Why God is Imaginary
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this thought-provoking video, we delve into the age-old question of the existence of God, offering a critical analysis of the various arguments that suggest God may be nothing more than a product of human imagination.
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My sister couldn't find her car keys one day, so, she prayed to god who with a little spare time on his hands directed her to her missing keys. I told her if he is that good then maybe she should pray for the 40,000 plus or minus children that starve to death in africa every year. She hung up.
Ten thousand children die daily all around the world, from starvation. The number of children that die in a year in Africa is surely much higher
@@drsatan3231 thank you, I was not aware of that. Do you know the number of children dying inthe good old usa by any chance.
@@MichealHoward-cb8on unable to find statistics pertaining to children only but in 2018 650 died of starvation and 1,400 died in 2022
@@drsatan3231 Hey Satan, Thanks. It literally astounds me that in this world a plenty anyone should go hungry let alone starve to death. I would be willing to bet my life the reasons behind it are political!
@@MichealHoward-cb8on it's not as simple as that, I'm afraid
It's a matter of means for third world countries and in second/first world countries its a byproduct of capitalism
Many people lack the means to grow their own food, be it due to infertile soil, lack of water, insufficient agriculture knowledge, extreme heat/weather etc
In capitalist countries the means to gain food in often inextricably linked to your ability to earn money, as few cities allow for sufficient land to grow crops. If you can only afford an apartment then you can't grow food at all. So you must spend your meager wage to aquire food, which is always sold at inflated prices, so as to ensure a profit is garnered every time the food changes hands
Then we have the issue of "beauty selection". Anywhere from 20-40% of a specific crops yield will be deemed "too ugly" to sell, and therefore will often go to waste. Which reduces the profit margins of farmers and makes it more difficult to maintain crops in the long run as a result
The earth most definitely has the capacity to grow enough food to feed all of the masses. Unfortunately if anyone ever was to grow enough food to feed the entire world they'd completely destroy the economy in doing so
I'd have to say ignorance, a lack of means and capitalism are the most fundamental causes of starvation
Take away the promise of eternal life and I wonder how many people would still be devoted to a god.
Yes, they use the "free gift" of salvation and put sort of an insurance policy for an "eternal life." I have a feeling that insurance policy will go up in a puff of smoke that smells of sulphur when they try to put a claim on that policy.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster got me with just the promise of an all you can eat spaghetti buffet, with garlic bread!
@@danthesquirrel 🤣👍
@@danthesquirrel I'm afraid your monster won't give you what you are missing ...
Couldn't of said it any better
Facts and religion do not mix. You can question science, but you are not supposed to question religion🙃
That's not true of all religions much less of all theisms.
@@robertsouth6971they are all cults, so it doesn’t matter.
@@Ex_christian U spelt "cults" wrong! :-)
You’re allowed to question Christianity
@@Ex_christianhow is it a cult
A linguistic placeholder for “I don’t know”. I like this
Science tells you we don't have answers to all the questions. Religion tells you that you can't question the answers.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16
"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman who needeth not to be ashamed; rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15
These are just two verses in the bible that invite you to question the answers, so your statement is false.
Oh ???
"I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned."
-- Richard Feynman
@@TheMeefive These do not tell you to question the given answer , but rather to not be ashamed of the correct answer given by God, and that the scriptures are profitable if you want to do , this and that.
@@Jozsef0rsosthank you I knew he was full of shit but I can’t read Bible lingo
To claim to know God is nothing but the product of our imagination, when we as humanity don’t even have the ability to explore half of the ocean, is simply arrogant and not “smart”.
One thing I don't understand about believers is the "thank God" whenever something or some situation comes to a good conclusion. If God is all powerful and nothing happens unless it is His will, shouldn't they also say "thank God" for the bad things that happen?
You are right; Christians are called to give thanks in all things. In fact, the Bible says that believers should thank God 'for all things.' It is written, "God works all things out for good for those who love Him and are called according to His purpose." Point in fact, my highly abusive father, who told me how he delighted in thoughts of torturing and killing me. I could see the homicide in his eyes; he really wanted to kill me.
Obviously, my self-esteem problems were mammoth! I was level two depression and feeling bad for myself, thinking I was stuck in my infinite discouragement in life. Yet, I would not trade places with anyone now. Working through the issues of severe abuse has brought me so close to God.
