My daughter' best friend in middle school needed glasses. My daughter insisted she needed glasses. She said she couldn't see. My husband and i ended up taking her to 3 eye doctors that all said her eyes were fine. She finally asked me if she could get sunglasses and have clear lenses put in them because she felt more comfortable at school with glasses on. The whole thing passed after a few months but it was weird. We knew our daughter could see, But She wanted to need glasses like her friend.
Well entire populations of people have been convinced that if you eat a hamburger, you're going to cause an iceburg to melt. And billions were convinced that you had to shove something up your nose to determine whether or not you're sick, even though you feel completely fine. It's delusion.
I was 10 years old when my younger cousin went to an eye examination for the first time and I went along with him. I was the type of child who felt like I was invisible and people didn't see, care about or love me. I really wanted attention, I wanted to be seen and I wanted to feel important, special and loved. When I saw the attention my cousin got from the doctor, I decided that I should also say I couldn't see so I could also get the special treatment from the doctor. I pretended I couldn't see clearly so I could also have an eye test, but I passed the test anyway. My eyes were perfect so I didn't need glasses, but funnily enough, I actually ended up needing to wear glasses 2 or 3 years later because I genuinely couldn't see the writing on the board at school, especially if my teachers used orange markers. Now I hate wearing glasses and I avoid using them. Another time, my older cousin had a burst appendix and she was rushed to the hospital. All my family were fussing about her and always going to the hospital and doing nice things for her. I understood this to mean that if something is physically wrong with you then you get love. affection, care and attention. Fast forward to my teen years, I watched a movie about anorexia with my mum and cousin and it hit me that I needed to become anorexic as that would surely give me all the attention I wanted just like the girl in the movie whose mum was worried sick about her, all the time. It was just supposed to be an innocent movie, but my mind was broken. I did actually become anorexic when I 17, but it was purely by accident. I thought I was a little fat and I decided to eat less in order to get a flat stomach like this celebrity whose body I always admired, especially her flat stomach. It only took 2 months before I was in the grips of anorexia and ended up living a life of being in and out of treatment for the next 10 years. I feel that some of these kids who've been affected by the trans social contagion probably have a mind like I had at their age and they just want attention and to be seen. Others are just going along with the latest trend and others do have a genuine problem with gender dysphoria, body dysmorphia and a host of other related mental illnesses which require talking therapies, but unfortunately they do not get the necessary treatment to actually help them in the long term.
@@hils1015wait. Your eyes were perfect but you needed glasses? I’m sure this is just an oversight (no pun intended😂) on my part, what does this mean exactly?
@@dillonwalshpvd My eyesight was perfect at that time, I was only 10 years old, but when I was 12 or 13 I had to start wearing glasses because I couldn't see the writing on the board clearly. I think it was my maths teacher who suggested I get an eye test because she noticed I was always squinting trying to see the board and if she used orange or green board markers, I struggled a lot to see the words, especially the orange ones. She ended up only using black or blue markers.
@@YRTheyDoingThis Parents are often afraid that if they question their kids' expressions of their sexuality, they will lose custody. This actually has happened.
I'm very sorry, that had to have been so frustrating to watch and feel so helpless. It's just like alcoholism or any other "disease" that is self induced. I hate to call it a disease but I don't know what else to call it. Again, I'm sorry for your loss, I can't imagine how hard that was.
@@ja6368 I never saw it in a black person before her. I seriously thought it was a white person’s disease. It is a slow moving devastating disease to everyone who comes in contact with it. I would not wish this on anyone.
@@ja6368it existed, but it was often unnamed. I saw a ‘diet’ from the other day from an old magazine and it was atrocious. Mostly coffee. Housewives for years have eaten tiny proportions to keep themselves thin. Karen Carpenter began battling her obsession with her weight in high school. It just wasn’t recognized for what it was until deaths like hers made headlines.
This is the first intelligent, enlightening, non-toxic discussion on the trans issues I've ever seen. I doubt this discussion would even be possible in the U.S., if it wasn't outright protested before it could happen. Even the audience were incredible. The free exchange of ideas with respect. I miss it.
We’re encouraged by teachers in US schools to protest, from elementary school to university. Some don’t even show us the educational plan for that day in order to indoctrinate us. Like when it was the Hillary elections, we had to watch all her speeches and her with Obama and such that class and we didn’t do anything else.
Im old enough to remember when this was a major fashion trend in the 90s when I was in middle and high school- not necessarily all girls, but a very large number of them (including myself), wore hugely oversized plaid shirts and baggy jeans, while still retaining feminine details like hairstyles and makeup etc. Looking back, this was a pretty brilliant way of coping with the discomfort of unwanted attention or self-discomfort with a changing body. It became a fashion trend, and a sort of contagion of its own to dress in what would have previously been considered a gender non-confirming style, and so instead of a being lured into a toxic culture of self-loathing and mutilation, we were able to use the grunge trend to our advantage as we transitioned through that awkward and challenging stage, feeling somewhat more comfortable and accepted and “normal.”
@putnam-he2swmen creeping on women is not "men being men". Men are better than this, and you are a misogynist with no discipline if you think otherwise. Men are not slaves to their lust. Men can see a woman, feel attraction, and not show it. Men are adult people capable of emotional regulation.
@@Dollartrumpsignwhen I dressed modestly, that is when I experienced the worst threat to my body. So you're not right about this. Modesty in women is a fetish. Dressing slutty is a protection mechanism. After I was raped, I dressed so modestly for so long, and it was the worst period in my life for unwelcome advances from strangers. You have no idea what it's like to be a woman, and your stipulation of modesty is sexist and not founded on actual respect for women. If you can't treat a woman as a person when she is hot or naked, you are the problem. Grow a pair and be in control of yourself. What an embarrassing position to hold. Are you a man or not?
No, actually not at all. It's in fact the only statement made by a member of the panel here that was silly and downright stupid. Anorexics have no problem losing body fat perfectly by themselves - on the contrary, taking control, control of their food intake for that matter, is the central piont of that illness. I'm very disappionted by that pooorly chosen "analogy". Apart from that: Applause for this in-depth approach, and thanks for bluntly stating that there is no such phenomenon as being born in a healthy but "wrong" body. Overcoming gender stereotypes is imperative!
@@kajetanberliner3094 The point is, surely, that we don't go along with the anorexic's delusion that they are in need of losing weight. I realise the "control" aspect is important too and psychology uses it as an explanation (it is not so simple eg seekers of holiness wishing to be closer to God can fast until very ill or dead, nothing to do with self image or "taking control" and nothing to do with looking in the mirror). I'm sure we all know someone who has died from anorexia and how we would have loved to see them eat a full meal, rather than encourage them to get thinner. It is a good analogy.
@@bernmahan1162 The truth is, that an anorexic person can never be happy, never be thin enough and has a repulsion for eating.... starvation is the inevitable result if this condition isn't overcome. That's what makes it such a very bad comparison. There are analogies that would work, like dysphorias in which an amputation is desired. When such a person is able to live as desired (ends up in a wheelchair), s/he is happy. So, we could argue as to why we don't fulfill such wishes and accept that some people want to be disabled - and consequently help them acchieving that... maybe by using the narrative that they were born in the wrong (healthy) body...?? These cases are rare and therefore less known, but that can't be an excuse for a poor analogy! I can imagine people turning the video off right at the point he makes that bad comparison. That's why I'm pointing it out.
Myself, and so many other parents that I know are struggling with this among mostly their daughters, but I know a few who have sons. We didn't raise our children to believe gender is a spectrum, but there are elements that working parents just can't control. My daughter was being called he/him by her school; teachers, staff, for the entire last year without my knowledge. I took her to a Psychiatrist, and a therapist, both of whom affirmed her male identity. Some younger adult members of our extended family call her he/him, trying to be supportive. My daughter has several female friends within her circle that also identify as trans, and they all call each other he/him. With so many outside sources many of whom are respected adult members of society; Teachers, Doctors, Therapists, Family Members encouraging this, she thinks I'm that bad guy. That I don't know what is going on. That I disrespect her by not calling her he/him. That I am transphobic. This is making children not trust their parents. It's tearing families apart. But no one will love her and want to protect her more than her mother. I try to remind her that these Teachers, Doctors etc., don't know her, love her, or will be there for her through the rest of life as I will.
I'm in exactly the same boat as you. The school did the same thing to my son the last Yr of school. Now I'm transphobic if I even try to start a conversation with my new daughter. It came out of nowhere and I don't know where to turn to for real help. 💔
I am so sorry your family is going through this. Hopefully the tide will turn re affirmation when the next iteration of the Cass report is published in 2023. Meantime, I can offer no advice except to say that you might find Transgender Trend helpful for support.
Time to sue the schools. The indoctrination is real. There are kids who really feel this way and then there are kids who are following the norm/trend in a school setting. If parents don't support their children and their futures, who will? creepy school administrators and creepy teachers
Someday she will be thankful that you loved her enough to tell the truth. The so-called "supportive" people will be out of her life very soon and nowhere to be found should she face deep regrets.
It’s absolutely a social contagion, and I’ll tell you why. If the current explosion of transgender people was due to recent social acceptance, you’d see people of all ages finally coming out trans. It’s not. It’s primarily people under 30. Not only people under 30, just mostly. It’s trauma, mental health, and social media. That combination is the key to why this is happening.
And an increase in middle aged/older men wanting to openly dress as women and access women's spaces such as locker rooms. They are more likely autogynephiles than trans, but call themselves trans.
It's the same as DID or Autisum. Yes Autism is more common but then you have the people who "self diagnose " same with DID. DID is so uncommon it can take years and years to even convince the person with DID they have DID. There was a serial rapist who didn't believe he was the one doing it but he was wrongfully convicted. After a Dr noticed a notable change in his behavior as he was speaking with him they realized he was not him and so they tried schizophrenia treatment and it wasn't stopping his mental lapses. Then after 13 yrs he was finally diagnosed and treated for DID with success. Oh and that's working with him daily for 13 yrs.
The girl at 51:00 asks "ask them what they want" That would be fine, but unfortunately in most cases the answer is; "a never ending supply of good endorphins from attention based on victimhood." I've been in same sex relationships for half of my life, lived with trans people in the 90s & most of us feel that it's turned from inclusion & fairness to constant demand to be at the forefront of all conversation. This is not healthy, it's not honest, and the government aligns itself with it to secure more votes in an upcoming voter class of young people. There is SO much disingenuous talk in media about it, redundant virtue posturing toward an agenda that it is now beyond the pale. I thought being accepted, respected & treated fairly in society was the goal, but instead it's a never ending stream of focus on our sexuality.
And very darkly is the backdrop of the trans humanist future. This issue, together with AI paint a very bleak picture of humanity's future. It does at least account for why gender confusion has become promoted and institutionalised. Because it fits into the broader plan. We need to keep interrupting.
I have a hard time with the term "gender non-conforming" - its implication is that all those stereotypes about gender (pink/blue, action figures/dolls, football/ballet, etc.) are actually true - otherwise "gender non-conforming" means nothing. If we truly were fine with boys dancing and girls being firemen, as I think most of us are, there'd be no need for the term. What I have found, however, is that today, when there is inarguably the least amount of such gender expectations placed on people than ever before in history, it is trans activists who write and speak as though we were in the 1940s in terms of gender role expectations, and that it was the fight against this oppression which convinced them they were trans. It is a sick irony, in my opinion, that in order to believe that a child may be trans because he or she doesn't comform to outmoded gender role expectations, you have to at least tacitly accept those expectations as valid.
No it doesn't mean they are true, just that there exists a stereotypical association of certain things to either sex, ie sexist stereotypes. Acknowledging stereotypes exist, which they obviously do, is NOT the same thing as validating them as true and legitimate.
@@ambientjohnny But if you are going to say that a young boy who likes playing with dolls must therefore be a trans girl (and from reading some of their writing, it seems many trans activists make these sorts of leaps from conduct/preference to trans-ness), you must accept it as fact that true boys aren't supposed to play with dolls. Otherwise, it's just a boy who likes to play with dolls. Which it is.
@@markpekrul4393 Yes the "trans" side claims these stereotypes are somehow true, "trans" ideology is sexist and perpetuates harmful sexist stereotypes and relies upon a sexist framework, it is nonsense. I thought you were criticising the concept of being gender non-conforming in general, that's how the post came across to me. If someone goes against any of the stereotypes associated with their sex, like boys playing with dolls or wearing dresses, then I think saying they are gender non-conforming is perfectly valid, they are however of course not "trans" because they behave in non-stereotypically male ways. No one is "trans", it's incoherent sexist nonsense, so we probably agree.
Excellent point. That's because this is not about gender. It's about destroying the foundation of reality. We cannot remain sane without reference points. Gender is a reference point. Adults not finding children sexually arousing is a reference point. Soon Minor Attracted Persons will be a civil right. Puppy pride and virtual bestiality are now celebrated. When we are collectively at the snapping point, we will do anything to make it stop - including trying to believe all of it is fine or opt for assisted dying, which is also being celebrated.
Exactly. A huge conflation between gender stereotypes and actual gender. And ironically most trans people try to alter their appearance and behavior to meet certain stereotypes. There seems to be an obsession with the outer while saying gender is all about how you feel or identify
When you have a group of 3 or 4 friends that grow up together and then enter highschool and they decide they are trans that is absolutely a social contagion!
Something I noticed.. behind every young teen or preteen that thinks they are 'trans' you will ALWAYS find a wyte mother pushing them into it and, most notably, relishing the attention it brings them having a "trans child"
@@AbBc-w4qno. That’s not true. The contagion is being spread mostly by other kids and it isn’t one race more than another. It is pretty equally spread relative to population. Stop demonizing random women when we have data to back up where it really is coming from. Munchausen could play a part, but the social contagion is the reason it is spreading like it is.
Or... maybe just maybe they became friends because they all had that side of them in common. You people are the most bad faith, willfully obtuse bigots in our society right now. YOU'RE it. You're worse (barely) than flat earthers. Don't be proud of that.
1:26:55 - What a beautiful example of gaslighting under the guise of being a victim. I have all the compassion in the world for people who detest being in their own bodies. And at the same time the level of "shut up or you will make us kill ourselves" rhetoric was quite something to behold. 1:28:33 - A brilliant response to the person above. Hearing the message whilst not giving into guilt tripping and blaming. Wonderful.
And it’s people like that woman saying “I’m a man”, and trying to take others on a mental roller coaster ride (she sounds to still be unstable btw) that makes a complete mockery of the subject in the first place. Narcissism seems to play the largest roll in the minds of people like that, and it was an excellent reply to an absurd claim.
I asked the “why” to teenager I know and she said, “I don’t know. It just feels right.” I like that “Katie” said to ask them WHY. Don’t just accept and affirm.
"It just feels right" isn't an actual answer. That means she doesn't know. So you keep asking why until she does. THAT is parenting. Teach mindfulness to your kids.
@@whirlwhind666 Not anymore, look at Chloe Cole, look at any detrans story and it's the same fast tracking, maybe 6 months on hormones before an appointment is made to cut their breasts off.
Yep, really trendy to be discriminated against and have openly bigoted conversations about where you can pee without ever being invited to the discussions.
@SuperKripke Your point fails with minimal thought. Cutting and anorexia are also terribly harmful but the contagion effects are clear there too and have been known for years, but girls still do those things too.
@@SuperKripke don't even bother, these people are so bigoted they don't care. they made the same arguments against gay people 20-30 years ago but they don't even recognize it's literally the same argument
@@mischr13 I feel you. Sadly a lot of people wiyhin the LGBTQ community are also joining the anti-trans bandwagon. A lot of these comments sections can be bubbles but it's still important to challenge their perspectives.
@@SuperKripke It's not an "anti-trans" bandwagon, it's an anti-nuttery bandwagon. The whole "affirmation only" cult mob needs to be stopped. Children need to stop being mutilated, men need to stop being allowed in women's sports, prisons, bathrooms etc. The pronoun nazis need to be made to stop. Just leave people alone. This is a destructive fad that's gotten way out of hand.
Interesting that so many girls are now de-transitioning. I watched an interview with one young woman who said she now looks like a five foot tall,balding creepy man who cannot get a partner. It was heartbreaking. She is de-transitioning. Excellent discussion.
I'm gonna ride this Vagina Train to death do us part...and I've been hurt, mistreated by men AND by women, but not once did it occur to me to switch out my gender. My heart goes out to any and all suffering from this cognitive dissonance.
I really appreciate that there are still people who didn’t allow themselves to be bullied by activists. Our children NEED us to protect them from those who will groom them to spread their selfish agenda. Gender dysmorphia is an extremely obscure mental illness, and it’s actually anti trans to deny this! if your little boy likes pink and dancing, it is MUCH more likely he might be gay than trans, and even more likely that he isn’t either, and just likes pink and dancing! Introducing gender confusion to a young child is irresponsible, selfish, and child abuse. If you give praise, attention, and popularity to a child in the room that is hearing voices what you will have at the end of the day is a room full of self diagnosed schizophrenic children. Im really glad older trans people are speaking out about this
As a psychologist, this is a TEXTBOOK hive mind case scenario. It is literally driven by social media, and worshiped by low intellectuals. Since I have a taste for social chaos, it’s fascinating to see it unfold and evolve into children getting actual surgeries. It’s really sad that the parents allow this to happen. NO ONE in the mental health field thinks social media is for people under the age of 18, but no one has the empathy to do something.
@@oliviamaynard9372 Me, I'm not a psychologist nor have I claimed to be. I have people in my family who work in psychology though and know several others in the field, and everyone agrees that "trans" claims are mental health issues, and that it is ridiculous how people uncritically approach this issue.
I’d like to correct the statement that adult transitioners are happy with their choices, despite all manner of medical complications along the way. I can’t provide you with hard, genuine figures, but it seems that the majority of adults who make the choice to transition to the opposite “sex” find that their GRS did not fix their mental health issues. Furthermore, I believe that the most dangerous point for those adult transitioners (who find that surgery didn’t fix their problems) comes some years after medicalisation, and this is where the suicide rates increase drastically. Not only are they left with the same dysphoria they started off with, they are dissatisfied with the experimental surgeries they underwent (or even just long-term hormone therapy) not only for the aesthetics they’re left with, but from all the pain and suffering from botched treatment, still not being accepted for who/what they want to be, and finding out all the negative side-effects of what they allowed so-called “medical professionals” to do to them and paid them handsomely to do so. It seems that very few adults who have transitioned are truly happy with the outcome but it’s too late to change their minds by the time they’ve realised it 💔
I must add my deepest admiration for Buck and his ilk who don’t sugar-coat things and are realistic in their expectations and outcomes, mainly because they are truly transgendered individuals. And to those brave individuals who have learned the hard way that the process of trying to assume the form and identity of the opposite sex is not an idealised stereotype, that idealised identity isn’t what they thought it would be, and then there are serious medical procedures and the likely (not possible) complications that come with it, aside from all the physical pain. They have tried to speak out and have been metaphorically flayed for doing so, but the tide is turning. Courts across the world will soon be flooded with malpractice suits, and I hope it gets even more serious than that, especially for a certain female surgeon who delights in making sickeningly “happy” videos to post to the most vile, disgusting, easily accessed social media site on earth. The whole trans ideology nonsense has been an outright affront to just about every group of people on the planet. In the words of Joe Jackson, “And if there’s war between the sexes then there’ll be no people left.” (From the song Real Men 1982). Peace out all 🙏🏼❤️
Apparently peak suicidality amongst "trans" people is 10 years after transition - however people arrive at "trans" as an answer to severe distress I suspect that the trans identification is an expression of mental illness including anxiety, depression and dissorders of disassociation, as is self harming, self starvation, substance addiction etc but unlike these outcomes trans has been dressed up by bad actors (big pharma and medical services that gain financially, AGPs who include powerful white males who want validation if their kink, lib politicians and academics who enjoy the admiration of the trans lobby and seem willfully blinded by the rainbow and glitter brigade) and this has been sold into our organisations, political structures and government departments to the extent that it has taken hold. It is a disgrace that teachers who are in no way qualified to support mental illness are actually creating this and teaching it to v vulnerable children who are easily brainwashed (whether the children like to think the are or not - teens like to think they know it all after all - we all know this as we have been teens)
I love James, on the panel. The young lady who says, “Ask the kids.” The kids are just that, kids! And James is right, kids need boundaries. I grew up in a single parent home, and when my girlfriends and I got in trouble, my friends would be punished. I wouldn’t be, and it made me wonder, why? Did my mom not care? Kids crave boundaries! Boundaries make them feel loved, and protected.
