Why Organized Religion makes Absolutely NO Sense
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this video we explore the paradoxes and inconsistencies within organized religion.
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Why would an omniscient god deliver messages of eternal importance in writing, knowing your target audience would be about 98% illiterate for many hundreds of years? And also knowing that any literate clergy would distort these "scriptures" for their own benefit. Doesn't seem very god-like to me.
Because you've subscribed to a jewish fantasy, buddy 🤡
If, as the hymn goes, "A thousand ages in thine sight are like an evening gone", you'd have thought he could have waited what must only be the blink of an eye until virtually everyone was walking around with a smartphone with camera and voice recorder. Yet instead he chooses a remarkably illiterate part of the world (even back then) to reveal himself. It does raise a few suspicions.
It's about faith.
@deletenow3276 Faith is not a virtue. Belief without evidence does not bring out the best in us.
@@deletenow3276
Yes, that's the problem. It's about faith.
"Why do so many people believe these religions?" Humans are highly subject to Wish Fulfillment Desires.
It's called religious indoctrination. Has a child you believe what you are told to believe by your parents who were told by their parents.. It's a sad repeating process.
True.@@chuckwaardenburg496
Then how do you explain things like hell, or the 10 commandments, or purgatory? Sure, I might wish that for others but why would I wish those for myself?
@@VictoriousCatholic lol
That's funny..
I for one don't believe in the legitimacy of those particular subjects. If you are a believer how do you explain those things?
@@chuckwaardenburg496 not everyone become religious just because of their parents 😂 for instance I was more like an atheist when I was young but in my late teens I decided to be a Buddhist because I like it
There is no sense in organized religion but there is money in them.
and power
@shahriarirani8057 WE HAVE A WINNER! Especially those scummy televangelists. Worse than the old "robber barons."
And yet i found a link to the Freedom From Religions gift shop. Whats your point?
You're right. The Mormons have around 120 billion dollars and own 4% of Florida. It's a very successful investment firm which runs a church on the side.
If they weren't organized or rich, would they be more compelling?
My husband became an atheist by reading “The God Delusion”. He is still depressed… Somehow he thought that he would see his mother again somewhere… Me , I have been a non believer from my early teens. It’s because my grandfather was such a pious man that I read the Bible and started to think about what I was actually reading. Being raised Roman Catholic it’s not easy to start questioning things. Especially because I have fond childhood memories of sitting next to my grandfather while he read stories from the Bible. Now, I know that I would have the same fond memories if he would have read fables from the Grimm brothers. Which, seen the cruelty in them ,they very well could have been. As a child I used to go to bed and talk for a while to God… I must admit that it was comforting knowing that someone mighty was protecting me. However it’s like Richard Dawkins said in the last few minutes of this video. It is letting go of an imaginary childhood friend. Growing up and accepting the beauty of reality. The world is so much more wonderful and complex without a God.
"The world is so much more wonderful and complex without a God." - And there lies salvation.
Please watch and share with others my four brief videos in which I present examples of scientific facts contained in the Bible, facts that the writers thousands of years ago could not have been aware of without divine knowledge given to them by Jesus Christ / The God of the Bible. And today's scientists agree with those facts!
@@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921 Those who believe in “Holy books” keep saying that their book is the best. I read a few of those, studied Mathematics, History, Philosophy, Chemistry, biology, Sociology, Psychology, Geology, Literature, and other painstakingly, community-built knowledge heritages that took centuries to build, read literally more than a thousand books and hold three different University degrees. If the “Holy books” didn’t exist, it wouldn’t make a difference a to me. So, I would expect to be wasting my time viewing your videos. But if you want to share your views here, I would love to have an honest and respectful conversation.
I'm sorry about your depressed life, but you've chosen this empty path by rejecting your creator 🤡So you just pay the price from now on
@@user-sc8ph2ds2m I sometimes wonder if the difficulty to interpret written text has something to do with some people’s fascination with such an uninteresting book as the bible. @lilitheden748 didn’t say she was depressed, quite the opposite. Try reading again. Is that a Clown face next to "your creator"?
I love it "Organized delusions" That makes it 'DISORGANIZED INSANE ILLUSIONS'.
The biggest problem I have with religion us that it just seems to create another in group/out group mentality, we can be arrogant and treat people badly because we're better, we know the secret so are superior, others are immoral not because of what they do, but because they don't believe what we do.
That’s a good point, but I think it is also important to consider that if a religious person treats someone wrongly because they believe themselves to be superior, they are a hypocrite, and don’t really follow their religious texts. For example, Christian’s are taught to love thy neighbour, so if that are treating someone who is not religious as inferior, they are not following their religion properly, and that is not the fault of that religion or God but the fault of that individual.
You don't know what religion is then. Organized groups have existed well before religion became a thing.
I see a lot of evidence that what you describe is what atheists do. They will often say they use logic, rationality, evidence, etc. acting as if they are the only ones (or worse, acting as if they actually do when they don’t).
There are many including Gervais who will say an adult believing in a god “is embarassing” which conveys superiority and arrogance and treating people badly because he thinks he is better. And he is not the only atheist who conveys things like this.
I think what you find is that you just stated one in a long line of connections between atheists and theists, not a differentiation.
@@tjones5719 I guess you have a point there, yes the arrogance and air of superiority that some atheists have is pretty off-putting, I'll agree with that!
What you are describing has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with humanity. Peoples attacks on religion are as misinformed as peoples' faulty interpretations of religion.
It makes no sense in terms of the logical well established reality reflected in academic biological evolution, it makes lots of sense in terms of financial donations to churches, colleges, politicians, business on and on.
You got that right, if it makes dollars it makes sense...
“I’m against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” -Richard Dawkins
Except for the fact that for centuries the Catholic church were pioneers in technology, science, and art. But let's just ignore that
@peestrem31 Yes, let's ignore that. Religion had nothing to do with it. Religion didn't make those advancements the people themselves did.
@@m1germsy784 The argument is that Christians "hate" science, and try to avoid it as much as possible, so I was responding to that. Please use critical thinking next time
@@peestrem31 Are you religious?
@peestrem31 also the argument wasn't christains "hate" science and are against it. Using critical thinking, you should have deducted a different meaning from Dawkins quote.
This felt so beautiful and true.
Beautiful? What?
Solid Gold.
Any institution which claims to help others and shows otherwise or at least not doing what it could is always a red flag. People should just value and believe in common good and public service. But they don't because that won't get you whatever you want. Which is All anyone really believes in anymore. Not like religion was a great start.
It sounds like we are coming into the age of logic. This is only one small step for humanity. But we must remember that logic can only explain so much, and what is left is a mystery.
Yes but the world is becoming less and less mysterious..
Theres nothing left but your ignorance
@@WetbackNoSetback What you said is not inherently logical nor truthful without the facts to back you up. "Ignorance" is only your opinion without substance.
@@arthurzettel6618Ignorance is being religious.
@@arthurzettel6618 flew right over ur theist head.
'I am' an Ex-Christian and this is why. Christians ALWAYS talk about the power of Jesus, the holy spirit, God... How one must be saved or else. The millions of innocent people who gave their lives thinking they we're going to be saved in the hands of 'cult' leaders. The lies and deceptions the 'Church' keep's reiterating time and again. These 2 bible quotes (Bare with me) Shows how the NT is manmade propaganda. John 14: 12-14;
"... whoever believes in me will do great works I have been doing and they will do even greater things than these..." Mathew 14: 31 " Oh thee of little faith:
This shows by the words of Jesus Christ himself. (Supposedly) That Christians or anyone who believes in him can do even greater works than Jesus himself. Even Peter had the faith to briefly walk on water. (Supposedly) So, as of 2024. 2000 years after the birth of Christ, have I yet or anyone else see Christians perform greater miracles than what Jesus claimed himself, he can do? Where's the mass curing of cancer, disease, famine, war, natural disasters...? So, there is either a problem with the story, (Bible not being true) a problem of faith or Jesus plain out lied. I ask YOU, which do you think it is or is there another possibility I over looked. I'll leave it to the reader to decide.
