion; I'm not taking a swipe at Christianity, or Islam, or Judaism, or Scientology for having superntural beliefs. Because religions are MEANT to be all about supernatural, metaphysical beliefs...
...but it becomes a problem, when you DON'T acknowledge your beliefs as being "religious", and instead try to force EVERYONE to pretend to believe in men who are """REALLY women""" (in some mystical, undetectable sense that CAN ONLY be taken on faith...), or in people being """ non-binary""" and """neither male OR female""" (again, in some mystical, RELIGIOUS sense, since PHYSICALLY these people are EXACTLY as female/male as EVERY OTHER member of their real-world, evidence-based sex...)
So, (sex-independent) """gender""" isn't JUST a religion... it's also a FAR MORE AUTHORITARIAN RELIGION, that even the most fundamentalist versions of Christianity, or even (Western) Islam- So authoritarian, they feel entitled to demand that EVERYONE must pretend to share their beliefs: That the religious entitlements of ONE man IN their religion (eg William "Lia" Thomas") out-weighs the rights of HUNDREDS of women who DON'T share their religious beliefs (eg, all the women in that swimming comp, forced to pretend to believe that Thomas somehow ISN'T a man, all the evidence-based advantages in size, strength, lung capacity etc, that come with his maleness).
Our gov'ts, schools, academia etc are beholden to a religion, which relies on IDENTICAL evidence (ie NO verifiable empirical evidence), and IDENTICAL standard of evidence ("but it FEEELS true, to me!!"/"just trust me bro"), as every other religion in world history...
@@Dave-cf4vdHardly the same thing when AN may cause death.
I can't wrap my head around that one, either. This doesn't apply to her, back then, however, now, a new law is in place that makes it illegal for doctors or therapists to disagree with whatever the kid thinks he is.
Idk if you are aware of this, but, all this is happening due to the influence from CRT and post modernism which are types of neo-Marxism. So, before CRT entered the K-12 schools, it swept thru all the federal agencies...FBI, White House, Military and so on, without any restraints.
My point is, ppl with high-level careers who are very career-minded are going to put up with anything to keep their career moving fwd. That is not an excuse, but something the ppl who started all this, understood well.
I have to agree with many of the other comments here. Hannah is far too ‘diplomatic’ and quite frankly unwilling to call a spade and spade. It’s this tentative approach that has allowed this scandal to happen. It would appear that the vast majority of the general public finds what has happened, and is still happening, as wholly unacceptable yet she seems to try to justify what was done to children. It’s this approach that leads to terms such as ‘minor attracted people’
“Impartial” is working really hard in her case. More like eggshells. Goodness, her caginess was palpable. The part when she dances around “boys, registered male, or assigned male at birth… whatever language you want to use” show just an utter wishy-washy, weak respect for actual communication. And this is a journalist.
Don’t be like this. Be bold, not timid.
She is just being respectful.
"It was like a family, you can't argue with your family." It's a cult.
Also worrying that psychologists believe it's impossible for families to argue and for family members to criticise each other.
I don't know of a single family who hasn't argued or fought, cults and religions on the other hand.
What the heck is a family you can't argue with? I get along with my close family quite well and we have still argued occasionally over various things.
Then there are bit more distant relatives and we have argued a lot more.
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It's like talking to someone who has escaped from a cult, she is so broken she is trying to hind behind "No one is deliberately harming kids", now imagine the people she referred to as "ideologues" and how bad they must be?
This is just horrific.
It doesn't even really matter what their intentions were, the harm has been done. It's like saying, "well, I wasn't intending to hurt anyone when I was firing my gun into the open city air. It's just an unfortunate side effect that someone got hit by one of my bullets."
@spracketskooch
not just 'someone', how about:
"'hundreds' got hit by 'some" of my bullets."
