Helen Joyce: Trans is a godless neo-religion. Gender identity, ideology and drag show story hour.
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Helen Joyce is an Irish journalist and a critic of trans ideology. She studied as a mathematician and worked in academia before becoming a journalist. From 2005 to 2022 she was a staff writer for The Economist, where she held a variety of jobs including education editor, Brazil correspondent (based in São Paulo), International editor, Finance editor and Britain editor.
She published her book Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality in 2021. It was reissued in 2023 under a new title: “Trans: Gender Identity and the New Battle for Women’s Rights”.
Chapters:
00:00 Helens background at The Economist, and as a mathematician, turned journalist.
06:30 Commonalities between mathematics and journalism in their search for truth and evidence?
09:49 Why did you write the book «Trans - Gender identity and the new battle for women’s rights»?
12:15 Trans is a godless neo-religion
16:16 We didn’t evolve to be right. We evolved to survive and reproduce.
21:24 The transcendental part of trans
22:10 Were you brave for writing the book?
27:23 The reception of the book. Threats? Hate? Cancellation?
33:28 Are publications afraid of loosing advertisers?
36:32 What is this all about?
41:39 Data shows that 90% stop feeling dysphoric
45:36 The doctors don’t really want to know the long term results.
47:07 Gender correcting surgery is the lobotomy of our time, and proof that it’s an ideology.
49:15 Diane Ehrensaft, a professor of pediatrics California: Kids down to age 3 should start gender affirming care.
56:09 Combining medical and legal meticulousness with new age surgery based on ideology.
01:02:11 What’s the deepest source of all this madness?
01:11:31 In Norway the therapist will no longer be allowed to question the patients idea of being in the wrong gender.
01:15:29 Gender is older than trees. 1.2 Billion years old. Hostility to categories.
01:20:19 Is this an opposition to God? God created humans in his image, to male and female He created them.
01:23:13 The paradox of gender ideology making the categories of gender even more narrow.
01:26:11 Schoolbooks i Norway, and gender ideology pushed onto kids from early on.
01:31:09 Jordan Peterson: «There’s no difference between thinking about yourself all the time, and being miserable.»
01:34:37 No doctor would say «yes, you are too fat» to a kid with anorexia.
01:37:48 Doctors give parents impossible ultimatums. And parents loose custody of their kids for not complying to gender surgery.
01:39:47 School curriculums on gender ideology.
01:45:29 Drag shows in kindergarten.
01:48:34 The term Gender Identity.
01:49:42 Bill C-16 in Canada, and compelled speech.
01:56:47 What is identity?
02:04:51 Helen’s road ahead
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Helen Joyce inspires me to tell people calmly to their faces that I don’t believe in transgenderism, and to hell with the social punishment.
Same here. I’d be called a transphobe because of my views, this really isn’t the end of the world!
Absolutely! I am not sure I would dare be so bold in saying: NO, I AM DONE WITH THE LIES, if it weren’t for the brilliant Helen Joyce who’s reasoning helped me work it all out with confidence. I LOVE this woman!!!
Until the social punishment is that you lose your job or get arrested
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That’s exactly why more of us should speak up, strength in numbers and all that?
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree that’s not social punishment.
And the BBC haven't given this most sensible woman a minute of time because the activists in their organisation won't have her on.
I don't think she will be getting a column in the Irish Times either!
They fear what they cannot fight.
- HA
BBC are cowards, defund them.
Ditto for the (Australian) ABC
It’s utter madness
Helen Joyce is a fantastic,well informed advocate for reality and truth.
Who reads fanfic involving children
@@jesipohl6717 who researchs her topic
The fact that we have Helen Joyce on the right side of this issue fills me with confidence that logic and common sense will ultimately prevail. I am profoundly grateful. Thank you Helen! I will do my small part by resolving always to speak the truth on this issue no matter the consequence!
Is that how sad your life really is? That you have to interfere with other people's lives.
@@karalyne1460 So can you explain how to hope that "common sense will prevail" and "resolving always to speak the truth on this issue" is "to interfere with other people's lives"?
Sounds like you're projecting to me.
She’s also a pro Zion1sm ideologist too so obviously her moral compass isn’t her greatest strength to be fair and from a fellow Irish person this is outrageously evil&very disappointing she’s taken this gen0cide denying side!!
I’m not an advocate of the trans cult whatsoever but she’s vile and has shown her true colours!! Won’t ever value her or other GC’s voice or take on ethical issues when they’re obviously morally bankrupt themselve& clearly don’t care about the pal3stinian women&children human rights&dignity!!!!