There are cases of faith healing that cure cancer but they have a natural explation that is miraclous anyway
@@eeroraute281
Like Jesus said to Peter. 'Oh, you Christians of little faith.' Cases? Not what Jesus was referring to. "Whoever believes..." Guess a lot of Christians don't really believe then, like 99.9%. It's in the bible, so it must be true. lol
Well said
@philmason7860
Jesus is a made up narrative from the OT. The Messiah in Jewish text was to be a mighty warrior. The Romans created Jesus to live and die a short life. Why there is no evidence of Jesus.
@philmason7860
'I am' an Ex-Christian because I have an open mind.
The Great Dawkins, Shermer, Harris, Krauss etc take us to to total Critical Thinking, Rational Thinking through Scientific Reasoning, Knowledge and Understanding of our Origins in this beautiful and Grandeur Universe..
@philmason7860 Stop spreading Christian propaganda.
Brilliant from beginning to end. It’s great to hear things put so clearly and factually spoken without raging ramblers going on about the written word or sacred texts or just having blind faith
Except it’s not brilliant unless you cannot think and question on your own.
First Darwin didn’t solve the problem as we are still learning that some aspects of the theory of evolution are wrong. Don’t believe me, look up the stressed chicken Swedish experiment.
Second Dawkins himself expresses faith that just because we have made some advances that automatically means we will answer other big universal questions.
Third the individual pointing out the 34,000 Christian denominations is first using an argument ad populum that you can tell something just by the pure number of people with a belief or not.
Fourth that same person hasn’t logically analyze why it is very explainable that there would be many different denominations and religions if there was a god.
And those are only in the first half of the video. It’s too bad you cannot question that which you desperately want to believe - makes you like many theists.
“Desperately want to believe”?? I have absolutely no desire to take any genuine truths away from myself.
It was a brilliant video and I have, and continue to, question just about everything in life. This is how we advance as a species.
Darwin, evidently religion’s biggest enemy, didn’t completely solve the theory of evolution however there is genuine evidence throughout the planet of evolution taking place. Not fully solving an equation doesn’t detract from the truths behind it. Nor does it add validity to the argument for creationists.
Richard Dawkins is first and foremost a scientist and science knows nothing is ever 100%, thus of course he would say what he said. There are always unknowns. Yet again, those unknown factors don’t mean that the creationist ideals are suddenly correct.
Third, the person who pointed out the 34,000 denominations wasn’t trying to prove any specific point, he was pointing out a major fault in the “logic” of religions and beliefs in an omnipotent deity.
Since in your words it’s “very explainable” why there would be many different denominations and religions IF there were a god, please feel free to explain it.
You trying to be an intelligent [sounding] person with a cause to defend religion and some invisible being in the clouds and your dream of an everlasting life after death is laughable at best. Trying to group me with atheists doesn’t work, I’m not one of them. Atheism is in itself a faith based group of sorts and I don’t share that.
Mass delusion doesn’t create truth. It means absolutely nothing, the amount of followers involved. It’s just monkey see, monkey do
@@ryandubyah2345 You just made a post providing more evidence you don’t question.
“”Desperately want to believe”??” Evidence one. Feigning confusion when something is explained is a deflection technique used by individuals who don’t want to have their beliefs questioned.
“I have absolutely no desire to take any genuine truths away from myself.” Evidence two. Repeating that you supposedly value truth despite evidence to the contrary is a technique trying to convince the person saying it that it is true despite the lack of evidence.
“It was a brilliant video and I have, and continue to, question just about everything in life.” Evidence three. You restate both the videos brilliance with no ability to refute what I said (similar to the technique above) and you also without evidence claim you question again despite the evidence to the contrary.
“This is how we advance as a species.” Evidence four. You add in a statement that I did not question (actually promoted) as a failed attempt that by association your other statements must also be true.
“Darwin, evidently religion’s biggest enemy, didn’t completely solve the theory of evolution however there is genuine evidence throughout the planet of evolution taking place.” Evidence five. You acknowledging he didn’t solve the theory shows the video was inaccurate as I said but instead of admitting this you again try to desperately grasp on to a truth (that there is evidence for evolution) to deflect your original inability to question.
“Not fully solving an equation doesn’t detract from the truths behind it. Nor does it add validity to the argument for creationists.” Evidence six. You now move the goal posts and strawman pretending I said something counter to these items when all I did was show you didn’t question a fallacy within the video. Once again you use this to avoid as you don’t question.
“Richard Dawkins is first and foremost a scientist and science knows nothing is ever 100%, thus of course he would say what he said. “. Evidence seven. Another moving the goal posts and a non sequitur. I point out that Dawkins shares faith that things will be answered and you use these logical fallacies to avoid admitting that is true.
“There are always unknowns. Yet again, those unknown factors don’t mean that the creationist ideals are suddenly correct.” Evidence eight. You now move the goal posts and strawman pretending I said something counter to these items when all I did was show you didn’t question a fallacy within the video. Once again you use this to avoid as you don’t question.
“Third, the person who pointed out the 34,000 denominations wasn’t trying to prove any specific point, he was pointing out a major fault in the “logic” of religions and beliefs in an omnipotent deity.” Evidence nine. You strawman as I never said he was trying to prove something and you do this to avoid the logic I did question of his which you couldn’t refute.
“Since in your words it’s “very explainable” why there would be many different denominations and religions IF there were a god, please feel free to explain it.” Evidence ten. You having to ask rather than being able to question yourself is again evidence you cannot question. Let’s see if you can show some questioning skill before I just do your questioning for you.
“You trying to be an intelligent [sounding] person…”. Evidence eleven. This is called overcompensating as I haven’t made a point of my intelligence and you calling it out indicates you feel inferior. But you turning it into an attempted ad hominem is more of your inability to question your own failings.
“…with a cause to defend religion and some invisible being in the clouds and your dream of an everlasting life after death is laughable at best.” Evidence twelve. This strawman of yours is both a projection and a lie. I didn’t once defend religion, I questioned the errors and failed logic in the video. And you lie and strawman by trying to pretend I am a theist when the evidence should have told you otherwise.
“Trying to group me with atheists doesn’t work, I’m not one of them. Atheism is in itself a faith based group of sorts and I don’t share that. Mass delusion doesn’t create truth.” Evidence thirteen. Now you lie saying I grouped you with atheists when I did no such thing as the post I made showed.
Evidence fourteen. I might as well also cover you not quoting or using my words (which would have been evidence) is also a way to not question and promote your logical fallacies which again is more of you not questioning.
“It means absolutely nothing, the amount of followers involved. It’s just monkey see, monkey do”. Evidence fifteen. Again you actually state a truth to pretend it has some bearing when in fact you should have agreed with me that the argument ad populum is invalid. But you didn’t just agree because you couldn’t question.
All this allows us to conclude you don’t question and the video was not objectively brilliant.
Lol
@@tjones5719 *//"First Darwin didn't solve the problem as we are still learning that some aspects of the theory of evolution are wrong."//*
Irrelevant. Evolution in its Modern Synthesis is FAR More Complete & Accurate than it was after Darwin wrote about it. So what?! Science adapts and adjusts its views to what is observed and demonstrated through the available evidence. That's literally how it works.
*//"Don't believe me, look up the stressed chicken Swedish experiment."//*
That no more Challenges or Conflicts with the idea of Evolution than Every Other Experiment or Study done throughout human history. Stresses can indeed potentially be a driving-factor for certain aspects of adaptations within a given population, a Selective-Pressure. Not only is this Nothing New... but that Literally FITS with the Theory FAR More Than it Could Ever Contradict. And that includes All of the RNA-Based Epigentic, and Hormonal, ramifications & implications of that particular study.
*//"Second Dawkins himself expresses faith that just because we have made some advances that automatically means we will answer other big universal questions."//*
A few problems there:
1) You're implying/subtly-Admitting that "Faith" IS Bad, solely just in Attempt to also claim/imply that "He/y'all are Just As Bad As Us(/Faith-based Religions)". A faulty or erroneous attempt at Moral Equivalence.
2) You're also utilizing Equivocation, whether you realized it or not, by way of associating "Faith" with Your Beliefs in the Genuine Sense but simultaneously applying a Colloquial (and Still Partly-Inaccurate) Definition when concerning Dawkins's convictions about the future.
Faith [Religious] = "Belief in a Deity or Higher-Being, on the basis of 'Spiritual' Apprehension rather than proof or evidence."
Faith [Colloquial] = " *COMPLETE* Trust or Confidence in someone or something."