She does not want to be sued
There used to be a game show called 'don't say uhm' where contestants had to talk 2 minutes about a certain subject while avoiding saying 'uhm' and a variable word. Talk about cooking and avoid saying 'uhm' and the word 'food' for instance. This... lady. talks. as... hesitant. as. those... contestants. It betrays the level of fear and pressure she's under. This is a subject that will inevitably evoke anger from either or both sides of the argument. It's impossible to not say something 'wrong'. Her mind is twisted in a hopeless ideological pretzel. Very unnerving to watch since imho her weird, hesitant behavior is the embodiment of how the majority of people in society are feeling and behaving today.
"No one is harming these jews." Checks out.
Doctors abandoned their Hippocratic oath en masse for fashionability, money and convenience. They did it directly with patients and they did in on committees where they unsubstantiated “standards of care”.
*Doctors abandoned their Hippocratic oath en masse for sadistic paedophilia. They did it directly with patients and they did in on committees where they unsubstantiated “standards of care”.
No they didn’t. You really don’t have a clue do you
@@drahcirnevarc9152trans identity has been confirmed and is continuing to be so by every medical organisation on the plsnet
Most doctors stopped taking the Hippocratic Oath many, many years ago.
Some still do, but it's no longer a common part of graduating med school.
And fear of being called Transphobic. F-ing Fear. Of Cancel culture. Fascism.
Firstly, this lady is brave for taking on this issue, because the evidence she discovered challenges her worldview. You can hear the cognitive dissonance in her statements. Let’s be clear; kids were experimented on at the Tavistock. Moreover, those experiments didn’t involve collecting, collating and analysing data to study outcomes. I’m afraid the conclusion I draw is that a pernicious ideology was driving the whole process. In her heart, this lady knows the truth but can’t bring herself to utter it.
Kisin is spot on with his questions in challenging her and trying to get the truth! She’s knows the truth but seems to refuse to believe that there was obvious malicious and purposely neglectful intentions. It’s hard to listen to her, as she seems to know there’s a problem but also struggles to complete a full sentence with genuine honest conclusions.
I found it hard to get past the fact she thought some children _are_ "born in the wrong body" if they don't grow out of that opinion.
It's not any different then believing some races where better then another and to manufacture 'evidence' to support your claim but that was very common and still is. We act like we are so evolved from our elders bit we aren't.
it's bizarre that these educated people don't see nature doesn't care what you think or believe, it's all about the physical body, you are male or female simply for procreation and keep the species going, it doesn't matter if you believe you are a man or woman it only matters that you can either bear children or inseminate someone who can
If evolution is true then when does truth evolve to mean its opposite? When does right and wrong evolve to be the opposite? You clowns are just as brainwashed as these pdfile freaks
@@gruunt4064it’s a religious belief, and they don’t even see it
Yes, she has bought into a lot of it. She has perhaps written a good book - don’t know - but I find her caution, and her acceptance that trans DOES exist, to be part of the problem.
"Boys? Birth registered males? Assigned males?" - I mean, WTF? Is this an actual adult speaking here?
That is the term they use for that, recently.
I'm stunned that she came on the show and then worked so incredibly hard not to give any straight answers. And when the hosts tried to engage her with a conclusion she never agreed and frequently contracted herself. Just me?
No -you nailed it-she’s scared the mob will come fir her and loose her job ! She’s no hero 😊
Yep. You can see Konstantin repeatedly trying to rephrase things to get her to “trip up”… cos shes afraid of language. Coward
Nope she is so cagey that she’s not believable.
Her body language reveals a lot. Probably 60% of the time she is speaking to some invisible guest and not looking at the two interviewers. Eyes looking up is the tell tale sign.
It is a difficult topic and i feel she is hasitant to speak more clearly about it because she doesn't have the data to support it. (Because the clinic wouldn't hnd over the data)
She is extremely careful and scared. It's sad that a journalist in the UK acts like this as if she is in Russia or China.
‘You can’t say the charities bullied because they’re advocating for what’s best for the people they are representing’ what a joke. They pushed to lower the age of consent which is flat out not in the interest of these young children. People have been hung for less. The World is sleep walking off a moral cliff 😩
She goes on to say you CANT blame the militant trans lobby groups for this mess? LMAO
She's absolutely right. How do you look back at what you've done and face the travesty you might have been complicit in? Same with parents, same with politicians, same with allies and activists...