Nowadays if you try to set boundaries with some of these rebellious children, they will threaten suicide and make accusations of abuse against you. We are between a rock and a hard spot.
I sought medical help around 18 over a decade ago, the diagnosis was “transsexualism” back then. I’ve watched this blow up. Our support spaces were infiltrated by young people who’s experience didn’t match with the experience of the current group. It was treated like a lifestyle choice, something fun to do, over time they brought their Ideologies, I had bailed by this point, I lost my community over this trend. We cant talk about the medical and scientific potential causes and explanations or we are called “trans medicalists” and “truscum”. The jargon has probably changed now, I haven’t engaged in support groups for a long time now.
So many people think of your group (old-school transsexuals who just wanted to live their lives in peace) when this topic comes up. They have no idea that it's a completely new group with a new aggressive ideology. I have explained this to people and they often look very confused. If you can keep speaking out please do, check out Miranda Yardley and Kristina Harrison who are both transsexuals who acknowledge that they're male, and support women's rights and have spoken up against trans ideology.
@@katec9893 Thanks for this, back in the day transsexualism wasn’t an Identity, it was a diagnosis. I don’t want a trans Identity, I’m a human, I’m me. I live the role of man, because that’s how I’m naturally inclined, whatever the reason for that is is still unclear, but what is clear is I am also female and accepting one’s biological sex is the first step to contentment for transsexuals IMO. Everything else is ultimately performative, but trying to fit yourself in to a box that goes against your nature is exhausting and that fatigue is what ultimately pushed me towards transition and allowed me to live a more liberated and authentic life.
@@RubberJunk1 It‘s true what Kate said, I‘m 42 and have no kids and was only made aware of this development because of Scotland and Hogwarts Legacy. I had no idea what the ‚trans-community‘ has become…toxic cancel mob and endless victimhood combined with narcissism…that‘s not what I had in mind thinking of transsexuals
@Rubber J isn't transition "trying to fit yourself into a box"? Why can't people just live their natural bodies, whatever their personalities? And I do believe the influx of young people into the trans community by social contagion came second. What came first, was trans adults reaching them on social media, grooming them. I think one of the early waves was on tumblr, when they decided not to restrict adult content nor set age limits.
@@perimele6 Transition is not limiting yourself to the box society pressures you to conform too. People can choose not to alter their bodies medically. Altering sex characteristics isn’t unique to trans people. Almost all the medical options available to trans people were initially developed for non-trans people. Transition medically or not alleviates gender dysphoria. It’s fine to fit in a box if you do, but if you don’t it can cause stress and fatigue, so not limiting yourself and expressing yourself freely relieves that tension. I highly suggest not making changes you don’t want too just to fit a stereotype. Back in the day I didn’t personally see grooming going on, we had small online forums and new people would join on their own accord. Not going to say there aren’t weirdos online but to my knowledge teens have been known to pick up odd trends like otherkin and now mental disorders are apparently a trend. It’s not really a surprise to me that teens jumped on transsexualism and ran with it.
As an elder woman, brain intact, I want to understand. Many things in life and in particular, right now, about the why's behind the growth of the trans movement and all issues surrounding it, including the move to transhumanism which factors into this discussion. I have attended likely over 90 seminars or discussions or individual presentations on this subject. This panel is comprised of 5 of the finest most thoughtful, intelligent and caring of individuals who are helping me to understand and anyone who listens. More questions and answers have come up. I wish you could go to other countries and attend many forums to present what you have today because much is new or presented differently. ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT, every one of you. AND to the fine audience. thank you all so much.
Everything that Helen Joyce brought up are the things I talk about and try to have discussions with other people about but imediately get shut down by these gender extremists. As an immigrant who grew up in America, and as a woman who dealt with some dysphoria as a young child (due to abuse), and as someone who researches a lot about other cultures (including her own) and is fascinated by how humans in general interact, behave and adapt, I can see how obvious that what is happening around me is indeed a social contagion and BRAINWASHING. I’m still not entirely sure why it started in the US (maybe the lack of cultural identity and heritage has been replaced by this?) but this issue has spread in anglophone countries the most, but if you go anywhere else in the world, it’s not really an issue or a “contagion”. Children aren’t being indoctrinated in schools, and parents are not buying into it. Women and girls aren’t being told that they’re probably gender fluid or trans for liking sports and/or for having short hair… this is a unique issue in America and other English speaking countries, HOWEVER it is the US, Canada, Australia and Britain that are inserting NGOs into other nations (including my own) and are trying very hard to push this indoctrination and ideology. We may not have this issue in our schools, but it’s bad enough that the US is trying to push this onto my people and many others. I hope this is an issue that gets called out and is stopped in tracks soon. These NGOs are trying to give children hormone blockers, hormones and talks about gender ideology to children without a parent present.
You ate completely agree, I am a mexican trans woman and I do know obviously that are other trans people in the country but not even one friend of mine is trans.
@@elbis1964 agree to disagree. The alt left are anti culture. They view it as a threat to their ideology. I was literally raised by a psychopathic commie and every one of these other “commies” and “antifas” are all the same. They hear about a country like mine, and they view it as a threat. I know what’s at stake here. I was raised by these kind of people and their insane dogmas.
Thank you for your thoughtful writing. However, one of the speakers above in this panel, and other discussion groups I've watched, have confirmed there is deliberate indoctrination pushing children to see their gender is something they can choose, or whatever they want it to be. These ideas are being presented to them.
Imagine a society discussing whether it is ok for children to irreversibly mutilate themselves. I’m afraid I’m with the pessimistic woman, we have already fallen.
Is it correct to use the word "mutilate" for elective surgical procedures? Is the intention here just to demean trans people as "freakish" or "grotesque"?
@@SuperKripke I’m not a surgeon but did do a fair bit of it in my younger days as a newly qualified doctor. Yes- mutilation is an appropriate word. Depending on the dictionary “mutilate” means causing a violent and disfiguring injury or inflicting serious damage on someone. I’d say it meets the definition. I frankly don’t care what grown adults do to themselves. They can rip off entire limbs imho but to even contemplate allowing children to make this decision is wicked in the extreme. And in my clinical experience most such children have very odd parents who don’t know what it means to “parent”. Quite often it’s like people who are proud to announce their pet dog is vegetarian- guaranteed that isn’t the dog’s choice.
@@SuperKripke surgical attempt at approximation of the opposite sex also known by the highly inaccurate euphemism of 'transition' is an adverse outcome. Absolutely. Some may find it freakish and grotesque. You have no control over people's feelings and opinions. It's a tough pill to swallow for some.
@@tozmom615 it seems you have already established a profile of who a trans person is and their parent might be. It's as comical as abstracting black people out as criminals or Jews as misers that hoard gold. Do reflect on why you use the word "mutilate". I feel you may have picked it up in watching videos like these but it is largely used to bring in the connotation of disfigurement or harm. It doesn't get used in the context of elective surgeries which are available to non-trans people. You wouldn't use the word when describing a surgery of a breast cancer survivor nor an amputee. You would not use it in the case of infant circumcision depsite it not being elective.
@@insidiousmischka There is no special surgery that trans people have that any one else can't have. You would not refer to a double mastectomy or an amputation surgery as "mutilating". The only reason you do so for trans people is to highlight their freakishness and demean them of their dignity.
I always find the phrase "born in the wrong body" to be completely and utterly asinine. You cannot be born in the wrong body, it's your body, it just is.
@@alffuergregor some people, perhaps yourself, want to argue homosexuality is a mental illness. Being blind to gender fluidity/ androgynous people or people who, despite their sexual organs and hormonal exposure are otherwise much more like the opposite sex in all manner of ways - physicality, voice, emotions , dress choice etc , is, in my view, like being colour blind, but this time wilfully.
@@BedboundME Sex is biology. Gender is language. No language means no gender but still male and female bodies. It does not matter how you feel it matters only what you are. In a female space you are a dude with a dick and you should not be there. As is well documented by the amount of sexual violence committed by trans.
In my sons' school ( they are both 16), there were a lot of trans, non-binary etc in the past two years. Apparently, it is in decrease now in their year. They were mainly girls going through it and for some of them it was just a phase.
I really appreciated this panel. My 15 year old identifies as male (told us 2 years ago), but is biologically female - It seems like there is a huge social component to it and an absolute shift in definitions (like that there is a difference between gender and sex) which I'm not sure how to get past. Our household has always made it clear that one doesn't need to conform to gender stereotypes, yet our gender non conforming child now thinks they are a different gender... I asked why teens aren't trying to push back against gender stereotypes and break them and was told that they are. Kinda floored me in how different we are seeing things. The teens think they are breaking stereotypes when they figure out their gender (rather than just let it match their sex), but I see them as reinforcing the stereotypes to make their self determinations. How do we get to a neutral place on this?
The only way is if more young butch lesbians and gender non conforming people would speak up. I do worry it's one of those things that even if what you're saying is the truth, they'd only possibly hear it from certain people they feel they can relate to more. The problem with that is the amount of butch lesbians who are comfortable expressing that and the negative reactions they could get is too few...
Funny how I am gender nonconforming. I never thought of myself as trans or non binary. I had to look up what non binary is, and I find myself more non gender conforming than most of them. The difference is that instead of changing my gender to conform to society, I just do what makes me comfortable. Growing up, it was about busting down stereotypes, and now its changing your body and identity to fit them. And I was born and identify as a straight female.
@@love-ip7sz cisgender butch lesbian or unfeminine cisgender woman (some straight women are tomboys and some trans women are lesbians), or feminine cis boy, or drag performer =/= trans. These are fundamentally different. One is identity, the other is presentation. I think the feminist movement really shoots itself in the foot if it tries to push the anti trans narrative, as it undermines the fact that men and women are not very different at all, and we should treat people like individuals regardless of how they identify. The idea that gender is in one's pants and not one's brain, really comes off sexist, a la Andrew Tate, frankly, but some "feminists" are pushing the same narrative that somehow we're so different that nobody could possibly identify as the opposite end of the socially constructed gender spectrum (nevermind that there's also a small portion of people who are nonbinary). At the end of the day it doesn't matter how you identify as much as how you treat others. @OP, listen to your son, really listen, so you can understand where he's coming from. From LGBT friends of mine, what made a big difference for their relationship with their family (and mental health and general wellbeing) is whether their parents were supportive and understanding and took the time to talk to them, or doubted or undermined them (they pretty much all knew at least deep down by the time they were a teen, if they didn't have an inkling sooner). I understand that it's probably difficult if it's your own child (especially because of the possible safety repercussions), but I hope you look into transgender resources and read up about teenagers and identity on those websites. It's confusing if you haven't had any friends or close acquaintances who are trans, but UA-cam can be a great resource for understanding it on an emotional and personal level, it's how I "got it" when learning.
Wow , this is a brilliant insight @upstatenymom2938! I agree, I believed I was trans for 7 years from early adolescents to early twenties and it was the most confusing and toxic time of my life... I thought that what made me different to my birth gender made me trans which I now realise that is close minded Girls and boys are all different and you should align yourself rather then try to change your body to match your personality. (In my case at least , I understand that gender dysphoria is a mental health diagnosis that may only lend itself to transition in some cases but certainly not most.)
It's telling that J Esses, H Joyce and J Bristow stuck to the topic at hand - whether the trend of "trans" amongst teens, particularly teen girls, is case of social contagion. But KJ Went talked mostly about themself and their own personal experience, which has nothing at all to do with being a teenage girl today or at any time in the past. Also, at least twice Went bragged about "going all the way" with Went's "transition" surgeries in what seemed to me a clear attempt to cause everyone else to think of and envision Went's genitals. A very blokey move. Finally, although Went seems like a nice enough person with some valuable to things to say, Went lost all credibility in my book when Went claimed to have an "intersex" condition that Went pointedly didn't name. I find trans-identified persons claim to have unnamed "intersex" conditions highly suspicious.
Agreed. I believe they think people will think of them as born half man half woman so they're more the sex they're not before even modifying themselves at all. Which is nonsense. But I hear it a lot. It doesn't sound more plausible that a man is a woman when he claims he's intersex and trans. It just sounds like he'll lie about anything.
@Karen Most trans identified males are all about themselves, that's the reality and Went is no different to the others. Don't be fooled by the gaslighting and superficial charm and humour.
There’s tons of evidence that supporting someone in their journey reduces anxiety & depression - to the point that there’s little difference between trans and cis people. Let people explore and they’ll figure out what’s right for them.
I noticed when I was at school in the 60’s. I got a kitten, guess what, in the end all the girls were wanting their parents to buy them a kitten, even those I knew didn’t like animals especially cats. Take from that what you will. It’s a low type of mass hysteria. Thank god that’s all I experienced, I don’t think I could have coped with all this ridiculous shit
Yeah. My 1 friend at my all-girls' school became a goth. Then our whole friendship circle were some shade of goth or emo, everyone into the same music. You want to fit in with your peers! And if you can express your tastes and fashion in a way that ticks off adults, all the better. What a shocker.
The strangest crazes sometimes arise among school kids, and especially girls. Here's a super weird one: when I was in Grade 5 - so we would have been about 10 or 11 years old - there was a short-lived craze among the girls in my class, and it may have extended to other classes too, to bring little plastic vials filled with a mixture of milk and water to school. I think now the vials must have been the kind that are used to store blood samples in labs, so I don't know where they were getting them: maybe drugstores sold them? Anyway, they would go around claiming that this mixture of milk and water was the most delicious thing ever, like it was this amazing elixir magically created just by combining those two ingredients, and that everyone just had to try it. Every day it seemed at least one new girl came to school with one of these vials. I thought it was all quite mad, and every time a girl on the playground asked me if I wanted some "milk and water", I would just shout, "No!" and get as far away from her as I could. Still have no idea what was going on there, or how it got started. I think probably once the teachers caught wind of it they put a stop to it, because I don't think it lasted for more than a few weeks.
@@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci That is incredibly strange... The weirdest thing I remember with a my girl friendship group was us picking our scabs, making them bleed, then scab, then pick the scab... Pretty disgusting. (And left scars on my legs lol what were we doing??) The ring leader girl with the influence over us was the most hard core, she actually used a compass needle to carve the initials of her celebrity crush into her arm... I'm surprised she wasn't a cutter, looking back. Thank God she wasn't, or she'd have probably had all of us doing it.
I remember back in maybe middle school (I'm 58) there was a "Tough Cool Girl" named Pinky Tuscadero on one or a few episodes of a sitcom...within a week there were a couple dozen girls at school all walking, talking, dressing, and acting exactly like her.
Extraordinary talk with an amazing group of panelists! I don't know what the laws are in UK public schools, but I am a school teacher in California and have just been made aware of a law concerning K-12 schools that is profoundly disturbing and I am struggling with it (along with my school District recently mandating that I use "student preferred pronouns"). The policy is that when a student informs school officials that he/she is "trans" and announces a new name/ "preferred pronouns," we are forbidden to contact parents about it. Kids can do this not only without parent permission but without their knowledge. It is justified by saying that it may be "unsafe" for 'trans' kids to come out to parents/family (so the State needs to protect kids from parents in this situation). Not only should this concern all educators, but parents should be outraged by this and I absolutely don't see this happening.
Teachers should seriously consider their own safety. Parents won’t care what some law says. Those that passed this grooming law won’t be there to protect teachers. There will eventually be a parent that reacts extremely negatively to this. They’re going to come looking for the one closest to their child. Just some food for thought. I think teachers need reminders these aren’t their children, they’re being paid to perform a job, which doesn’t include replacing parents or parental duties. This is very dangerous ground.
So the conversation should not be about parents being outraged by this mandate, but why the public school system is doing this in the first place? Have you ever asked that question? Have you ever asked the think tanks why they would feel there is a need to protect trans students, or is this another way to create, hmmm, anger? We do this all the time, you have your agenda, so instead of asking the questions we automatically go to the, what are they thinking narrative. Here’s another question for you, if parents are so concerned about this issue which seems to be at the forefront of our political spectrum, why aren’t parents having INFORMED discussions about this with public school districts?
Yes my mom is a kindergarten teacher and has been warned not to say "goodmorning boys and girls" anymore.... something she has said for over 35 years with no prior issue!!
I've never been a feminine girl. I grew up climbing trees, beating up little boys, digging holes in the dirt and thought of dolls more as something to pull the heads off of and throw on the roof. I felt quite awkward around most other girls growing up and to be fair, I still do. I work in a male dominated field of a male dominated career. That being said, I'm fine with my body and generally like myself for who I am. I could benefit from losing some weight, but that's an entirely different subject. When I was a child and a teenager, I definitely felt out of place and felt like things probably would have been easier if I had been born a boy. I still felt that way in my early 20s, but it was some time in my mid-20s that I learned to accept myself and even love myself for who I am. That I am a woman, but I'm just not feminine. I'm bisexual and have always felt as attracted to girls as I am to boys although I don't understand other women enough to have ever been able to date one. I've taken a bunch of those stupid tests in books and online that determine your "gender" and all of them always come back 97% or higher as a "straight male" which makes me laugh my ass off because I'm not a male and I don't have a problem with being female. I've even had people force me to play the guys side of the "battle of the sexes" card game because I don't know crap about make-up and fashion, but I know my way around a toolbox and how to fix cars so they didn't think it would be fair, and they were probably correct about that. Had I been born in this younger generation, with so many people talking about this kind of stuff, there is a very good chance that someone would have talked me into thinking I was trans and I'd have never learned to love my body for what it is. That is a scary thing to think about and one of the biggest things I worry about when it comes to this generation. That they may never learn to love themselves for who they are if they are like me and just don't fit into that perfect box that society seems to put people in. I'm certain there are people out there that truly have gender dysmorphia that could benefit from gender reassignment, but I also feel like this is becoming a trend and many of the children making this decision might regret it in the future if they turned out to be wrong. As much as people push it as being life saving, I'd imagine if it doesn't actually help someone who was too young to actually understand what they were doing to themselves, it could result in more suicides in the long run because people still were not happy and now they can't change things back.