Dawkins only has Trust in that conviction, and fairly well-justified trust to be sure, but Not Even Remotely or Necessarily "Complete" Trust... he's perfectly free to doubt that and be skeptical to his heart's content at any point, because he doesn't Stake his Entire Worldview on the Basis of the Truth of that Conviction Alone. Case-in-Point: Problem 3 below.
3) He literally said (about a "Darwin-Like [Comprehensive] Explanation for the Origin of the Universe"): "One day maybe they will [explain it], one day maybe they Won't.". That's not even anything Close to "We proved B, which means we'll Automatically prove C.". You shouldn't be so intellectually dishonest.
*//"Third the individual pointing out the 34,000 Christian denominations is first using an argumentum ad populum... "//*
False. His argument was in no way Any attempt to claim something was true on the basis of the number of people who think or believe it to be true. If he were, then he would've mentioned the Likely-Trillions of Atheists/Nonbelievers throughout anatomically-modern human existence and Necessarily would have had to specify something like "They were right/correct". Instead... it was just a Comparison of numbers of peoples who believe different things (including Other Religions), posed as a rhetorical appeal to skepticism, because they intrinsically, logically, and literally Cannot ALL Be Correct (least of all About Everything).
There are different degrees of knowledge, understanding, and proof. Humble people are willing to consider new information. Arrogant people who think they have the ultimate answer spew hate at those who don't believe what they believe. If you don't like that religions have extreme and absolute assertions that obviously have outlying exceptions, but then you yourself make extreme and absolute statements, then, to some degree, you've engaged in the behavior that you hate.
There are definite absolutes in science.
@@campfireaddict6417Where is the official list of absolutes proven by science? **Contrary to popular belief**, there is no such thing as a **scientific proof**. While proofs exist in mathematics and logic, they do not apply to science. Here's why:
1. **Nature of Science**: Science is empirical and deals with the natural world as it exists. It is not a closed, self-contained system like mathematics or logic.
2. **Scientific Theory Evaluation**: The primary criterion for evaluating scientific theories is **evidence**, not proof. Scientists prefer theories with more and better evidence.
3. **Tentative and Provisional**: All scientific knowledge is **tentative and provisional**. No theory is final; it can change based on new evidence or better alternatives.
4. **Binary vs. Gradual**: Proofs are binary (either proven or not), while scientific theories exist on a **gradual spectrum**. Some theories are more credible than others¹.
In summary, science seeks truth but never reaches absolute certainty. It continually refines our understanding of the world, making it an exciting and dynamic field of exploration! 🌟🔬
Source: Conversation with Bing, 3/11/2024
(1) Common Misconceptions About Science I: “Scientific Proof”. www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200811/common-misconceptions-about-science-i-scientific-proof.
(2) Can science ever discover the absolute truth about reality?. bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/science-absolute-truth/.
(3) 10 Scientific Laws and Theories You Really Should Know. science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/scientific-experiments/10-scientific-laws-theories.htm.
Sometimes I worry that too much of the argument against religion is coming from people who don't know how less blessed some people are and that they sometimes need a crutch. I don't go to church, but I don't hate or denigrate people that do, despite that they might hate me or delve in hypocrisy. Peace isn't the absence of struggle, it's the acceptance of it.
Not all religion is theistic as for instance Zen Buddhism is most decidedly not. Yet attending a Zen chanting service or perhaps a Pure Land service one gets a sense of the numinous without the theistic ranting which prevails in the more Neanderthalic branches of Christianity.
problem is that many religions and churches abuse the fact the less fortunate people. saying that donating to their religion will help those less fortunate. or that the fact they are less fortunate is because they are not close enough to God. this is extremely manipulative
Thank all of you for thoughts about religion. It is beyond me, how people still believe in gods who are invisible. I find these beliefs shockingly naive and ignorant.
Eloquent common sense from beginning to end.
When most people argue against the existence of God they do so having in mind the concept of God presented to them through religion. The Creator or God exists outside of religion therefore denying 'His' existence because religion does not make sense is small mindedness. Maybe the Peace you seek maybe the Happiness you seek maybe the Love you seek just maybe the Fulfilment you seek, wether religious or atheist, just maybe that IS THE CREATOR!!!
Isnt it obvious that both atheism and theism make equally no sense?
I mean you can't create everything from nothing.
But if this is true what created god/gods? Surely this logic also applies to these divine beings...
It seems as though you don't know what atheists argue for.
They don't think everything came from nothing, as theists usually say.
They mainly believe that our universe originated from the big bang, which isn't nothing.
God is the Alpha and the Omega, if he was "created" he wouldn't be God.
"In the beginning there was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God."
I think it's fruitless and foolish for humans to pretend that they can comprehend how God came to be, because he hasn't told us and we don't need to know
religion is a textbook toxic relationship "you need to be saved because i made you that way. you need me. without me you will be lost"
people must have some screw lose if they want a higher being so perfect that embraces them for all their flaws!
even tho it created them with those flaws.
religion is the ultimate goal we need to overcome to be truly united as a species!
being a good person is not enough to get to heaven... you HAVE to believe in their God otherwise eternal suffering....
who actually wants that to be true?! that is just horrible!
Without religion society collapses. Face it, you don't have to believe in Jesus but without any sort of religion, a society will collapse
@@peestrem31 i agree but that is just faith into something.
i only have a problem with Religions/Gods that are fanatic in their nature and demand total worship otherwise you will be punished eternaly.
that is just a system from ancient times to controlle the uneducated and spiritualy undeveloped masses.
i do have "faith" myself but it does not require anyone to convert to it with the thread of eternal suffering or the reward of eternal paradise.
it is "faith" that does not care who beiieves in it.
It just simply is. no matter if humans accept it or not.
People will find it in themselfs when they are ready.
People can connect with it if they want to.
most people will never find it tho because they are to occupied looking outward than inward.
The laws protecting the slavers (religious ruler's), should be made more regulated to protect rather than diminishing human rights
If god doesn't exist it means mankind must try much harder
We claim that we know everything that there is to be in life and know how it functions but when we discover more we know less
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I loved this video
God bless you all guys. I don‘t think we have to fight Religion or Atheism, lets just let each other live.
Yes we do. Look at those Muslin countries restrains on people based on religion, look at what the Religious Right wants to do in America. If you want to keep your rights, you must protect them from being taken away by religious nuts. Religious organizations are just milking the people.
This is the right answer
Not while planes are being flown into skyscrapers.
@@KunaProductions If I thought that were really true I would leave you all alone. The only people I think are OK are Jews and most of them are not religious anyway. I think that's part of the good about them. Even the Amish have nasties. And no one would believe that.
Reality and truth matter, and only one group is certain of their views via faith-based dogma, and work their way to indoctrinate and force others to submit to their bs.
Believing in God is like believing in santa or the tooth fairy .
You are obviously speaking from experience. Do you just believe in one or both of them?
@@pathfinder1273 You're triggered that your brain has the logic of a child ?
Keep worshipping them, goy.
Great content minus the incorrect subtitles popping up on the screen.
Sam Harris looks like a 7th day Adventist preacher or something
Heard nothing against buddhism honestly
That's an atheistic religion though.
@@thedude9941 Plenty of devas in the suttas
@@korpen2858also concept of nirvana is nothing to with atheist
@@satyamindnectar7052 Yeah that's kinda central isn't it xD
It's a religion, isn't it?
What stuff did make the universe exist?
Energy
@@davidutullakatos637 what started energy?
@@andrewchristian6466 we don't know
It might as well not be started
@@davidutullakatos637wdym ?
@@davidutullakatos637 now you know that sience has not all the answers?
Spirituality over religion always
Spirituality is religion == belief in nonsense with no evidence.
Everyone is the wrong type of magician if they don't believe in your magic? Lol
@@maylingng4107 Spirituality is not religion just as religion isn't mortality. Religion wants you to believe that it is the corner stone but that's just an illusion.
@@karenmiller6088
Religion is based on spirituality; in the real world there is no place for spirituality/religion, except in the minds of the deluded.
Yet there is
What about unorganised religion? Would that be OK?
At least better
Who is gonna tell you what to think?Who will you give your money to?
And how will you spend your free time on sundays?
i guess that would be "going within" as meant esotercist been saying
Think whatever you want.