It’s fun how she’s lying is t it
These people are supposed to be professionals? They are supposed to know! And many many women have been shouting from the rooftops fior many years before newsnight ever got involved but her impartial bbc denied them air time, therefore silencing them until wonder of wonders the beeb decide hannah and her impartial colleagues can investigate so long as thry don't point the finger. We knew for years what was happening, and while hannahs book is an additional fact based resource in this horrendous situation, I think Andrew Doyle, Douglas Murray, Helen joyce, Jennifer bilek, Kathleen stock et Al provided better evidence based stories of these who went through gids. It was brave to write her book I dont think some if her points seem to be out of date
She'll likely live with a degree of regret for the rest of her days. One way she can cope is to repent! and well do what shes doing on this podcast and expose the malpractice
We will look back at this and your descendants will shake their head that you fell for a grift
@@beowulf_of_wall_st they don’t care about children
“He” has a period? And the reporter is unbiased? Afraid to speak the truth.
This woman is the embodiment of "rats leaving a sinking ship". That is the reason for the trembling voice, inability to lay blame and political language.
All public bodies in a nutshell...
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."
Thomas Sowell.
No truer words have been spoken
Im sorry, only 5 minutes in and her desire to be seen to not be offensive or a desire to be BBC impartial is grating on a level i didn't think possible. Its like fingernails being dragged down 100 chalkboards all at once
YES, thank you. I can't take any more of this.
Absolutely, I only listened because I wanted to hear the host’s thoughts. She’s not credible to me at least.
YASSSSS!
It's painful to listen and watch her.
I really appreciated her commitment to trying to be impartial and hope more journalists show such courage. She provided a lot of good information in a way that's very difficult to raise problems with which will enable her message to reach places that those preaching to the choir will never touch. People like her are absolutely indispensable for anyone who cares about changing the status quo more than grandstanding.
Hannah sounds painfully politically correct.
He had his periods.
Oh come on, Hannah.
She thinks she’s being respectful and impartial.
I’d say she’s being a coward.
Buying into the language and the madness is never going to stop this. Children are being grossly damaged and there’s no compromise acceptable. Choose when they’re adults, not when young.
100% a coward
Its the mental illness of woke talking ,they are all suffering from it.
@@fenellamaddison6501 Even as adults, it's a huge issue. Your brain isn't even done developing until your mid-twenties, anyway. Even so, if people want to modify their body, it should be done like any other extreme body mod, and NOT marketed as health care.
I think being hardline like this is a big part of the problem for both the gender critical and trans rights activists. Both poles of the argument shaming everyone in the middle who doesn't 100% conform to the language YOU want them to use is not going to get anyone anywhere.
For generations we've wondered how entire societies over the past century could be duped into believing obviously horrendous nonsense. We're witnessing that process now.
I don't think I can put up with this... It's revolting and the fact that she is so lukewarm, hesitant and timorous makes me mad
This is a great example of someone wrestling with a moral dilemma. She can either a) be honest about what shes found and is obviously bothering her but simultaneously risk betraying her impartial (cough, cough) employer and maybe risk losing her job or b) say the right things that allow her to keep her job, but surrender her integrity. Hence her very unsatisfying, tap dancing, not particularly honest or dishonest answers. No shade toward her though, its a tough position to be in.
This is why I really respect Helen Joyce. She made the choice not to play that game
I'LL throw her some SHADE! Would she be "walking the tightrope" for these deplorable healthcare professionals if HER child had been given "gender affiming care"?!!
Honestly, I liked her approach. Here is what we found, Here is what we couldn't find, it's not the entire picture because as with everything in life complexities abound, you draw your own conclusion.
Impartial is good when it comes to abusing mentally ill child?
What’s wrong with you?
This lady is a shit.
Need more research to know if this horror is good ??
Exactly
You gotta nail these snakes to a specific position with specific questions.
"At what age can a child transition? At what age is too early - please be specific"
"Did you know the drug Lupron, which is now used as a puberty blocker on a child, was used as a chemical castration drug for adult violent sexual predators?"
