Why Religion Corrupts our sense of Morality
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- Опубліковано 12 лют 2024
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"Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right."
Great response!! That was SPOT ON!! I am stealing your quote and claiming it as my own. 😉
Most true quote ever
Is that what you are going to say
when you stand in front of your creator? I hope you know the truth before you do!
@@StephenGrover-zc4hp aww, care to prove that your creator even exists?
@@StephenGrover-zc4hp HOW did you determine that I was _created?_
Never trust a preacher who tells you how to vote or a politician who tells you who to pray to.
Just because you are against religion does not make you liberal. You can still be fiscally conservative where copyright law is just as bad as sharia law. All restrictions are dictatorship and tyranny like a traffic light for example.
They're all shady characters.
The only person to ever trust is yourself.
@@garylovell6017 not really. If we ourselves decide it's okay to do whatever we want we'd be going to kill ourselves from the lack of knowledge of discipline that hadn't been adhered to us.
@@dimensionninja4929 You only speak for yourself little one.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply to painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."-Carl Sagan.
To a religious person: *Harmless things become bad if god says he doesn't like it and what's worse is that harmful things become moral and even good if god tells you to do it*
I'm religious and his arguments are good. I do have an answer to each one of them though so I'm not troubled.
That's what worries me. Thankfully, you've kept your answers to yourself.
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@@neonji_7460Would love to hear them, if that's ok.
@@sids5002 The slavery part I can explain slavery and indentured servitude are two different things
Harmless things are harmless until they cause harm, as perceived. Harmful things cause harm unless it is perceived as good. Is that so bad? What changes our perception can be labeled as God, or not... You chose... Put the blame on yourself or this God fellow... Your choice. Ether way the problem existed long before it became problematic for you. And yes.... God was indeed still part of the equation. He will always be. Long after you are gone he will take the blame for our uncertainty. This is a certainty.😊 just smile as you go under.
So nice to be with a reasonable bunch of people. It's rare these days.
I've been traumatized for 40 years by this stuff. Glad to be here.
we r here:))
@@MaxHardenyay
What do you mean by reasonable
@@MaxHardenSame thing for me especially the woman's in middle east too
To quote Frank Turek, “What is the basis for morality?” How can I trust my own morality because I am a horrible person ?
Having the judgement to negate one's own judgement is an oxymoron.
Sounds like you think your scripture deems you a "horrible person". Then your scripture tells you how to resolve it and how to be subservient. Then your scripture threatens you with what may happen if you're not subservient enough.
Take a step back and think about what you could do without scripture.
You are a good person.
There.......nothing else needed. Certainly not scripture anyway.
@@bobs182so if I chose to listen to my dad’s advice or rulings if you will versus my own, that would be oxymoronic? If I listened to Newton’s thoughts or judgments on gravity am I negating my own thoughts? I have never seen two hydrogen molecules collide with an oxygen molecule to make water…. Am I wrong to listen to the words of scientists or should I just form my own judgement?
@@sids5002dude….. I deem myself a horrible person - it’s that simple. With scripture or without scripture I am still a horrible person.
@@vincentvolker27 Sorry to hear that.
I used to go to Bible study almost everyday and they would always say if I didn’t understand something that it was because I was “unwilling” because “god is not the author of confusion.” I mean…there are hundreds of different denominations based on different interpretations of the Bible that was allegedly written by god via divine inspiration. He’s LITERALLY the author of confusion! Lol. It used to blow my mind every time they said that to me.
I'm sorry your questions were met with accusations. God's ways are higher than our ways (just like a parent who teaches their child, even though the child doesn't quite understand yet why certain things need to be done a certain way (like wearing a seatbelt, brushing your teeth, eating healthy food, etc) so some things may be confusing to us now before we delve deeper to gain more understanding. The double edge sword with the free/will agency that we are blessed to have is that people will choose to not seek the spirit's confirmation on certain truths or will make an interpretation before they better understand context, other references in scripture, etc. That's what leads to confusion. If I may ask, what are the things you didn't understand? Maybe I can help.
You're not "unwilling" you just lack wisdom and have followed a confusing religion
The other excuse (used in a comment in response to you) is that we simply cannot understand God's ways. So if something in the Bible is insane, cruel or stupid, we simply are too dim witted to understand it. There is, for example, no logical reason to be against gay people. But since the Bible bronze age tribal authors were against it, Christians are still against it. They just pound their Bible but can't honestly give any logical 21st century reason for their condemnation. They equate GOD to the BIBLE and just mindlessly follow it. The entire religion is based on scoring points for mindless FAITH. Questions are considered temptations of Satan.
💯🎯exactly! The Buybull makes no sense. I used to try to defend christianity...just to myself. The mental gymnastics of making excuses for that god who is an abusive narcissist... good grief! I'm so glad so many of us got out. I got free from religion and found peace for the first time in my life. 💖🦋
That biblical brain buster of a book was not written by God, it was designed by many human individuals that were on the right track but derailed when they began designing it to better their narratives. Every caricature in the Bible, don't look at them so much as persons but more personalities of this God or Yahweh or I am. However you look at that biblical bs.
There is a moral maxim "if you are aware of abuse and do nothing about it you are complicit with that abuse." I think most people of good will would agree with this. Don't you? In light of that moral maxim this god of Abraham-- worshiped by the Jews, Christians and Muslims-- is horrendously immoral. This god is said to be all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresent. So, he literally watches children being abused and tortured-- even by his own priests, pastors, rabbis and imams-- and does absolutely nothing. In light of that why would one expect any better from those who worship such a god? As social creatures we are hard-wired to feel empathy, and are inclined towards altruism and compassion. That is the foundation of moral-ethical thinking and development. Nothing supernatural or metaphysical needed. To not feel empathy is a significant pathology-- a sociopath.
I wonder how many, upon witnessing a murder would just turn up the volume on their TV?
“Religion Poisons Everything” - Christopher Hitchens
So if bad things happen to good people regardless of Gods existence than why is that? If God had nothing to do with it than people are the cause of their own suffering and it is not religions fault.
Take for example someone gaining an STD, that would be their own fault. And because of this how can religion be the cause of all bad things if the only reason evil happens to you is because you allow it to happen.
“Religion Poisons Everything” - Christopher Hitchens - Atheism made Christopher Hitchens a drunk ?
Being ignorant about suffering of others is the main cause of evil, because evil entities do not experience consequences of their actions.
Reality is a vast, endless canvas in which to create, explore, discover, learn and seek. We create with our experiences. Religion, in contrast, is like a paint by number coloring book. Don’t think, don’t question, just stay inside the lines. Embarrassing.