Very well said! I was just like you, hung around with my brothers, did what they did, chores etc, and hated staying in the house. A farm girl, loved hanging with guys, could talk easily with them...When I started dating I'd talk with my dates about what's under the hood of a car, I changed my date's tire (he couldn't) and now I'm an extatic mom of 3 grown, successful kids. I still crawl under the sink, change tires, and it feels so good to know such a wide range of things! My friends are jealous! lol
You sound like my wife. She's taller than me (I am 5'10"), wears overalls and drives a truck. She is no less female for it. I am an amateur mechanic and auto enthusiast, and I love that she knows her tools and can fetch one for me while I am under a car.
Transhumanism. Advanced capitalism. There's a lot of money to be made medicalizing children for life and performing operations on them that will endlessly need corrections. Take the reality spectacle I am Jazz as an example
It’s actually mostly likely sexual assault I work in a charity for teens around substance misuse al All trans female to male had been sexually assaulted or raped
@@sofasrus8081 Sorry, but this is nonsense. As a staunch anti-capitalist, you can actually argue the opposite, that making people stick to specifric genders like male/female makes money. Just think of advertising that is specifically geared towards men and women. Women''s products, cost more, for example.
THANK YOU! it is about damn time that a group of people of divergent views has had the courage and decency to submit to the responsibility and burden of conversation. it is a tragedy for us all that conversation and disagreement have become a cause for personal attack and harsh condemnation. i agnostically pray for more couragous conversation.
@@robbiespence6504 Yes, it's all about "affirm or validate me otherwise you are responsible for my life". Always so below the belt with these messed up people.
With all the tension in the world today, never knowing what may be said or done that could create a firestorm of emotion, offense, and resentment, this video was such a breathe of fresh air and so very necessary!!! Thank you for putting this rational and truly caring forum together, an extra thank you for sharing it!!! ❤
49:52 it's because what is being called "gender" is really just personality. However, she is naive to think that vulnerable young people are not being "brainwashed" when they are indeed being actively told in schools and become convinced that they can change their sex or that their interests or fashion sense determines in any way what their bodies should look like or what their pronouns should be. The staggering increase in young ppl, especially girls seeking medical transitions is evidence of this happening.
I'm not exaggerating when I say that I was really encouraged to identify as lgbtq in school by some of my teachers and people in positions of power in school. I think you should really consider that. Like, I when I got in trouble in school, I was told by a counselor that she knew that I was a lesbian and that if I came out to my parents, I would get off because I am just troubled. I am neither a lesbian, nor did I present myself as one. I was even in ballet at the time, slim and girly (though sporty - leggings, tshirt, ponytail). But I got caught smoking with a girl friend of mine. She was told the same thing but denied being lesbian so she got arrested for being owner of the weed. I got indoor suspension. Then, a lesbian english teacher encouraged me to be lesbian and I'm going to explain how. What she did was that she got the prettiest girl in class to send a notice to the office, I noticed that she took note of everyone that looked at her walking to the door. I looked at the girl walking to the door and when I looked back at the teacher, she was looking straight at me, nodded and gave me a knowing smile. Then, she was really mean and scary to all the students but was really nice to me and to a few other students. Then, she invited me the the lgbtq club (which she was leader of). Again, I am in no way lgbtq. But I can see how some students can fall for that in order to feel special or be treated nice by someone in power. Or even to get out of trouble. Btw, the school authorities still told my parents that I was lesbian and did the same with my friend's parents. Even though it is not true. My friend's mother shortly after, took her own life. And to be clear, I am a biological straight girl.
WOW! I love reading presumably real life anecdotes and thank you for sharing as this is eye opening. I swear if you are a weak minded person, the wolves will come for you...I'm so happy that you were built to resist another's issues that they were trying to push on you.
That is outrageous. Your teacher and counsellor are really out of order. You should report them and the school authorities for this. Telling you that you are lesbian when you are not is just arrogant and damaging behaviour. They should not be messing with your head like that. Tell your parents that your school is pushing lgbt on you and tell them they pushed this label on you. That is harassment. Seriously they are so in the wrong to do this to kids. I am sorry. you had to go through that.
@@rl7012 This happened to me a while ago, when lgbtq was mostly lgb. Unfortunately, I think we really start caring about these experiences after we're adults and have developed mentally, like after 25. Kids are really resilient and put up with a lot of crap all the time. We as kids process abuse differently and we respect authority. I'm not sure those people still work there or how I would even address the issue. If they tried to push this on me (a girly girl) and on my friend who had a different boyfriend every week, imagine how they push this on kids that are tomboys and such. I just tell people to be vigilant of everything and everyone. I even remember that in Elementary school an older male staff member (only saw him that one time) told me that gender was not real and that boys could also be girls and when I argued with him and told him that a boy could not be a girl, he got really mad at me and I just shut up because he scared me.
@@LemonDropYum Wow. You wrote that so well and so insightful, I am just shocked that things are that bad. Just to comment on some of the things you said: _'We as kids process abuse differently and we respect authority'_ Exactly. And teachers and adults know the you process abuse differently and they know that kids respect authority. Even if some kids don't respect authority, they still believe that the authority knows best. And so it is a massive abuse when those in authority push this nonsense on vulnerable kids. Even the kids who don't think they are vulnerable, are actually vulnerable. It is outrageous that children have to endure this. It is so so so wrong and unnecessary. _'If they tried to push this on me (a girly girl) and on my friend who had a different boyfriend every week, imagine how they push this on kids that are tomboys and such'_ Exactly. It is an abuse of power and authority. '_I even remember that in Elementary school an older male staff member (only saw him that one time) told me that gender was not real and that boys could also be girls and when I argued with him and told him that a boy could not be a girl, he got really mad at me and I just shut up because he scared me.'_ That is insane behaviour from any adult, let alone a teacher. And you are 100% right, a boy cannot be a girl and vice versa. It is frankly disgusting that the authorities try and brainwash kids with this rubbish. _' I just tell people to be vigilant of everything and everyone.'_ Good for you. Keep doing that. It is so important that kids know that authority does not know best on these matters. I am so glad there are young people like you who see this forced pushing of fake truths onto kids, for what it is. So thank you so much for leaving your comments here on UA-cam. Mainstream media is not reporting all this, so the more kids and people spread the word of what is really going on, the better. Keep speaking the truth as you are helping more people than you know. Thank you again.
It started as a fad / fashion statement around 2015 and slowly as people realized the level of endless attention they get from it, whether it be praise or pity it seemed to become an addiction. The fact that all the trans young people have their trans-ness as their only identity and personality trait is very telling. Like they're not an artist who happens to be trans, they're a trans artist. They're not a teacher who happens to be trans, they're a trans teacher. It's very clear they don't want to just be equal and blend in with the rest of the world. Last point... Imagine if social media didn't exist. Would we be seeing the large numbers of teens and 20 somethings coming out as trans?
Follow the money. Rich men can make money from the pain of confused, mixed up people. A trans patient is a patient for life and a commodity that people with money will not let go easily. The other underlying and creepy issue maybe autogynephilia. Why are their such a lot of big angry men at these rallies who obviously do not like women. This is taking away from the genuine LGB individual or the poor kids who are genuinely suffering from dysphoria.
Not how autogynophilla works but ok what about non profit medical Countries like the U.K. Canada France most of the western world we’re the money there and isn’t this an argument for better care as of it was cost effective then it could treat more
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs I can’t understand your argument… in the uk we have the NHS which is free at point of service, but the Pharmaceutical Corporations make millions of £s in profit, so not sure what you mean when you say “‘non profit medical”.
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs thats not how socialized medicine works....its not "non profit"... big pharma is still getting paid. We just pay higher taxes, most of which goes to healthcare and big pharma. Also percription medication isnt free in Canada (althougn you might have some coverage thru ur employer)
Weird how the color pink is now the official color of females….I’m a lady who doesn’t like pink at all. I like muted colors. I’m a girl. There is really no such thing in reality as transitioning to the opposite sex. The man sitting at the table looks and sounds like a man. The long hair is part of the costume, dressing up as a woman. Many real women have short hair. No one thinks they’re men, this guy looks silly.
An interesting article I read was on the difference between men and women in their propensity to commit violent crime. Obviously, it's no surprise that men are more likely to commit violent crimes than women. Men who claim to be women and want to be called a woman and want to transition to a woman ... SHOCKER ... they still have the same propensity to commit violent crime as biological men.
It is indeed curious how these people who oftener claim to be rebelling against gender normativity end up expressing the tribes gender stereo types of the gender they transitioned to. In this context it may be well to remember that some time ago blue was the colour for little girls and.pink was for boys.
there's only such thing if you dive fully into it, and the only people who do that are the few individuals who are transsexual and who actually experience gender dysphoria. it is a thing, but its not common at all.
Look at this. A room full of intelligent, compassionate, happy people. Rational discussion, calm. Respectful and civil. It gives one hope. Hopefully the grown ups will prevail. Except of course the confused one at the end. That was just disturbing, heartbreaking, irrational, emotionally manipulative, immature and lacking facts.
Thank you so much for this. I agree with other commenters, this is the most intelligent and respectful conversation I've seen on this issue. I also agree that in the US there is no way this would ever even be allowed, which is so shameful to admit, but that is an accurate assessment of where we are as a society
I feel bad for the last girl on the Q&A, you can hear in her voice she shakes as she says "im a man" She wasnt listening to the presentation, she was there ready with her bias gradually growing angrier.
She is exactly the kind of young women the panel (or most of them) referred to as needing safe-guarding, and exactly the same kind of response they are used to getting: angry, guilt mongering and narcissistic.
she's completely fucked in the head if being called a girl and seeing her boobs can truly drive her to suicide. She's the living proof that this is a gigantic problem
I'm so happy to know that my two daughters 26 + 19 think this is all insane, I must have done something right, and my youngest daughter has always and still does love football, she loved climbing trees and getting muddy out the back, my older daughter loved dolls and prams and pink things but both of them are very feminine, both hetrosexual, not that I'd have cared either way. I feel sorry for parents who have kids who are easily led into this insanity.
And good for you, many people would take that as a sign of a "trans" kid. I am a trans woman, I would dress as a girl when I was a child but my parents didn't push me to be anything and let me live my life. I transitioned (thank God) until I was 29 because I couldn't keep living with dysphoria, however having manly or girly activities don't make you trans.
@@AdrictaTDT-Twitchmy mom talks all the time about how I would put bows and hair ties in my hair, wore her heels and played with my sister's dolls and Barbie toys. I was even upset that she had better toys than me, at times. Interestingly, I never thought I was gay or a girl and I grew up to be a burly man who likes man things. Served in the Marines because it interested me and everything. It's very scary to me that if I'd have been born 14 years ago, I would be taking some drug that blocks puberty or worse, and may have eventually been conditioned to think that I should have had surgery done. I'm sure that trans-ness is real and probably a lot more rare than we see today, but I'm glad that more people realize that than just me. Until I saw this video, I thought I was going crazy.
That's a very smug way of thinking. I did everything "right" with my daughter, and she still went through a time where she was Trans. She's now married to a man, and we haven't talked at length about what influenced her, but I'm 100% sure it was social media.
I must’ve seen a thousand comments like this now, and 95/100 times the example given is a tomboyish girl. And everyone is always happy to talk about how a tomboy should pursue what she wants. The comment is almost never something like “my boy turned out to be a girlish pansy so I let him do what he wants and he’s fine that way.” People hate effeminate boys and men, whether they’re gay or trans or whatever a hundred times more than anyone gives a shit about tomboys or butch lesbians or trans men. People love saying how they let their daughter play football and ride dirt bikes. Nobody ever wants to admit or even consider letting their boys do makeup or other girly things.
To feel validated means so much. To validate myself by watching this video- and hearing things that sound like reality when I feel I’ve been force fed nonsense and pretend for so long. Wow. I’m taking this quote with me, “I can listen but I cannot affirm.” Powerful. Great video and great discussion. We should all respect one another.
the guy calling himself trans just looks like a bass player in a metal band. Idk what he thinks makes him different from a guy with long hair. ?? Im glad hes talking and whatnot. But what is it im supposed to see here?
i will tell you how to stop gender conformity. Stop calling it gender-nonconformity. I grew up in the 80s. On my 17th birthday my boyfriend let me change the gearbox in his spitfire. I wore my dads clothes. I rode a motorbike. i was also very girly. My mother did much wrong, but one thing she did right was teaching me how to wire a plug....put up shelves.....do things for MYSELF.
Such a rarity to come across a REAL discussion of gender, sex and non-conformity! My main impressions afterwards are centered around the importance of boundaries. I am so deeply grateful to the responsible adults on the panel who so firmly set down what they were willing to entertain and what was not to be tolerated. Several of the younger audience members came across as perfect examples of the effects of making all kinds of teenage issues political hot potatoes and the strong trend towards outright bullying in order to force people to walk on eggshells around people that are obviously not able to even take responsibility for themselves, never mind be treated like leaders. If everything is on the table and you are expected to be able to guilt any adult into any permission, children are left sailing on oceans in darkness without lighthouses or even maps, and that is just bad parenting!
In fairness, indoctrination at school, social media and online grooming have compelled many youth to come out as “trans”. The parents are in a difficult position, being told that their children will unalive themselves if they’re not allowed to transition. The education system and medical profession are failing these children. One thing the parents can and should do, is monitor what their children are doing online.
@@justmemimi7338less privacy for your kids isn't the answer. Better to build a relationship where they feel comfortable bringing these topics to you willingly. Also, gender forms by like 2-3 years old in most kids. All you have to do is talk to your infants about their bits, show then your bits, point out how you and their daddy have different bits, ask them if they think it matters, and then tell them the ways in which it does. My 3.5 year old knows she is in a female body which can grow children and her brother is not. This is not rocket science. Talk to your children like they are human people. Do not fear the trans identity. Respect it. Then, they will not internalize your fear as confusion and wind up going towards others when they inevitably have questions. Instead, they will feel safe coming to. You don't have to believe a person truly is the opposite sex after transitioning to respect their choices and use the pronouns that match their presentation or at least the singular "they". Basic respect for an adult's life choices will ensure your kids know they can come to you with their own confusion, and you will genuinely help them with it. If you are afraid, instead they will know it will hurt you to bring it up, or be afraid of you themselves, and they'll go online or to peers instead. Good parenting doesn't require an invasion of privacy. Kids need privacy. Be better than that.
@@sweetizzy123i didn’t hear that, either. Katie reminds me greatly of Marcus Dibley - a young trans man who should be lifted up in my opinion. Instead, he’s been silenced and called “Truscum”, a term which cracks me up because, by designating someone that, you’re acknowledging that they’re speaking the truth. What Katie said is that surgery did not make her a woman, but it cured her gender dysphoria. She presents as female, but also says she is a man with a mental health disorder called gender dysphoria which made living in a male body feel like such torture that she elected to change the outside of her body to appear as a female. And just as an adult can choose to get breast implants, an adult can choose to change their bodies in other ways.
I appreciate the fact that Katy participated in this discussion so freely. Obviously Katy would disagree on some points with most of the panelists, but everyone behaved decently. The last audience speaker , Michael, said he would have killed himself if he couldn’t bind his breasts and get testosterone. Folks are being told this, and indeed it may be true in some few cases. But I think most people can wait until adulthood for medical and surgical interventions, if they still want those interventions.
All the evidence suggests that this suicide claim is not true. What these girls may have (as the evidence starts building) is evidently low self esteem, a fear of being sexualised (possibly triggered by the porn satuated world they now find themselves possibly sexual assault), some have co morbid conditions such as PCOS, anorexia, autism, lots of researchers and commenators are now saying that for many it's another form of self harm like cutting or anorexia. I've heard some therapists say dysphoria in girls is just a different form of dysmorphia (anorexia/bulimia).
They can, it's really painful but they can I waited until I was 29 y/o and believe me I did everything to push it away, however that was the right thing to do. Thank God TikTok wasn't a thing at that time. I don't regret my transition but transitioning isn't for people under 25 (in my opinion)
@@moneenerd children attention seek. thats what they do. its not a bad thing, its just what it is. it may be annoying, but once you realize that thats what it is, you can begin to understand them better.
@@moneenerd children can be particularly ‘stupid’. What’s even more ‘stupid’ & ‘unfair’ is the notion that legislation in some parts of the US enables a child to seek ‘gender-affirming’ irreversible life-changing medical treatment in the form of pubity blockers, without their parents even being informed. Unfortunately, there are many children that are ‘stupid’ enough to exercise this right without seeking any form of adult guidance or support, only to realise in the years ahead that they have made a particularly ‘stupid’ decision. Adults who choose to ignore this reality, because they don’t want to be seen to be ‘kind of unfair’ towards their children, demonstrate a truly remarkable lack of adult judgement and responsibility.
So awesome to hear a debate such as this. I’m so concerned about what my grandchildren are being exposed to at school and elsewhere. It’s obvious to me that the potential profits to powerful corporations are a real threat to societies where these Corps decide to market their products.
I remember at high school two female class mates who were best friends. They always hung out, would often wear the same outfits etc.... One of them had broken her arm and arrived at school with her arm in a sling. And you guessed it, the following day her friend had an arm in a sling as well.
I had a very close best friend in my teenage years. We are still friends today 60 years later. We were constantly in contact in those days but were very interested in boys. Both happily married now with children. But at the age of 8 to 12, I was a tomboy and if I had been exposed to the intense advertising and fashion of today, I could easily have been seduced into transitioning. Particularly since 'pashing' or hero-worshipping an older girl at school has always been fairly common That is what worries me today.
@@patriciastapleton2625 I think that part of the psychological assessment that people have to have re. Transitioning must include exploration of why..... Is it coming from within / intrinsic vs a child potentially heavily influenced and something that could be seen as a phase. This is the same for assisted suicide which is controversial which i also support. Assessment as to cause and Influences, Checks and balances etc.
@@patriciastapleton2625 I went to a London boys' school in the late 80s, early 90s. Whilst any hint of homosexuality was a massive social taboo within that environment, it didn't stop one having, very secret, and very private crushes. If that would happen today, could one be convinced that the feelings were genuine, and not just a result of the pressure cooker of teenage hormones coupled with no permissible outlet? I think so.
@Three Thrushes I couldn't have put it better myself. There are degrees of everything in nature and an individual must be given ample time to mature into adulthood. Any medical interference with this is wrong. Teenagers are far too easily influenced regarding anything sexual one way or the other. Sometimes in spite of not wanting to be.
People may make the case that the steep increase in teenage transgenders is not as important as it seems. Sure there are thousands, maybe even tens of thousands, of teenagers inflicting permanent damage unto themselves, but that is relatively small in comparison to our other problems. I will say this, the popularity of the transgender movement is another victory of the post modernists. It is not a victory in a physical battle space, or economically, or even in politics, but it is an victory of ideas. The idea that gender is arbitrary and a social construct is becoming more common than uncommon. They are trying to split the thin ice we stand upon and send us into the ice-cold waters of chaos. To destroy our sense of what is real and sacred. Who knows what dark places we will wander into when we have been blinded by moral relativism.
I am sorry but saying you are assigned at birth really winds me up. So agree with Claire Fox saying that she has the right to say what she wants without being silenced and so glad the panel came back at the american person trying to make them feel guilty.
@@babybearsporridge kind of both for an admittedly rare few of us. Took medics 2 hours to make up their minds about my sex at birth. Observed and recorded sex is important. Assigned is fair language for some medical variations but I still hold (rarely for a trans person) that sex at birth is your biological sex and transition is bodily form but does not change sex, only gender and secondary sex characteristics. Sex is immutable, gender is expressible in many ways, bodies can be sculpted to be different. But it can be important to maintain the record of birth sex for medical care throughout life. A trans man can still have female ObGyn conditions and a trans woman can still have prostate cancer so birth sex remains important.