"Why did the patients who were chemically castrated not recover but you say when the medication used as a blocker is now somehow reversible - explain"
"Did you know these drugs can cause osteoporosis?"
"Tell me about detransition stories youve heard. Were they victims of medical malpractice?"
"Should male to female trans people be incarcerated with biological women?"
Did you know a huge percentage, if not the majority of phalloplasty and vaginoplasty patients have medical complications?
Yes!
THe head of a trans organization announced that PBs make it impossible for women to conceive and impossible for males to ever ejaculate, again.
In the UK, any male convict who identifies as female, by law from 2019 or so, he is put into the women's prison. Many of these were in prison for rape and yes, there have been rapings and pregnancies in the women's prison. THe same bill was making its way thru the U.S. Congress a while back. Idk its status.
Helen Joyce recognised that the bland neutrality of the Economist and her wish to ring alarm bells was incompatible.
I am afraid this lady has decided the reverse, so much of what she knows is true is wrapped up into generalities.
I applaud her work, its an excellent book but training in Oxford and the BBC shines through
Yes, the truth here is harsh and needs to be exposed as such. Generalities and aiming for "neutrality' are not compatible with the harsh truth of what lies behind all of this.
Agreed
I do agree with you, but I also feel like if we're ever going to get through to large numbers of people on the other side of this issue, I think it's going to take a mixture of approaches to appeal to different types of people. Some people have their eyes open by a more aggressive approach (e.g. Kellie Jay Kean), others are completely put off by her. Some people will be more likely to listen to the BBC style, more gentle approach of Hannah Barnes. There's room for different people to approach this in different ways.
@@kayoss2306 I get that approach, but she has a very particular knowledge base, and her delivery has little clarity, those newly interested will find her explanation contradictory.
They meant well but made mistakes is not the story at GIDS/Taverstock.
This wouldn’t be the same Helen Joyce who cite Jennifer bileks anti semitic conspiracy theories in her book would it
If it were not for channels like this, we would have only an official version to rely on. I now realise how the system lies and manipulates us.
I know! I can't stomach the mainstream.
After 10 or so minutes I had the exact same feeling. Why is she holding back, what is she hiding, what is she afraid of, who is she afraid of. Why is she prevaricating.
She's afraid of upsetting the gatekeepers in her upper middle class world.
@@kingcosworth2643 totally agree. It's also very common for them to admit but minimise a problem once the cat is well and truly out of the bag. It relieves the pressure of public opinion whilst controlling the narative to some degree. It futher helps mitigate the appearance of complicity.
"children might have been harmed" The biggest euphemism I've ever heared.
Ewe-phemisms work great on sheep!
Yes the transcode is rife with euphemisms.
That's just a baw faced lie rather than a euphemism.
It is the BIG lie though.
What is scary, I'm in America. She answers questions like many people running our country answers questions. Scary and embarrassing for me to admit.
Savile liked Euphemisms.
“What’s the worst that can happen?”, she asks!
Well here in American people lose their jobs & are stamped with the Scarlett letter on their persona called, “Transphobe”. And look at JK Rowling.
The way she dances around the the truth says she's knows exactly what can happen.
Exactly
This was hard to watch with how she was terrified of saying the wrong thing!
What ever happened to giving children counseling before life changing procedures? Not to mention the money train that is generated when a child is placed on this path!!
100 years from now this will be up there with lobotomies!
This woman clearly wants to speak out against it, but in her heart she is still engrossed in the idealogy that made it all happen.
This woman was just sitting on the fence, seemingly acknowledging but also tip-toeing around the horror of what has been done and is being done to these children. To me, it just sounded like a woke person who has somewhat of a brain, who clearly sees the destruction wreaked by these sorts of 'medical professionals', but is terrified to say it as it is.