One might argue that we all interfere with one another’s lives to some degree, when we live and participate in society no?
The question becomes, when is that interference warranted and appropriate?
For example, those seeking to police the language of others, their ability to speak the truth and describe the reality of the world around them, might be seen to be ‘interfering with other people’s lives’. The odd insistence by some that one can ‘own’ pronouns is something I’m prepared to oppose, as I find it particularly egregious.
Another example might be, the insistence of some men that they be given access to single sex spaces which are designated for women and girls. I’d say that could be deemed ‘interference’ and as such I am prepared to strongly object to that as well.
And finally but by no means least - indoctrination of children into an ideology which deliberately seeks to confuse their sense of biological reality, lie to them about being able to change sex and potentially lead them down a path of medicalisation for life and - I very much believe that to be ‘interfering’ - not only do I oppose this ‘interference’ but it’s the hill I’m opting to die on.
Indeed. I mean it’s not like she could be on the other side though is it? I mean if you think about it the gender idealogy is so regressive and antithetical to rational thought that there aren’t any good thinkers on that side of the debate. Which is why they don’t engage in debates and why the cult protest wherever these impressive people speak.
This was one of the best conversations on the “gender debate” I’ve listened to in quite a while. Thank you, to the both of you, for your words.
If you enjoyed this, I highly recommend all of the videos by Genspect, and also Gender: A Wider Lens.
Thank you so much!!
And in particular the Helen Joyce conversations with gender dysphoria alliance and with Nesh Nikolic.
This one here and the two I mentioned are a level above and always different. Helen seems to have a run.
@@TheNesbittExperienceThank you, I'll check those out. This was a brilliant, clear discussion, great for sharing.
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"Never go along with the delusion, because you'll lose control of the ward." Such a good analogy of where we are right now.
Of course using the language of prisons is her choice to talk about children. I wonder how her fanfic Obsession with kids figures into that?
@@jesipohl6717 Not a prison, a mental asylum. It's a fitting analogy.
How brilliant! Yes, indeed, that is exactly it.
As an Irish woman, I'm really impressed by the interviews I've seen with Helen Joyce. She's right that there seems to be a silencing process around her book here. I did manage to get hold of it but had to specifically ask for it in a bookshop. It wasn't on display. I tried to get the Graham Linehan memoir the other day and managed to create a fuss in the bookshop by even asking (I enjoy doing this sort of thing just to make a point about freedom of expression and censorship). It wasn't on display, the staff member spent 10 mins looking for it in storage, and I got the impression from a tense conversation between staff members there had been an incident where a batch of copies was damaged.
I've had a lot of encounters with the left in the past due to being part of it on certain issues, and had already noticed the tendency toward herd-like dogmatism. However, I've never come across anything like this sort of censorship. If a group is on the defensive to this degree, there is something deeply wrong (I know this anyway, after reading the Hannah Barnes book). By the way, gender studies did not always push this agenda. I studied it in the '90s when it was still Women's Studies and it was more about freedom of (gender) expression within the boundaries of the gender you were born into and reclaiming women's history and literature, as well as studying gender patterns in society from a sociological point of view - the idea of changing gender was not on the agenda at all at that time. I'm assuming this discipline has now been hijacked also (I'm out of touch with what's happening as I write in the IT space now, which is a lot less contentious obviously, though I have encountered it aired in some of the more trendy IT companies, where there tends to be massive virtue signalling).
Which bookshop was it? If in Dublin, I will also go in and ask for the titles! I’m a former librarian, now an artist; I would have considered myself left of centre but now I’m apparently far right…it is frightening and frustrating to see what is happening. It’s a cult as far as I’m concerned.
Hi @@healingcreationsmandalaart5056 - Dubray Books, Mary Street, Dublin (just up from the Ilac Centre, and opposite the Jervis St. Centre). I empathise! Though, I don't think it's far-right to query what's been happening with giving children puberty blockers and transitioning them, or to defend women in sports, or to speak out in favour of women's privacy in public spaces such as changing rooms or bathrooms, or to say it's wrong for male sexual predators who suddenly decide to 'self-identify' as women to be placed in women's prisons. It's definitely very cult-like, this ideology. I am not even posting under my usual name here because my own industry is permeated by it and I'd rather not lose my job. It's really really scary, what's happening: I only realised the full extent of it in the last couple of years, and it's dawned on me that I may feel the need to make a stand properly at some point, and do some financial planning accordingly (I know from previous experience about the need to have a bit of a nest egg if you do serious activism).
This is one of those strange times when the concerns of the radical feminists converge with the concerns of the evangelical religious right. It happened in the '80s for a while with the profileration of pornography, but I'd say this is even more important.