Send money to me! No checks. :-)
Sundays are yours. I am sleeping in.
Religion as folkdancing? Sure.
People did consider alternatives to Gods way way back; the Greeks, Chinese, etc.
Even India
Christian and Islamic morality has its roots in earlier religious based ethics i.e. Zoroastrianism, the Sumerians etc. Saying that there is no basis for these codes or compasses or reducing their merit is potentially damaging.
It's the other way around. Christianity and Zoroastrianism are based on distortions of previous revelations, which is why they have some similarities with Islam.
whata lausy argument just because bullions of ppl are atheists if they are, that definitely by it self doesnt mean anything. It means nothing, just because Richard dawking cannot comprehend something that means nothing to us others believers.
True Faith is completely different to religion.
According to the credulous ....
True faith is between people. Only people. It has nothing to do with some thing, you'll never see.
Great video
What about disorganised religion?
You mean cults?
Same thing.
@@dorkception2012 Cults are usually tightly organised. If they garner enough members, they become recognised religions.
@@dorkception2012 But a lot of religious belief, such as animistic beliefs, are disorganised.
@@robinharwood5044 So? If a belief is disorganized, then it is around the same level as a group of people who think the Big Foot exists. I just don't see the point of your comment.
1 Corinthians 1:18-31
King James Version
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
"Happiness can be found, even in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the light. It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. Thus, even asLmfao we face the tyranny of Lord Voldemort, we stand united, because beneath our fear, there is something so very important: a flicker of light. Remember, Harry, it matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be."
-Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
You Poor credulous man
All respect but... Ehat do you try to accomplish
If you want true faith, keep it with your loved ones, not some imaginary ghost in the sky you'll never see and will never ever do you any favours.
@@dorkception2012 J.K Rowling said she based Harry Potter off of Christianity
The Bible is so full of nonsense and contradictions that the title should be : Religion for dummies. On the other hand, Darwin didn't explain life, he just discovered some commonality between different groups and species that suggest a common source and a pattern we know now is from DNA. This is a far cry from explaining life and why it is so diverse.
Press F for respect for Indian atheists(They are constantly bullied)
I prefer English to Maths though.
1:45 the origin is the Creator... a watchmaker made the watch... ⌚
2:24 the laws of physics follow the "logic" & "reason" given by the Creator (black holes break those rules though)
you can include Christianity to that list
Humans, who cannot even explain how their Universe originated, think that they can determine whether or not their Universe is conscious or if fate rules their lives. LOL!
The default condition of the minds of people seems to be one of great ignorance. Is it wise to pity the ignorant or despise them? Which choice will ultimately help us all?
@@FairnessIsTheAnswer Perhaps that "default condition" is the love of the Creator ---- which becomes clouded by worldly cares.
@@jeffreyerwin3665Perhaps. Conjecture can be beneficial for imagining new perspectives. I believe that the mind can become clouded by worldly cares, for sure. Many possible default conditions of the mind and soul could be imagined. None of us have the time to analyze every possible belief, which presents a problem. If we can't analyze every possible belief, then how do we decide which one to believe? My answer would be too long for this comment.
Our Lord Creator God YHWH is a Gracious God
If you would like to accept Jesus as your Savior, please pray this aloud: "Lord Jesus, I repent of my sins and surrender my life. Wash me clean. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. That he died on the cross for my sins and rose again on the third day for my Victory, I believe that in my heart and make confession with my mouth, that Jesus is my Savior and Lord.
Fuck religion all everyone is really asking is why am I so lonely why are people so cruel and why is my life pointless depressing and unfulfilling
What a stupid statement to say that there is no designer for life yet for inanimate objects like cars, buildings and aeroplanes we have to have a designer.
It blows my mind how stupid some "intellectuals” really are
Are you serious?
Pffffffffft LOL
Seems like another 5 years old got held of daddy's phone....
@@dorkception2012 Ad hominem attack, that is not a rebuttal you offered
@@peestrem31 Why, did the OP make anything more than fallacious claims? Whenever religitards will come with more than "Na-ah", then there will be rebuttals. Dishonest idiocy deserves equal response, wouldn't you agree?
Cuz we've seen designers for cars and buildings. When did you personally see the designer for life?
"The most intelligent being of all time." So intelligent that he was scared humans could build a tower tall enough to reach into heaven. (not sure a two-year-old would believe that)
What does that say? It says the bible authors looked at the blue sky and thought heaven sat just beyond it. It doesn't look that far up if you think it is a thin band which one day will be rolled up like a blanket. (of course we know that we walk around in the sky every day, there is not a cut-off point for the air we breathe for it suddenly to become the sky)
The writers did not know that the sky went on forever, but it demonstrates their lack of intelligence which of course they credited to their imaginary god. 🇦🇺🦘
But surely organised religion makes better sense than disorganised religion?
Organised religion is like an army. Is that how you like it? Or would you prefer to do your own private form of prayer?
Not satisfied that all this is just an accident.
Nature doesn't care, it just works.
Of course you won't, you want your 40 virgins after you go to heaven! ;)
Either way it doesn't get you to your man made religion ....
well if what u say is true how did the first organism come to be 💀💀
organized "religion" may be a little ridiculous, but trying to claim that God not existing at all is the more logical and evidenced based position is absolutely INSANE. You have to have a whole lot more blind and illogical faith to believe that than to believe there's a creator.
Faxs, What's even annoying is that, Whever these people hear the word "God," There instant response is Religions are false and God doesn't exist. Like bruh. Religion have nothing to do with creator. But, i suppose, Religions are mainstream and famous because of there narrative revolving around 'God created Universe' so i guess, It's natural response because of Mainstream religions.
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I have been telling this thing that in quantum physics it could be said that energy exist forever since the law of conservation of energy states that " energy could neither be created nor destroyed it only transform from one to another" in which sense it means energy is there forever. Second thing I have been telling also that consciousness is inherent in nature in the quantum realm as what showeded in the experiment of double slit board where it seem that particles have consciousness in my view. To support that claim Masaru Emoto's experiment shows that water in jars reacted to words spoken the them. Another thing is that air seem to respond to blow more when farmers whistle when they want more air, which led me to conclude that particles at quantum level have inherent consciousness or in totality the universe is conscious.
Considering it collectively energy and consciousness are inherent in nature. With these energy and consciousness it could originate species and also made the galaxies to arranged by themselves. Being conscious they could evolve by themselves, yes? On the other side to prove that there is what you claim the all powerful and merciful God, go to cancer hospital and look for 20 patients and ask God for complete healing, that is the way if we want scientific proof like testing a cure of covid, yes? Ok game do it. If you couldn’t do it simply means your are embracing a lie your theory is wrong.
Thus there is no "all powerful and merciful God", no hell, heaven and rapture which made to control people.
Consciousness? Do you think plants are conscious when they grow their leafs toward light, OR, maybe it is a simple natural phenomena that Chlorophyll cells grow more on the surface where light shines on? Which is more plausible and can be explained with our current tools and knowledge?
The water experiment was a fraud. And you misunderstand the double-slit experiment. Particles do not change their wave-state because you "observe" them with your consciousness, they do it because observation via scientific implements physically alters their state.
The lack of intelligence in this forum is appalling.And the comments of anybody who disagrees with the general tenor of ridiculous arguments set forth here,are deleted for no reason other than intolerance. Again and again.
Are you okay?
You have been nothing but pompous and hostile this entire comment section when I have done nothing but ask questions? Are you okay?
Let allll of your hate and bigotry out 🍿🍿🍿
@philmason7860 No, my comment was for Irene (the comment we are replying to) which is why I didn’t add the @😊
Your comment seems genuine and harmless so I have no problem with it😁
If someone says he she is religious i loose my respect for them how can u be religious in an era where u have access to information on the tip of ur finger
I never had problem with the idea of god but the amount of nonsense comes with religion should be stopped it's a disrespect to human intellect
What does having information on the tip of YOUR finger have to do with anything? And how does that negate the need for religion? Rather a simplistic viewpoint.
@@pathfinder1273 Well, if you insist on burying your head in the sand, you don't need a computer or a library. Just the one book is good enough for the likes of you.
@@toni4729 Troll
Don't worry, I'm sure anybody with half a brain doesn't respect you from the get go, so we don't really care.
It is incredible how difficult it is for a person to admit that all religions are man-made.