I’m from Burnley, living in America, where this kind of chat can’t occur. I’ve been following the topic closely as I have a little girl. Great to hear a bunch of northerners having a proper chat about it.
50:00 this is an example of the problem. What she failed to disclose in her argument was, "I was not going to accept my mother's position on the issue until I had convinced her that my position was the correct one." That is the problem. There is zero debate. Their perspective is the only perspective, any other thought is the wrong thought.
Tumblr taught me to be anorexic. I also at the time came across an in person companion with the same pathology. My parents had to send me to a program to recover for a semester from college. So thankful there was no permanent damage that I know of.
not even tumblr, society's diet culture in the west taught me to be anorexic, seemingly unintentionally. i almost died because of common advice. i think the internet and social media and people just believing random things they see and hear as scientific facts, which tend to be teenagers, is so dangerous for a maturing mind. so dangerous. i almost died.
I just learned about tumblr, and it made me thankful for my tetris addiction. I have been over here replaying the same puzzle game for 30 years while my friends got converted into all sorts of things through the kawaii porn website I didn't even know was a thing!
@@noelle7786diet culture is normal. It isn't western or American, yet only westerners were suffers after the 70s. It is 100% things similar to Tumblr that caused it, and even the term "diet culture" is a Tumblr term.
@@noelle7786 that can also be applied to “diet culture”. people believing random things about diet and health and causing them to basically destroy their health. Same thing with the fat acceptance movement
Quite possibly the best debate on the issue that I have found. It's rare to find someone to represent the other site, and even rarer for them to be so well rounded psychologically. Massive kudos to Katy for participating in this debate, I hope the consequences are not too overwhelming for her.
Absolutely fascinating and thank you. As a gen x’er this explosion of trans/binary/gender and everything in between really hurts my brain but if I dare to ask for an explanation or try to have a discussion to better understand it 😮 oh my goodness then I’m sorry I tried. I am definitely a women, I’ve had 3 children, I loved being a housewife/home-bird fluffing up the nest and mostly simply gush with pride as my children have grown up and out the nest to live the lives they have chosen for themselves, but as a child I climbed trees with the boys, played cowboys and Indians and wouldn’t be seen dead in a dress so it definitely terrifies me to think what would have happened had I been a child of today. Again thank you to the panel you were all clear with your individual areas and approach to the questions asked of you. 👏👏👏👏👏
27:57 the point being made here is so profound, and although it’s the against debater making it I think it actually proves the social contagion part. All those bad things going up can be linked to social media and peer pressue in young people. Social media has been proven to be highly toxic and manipulating, and if you have this gender non conforming stuff constantly all over it it’s obviously going to confuse people even more. The only solution to this is in my opinion to make it more stringent to truly become a different gender. You should have to live as that identity for 2/3 years, have to get a doctor to back you up that you are genuinely trans, and we have to address this stuff happening in schools where they are too scared to challenge it all so instead just affirm new identities too. Additionally we need to ban sites like Tiktok and really regulate other social media sites too for this stuff to ensure people are getting facts and evidence and not just being brainwashed by ideological propaganda
Peer group pressure is one of the most influential factors in teen culture, many teens want to rebel,challenging norms , what greater rebellion than changing your sex ? Most Teens also don't think through issues logically, they are often driven by emotions and trends and are driven to take risks. Also this issue is constantly in the news and the possibility of transitioning is now available, all possible reasons , this is a complex issue with no single answer.
I'm hearing now of many young people who as teens had decided that they were trans but now as young adults have realised that they are not trans and never were. Now consider the damage if they had been able to get access to hormonal therapy & or surgery.
95% of trans people who transition don’t regret their decision. The largest cause for detransition is lack of social support and acceptance. Do your research.
It’s one thing to blame the parents but has he ever tried living with a teenager who just won’t be told? They mostly opt to go with whatever outside influences are currently trending.
I don't have children, but I was like this as a teenager. I'm Gen X so we knew nothing about trans issues. I rebelled religiously. I was certain that I was a witch/wiccan. I believed it to be such an integral part of my identity and would listen to nothing my parents had to say on it. Luckily, it didn't do lasting harm, but growing up and realizing that I could be so wrong about something I was so sure of at the time was a critical moment in my maturity, as I hope it is for all people. Unfortunately today, you have adults not only affirming teenage delusions but helping kids make irreversible changes to their bodies. I think it would be truly terrifying to be a mother or father of a teen and I wish you and your family the best.
@@7ennifer Yes, at least in the past, even with all the toxic cultural influences around them, teenage rebellion wasn't being encouraged and enabled by all the adults parents are supposed trust to keep their kids safe.
Just one observation from a DJ: Every person on that panel came to the mic and talked about the trans issue in regards to society, schools and educational systems, government, etc. etc. The only 'trans'person on there just talked about himself, his story, his truth...just an observation.
Or it just enforces that when discussing a topic about a group of people it's important to have a representative member of the community there to give a personal account of their existence, rather than only being discussed by people external to the community. I don't think having a trans person, in a panel about trans people, talking about their lived reality of transitioning and growing up with feelings of dysmorphia is a negative. Kind of seems like a necessary part of having a fair and well rounded discussion on the matter.
I have thought for some time now that one of the critical elements of many issues today ( for all groups of people on any number of issues ) is the growing attitude 'It's my way or no way' - which instantly blocks any fruitful discussion or search for logical solutions. It has been so refreshing to listen to a panel of speakers determined NOT to be silenced on the basis of their differing opinions and views, and not polly-parrot a narrative they fundamentally do not agree with, for fear of open-aggressive opposition. The last trans FTM to speak is a typical example of this sort of 'My way' reaction, which does nothing to enable less aware folk to grasp and try to understand their position, as they instantly close down, and shy away from further dialogue...
To many chemicals in everything has totally messed up the kids, social media was no mistake they knew kids would get the same hit as a gambler gets betting, tic tok is destroying the morals and ethics of kids that will do anything for clicks and views.
A great mix of panel members, for me Katie came across as masculine/male. Perhaps getting their way and getting surgery and female name and all that goes with that means that Katie feels no dysphoria now but it was more to do with getting what Katie wanted. Removing oestrogen from teenage girls can be dangerous and lead to dementia and osteoporosis amongst other things. Giving oestrogen to males can produce breasts and no facial hair but with no cervix or womb it has no other place to go. I think one day babies will be born out of the female womb and in a machine but at present males cannot have periods or give birth. The woman who spoke with energy about it being a done deal and law suits followed by panel member saying she was not going to be defeatist was a disappointing patronising response. Then the woman annoyed that she could not find action toys for her girls!!! Fgs I loved playing with my lovely dolls and pram on Christmas day. I also played with my big brother's garage, his toy cars and train set. No drama just pleasure. stopping discussion when gender dysphoria v gender mutilation was mentioned she silenced the speaker. The youngster who said he was a man not the female he was born!!! Said he would be dead without safeguarding. Sounds to me like he still has issues and it may be a general mental health problem that removing oestrogen and binding breast could also kill him in time. I think he thinks all children are the same like him. He felt dehumanised when others shared their opinion is worrying as to his being still mentally unwell and that unlike Katie he needs all to respect and agree with his views but he will not accept theirs.
I know this is only anecdotal but a very close friend of mine (who had life-long issues with depression, compulsive behavior, and self-esteem) surprised us a few years ago by announcing that he was actually a woman and therefore was getting gender reassignment surgery. He got the surgery and the hormone therapy and other stuff and has been in and out of hospitals ever since with one related problem or another, is more depressed and insecure than ever, and never talks about anything other than transexualism, its many difficulties, his new (now not so new) girl parts, and his constant health issues. It's sad and scary and I've really worried about him , but now I find the whole thing too exhausting to even think about and we haven't spoken in over year.
Really sad and a good illustration of what can happen when one goes down this path... I think it is unfair for docs to operate on people who may be delusional as to the limitations ops and meds can have; I cannot see that a person can fully change over ... maybe the technology will be there one day but that would be a frightening prospect.
Please note, as a few have mentioned this, NO QUESTIONS OR POINTS WHATSOEVER from the audience have been edited out. These panel discussions had a limited time slot of 90mins and this one already ran over curtailing the next session, so speakers were only able to respond to a few points or questions. This is why the Battle of Ideas Festival is so good because it does give the audience so much time to speak up. May be see you at the 2023 festival this October in London, we'll be the volunteers behind the film cameras!
There WERE adults in the room in places like tumbler and that's one of the problems. There are groomers or MAP's (to use a term that won't attract censorship) there guiding some of it, because they WANT no safeguarding for girls and women & reduced boundaries in society in general. So many feel it's an area that's off limits to them, which allows these men access to young people who are not being protected by adults with any authority at all. This is why adults with experience of gender disphoria - whether detrans, trans, gay, autistic or whatever MUST stop the politicisation of this issue. There's a desperate need for proper therapy, full non-ideologically bent information at the disposal of a consenting adult, before any medicalisation of the patient commences.
Can you please read Transgender Industrial Complex by Scott Howard for a better understanding of this. Antelope Hill Publishing carries the book. The transgender phenomena isn’t a sporadic natural phenomena. It’s a top down phenomena by interested parties and it’s backed by a ton of money and social programming. If you eliminated the bad actors. This stuff would go up in a puff of smoke. Seriously, even the tiniest bit of digging into this you will find dozens of NGO’s in every country backed by boatloads of money that push this agenda all over the West. And there’s funding of lawsuits all the time to make this fight a political and society changing one. It is an ideological attack by our ruling elites who quite honestly hate us. And no, our ruling elites aren’t the traditional WASP’s of times past.
100%. We must keep looking for and keep speaking the truth. And make "bullying" great again. It's not ok for people to become this antisocial, and a fair amount of peer pressure absolutely made people stronger, now everything offends except the bad and toxic antisocial behavior.
Pritzker family is a huge backer. John Stryker - heir to the Stryker Medical fortune - is another. Martine Rothblat of United Therapeutics Corporation is another. You bet it's top-down. Big power and big money.
I've been wondering about the reasons for 'capture' of institutions for years and the profit motive is often left out by the best, most eloquent critics of TGI. The social contagion and cancel culture is real but I think the cash cornucopia from consultation, pills and surgery is the driver . Jennifer Bilek at 11th hour has the stats.
I've been struggling with gender dysphoria since I was 4 and it wasn't something common, in fact I don't have one single trans friend that I've met in person and suddenly a whole group at a school are trans, what are the odds? I didn't know it was gender dysphoria. When I was able to kinda know what I had I didn't think of transitioning at 14 it's not that I didn't want to it's that I was really confused or to "know" that I was trans. Thank God TikTok nor social media had all these strong beliefs, I'm 29 and I'm transitioning but it's a decision I'm making in my adulthood with a lot of introspection. And I am glad I didn't do it when I was even younger and believe me, being trans isn't a nice not easy path. It hurts and no one with sanity would want to have gender dysphoria, it's not a trend even though is taken as one.
I would encourage you to find credible information from 1st-hand de-transitioners (not from those pretending -- the internet is full of fakes & pretenders). Contact famous publicly-known de-transitioners if you can (best to do so by email, never by social media - because it's more difficult to get fooled using text-only communications). Many legitimate de-transitioners are very willing to help someone considering this irreversible decision. You must know the very serious negatives (you already know the positives). Also, your belief that "it's not a trend" isn't rooted in science or data. Strong indications are that this is affected by social contagion, since facts/evidence shows that in many schools up to 50% of students are "trans" at the same time -- yet then, oddly, the next year (or in a few years) the percentage greatly decreases (to 20% or less). Also odd is that the percentage of trans people in the U.S. is around 1% yet in schools it's always above 10% -- this is another red flag suggesting that strange forces (contagion, other factors) are at play. All of these anomalies in proportion/quantity are unnatural, and so these many things all strongly suggest it is driven by social contagion (which is not the same as a "trend" - your use of that word shows you're conflating things).
@@therightarmofthefreeworld4703 I've been living as a trans woman for over `14 years, since I was around 16 years old. Most people do not know passing me by. It is very possible. And absolutely nothing you can do about it. We've been here for a long time, you can find documentation of us in media even as far back as 1969 with Crystal Labeija. Lou Reed's song "Walk on the Wild Side" was about his relationship with Candy Darling, a transsexual who was part of Andy Warhol's entourage. We've been here. We will continue to be here. Whether we need to hide or be visible, we will be here. And you will do nothing about it. Surely you have much better things to do with your lives? or is it that empty to be you?
I hope that what we'll keep from this will be the freedom to wear whatever the heck we want. But that it will be limited to clothing and accessories, and we'll learn to accept our bodies and be thankful if we've been blessed with a healthy one.
Kids shouldn't transitioning, I am an adult with gender dysphoria why would I not have the option to aliviate the pain? And no, accepting the body you have is not the cure
@@AdrictaTDT-Twitch Acceptance of reality is the answer to many psychological problems we face as humans, why gender dysphoria should be treated differently? Especially when it's physically not possible to change sex? When making the changes carries enormous risks of further health problems? When there's no real evidence that the changes do in fact alleviate gender dysphoria? I wish you all the best, especially treatment that truly heals and not creates more suffering in the future.
@@frusia123 I completly agree, that's why it's s an adult decision, I tried everything to cope with it and to live "accepting" my body however I just couldn't do it and maybe one that someone will find the right answer to it and people like me won't suffer from that horrible condition, however in my personal experience it did alleviate the pain so I only speak based in my own experience not everyone.
@@AdrictaTDT-Twitch If it helped you, then I'm very happy for you. Perhaps you're right, adults should be able to do what's best for them, I hope that there will be a lot more research done, by honest and genuine scientists, so that people with your condition have access to the best possible treatment. PS. I also have a passion for languages 🙂 May I ask what languages do you speak/study?
@@frusia123 completly in agreement and overall that human beings like you can coexist with humans being like me to talk and thrive to a better future. Generally people try to make their own assumptions like the absolute truth and that's actually insane. And of course! In Mexican so I speak Spanish, been studying English for ten years now, french for 9 years and Russian for 1 year, what about you?
My daughter' best friend in middle school needed glasses. My daughter insisted she needed glasses. She said she couldn't see. My husband and i ended up taking her to 3 eye doctors that all said her eyes were fine. She finally asked me if she could get sunglasses and have clear lenses put in them because she felt more comfortable at school with glasses on. The whole thing passed after a few months but it was weird. We knew our daughter could see, But She wanted to need glasses like her friend.
Well entire populations of people have been convinced that if you eat a hamburger, you're going to cause an iceburg to melt. And billions were convinced that you had to shove something up your nose to determine whether or not you're sick, even though you feel completely fine. It's delusion.
I was 10 years old when my younger cousin went to an eye examination for the first time and I went along with him. I was the type of child who felt like I was invisible and people didn't see, care about or love me. I really wanted attention, I wanted to be seen and I wanted to feel important, special and loved. When I saw the attention my cousin got from the doctor, I decided that I should also say I couldn't see so I could also get the special treatment from the doctor. I pretended I couldn't see clearly so I could also have an eye test, but I passed the test anyway. My eyes were perfect so I didn't need glasses, but funnily enough, I actually ended up needing to wear glasses 2 or 3 years later because I genuinely couldn't see the writing on the board at school, especially if my teachers used orange markers. Now I hate wearing glasses and I avoid using them.
Another time, my older cousin had a burst appendix and she was rushed to the hospital. All my family were fussing about her and always going to the hospital and doing nice things for her. I understood this to mean that if something is physically wrong with you then you get love. affection, care and attention. Fast forward to my teen years, I watched a movie about anorexia with my mum and cousin and it hit me that I needed to become anorexic as that would surely give me all the attention I wanted just like the girl in the movie whose mum was worried sick about her, all the time. It was just supposed to be an innocent movie, but my mind was broken. I did actually become anorexic when I 17, but it was purely by accident. I thought I was a little fat and I decided to eat less in order to get a flat stomach like this celebrity whose body I always admired, especially her flat stomach. It only took 2 months before I was in the grips of anorexia and ended up living a life of being in and out of treatment for the next 10 years.
I feel that some of these kids who've been affected by the trans social contagion probably have a mind like I had at their age and they just want attention and to be seen. Others are just going along with the latest trend and others do have a genuine problem with gender dysphoria, body dysmorphia and a host of other related mental illnesses which require talking therapies, but unfortunately they do not get the necessary treatment to actually help them in the long term.
@@hils1015wait. Your eyes were perfect but you needed glasses? I’m sure this is just an oversight (no pun intended😂) on my part, what does this mean exactly?
@@dillonwalshpvd My eyesight was perfect at that time, I was only 10 years old, but when I was 12 or 13 I had to start wearing glasses because I couldn't see the writing on the board clearly. I think it was my maths teacher who suggested I get an eye test because she noticed I was always squinting trying to see the board and if she used orange or green board markers, I struggled a lot to see the words, especially the orange ones. She ended up only using black or blue markers.
I used to make tooth retainers out of paper clips., Same reasons
Another word for "social contagion" is "fashion", and yes, it has become *fashionable* to change sex -- especially if you've got a Tik Tok account.
Exactly. It’s a case of silly teenagers indulging in a dangerous fashion to get attention.
With dangerous parents backing and even encouraging this, or being completely lazy and not caring
I don't think it's become "fashionable" I just think the younger generation is looking at gender differently than previous generations.
@@YRTheyDoingThis Parents are often afraid that if they question their kids' expressions of their sexuality, they will lose custody. This actually has happened.
@@MelsRamblings its not just one or the other, its how many and to what degree
My sister was anorexic and she starved herself to death. We did not affirm her illness and did our best to get her help.
I'm very sorry, that had to have been so frustrating to watch and feel so helpless. It's just like alcoholism or any other "disease" that is self induced. I hate to call it a disease but I don't know what else to call it. Again, I'm sorry for your loss, I can't imagine how hard that was.
@@Five0Five addiction is a real 'disease'. it's as equally self induced as every other disease like cancer, malaria, cjd, cpd, lyme disease etc
I knew one person with anorexia. The mind is very vulnerable. My generation didn’t see much of this in the 60’s.
@@ja6368 I never saw it in a black person before her. I seriously thought it was a white person’s disease. It is a slow moving devastating disease to everyone who comes in contact with it. I would not wish this on anyone.
@@ja6368it existed, but it was often unnamed. I saw a ‘diet’ from the other day from an old magazine and it was atrocious. Mostly coffee. Housewives for years have eaten tiny proportions to keep themselves thin. Karen Carpenter began battling her obsession with her weight in high school. It just wasn’t recognized for what it was until deaths like hers made headlines.
This is the first intelligent, enlightening, non-toxic discussion on the trans issues I've ever seen. I doubt this discussion would even be possible in the U.S., if it wasn't outright protested before it could happen. Even the audience were incredible. The free exchange of ideas with respect. I miss it.
My thoughts exactly! Very refreshing
there have been several others over the years and they are increasing which is promising
We’re encouraged by teachers in US schools to protest, from elementary school to university. Some don’t even show us the educational plan for that day in order to indoctrinate us. Like when it was the Hillary elections, we had to watch all her speeches and her with Obama and such that class and we didn’t do anything else.
My human rights are NOT up for debate.
@@shadetreader shut up
How exactly is calling someone a boy or a girl dehumanizing?