You’re correct about gender studies and education in general being captured. If I could suggest another book for your reading list, Cynical Theories, by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay, examines the roots of Critical Theory, of which gender studies is just one offshoot. Pluckrose and Lindsay are academics and the book can be heavy going at times due to the nature of what they're exploring (especially when unpicking the impenetrable prose of Judith Butler) but it really sheds light on how we got to where we are today.
@@nforne I will look into the books. I was also exposed to critical theory before in the sense that postmodernism had made inroads into the humanities around the time I was in college. I knew two people who went on to do post-grad in postmodernism at trendy U.K. universities, both of whom had mental breakdowns during their studies. Somehow, this fact sums things up in my head around that intellectual trend.
I wish I had been standing behind you in the queue in the bookshop! I would have been holding your coat 😂
Thank you to Helen Joyce for pointing out so well that the Emporor has no clothes. The world is in a strange place when one can actually be arrested and lose ones job for saying that someone with a penis is not necessarily a woman. Not so long ago that was rather self-evident.
Sorry, who was this who got arrested for saying that exactly?
A person with a penis is always a man! How silly to think he can be anything else.
Stock quit her job
Joyce reads fanfic involving kids on the train
Helen Joyce produced the audible version of ‘Trans’ in a cupboard under the stairs! Now that’s dedication! It’s also a wonderful book to listen to!!
If it’s good enough for Harry Potter!
Sometimes that’s the best place to soundproof for recording purposes.
Not really. It's just one of thousands of charlatans like her who want to bake a buck online but have nothing practical and positive to contribute to the world. So I steady peddles shite that I cites hatred and tries to pass it off as caring for others. She doesn't care about the welfare of them people she claims to. She's just another poultice who thrive off others hate
It's not a hard thing to do making media at home
I made a living doing it for years. But see, I taught people how to do things in web design and IT. A positive contribution.
Been doing it a lit longer than the years she has and I don't research my material by talking to kids on twitter.
It's always so heartearm7ng when majority people write hateful about minorities, the queens way really! I wonder if the queen, like Joyce, also read fanfic of Harry Potter involving children.
Do you actually have a point, Jesi? You’ve been informed that she read the material as a means to rebut it; do you bother to educate yourself about that with which you disagree, or do you simply scream at those whose views contradict your uninformed worldview? Additionally, do you think that bleating about ‘hate’ (and I wouldn’t be surprised if you whine ‘bigot’ or ‘transphobe’ at anyone who doesn’t support your worldview; have you called others ‘Nazis’ - showing your complete ignorance of history - if they won’t agree with your pseudo-religion) makes anyone listen to you? Why do you think it is morally virtuous to say that a man is a woman if he claims to be one? How does that make you a better person?
Helen Joyce's book, Trans, is a must-read for anyone who wants to understand this whole gender woo thing. Also, this was my first time listening to a Henrik Beckheim podcast and I really enjoyed it. Thank you.
What you mean is for anyone who already doesn't want to beleive scientific fact and want affirmation from some charlatan who bases their research on talking to kids on twitter. She sits here listing off a whole load of blatant lies then has the cheek to say others speak fiction
Joyce reads HP fanfic involving kids.
Same here. Excellent interview. Thank you both for the time!🙏
We are so lucky to have Helen. An intellectual voice of reason in a world of narcissistic nutters
Plenty of non-transgendered 'narcissistic nutters'. Perhaps they should put their own house in order first before scapegoating a tiny minority of the population.
No your the narcissique. Sadisme .
She’s also a pro Zion1sm ideologist too so obviously her moral compass isn’t her greatest strength to be fair and from a fellow Irish person this is outrageously evil&very disappointing she’s taken this gen0cide denying side!!
I’m not an advocate of the trans cult whatsoever but she’s vile and has shown her true colours!! Won’t ever value her or other GC’s voice or take on ethical issues when they’re obviously morally bankrupt themselve& clearly don’t care about the pal3stinian women&children human rights&dignity!
Joyce reads fanfic involving kids, fact
Always learn something new from Helen, she’s so correct we have to row this back in all forms
Henrik- well done. This conversation was so engaging. I love that you took your time and really covered the whole issue (in it's complexity and nuance). Helen Joyce is my go-to person for all things gender ideology related. At one point during this interview, I literally clapped and gave her a standing O! keep this conversation going loud and strong!
Wow! Thank you so much for these kind words!
Same! I LOVE THIS WOMAN!!!
@@HenrikBeckheim yeh thanks Henrik! You REALLY covered this hateful bilge in a TOTALLY unbiased way 😂
You let this creep just fart out her nonsense and added to the hatred of a minority who have never and will never affect your life.