Actually it is very easy for most, except for one, one's own. Christians look at followers of Zeus and think 'oh they believed that because it was written in text and part of their culture and upbringing but we know that isn't true and can't be true...'
All see the wool pulled over other's eyes...even while peering through the wool over their own.
That's because it's a part of their life 🙂
@@carrotbrainYT Part of their life is shite then
"It is incredible how difficult it is for a person to admit that all religions are man-made." Mostly because it is not necessarily true. And to borrow from the "atheist" handbook: you made the claim so the burden of proof is on you. Yet you provided none.
I believe in Jesus and in the Bible i agree that all religions are man made now. But Jesus goal was not to spread an other religion. Jesus spread the revelation of God the Gospel (Good News) His goal was not to teach us to go to a church 1 day each weak. His Goal is to change our Heart.
It's great to listen to common sense without someone arguing the opposite.
Yes, a thousand times, yes
Oh, yeah❓️ Well it says so in a some kind of holy book that the opposite is true❗️
Undiluted propaganda tickles your atheist ears best?? You like your horse$#it pure?
Logic and reason vs magical thinking and irrational thinking, how could anyone give merit to religious apologists?
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We are told an all-knowing God designed the incredible complexities of life, yet was so unimaginative & primitive it could only resolve issues by killing people.
Hallelujah you get it! 😏🤣
The bible god is a mass murderer.
And yet sin had taken their lives already
Laughable 🤣
shyt might as well not make human kind at that point if the omnipotent knew it. It seems that yhwh likes to toy with his creation and after the fact gaslight us? Ah, who am I to out human logic on the omnipotent Yhwh. @DiscipleOfChrist40
I could never imagine life without Science. Religion is the bane of my existence, when scaring me into religion didn't work, they always tried to force me into religion. The religious people in my life, seemed compelled at times by some kind of unseen force, to never let me be a atheist. I remember thinking no one dies, no one gets hurt just because I don't believe in God, I'm not the first atheist to ever exist and I'm diffidently not the last.
Hey, just be you man. Try to be a good person., that's all you can do. You are not alone...🖖
Are you in the US by any chance? America is very much an outlier in the developed world, with a religiosity far more akin to the Middle East and Third World than any other advanced nation. Here in Europe nobody gives a toss. In the last UK census the majority of the population declared themselves to be non-religious; and in Scandinavia the percentage of atheists is even higher, religiosity being a distinct minority approaching endangered species status.
This is why the rest of the world finds the situation in the States so amusing (and scary). The religious right spouts nonsense about atheists as if atheism is some kind of minority cult...totally oblivious to the fact that as far as the rest of the advanced world is concerned THEY are the minority cult...and outstandingly ignorant.
As Marcus Aurelius put it 2000 years ago: -
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care about how devout you have been but will judge you based on the values you have lived by.
If there are gods and they are unjust, then you should not care to worship them.
And if there are no gods, then you will have lived a good life that will live on in the hearts of your loved ones.
@alfresco8442 L o l
Good guess for me, I'm almost too embarrassed to admit it.. I can totally see what you are describing. From the outside, it must be especially concerning considering the power that the United States wields. It is genuinely scary when you think people believe this election carries the weight of biblical proportion for the entire world. If I had to put it in religious terms, we are fighting for the soul of this country.. The funny part if ,you can consider it funny ,a portion of the people think Donald Trump is the savior. Probably an equal portion think he is the anti Christ. I think at least I hope most people know the truth. The guy is a con artist and a fool... The world is watching.
Wish us luck!
Why do you think Religion means Life without science ? Also I am really sorry what you have gone through and it was not okay for them to force you into Religion.
@@SenaYila Only because religion and science are incompatible. Religion wants you to stay ignorant about everything besides religion..
The worst people are those who mindlessly follow thier parent's influence without asking for a reasoning ground for that particular religious path.
Are you sure that they are the worst? I'm sure there are worse people.
Any religion that expects you to obey without question is…questionable.
@@peteralbrecht473I don’t think he means evil by worst, but the worst because they don’t ask questions or anything. Just blindly believing everything they’ve been taught about religion
Some religions look down on people who question...expecting people to have the credulity of a child.
IN THE BEGINNING...
There was the LIE
#GreedyAnimalsBegotGreedyHumansDevisedADrugForSimpleFolk
How many of us have seen a talking snake or a man made from dirt? How about an angel running for public office?
It's pure BS.
A silicon-based life form would be a thing to behold. Of course there's tons of carbon in the dirt today, because of humus, but that's because of millions of years of death and decay. I'm not sure how that works in a world where vegetation has only just been created.
Was your thinking that obtuse when you read childrens literature or Aesops Fables, or when you and your friends played make believe and developed most of the skills you now possess? Imagination and creativity are both higher modes of learning than is intellect, so dont disparage them until youve learned the power of them.
@@alfresco8442 Vegetation was never " only just created " and nobody would take that literally.
Vegetation evolved just like everything else.
Another example of taking the Bible literally and assuming that others are equally stupid.
@@irenehartlmayr8369 If the religious accept evolution then they're going to have to point to which Homo habilis or Homo erectus God set a test for. Because there is no sin involved in simply evolving. And without original sin Christianity doesn't have a leg to stand on.
No original sin equals no need for any redeemer of or saviour from that sin. It follows that Jesus was either lying/delusional, has been misreported...or is a complete fiction.
Be careful before you start throwing terms like 'stupid' around; they might just boomerang.
@@irenehartlmayr8369 Be very careful about throwing around terms like 'stupid' they might just come back to bite you.
For a start, millions of people in US cults indeed take the Bible entirely literally, so your claim that nobody does is patent nonsense.
However, if the religious do accept evolution and the non-literality of the Bible, then they're going to have to give evidence for exactly which Homo habilis or Homo erectus God set the same test for that he set for Eve.
There's nothing inherently sinful in simply evolving. And without original sin...and the need for a redeemer of it and saviour from it, Christianity falls apart at the seams.
It's nice to hear from people with an actual brain.
Classical atheists belittling other people 🤣
@@carrotbrainYT You poor thing I'd pray for you but it would be a waste of time.cauz you know....
@@ScottishRoyal1 see you are unable to understand other peoples emotions🤣🤣
@@carrotbrainYT The truth hurts like hell.
@@gleanerman2195 what is the truth? Insulting others for their opinions is your truth?🤣
One of the many things that turned me off to religion was prayer. The idea that by simply talking (or thinking) to yourself about an event that you are asking the "creator of the universe" to make happen is utterly delusional. You can't even describe what form this deity has based in reality, but somehow you can communicate with it simply by talking to yourself? That doesn't sound crazy to you? Seriously.
Theists say that if your prayer isn't answered that it was "God's will". Or that it's "not the time" for your prayer to be answered. Which, in both cases, is no different than there being no god at all.
Correct! Prayer is the unfortunate recrudescence in the adult of the mother-infantile pathways of supplication.
Instead, TAKE ACTION.
Yes a prayer is like a wish a hope a desire. Sometimes your hopes wishes and disires come true. Probably not from a supernatural force. Usually because of hard work and dedication..
You have to be bat-shit crazy to pray.
Prayer is not a way to ask God to fix all your problems. It is a way to talk to him, and grow closer to him.
@@DiscipleOfChrist40 God also helps alot in great ways to find your keys. Except for when you don't find your keys. Then you know , you probably did something bad like a sinner or something. Then obviously it's the devil who stole them‼️
Religion makes as much sense as wiping before you poop. If you do either the outcome is never well 💩
Religion is made for weak people to cope from life problems but it's totally delusional system
But people who are well versed in religions have better minds and show respect to everyone, unlike the atheists taking stuff for granted or making groups like LGBTQ+
@@jeevang750show me any Christian fundamentalist group who shows respect to ANYONE who doesn’t believe like them. They are trying to force their arcane beliefs on everyone else. They are the haters. They are free to live their lives but they are NOT free to control others. Also please explain why organized western religions have the highest percentage of sexual assault and domestic violence crimes of any group. Definitely not quality individuals.
That is, without doubt, the most retarded analogy in the history of humanity. It's not even accurate in a literal sense, let alone in its complete lack of intelligence or understanding. But I guess it allowed you to satisfy your obsession with fecal matters.