Yet, sadly, atheists think that pain has no purpose. Honestly, I do not know how they get up in the morning. For example, before I met Christ, I remember my friends saying things like, "Life is a bitch and then you die!" Everything is crooked and broken.
Yet, if you are wise, you will get to know Christ - just by asking! He died upon a Cross so that we might be the goodness of God. Hurry! Hell is a real place! As it is written, "All liars will have their place in the lake of fire." I don't know what that is, but I am eternally grateful that I will never find out! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshilohGoodness of god?
This god?
Exodus 21 "slavery and owning people as property"
Leviticus 25:44 “However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you.
Psalm 137:9 "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks"
Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and “their women with child shall be ripped up."
2 Kings 2:23-25 Elisha Is Jeered. From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!
Leviticus 21:18-21 "No man who has any defect may come near the lord with a food offering: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles."
Deuteronomy 22 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Leviticus. 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Deuteronomy 3.So the Lord our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city-men, women and children. But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves.
Genesis 38:8-10
8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death.
You need to rethink who you make friends with
@@kenshiloh Why Jesus Christ? Why not Osiris? Like Christ, he's a divine being who was murdered and rose from the dead, to henceforth reign over the afterlife, and there to separate the good people from the evil ones. And also like Christ, we know about him only from ancient scripture (and images, in Osiris' case) made millennia ago by mere mortals. That you believe in Christ and not in Osiris is, since for both there is the same "evidence", just a matter of faith, based on the fact that you were born and raised in a predominantly Christian society and not in ancient Egypt. If you'd been born and raised in India you'd say Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva is the light of the world. All religious believers think "their" God is the true and only one, yet quite probably none of them is right.
@@iancavon7125 So, are you right? In other words, to say that there are too many God and no way to decide, is that the right way to live?
Yet, what you are missing is the reality of God. He is real. His Name is Jesus. How do I know? Because God created us for friendship with Him. If you ask, you may know Him. That is all I did! One night, I said, "Is there Jesus? I would like to meet Him!" Now, in the past almost 50 years, I can honestly say that I have not had even one second of doubt that I know Christ and am bound for heaven - not even for a second.
Christ died on a Cross so that, just by asking, we may know Him. When you meet God, you know all the other so-called 'gods' are fake. In fact, even before I met Christ, I knew my father's atheism and my mother's new age were false. Now, every day is like a picnic at the beach for me because I know Christ.
Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
because people naturally want good things and outcomes,and this is why disappointments often cause atheism when people dont see good things enough.
When I was a kid, I started becoming real self-conscious about my existence. You see, I started having panic attacks really early in life, basically my body ifused the fear of death in me before i could even grasp mortality. I became an atheist much later, but at that time I was alive long enough already to recognised that God and religion don't fit over the way reality operates
When you are really young - if you think - the reality that you will die scares you. As you get older you accept it and then realise older people than you will that you know die before you, that scares you. As you get even older the idea of immortality scares you even more, I don't want an afterlife - I'm not doing this forever!
@@DavidHarvey-po9leThis is exactly what I've been through when I was younger
I used to be terrified of the idea that I will cease to exist after death and pray everyday for immortality.
But then when I grew up I accepted the thought of death as comforting and live my life by own Accord.
As a person who was born a Muslim and now proudly an Atheist, I can relate to imaginary God as stated here. It's proven that if God ever existed, why is there such a lack of proof that he/she/it exists? Why God itself won't show the non-believers some form of REAL proof so we put all these to rest?
God gave us free will. So it’s up to you to do your research. I don’t believe that Yeshua (Jesus Christ) is real, I know that he is real. “My people will be destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou(you) hast(quickly) rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee(you), that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.” Hosea 4:6 I highly suggest you do your homework when it’s determining your path for eternity to Heaven or Hell.
@@RealityAdjuster Your statement sounds like you have been brain washed by bible and church so I save my breath and won't respond. The fact remains, there IS NO GOD.
@RealityAdjustr Free will does not exist when god has already mapped out every second of your life!
Psalm 95 "god already wrote your destiny"
I would suggest "you" do your homework.
@@RealityAdjuster my question to you is, if Jesus is real; then why doesn't he fulfill his promise to come and save his followers that have been waiting for 1000s of years?