Stunning and brave
What a rational, intelligent woman.
Who reads fanfic involving children for enjoyment.
@@jesipohl6717 lol delusional
Can we all agree to use the word “gender” ONLY when we’re talking about linguistics?
exactly!!!!
Can we not use it at all? What is gender really except sex based stereotypes?
I would like it if we all agree to call this what it is… CONTRA-SEXUAL (against your biological sex).
Contra-sexual males are men with a sexual fetish about looking like a woman. Period. This is about normalizing kink and fetish by protecting this behavior under the umbrella of LGB rights. It’s all bullshit
@@jayjee735. I believe the post is referring to languages like French or Spanish that gender nouns such as pen and pencil. El lapiz, for example.
@@jayjee735 applying female pronouns to ships is about all that's left in English.
Helen you are just a person who sees things as they are. You are inspirational in that you're prepared to say them. It is brave in that, incredulously, it breaks the mould. But more and more people are seeing the truth about this regressive ideology. Keep doing what you're doing. Really enjoyed this discussion (and I've seen most of yours on UA-cam). Thank you for your clarity and thought and guidance.
So many cisguys love this women,I wonder if they have the same interests as Joyce, who recently came out about reading fanfic involving children.
I absolutely adore Helen Joyce! Every time I listen to her, I feel like I've learned something new about this issue. Thanks to you both and Happy New Year🎉❤!
Here's a new fact, she was recently caught reading fanfic involving minors on the train. Your Goto for transhate seems overlap interested in children. She gave the 'to catch a predator answer' of " I was doing research". Who wants to leave their kids with this person?
This woman is just brilliant. Compare her clear, reality-based communication to the incoherent, fantasy-based ideology of the gender cultists.
I'll do what I like with my body so mind your own business you maggot
She’s also a pro Zion1sm ideologist too so obviously her moral compass isn’t her greatest strength to be fair and from a fellow Irish person this is outrageously evil&very disappointing she’s taken this gen0cide denying side!!
I’m not an advocate of the trans cult whatsoever but she’s vile and has shown her true colours!! Won’t ever value her or other GC’s voice or take on ethical issues when they’re obviously morally bankrupt themselve& clearly don’t care about the pal3stinian women&children human rights&dignity
54:18 That barrette story, wow. . . 🤦🏾♀️
I was a tomboy who ABSOLUTELY would've been "diagnosed" as a trans boy if I'd been born in this century instead of the 20th century. And -- like many autistic kids -- I HATED any clothing or accessories that "grabbed" at me (like hair barrettes). They felt constricting and uncomfortable and "itchy".
I even used to tell my biological parents I "should" have been born a boy. Not just "I wish" but "I _SHOULD_ have been born a boy" . . . especially when puberty hit me like an Australian Road Train. 😱😫
The thought of being "cursed" with this every MONTH completely grossed me out; and if I'd had access to puberty blockers, I definitely would've taken them.
So I'm grateful there was no "opportunity" for me to get "gender affirming care", because now -- as a woman -- I have an intact body, and I wasn't sterilized, and I have good strong bones.
And -- even as a woman -- I was able to find a special niche of work in a job I LOVED: Post-disaster response. I couldn't lift what my male coworkers could, of course; _however,_ my small size and female hip-flexibility were huge assets: I could access tiny, narrow debris voids which my coworkers couldn't fit into; and I could navigate across unstable fields of rubble without breaking through because of my lighter body weight.
I'm not surprised an unusually high proportion of "trans kids" are on the autism spectrum, given the ridiculous alleged "cues" like the barrette story. FFS, I know plenty of very feminine women who don't like the way barrettes yank at their hair.
I have a six year old dinosaur obsessed princess. I dread to think what they’d make of her.
I was also a Tom boy but I am a very happy woman in a fairly traditional marriage with two children.
Thank you for sharing.
Hair beads (and barettes AND rubber bands), were the thing for young black girls when I was growing up- now, that the spectrum is so wide and considering my family's mental health history, I may be located, on the spectrum lol
- I hatedddd beads, barettes and rubber bands. I hated the hair grease, I hated hair appts. I now, wear my natural afro, most times if I don't straighten, at home🤍
Amen, to Liberations of all sort that require no maiming, or mutilations.
99% of trans people are happy with affirmation medical interventions, compare 85% of elective cosmetic surgeries.
The number of kids getting cosmetic invasive surgeries is about 100x more as the barrier to it is parental approval, whereas trans people have to jump through beurocratic hoops.