Have you questioned if you were actually right in being an atheist?
@@SecretPersonCommentand are you sure that Christianity is the only true religion in existence?
@@SCIENTIST-X did I say that?
@@SecretPersonComment you didn't but I guessed it from your profile picture
@@SCIENTIST-X it isn't obvious but there is a Menorah incorporated into the Cross.
I was told on several occasions while in a Christian church to stop thinking. To just believe in 'Gods' word and stop asking questions. Jim Jones came to mind. Something evil men and women would ask of me, to stop thinking for myself. Now if Satan was real. (Satan is not) that is exactly what he/she would say to me. Stop thinking and do my bidding. It's when I chose to think for myself, did I evict Christianity from my life. The best 37 years of my life. I won't get fooled again by these manmade religions!
"We won't get fooled again." The Who
@@bobblowhard8823
Yup, that too.
It's too bad that someone told you that, It's quite likely that they wanted you to believe their word, not God;s Word. The Bible encourages asking questions.
@@user-ee4ft7ff1u Except the whole idea that a guy died for your sins and was also god because not believing gets you sent to hell.
@user-ee4ft7ff1u
That's the problem with Christianity. 40,0000 sects and one never know who or what they up against. Don't trust Christianity any longer. To severely divided.
This is the only life we get. Have a good one.
That’s sad, not so wonderful truth…why would you want to believe that you only have one life?
@@aheartonfire7191 because that is all we have. Make the best of the time you have.
@@aheartonfire7191 each moment is precious. Its a beautiful world enjoy!
Those who have had an NDE (Near Death Experience) maintain that this statement is false.
@@CrustyCrip debunked
What corrupts morality is not the religion, it's when the dogma of any kind (religious, scientific, ...) prevails over common sense and humanity.
"Be good for goodness sake." I think there's even a Christmas song about that...
"Santa Claus is Coming to Town". Believing in a god is like believing in Santa Claus. I'll take Santa, thank you.
Christmas was adopted by Christianity from Pagan beliefs. Research Santi clause from a Pagan perspective.. you won't want your kids sitting on Santa's lap ever again.
there is no real "good" its all opinion
@@supermanandbatmanishere This prescription pill might be "good" for me, but toxic for you. This song might sound "good" to me but sound horrible to you. etc.
At least Santa Claus and God have one thing in common, they both give gifts, whether you believe it or not.
Religion is a personal affair. We are living in a world of opinions. Nobody has come back to tell us what we believe in is correct.
Well, allegedly there was this one time... But the uh, 'records' of that incident are a bit untrustworthy.
Religion should be personal; a hobby you follow, but unfortunately far too many people want to legislate their religion on me and others. They make it public and they make legislation based on it.
@@mistersmith2549 Untrustworthy? Bible scholar Wilbur Smith explains, “When he said He would rise again from the dead, the third day after He was crucified, He said something that only a fool would dare say if He expected the devotion of any disciples - unless He was sure He was going to rise.”
“Shortly after Jesus was executed, his followers were suddenly galvanized from a baffled and cowering group into people whose message about a living Jesus and a coming kingdom, preached at the risk of their lives, eventually changed an empire. Something happened … ”
Both Jewish and Roman contemporary history confirm the following facts supporting Jesus’ death: All the accounts affirm he died, Pilate verified he died, during the lifetime of the eyewitnesses no one disputes his death, secular and contemporary historians, Lucian, Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius etc. cite his death as factual.
Jesus was truly dead, a fact almost universally accepted as true by trusted scholars and historians. That Jesus Christ died on the cross, in the full physical sense of the term is one of the certainties of history. His resurrection is confirmed by many logical indicia.
Romans had assigned guards to watch the tomb 24 hours a day. This was a trained guard unit comprised of four to 16 soldiers. Josh McDowell notes, “The Roman Guard unit was committed to discipline and they feared failure in any way.” It would have been impossible for anyone to have slipped by the guards unnoticed and then move the stone. Yet the stone was rolled away, making it possible for eyewitnesses to enter the tomb. And when they did, the body of Jesus was missing.
Perhaps the disciples might have been so emotionally distraught that they hallucinated and imagined Jesus’ resurrection? Psychologist Gary Collins, former president of the American Association of Christian Counselors, explains that, “Hallucinations are individual occurrences. By their very nature, only one person can see a given hallucination at a time. They certainly aren’t something which can be seen by a group of people.” Hallucination is not even a remote possibility, according to psychologist Thomas J. Thorburn. “It is absolutely inconceivable that … five hundred persons, of average soundness of mind … should experience all kinds of sensuous impressions - visual, auditory, tactual - and that all these … experiences should rest entirely upon … hallucination.”
The hallucination theory, then, appears to be another dead end.
1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back because the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect
2) the Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs
3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move
4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone
5) stealing Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do.
6) the disciples wouldn’t have died for what they knew would be a lie (resurrection)
7) there was no money for Jesus’ followers to gain, only persecutions, torture and death when declaring His resurrection.
8) if the story was schemed, disciples wouldn't have chosen women as the first witnesses as women's testimony was not trusted in that society.
There's much much more but may this be enough here.
@@trishayamada807 And they also kill in the name of their religion.
@@garylovell6017lol, and people don’t kill for their political objectives? 😂
I think breaking free from religion could seriously benefit the world !
Yes .Lenin did it.
@@cristianpopescu78 Communism is kind of a religion though.
@@cristianpopescu78 cult of personality.
@@ANA-sh6kk Atheismus too.Thy refuse to see lot of things which doesnt fit in their theory.
See this : Exorcism: World leading Psychiatric Authority speaks out "with Richard Gallagher, a famose scientist.
Or see ,ten uncorrupted bodies of catholic saints. They are hundreds years old dead bodies, still ftesh.
Communism is extremist christianity without the the god/christ part. Basically, the thought patterns and behavior is still the same event without the religion backing it up.@@ANA-sh6kk
After losing my faith and criticizing my wife's still fervent belief in Christianity, I'm now in a divorce with three kids. The cost is immeasurable. They're moved out and I'm out of much contact. But OMG I still see the religious piety on display from relatives on FB though they have not reached out to me once in 9 months out of concern, love or respect. Not what I morally want to have any part of.
I don't think you lost anything. Think of what you have gained by not having to make decisions based on someone else's belief system or value system, or what's written in some book. My suggestion is to stay off FB and remind yourself that those opinions don't matter in the least. Remember - it's all about you now. Go and shine! Look forwards not backwards. I am speaking from experience - still going through the courts.
Nobody hates like the religious
"There's no hate like Christian love".