And also, why doesn't he provide a REAL proof that he exists? In addition, if our future was predetermined by him, then why all the hype about praying? Is it safe to say that God simply does not exist, and bible was made to control our minds (as I clearly see it in you).
@@hamb7260Let’s say your god.
You have complete power and authority over everything.
You can bend time at will and have the ability of creation.
It seems mundane. And purposeless.
So god decided, im going to create a creature and see if he loves me. Im going to give a it a thought process, a plan, and free will, to see if he is devoted to me.
It makes no sense if god made the perfect world, because if we live in a world where perfection is law and mandatory, nothing would matter nothing would have meaning. Let’s say we live in a world where evil doesn’t exist. If you drop your wallet and someone gives it to you, its only natural for that to happen since its a perfect reality. It has no substance, theres no passion.
That being said in an existence where free will exists, we get to see the choices people make. The good and bad. Whoever gives back the wallet, and who keeps it. Thats what god wants to see, he wants to see who loves his word and does good because we have choice.
“Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming attractions” Albert Einstein.
But death is peace, it doesn't involve a red demon poking my arse with a pitchfork or a white bearded being demanding praise all the time - both hell.
I like this explanation. It makes all the sense in the world and the universe. Thank you.
Funny how you say the world and the universe with absolutely no idea how they came to exist. The problem with the dragon analogy is that there is no evidence of his handiwork nor of anything that could point to his handiwork. Meanwhile we have a world and a universe that had to come from somewhere. Scientific evidence points to the universe as being finite. The most logical explanation for the existence of a structured universe is an infinite, intelligent creator who exists outside of it.
I pray you’ll find Jesus. Don’t leave it to late. Your eternal soul depends on it
@@SuperNovaHeights_ Don't pray for anyone who doesn't believe. You're prayers don't work for the believers so why would they work for non-believers?
@@TheMeefive Science asks questions, that's all, until the proof is there. Believers swallow what they're told without evidence.
@@toni4729 The irony in your statement is that your very existence is evidence. lol
Prayer..just yesterday word went out that an infant being prayed for (brain cancer) passed after 4 years of prayer. No comment about this failure of all that praying, not thanks for the health professionals who did their best during her period (that was put down to God). The final comment from one church member was the infant can have a chance to grow up in the "new earth"; but not given any future chance in this world by God. Of course if this was pointed out, I would have "no faith".. but in what?
Passed? Passed a test?
Died @@robinharwood5044
What failed? The prayers? I have no comment on that because I don't know the circumstances on any side of this.
I can say first you or anyone who knows this person who had the brain cancer have my true sympathies on any pain they are feeling with the passing of this person. They will never truly die...the body does, but the person will never die beyond that.
It's not as simple as why did God let a good individual suffer and or die. Everything is connected. Life is not just about each individual, and no individual truly is one. Sad, hurtful things have nothing to do with a lack of God or God "not answering prayers". Light does not exist without dark.
I believe in Odin. He said 'no more ice monsters'. Well do you see any?
Let's unpack that. According to Norse mythology. Odin was the son of Bur's son Borr. He was actually born into the nine worlds so believing in him is not nearly the same as believing in an eternal, intelligent being who exists outside of time and space. In fact, that being says that he created the universe. Do you see a universe?
Lmao, as a Norwegian that is a bit funny, to me. I find that a bit funny.
U don’t think I will EVER be able to take the concept of the Norse God’s seriously.
My Brothers name is Odin.
That's right, no more Ice Giants. Hey, barkeep! Another round of mead,please!
Tell that to the people on the Titanic.
The real reason people believe is because fear of punishment. They say its because they love god because he gave them life. You really dont love god, you just fear going to a bad place.
Exactly. Believe or ELSE! Fear is the tool to keep humanity as slaves.
Funny thing is, most Christian denominations teach that many people actually have reason to fear going to a bad place (hell). So belief in God evokes more fear than there would be if there is no God. Without God, we just perish after death. No paradise, but no hell either. As an imperfect, fallible, partly sinful being -- as all humans are -- I'd rather just perish than have to worry for decades what my otherworldly, eternal fate may be.