True mystics come to realize that we are all God in that our consciousness is beyond matter and never dies being continually reborn throughout all the ages, and that consequently to imagine an outside deity existing in the heavens is fond and vainly imagined, just like worshipping a Eucharistic wafer displayed in a monstrance at Benediction.
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People simply don't want to accept that we likely vanish from existence at death, which is the most likely case. Our world is between our ears in a marvelous meat computer. When it quits, you're gone for good!
Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong. How did you come to that conclusion?
@@vincentasks Evidence. That's what it suggests as the Most-Likely Probability.
If Consciousness were genuinely intrinsically & inseparably linked to some sort of incorporeal metaphysical existence that continues on into an 'afterlife' upon death, then it would stand to reason (at least according to Most Religious & Spiritual Ideologies) that it Could NOT Be Directly Affected or Influenced by any Known Physical Means. And yet we Repeatedly & Consistently see the Exact Opposite being the case.
We can put ourselves into temporary dreamless comas, a state of Complete LACK of Consciousness, purely for the sake of avoiding gruesome pain in operation, only to be pulled right back out; all done through Phsyical Means (via Chemical Anasthesia).
We also know for a fact that things like Personality, Feelings/Emotions, and Memories (the very things that make us who we are, that shaped us uniquely & individually into the Present Us) are Directly-Linked to Physical Neurons in our Brains. Hence why Damage, Injury, Trauma, or Disease (such as any Brain-Damage, or Alzheimer's, Amnesia, and many other things) can Literally and Permanently CHANGE A Person's Whole Identity (depending on What, and How Much, gets irreparably damaged) entirely without their choice in the matter. Even the MOST Important People, Things, and Concepts in your Life... can Easily Be Forever Lost to your Mind, IF the proper Neuronal-Cells get damaged enough.
And that's effectively just only the Tip of this particular Iceberg of Evidence. Nor is that getting into the relative (and Almost Complete) Lack of Evidence for the counter-side of this subject.
I am not religious but I wouldn't jump to conclusions. What you say could be true, but so could reincarnation. You never know and you shouldn't care. Just be a good human, improve yourself and enjoy life. Focus on things that you can change.
"Likely"?!? So in other words you dont know but youre going to say so anyway? Sounds just like how fundamentalists think...
Why would God create people knowing their destined for Hell ?
to reject the god of ancient tribal israelite mythology you do not need to know anything about science but instead just plain logic and critical reasoning. abrahamic religions collapse under their own absurdity.
Once you are sick in bed, once you are desparate and with grief, and once everyone is just like you craving for some control over life, you and everyone will believe anything.
@@Francesco-gf1svnot likely. I’ve been there.
@@Francesco-gf1svexcept it gives false comfort and hope so not worth really anyway plain and simple. Your issues wont get resolved just because you delusionally "believed" or were misled, or believing something doesnt solve the problemor make it real, that would be delusional, if someone loves the idea they can shut up and keep to themselves andnot shove it down people throats because not everyone likes it. Thats how religion happened in nutshell anyway they were bunch of people who "believed" and shoved it down people throats, forcefully included if not especially but it sucks for them information is shared faster and more than ever and they can decide, anyway the religion crumbles once information spreads which they actively prevented since they had control now they dont, another bussiness down i guess, i dont like supporting someone bussiness like religion i dunno how about others.
@@Francesco-gf1sv Thank you for expressing in clear & concise terms how Religious & Spiritual Ideologies are literally nothing more than a direct result of Irrational Emotion and Desperations, and purely held Only in the HOPE of some arbitrary Wishful Fantasies magically becoming 'true' against all evidence.
@@living_redefined I've been there too, and i can tell you he's telling the truth
Mathematics doesn’t rely on languages or a peculiar understanding of what operates All-That-Is.
Mathematics succeeds as a science whether one speaks English or Korean. Gravity is a reliable force, no matter one’s ethnicity. Magnetic North is discoverable by humans of every stripe and pattern.
Surpassing truth is not a cultural phenomenon or the construct of any particular deeply reflective hominid.
Human capacity for self-delusion is as endless as the number of digits to the right of Pi.
Beautifully put
So wrong to the core. You have not got the helicopter vantage point. It's a cross discipline that makes knowing possible. And knowing the highest truth cannot be written here in comments run by a perverted philosophy company.
In a way, math is a language of it´s own. The epic of nature is written in it.
Ricky Gervais put that a slightly different way. I'm not sure whether he borrowed the example from someone else. He said that if all religious texts and knowledge of those religions was expunged today, then they'd be gone forever. Which is not to say other completely different religions might not pop up in their place,
If, however, you did the same thing with science and science books, then a thousand years from now we'd be right back where we are.
@@alfresco8442 He did express that thought and I concur with his view. What one believes, no matter how sincerely, won’t change what happens when you jump off a cliff. Belief in unassisted human flight is still destined for disappointment.
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It has always puzzled me how god can make the whole universe and everything in it, he is all powerful, all knowing and we all are his children, and yet he treats everyone like shit. At the very least he should feed the starving and stop all human suffering. Just might be that he's not real.... BINGO!!!!!!
Possibility is probability?
You are just as naive and simplistic as the fanatically religious.
Why should He be responsible for our fuck-ups? Does your mommy still bathe you and change your clothes?
"He treats everyone like shit"?!?!? How is it possible for you to know how to use a computer and yet come up with such an asinine, idiotic statement like that? He put everything here for us to live in a garden of plenty, and we fucked it up and now we fuck each other up on a cosmic scale, and you blame Him for it?!? Do you still expect your mommy and daddy to fix all of your mistakes? And then when God does not do exactly what YOU think He should do, your reaction is to decide that He is not real. Please, my friend, get professional help before its too late.
If part of your message is that various religions describe god as dysfunctional and abusive, then I agree. But that's not proof that there isn't a "god." For example, some people believe that there is an imperfect creator. Imagine someone with bad intent creating a destructive AI robot. That would be an example of a "creator" making something destructive.
Dawkins: the loving grandfather with amazing experience and calm inherent decorum.
Hitchens: the cool big brother who drinks and smokes and gets laid, with a cool job that informs his usually correct worldview.
Dennet: the quirky old widow down the street, lives alone and nerdily focuses on truths of the obscure.
Harris: the sophisticated cousin you always thought highly of. Never boasts, funny without trying, slow to get involved in people's affairs but once in makes all sides feel heard.
Krauss: the penultimate nerd of the family, overachiever, highly intelligent, willing to debate the meaning of nothing, brings Johnny Depp along to dinner but acts like it's no big thang for him.
A great bunch of people.
A-Milkdromeda-Laniakea-Hominid: the ultimate "atheist" groupie, obsessed with a bunch of myopic, arrogant, shallow-thinkers.
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Wow, thats quite the fantasy world youve dreamed up. What does your psychotherapist say about it? Is there any sexual attachment involved?
@@pathfinder1273 Only for Johnny. Why you want some
@@A-Milkdromeda-Laniakea-Hominid No, this ones all on you, bud.
“Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong.” -Christopher Hitchens
Hey theists, do you believe in life on other planets / aliens? If so im curious to know what you think they believe if anything.
The Church burnt Giordano Bruno at the stake; not so much for daring to postulate that the stars were other suns, which might have other planets orbiting them...but because of the possibility that the inhabitants of those other planets might have another Pope. Heresy!
You’re assuming theists think! Bold move
Yeah their could be, but why does it matter?
@carrotbrain8978 Really...... how about because theists claim that "God" created people and the universe, I've yet to come across any holy book or religious ideology that mentions life in the universe besides on Earth of course.
They better because the Canadian government already confirmed the existence of aliens
Religion is like a species, and how do species survive? They create offspring. Indoctrination is the primary mechanism for how religion creates offspring. All modern religions encourage indoctrination of children, along with the conversion or obliteration of nonbelievers. So you have procreation (indoctrination) and eliminating competition (holy wars, suppression, inquisitions, witch hunts).
You also have the survivability of the believers. That's where group dynamics come into play. A strict division of labor and hierarchy makes a more effective workforce and army, and so religions that embodied such structure in their tenets were more successful than other religions. The Amish are quite resilient, aren't they? They also follow a strict religious dogma of xenophobia, indoctrination, and gender roles and so on.