@@mehallica666 I’ve seen this before quote so many times and I love it
I'm sorry for your troubles.
As Hitchens very neatly put it.
" Play with your toys in your own house , do not ask me to play with them "
As simple as it gets
I find that an interesting take. I enjoy Christmas carols. Not just frosty, Rudolph or the twelve days of Christmas. To be politically correct, can't do the "religious" versions. I've had multiple discussions with atheists about why my right to listen to these songs, while I'm out during the holidays, can't happen because the atheist is offended by them. But it's okay to offend me by denying me my right to listen to them. To me that's your atheism being forced on me outside of the home. Hence, why I think political correctness is a joke.
@@no-be3zv I'm not offended. I just find the logic flawed. Christopher Hitchens says, leave your beliefs at home. Obviously he means religious beliefs. But it's okay to force atheistic systems on religious people. Seems like a double standard to me.
There is no neutral ground that I can think of.
Religion poisons everything said Christopher Hitchens.
Brainwash too
Religious : nah ah 👉😖👈
@@mistylover7398 why my Comment was delete? lol
@@user-nu8vw1ow4n lol wha
You can’t say you study religion if you’re only studying one religion. Our belief in something greater gos way before the bronze age dude. This belief in something greater was expressed in cave paintings over 55,000 years ago.
I am Romanian, I was born from mixed heritage, of Wallachian, Transylvanian-Hungarian, Austro-Hungarian and Moldavian on my mother's side and Dobrogean Tatar on my father's side,
I was baptized on paper as a Muslim, I have eaten pork since I was 5, I drank alcohol when I was 14 and 16, beer and wine,
I have visited multiple Orthodox Churches across my country and only 2 Moqques,
I have been in a relationship and intimate with 4 Orthodox girls, 1 Catholic and 1 Jewish girl,
I used to enjoy all the holidays, Cthsitman, Bayeara, Easter, etc. it was nice because I loved my family and getting tougher,
In the last 12 years of my life, I gave up on any sort of faith and organized religion,
I started to develop the concept of Luciferianism, not a system of belief, faith and organized religion, but rather to believe that we can be better men, if not for us then for those that are yet to come if not that then for the benefits that main be gained,
If you need the promise of a reward to do good and the threat of a punishment to not do bad, congratulations, you have the morality of a Border Collie.
There is a consequence to everything you choose. What's your point?
@@jamesm_ Meaning that your motivation for doing either good or bad is not a “true” motivation under religon. Are you doing something good because you legitimately want to do it or are you doing it because of the fear of NOT doing it? You don’t think an omnipotent, omniscient God would know the difference between someone who’s doing or not doing something versus someone who’s only doing it to get a tally mark in their favor? God wouldn’t know the difference between people going to church because they genuinely believe in him versus the people in there only because they fear not going will result in them going to hell? And of course, there is the “saved and born again” issue. A serial murderer kills 100 victims before he is caught. But in prison, is “saved and born again” and now, he gets to go to heaven??? If you don’t believe that is the way the Christian morality works than I suggest you reread your Bible. That is an immoral system. There is JUSTICE which is either something is RIGHT or WRONG. The second God shows ANYBODY mercy, he’s no longer JUST, because Mercy is a suspension of justice.
The border collie is likely far more intelligent, loving, and non-spiteful than most religious people, and the boder collie won't try to push some religion down your throat or try to pass laws to curtail your freedoms and rights.
@NerdyChadWhy would I?
@NerdyChad Why would I even consider that option?
My eyes. Welling up for those who think another’s faith can bless them more than his knowledge and skills.
Like the father who took his and the lives of his family, in his hands, on faith alone, without experience and the skills of correcting the trajectory of his vehicle, when the left rear tire blew.
Killing himself, his wife, and three sons. Oct, 21, 2007.
That so pityful story
Religion is diametrically opposed to critical thought.
I beg to differ
Maybe ... That's why you should not trust religions, not even "Christianity". Trust only on Lord Jesus. He is the living God, the way, the truth and the life.
@@jounisuninenwhat the hell? Do you know what Christianity means?
Why do you think it was more powerfull than kings in the medieval times
absolutely not
Religion is doing what you’re told regardless if it’s wrong.
✝️🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖
Nope, that's not even close to what the definition is.
@@gregsanich5183 But that is a consequence of religion.
@2l84me8 Actually, that is the consequence of human interpretation with bias leaning toward blind greed.
@@realzionygo A religion open to that much interpretation is worthless to follow.
Thank you for doing this video. The world needs this kind of healing.
Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens were instrumental in m me leaving Christianity
Yes. Richard Dawkins did it for me. Great man.
For me, it was these 3 people, plus Aronra, that were instrumental to me.
I legitimately wish I could shake all of their hands as a thank you for helping me break free from the religious chains .
Also the late great DM Murdoch!
Abraham & Isac story was the reason for me.
Father tried to killed his own son.....
I hear ya. AronRa, Sam Harris, and Seth Andrews helped me realize I was free.
Religion is a habit or ritual, doing something without fail.
Faith is believing in what is not seen.
"Religion is a habit or ritual, doing something without fail." - People err when they think religions can save. Not even Christianity can save. Only Lord Jesus can save.
"Faith is believing in what is not seen." - Like believing in universal common ancestor, abiogenesis and self-constructing DNA.
@@jounisuninen Yet you can't have Lord Jesus without having Christianity. So Christianity still saves. Because if you don't have it Lord Jesus won't save you.
What about the line somewhere in the bible that says women shall not speak in church?
I asked my "born again Christian" relative about this and they said that it doesn't apply these days. Yet the very next chapter had some quote that they follow "religiously".
My next question left them stumped: "So this part applies to you and this doesn't?" (crickets chirping .. tumbleweed etc.).
There are plenty of good things in the bible - e.g. "Do unto others", but there are so many parts that are simply contradictory.
I make my own way and my own moral decisions. I enjoy helping out others in need and expect nothing in return, but I'm not getting it from some book. I'm getting it from a sense of moral decency.
The religious person is also acting on his own moral judgement, only that their judgement is heavily impaired by the intoxicating effects of self importance and sanctimony.
What is moral decency? Did you invent it? Did it spring off out of nowhere? The very basis of morals is founded on religion.
@@justusonuoha8224 Quite historically untrue. Most of the theology that formed early Christianity was decided upon by Greek and Roman philosophers. The Bible itself didn't exist until 1000 years 'after Christ.'
Good thing they don't teach history in Sunday school.