@@iancavon7125
Disagree. Fear was created in the NT to keep believers faithful. 'Believe or ELSE.' The problem with your belief is Christian based. A God and God of the bible are 2 WAY different entities. What NDE's are showing humanity today (Finally) is we are all loved regardless. There is no sinning against any Divine source here. Man created the NT to make God just like an Evil stepfather. 'Do what I say and behave or else I'm going to chain you to the basement floor and make a hell for you.' Those who created the bible created fear with Demons and Devil, judgement, damnation, hell... No thanks to Christianity or any organized cults.
How can you really love a being u don't see or never answers your prays that's ridiculous.u have no idea what he looks like or anything this whole God concept is soooo stupid an ridiculous if you really take your mind outside of the programming
@@khelframpton569
I'm not religious one darn bit, but I love the father I never met. Never met him, but I'm here and I love him. Who has long passed from this earth. I'm betting, it's real hard for you to tell someone you love them and mean it. You may have, NEVER told someone you love them. Is this true?
What a bunch of objective truth telling! Thank you Michael Shermer, et al!😉!
"This is a special way of being afraid
No trick dispels. Religion used to try,
That vast moth-eaten musical brocade
Created to pretend we never die" - Philip Larkin
Any evidence for this.
Tbf you can’t prove heaven doesn’t exist
So Glad that no gods are real 😊😊
Taken from Carl Sagan's book Demon Haunted World. Fantastic book by the way. Highly recommended.
You believe in demons, but what about God, could you explain
@@Whatever-w9c Who said I believe in demons? LMAO 🤣 They are as fictional as all gods, angels and other make believe characters. Try and live in the real world. 🌎
@@Whatever-w9c BTW, his book isn’t about demons. You should get a copy and read it.
Okay then, you don't believe in demons or any gods, I myself was atheist but I became christian and I've studied all religion but I'm christian instead trust me God is as real as you and me, how about you throw away that book of yours and grab a bible
@@Whatever-w9c I did. Then I threw the Bible away too 😂
Are there humans on other planets. in other solar systems? Are there supernatural forces at work ?
Neither of these questions can be currently answered with the available telescopes and spectrum analysers et al.
and no conclusion can be made from not knowing something. you need to know something to draw a conclusion.
The most religious people I've met were the most judgemental. My own mother used to berate us with a rosary in her hand then call us b*tches in the middle of a Hail Mary. It was immoral of society to cram this imaginary God and Jesus down my throat. It made me believe then get left to deal with it alone. Nobody ever walked beside me or carried me during my woes. Instead of preaching a false religion, how about just raise better people?!
a perfect explanation of the rebuplican party and the overall conservative movement
I don't know how anyone can believe that a world where you loose everyone you love, and where the vast injustices and inequalities will nerver be undone is "a wonderfull truth". Only people who have weak emotional ties to others and live a privileged lives can adhere to this philosophy while staing sane and happy (no insult meant to those atheist who are deeply depressed).
Preference doesn't change reality. Sure, I'd love for there to be an afterlife but "I want there to be an afterlife so I don't lose stuff and people when I die" isn't evidence that there is an afterlife
People can live full and content lives and foster strong and meaningful relationships with others without ever having to be concerned with a god that nobody can even demonstrate exists. Atheists aren't depressed, at least not any more so that theists, and to suggest that they are is really weird.
Why is it so hard to spell “lose”?
I am criticizing the channels name. I you believe in the idea that life is a kind of natural mindless hell than at least be honest and call it this way and not "wonderfull truth".
@@nikorn24 People can ignore the reality, that for example we are continously exploiting weaker nations and the weakest inside that nations to keep our lifestyle running. Or in other words: if you are good in ignoring inequality and the suffering of others you can be happy here - temporarily.
So, there is no God: right? All that is in the universe happened just by accident: Right? Oh yes! The great accident! The great explosion, the big bang! So, we are to believe that we got all of this diversity, all of this splendor, all of this detail, and everything that we see in nature is here because of a cosmic accident? So, we got this extreme and complex order that we see in the universe and in nature out of Chaos? Everything was creating itself over time: right? Everything just started happening and coming to life. A rock gradually changes into something else and that something else becomes something else and on and on and on. All of this happened all by itself: right? I do not have faith enough to believe that drivel. When you make a car, you find and gather get all the parts together and you assemble it. It then becomes an existing, complex, and detailed object. What have you done? You have created something. The parts of the car did not just sit there -wherever they were- waiting to come together all by themselves. Did they grow legs, walk and assemble themselves? You cannot get order from Chaos. That is a universal law. God is a reality! Take the Human body: It is so complex and detailed. They are trying to create fake humans now. They will never achieve it. Oh, they may have a hint of a facsimile. But what are they trying to do? They are trying to CREATE! Where did we get that nature and desire to create from? God is a reality! Everything that he has said would happen in the last days is happening. Jesus is about to return. You can be saved today! Pray this prayer with me: "Lord Jesus; I know that you are about to return. forgive me, and come into my heart, and I will follow you always" If you prayed that prayer with me, you are a precious child of God! Tell someone what you have done. You just might see that follow your example. John 03:16-17 God is love! 1 John 04:08 .