All the Tomboys hating on trans women makes perfect sense. ((Some)) tom boys grew up hating women and are the worst misogynists, trans women are simply the easiest target for such "mean girls".
I’ve seen Helen on many podcasts and this was excellent. Her ideas were flowing perfectly. 🎉
Pfft. You must have a sad life
This is the best interview I‘ve seen with Helen Joyce. I love the fact that you gave her space to expound on her ideas. Helen illustrating the ways in which we arrived at this strange (and mad) place - where we question something as fundamental as sex - was very illuminating. Great job, Henrik! (And thank you, Helen!)
Well if you class this drivel as good, then it just goes to show how illiterate you are. I bet you probably read The Sun and take that for gospel too.
Where's the resources to the fiction she talks?
Even a bad article would provide that. So if you call this good, then ....pfft. whatever
Next time ask her about her reading fanfic involving minors on a train in public.
She’s fantastic. My favorite GC speaker. Thank you for hosting this.
Recently Joyce was caught reading explicit fanfic involving children on the train. She literally claimed the "to catch a predator defense" of, "I was doing research".
Stunning interview! And Henrik, I appreciate how you gave Helen the space (and time) to explore this fascinating subject at length. I was particularly impressed by her describing this movement as a religion/cult ... which it is. A fascinating and enjoyable way to pass the time on NYE!!
Stunning? Not really. I don't see any references to substantiate her info.
@@karalyne1460what type of references would sway you? I’m guessing none.
Great podcast! Helen is a very well spoken and well informed guest, and I certainly learned a lot from watching this!
Joyce reads explicit fanfic involving children
People, let’s stop calling it cancelling. It’s an euphemism. Call it what it really is; shunning.
It's the modern version of exile.
You're canceling canceling?!
Insightful comment…and so on the money as it reinforces the clear fact that this is a puritanical branch of Godfree Wokery
How can supposedly science trained people believe that there is a * you ," that is in the the ^ wrong" body , do they beñieve in reimcarnation ? If so they should say sp and stop pretending this is scoencr
Worse oftentimes, it's literally purposefully ruining people's lives. It's treachery by fellow members of society
Helen Joyce would be a great teacher. I went to journalism school; having a teacher like her would have been just wonderful! I've read her book and watched lots of interviews. It never gets boring, and I always learn something new.
The man who won and lost the Nobel Prize for the Lobotomy, Antonio Egas Moniz still has a hospital named after him in Lisbon, Portugal.
Famously, trans people were lobotomised instead of being given affirmative care in many places. But sure compare the solution to the crime.
An excellent interview. Dr. Joyce is wonderfully articulate and fearless, yet her empathy for the victims clearly comes through.
Is that we she reads fanfic involving children in public on the train? Let's ask Chris Henson?
Brilliant conversation.
Thank you.
A Gender Critical book festival! That's what we need . . Would be brilliant!
Great idea!
In Dalkey sponsored by an Irish University, the irish Times and RTE..
In Dalkey sponsored by an Irish University, the irish Times and RTE..
@@tomgreene1843such a good idea you said it twice😁
It was rejected the first time !@@DonBean-ej4ou
I love Helen Joyce's ability to present important facts and back them up, while at the same time being very empathetic and human. She's never angry at ideological opponents, and is respectful of people's feelings, no matter how insane they are to the rest of us. I could never be that patient and civil. She is intellectually curious and that carries her forward. A great mind and speaker on this important topic. It makes me furious when people from the Trans lobby attack her for speaking the truth. She's clearly a caring, feeling person. She's just...fantastic.
Indeed.
Her opinions are by definition hurtful to the trans community, so saying she’s caring and thoughtful….as if that matters, completely ignores what transgenderism is
@@DrDeuteron You clearly weren't paying attention. There is not such thing as a "trans community". There is no man who can become a woman, ever, despite what you have been brainwashed or brow-beaten into believing. No woman can become male. If your feelings are hurt by anything that this woman had to say in the interview, then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. You probably like to think that you are "sticking up for" this imaginary marginalized "community", but you're really just perpetuating falsehoods and trying to make yourself feel like a good person. It's got nothing to do with helping anyone, except maybe your sense of yourself.
It is truth, not opinions, that are hurtful to some (not all) in the trans community.
@@DrDeuteronWhy are the things she says hurtful? She merely speaks the truth, not opinion. What exactly are you (or some in the trans community) taking issue with?
Helen Joyce is one of my MOST admired UA-camrs. In a crazy, upside-down world full of absolute nonsense, listening to her like a breath of fresh air: welcome dose of sanity. ❤
“Never ever even once validate the delusion. If you do that, you will lose control of the ward.” So powerful and stark. We have lost control of the ward.😢
There are trans people in our reality. So who here is delusional?