I know!!! You're saying they're a human.
exactly. Telling them they are another species would be dehumanizing.
anything they choose is dehumanizing and causes harm/death/the end of the world. It's a cult
It's not if they actually are a boy or a girl. That's just stating fact.
I didn’t hate my body, I just didn’t know how to react to the way boys and men reacted to my body so I covered my body up in baggy clothing
Im old enough to remember when this was a major fashion trend in the 90s when I was in middle and high school- not necessarily all girls, but a very large number of them (including myself), wore hugely oversized plaid shirts and baggy jeans, while still retaining feminine details like hairstyles and makeup etc. Looking back, this was a pretty brilliant way of coping with the discomfort of unwanted attention or self-discomfort with a changing body. It became a fashion trend, and a sort of contagion of its own to dress in what would have previously been considered a gender non-confirming style, and so instead of a being lured into a toxic culture of self-loathing and mutilation, we were able to use the grunge trend to our advantage as we transitioned through that awkward and challenging stage, feeling somewhat more comfortable and accepted and “normal.”
I’m sorry for your experiences, if it can make you feel better I would be a more respectful man to all modest women out there, have a great day.
@putnam-he2swmen creeping on women is not "men being men". Men are better than this, and you are a misogynist with no discipline if you think otherwise. Men are not slaves to their lust. Men can see a woman, feel attraction, and not show it. Men are adult people capable of emotional regulation.
@@Dollartrumpsignwhen I dressed modestly, that is when I experienced the worst threat to my body. So you're not right about this. Modesty in women is a fetish. Dressing slutty is a protection mechanism. After I was raped, I dressed so modestly for so long, and it was the worst period in my life for unwelcome advances from strangers.
You have no idea what it's like to be a woman, and your stipulation of modesty is sexist and not founded on actual respect for women. If you can't treat a woman as a person when she is hot or naked, you are the problem. Grow a pair and be in control of yourself. What an embarrassing position to hold. Are you a man or not?
@putnam-he2swno . She didnt say she had issues with her body. She has issues with mens sexualisation of her body.
"We don't treat anorexia with liposuction". A very good analogy.
No we just rename it intermittent fasting. LoL 😆
No, actually not at all.
It's in fact the only statement made by a member of the panel here that was silly and downright stupid.
Anorexics have no problem losing body fat perfectly by themselves - on the contrary, taking control, control of their food intake for that matter, is the central piont of that illness.
I'm very disappionted by that pooorly chosen "analogy".
Apart from that: Applause for this in-depth approach, and thanks for bluntly stating that there is no such phenomenon as being born in a healthy but "wrong" body.
Overcoming gender stereotypes is imperative!
@@kajetanberliner3094 The point is, surely, that we don't go along with the anorexic's delusion that they are in need of losing weight. I realise the "control" aspect is important too and psychology uses it as an explanation (it is not so simple eg seekers of holiness wishing to be closer to God can fast until very ill or dead, nothing to do with self image or "taking control" and nothing to do with looking in the mirror). I'm sure we all know someone who has died from anorexia and how we would have loved to see them eat a full meal, rather than encourage them to get thinner. It is a good analogy.
@@bernmahan1162 The truth is, that an anorexic person can never be happy, never be thin enough and has a repulsion for eating.... starvation is the inevitable result if this condition isn't overcome.
That's what makes it such a very bad comparison.
There are analogies that would work, like dysphorias in which an amputation is desired. When such a person is able to live as desired (ends up in a wheelchair), s/he is happy.
So, we could argue as to why we don't fulfill such wishes and accept that some people want to be disabled - and consequently help them acchieving that... maybe by using the narrative that they were born in the wrong (healthy) body...??
These cases are rare and therefore less known, but that can't be an excuse for a poor analogy!
I can imagine people turning the video off right at the point he makes that bad comparison. That's why I'm pointing it out.
The level of this stupidity is massiv ... how cant you see it ?
Myself, and so many other parents that I know are struggling with this among mostly their daughters, but I know a few who have sons. We didn't raise our children to believe gender is a spectrum, but there are elements that working parents just can't control. My daughter was being called he/him by her school; teachers, staff, for the entire last year without my knowledge.
I took her to a Psychiatrist, and a therapist, both of whom affirmed her male identity. Some younger adult members of our extended family call her he/him, trying to be supportive. My daughter has several female friends within her circle that also identify as trans, and they all call each other he/him.
With so many outside sources many of whom are respected adult members of society; Teachers, Doctors, Therapists, Family Members encouraging this, she thinks I'm that bad guy. That I don't know what is going on. That I disrespect her by not calling her he/him. That I am transphobic. This is making children not trust their parents. It's tearing families apart.
But no one will love her and want to protect her more than her mother. I try to remind her that these Teachers, Doctors etc., don't know her, love her, or will be there for her through the rest of life as I will.
I'm in exactly the same boat as you. The school did the same thing to my son the last Yr of school. Now I'm transphobic if I even try to start a conversation with my new daughter. It came out of nowhere and I don't know where to turn to for real help. 💔
I am so sorry your family is going through this. Hopefully the tide will turn re affirmation when the next iteration of the Cass report is published in 2023. Meantime, I can offer no advice except to say that you might find Transgender Trend helpful for support.
I'm in the same situation. And the more I try to help the worse I look in her eyes....I feel for you. All parents in this position.
Time to sue the schools. The indoctrination is real. There are kids who really feel this way and then there are kids who are following the norm/trend in a school setting. If parents don't support their children and their futures, who will? creepy school administrators and creepy teachers
Someday she will be thankful that you loved her enough to tell the truth. The so-called "supportive" people will be out of her life very soon and nowhere to be found should she face deep regrets.
It’s absolutely a social contagion, and I’ll tell you why. If the current explosion of transgender people was due to recent social acceptance, you’d see people of all ages finally coming out trans. It’s not. It’s primarily people under 30. Not only people under 30, just mostly. It’s trauma, mental health, and social media. That combination is the key to why this is happening.
And chemicals like endocrine disrupters in the food , environment and products we use on our skin.
And an increase in middle aged/older men wanting to openly dress as women and access women's spaces such as locker rooms. They are more likely autogynephiles than trans, but call themselves trans.
Sure, 0.1% is an explosion
Perfect argument!
It's the same as DID or Autisum. Yes Autism is more common but then you have the people who "self diagnose " same with DID. DID is so uncommon it can take years and years to even convince the person with DID they have DID. There was a serial rapist who didn't believe he was the one doing it but he was wrongfully convicted. After a Dr noticed a notable change in his behavior as he was speaking with him they realized he was not him and so they tried schizophrenia treatment and it wasn't stopping his mental lapses. Then after 13 yrs he was finally diagnosed and treated for DID with success. Oh and that's working with him daily for 13 yrs.
The girl at 51:00 asks "ask them what they want"
That would be fine, but unfortunately in most cases the answer is; "a never ending supply of good endorphins from attention based on victimhood."
I've been in same sex relationships for half of my life, lived with trans people in the 90s & most of us feel that it's turned from
inclusion & fairness to constant demand to be at the forefront of all conversation.
This is not healthy, it's not honest, and the government aligns itself with it to secure more votes in an upcoming voter class of young people.
There is SO much disingenuous talk in media about it, redundant virtue posturing toward an agenda that it is now beyond the pale.
I thought being accepted, respected & treated fairly in society was the goal, but instead it's a never ending stream of focus on our sexuality.
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That kind of relates to the rise of the narcissist we have seem happening.
Agree
And very darkly is the backdrop of the trans humanist future. This issue, together with AI paint a very bleak picture of humanity's future. It does at least account for why gender confusion has become promoted and institutionalised. Because it fits into the broader plan. We need to keep interrupting.
"People want to be accepted, respected, and treated fairly in society". Yes, that's what the vast majority transgender people want.
I have a hard time with the term "gender non-conforming" - its implication is that all those stereotypes about gender (pink/blue, action figures/dolls, football/ballet, etc.) are actually true - otherwise "gender non-conforming" means nothing. If we truly were fine with boys dancing and girls being firemen, as I think most of us are, there'd be no need for the term. What I have found, however, is that today, when there is inarguably the least amount of such gender expectations placed on people than ever before in history, it is trans activists who write and speak as though we were in the 1940s in terms of gender role expectations, and that it was the fight against this oppression which convinced them they were trans. It is a sick irony, in my opinion, that in order to believe that a child may be trans because he or she doesn't comform to outmoded gender role expectations, you have to at least tacitly accept those expectations as valid.
No it doesn't mean they are true, just that there exists a stereotypical association of certain things to either sex, ie sexist stereotypes. Acknowledging stereotypes exist, which they obviously do, is NOT the same thing as validating them as true and legitimate.
@@ambientjohnny But if you are going to say that a young boy who likes playing with dolls must therefore be a trans girl (and from reading some of their writing, it seems many trans activists make these sorts of leaps from conduct/preference to trans-ness), you must accept it as fact that true boys aren't supposed to play with dolls. Otherwise, it's just a boy who likes to play with dolls. Which it is.
@@markpekrul4393 Yes the "trans" side claims these stereotypes are somehow true, "trans" ideology is sexist and perpetuates harmful sexist stereotypes and relies upon a sexist framework, it is nonsense. I thought you were criticising the concept of being gender non-conforming in general, that's how the post came across to me.
If someone goes against any of the stereotypes associated with their sex, like boys playing with dolls or wearing dresses, then I think saying they are gender non-conforming is perfectly valid, they are however of course not "trans" because they behave in non-stereotypically male ways. No one is "trans", it's incoherent sexist nonsense, so we probably agree.
Excellent point. That's because this is not about gender. It's about destroying the foundation of reality. We cannot remain sane without reference points. Gender is a reference point. Adults not finding children sexually arousing is a reference point. Soon Minor Attracted Persons will be a civil right. Puppy pride and virtual bestiality are now celebrated. When we are collectively at the snapping point, we will do anything to make it stop - including trying to believe all of it is fine or opt for assisted dying, which is also being celebrated.
Exactly. A huge conflation between gender stereotypes and actual gender. And ironically most trans people try to alter their appearance and behavior to meet certain stereotypes. There seems to be an obsession with the outer while saying gender is all about how you feel or identify
When you have a group of 3 or 4 friends that grow up together and then enter highschool and they decide they are trans that is absolutely a social contagion!
Something I noticed.. behind every young teen or preteen that thinks they are 'trans' you will ALWAYS find a wyte mother pushing them into it and, most notably, relishing the attention it brings them having a "trans child"
Yes see that time and time again!
@@AbBc-w4qno. That’s not true. The contagion is being spread mostly by other kids and it isn’t one race more than another. It is pretty equally spread relative to population. Stop demonizing random women when we have data to back up where it really is coming from. Munchausen could play a part, but the social contagion is the reason it is spreading like it is.
transphobe 🤮
Or... maybe just maybe they became friends because they all had that side of them in common. You people are the most bad faith, willfully obtuse bigots in our society right now. YOU'RE it. You're worse (barely) than flat earthers. Don't be proud of that.
1:26:55 - What a beautiful example of gaslighting under the guise of being a victim. I have all the compassion in the world for people who detest being in their own bodies. And at the same time the level of "shut up or you will make us kill ourselves" rhetoric was quite something to behold.
1:28:33 - A brilliant response to the person above. Hearing the message whilst not giving into guilt tripping and blaming. Wonderful.
Yes I agree very good.
That response was brilliant and the truth!
It doesn't surprise me that the silly person was American.
It’s just like when ex partners say don’t leave me or I’ll kill my self, it’s a manipulative tactic
And it’s people like that woman saying “I’m a man”, and trying to take others on a mental roller coaster ride (she sounds to still be unstable btw) that makes a complete mockery of the subject in the first place. Narcissism seems to play the largest roll in the minds of people like that, and it was an excellent reply to an absurd claim.
This was one of the best discussions of this topic I have seen anywhere.
Thank you.
I asked the “why” to teenager I know and she said, “I don’t know. It just feels right.” I like that “Katie” said to ask them WHY. Don’t just accept and affirm.
you do realise the process of going through surgery is a very long process that involves professional medical assessments over time?
"It just feels right" isn't an actual answer. That means she doesn't know. So you keep asking why until she does. THAT is parenting. Teach mindfulness to your kids.
@@whirlwhind666 Not anymore, look at Chloe Cole, look at any detrans story and it's the same fast tracking, maybe 6 months on hormones before an appointment is made to cut their breasts off.
Yeah, i'm sure if you interviewed HItler about Jews he would have said the same. Feeling right isn't a fact. It's a feeling.
@@whirlwhind666 lol no it isn't. Keep lying and coping if it helps you sleep at night.
These girls are not coming out as trans they’re only saying that they’re trans-because it’s trendy
Yep, really trendy to be discriminated against and have openly bigoted conversations about where you can pee without ever being invited to the discussions.
@SuperKripke Your point fails with minimal thought. Cutting and anorexia are also terribly harmful but the contagion effects are clear there too and have been known for years, but girls still do those things too.
@@SuperKripke don't even bother, these people are so bigoted they don't care. they made the same arguments against gay people 20-30 years ago but they don't even recognize it's literally the same argument
@@mischr13 I feel you. Sadly a lot of people wiyhin the LGBTQ community are also joining the anti-trans bandwagon. A lot of these comments sections can be bubbles but it's still important to challenge their perspectives.
@@SuperKripke It's not an "anti-trans" bandwagon, it's an anti-nuttery bandwagon.
The whole "affirmation only" cult mob needs to be stopped.
Children need to stop being mutilated, men need to stop being allowed in women's sports, prisons, bathrooms etc.
The pronoun nazis need to be made to stop. Just leave people alone. This is a destructive fad that's gotten way out of hand.
Interesting that so many girls are now de-transitioning. I watched an interview with one young woman who said she now looks like a five foot tall,balding creepy man who cannot get a partner. It was heartbreaking. She is de-transitioning. Excellent discussion.
I'm gonna ride this Vagina Train to death do us part...and I've been hurt, mistreated by men AND by women, but not once did it occur to me to switch out my gender. My heart goes out to any and all suffering from this cognitive dissonance.
Would like to see your statistics on all those girls who are de-transitioning?
This video is full of statistics 🤷🏻♀️
@@aliciaarballo6388 the statistics were in this very video
@@aliciaarballo6388 90% of people desist after puberty and people transitioning has increased by 4400%. We wont know the true outcome for a few years
I really appreciate that there are still people who didn’t allow themselves to be bullied by activists. Our children NEED us to protect them from those who will groom them to spread their selfish agenda. Gender dysmorphia is an extremely obscure mental illness, and it’s actually anti trans to deny this! if your little boy likes pink and dancing, it is MUCH more likely he might be gay than trans, and even more likely that he isn’t either, and just likes pink and dancing!
Introducing gender confusion to a young child is irresponsible, selfish, and child abuse. If you give praise, attention, and popularity to a child in the room that is hearing voices what you will have at the end of the day is a room full of self diagnosed schizophrenic children. Im really glad older trans people are speaking out about this
As a psychologist, this is a TEXTBOOK hive mind case scenario. It is literally driven by social media, and worshiped by low intellectuals. Since I have a taste for social chaos, it’s fascinating to see it unfold and evolve into children getting actual surgeries. It’s really sad that the parents allow this to happen. NO ONE in the mental health field thinks social media is for people under the age of 18, but no one has the empathy to do something.
You aren't a psychologist
@@oliviamaynard9372 And you aren't "trans".
@@ambientjohnny Yes I am. You still aren't a psychologist
@@oliviamaynard9372 Me, I'm not a psychologist nor have I claimed to be. I have people in my family who work in psychology though and know several others in the field, and everyone agrees that "trans" claims are mental health issues, and that it is ridiculous how people uncritically approach this issue.
@@ambientjohnny more made up stuff
I’d like to correct the statement that adult transitioners are happy with their choices, despite all manner of medical complications along the way. I can’t provide you with hard, genuine figures, but it seems that the majority of adults who make the choice to transition to the opposite “sex” find that their GRS did not fix their mental health issues. Furthermore, I believe that the most dangerous point for those adult transitioners (who find that surgery didn’t fix their problems) comes some years after medicalisation, and this is where the suicide rates increase drastically. Not only are they left with the same dysphoria they started off with, they are dissatisfied with the experimental surgeries they underwent (or even just long-term hormone therapy) not only for the aesthetics they’re left with, but from all the pain and suffering from botched treatment, still not being accepted for who/what they want to be, and finding out all the negative side-effects of what they allowed so-called “medical professionals” to do to them and paid them handsomely to do so. It seems that very few adults who have transitioned are truly happy with the outcome but it’s too late to change their minds by the time they’ve realised it 💔
I must add my deepest admiration for Buck and his ilk who don’t sugar-coat things and are realistic in their expectations and outcomes, mainly because they are truly transgendered individuals. And to those brave individuals who have learned the hard way that the process of trying to assume the form and identity of the opposite sex is not an idealised stereotype, that idealised identity isn’t what they thought it would be, and then there are serious medical procedures and the likely (not possible) complications that come with it, aside from all the physical pain. They have tried to speak out and have been metaphorically flayed for doing so, but the tide is turning. Courts across the world will soon be flooded with malpractice suits, and I hope it gets even more serious than that, especially for a certain female surgeon who delights in making sickeningly “happy” videos to post to the most vile, disgusting, easily accessed social media site on earth. The whole trans ideology nonsense has been an outright affront to just about every group of people on the planet. In the words of Joe Jackson, “And if there’s war between the sexes then there’ll be no people left.” (From the song Real Men 1982). Peace out all 🙏🏼❤️
It's after 10 years or so after the opposite sex approximation surgeries when suicide rates skyrocket.
Apparently peak suicidality amongst "trans" people is 10 years after transition - however people arrive at "trans" as an answer to severe distress I suspect that the trans identification is an expression of mental illness including anxiety, depression and dissorders of disassociation, as is self harming, self starvation, substance addiction etc but unlike these outcomes trans has been dressed up by bad actors (big pharma and medical services that gain financially, AGPs who include powerful white males who want validation if their kink, lib politicians and academics who enjoy the admiration of the trans lobby and seem willfully blinded by the rainbow and glitter brigade) and this has been sold into our organisations, political structures and government departments to the extent that it has taken hold.
It is a disgrace that teachers who are in no way qualified to support mental illness are actually creating this and teaching it to v vulnerable children who are easily brainwashed (whether the children like to think the are or not - teens like to think they know it all after all - we all know this as we have been teens)
@@helench6097 so well put 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Totally agree!
This was a great conversation with such great speakers! Thank you for posting this! The last 15 mins are very critical to listen too
I love James, on the panel. The young lady who says, “Ask the kids.” The kids are just that, kids! And James is right, kids need boundaries. I grew up in a single parent home, and when my girlfriends and I got in trouble, my friends would be punished. I wouldn’t be, and it made me wonder, why? Did my mom not care? Kids crave boundaries! Boundaries make them feel loved, and protected.
I am a single parent and was the one that made sure my sons knew the boundaries. If they went over them they soon new about it.
Opinions of kids are also valid...
@@exdetransitionervalid does not always mean safe, well thought out, smart, wise, or careful.
Nowadays if you try to set boundaries with some of these rebellious children, they will threaten suicide and make accusations of abuse against you. We are between a rock and a hard spot.
I sought medical help around 18 over a decade ago, the diagnosis was “transsexualism” back then.