false dichotomy, yawn. your arguments are so empty it is laughable. the origin of the universe is not known.
ignorance is bliss
Wow. What's it like to be you. Wow.
You can't talk to morons, they just want to drag you down.
I think that the greatest criticism that may be made of religion in general is that it requires believers to have unevidenced faith in its dogmata and revelations, rather than thinking rationally. The reasons for this are obvious: rationality is at odds with religious belief. But by accepting faith as a way of thinking, it then becomes available for co-option in quite different situations. It is epistemically indefensible, and a lazy way of thinking that lends itself to manipulation by demagogues pushing agendas that on greater reflection could be seen for what they are; perversions of justice, compassion, and human decency.
This irrationality allows the faithful to disregard the misfortunes of others, because they believe them to be undeserving, their god or spirits having willed it so. It allows them to disregard the role of chance in life, and so believe the wealthy to be deserving. False beliefs lead to bad decisions, such as, when theists vote against progressive social policies because they believe their good fortune is due to their god's blessing, and the less fortunate are undeserving.
Furthermore, various religions or sects validate discrimination or oppression against people who don’t share their beliefs, resulting in sectarian violence, even wars. It’s also problematical that some people believe in objective morality, and that its source is to be found in an ancient text. The morality on display is, necessarily, primitive and rebarbative. Moral philosophy has moved on since then, making our world a better place, despite the efforts of religious adherents. Compare the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights with the Ten Commandments. According to my values, religion does far more harm in our modern world than good.
I remember crying out to jesus to show me some kind of sign thats he's the son of god praying and praying because i was losing my faith he never did answer me i stop believing once i realized the bible have no orginals manuscript they are just copies of copies with mistakes and errors in them
Amen.
The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Read it.
Ya, that invisibility feature is an issue, isn't it?
Does your invisible dragon help you to know things in advance? Mine does. And yes, I can feel our Divine Father-friend's love, at one point, really powerfully. But wait, you can't measure it, so that entitles you to dismiss it, right? No worries, nothing you can say will prevent me from continuing to feel it. (But if you knew what it felt like, you'd be really jealous 😡.) But, whatever you do, do not read The Urantia Book. At least, not if you're invested in your non-belief.
Yes, we atheists understand the unfalsifiability of religious faith. Science is falsifiable, and that's why scientists and secularists can accept anything once it's supported by verifiable and testable evidences. Atheists like myself do not say that god DOES NOT exist for this very reason. There is no verifiable or testable evidence that it does not exist. Hence mine is an empty stance. Basically I have no FAITH that god exists. You do. That's the main difference between you and me.
"Did you love your father?" asked Palmer. "Yes" answered Ellie. "Prove it" said Palmer. "......" Cricket.
That is a pretty good metaphor, but there's still the problem of the fact that we or anything exists. Something put all this here, and whatever it is probably wouldn't exist in it. It's naive to think a creator would be bound by or exist in its creation. It seems even more naive to believe everything has just always existed on its own accord.
The fable of God originated before we had any idea how vast the universe is, how old the universe is , what makes the sun radiate, or what other planets in our solar system are like.
People long worshipped the sun, when it is really just a dead, fusing sphere of hydrogen and helium. God would have had to create a septillion stars and planets, not just Earth. Yet this amazing "God" created mostly planets that are hopelessly barren and hostile to life. God would have had 14 billion years to bring an end to to suffering and flaws of his creation, yet despite his supposed power and perfection, has not done so.
The concept of "God" is pitifully naive, backward and superstitious. The human race should be embarrassed that the belief persists.