Finally at 1:09:33 Hannah says about Tavistock, “If you don’t have the data… the follow up…[information] how can you be experts? What are you experts in?” This is literally a criminal enterprise practicing child abuse with a smile and “good intentions.” It is an object lesson in catastrophic outcomes when ideological capture takes over an institution and the people tasked with caring for patients/children don’t care as much about their welfare as they do wokefare. Hannah apologizes way too much for The Manson Family that is running the clinic. They all need to lose their licenses to care for anyone, and be charged with assault.
yes, she is full of careful justification. uhgh
Just a random thought as a parent to a teenager… maybe part of the therapy should include abstinence from social media
18 yrs age restriction on social media
@@paulthomassen5007 Completely agree. Ban phones in school while we are at it.
38yold, no kids, looking form outside... Good point, but also my question is: if we talking about kids; what about family therapy sessions?
BBC committed to impartiality ???😂😂😂
She probably is. In fact most of them probably are in their conscious mind. That doesn’t mean their coverage is free from bias.
That's called double think and double speak and being a useful idiot, the only thing these pdfiles are committed to is depopulation and destroying the family using women as the tools
More like impartialideez nuts
Ha, ha, ha - yes.
I don’t know how they stopped themselves from laughing….!
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I mean… yeah?
What no one is ks willing to say to these people who are suffering is that it is impossible to transition to the opposite sex. This is the biggest hoodwink to ever be pulled off in public.
I'm deeply deeply thankful that Hannah wrote this book. But I have to add, we all KNOW that no one can change sex, and we all KNEW it. This debacle is exemplary as to how trying to be nice by enabling a lie in medicine will destroy lives. First do no harm. Why was this carried out as am experiment?
She's part of the problem. Just wrote the book for a bit of money.
@@josephsolowyk7697you can still believe that adults can be free to do with their bodies as they wish, and believe that kids cannot do what an adult can do. Transitioning as an adult is an adult choice, it's consensual. Transitioning a child is not consensual by default. You can be ok with adults transitioning, and not ok with what they're doing to kids... Not everyone does everything for money
No, adults are not 100% free to do what they want with their body. In almost every case where someone says “it doesn’t affect anybody else”… it bloody well does further down the line.
If you just want to start painting, go for it. If you want to upend social norms built around biological realities, then that does negatively affect others and so even adults should absolutely NOT have the right to do that.
And this isn’t controversial: we don’t allow people to murder. We don’t allow others to steal. We don’t allow people to use the hardest level of drugs despite this supposedly just being their choice.
Exactly lets get back to common sense. No you can't change your gender, adults are back in the room. @@kelly4187
No you can't do with your body as you wish, I mean you LITERALLY can, you could chop off your hand or off yourself in the river, but we shouldn't allow that sort of behaviour.
I'm bringing back ethics and logic your comment has been utterly disavowed.@@meowmeow797
this woman doesn't care that this abuse is happening - she just thinks it needs to be tracked better so they can justify it more readily.
Well done for getting through this interview, guys. It felt like trying to nail jelly to the wall.
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It really did she is brainwashed and deluded it was painful listening to her sorry to say
So glad I’m not the only one
Great analogy, I felt the same way listening to her.
A member of my family, a young girl, was diagnosed as autistic 8 years ago, at the age of 10. They told her parents that she might develop gender dysphoria. So, the people testing for autism knew full well of the connection.
I work for the BBC and we're absolutely committed to impartiality... turned off at that point. I'm sick of EVERYONE lying to me!
yeah, it really puts her credibility into question.
Something to note. She says that the 'distress' has to last for 6 months, but how they find that out is asking the child how long they have felt that way. Add on TikTok and even UA-cam guides on how to get your diagnosis as quickly as possible, as in step by step guides on what to say to clinicians to get access to blockers. Even worse is certain trans activists whom have essentially turned into drug dealers for cross sex hormones or blockers, and run private chat rooms to encourage all this under the guise of being a "safe space". That is to say, kids will definitely lie to get what they want, and without an observable or measurable test we shouldn't be giving out any medication (especially of this level). It's an issue in the medical field as a whole, and is also why people were able to self-report headaches or back pain and with no tests were loaded up with oxycontin.