I’ve watched this blow up. Our support spaces were infiltrated by young people who’s experience didn’t match with the experience of the current group. It was treated like a lifestyle choice, something fun to do, over time they brought their Ideologies, I had bailed by this point, I lost my community over this trend. We cant talk about the medical and scientific potential causes and explanations or we are called “trans medicalists” and “truscum”.
The jargon has probably changed now, I haven’t engaged in support groups for a long time now.
So many people think of your group (old-school transsexuals who just wanted to live their lives in peace) when this topic comes up. They have no idea that it's a completely new group with a new aggressive ideology. I have explained this to people and they often look very confused. If you can keep speaking out please do, check out Miranda Yardley and Kristina Harrison who are both transsexuals who acknowledge that they're male, and support women's rights and have spoken up against trans ideology.
@@katec9893
Thanks for this, back in the day transsexualism wasn’t an Identity, it was a diagnosis. I don’t want a trans Identity, I’m a human, I’m me. I live the role of man, because that’s how I’m naturally inclined, whatever the reason for that is is still unclear, but what is clear is I am also female and accepting one’s biological sex is the first step to contentment for transsexuals IMO. Everything else is ultimately performative, but trying to fit yourself in to a box that goes against your nature is exhausting and that fatigue is what ultimately pushed me towards transition and allowed me to live a more liberated and authentic life.
@@RubberJunk1 It‘s true what Kate said, I‘m 42 and have no kids and was only made aware of this development because of Scotland and Hogwarts Legacy.
I had no idea what the ‚trans-community‘ has become…toxic cancel mob and endless victimhood combined with narcissism…that‘s not what I had in mind thinking of transsexuals
@Rubber J isn't transition "trying to fit yourself into a box"? Why can't people just live their natural bodies, whatever their personalities?
And I do believe the influx of young people into the trans community by social contagion came second. What came first, was trans adults reaching them on social media, grooming them. I think one of the early waves was on tumblr, when they decided not to restrict adult content nor set age limits.
@@perimele6
Transition is not limiting yourself to the box society pressures you to conform too.
People can choose not to alter their bodies medically. Altering sex characteristics isn’t unique to trans people. Almost all the medical options available to trans people were initially developed for non-trans people. Transition medically or not alleviates gender dysphoria.
It’s fine to fit in a box if you do, but if you don’t it can cause stress and fatigue, so not limiting yourself and expressing yourself freely relieves that tension.
I highly suggest not making changes you don’t want too just to fit a stereotype.
Back in the day I didn’t personally see grooming going on, we had small online forums and new people would join on their own accord.
Not going to say there aren’t weirdos online but to my knowledge teens have been known to pick up odd trends like otherkin and now mental disorders are apparently a trend. It’s not really a surprise to me that teens jumped on transsexualism and ran with it.
As an elder woman, brain intact, I want to understand. Many things in life and in particular, right now, about the why's behind the growth of the trans movement and all issues surrounding it, including the move to transhumanism which factors into this discussion. I have attended likely over 90 seminars or discussions or individual presentations on this subject. This panel is comprised of 5 of the finest most thoughtful, intelligent and caring of individuals who are helping me to understand and anyone who listens. More questions and answers have come up. I wish you could go to other countries and attend many forums to present what you have today because much is new or presented differently. ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT, every one of you. AND to the fine audience. thank you all so much.
Everything that Helen Joyce brought up are the things I talk about and try to have discussions with other people about but imediately get shut down by these gender extremists. As an immigrant who grew up in America, and as a woman who dealt with some dysphoria as a young child (due to abuse), and as someone who researches a lot about other cultures (including her own) and is fascinated by how humans in general interact, behave and adapt, I can see how obvious that what is happening around me is indeed a social contagion and BRAINWASHING. I’m still not entirely sure why it started in the US (maybe the lack of cultural identity and heritage has been replaced by this?) but this issue has spread in anglophone countries the most, but if you go anywhere else in the world, it’s not really an issue or a “contagion”. Children aren’t being indoctrinated in schools, and parents are not buying into it. Women and girls aren’t being told that they’re probably gender fluid or trans for liking sports and/or for having short hair… this is a unique issue in America and other English speaking countries, HOWEVER it is the US, Canada, Australia and Britain that are inserting NGOs into other nations (including my own) and are trying very hard to push this indoctrination and ideology. We may not have this issue in our schools, but it’s bad enough that the US is trying to push this onto my people and many others. I hope this is an issue that gets called out and is stopped in tracks soon. These NGOs are trying to give children hormone blockers, hormones and talks about gender ideology to children without a parent present.
Because it's like a religion. You must simply agree and believe or your evil
You ate completely agree, I am a mexican trans woman and I do know obviously that are other trans people in the country but not even one friend of mine is trans.
It's about liberalism. Not lack of cultural identity or heritage. Peak of individuality is what we're seeing.
@@elbis1964 agree to disagree. The alt left are anti culture. They view it as a threat to their ideology. I was literally raised by a psychopathic commie and every one of these other “commies” and “antifas” are all the same. They hear about a country like mine, and they view it as a threat. I know what’s at stake here. I was raised by these kind of people and their insane dogmas.
Thank you for your thoughtful writing. However, one of the speakers above in this panel, and other discussion groups I've watched, have confirmed there is deliberate indoctrination pushing children to see their gender is something they can choose, or whatever they want it to be. These ideas are being presented to them.
Imagine a society discussing whether it is ok for children to irreversibly mutilate themselves. I’m afraid I’m with the pessimistic woman, we have already fallen.
Is it correct to use the word "mutilate" for elective surgical procedures? Is the intention here just to demean trans people as "freakish" or "grotesque"?
@@SuperKripke I’m not a surgeon but did do a fair bit of it in my younger days as a newly qualified doctor. Yes- mutilation is an appropriate word. Depending on the dictionary “mutilate” means causing a violent and disfiguring injury or inflicting serious damage on someone. I’d say it meets the definition. I frankly don’t care what grown adults do to themselves. They can rip off entire limbs imho but to even contemplate allowing children to make this decision is wicked in the extreme. And in my clinical experience most such children have very odd parents who don’t know what it means to “parent”. Quite often it’s like people who are proud to announce their pet dog is vegetarian- guaranteed that isn’t the dog’s choice.
@@SuperKripke surgical attempt at approximation of the opposite sex also known by the highly inaccurate euphemism of 'transition' is an adverse outcome. Absolutely. Some may find it freakish and grotesque. You have no control over people's feelings and opinions. It's a tough pill to swallow for some.
@@tozmom615 it seems you have already established a profile of who a trans person is and their parent might be. It's as comical as abstracting black people out as criminals or Jews as misers that hoard gold.
Do reflect on why you use the word "mutilate". I feel you may have picked it up in watching videos like these but it is largely used to bring in the connotation of disfigurement or harm. It doesn't get used in the context of elective surgeries which are available to non-trans people. You wouldn't use the word when describing a surgery of a breast cancer survivor nor an amputee. You would not use it in the case of infant circumcision depsite it not being elective.
@@insidiousmischka There is no special surgery that trans people have that any one else can't have. You would not refer to a double mastectomy or an amputation surgery as "mutilating". The only reason you do so for trans people is to highlight their freakishness and demean them of their dignity.
I always find the phrase "born in the wrong body" to be completely and utterly asinine. You cannot be born in the wrong body, it's your body, it just is.
That argument used to be used against the existence of gay people.
Quiet
@@JoanneGiangrande Lol, someone's triggered.
The misery and maiming of these kids are just a growth for pharmaceutical companies.
What a warped view
@@BedboundME the truth is always hard to stomach. It’s a mental illness not a body ailment.
@@alffuergregor some people, perhaps yourself, want to argue homosexuality is a mental illness. Being blind to gender fluidity/ androgynous people or people who, despite their sexual organs and hormonal exposure are otherwise much more like the opposite sex in all manner of ways - physicality, voice, emotions , dress choice etc , is, in my view, like being colour blind, but this time wilfully.
@@BedboundME Sex is biology. Gender is language. No language means no gender but still male and female bodies. It does not matter how you feel it matters only what you are. In a female space you are a dude with a dick and you should not be there. As is well documented by the amount of sexual violence committed by trans.
@@BedboundME and homosexuality is a sexual preference to the same sex.
Right of the bat really impressed with James Esses. Simple terms, simple truths, very clearly stated.
In my sons' school ( they are both 16), there were a lot of trans, non-binary etc in the past two years. Apparently, it is in decrease now in their year. They were mainly girls going through it and for some of them it was just a phase.
Hopefully they still have all their body parts and didn't have their puberty ruined by drugs.
I really appreciated this panel. My 15 year old identifies as male (told us 2 years ago), but is biologically female - It seems like there is a huge social component to it and an absolute shift in definitions (like that there is a difference between gender and sex) which I'm not sure how to get past. Our household has always made it clear that one doesn't need to conform to gender stereotypes, yet our gender non conforming child now thinks they are a different gender... I asked why teens aren't trying to push back against gender stereotypes and break them and was told that they are. Kinda floored me in how different we are seeing things. The teens think they are breaking stereotypes when they figure out their gender (rather than just let it match their sex), but I see them as reinforcing the stereotypes to make their self determinations. How do we get to a neutral place on this?
There isn't a neutral place to take when your 15 year old daughter is on a pathway to self-destruction. Wake up.
The only way is if more young butch lesbians and gender non conforming people would speak up. I do worry it's one of those things that even if what you're saying is the truth, they'd only possibly hear it from certain people they feel they can relate to more. The problem with that is the amount of butch lesbians who are comfortable expressing that and the negative reactions they could get is too few...
Funny how I am gender nonconforming. I never thought of myself as trans or non binary. I had to look up what non binary is, and I find myself more non gender conforming than most of them. The difference is that instead of changing my gender to conform to society, I just do what makes me comfortable. Growing up, it was about busting down stereotypes, and now its changing your body and identity to fit them. And I was born and identify as a straight female.
@@love-ip7sz cisgender butch lesbian or unfeminine cisgender woman (some straight women are tomboys and some trans women are lesbians), or feminine cis boy, or drag performer =/= trans. These are fundamentally different. One is identity, the other is presentation. I think the feminist movement really shoots itself in the foot if it tries to push the anti trans narrative, as it undermines the fact that men and women are not very different at all, and we should treat people like individuals regardless of how they identify. The idea that gender is in one's pants and not one's brain, really comes off sexist, a la Andrew Tate, frankly, but some "feminists" are pushing the same narrative that somehow we're so different that nobody could possibly identify as the opposite end of the socially constructed gender spectrum (nevermind that there's also a small portion of people who are nonbinary). At the end of the day it doesn't matter how you identify as much as how you treat others.
@OP, listen to your son, really listen, so you can understand where he's coming from. From LGBT friends of mine, what made a big difference for their relationship with their family (and mental health and general wellbeing) is whether their parents were supportive and understanding and took the time to talk to them, or doubted or undermined them (they pretty much all knew at least deep down by the time they were a teen, if they didn't have an inkling sooner). I understand that it's probably difficult if it's your own child (especially because of the possible safety repercussions), but I hope you look into transgender resources and read up about teenagers and identity on those websites. It's confusing if you haven't had any friends or close acquaintances who are trans, but UA-cam can be a great resource for understanding it on an emotional and personal level, it's how I "got it" when learning.
Wow , this is a brilliant insight @upstatenymom2938!
I agree, I believed I was trans for 7 years from early adolescents to early twenties and it was the most confusing and toxic time of my life... I thought that what made me different to my birth gender made me trans which I now realise that is close minded
Girls and boys are all different and you should align yourself rather then try to change your body to match your personality.
(In my case at least , I understand that gender dysphoria is a mental health diagnosis that may only lend itself to transition in some cases but certainly not most.)
It's telling that J Esses, H Joyce and J Bristow stuck to the topic at hand - whether the trend of "trans" amongst teens, particularly teen girls, is case of social contagion. But KJ Went talked mostly about themself and their own personal experience, which has nothing at all to do with being a teenage girl today or at any time in the past. Also, at least twice Went bragged about "going all the way" with Went's "transition" surgeries in what seemed to me a clear attempt to cause everyone else to think of and envision Went's genitals. A very blokey move. Finally, although Went seems like a nice enough person with some valuable to things to say, Went lost all credibility in my book when Went claimed to have an "intersex" condition that Went pointedly didn't name. I find trans-identified persons claim to have unnamed "intersex" conditions highly suspicious.
Agreed. I believe they think people will think of them as born half man half woman so they're more the sex they're not before even modifying themselves at all. Which is nonsense. But I hear it a lot. It doesn't sound more plausible that a man is a woman when he claims he's intersex and trans. It just sounds like he'll lie about anything.
Concur with all your observations.
He's a white middle aged heterosexual cluster b paraphiliac. With blinking neon signs.
Maybe Went isn't really a "nice enough person".
@Karen Most trans identified males are all about themselves, that's the reality and Went is no different to the others. Don't be fooled by the gaslighting and superficial charm and humour.
I didn't notice any charm or humour, lots of gesticulating into the space of the woman sat next to him, and avoidance of the topic of discussion
The weaponization of sucide baiting is so evil. That person should feel ashamed of their actions.
what do you mean by suicide baiting?
@@harrietboateng5239 they cant answer that question lol
There’s tons of evidence that supporting someone in their journey reduces anxiety & depression - to the point that there’s little difference between trans and cis people. Let people explore and they’ll figure out what’s right for them.
@harrietboateng5239 you know what they mean. Go away.
@catsmom129 there is zero evidence.
I noticed when I was at school in the 60’s. I got a kitten, guess what, in the end all the girls were wanting their parents to buy them a kitten, even those I knew didn’t like animals especially cats. Take from that what you will. It’s a low type of mass hysteria. Thank god that’s all I experienced, I don’t think I could have coped with all this ridiculous shit
Yeah. My 1 friend at my all-girls' school became a goth. Then our whole friendship circle were some shade of goth or emo, everyone into the same music. You want to fit in with your peers! And if you can express your tastes and fashion in a way that ticks off adults, all the better. What a shocker.
The strangest crazes sometimes arise among school kids, and especially girls. Here's a super weird one: when I was in Grade 5 - so we would have been about 10 or 11 years old - there was a short-lived craze among the girls in my class, and it may have extended to other classes too, to bring little plastic vials filled with a mixture of milk and water to school. I think now the vials must have been the kind that are used to store blood samples in labs, so I don't know where they were getting them: maybe drugstores sold them? Anyway, they would go around claiming that this mixture of milk and water was the most delicious thing ever, like it was this amazing elixir magically created just by combining those two ingredients, and that everyone just had to try it. Every day it seemed at least one new girl came to school with one of these vials. I thought it was all quite mad, and every time a girl on the playground asked me if I wanted some "milk and water", I would just shout, "No!" and get as far away from her as I could. Still have no idea what was going on there, or how it got started. I think probably once the teachers caught wind of it they put a stop to it, because I don't think it lasted for more than a few weeks.
@@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci That is incredibly strange... The weirdest thing I remember with a my girl friendship group was us picking our scabs, making them bleed, then scab, then pick the scab... Pretty disgusting. (And left scars on my legs lol what were we doing??) The ring leader girl with the influence over us was the most hard core, she actually used a compass needle to carve the initials of her celebrity crush into her arm... I'm surprised she wasn't a cutter, looking back. Thank God she wasn't, or she'd have probably had all of us doing it.
I remember back in maybe middle school (I'm 58) there was a "Tough Cool Girl" named Pinky Tuscadero on one or a few episodes of a sitcom...within a week there were a couple dozen girls at school all walking, talking, dressing, and acting exactly like her.
good observation and it explains the current vogue.
@@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci
Extraordinary talk with an amazing group of panelists! I don't know what the laws are in UK public schools, but I am a school teacher in California and have just been made aware of a law concerning K-12 schools that is profoundly disturbing and I am struggling with it (along with my school District recently mandating that I use "student preferred pronouns"). The policy is that when a student informs school officials that he/she is "trans" and announces a new name/ "preferred pronouns," we are forbidden to contact parents about it. Kids can do this not only without parent permission but without their knowledge. It is justified by saying that it may be "unsafe" for 'trans' kids to come out to parents/family (so the State needs to protect kids from parents in this situation). Not only should this concern all educators, but parents should be outraged by this and I absolutely don't see this happening.
Tax them
Teachers should seriously consider their own safety. Parents won’t care what some law says. Those that passed this grooming law won’t be there to protect teachers. There will eventually be a parent that reacts extremely negatively to this. They’re going to come looking for the one closest to their child. Just some food for thought. I think teachers need reminders these aren’t their children, they’re being paid to perform a job, which doesn’t include replacing parents or parental duties. This is very dangerous ground.
So the conversation should not be about parents being outraged by this mandate, but why the public school system is doing this in the first place? Have you ever asked that question? Have you ever asked the think tanks why they would feel there is a need to protect trans students, or is this another way to create, hmmm, anger? We do this all the time, you have your agenda, so instead of asking the questions we automatically go to the, what are they thinking narrative. Here’s another question for you, if parents are so concerned about this issue which seems to be at the forefront of our political spectrum, why aren’t parents having INFORMED discussions about this with public school districts?
Yes my mom is a kindergarten teacher and has been warned not to say "goodmorning boys and girls" anymore.... something she has said for over 35 years with no prior issue!!
@@doeeyes2 Changes are difficult. She needs to deal with it.
I've never been a feminine girl. I grew up climbing trees, beating up little boys, digging holes in the dirt and thought of dolls more as something to pull the heads off of and throw on the roof. I felt quite awkward around most other girls growing up and to be fair, I still do. I work in a male dominated field of a male dominated career. That being said, I'm fine with my body and generally like myself for who I am. I could benefit from losing some weight, but that's an entirely different subject.
When I was a child and a teenager, I definitely felt out of place and felt like things probably would have been easier if I had been born a boy. I still felt that way in my early 20s, but it was some time in my mid-20s that I learned to accept myself and even love myself for who I am. That I am a woman, but I'm just not feminine. I'm bisexual and have always felt as attracted to girls as I am to boys although I don't understand other women enough to have ever been able to date one.
I've taken a bunch of those stupid tests in books and online that determine your "gender" and all of them always come back 97% or higher as a "straight male" which makes me laugh my ass off because I'm not a male and I don't have a problem with being female. I've even had people force me to play the guys side of the "battle of the sexes" card game because I don't know crap about make-up and fashion, but I know my way around a toolbox and how to fix cars so they didn't think it would be fair, and they were probably correct about that.
Had I been born in this younger generation, with so many people talking about this kind of stuff, there is a very good chance that someone would have talked me into thinking I was trans and I'd have never learned to love my body for what it is. That is a scary thing to think about and one of the biggest things I worry about when it comes to this generation. That they may never learn to love themselves for who they are if they are like me and just don't fit into that perfect box that society seems to put people in.
I'm certain there are people out there that truly have gender dysmorphia that could benefit from gender reassignment, but I also feel like this is becoming a trend and many of the children making this decision might regret it in the future if they turned out to be wrong.
As much as people push it as being life saving, I'd imagine if it doesn't actually help someone who was too young to actually understand what they were doing to themselves, it could result in more suicides in the long run because people still were not happy and now they can't change things back.
Very well said! I was just like you, hung around with my brothers, did what they did, chores etc, and hated staying in the house. A farm girl, loved hanging with guys, could talk easily with them...When I started dating I'd talk with my dates about what's under the hood of a car, I changed my date's tire (he couldn't) and now I'm an extatic mom of 3 grown, successful kids. I still crawl under the sink, change tires, and it feels so good to know such a wide range of things! My friends are jealous! lol
Who Cares?