@@halcyonzenith4411 Are Christians really attempting to argue that we were all pillaging and murdering and thieving and raping before the Old (and then New) Testaments were written, but that all ceased once the Bible was published? Christians stopped pillaging and murdering and thieving and raping? What about the ancient cultures that never received the Bible or were very advanced by the time the Bible was brought to their lands? However did they get by?
@@halcyonzenith4411 This isn't a conversation about Christianity, it's a conversation about religion. Christianity is just one religion.
Science is how we learn about reality. Religion is how we justify our evils.
As an ex christian, I felt validated by his talk.
Moral of Abrahamic faith is violent 9 times out of 10. Violence is not human tendency, human wants to live in peace, he can not forget a gory killing like the carnivore beast, his mind recreates the killing again and again, he feels trapped in his mind, he can not live owing to this crisis, the repentant among us atleast. We kill and then label the man or woman a devil so as to feel irresponsible, as the dark devil can be killed without remorse. Relgion is often an murder aid. Murderer wants to feel holy as well by invoking a different god!!
In war you can kill without remorse if you can be programmed into believing that your enemy is subhuman.
This is correct. A child of 6 knows right from wrong.
no. the whole point of a guardian is they dont know anything yet.
@@conspiracy1914you are wrong. I remember my early childhood and I knew the morality being impressed upon my by my family was deeply wrong.
You are correct. Children do know right from wrong. It doesn't stop them from being selfish. They have to learn the repercussions.
@@josephbelisle5792 what were the morals that were being impressed on you?
....and how did you determine that they were objectively wrong?
LOL!
Imagine the Christian cult I was in will SHUN their own child just for not following their rules and beliefs. If this child becomes member and decides to leave he or she is DEAD to the believers family, relatives and friends😢Never can meet them unless you’ll promise to go back to their beliefs😮what’s scary is this SHUNNING is good moral to them from biblical view!
I'm a Christian, I have 2 gay sons and a daughter whose questioning her sexuality. My one son lives with me and I see my other son as often as I can. God calls me to love them and support them. They know I don't agree with their lifestyle but it's their choice and they have to answer to God in the end, not me. And I know other Christians facing the same situation, who are doing the exact same thing for their children. I resent your blanket statement, condemning all of us, when you are in accurate.
dude if you read the bible shunning your kid isn't good, i dont get your point,
It seems both of you don’t know about Jehovah’s Witnesses who says they are the Only and Only True Christian. Ask them why they have policy of Disfellowship (Shunning) members, family, relatives and friends. Ask them to show from their org videos how they are teaching shunning! Ask them from which scriptures they do this! Or better to find Ex JW shunning experiences.
do you know what there doing is not of scripter?@@lh1673
no one even clams them@@lh1673
The golden rule is all the morality one needs and that predated Christianity.
Its simple. Think of all the things you wouldn't want perpetrated against you and extend that to everyone.
The issue then becomes WHY should you follow the golden rule? What if I can do evil and not face consequences?
@@SageVaughnbecause it's universally beneficial.
If you help someone, someone will help you.
If you treat people well, people will treat you well.
The opposite is true, too.
Do *you* want evil done unto you?
Would *you* be ok if someone did evil unto you and didn't face consequences?
I agree the golden rule is good, but I heard a proposition of an even better one.
Treat others like they want to be treated.
For example, if you like meat and a vegan comes over for a visit, the best thing would be to give them some vegan options to eat. Even though you would love if someone offered you meat, they would find it insulting.
Nothing wrong with the golden rule, I just liked this one more.
@@TedLJones Thats wishful thinking to assume, It's actually not necessarily true if you help someone in turn they will want or even feel obligated to help you. People very often take advantage of others kindness to various degrees and get away with it without suffering consequences further motivating them to do it again because they benefit and suffer nothing and potentially aren't inducing serious harm on others while doing so.
@@SageVaughnWhat do you mean not face consequences? In pretty much every civilized country an evil act will land you in prison for the rest of your life. If you are a person who believes this is the only life you will ever live, that is much worse than being a person of faith and ”repenting” enjoying an eternity of happiness, as long as you are a believer you can end up in heaven and the act does not really matter.
It seems like the atheist/non believer of afterlife is the person who actually faces consequences.
Some people used to be all messed up on drugs, now they're all messed up on religion
The ones on drugs are the ones farthest from God. What's your point?
@@jamesm_ Christians are as messed up as a drug addict
@@jamesm_ I bet you, they have you believing your going to heaven, I have a waterfront property on the moon I'm sure you'd be interested in
@@jamesm_ so are evangelicals
@@castillo184 So what's your point? What's your "solution"?
The Achilles Heel of most religions, is the paradoxes they contain. For instance, a fundamentalist Christian telling you that he is a “God fearing man”. WHAT? I thought Jesus tried to tell us that God is love, so how did fear become part of that religion?
Over time when the gods El and Yahweh were syncretized. God of the Bible is actually two different gods.
If you don't fear God you are either 100% without sin or 100% abandoned. One can be considered happy if he/she has the healthy fear towards God while also loving Him.
@@jounisuninen”one can be considered happy if they have fear”
what?
@@jounisuninen "Love me or else!" smh
Dan Barker is a great man! Spent his life making this a better world by pushing back on the ignorant nightmare that is religion!
This is awesome! Don't stop making these videos. It's sad to think that in 2024, religion still has a strong hold on so many people; especially in the US. This is why I stay far away from the bible belt. 😂
Especially in the US?? Have you seen an Islamic country? Whatever you think of the horror of religion in the US, multiply what by 100 and you begin to see the horrors of Islam, the absolute worst of all religions.
Wish I could. Unfortunately, I don't have the finances to move.
@kalinora3901 Hopefully one day you can. I know atheists are not treated the best in that region.
You're just making a resaons to hate Christianity, Christians are not suppose to treat atheist badly
Atheists*
Jesus warned us of wolves sheeps clothing and God is just good and loving and even died for us on the cross for our sins and wants nobody in hell wants everyone in heaven.
Religion with its morals has done a tremendous level of damage to humans. So many human relations, in particular marriages, have been destroyed because of the corrupt sense of morality imposed by religion. Please look at the psycho-sexual effects on humans, particularly in women, because of the moral teachings on sexuality imposed by religion, as explained in the video “Private Parts and Religious Anxiety”. The logo on the left will take you there.
What is wrong with waiting until marriage to have sex? It is much healthier than taking on multiple partners, risking STDs, and being loose with your pair-bonding chemicals.
extreme atheism did worse through communism
@@user-nz8uy1zm3zNothing wrong with waiting. What is wrong is telling other people that normal human acts are a sin and making up moral standards.