Shoot, even The Trevor Project who portrays themselves as merely a mental health and suicide hotline for young LGBT people has features to instantly close the window and delete it from history to avoid detection (so you can hide it from parents), and hosts a forum with a significant pedo presence. An awful lot of adults talking to kids about sexual things and attempting to arrange hook-ups.
In the next few years, horror stories of what is being down now are going to emerge.
A lot of people are going to have to account for what they have done.
So many people have harmed their own children now, or allowed them to come to harm - and those parents make the fiercest defenders of the ideology. It's going to be hard to stop regardless of the evidence (mere evidence can be written off as 'far right hate' or 'conspiracy theories')
No. After the implementation of the climate lockdowns a global civil war will start. This trans hoax will only be remembered as one of many.
No, they will be immune.
According to the JAMA, doctors are the THIRD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH in the USA.
It’s already started yet it’s being ignored -at least in theUS
I don't think there will be any accountability but I'd settle for it stopping
This woman so desperately wants trans to be true. No matter what she’s witnessed she still can’t admit the truth. She NEEDS to frame it to herself as some people were genuinely trans and some aren’t, and it’s a real shame that some of the non-genuine trans people got caught up in the net.
Totally.
And she goes on talking as though the problem they discovered--the big aha! moment--was that these treatments (eg. puberty blockers) weren't working for some people, rather than being fundamentally misguided as a medical approach.
This is a good example of the thought process on the micro level that causes communist to look at every failed example of communism in the past and say that wasn't real communism we will get it this time.
@@philipmoss4027 It's disgusting.
It's real but it is rare and very specific; 1/10,000 births. That means, in the U.S. there might be about 350 out of 350 million ppl. Once she saw it hit 1,000 she should have slammed on her brakes. Now, 1.3 million ppl claim to be trans.
@@tonybparalegalwhat specific physical condition are you referring to?
Thank you Ms Barnes and the hosts. This is a horrible thing that has been done to our children. Our society has allowed people with mental instability to make determinations about children’s well being. It has been and is a tragedy.
This lady seemed detached from the real horror of what has happened to some of these children. She appeared to show more empathy for the staff and their situation despite the fact they discovered new information that it was dangerous for children but kept on regardless. These were children knowingly given dangerous medical treatment?? WTF??
I know ! I'm sorry, but she makes me sick!
The idea that we should be satisfied if there are young people that say they're happy with being sterilised is indicative of the problem. I couldn't care about their feelings. This precedent of letting a flat earth belief lead medical ethics IS the problem.
That's the way it's always been. Think about how Doctors have handled different races. Or women. And sterilizing minorities has been a huge thing for decades. Many of the women didn't know or understand anything either. This isn't a new thing. This is just the latest thing brought about by strange beliefs.
Its alarming to me that a medical professional could think that blockers would be reversible.
They should know better, I was told Doctors were highly educated!
They are highly educated in a certain way, such as learning and memorizing complex information and applying it in various situations. Not necessarily highly educated in independent thought. But yeah, you'd think that one would be obvious even to a basic biology student...
Post covid we no doctors have no issue with medically experimenting on patients with drugs that have not been trialled.
It's alarming to me that a medical professional could think that experimental gene therapy injections, with a proven 1 in 600 severe side effect profile, are safe and effective.
Doctors are highly educated, but it's by a system based on making money, not healing people.
Doctors who aren't surgeons are usually incredibly dumb.
But surely testosterone can be reversed by oestrogen, and vice versa? No? You're going to tell me next that yin can't be reversed by yang.
My advice to the boys and girls in my area is: "Have fun playing the role of any gender you feel like, but wait until you're 25 before cutting anything off".
25 was my number as well.
Jesus. 25 before you can have sex but you can die for your country at 18? Why? I mean I took to 27 to save up for it, but I was very lucky to have a more patient boyfriend than normal. Sounds transphobic, like that 2% regret rate is SO scary, but suffering of the 98% means nothing because fuck them right?
She's so unwilling to commit to anything! what else can you expect from a BBC journalist.