You sound like my wife. She's taller than me (I am 5'10"), wears overalls and drives a truck. She is no less female for it.
I am an amateur mechanic and auto enthusiast, and I love that she knows her tools and can fetch one for me while I am under a car.
You are blessed to accept yourself "as is" without the need for labels or mutilation. 🙏
And there was nothing wrong with you back then either. Its fine to like all of those things and be a woman.
Yes, most definitely a social contagion.
Transhumanism. Advanced capitalism. There's a lot of money to be made medicalizing children for life and performing operations on them that will endlessly need corrections. Take the reality spectacle I am Jazz as an example
@@sofasrus8081 What is going on with that poor human being nowadays?
It’s actually mostly likely sexual assault
I work in a charity for teens around substance misuse al
All trans female to male had been sexually assaulted or raped
@@sofasrus8081 Sorry, but this is nonsense. As a staunch anti-capitalist, you can actually argue the opposite, that making people stick to specifric genders like male/female makes money. Just think of advertising that is specifically geared towards men and women. Women''s products, cost more, for example.
@@beaudenoir morbidly obese and still depressed and hinting at transition-regret.
THANK YOU! it is about damn time that a group of people of divergent views has had the courage and decency to submit to the responsibility and burden of conversation. it is a tragedy for us all that conversation and disagreement have become a cause for personal attack and harsh condemnation. i agnostically pray for more couragous conversation.
Absolutely, and THAT is what I call a “safe space”.
Ms. Fox handled that last tricky comment with the grace and finesse of a master. Bravo!
It's funny how it was the very last audience speaker that turned out to be the very reason that discussions like this have to happen.
Are you referring to the point made by johanna altmann: Token emotional manipulation moment at 1:27:00? If so, agreed.
@@robbiespence6504 Yes, it's all about "affirm or validate me otherwise you are responsible for my life". Always so below the belt with these messed up people.
@@richalderson6069 You can tell these people don't have a clue what dying means. If they knew, they wouldn't waste their lives on made up problems.
Agreed. And she is a perfect example of the need to treat this condition primarily as a mental illness.
the compelled hair length she mentioned. Nonsense. No-one cares about long or short hair for either sex.
With all the tension in the world today, never knowing what may be said or done that could create a firestorm of emotion, offense, and resentment, this video was such a breathe of fresh air and so very necessary!!!
Thank you for putting this rational and truly caring forum together, an extra thank you for sharing it!!! ❤
49:52 it's because what is being called "gender" is really just personality.
However, she is naive to think that vulnerable young people are not being "brainwashed" when they are indeed being actively told in schools and become convinced that they can change their sex or that their interests or fashion sense determines in any way what their bodies should look like or what their pronouns should be.
The staggering increase in young ppl, especially girls seeking medical transitions is evidence of this happening.
I'm not exaggerating when I say that I was really encouraged to identify as lgbtq in school by some of my teachers and people in positions of power in school. I think you should really consider that. Like, I when I got in trouble in school, I was told by a counselor that she knew that I was a lesbian and that if I came out to my parents, I would get off because I am just troubled. I am neither a lesbian, nor did I present myself as one. I was even in ballet at the time, slim and girly (though sporty - leggings, tshirt, ponytail). But I got caught smoking with a girl friend of mine. She was told the same thing but denied being lesbian so she got arrested for being owner of the weed. I got indoor suspension. Then, a lesbian english teacher encouraged me to be lesbian and I'm going to explain how. What she did was that she got the prettiest girl in class to send a notice to the office, I noticed that she took note of everyone that looked at her walking to the door. I looked at the girl walking to the door and when I looked back at the teacher, she was looking straight at me, nodded and gave me a knowing smile. Then, she was really mean and scary to all the students but was really nice to me and to a few other students. Then, she invited me the the lgbtq club (which she was leader of). Again, I am in no way lgbtq. But I can see how some students can fall for that in order to feel special or be treated nice by someone in power. Or even to get out of trouble. Btw, the school authorities still told my parents that I was lesbian and did the same with my friend's parents. Even though it is not true. My friend's mother shortly after, took her own life. And to be clear, I am a biological straight girl.
WOW! I love reading presumably real life anecdotes and thank you for sharing as this is eye opening. I swear if you are a weak minded person, the wolves will come for you...I'm so happy that you were built to resist another's issues that they were trying to push on you.
That is outrageous. Your teacher and counsellor are really out of order. You should report them and the school authorities for this. Telling you that you are lesbian when you are not is just arrogant and damaging behaviour. They should not be messing with your head like that. Tell your parents that your school is pushing lgbt on you and tell them they pushed this label on you. That is harassment. Seriously they are so in the wrong to do this to kids. I am sorry. you had to go through that.
@@rl7012 This happened to me a while ago, when lgbtq was mostly lgb. Unfortunately, I think we really start caring about these experiences after we're adults and have developed mentally, like after 25. Kids are really resilient and put up with a lot of crap all the time. We as kids process abuse differently and we respect authority. I'm not sure those people still work there or how I would even address the issue. If they tried to push this on me (a girly girl) and on my friend who had a different boyfriend every week, imagine how they push this on kids that are tomboys and such. I just tell people to be vigilant of everything and everyone. I even remember that in Elementary school an older male staff member (only saw him that one time) told me that gender was not real and that boys could also be girls and when I argued with him and told him that a boy could not be a girl, he got really mad at me and I just shut up because he scared me.
@@jacquelynn2051 It is a very sad world we're currently living in. Always be vigilant and always protect innocent kids.
@@LemonDropYum Wow. You wrote that so well and so insightful, I am just shocked that things are that bad. Just to comment on some of the things you said:
_'We as kids process abuse differently and we respect authority'_
Exactly. And teachers and adults know the you process abuse differently and they know that kids respect authority. Even if some kids don't respect authority, they still believe that the authority knows best. And so it is a massive abuse when those in authority push this nonsense on vulnerable kids. Even the kids who don't think they are vulnerable, are actually vulnerable. It is outrageous that children have to endure this. It is so so so wrong and unnecessary.
_'If they tried to push this on me (a girly girl) and on my friend who had a different boyfriend every week, imagine how they push this on kids that are tomboys and such'_
Exactly. It is an abuse of power and authority.
'_I even remember that in Elementary school an older male staff member (only saw him that one time) told me that gender was not real and that boys could also be girls and when I argued with him and told him that a boy could not be a girl, he got really mad at me and I just shut up because he scared me.'_
That is insane behaviour from any adult, let alone a teacher. And you are 100% right, a boy cannot be a girl and vice versa. It is frankly disgusting that the authorities try and brainwash kids with this rubbish.
_' I just tell people to be vigilant of everything and everyone.'_
Good for you. Keep doing that. It is so important that kids know that authority does not know best on these matters. I am so glad there are young people like you who see this forced pushing of fake truths onto kids, for what it is.
So thank you so much for leaving your comments here on UA-cam. Mainstream media is not reporting all this, so the more kids and people spread the word of what is really going on, the better. Keep speaking the truth as you are helping more people than you know. Thank you again.
It started as a fad / fashion statement around 2015 and slowly as people realized the level of endless attention they get from it, whether it be praise or pity it seemed to become an addiction. The fact that all the trans young people have their trans-ness as their only identity and personality trait is very telling. Like they're not an artist who happens to be trans, they're a trans artist. They're not a teacher who happens to be trans, they're a trans teacher. It's very clear they don't want to just be equal and blend in with the rest of the world. Last point... Imagine if social media didn't exist. Would we be seeing the large numbers of teens and 20 somethings coming out as trans?
Good points, I think you are correct.
Absolutely not.
Brilliant!
Follow the money. Rich men can make money from the pain of confused, mixed up people. A trans patient is a patient for life and a commodity that people with money will not let go easily. The other underlying and creepy issue maybe autogynephilia. Why are their such a lot of big angry men at these rallies who obviously do not like women. This is taking away from the genuine LGB individual or the poor kids who are genuinely suffering from dysphoria.
Yeah, rich men make lots of money in the porn industry from exploiting and humiliating young women and their bodies so they profit either way
Not how autogynophilla works but ok what about non profit medical
Countries like the U.K. Canada France most of the western world we’re the money there and isn’t this an argument for better care as of it was cost effective then it could treat more
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs I can’t understand your argument… in the uk we have the NHS which is free at point of service, but the Pharmaceutical Corporations make millions of £s in profit, so not sure what you mean when you say “‘non profit medical”.
Absolutely this Jan 🫶🏻
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs thats not how socialized medicine works....its not "non profit"... big pharma is still getting paid. We just pay higher taxes, most of which goes to healthcare and big pharma. Also percription medication isnt free in Canada (althougn you might have some coverage thru ur employer)
Weird how the color pink is now the official color of females….I’m a lady who doesn’t like pink at all. I like muted colors. I’m a girl. There is really no such thing in reality as transitioning to the opposite sex. The man sitting at the table looks and sounds like a man. The long hair is part of the costume, dressing up as a woman. Many real women have short hair. No one thinks they’re men, this guy looks silly.
An interesting article I read was on the difference between men and women in their propensity to commit violent crime. Obviously, it's no surprise that men are more likely to commit violent crimes than women. Men who claim to be women and want to be called a woman and want to transition to a woman ... SHOCKER ... they still have the same propensity to commit violent crime as biological men.
It is indeed curious how these people who oftener claim to be rebelling against gender normativity end up expressing the tribes gender stereo types of the gender they transitioned to. In this context it may be well to remember that some time ago blue was the colour for little girls and.pink was for boys.
I'd consider myself a "punk" and dyed my hair pink a few months ago and all of a sudden ppl started asking me what my pronouns were.
there's only such thing if you dive fully into it, and the only people who do that are the few individuals who are transsexual and who actually experience gender dysphoria. it is a thing, but its not common at all.
Look at this. A room full of intelligent, compassionate, happy people. Rational discussion, calm. Respectful and civil. It gives one hope. Hopefully the grown ups will prevail.
Except of course the confused one at the end. That was just disturbing, heartbreaking, irrational, emotionally manipulative, immature and lacking facts.
Thank you so much for this. I agree with other commenters, this is the most intelligent and respectful conversation I've seen on this issue. I also agree that in the US there is no way this would ever even be allowed, which is so shameful to admit, but that is an accurate assessment of where we are as a society
I feel bad for the last girl on the Q&A, you can hear in her voice she shakes as she says "im a man"
She wasnt listening to the presentation, she was there ready with her bias gradually growing angrier.
Indeed, I thought the exact same thing. The lack of confidence is palpable.
She is exactly the kind of young women the panel (or most of them) referred to as needing safe-guarding, and exactly the same kind of response they are used to getting: angry, guilt mongering and narcissistic.
she's completely fucked in the head if being called a girl and seeing her boobs can truly drive her to suicide. She's the living proof that this is a gigantic problem
Look at me , look at me ,I am non binary, look at me , LOOK AT ME !!!!
I'm so happy to know that my two daughters 26 + 19 think this is all insane, I must have done something right, and my youngest daughter has always and still does love football, she loved climbing trees and getting muddy out the back, my older daughter loved dolls and prams and pink things but both of them are very feminine, both hetrosexual, not that I'd have cared either way. I feel sorry for parents who have kids who are easily led into this insanity.
And good for you, many people would take that as a sign of a "trans" kid.
I am a trans woman, I would dress as a girl when I was a child but my parents didn't push me to be anything and let me live my life.
I transitioned (thank God) until I was 29 because I couldn't keep living with dysphoria, however having manly or girly activities don't make you trans.
@@AdrictaTDT-Twitchmy mom talks all the time about how I would put bows and hair ties in my hair, wore her heels and played with my sister's dolls and Barbie toys. I was even upset that she had better toys than me, at times. Interestingly, I never thought I was gay or a girl and I grew up to be a burly man who likes man things. Served in the Marines because it interested me and everything.
It's very scary to me that if I'd have been born 14 years ago, I would be taking some drug that blocks puberty or worse, and may have eventually been conditioned to think that I should have had surgery done.
I'm sure that trans-ness is real and probably a lot more rare than we see today, but I'm glad that more people realize that than just me. Until I saw this video, I thought I was going crazy.
That's a very smug way of thinking. I did everything "right" with my daughter, and she still went through a time where she was Trans. She's now married to a man, and we haven't talked at length about what influenced her, but I'm 100% sure it was social media.
I must’ve seen a thousand comments like this now, and 95/100 times the example given is a tomboyish girl. And everyone is always happy to talk about how a tomboy should pursue what she wants. The comment is almost never something like “my boy turned out to be a girlish pansy so I let him do what he wants and he’s fine that way.” People hate effeminate boys and men, whether they’re gay or trans or whatever a hundred times more than anyone gives a shit about tomboys or butch lesbians or trans men.
People love saying how they let their daughter play football and ride dirt bikes. Nobody ever wants to admit or even consider letting their boys do makeup or other girly things.
Great job mama!
I really hope the tide is turning at last. The trans pushing of kids has been an absolute disgrace.
To feel validated means so much. To validate myself by watching this video- and hearing things that sound like reality when I feel I’ve been force fed nonsense and pretend for so long. Wow. I’m taking this quote with me, “I can listen but I cannot affirm.” Powerful.
Great video and great discussion. We should all respect one another.
Fantastic discussion. One of the best I've seen. More of this please!
the guy calling himself trans just looks like a bass player in a metal band. Idk what he thinks makes him different from a guy with long hair. ?? Im glad hes talking and whatnot. But what is it im supposed to see here?
Steve Harris is miles better looking.
run to the hills...... ! run for your lives.....!
@@massiveinmyunderpants yes he is a fox
If a rock band member was also an AGP, then you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. He’s creepy AF
And the American girl calling herself a man was strange.
She looked , dressed and sounded like the girl she is.
i will tell you how to stop gender conformity. Stop calling it gender-nonconformity. I grew up in the 80s. On my 17th birthday my boyfriend let me change the gearbox in his spitfire. I wore my dads clothes. I rode a motorbike. i was also very girly. My mother did much wrong, but one thing she did right was teaching me how to wire a plug....put up shelves.....do things for MYSELF.
Such a rarity to come across a REAL discussion of gender, sex and non-conformity!
My main impressions afterwards are centered around the importance of boundaries. I am so deeply grateful to the responsible adults on the panel who so firmly set down what they were willing to entertain and what was not to be tolerated.
Several of the younger audience members came across as perfect examples of the effects of making all kinds of teenage issues political hot potatoes and the strong trend towards outright bullying in order to force people to walk on eggshells around people that are obviously not able to even take responsibility for themselves, never mind be treated like leaders. If everything is on the table and you are expected to be able to guilt any adult into any permission, children are left sailing on oceans in darkness without lighthouses or even maps, and that is just bad parenting!
In fairness, indoctrination at school, social media and online grooming have compelled many youth to come out as “trans”. The parents are in a difficult position, being told that their children will unalive themselves if they’re not allowed to transition.
The education system and medical profession are failing these children.
One thing the parents can and should do, is monitor what their children are doing online.
@@justmemimi7338less privacy for your kids isn't the answer. Better to build a relationship where they feel comfortable bringing these topics to you willingly.
Also, gender forms by like 2-3 years old in most kids. All you have to do is talk to your infants about their bits, show then your bits, point out how you and their daddy have different bits, ask them if they think it matters, and then tell them the ways in which it does. My 3.5 year old knows she is in a female body which can grow children and her brother is not.
This is not rocket science. Talk to your children like they are human people. Do not fear the trans identity. Respect it. Then, they will not internalize your fear as confusion and wind up going towards others when they inevitably have questions. Instead, they will feel safe coming to.
You don't have to believe a person truly is the opposite sex after transitioning to respect their choices and use the pronouns that match their presentation or at least the singular "they". Basic respect for an adult's life choices will ensure your kids know they can come to you with their own confusion, and you will genuinely help them with it. If you are afraid, instead they will know it will hurt you to bring it up, or be afraid of you themselves, and they'll go online or to peers instead.
Good parenting doesn't require an invasion of privacy. Kids need privacy. Be better than that.
I appreciate katie talking logically. Good to see a trans person that is curious about what makes them trans.
too bad for each katie there's 100.000 "that last commenter" XD
is he though? he said mutilating himself is what "cured" him; he doesn't say it directly, but the implication is that children should to the same
@@radubradu well maybe I didn't catch that part... at least he isn't completely brain washed and has the ability to have a conversation
@@sweetizzy123i didn’t hear that, either. Katie reminds me greatly of Marcus Dibley - a young trans man who should be lifted up in my opinion. Instead, he’s been silenced and called “Truscum”, a term which cracks me up because, by designating someone that, you’re acknowledging that they’re speaking the truth.
What Katie said is that surgery did not make her a woman, but it cured her gender dysphoria. She presents as female, but also says she is a man with a mental health disorder called gender dysphoria which made living in a male body feel like such torture that she elected to change the outside of her body to appear as a female. And just as an adult can choose to get breast implants, an adult can choose to change their bodies in other ways.
It’s great to listen to a mature non hysterical discussion.
😂 do u know where that word comes from? Lol
Holy crow, I love this whole entire room full of words and generous sharing!!! 💛💛💛💛 Wildly grateful for this panel and conversation.
I appreciate the fact that Katy participated in this discussion so freely. Obviously Katy would disagree on some points with most of the panelists, but everyone behaved decently.
The last audience speaker , Michael, said he would have killed himself if he couldn’t bind his breasts and get testosterone. Folks are being told this, and indeed it may be true in some few cases. But I think most people can wait until adulthood for medical and surgical interventions, if they still want those interventions.
All the evidence suggests that this suicide claim is not true. What these girls may have (as the evidence starts building) is evidently low self esteem, a fear of being sexualised (possibly triggered by the porn satuated world they now find themselves possibly sexual assault), some have co morbid conditions such as PCOS, anorexia, autism, lots of researchers and commenators are now saying that for many it's another form of self harm like cutting or anorexia. I've heard some therapists say dysphoria in girls is just a different form of dysmorphia (anorexia/bulimia).
They can, it's really painful but they can I waited until I was 29 y/o and believe me I did everything to push it away, however that was the right thing to do. Thank God TikTok wasn't a thing at that time.
I don't regret my transition but transitioning isn't for people under 25 (in my opinion)
@@AdrictaTDT-Twitch I agree. There's a reason car insurance is higher for 18-25 year olds. Impulsiveness paired with freedom can be disastrous.
Great session. James Esses’ intro piece summarises the situation tremendously well.
How does this channel not have more views?!
Never underestimate the impact of gullibility, stupidity and attention-seeking at any cost !!
You said it Austin. And attention seeking is the main one.
You know we're talking about children right?
@@moneenerd children attention seek. thats what they do. its not a bad thing, its just what it is. it may be annoying, but once you realize that thats what it is, you can begin to understand them better.
@@noelle7786 for sure but would you call your children stupid? Kind of unfair.
@@moneenerd children can be particularly ‘stupid’. What’s even more ‘stupid’ & ‘unfair’ is the notion that legislation in some parts of the US enables a child to seek ‘gender-affirming’ irreversible life-changing medical treatment in the form of pubity blockers, without their parents even being informed. Unfortunately, there are many children that are ‘stupid’ enough to exercise this right without seeking any form of adult guidance or support, only to realise in the years ahead that they have made a particularly ‘stupid’ decision. Adults who choose to ignore this reality, because they don’t want to be seen to be ‘kind of unfair’ towards their children, demonstrate a truly remarkable lack of adult judgement and responsibility.