Joyce also reads fanfic involving minors on the train and claims it's research, where's chris henson when you need him.
Helen Joyce is brilliant. Great interview
Transitioning isn't really a thing. You can only mutilate yourself. Adults should be able to do whatever they want but tax payers shouldn't subsidize it AT ALL. We also shouldn't subsidize detransition. If you go this path, go alone.
Y’all the ones who voted for socialized medicine. Now you want to take back from a protected class?
@DrDeuteron In my opinion, this particular topic should be geared around real mental health help and years of therapy. That will help kids and adults truly know if they are transsexual or if they underlying trauma. That way there would be no de-transitioners. It might also save some children who's parents are pushing them into transion at a very young age. Example Jazz Jennings. We as a society need to do better.
@@DrDeuteronthis is not socialised medicine. it is not medicines at all, it is plastic surgery and should not be funded by the general public taxes.
No, you liberals wanted socialized medicine.
Yeah, I did. So keep your tax and keep the fuck out of my business. You're damn right we can do what we like with our bodies. I'm also a tax payer. A tax payer who employs 60 employees who all pay tax too. So don't sit there making out that you subsidise my life and Medicare. If I wanted to take tax payers help, I'd still be waiting. So you keep your tax as you probably got lots of mine too during your little furlough period of paid holidays while we were still working to fund it knob head
This is one of the best conversations I've heard with Helen and builds on her previous statements and does not simply repeat everything. I would highly recommend clipping the part about mental health as it's a very important message and might get lost amongst the rest of the conversation. It would be great to share just that part as I think it would help people.
Thank you for having Helen Joyce on, she is brilliant and articulate and I am so grateful for the work she is doing. We need more people to step forward and speak sense about this subject.
Helen is so intelligent, I could listen to her all day. Thank you.
Helen Joyce is a gem. Thank you.
Another excelent discussion with Helen Joyce. I was irritated mid-way when Beckheim displayed his ignorance of parents' struggles with this insidious ideology gripping their beloved children, but Joyce did a great job of educating him. It was also valuable to hear at the end both all the ways Joyce is working to bring change, and how she then urged Beckheim and all listeners to stand up as much as possible to create change ourselves. Linehan got shunted even further aside, at the time, for comparing trans ideology's adherents to Nazis, so it was especially good to hear Joyce drawing out the analogy and really explaining it. Thank you for letting this be two hours long, not the usual shorter format of many podcasters.
Timestamp?
What a fabulous, intelligent, eloquent woman.
This was a very very good conversation. Thank you
Happy to see commenters here calling out gender ideology. The more people do it the better
The little girl who used to live next door, whom I used to babysit when I was a teenager, has now transitioned...along with her entire friendship group. Her parents were obviously sceptical but have gone along with it. I live far away from them, and all I can do is pray for them.
In other words, you know a trans person who made friends with other trans people, but in your feeble religious mind you decided this was something bad
@@moif_velocita grow up. a person "claimed to be trans" - when there is no such thing in reality. Women are real, get over it.
@@DreamsOfFinland All human beings are real - what are you talking about you sad little bigot?
@moif_velocita
No she means a group of girls decided en masse to transition. This is social contagion pure & simple.
@@dylanmiller1256 Citation needed
Social contagion and ROGD have both been researched independently and discredited as reasons for people coming out as trans.
Groups of people do not spontaneously suddenly all decide to become Trans. Generally what happens is, people with similar experiences find each other out
Re "gender neutral" toilets - Where the door allows access to a room with a single toilet, this seems perfectly fine and should be uncontroversial.
However, where the door allows access to a common area with multiple cubicles, it is a bad, bad idea indeed.
And those have been introduced with floor to ceiling cement dividers between cubicles. If one is trapped in one with a predator there is no escape.
Helen really is the “bees knees” on gender. Her book is the one that helped me the most after being divorced by my AGP husband. What an eloquent, intelligent and thoroughly nice woman. And Henrik, you are a great listener, thank you.
Helen Joyce is a treasure. An intellectual giant and a truth teller. 💚
If you call getting your info from kids on twitter intellectual. I personally prefer substantiated researcht
@@karalyne1460 Substantiated research underwrites reality - biological sex cannot be changed. And Helen Joyce is not "a kid".
@@karalyne1460 You ought to sell your fantasy someplace else.
When identity is taken as authority, you get what is happening with TRAs.
Standpoint epistemology is actually a thing in academia.
@@ProkofNY Yes, it's an attempt to obtain authority over a subject without requiring or valuing objectivity.