There is nothing wrong with using your pair bonding chemical over and over again. The heart has the capacity to love many people. You do not own anyone so you shouldn't think of attaching to people and limiting the use of that chemical. It's redpill nonsense that says you stop being able to bond when you have safe sex or intimate moments with multiple people.
@@user-nz8uy1zm3z Nothing is wrong with waiting until marriage to have sex, if that is your preference. No one has to take on multiple partners, necessarily. Also, you can make things healthier in many different ways without risking STD. In relation to what you call “pair-bonding chemicals”, I suppose that you are talking about pheromones and similar compounds. Concerning pheromones, according to a study of the NIH in: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3987372/, their role in humans remains uncertain since adults have no functioning vomeronasal organ, which processes pheromone signals in animals. If you are referring to another type of “pair-bonding chemicals” … you have to explain those. Nevertheless, living in a modern human society with all the chemicals that people put on their bodies and ingest on a daily basis, it has altered, to a massive degree, most of the chemicals produced by the human body. “Pair-bonding chemicals” based on those alterations won’t last.
Satisfactory sexual relations also contribute to bonding with your couple that would last for many years. I know of many destroyed marriages because of sexual incompatibility, particularly for what is called psycho-sexual frigidity (it particularly affects women more that men). I wish you the best in your development in life. Good luck!
Find your own moral compass.. treat others how you like to be treated.
The last statement is Biblical Matthew 7 verse 12
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@@NanoB1802 Yes but you don't need to follow a religion to be a decent human being it is ATTITUDE.
@@allgood6760 You need God to be a decent human being, people can easily change that attitude, it seems you haven't been exposed to certain kinds of people and I pray God continues to protect YOU. Well I have and I can testify that people can try you so much that you develop a heart of stone,that can only be unfrozen by God's love. To continue to pour out that goodness you need a source that will provide it,cause I this world it's take hours or even minutes to run out of goodness, people can really try you.
@@NanoB1802the fact that you called the millions of atheists around the world « not decent human beings » is absolutely wild, again spouting nonsense you know nothing about. Even more absurd when you think of all the theists throughout history who were horrible people like hitler
@@simonditomasso9868 Simon I'm not going deep into any history here I'm just talking about the basic human nature here, I'm saying we are all good and bad, some people are worse than other, that is why the Bible says we are all sinners and we all need to be saved. Atheist or not we are all in trouble cause we all have sin running in our vains. I'm pretty sure if you keep it 100% with you self you will realise that there are bad things you do or think, I know I do. This is not about judging it's about being critical. Don't put words on my mouth please.
Do what you know to be right without fear of punishment or hope of reward but do it because in your heart you know it to be the right thing to do. Eric Reihart
Great video. Loved the end, well said 😊
If you need an old book with commandments to learn the difference between right and wrong, you might not be a good person at all, no matter what religion you are.
Sort of misses the point. You need to ask why you know in the first place.
Aren't you showing the same arrogance of a religious person by saying that? Who are you to say someone gaining their morality from religion is bad? Who are you to say what is "good" and "bad"? If in your own subjective morality, you are "good" and in a religious person's subjective morality they are "good" what's the difference, exactly? Why can you define and execute "good" and they can't?
If you won't acknowledge the good they may get from religion (and there are some great lessons even if you aren't religious, the book of proverbs is a personal favorite) why should they acknowledge the bad? It's subjective.
Brilliantly spot on. Bravo!
Instead of saying this fairytale of a devil did it and would have said a god forced me to do it.
Everything is all these gods faults. If they created us and they knew our full life outcome. Then it's these gods faults for creating me.
The only people who made you were your mum and dad.
Agreed
@@mistylover7398 Atheists tend to outsource their own sins and wickedness to God's account.
@@jounisuninen 🤦♂️ nope
@@jounisuninen sin to us iz a imaginary virus for a imaginary cure. Lol y can't you understand dat??? Oh right you people really don't care bout reality and can't demonstrate with objective testable verifiable evidence that your gawd exists in reality besides fee fees and magic, stop victim blaming humanity for just existing and knowledge alone. Y even exist to begin with if we're evil for existing to begin with??? People like yo mindset may always make just no bloody sense. Live in reality dude not yo book of mythology and woo woo. Speaking of atheist and how your just actually da same atheists to ☪️ az usual to keep telling you about other competition faiths and who's da correct gambling answer of being real. Your hopeless side seems actually impossible and quite da contradictions to be real and all da different (☦️✝️✝️✝️✝️) denominations of yo faith belief system.
What I've noticed in this video is the religion thats been discussed here are the monotheistic religions and excludes other religions which i find peculiar, so I thinking the title of this clip should be *why monotheistic religion corrupt our sense of morality* 😊
Greco-Roman polytheism never condemned child marriage or adultery.
Greco Roman polytheism also established that the gods were flawed, not morally perfect
@@BlumpkinthehobbitGreek-roman polytheism is probably the most free minded religion they could come up with, that explains natural phenomena.
@archived2714 In Polytheism/Pagan, etc., if one of the gods causes criminal harm to another god or human, the other gods hold the offender accountable and punish him/her. When the Abrahamic God does the same thing, He can't and won't be held accountable. With that said, Hail,Thor!
@@deedeskin2439 Doesn't change the fact that they acted out of petty emotional spite. Wow, such incredible role models. The God of the Bible does not need to be held accountable because he never causes harm from a sinister motive. He is perfect; beyond what our flawed minds can process. He is beyond time and space. And he certainly doesn't ruin good people's lives because they insulted him, nor does he lust after mortals etc.
Well if people weren't locked into outdated moral views from an ancient book the Civil War might never have happened.
Transformers style lol. Megatron iz LORD
The civil war happened because the southern states thought that they had more autonomy than they did from the federal government. Slavery was a part of the issue, but not the entire issue that led to the civil war. I fail to see what the bible had to do with that.
@@carterjlward7447 Almost every historian and scholar agrees that slavery was the primary cause and the Civil War wouldn't have otherwise happened. You really need to read the individual states' articles of secession, they cite slavery as the cause and commonly refer to the north as non-slave holding states and south as slave holding states. The reason why slavery brought about war, when other issues did not, is because the South's economy heavily depended on slavery, and the loss of it meant the loss of the ability to self govern and self protection, and basically be at the mercy of the federal government. And BTW, the Bible was frequently used as justification for slavery.
@@carterjlward7447 If morality is a product of divine inspiration, then we would expect that the pious would have an uncanny sense of morality in accord with one another, as it would come from one, allegedly objective, source. We do not see that on the question of slavery. We see pious men who believe that their deity not only approves of but instructs them to fight against or for the peculiar institution, the result being many of them quenching the ground with their blood together while the survivors equivocate about their reasons for fighting. The fight to end slavery was not the result of an 'objective' moral entity disclosing a truth to all of its faithful who then collectively rejected a human institution.