Katie is THE first Trans person I’ve ever heard talk sense! Go Katie 💪
So awesome to hear a debate such as this. I’m so concerned about what my grandchildren are being exposed to at school and elsewhere. It’s obvious to me that the potential profits to powerful corporations are a real threat to societies where these Corps decide to market their products.
I remember at high school two female class mates who were best friends. They always hung out, would often wear the same outfits etc.... One of them had broken her arm and arrived at school with her arm in a sling. And you guessed it, the following day her friend had an arm in a sling as well.
That explains everything
I had a very close best friend in my teenage years. We are still friends today 60 years later. We were constantly in contact in those days but were very interested in boys. Both happily married now with children. But at the age of 8 to 12, I was a tomboy and if I had been exposed to the intense advertising and fashion of today, I could easily have been seduced into transitioning. Particularly since 'pashing' or hero-worshipping an older girl at school has always been fairly common That is what worries me today.
@@patriciastapleton2625 I think that part of the psychological assessment that people have to have re. Transitioning must include exploration of why..... Is it coming from within / intrinsic vs a child potentially heavily influenced and something that could be seen as a phase. This is the same for assisted suicide which is controversial which i also support. Assessment as to cause and Influences, Checks and balances etc.
@@patriciastapleton2625 I went to a London boys' school in the late 80s, early 90s. Whilst any hint of homosexuality was a massive social taboo within that environment, it didn't stop one having, very secret, and very private crushes.
If that would happen today, could one be convinced that the feelings were genuine, and not just a result of the pressure cooker of teenage hormones coupled with no permissible outlet? I think so.
@Three Thrushes I couldn't have put it better myself. There are degrees of everything in nature and an individual must be given ample time to mature into adulthood. Any medical interference with this is wrong. Teenagers are far too easily influenced regarding anything sexual one way or the other. Sometimes in spite of not wanting to be.
One of the most fundamental and constructive discussions on the topic I' seen so far. Thanx!
Thanks for this it's a much needed conversation particularly in the school environment.
People may make the case that the steep increase in teenage transgenders is not as important as it seems. Sure there are thousands, maybe even tens of thousands, of teenagers inflicting permanent damage unto themselves, but that is relatively small in comparison to our other problems.
I will say this, the popularity of the transgender movement is another victory of the post modernists. It is not a victory in a physical battle space, or economically, or even in politics, but it is an victory of ideas. The idea that gender is arbitrary and a social construct is becoming more common than uncommon. They are trying to split the thin ice we stand upon and send us into the ice-cold waters of chaos. To destroy our sense of what is real and sacred.
Who knows what dark places we will wander into when we have been blinded by moral relativism.
This comment sums up the whole agenda.
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Awesome job panel! I learned so much today. 👏🏽
I am sorry but saying you are assigned at birth really winds me up. So agree with Claire Fox saying that she has the right to say what she wants without being silenced and so glad the panel came back at the american person trying to make them feel guilty.
Not "assigned" at birth... OBSERVED at birth!
@@babybearsporridge kind of both for an admittedly rare few of us. Took medics 2 hours to make up their minds about my sex at birth. Observed and recorded sex is important. Assigned is fair language for some medical variations but I still hold (rarely for a trans person) that sex at birth is your biological sex and transition is bodily form but does not change sex, only gender and secondary sex characteristics. Sex is immutable, gender is expressible in many ways, bodies can be sculpted to be different. But it can be important to maintain the record of birth sex for medical care throughout life. A trans man can still have female ObGyn conditions and a trans woman can still have prostate cancer so birth sex remains important.
@@KatyJonWent you are clearly a man. Stay out of women's spaces. You frighten and alarm women and girls.
@@KatyJonWent Is that really you? how come you only have 36 subscribers? XD I would've thought you'd have a large following
I’m from Burnley, living in America, where this kind of chat can’t occur. I’ve been following the topic closely as I have a little girl. Great to hear a bunch of northerners having a proper chat about it.
The girl a 1:27:00 sat their this whole time and thought, "how dare they not think of my feelings?"
50:00 this is an example of the problem. What she failed to disclose in her argument was, "I was not going to accept my mother's position on the issue until I had convinced her that my position was the correct one." That is the problem. There is zero debate. Their perspective is the only perspective, any other thought is the wrong thought.
Tumblr taught me to be anorexic. I also at the time came across an in person companion with the same pathology. My parents had to send me to a program to recover for a semester from college. So thankful there was no permanent damage that I know of.
not even tumblr, society's diet culture in the west taught me to be anorexic, seemingly unintentionally. i almost died because of common advice. i think the internet and social media and people just believing random things they see and hear as scientific facts, which tend to be teenagers, is so dangerous for a maturing mind. so dangerous. i almost died.
I just learned about tumblr, and it made me thankful for my tetris addiction. I have been over here replaying the same puzzle game for 30 years while my friends got converted into all sorts of things through the kawaii porn website I didn't even know was a thing!
@@noelle7786diet culture is normal. It isn't western or American, yet only westerners were suffers after the 70s. It is 100% things similar to Tumblr that caused it, and even the term "diet culture" is a Tumblr term.
@@noelle7786 that can also be applied to “diet culture”. people believing random things about diet and health and causing them to basically destroy their health. Same thing with the fat acceptance movement
Quite possibly the best debate on the issue that I have found. It's rare to find someone to represent the other site, and even rarer for them to be so well rounded psychologically. Massive kudos to Katy for participating in this debate, I hope the consequences are not too overwhelming for her.
Thank you for your positive points and kind consideration.
Absolutely fascinating and thank you. As a gen x’er this explosion of trans/binary/gender and everything in between really hurts my brain but if I dare to ask for an explanation or try to have a discussion to better understand it 😮 oh my goodness then I’m sorry I tried. I am definitely a women, I’ve had 3 children, I loved being a housewife/home-bird fluffing up the nest and mostly simply gush with pride as my children have grown up and out the nest to live the lives they have chosen for themselves, but as a child I climbed trees with the boys, played cowboys and Indians and wouldn’t be seen dead in a dress so it definitely terrifies me to think what would have happened had I been a child of today. Again thank you to the panel you were all clear with your individual areas and approach to the questions asked of you. 👏👏👏👏👏
I am so thankful that my children are now all adults.
Omg dear…you are not a man. You have my sympathy. You are so young and don’t realize how I’ll conceived this idea is.
27:57 the point being made here is so profound, and although it’s the against debater making it I think it actually proves the social contagion part. All those bad things going up can be linked to social media and peer pressue in young people. Social media has been proven to be highly toxic and manipulating, and if you have this gender non conforming stuff constantly all over it it’s obviously going to confuse people even more. The only solution to this is in my opinion to make it more stringent to truly become a different gender. You should have to live as that identity for 2/3 years, have to get a doctor to back you up that you are genuinely trans, and we have to address this stuff happening in schools where they are too scared to challenge it all so instead just affirm new identities too. Additionally we need to ban sites like Tiktok and really regulate other social media sites too for this stuff to ensure people are getting facts and evidence and not just being brainwashed by ideological propaganda
Peer group pressure is one of the most influential factors in teen culture, many teens want to rebel,challenging norms , what greater rebellion than changing your sex ? Most Teens also don't think through issues logically, they are often driven by emotions and trends and are driven to take risks. Also this issue is constantly in the news and the possibility of transitioning is now available, all possible reasons , this is a complex issue with no single answer.
Great talk overall! Lot's intersting aspects!
I'm hearing now of many young people who as teens had decided that they were trans but now as young adults have realised that they are not trans and never were. Now consider the damage if they had been able to get access to hormonal therapy & or surgery.
95% of trans people who transition don’t regret their decision. The largest cause for detransition is lack of social support and acceptance. Do your research.
It’s one thing to blame the parents but has he ever tried living with a teenager who just won’t be told? They mostly opt to go with whatever outside influences are currently trending.
I don't have children, but I was like this as a teenager. I'm Gen X so we knew nothing about trans issues. I rebelled religiously. I was certain that I was a witch/wiccan. I believed it to be such an integral part of my identity and would listen to nothing my parents had to say on it. Luckily, it didn't do lasting harm, but growing up and realizing that I could be so wrong about something I was so sure of at the time was a critical moment in my maturity, as I hope it is for all people. Unfortunately today, you have adults not only affirming teenage delusions but helping kids make irreversible changes to their bodies. I think it would be truly terrifying to be a mother or father of a teen and I wish you and your family the best.
@@7ennifer How did you realize you were wrong about it?
@@user-dw8ht9ge5l Because it's narcissistic nonsense?
@@7ennifer Yes, at least in the past, even with all the toxic cultural influences around them, teenage rebellion wasn't being encouraged and enabled by all the adults parents are supposed trust to keep their kids safe.
I love wicca, I don't think it's narcissistic, it's about respecting nature, celebrating it and feeling part of it .
Just one observation from a DJ: Every person on that panel came to the mic and talked about the trans issue in regards to society, schools and educational systems, government, etc. etc. The only 'trans'person on there just talked about himself, his story, his truth...just an observation.
i think that was kind of the point though.
@@anynimus1617 it really reinforces how much narcissism is involved in the matter
Sick people obviously obsess about themselves
Or it just enforces that when discussing a topic about a group of people it's important to have a representative member of the community there to give a personal account of their existence, rather than only being discussed by people external to the community.
I don't think having a trans person, in a panel about trans people, talking about their lived reality of transitioning and growing up with feelings of dysmorphia is a negative.
Kind of seems like a necessary part of having a fair and well rounded discussion on the matter.
Katie's comment at the end that we need to learn 'to disagree better' - that's exactly what we need
I have thought for some time now that one of the critical elements of many issues today ( for all groups of people on any number of issues ) is the growing attitude 'It's my way or no way' - which instantly blocks any fruitful discussion or search for logical solutions. It has been so refreshing to listen to a panel of speakers determined NOT to be silenced on the basis of their differing opinions and views, and not polly-parrot a narrative they fundamentally do not agree with, for fear of open-aggressive opposition. The last trans FTM to speak is a typical example of this sort of 'My way' reaction, which does nothing to enable less aware folk to grasp and try to understand their position, as they instantly close down, and shy away from further dialogue...
Try working in a university my dear - it is exactly what you say
To many chemicals in everything has totally messed up the kids, social media was no mistake they knew kids would get the same hit as a gambler gets betting, tic tok is destroying the morals and ethics of kids that will do anything for clicks and views.
Wow, this is so needed! So good to hear some people haven't gone crazy like so many now.
A great mix of panel members, for me Katie came across as masculine/male. Perhaps getting their way and getting surgery and female name and all that goes with that means that Katie feels no dysphoria now but it was more to do with getting what Katie wanted. Removing oestrogen from teenage girls can be dangerous and lead to dementia and osteoporosis amongst other things. Giving oestrogen to males can produce breasts and no facial hair but with no cervix or womb it has no other place to go. I think one day babies will be born out of the female womb and in a machine but at present males cannot have periods or give birth. The woman who spoke with energy about it being a done deal and law suits followed by panel member saying she was not going to be defeatist was a disappointing patronising response. Then the woman annoyed that she could not find action toys for her girls!!! Fgs I loved playing with my lovely dolls and pram on Christmas day. I also played with my big brother's garage, his toy cars and train set. No drama just pleasure. stopping discussion when gender dysphoria v gender mutilation was mentioned she silenced the speaker. The youngster who said he was a man not the female he was born!!! Said he would be dead without safeguarding. Sounds to me like he still has issues and it may be a general mental health problem that removing oestrogen and binding breast could also kill him in time. I think he thinks all children are the same like him. He felt dehumanised when others shared their opinion is worrying as to his being still mentally unwell and that unlike Katie he needs all to respect and agree with his views but he will not accept theirs.
I know this is only anecdotal but a very close friend of mine (who had life-long issues with depression, compulsive behavior, and self-esteem) surprised us a few years ago by announcing that he was actually a woman and therefore was getting gender reassignment surgery. He got the surgery and the hormone therapy and other stuff and has been in and out of hospitals ever since with one related problem or another, is more depressed and insecure than ever, and never talks about anything other than transexualism, its many difficulties, his new (now not so new) girl parts, and his constant health issues. It's sad and scary and I've really worried about him , but now I find the whole thing too exhausting to even think about and we haven't spoken in over year.
Really sad and a good illustration of what can happen when one goes down this path... I think it is unfair for docs to operate on people who may be delusional as to the limitations ops and meds can have; I cannot see that a person can fully change over ... maybe the technology will be there one day but that would be a frightening prospect.
Very sad. It seems hard to know who it will benefit and who it will harm. There must be a way to diagnose people for this… I sure hope they find a way
Please note, as a few have mentioned this, NO QUESTIONS OR POINTS WHATSOEVER from the audience have been edited out. These panel discussions had a limited time slot of 90mins and this one already ran over curtailing the next session, so speakers were only able to respond to a few points or questions. This is why the Battle of Ideas Festival is so good because it does give the audience so much time to speak up. May be see you at the 2023 festival this October in London, we'll be the volunteers behind the film cameras!
There WERE adults in the room in places like tumbler and that's one of the problems. There are groomers or MAP's (to use a term that won't attract censorship) there guiding some of it, because they WANT no safeguarding for girls and women & reduced boundaries in society in general. So many feel it's an area that's off limits to them, which allows these men access to young people who are not being protected by adults with any authority at all. This is why adults with experience of gender disphoria - whether detrans, trans, gay, autistic or whatever MUST stop the politicisation of this issue. There's a desperate need for proper therapy, full non-ideologically bent information at the disposal of a consenting adult, before any medicalisation of the patient commences.
If you think those groomers are exclusive for women and girls then man oh man do I have some news for you.v
This panel was absolutely brilliant, I wish there were more open discussions like this.
Can you please read Transgender Industrial Complex by Scott Howard for a better understanding of this. Antelope Hill Publishing carries the book. The transgender phenomena isn’t a sporadic natural phenomena. It’s a top down phenomena by interested parties and it’s backed by a ton of money and social programming. If you eliminated the bad actors. This stuff would go up in a puff of smoke. Seriously, even the tiniest bit of digging into this you will find dozens of NGO’s in every country backed by boatloads of money that push this agenda all over the West. And there’s funding of lawsuits all the time to make this fight a political and society changing one. It is an ideological attack by our ruling elites who quite honestly hate us. And no, our ruling elites aren’t the traditional WASP’s of times past.
We no longer have butch lesbians
100%. We must keep looking for and keep speaking the truth. And make "bullying" great again. It's not ok for people to become this antisocial, and a fair amount of peer pressure absolutely made people stronger, now everything offends except the bad and toxic antisocial behavior.
great summary and thanks for the recommend!
Pritzker family is a huge backer. John Stryker - heir to the Stryker Medical fortune - is another. Martine Rothblat of United Therapeutics Corporation is another.
You bet it's top-down. Big power and big money.
I've been wondering about the reasons for 'capture' of institutions for years and the profit motive is often left out by the best, most eloquent critics of TGI. The social contagion and cancel culture is real but I think the cash cornucopia from consultation, pills and surgery is the driver . Jennifer Bilek at 11th hour has the stats.
1:32:46 “What I say is it is fundamentally inconsistent to tell children that the way to _”be yourself”_ is by fundamentally changing yourself.”
I've been struggling with gender dysphoria since I was 4 and it wasn't something common, in fact I don't have one single trans friend that I've met in person and suddenly a whole group at a school are trans, what are the odds? I didn't know it was gender dysphoria. When I was able to kinda know what I had I didn't think of transitioning at 14 it's not that I didn't want to it's that I was really confused or to "know" that I was trans. Thank God TikTok nor social media had all these strong beliefs, I'm 29 and I'm transitioning but it's a decision I'm making in my adulthood with a lot of introspection. And I am glad I didn't do it when I was even younger and believe me, being trans isn't a nice not easy path. It hurts and no one with sanity would want to have gender dysphoria, it's not a trend even though is taken as one.
I would encourage you to find credible information from 1st-hand de-transitioners (not from those pretending -- the internet is full of fakes & pretenders). Contact famous publicly-known de-transitioners if you can (best to do so by email, never by social media - because it's more difficult to get fooled using text-only communications). Many legitimate de-transitioners are very willing to help someone considering this irreversible decision. You must know the very serious negatives (you already know the positives).
Also, your belief that "it's not a trend" isn't rooted in science or data. Strong indications are that this is affected by social contagion, since facts/evidence shows that in many schools up to 50% of students are "trans" at the same time -- yet then, oddly, the next year (or in a few years) the percentage greatly decreases (to 20% or less). Also odd is that the percentage of trans people in the U.S. is around 1% yet in schools it's always above 10% -- this is another red flag suggesting that strange forces (contagion, other factors) are at play. All of these anomalies in proportion/quantity are unnatural, and so these many things all strongly suggest it is driven by social contagion (which is not the same as a "trend" - your use of that word shows you're conflating things).
No sane person would attempt to “transition”, because it isn’t possible.
@@therightarmofthefreeworld4703 got it doctor, thanks for a diagnosis no one asked for
@@therightarmofthefreeworld4703 I've been living as a trans woman for over `14 years, since I was around 16 years old. Most people do not know passing me by. It is very possible. And absolutely nothing you can do about it. We've been here for a long time, you can find documentation of us in media even as far back as 1969 with Crystal Labeija. Lou Reed's song "Walk on the Wild Side" was about his relationship with Candy Darling, a transsexual who was part of Andy Warhol's entourage. We've been here. We will continue to be here. Whether we need to hide or be visible, we will be here. And you will do nothing about it. Surely you have much better things to do with your lives? or is it that empty to be you?
@bnsyphotography2104 thank fot that excellent argument and sharing the absolute truth
I hope that what we'll keep from this will be the freedom to wear whatever the heck we want. But that it will be limited to clothing and accessories, and we'll learn to accept our bodies and be thankful if we've been blessed with a healthy one.
Kids shouldn't transitioning, I am an adult with gender dysphoria why would I not have the option to aliviate the pain?
And no, accepting the body you have is not the cure
@@AdrictaTDT-Twitch Acceptance of reality is the answer to many psychological problems we face as humans, why gender dysphoria should be treated differently? Especially when it's physically not possible to change sex? When making the changes carries enormous risks of further health problems? When there's no real evidence that the changes do in fact alleviate gender dysphoria? I wish you all the best, especially treatment that truly heals and not creates more suffering in the future.
@@frusia123 I completly agree, that's why it's s an adult decision, I tried everything to cope with it and to live "accepting" my body however I just couldn't do it and maybe one that someone will find the right answer to it and people like me won't suffer from that horrible condition, however in my personal experience it did alleviate the pain so I only speak based in my own experience not everyone.
@@AdrictaTDT-Twitch If it helped you, then I'm very happy for you. Perhaps you're right, adults should be able to do what's best for them, I hope that there will be a lot more research done, by honest and genuine scientists, so that people with your condition have access to the best possible treatment. PS. I also have a passion for languages 🙂 May I ask what languages do you speak/study?
@@frusia123 completly in agreement and overall that human beings like you can coexist with humans being like me to talk and thrive to a better future. Generally people try to make their own assumptions like the absolute truth and that's actually insane.
And of course! In Mexican so I speak Spanish, been studying English for ten years now, french for 9 years and Russian for 1 year, what about you?
Good chat. Such a shame it couldn't be longer...