If a mouse has a superior understanding of the opression of the mousetrap, just because of its standpoint as a mouse, why do many mice still go after the cheese? The implication is that the superior type of mouse understands the mousetrap better than all the other mice, via its critical consciousness, and is not trapped. Hence other mice who do not share that understanding are inferiors who deserve their oppression.
@@liberality Yes, it is a sham that makes the ideology’s tenets basically unfalsifiable. Hence, standpoint epistemology makes the ideology religion-like. Also, the whole woke movement to me is emblematic of that movement in Animal Farm when the pigs add the “but some are more equal than others” clause to the rules of the farm. The ideology which doesn’t like to be named is one that centers double standards. No wonder Harvard finds itself where it is right now. Imagine, my husband was there in 2008, the year JKR gave its commencement speech. How far has the institution fallen since then? I believe we can blame standpoint epistemology, double stands and the loop they create for the abandonment of objectivity and Veritas (in case you are unfamiliar, this is Harvard’s motto).
Thank you both for this great interview, I really do hope that it reaches wider audience, much as I hope that truth and reason will ultimately win. I have just finished reading Helen Joyce's book "Trans. When Ideology Meets Reality" and it's one of the best written and best researched books I'd ever had in my hands. I'm hoping that everyone gets to say "Eppur si muove" out loud and without the threat of being fired, silenced, cancelled and what not. Thanks a lot again for the good work!
Thanks for this podcast. A fantastic, rational discussion. Helen is a pleasure to listen to, she lays out her reasoning in a clear and logical way.
Great! Vad bra att du har Helen Joyce med i din podcast!
Great conversation thank you.
I enjoyed this conversation, thank you Henrik. Keep up the amazing work. And Helen, may you continue in good health. Happy New year to you both, to you and yours.
Common sense + brains + courage= Helen Joyce!
Gratulerer med Helen Joyce på programmet!
Hun er 👌🏽x💯
Takk for det! Ja, hun er rå!
What a no nonsense, sensible woman.
Total common sense .
Brilliant conversation.
Being sane depends on other people and society agreeing with some basic facts.
Wonderful and Brilliant Helen 😊
47:33 The lobotomy was done on kids, too. There's an amazing book called "My Lobotomy" that is a memoir by someone who had one. (Strangely, having it done at this young age was partly what saved him, because his brain could grow around the damage.) Certain themes from his story, like Munchausen by proxy and abuse in the home, are disturbingly similar to detrans stories.
As an Australian, I could hardly be less surprised about the ABC's 'production difficulties'. 😐🤐
The ABC makes no attempt at all to be impartial. Employees (taxpayer-funded!) consider it their role - their absolute right- to indoctrinate and castigate.
@@lechenaultia5863 yeah if were voluntarily funded it'd be lucky to last the week out.
“It’s a particularly dumb religion”
Which is true, but her “matter of fact”style made me laugh out loud. 😆
I hear men at my sailing club saying "I have seen the things you are describing". So I respond; "You are a decent men. Please stand up, say something when you are uncomfortable. Do not stay silent. 'All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to say nothing' ".
Henri, thank you. This was a fabulous, comprehensive interview. You asked good questions and you let her answer.
I love the energy you give to the conversation as often academics don’t flow in conversation and often kink out if they have nothing to say . We often see the brain working whereas a good eloquent conversationalist lewis afloat and maintains rhythm . Fascinating great pod cast
The mind boggles that this is actually going on...
Great podcast! Nice to hear some different questions. Thank you.
In Catholic school in the 1970s, I would lie about my sins in the Confessional. The nuns told us we had to confess and there was no way we had not sinned. As a 4th grader, I was no saint but I couldn't come up with anything so I made up sins to confess. Reminds me of Helen speaking of her niece feeling she needs to lie when forced to record her emotional state every 30 minutes to provide the expected results. This is like a religion on many levels.
And then afterwards did you feel bad about the thing you hadn't done!
Time stamp?
Haha. Hope you “confessed” to age appropriate mal-behavior.
I admire this women and thank her for her work❤
Really sorry to hear about the sad state of affairs with Irish media. Helen is right in that any other best selling irish author would be all over irish media.
It's appealing to believe in impossible thing as it is appealing to identify as impossible things
I am a middle-class, progressive white woman. I'm probably as woke as you can get. But I am very happy that I learned about Helen Joyce. Keep it up! My respect.
This is a subject I would so like to discuss openly, but because I work in a school, I can't take the risk of losing my job.
Go ahead. Set yourself free. Own your bigotry.