@@MG-ot2yr the people who used the bible to justify holding people captive, were no Christians. Slaves must have been confused anyways. The Ethiopian bible is the oldest version of the bible and was in Africa before England. It predates the king James version.
Slavery in the Bible was not based on antebellum southern rules. People didn't have the welfare system or food banks to fall back on. People voluntarily went into slavery by appealing to someone with money to pay their debts. They then worked off that debt, and after a certain amount of time, were free to go. It wasn't race based or for life.
I understand that slavery in the south was a huge factor in the civil war but saying it was the only reason, is greatly diminishing the entirety of the situation.
Thank you ❤
I was born and raised as an atheist, Im a happy human
Religion is the foundation of morality. Saying religion corrupts morality is about the dumbest statement that you can make.
Its not,
Moral systems are most likely a product of our evolution as social species.
Some religions just codified the existing moral systems their societies already had.
Excellent video and straight to the point.
"religion doesn't give you morals .... It gives you a moral structure, and you should be very careful to know the difference".
I am a Muslim, and I found this vedio Really interesting and informing.
And as a reply, to the story of the Muslim who treats people good because "Allah" tells him to ... I apologize because in my opinion this is one of the misguided tactics that Muslims use ignorantly to promote their religion ... The correct answer that he should have said is " I am treating you well because I am a decent person and you are a decent person, and our prophet once said "treat people the same way you like to be treated" "
Back to the issue at hand .....
I believe that all the evil done by religious people in all religions (including Islam)
Is a direct result to losing the sight of what is a moral & what is a moral structure ....
prophet Mohammad summarised his calling to Islam in a simple - yet deep - phrase " I was sent to complete the virtue of morals"
The word "complete" here means that in order to actually achieve Islam, you need to be a virtuous man to start .... virtue and morals predates religions .... Generosity, bravery, honestly and truth are all virtues that are embedded in the human soul even without religions ..
So ... What are religions good for ?
Religion are good for two reason:
Personal ... To guide you in moments of despair , to make you reach your inner potential of good and suppress your destructive potential (your inner demons).
The second reason is "social" ... In order to form a society you need the cooperation of two people or more to achieve the goals that society needs , and one of the most effective way to do something if these individuals follow the same "moral structure" to achieve cooperation.
"Religion turns evil when people without moral use their knowledge of this moral structure to abuse people who don't know the difference between the two in order to achieve Their selfish goals."
And I sadly have to admit that there is no religion that can say it was not abused in this manner
I agree. People pray to God for an illness and if cured, they're grateful to God. But then why did God make you ill in the first place? Heads he wins, tails we lose.
The only way to get corrupted by religion is to believe the opposite of what religion teaches, and then proceed to do precisely that.
Shall we give an example ... ? Religion teaches "Thou shalt not kill."
If we don't follow this command, and kill somebody, this corrupts us.
Morality is to follow religion, not disregarding the teachings of religion.
Scripture includes bad examples of who and what not to follow, with several real examples featuring real human beings. Scripture also includes examples of individuals whose examples we should indeed follow.
So when you are told - by God himself - to participate in stoning a man to death for collecting fire-wood on the Sabbath day, you have no choice but to obey? Or to massacre women and boys taken prisoner in conflict (but keeping the virgin girls for your own use)?
Very well said! Love it!
It's different for men. They don't have to be virgins on their wedding day do they? Ridiculous.
@centraltexanonb8598 yes right
Patriarchy. One set of rules for men and another for women based upon prejudice and stupidity.
Certainly a man is not expected to be a virgin when he marries his 16th wife, who happens to be his prepubescent cousin.
If you look at the feminist claims of what patriarchy is, the closest reality is found in religion.
The concept of a society set up by men for men is obviously false, but if you look at religion and the way it treats women, it's the wrongs of a patriarchal system.
The fuck are you guys on about? Of course men have to be virgins on their wedding day. Have you studied Christian teachings?
Just waiting for the theists to show up and start loosing their minds whilst trying to justify their morally corrupt delusions.🤣
This is really good by the way, yet again another video that beautifully illustrates the corrupting and harmful nature of religion.
Yay
If man was left to their own devices where no other person would condemn another person for what they think, then Morality would not exist and everyone would be dead.
Unless it's done right. We actually do need God, for real.
ignorant LOL
@@supermanandbatmanishereI don’t know if you’re talking about this comment or religion.
Religion, being a Christian, going to church, praying, and studying the Bible, knowing that I'm loved by God and forgiven of my sins; got me through anxiety, depression, OCD, the death of my baby son 20 years ago, and now type 2 diabetes. Though it all, I'm living healthy, diabetes is in remission, I'm happy and giving back to my family, friends, and community. I still have my bad days; when those old feelings sometimes take my mind to dark places; but then I just take it to God. For me it's WORKING; so why would anyone want to spoil that for me, or anyone else?
I think that they are doing that only for money. And they are doing that also because of vanity.
It works as well as any drug does, but it's still a dependency. What it supplies is reassurance, purpose, and a sense of community, but those can be found anywhere else as long as you have people.
Thank you for this.
I love sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens but this giu was simple and right down the point. Enjoyed it
If anybody wants to know how a Christian would respond to this in a “fair thought setting” let me know in a reply and we can set up a way to have a longer discussion.
Hi. I'm here.
@@phi4721 is there any part of the video you’re interested in talking about?
This is so good
I’m a victim of an overly religious mother and I get called a lot of things just by doing what I like (ie: listening to any other genre of music other than Christian songs, reading fantasy and horror books, etc…)
I broke free from religion but I’m still a believer in God. This video really helped me prove my that what I did was right and I couldn’t be more grateful
I don't knell before a God.
ok
Thank God for Dan Barker. No pun intended.
Beautiful!
“There is no cruelty in regards to God’s honor” St Jerome
one of the biggest issues is that no one can question gods work. cannot be sceptical, be critical.
Because that will undo all of it within an hour
Do it, there are alot of people who found God through that root. ❣️
@@NanoB1802if you start questioning religion, you're more likely to stay away from it not move towards it.
Also why aren't we allowed to ask questions or be skeptical? In a cult there's a hierarchy but why does religion need to have it? Also do you actually believe in the devine right of kings?
@@ya00007 who said you should ask questions😆I do, I ask alot, I mean the Bible gets kinder confusing, so ask.