Back to survivability, the religion that fosters hard work, self-discipline, and abstinence from drugs will result in a more robust member. If a religion instead encouraged laziness and indulgence, well those members won't prosper. The believer is also taught to defend their religion. They do this by identifying threats such as heretics. They are taught to cover their ears and eyes to heresy and temptation that would deconvert them.
Here's a curious side note: Christianity's popularity in the early days was in part due to the simple fact that farmers wouldn't have to sacrifice livestock anymore. "Our prophet sacrificed himself already to appease our god, so no more animal sacrifice!" It was a business decision. Who was it that catapulted christianity, Constantine? Yeah, maybe he was just thinking about the bottom line.
Ultimately, religion is a symbiote. Its biggest competition now is science, and oh boy is it fighting hard to survive and destroy the competition. One way to starve the symbiote is to stop the spread to children. Indoctrination deprives children the chance to make up their mind. Freedom of religion must also include freedom FROM religion, and indoctrination violates that freedom.
@philmason7860 *//" "God and Christ are spirit, eternal, infinite, abstract, formless, Love, totality and perfect Oneness." "//*
Ignoring the fact that he used an almost entirely-redundant term immediately after its literal-synonym... and ignoring the fact that those two terms in particular are nothing more than Constructed, Unproven (and Unprovable, thus far) human (and human-made Mathematical) Concepts...
The idea of something/someone being "Formless and abstract" but Simultaneously ALSO "Spirit, Love, totality and perfect Oneness" is rather remarkable (in the relatively 'ridiculous' & 'silly' sort of sense). Especially since it's kinda implying, by way of Comparison, either "Formless and abstract" are completely meaningless (i.e. Not being used as they are actually defined) OR that something like Love is itself Only 'Formless and abstract' (and therefore Not something Objective). I mean, IF 'God is Love' and Love is Objective, then indeed How could God/Love BE "Abstract and Formless" when the Only things we know that can be called 'Abstract' or 'Formless' are Purely Subjective and/or Relative (Non-Objective).
Well, I suppose we could instead just take that statement to be purely metaphorical and/or hyperbolic, like some kind of whimsical flowery prose that Only shines At All in its sheer overwhelming vagueness and ambiguity; as if to imply something like: the Less Sense one makes the More the Most-Sensible Truth is somehow expressed.
*//" - Kenneth Wapnick - co-editor of 'A Course in Miracles.' (ACIM is not a religion)"//*
Of course it's not. It's just a Book, made by people trying to Profit off of the gullibility and credulity of those Looking for Answers typically Alleged to be "provided" by Religions. Promoting a kind of "Pantheism" (still a type of Theism either way, even if not an Organized variety), by way of appealing to New-Age concepts, Spirituality, and even Christian Concepts (because, of course, the Christians will be the most-likely to fall prey to believing Anything that relates to Jesus/Christ, if expressed properly, so why not just toss that in there and even go so far as to Claim/Allege that it was "Divinely-Revealed by Jesus/Holy-Spirit himself" as the Other [First] 2 Authors [Helen Schucman & William Thetford] of those Texts Claimed).
Look, it might be Far Less Detrimental, Far Less Negative, and/or Far Less Oppressive of a Religious (or Pseudo-Religious) Ideology than most forms of Christianity, and it might even have some pretty damn decent moral principles within its framework for all I know (hell, "Oneness" isn't the Worst concept by far), but I for one can't allow factors like those things alone to force me to "go easy on it" when it comes to sharing my thoughts or making a reasonable and honest review or critique of its claims and ideas.
If you read The Pagan Christ by Harpur you come to see how ancient paganism morphed into Christianity and that there is no originality in religion. Another book in the same vein is The Jesus Mysteries by Freke & Gandy. Both books have UA-cam videos devoted to them for all of you who are allergic to reading books. Others will read the books then also watch the videos which is what I endorse.
If god created Adam and Eve and thus all humans, why did he bother creating dinosaurs first?
dinosaurs don’t even fit within the bible’s timeline/history, dinosaurs existed far before humans did so where is that in the bible? its not
A belief in God or the Divine does not necessarily predicate a religious subscription.
Get rid of religion, or at least control it 😔
Justifying the control of religions would certainly be helped if the true nature of many of them was exposed. The people behind many religions were identified by Plato as Sophists and in his Protagoras dialogue they are described this way:"
“Now the art of the Sophist is, as I believe, of great antiquity; but in ancient times those who practiced it, fearing this odium, veiled and disguised themselves under various names, some under that of poets, as Homer, Hesiod, and Simonides, some, of hierophants and prophets, as Orpheus and Musaeus, and some, as I observe, even under the name of gymnastic‐ masters, like Iccus of Tarentum, or the more recently celebrated Herodicus, now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara, who is a first‐rate Sophist. Your own Agathocles pretended to be a musician, but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the Cean; and there were many others; and all of them, as I was saying, adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium which they would incur.”
These conmen employ a form of allegory that works very much like a code and it is used to conceal their true intentions. In Plato's Theaetetus, the Sophist Protagoras is even described this way:
“In the name of the Graces, what an almighty wise man Protagoras must have been! He spoke these things in a parable to the common herd, like you and me, but told the truth, his Truth, in secret to his own disciples.”
And this description is "mirrored" in the Gospel of Mark 4:32-33:
"With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything."
The supposed savior of mankind should have no reason to conceal the meaning of his words, but a conman most definitely does. This massive con can be completely exposed if people would only take the time to decipher this Sophist allegory. In this allegory, every real world idea can be represented by multiple metaphors and there is really no difference between many religions except for the metaphors they choose to embrace. This is also true of many forms of occultism and pseudoscience. The term "apocalypse" actually refers to what happens if the true meaning of this allegory is "uncovered".
In reality, I suspect the immediate short term result of such a revelation would be minimal, but if this knowledge could be made mainstream, it would certainly result in some long term changes in attitudes toward religion. I would compare it to Darwin's Theory of Evolution in it's potential to free people from their irrational beliefs.
Get rid of it.
@@colinloh6427 like Putin in Russia, all religion out, fanatics extremists, the Bible says he's going to show the world how to do that 🙏 and he will go back to his own country, out of Ukraine, and then a scapegoat that religion did it, or started it, 😁 that's what the Bible says
@@Critic-qn3hg Bible be twisting things round faster than a twister/tornado.
Tax all money given to religious institutions and ear-mark the money for education and health-care.
Some Christian said their are no atheists in the emergency room but that's not true no atheist dying of cancer but that's not really true now is it
I believe that God or gods could be a thing, I just don't think that humans could ever be right about what one would truly be like, it is something outside of our comprehension. Our 3 dimensional minds are nothing compared to what an all knowing being could understand. There are things we can learn from the current religions from a moral point of view but I doubt anybody is truly correct. This is why we should think freely and grow our own world view without the need to push it on everyone else.
My only issue with it is rather wgqt docwe define god as,outside religious dogma
You may be the only person on this page who has the right attitude when it comes to understanding these questions. I admire and respect what you said. I hope you are active in it, and not just dismissive.
I am not religious but it is possible for some kind of God to exist but god doesn't have to be what humans have made them out to be in religions.
@@Vik1919 Quite true. Nothing could be more futile than for the creature to describe the Creator according to the creatures understanding. Even the loftiest, most grandiose ideas and descriptions we can imagine are strictly that: our imagination. Thanks for that share.
A refuge for the delusional.
Parts of the Bible seem to have been written by children. Noah's Ark? Really? Grow up!
Noah's ark is based on the story of Gilgamesh
No gilgamesh flood was written 900 bc noah’s propably before that many cultures in america have similar stories did they copy the bible or manu
Shapeshifting animal that evolve what is this pokemon digimon
@@eeroraute281 There were worldwide sea level rises. But the water did not cover the entire world. Probably due to a meteor or comet strike..
@Johnnywanker.And do you think that was God's idea?
What is that background music for?
I think vibes
To make you think of God
I agree with Harris when he states that he's not a fan of words like atheism & secularism. Nobody wakes up and says "I'm not an astrologer". There's very deep meaning there. When words become guns, reasoning becomes impossible.
The Universe runs life. Not a “God”
How was the universe created buddy? You all act as if you are above those who practice faith, but you worship a god yourself, nature.