@neptune4375when something is as blatantly and obviously harmful as blocking normal puberty and mutilating or amputating healthy body parts, you need only common sense, not studies.
Blockers and hormones in kids are highly experimental. How anyone can claim those prescribing these meds didn't realize they were harming children is absurd. It only takes common sense to figure that out.
"He didn't get his period until…"
Tell me you're not worth listening to without telling me you're not worth listening to.
Man, this journalist really doesn’t want to say anything bad about the dear old BBC or these doctors eh? It’s not sympathy for victims, from what I can tell. More fear of criticism and maybe even agreeing with most of the trans movement. Listened as long as I could, I’m out.
@ShawnKWHumphrey The only reason her book was published was on the basis of the angle of demanding that the care model for trans children needs to be better and a credential of impartiality rather than a personal agenda. Any outspoken personal view in any other context would be labelled transphobic and then you have the problem that noone will publish you or sell your book in their stores for fear of the backlash...and then what you have to show about what's happening would never get out there.
Agreed
If Hannah's won awards then that can only indicate the parlous state of journalism.
She kept equivocating and prevaricating. It was very frustrating listening to her hedging her words when her message should have been simple and clear.
What really did it for me was her response to KK at the end where she claimed she couldn't imagine gathering the pertinent data.
Well, Hannah, given that your interview involved you describing how the medical establishment hadn't got data on autistic referrals , that seems like quite the reversal. However, your constant use of the word 'happiness' rather than 'health' shows where your motivations lie.
You may have kicked off a conversation, but it is clear that you need to step back and let people with greater intellects step in and work out how this situation can be resolved.
Yes, we want the greatest happiness of the greatest number, but that does not involve encouraging the greatest number to flirt with being unhappy just to prop up the few who are confused.
Beautiful response! Slow clap.
Nicely articulated.
👏 👏 👏
And with courage
For someone who writes for a living, she sure has a difficult time coming up with words to express her thoughts. Just say it, it's a really terrible time in medicine leading to not only blanket distrust but should end in criminal charges because we all know the money was too much of a carrot for these medical professionals at the expense of children's futures.
Writing for a living is a lot easier than having to earn one's crust via speaking, live, and directly in front of people. That I can sound vaguely coherent online but will appear almost stupidly simple when asked a straightforward question IRL, is proof enough of that. She is of an ilk that doesn't get recruited for their blistering intellect, but because of their propensity to toe the party line and repeat the party lines. Hence her reluctance to say too much - at any point during this interview - that might lead her to fall out of favour with her bosses, her betters and her benefactors. Money talks, but this Hannah gal sure as hell doesn't want to.
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This woman aggressively argues against trying to ballpark estimates because "how could we possibly have that data?" but she also sympathizes with the doctors who mutilated children despite lacking the data to support it. She's 100% part of the problem even if she is a whistleblower in this particular case.
When this ideology falls, and it has to soon because it’s no longer possible to deny how wrong this is, watch those who promoted & supported the sterilisation of vulnerable young girls try to deny their position.
Thankfully social media makes it easy to keep the receipts! I stand with JKR!
She's wrong, the new media DID lead on this issue. It's just no one paid attention. When the BBC did it, that's when people paid attention. This issue was heading up in 2014, and the only people that knew this were in New media
Just like with every other issue. We're a few years ahead on everything
Painful to watch. What else can I say? This is not how healthcare is supposed to work. It is so obvious.
This riport is a sad attempt at saving face. It is clear there are ideologues at play here.
"I don't think there were many ideologues at the clinic!" Really? I can't think of a movement that is less infiltrated by ideologues!
Even if one kid (who wasn't ill) is harmed by a negligent doctor, for me it is a major medical scandal
She's trying so hard not to lose her job while also trying to half assedly warn people. But you can tell she knows what the deal is and its shaken her to her progressive core.
A youth group for young LGBT teens was started in West Cork, Ireland around 2012. Out of 14 kids, 13 identified as Trans, one girl as bisexual. Not one identified as gay or lesbian.