At least you use the only good argument against god
why do you seem to have so much hate in your heart? I understand completely where you are coming from, but please try to convey your opinions in a manner that shows kindness.
"God" is all powerful, until sn atheist asks him to prove that power. Christians always run to the verse that says "you shall not test your God". A very smart move by the Bible authors.
But when you realize that in the same book, many people have "tested God and he showed up", you realize that it's all BS.
Your consciousness is invisible and cannot be measured
It's crazy how this world has come jesus Christ the son of god a perfect being died for our sins and yet we still deny him and the things In this world murder, rape, homosexuality and more but don't be mad when our heavenly father comes Back FOR HIS children
Homosexuality is not comparable to those other things. Being gay hurts no one.
I do not understand the thought process of putting murder and rape in the same intensity level as someone being homosexual. Like what?
Murder, rape, adultery, slaughter, slavery -- sorta like what's in the bible. And it certainly is.
In the study of Western philosophy, some non biblical Greeks believed in a monotheistic God or creator. Don't have to be a Jew or Christian to believe. You can be a philosopher
God sure is talked about a lot for being just an imaginary being......We can't stop talking about him why is that??
Because 70% of the world has societies built on the idea of a god.
@@CactusCowboyDan Or maybe God is inside of us all and we all have a relationship with God whether we like it or not... God has always been and will always be and no matter who you are he is there with you and if you're truly honest you always have and always will think about God at times in your life and that's not a bad thing it's a humbling thing
@@tommykukulka7811 If someone was born on an island with no religion or concepts of a god. They would not be talking about him. It’s only because we have societies built on the god delusion that it’s a hot topic to talk about. (Despite there being absolutely no evidence of a god to speak of)
You only think you have a relationship with this imaginary person, because you were manipulated and influenced by religious societies into thinking that you do. And therefore we all do. Which isn’t true unless you can prove god to be real.
It’s useful to remember that nobody is born a believer. Everyone is born an atheist. And then we grow up being taught bible stories. And if we question the teachings of religion we are alienated and outcasted.
@@tommykukulka7811 i rather go to hell that pray for eternity with someone that think killing homosexuals is right,that if you are a woman and got raped you gotta marry the guy and cant divorce him because i say so,killed literally the entire world because of something his fault,curse us for something we didn't do, created evil knowing the consequences that will have on the world and let a lot of innocent people suffer because of a stupid test he already know the answer to is that enough to not like him ?
@@tommykukulka7811he wrote the laws of morality on our hearts brother.
Our role is to obey and have true faith in God, not question or deny him. Religion makes you a better, grateful, selfless person. Our creator is amazing. He asks so little of us but he deserves so much more praise than he asks us for.
First sentence--an abusers true Zen.
You should reread that
Amen ❤️❤️🙏
Religion makes you a better, grateful, selfless person, so is that why prisons are so full of religious people?
Which of the 10,000 gods should I obey? 🙄🤡
I believe because millions died to keep a person named Jesus in our history. I have a hard time believing that millions and millions of people died for an illusion
Millions of Hindus died fighting against Muslims. Probably (most likely) with the same wars millions of Muslims died on the other side.
What does that prove?
Give prayer a Intelligent chance., by believing that what you prayed for will come to pass. Especially if it's something God also wants for you. Ask yourself is this the will of God,? Then pray.
Is starvation, abuse, neglect, and torture the will of a god?
I know he doesn’t exist cuz he told me so😂
idk cuz he told me he was real and he told me when my cousins where coming over and got it correct. There is alot of philosophical arguments for god. I dont think you tried that much.
Or more like playing baseball without a bat or a ball! I have faith I’m holding an invisible bat and the pitcher is throwing an invisible ball!
What's NOT imaginary? Considering that experience is the mother of illusion.
Right, right, right ...
God is "imaginary" only because atheists tell us that God is imaginary.
So what else is new?
Yes. They are basically saying we believe in things without evidence (defining our position for us). So the appropriate response would be to say that atheism is the stupid belief that there is no God. Define their position for them. They also talk about using logic. You can't prove logic. Must be something they believe in without evidence.
@@MAC_Productions - In effect, atheists demand the sort of proof which they themselves are unable to supply with regard to God. They say God doesn't exist. But can they prove it? No, of course not. I can make my claims without defining their position for them. After all, the definition of atheism is quite clear, and it needs NO clarification from those atheists.