I don't know that "gender identity" means "souls" (although it's obvious that many in the gender cult have this idea in their head). It's really more of a very poor attempt at psychological theory. We have theories like "self-identity" and similar terms around that theme (e.g. ethnic identity), which are all introspective, superfluously fancy ways to say 'how we see ourselves'.
Although framed with the legitimising bow of 'theory'), it's still very lazy academia. The sort of thing a bad academic comes up with to justify their status, taking one obvious idea and then expanding it in even more useless ways.
Any of us can do it. Look, I'll come up with my own theory right now:
HAIR COLOUR IDENTITY - The psychological theory pertaining to one's subjective identity of one's hair colour.
Sometimes, a person's hair colour is at odds with their subjective experience. Other people would describe my hair as blonde, but I think of myself more as a brunette.
Well that's my tenure sorted.
Some times you just have to live with sex you were born with. There are short people that wish they were taller, you can't pretend you are actually a tall person in a short body.
She is great mate
I love it..Its a cult, a religion and "a particularly stupid (neo) religion.'"
Gave me a laugh, which I could really use right now...thank you
Helen embodies down-to-Earth. Pragmatic.
When my oldest son was 3, he began to want to play with dolls and cried because he wasn't a girl. Except for buying him dolls, I pretty much ignored his desire to be a girl. He grew out of that desire by age 4.
I'm not sure he even remembers that stage of his life. He's quite macho now.
Tak her fra Danmark til Henrik og Helen! ❤
Jeps..det var en fin samtale😊
Alltid interessant og høre fra Helen :) (Fra Norge her)@@jan8600
Helen Joyce…definitely the “thinking man’s crumpet”! Great job Helen.
Shame on RTÉ ...
. Thank you, Henrik and Helen. These are subjects so depressingly and dangerously insane I have despaired of the world in which my children are growing up . To have this discussed so calmly and rationally is a balm to my soul. Glad to know I'm really not losing the plot. Thank you both so much.
The stuff about mental health at 1 hour 31 is truly amazing.
What a brilliant interview! Thank you very much...
☝️😎
Truly wonderful podcast!
Rent seekers, new term for me. Well described.
Great interview. First time to your channel. Cheers!
Helen, you are very interesting, calm, well researched, on point, articulate and fact based. Thanks.
Yet more wise words from Helen.
We are witnessing an era of unhealthy self-absorption and introspection
Good questions - brilliant answers, so very helpful! Thank you both!
I will never put pronouns in my bio. Hell no, and Im a gay woman, who is a bit of a tomboy, but I think everyone knows Im a female. If they didn't, I would find that offensive. No need for pronouns. Whenever I see pronouns in a bio, I autithink the person isn't too bright.
This conversation is so in-depth and interesting, even to someone already knowledgeable about the dangers of the gender religion. For the newly initiated it will blow some minds! Helen Joyce is incredible as always and Henrik is a great interviewer. Thank you so much for making this available for all.
Thank you for such kind words!
In depth? Haha. Thats a joke. It's shallow as fuck. It's all caused on social media crap. Yet she has the cheek to say that people like ME are indoctrinated by social media. 😂😂😂
It's easy to appear knowledgable when you're not being challenged.
Love to listen to her .. great voice and good wisdom.
Thanks for a great overview of the problems with identitarianism.
Interesting to see Joyce on her liberal feminist journey. I hope she keeps up the critical thinking as she reevaluate the world of ideas she's previously thought were true. She's a powerhouse.
Thank you for having Helen on. She is amazing. You're amazing (and dead cute). ❤
As a mental health care practitioner I share many of these sentiments and concerns. And agree very much about the negative impacts of excessive talking about mental health.
Many trans young people I knew, they were over 18, were looking to go to Thailand for surgery as it was less expensive and easier to get. The several I knew were in a trans support group. These people were very poor and had severed ties with their families. Several had gone through homelessness after they aged out of youth support programs.
Ah so you're suggesting....?
This comment appears to lack a point...
The research indicates that these young people are on the autism spectrum and/ or same sex attracted with internalised homophobia and/ or have several psychological comorbidities.
We live in a guillotine society... Cutting people off from those "who don't agree with you," is a symptom of the lack of empathy our culture has engaged in. Narcissium has become the norm within our culture at epidemic proportions. The Culture of American Life in an Age of Narcissism Diminishing Expectations, by Christopher Lasch - is a great read to understand these symptoms of our image being at the helm of our lives....
Its also a psuedo religious shunning practice.
@@Gingerblaze I am well aware...
Hobbycraft told staff last year not to gender identify a customer. No longer to say that man or that woman over there wants…
Totally ridiculous.