@@ya00007 People are and will always be problematic(including myself of course) , it's no surprise that we can take God's things and corrupt them, but God remains true and just. Try him, reading the Bible, praying on it, ask questions and if you feel like it still a no well that your choice. This is just simple, some churches might make it complicated cause they want memberships or money (, they will have to answer for that) but there are people who are serious about God. And if people preach the truth and it sounds scary, it's not manipulation it's just the truth, or would you prefer that we get caught by a surprise later during judgment day about hell and all that. We have a solution through Christ and if you don't believe in God you shouldn't be scared. So why the hard feelings 🙂
If they make you believe in an Easter bunny they can make you believe in anything, shows how gullible they are
There is a popular sentence in Spain about what religion is: "Do what I say, not what I do".
So much perception and common sense offered in this video.
Nietzsche said, there absolutely is a God and that God is called 'The Self'. He also says, 'To be prickly toward that which is small (in virtue) seemeth to me wisdom for hedgehogs!' There's wisdom in choosing your battles wisely. Many atheists are on a moral crusade no different to the theists they are supposedly against.
So, "The Devil made me do this" becomes interchangeable with "In the name of God"...Stop making shit up!
@@MichaelGerard365 😒🙄
nope a God is good
@@supermanandbatmanishere Yes, but which God???
@@supermanandbatmanishereZeus being a hypergamous creep isn't good like wtf.
@@danieldumas7361 the real one, Jesus/God. there is no other God,
Religion isn't about believing in Good. It's about playing god
ba-dum-tss!
Explain? Christianity is an act of submission to God in itself, how does Christianity produce God-complexes in its followers?
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Far too often people use some cherry picked verse from the Bible to support their own views and claim it's God's will, and that they have an obligation to enforce "God's" will on others. But then they ignore the fact that there are other Christians who cherry pick verses for an opposing view who also claim it's God's will. Playing God simply means they think everyone must abide by their rules. Take the abortion issue, for example, where a minority of fundamentalist Christians try to make it totally illegal despite there being exemptions in the Bible - and instruction on how to cause a miscarriage ("natural" abortion).
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@@user-nz8uy1zm3z 'Submission' to God then makes you feel more righteous and superior than the 'unsubmitted' person who is then destined for hell. It's a rudimentary form of narcissism. The feeling of superiority then becomes immune to logic just like in narcissism. Bible says donkeys talk but that's OK because if I believe it I get to keep feeling superior.
THE MOST AWESOME VIDEO EVER!!!! ❤❤
Blindnessless comes from simply stopping lying to ourselves and others.
The gods haven’t abandoned us. Because they were never there in the first place. Our desperation created them so long ago.
And our ignorant nature guarantees they’ll never be replaced. It only proves the Evolution of our higher brains were a fucking waste. At our core will forever remain based.
In fear and superstition. All because of the fantasies we chase. And our inability to brace.
For hard times and even harder truths. that will force us to stop acting as prey. To every used car salesman with a talisman dangling from their necks.
A pusher of empty promises. That everything will be OK. As long as you wholeheartedly embrace.
And without a second thought give praise. To hustlers in robes. Who are just the worst kind of disgrace.
Financial hucksters, child molesters, and bigots who have no shame. Because they claim to speak for the highest power. And Their words become mandates.
From religions, which only confiscate. Offerings of money, property and children’s fates. For parents must declare their souls. Before ever walking them into Churches, mosques or Pearly Gates.
And this is whats inherently wrong with any faith. Con games, back door tactics and pious fakes. Who can promise, eternal bliss. But only to those fool enough to take the bait.
BEHOLDEN TO PIOUS HANDS
One religion at least teaches we are born evil and need that religion to make us good. From my own childhood memories I believe we are born innocent and can be corrupted throughout life.
Have you been around alot of kids 😂 no seriously?
@@NanoB1802 "One religion at least teaches we are born evil " - I wonder what religion that would be ... Can you tell?
Mark 10:13-14 "13 People were bringing little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these."
@@jounisuninen Children, unlike us are pure in spirit, they have sin we all do that why they require guidance from parent, you do reprimanded ur child or you see it done why cause as adult we have to teach them what wrong and what right cause, we are born having this confusion of good and bad inside of us, If it wasn't the case kids will be "angels" or they will do nothing wrong but that is not the case, (the born with sin part is proof here), but unlike adults children are quick to forgive and to forget, kids do what they feel like and express their emotions to the fullest without any fear of being judged, when children love, they love and trust wholeheartedly, blindly hence it is why that have to be protected from people who are awful cause not all kids have a best or even good childhood. Jesus was saying we should be like that love and trust him and one another, kids don't have stereotypes, om my, I can go on and on about the difference we all know between children and adults. The Bible is to be studied, there are different books there including poetry, in certain instances Jesus spoke in parables even his disciples were left confused just like we are(the Bible does not hide that). But just because we are confused, it's doesn't mean what is written is wrong or rubbish or whatever.
Organized Religion is a way to make you humanize the people that share your beliefs and dehumanize the people that don't share your beliefs. You ends up with two sets of moral rules, one for the true believers and another set of moral rules for the "Gentile".
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-- Blaise Pascal
The story of Job is to explain why good people sometimes still suffer. And sometimes, good people do suffer. But we are still to try to obey God anyway, rather than to turn away from Him and to resort to evil ourselves.
When you don’t teach children not to be selfish, they can do awful and terrible things to each other.
My family came from an atheist communist country. People there behaved awfully and we’re still suffering from the awful effects of that culture’s trauma.
Thank God I became a Christian later in life.
and here, in mostly atheis country, we have less crime and happier people.. go figure. The worls ones are the religious ones that selfishly demand that everyone else think and act like thay do.. causing no end of arguments and bad feelings among people.
Communism, while not having a religion, is not atheism.. being an atheist only means that you do not belive in the existance of god/gods. Communism us so much more than that, it is a ( failed) political ideology. Almost a religion in itself, certainly a religious way of life with all the rules and all the control over what and how people are suposed to think.
Being a christian means you only changed masters ( who tells you what to think). and even though I can see how you may feel that this is better.. NOT having anyone else tell you what to think, and doing that all by yourself.. feels even better. Being an atheist is but a small part of that.
@@Goldenhawk583I was an atheist for about half my life. I was so arrogant in thinking I was so smart, when in fact, I wasn’t. I was wrong. I was egotistical and I was pompous.
You think people are happy here? Have you observed how many people here suffer from depression? Have you observed how many random shootings occur nowadays? Just yesterday, some people got shot in Kansas City. And a few days ago, a woman in Texas tried to open fire in a megachurch.