@MAC_Productions - In effect, atheists demand the sort of proof which they themselves are unable to supply with regard to God. They say God doesn't exist. But can they prove it? No, of course not. I can make my claims without defining their position for them. After all, the definition of atheism is quite clear, and it needs NO clarification from those atheists.
@@scotthullinger4684 Yes. This whole video was just defining our position for us and then tearing it down. Classic strawman
@@MAC_Productions - But are we surprised? Not me -
your God would be the devil? because he doesnt want his children believing in God. Genesis 3:3but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’ ” 4“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. 5“For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”… Basically,contradict what God says and doubt. There is no consequences but instead embrace the human freedom to be your own god and seek science and your own search for "wisdom".
So who lied?
@@Sue-xv8os the devil lied because although we gained more forbidden knowledge,we still die.he said we could have it both without believing in God and God's words. Belief in God and following His instruction is what is truth and saves us from spiritual death. We are to live by trust in God.
@@Elvengem If you believe the serpent was the "devil", then your god was the liar.
@@Sue-xv8os then you like the serpent rather than the Creator.
@@Elvengem At least serpents are real.
Everyone has the right to believe in what they want to believe in, it is their privilege.. BUT ! if I said that I have an imaginary friend named Jerry everyone is quick to judge me but if I say that I believe in God it is quite the different story , it is unfortunate that religious societies have brain washed humanity for control and power.
Comparing god to an invisible dragon is pretty stupid. The definition of god as we understand is the ultimate cause of the universe, the unmoved mover. The dragon doesn't fit the kind of one complete necessary God criteria. If God created the natural world, then how could you ever use natural tests and experiments to judge whether something outside of it exists? The dragon has some explaining to do, as why it is a dragon, and why it's cold blooded, and why it's literally invisible and right there sitting in a garage. The argument for god is that there is just a final being that is above all causes. That's what almost all God's existence arguments try to give sufficient evidence or proof for. I want to hear a good response to things like where the laws of the universe came from and why they're like this, like gravity, the speed of light, elements, and everything that works in such specific ways. If there doesn't need to be a necessary being, then why does anything exist? None of it is necessary, therefore shouldn't exist, what I mean is that things exist and most people believe they exist for a reason, or they just have no idea. But if there's a reason for everything existing the way it does and why, then that answer has to be something outside of the natural world itself, because you can't just keep regressing and regressing for a reason from natural causes. Then the guy says that since the Theistic argument is that the universe is complex, there must be a god, but WAIT, god's also complex.. so there must be a designer for him! No. The only reason the argument from design or complexity works is because the universe is not self sufficient. Evidence is that the big bang was the point when the universe began. The universe is NOT a necessary being who has a mind of it's own to create other things, The universe is obviously a creation because it lacks all of these and isn't The cause of everything. Since our claim is that god is the cause of everything complex. He has to be complex as well, but he is the finale complex thing, along with everything else he is the master of. All I've heard everyone say is "I don't know." Where did consciousness come from? Where did the rules of the universe come from? How are we even able to think? And if we can't really think and don't have free will, why are we able to think about us not being able to think? What would be the difference in the first place? There are so many unanswered questions that can't be answered with science and so many problems with just believing you're here for no reason whatsoever and we just popped out of nothingness. Why would nothingness create something? There's absolutely zero reason for it to happen and no explanation. It's honestly stupidity that people claim god is just 'imaginary.' I mean everything is imaginary, it's all in our head. But to decide as your final answer that we all came from nothing is not very scientific, and I know atheists can't do much about it when confronted with SO many of these problems. And since at some point you either have to stubborn, or accept that there at least is some finale cause outside of the natural world then you might start to think that this thing created it all for a purpose, because it caused it all, with such precision too. I think that god sometimes does influence our experience in life though, NOT to get us what we want, but to get us closer to him. We were all created to know god, that's why so many religions thinking of godlike figures have always existed. The people have always wanted to go in that direction. So what happens? Revelation.
You bizarre little Ghost Worshipping freaks are great entertainment.
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THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS !!!!!!!!!!!!