Why do you think that is? I'm old enough to remember when gays and lesbians were closeted. Is it still (I'm horrified if this is the case) so awful to be lesbian or gay that going through transition is preferable? My gut tells me some of these children are experiencing same sex attraction, but don't want to be labeled gay?
2012? It’s definitely taken over the gay scene in Dublin, but from 2019 onwards
carolthurston2780, it seems to me that an awful lot of abuse directed at gays and lesbians is coming from trans activists. Lesbians especially are in the firing line. Lesbians have been excluded from pride parades, told they must date and have sex with transwomen (men), etc. If some children are saying they're trans rather than homosexual it might be because of the above and/or trans get more support, kudos and attention.
A gay youth group/club is going to always have people just making a claim that isn't true... They're going along because their friends all do, or there's free food, or they feel accepted there.
You get similar things with the Christian groups in schools or the Friday night church youth groups. They're mostly going for the food or friendship, not for the prayer and Bible talks.
Wow!
The parents of transitioners and the drs. , therapists involved in transitioning kids will hang on to their positions supporting this gender ideology even stronger. To do otherwise admits the evil they have brought upon the children in their care. I am glad she came forward.
"The parents of transitioners and the drs. , therapists involved in transitioning kids will hang"
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The Tavistock clinic is STILL doing its dirty work. There are hundreds of children on their waiting list. Her coverage has not put a stop to this medical malpractice 😢
A drunk driver doesn't "intend" hurt someone.. but we still hold them accountable. Why should a licensed doctor be treated any different.
The Doctors would be middle class professional liberals, so they are exempt.
She does seem very defensive about the Tavistock even though she wasn't part of it, I find that very odd. Dr Deborah Soh had this nailed (imo) ages ago when she said the majority of Trans would either be mentally unwell, gay or in the case of late age trans women, autogynophiliacs. You can see that Hannah is thinking about every answer she gives, trying not to land herself in the brown sticky stuff if she says the 'wrong' thing. Sad to see.
Negligence is no excuse. And anyone who highlighted what was so wrong about it was shouted down. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
What I heard was that they knew sure enough that most of these kids would have been gay but they continued to destroy these children. That's unforgivable. They should face serious charges. This can't happen again and it's still going on. Prison. All of them who didn't leave or speak up.
48:14 she admitted that the clinic was under financial pressure to keep sending these kids down this path. All for money.
There is no money in telling the kids to just run along and be gay. Empathy and care for others is far rarer then what people claim it to be.
Listen, Hannah’s book is an incredible collection of testimonies and hard data, and I respect how thorough and measured she is with her own opinions and how she conducts herself in interviews.
With that said, it is also infuriating how resistant she is when it comes to labeling this obvious medical scandal what it is: a medical scandal of massive child abuse, funded by the state with little to no oversight (with plenty of coverups along the way.)
It's perfectly clear that she knows this is a massive scandal, she would like to say so, but then stops herself for some reason. I understand the fear of repercussions but she's already neck deep in the controversy, especially after writing such a detailed account of the timeline. Calling this a scandal should be the easiest thing to do at this point, and every opportunity she doesn't do so serves only to dilute the impact of her amazing book.
I have not read her book but but I have a feeling you are right after watching the interview. I think she may be stuck between a rock and a hard place (journalistically). Fair play to KK, I could see he wanted to press more but held back. I think the interview showed that we don't have to scream, shout or be obnoxious to see different points of view. And fair play to Hannah, she stood her ground but..........
You guys are still underestimating the backlash. J.k is getting deaf threats daily. People saying they are going to come and rape her and her children. What she is doing is saying here is the data I have. Read it and make up your own mind. She might even convince different people with this approach then others already against it.
She’s scared to become jkr-she’s a hack
Smiling every 10 seconds is highly counterproductive on a subject as horrendous as this.
Thanks this travesty to children is now being publicly revealed. Hannah should take credit for her book....but she falls far too short in this interview.
She's a bit vague and defensive, self censoring and choosing her words very carefully, clearly values her career 🤫
So much mercy and compassion for butchers and not for children. It makes my stomach hurt!