@@TonyWKoo and now you are no less arrogant claiming to be humble?
Yes, people suffer from depression, but it is not because they lack religion. In fact, unless they also have a good community, religous people are even more depressed than atheists.
Have you seen how many wars have been started over religion?
You still think you are smart apparently., ssmarter than before even... and yet you seem very selfcentered.. hmm... weird.
Yesterday a women tried opening fire in a church in Texas.. does it make it more special because it was in a church?
@@TonyWKoohate to break it to you, but from your comment you seem to still be very arrogant. The shootings you are mentioning happened in America, a country not very well known for its atheism…
@@simonditomasso9868when I was in high school, back in the early 90’s, I used to fantasize about shooting people in my school. This was before I became a Christian. This was before even columbine. Now, mass shootings have become so common that people don’t even bat an eye anymore when they happen. “Oh well, another one just happened again.”
Now that I am a Christian, I believe in the preciousness of every human life. Even the lives of my worst enemies.
If I wasn’t a Christian, I would probably still be filled with so much hatred that I would have been far more dangerous than j am today.
Yes, i used to think i was smart, but i was just fooling myself. I used to think i was better than other people. i was so arrogant back then.
This is why Mr Spock was logical and an atheist.
Mr. Spock also isn't freaking real
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God is also not real
No he isnt logical.A logical human being dont ignore thongs like this:
Ten uncorrupted bodies of catholic saints.
@@cristianpopescu78Hundreds of uncorrupted Egyptian mummies. Worship the Ennead.
@@alistairmackintosh9412 Those are not mumies. You dont know what you are talking about.
Take a closer Look.
good title!
How does the Ten Commandments corrupt anyone's sense of morality, or cause moral blindness?
No one said it does Henry. Are you even paying attention? I'd bet you didn't even bother to watch the video. The issue has to do with authenticity, and actual moral development. If you aren't stealing from people, or only being kind to people because you're afraid of eternal punishment you aren't actually a good person, nor a moral person. You are a criminal, an awful person being held in check by fear of punishment.
Who said that the Ten Commandments is immoral?
@@dorkception2012 Absolutely no one. Henry thinks setting up a strawman is the same as being clever.
@@nsbd90now That's what I thought also. :)
@@dorkception2012 What is the title of the video?
There a Story of Father who even can kill his own son to prove his Faith in God.
Every Father love theire own sons but God seem to dont understand it and Test it anyway.
Abraham was tested by being told to sacrifice his son. But, either way his son was going to live. Either Abraham wouldn't kill him, so he'd live. Or he would try to sacrifice him and God sent an angel to stop him, which Abraham was stopped from doing. It was a test but either way, his son was in no real danger.
@@carterjlward7447 If you dont do it that mean you disobey him and No faith in him that the point of the story even it just Prank or not
@@user-nu8vw1ow4n it wasn't a prank. Abraham was told that his son would have generations as numerous as the stars. So, he had faith that God had a plan. He was being obedient but trusting that God would keep his promise. And he did.
@@carterjlward7447 No way i would kill my son even that kind of promise.
@@user-nu8vw1ow4n and God knows that and that's why you've never been given such an opportunity. He respects your free will.
How can you say : *RELIGION* corrupts our sense of morality, while the video only presents examples from Christianity, especially the Old Testament 🤔?
brilliant arguments
Religion makes people more judgemental.
And blind, more stupid and dangerous...
Yes, that is true.
"Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you."
Matthew 7:1-2 (NASB 1995)
@@synergy1916 Why are you reminded of this?
Going to church is like going to a Union meeting where you are expected to obey the Union Leader ( Pastor )
The two main lessons the bible is trying to teach is 1 Man is a lousy God. 2. Love is superior to morality. Morality is the line that divides mankind, love is the sacrifice necessary to save it. When man was in the " garden " he learned agriculture, once he learned agriculture he was awakened to "morality" the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Once man bit the fruit he became a God, that's why God mocked Adam after he ate the fruit. " Man has decided to become one of us."
I believe we people who were raised with religion should file a class action suit against the church for the life long traumas that it has caused. No joke intended. When you tell a 8 year old that swearing is a hell worthy offense, that's mental cruelty of the most dangerous kind.
Man can never be his own moral compass.
Well, I am
So what’re you gonna do now?
@@Druid75
You saying it doesn't make it so.
@@larrybedouin2921 you saying I could never be doesn’t make it so
Don’t project your incompetence on others.
I don't get my morality from some almighty god that nobody can even demonstrate exists.
Also, I wouldn't keep a slave because it is grossly immoral, yet the undeniable word of god not only fails to condemn slavery, it actually documents how to keep slaves, how to trick them, and how to beat them.
The fact that people think they get their morality from god is total nonsense.
Honestly to truly be moral, humanity needs a God and that hurts our pride because we'd really like to believe that if we try hard enough we can be morally good but really that's not true.
I don't have all the answers but that's just my personal experience.
If one looks at the historical progress of morality over the last two millenia, many of the godly have used the authority of their deity to oppose what we today consider moral progress. When we look back at the pious going out into the field and shedding the blood of people who are no less pious but believe their deity is for their cause, we do not see revelation guiding those who pray fervently. We see men quarreling with men over changing the status quo. Both sides might claim that a deity speaks to them and has given them wisdom, but they are the moral actors responsible for their positions.
As a Realist this hits hard. People are too indoctrinated & it’s so deep that people don’t even realize it. We won’t be getting rid of religion for another 3000 years.
The loud, abnoxious music while they're talking is INSANE. I would have watched it but I couldn't cope with that.
God makes me mentally strong against sinful situations and life choices, Jesus Christ said to love your neighbor as urself and show the true Love of God
Proof?
@@Druid75 the love your neighbor as yourself,it’s on Leviticus 19:18)
@@d-raptor5912 thats the claim
I want the proof
Bible aint proof
Well too bad the only thing I see is lots of hate for the LGBTQ from the Christians
He also told his disciples to abandon their families to follow him. Cult.
Blindness is the source of moral religions.
This made me cry. I honestly feel so bad for Christians. I wish they could understand where we come from. Many of us have been where they are, I just hope that they can come to the “dark side” and be set in reality. That’s what the dark side is. I, as an agnostic atheist, feel for Christians. Most have the belief because of indoctrination, manipulative abuse. It’s very sad.. without it, I feel that humanity would be when to work together for the greater good. Almost every war has come from this religion. It’s so sad.
If a person only does good because he will go to heaven, its not a truly good person, did saints do good to go to heaven?
Wow. This is amazing. Could you do a video of where we can--now-- derive morality from?