@@peestrem31go on
@@peestrem31 I agree. I do worship nature for it is logically the only way and nature is created by the Universe therefore I worship the Universe. Faith of a “God” however is dillusional
@@TGx92 Don't make a claim without evidence or reasoning, back it up. How is believing in God delusional?
@@peestrem31 What evidence could I find from the Holy Trinity that would show God is real and people don’t believe in some being who is praised out of MOSTLY fear?
Why would I ever want to praise a God that punishes those who not only don’t believe in God but even those who live in 3rd world countries without any religion knowledge whatsoever out in the jungle? Yet child molesters and murderers are simply off the hook because they just simply “believe” in him? That sounds more like a dictator God rather than a true God who loves everyone.
What about kids who are about 5 years old who never learned of God but die from unnatural causes yet because they never even had the chance of believing in God they go to Hell? Yeah sounds like a great being to me.
Believe in me and you go to Heaven, don’t believe in me then you go to Hell even without ever hearing of me. That’s why people are dillusional in believing in a God. Christian God ain’t even the worst one either which is sad.
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Lol, god knowing only one language. 😂😂😂
Yes god can only speak serbian 🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸
You do not respect those Godless alone weak people
@@Mar-dk3mp Weak people need gods.
@@ingenuity296 God is the primary source without him anything you see now it will not exist. And you must be ashemed to deny God (we know you are the worst generation, we need to get rid and forget, no doubt about) Lier as any Goddenier, No respect for you and your godless miserable life..
My upbringing was very Christian, but I've broken free from the Schism and marketing plans of denominations, and right now I am an agnostic, but my favorite religions are Pantheism Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism. These are very peaceful, and do not condemn one to hell for sinning, when everyone sins subconsciously, so as to this logic all Christians will be destined for hell, and they don't even realize it. lol I think the Bible was written by Fascists for the purpose of overall Morality in the world.
The Bible has zero credibility, really. Think about this: the scriptures claim to be over 2000 years old, and knowing what we know right now with how many versions that exist from the edited James King Version in the 17th Century, and another version in the 16th century; the books that were omitted from the Bible such as The Book Of Enoch and the book of Thomas and who knows how many more.
The Bible has has so much potential to be fabricated, and no doubt a lot of it, if not all of it was a fabrication of the actual scripture, if such scripture was ever written to begin with. That's another major question. We have arrived here in a world where everything was so uniquely designed, yet, our bodies are majorly flawed and plagued with endless degeneration and disease. There is a point to it all, I do believe, yes, and that's where my faith is, but when it comes to Mythological deity's, the likelihood is very dull.
We can't all be right, can we? The only way that would be possible is if the image of God was created in the mind with our own belief systems. In regards to the multiple religions out there, the odds of actually getting it right would actually be a low percentage.
Oh, and lets not forget, "10% of what you have belongs to God". LOL Yeah, the Bible was no doubt edited by Totalitarians. Many have sadly been programmed and controlled all of their lives. If you answer, yes, to one of these, chances are that you are still running that program:
Do you still follow the same religion as your parents/grandparents?
Do you still cheer for the same sporting teams as your parent/grandparents?
Do you still vote the same political party as your parents/grandparents?
If you answer, yes, to even one of these, chances are you are still running that program. Try and break free from this embedded program and allow your own mind to create it's own.
What a coincidence that every claimed god favours the particular tribe who first started telling his stories, especially in terms of attacking their neighbors ... how very convenient.
Christianity IS a religion, no matter how much U delude Urself. @philmason7860
@philmason7860 So you just call a bunch of things god. Where is your proof that those coming from anything supernatural? Love is the hormone oxytocin for example and what is 'spirit' supposed to be exactly?
LOGIC , FACT , QUESTIONS - THE CANCER TO RELIGION
Religion is the real cancer.
@@adeleinetheartist8267Humanity is cancer
By accepting that I could be wrong about everything and using logic, checking facts and asking questions I reached to the conclusion that Islam is the truth (Ex-Atheist).
I don’t think there’s a need for a moment of inception for the universe. It’s always been. Maybe regions of it have expanded or changed dramatically.
When everything in the Universe is so rational and predictable
why is the human brain so irrational and unpredictable?
Biology: works with whatever materials are on the workbench. Never orders in parts. So instead of a logical, rational, mathematical mind with extensive exposure to law and a massive range of culture you get a toddler in an adult body. But but toddlers together, wait 100,000 years, you get us +tons of useless baggage.
'Ego' seems to be something only humans have. What is it? Where does it come from?
@@kpunkt.klaviermusik At first it's an instinct to live. The infant has to be egotistical in an organic way in order to survive, but then the synapses develop further and the baby now has to start to learn to somehow control that primal necessity.
@@campfireaddict6417 Animals have these instincts too. But they don't seem to need a religion or moral rules or cooking shows. Something must have gone wrong at the step from the apes to the humans.
I guess Christianity is not for these folks. You can’t relate to God by scientific reasoning or experiment. Christians believe in God by faith.
Two arguments in this video stand out. Jesus says in Luke 10:21, “..the wise and learned will not be able to understand God”. The other about people who died without ever knowing Christ. Paul says in Rom 2:15, "God has written His laws in the hearts of people through their conscience to do what is right and will judge them accordingly."
Religion - from the fools, by the fools, to the fools.
There is no need to be religious or believe in a god. The best countries on the HDI index are all secular democracies. Ironically the worst countries to live in with low scores on the HDI index are mostly religious.
You take a statistic and fail to analyze because of confirmation bias. It must be a drag that you have given up your ability to question.
You see if you had questioned you would see that those countries high (typically Scandinavian countries) are extremely low on Fearons Ethnicity Fractionalization Index. For instance most Scandinavian countries are only 1/3 to 1/4 the ethnic Fractionalization of say the United States.
What this means is that there is less diversity and less diversity allows public policy, resources, etc. to focus on only one group (or only a few groups) which yields greater satisfaction by a larger amount of people. In addition many of these countries have some tremendous natural resource reserves like Norway and its oil meaning resources are plentiful. So it has very little to do (if anything to do) with being more atheistic.
What is truly sad though is these countries, to maintain their low ethnic diversity, have policies which are very discriminatory. For instance Denmark has rules that towns cannot be more than a certain percentage of foreign born people, they also have rules that you must speak their language, etc. (at least last I checked).
So you’ve selected countries that in a different time would have policies consistent with Nazi germany as they focus on their core race and nationality. Those are the countries you are holding up as ideal. That is sad of you.
@@tjones5719 what exactly isn’t clear to you? Religion is nothing but fairytales which prevents humans from progressing.
@@NZrq9mq”What exactly isn’t clear to you?” Nice feigning confusion as you unoriginally project your flaw of not questioning.
“Religion is nothing but fairy tales which prevents humans from progressing.” So now you abandon your original premise and then move the goal post to something else.
Yet you moved it to another indefensible position.
If you look at the contributions theist religions had to encouraging writing, reading and even advancing architecture and other forms of artistic expression.
So the only question is not if you are indoctrinated but rather how deeply. It looks pretty bad so far for you.
That's a lie
1. Switzerland(secular semi-direct democracy(with church tax))
2. Norway(Lutheran confessional state, constitutional monarchy)
3. Iceland(Lutheran confessional state, democracy)
4. Hong Kong(not even a country)
5. Australia(secular constituional monarchy)
5. Denmark(Lutheran confessional state, constitutional monarchy)
6. Sweden(secular constitutional monarchy since 2008)
7. Ireland(secular democracy)
8. Germany(secular democracy(with church tax))
9. Netherlands(secular constitutional monarchy)
What truly is ironic is that between all middle eastern countries, the ones in good condition are all confessional states while the ones in bad condition are all secular states.
Yeah bro I don't think I need to say anything here lol
Good video, don't need the music.
Who made god?
MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's pretty obvious it's god's mom❗️
Perhaps we can call her Mama Super God❓️
He wasn’t made
@@eeroraute281 They say he has always been there. "Always" is a hell of a word. That means 100 trillion years ago, he was "always" there. I wonder what he was doing for 100 trillion years except for the last little part of it? Doesn't sound like much of a grand plan.
@@eeroraute281 Why do you say He in reference to god? Why in the world would people possibly believe God is a man? Why would the most powerful ultimate being in the entire cosmos need a penis? Oh yea for that poor 12 year old middle eastern virgin. Religious folks are so full of themselves..