@@bully3808god bless you
I actual didn't watch the video because I don't need to, at the age of 5 years I was in a situation that even at that tender age I felt only God will help, immediately I prayed my prayer was answered. A few weeks later a shining being appeared and spoke to me. The most frightening encounter was when I was 4 years old, I decided to create a small being of mud just as I'd heard God had done to create us, having formed my little man of mud, I began to blow breath over his nostrils. 3 breaths in, a voice asked me "How will you look after him"? a huge sense of responsibility overwhelmed me and I was afraid.
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I'd have to say I'm not a believer...i experienced it...n now I will never walk the world in darkness...many blessings 🙏🙏
Classic cult member talk.
@@snowflakemelter1172 haven't been to church in decades...but I guess I once thought like u.... best wishes 😊
@@LuisHernandez-bh8cgi think they were mistaken. I think they meant hive mind. Which is probably worse than a cult. Not sure how you could be into that, but to each their own
Nobody knows what happens.
What has created all of this is not a religion it’s just is and we have to ----?
"But there must be some entity that created those other universes." Yeah, but that isn't *your* god, is it?
Believers believe that their beliefs are evidence.
2400 god's in the encyclopedia of gods. The newest one is put in capital as if it's the only one.
Why you are imagining that God is an imagination
I have studied religion and researched religion, watched debates and discussions on both sides of the issue and there are numerous arguments for and against the existence of an all knowing, all seeing, all powerful god that doesn’t occupy space or time. For me, with all the intellectual arguments aside; I simply can believe in and live my life in accordance with standards created by man on behalf of an entity that I have never seen; heard and who has not made an effort to show its existence in over 2000 years. Do I believe many concepts of man made Christianity are good standards to live by? Yes. But I will not live my life with the belief that I’m someone’s sheep and that I could live forever if I pronounced to other humans that I have the same faith as they do. And if, at the end of the day, if I’m wrong, than it’s reasonable for me to be wrong because, again, “God” chose to never prove his existence to me and gave me enough intelligence to not believe an entire supernatural ideology of life on pure faith and hope.
>claims God did not show a sign of himself in the last 2000 years
>eucharistic miracles
@@planteruines5619 And how are we supposed to verify those supposed miracles to see if they really occurred, and if they come from your invisible god?
Jesus power ❤ starts now
That's a bare assertion logical fallacy 🤦♂️
I have no argument.. just proof now how strong it's needed or price is up to the receiving
@@raya.p.l5919 I doubt you have any verifiable evidence, let alone enough to constitute proof
@@drsatan9617
Precisely once u read this
@@raya.p.l5919 what about it?
I read it. Now what?
What would be the point of an almighty creator letting us know of his existence, yet preventing us from knowing anything more about it?
It would make sense to refrain from telling people anything at all. It would make sense to watch from the shadows. It would make and to do and say absolutely nothing at all. It would make this much sense in order to gauge man's suitability for what comes next.
Anything else makes no sense at all.
Wha?
Well THAT made no sense at all. It’s dishonest to pretend we can figure out the motivations of a god we have no evidence exists. It’s nonsense. First show it’s possible that such a thing exists.
What a shame that your views of a hiding, silent god are let down by god taking such an active part in our history. A tiny part of our history anyway.
Or are the active participation parts, so religious texts, every miracle, every personal relationship people claim to have with god, are they all false?
I'm fine with all the things in above paragraph being true, I personally don't believe any of them, but if they're all lies, then why waste your time thinking there's a hiding, silent god, there's no point in it, you might as well say there's a hiding, silent unicorn, or a hiding silent tea pot, or a hiding, silent anything. One is as good as the next, and all equally likely to exist.
@@judyives1832 wonder if believers are getting tired of trying to prove gawd. ( ✝️ : you non believers and your prove gods real nagging and obsession)
Why does God exist?
Puff the magic dragon. 😊
Eternal life is knowing the Father God and He's love. Yup His presence, i look at the stars and i know there is a God who created it all. You preach your gospel why? For what purpose, to educate? why, we spread the good news so people can receive love, joy and peace. You preach emptiness, hoplessness, no purpose, nothing.
Bro called His channel "the beautiful truth"🤓🤡 it's more like "the beautiful cap"👍🏼
God is not real stop being delusional
And don't upvote your own comments.
@@starofjustice1 alright, sry
God is real
@@OliverGwer-yq7lhprove it
The books are very real, the people who read the book and are influenced by it also are but the history inside of its just a inspirational tale for life so I think reading can make you a better person and can create a good place to be part of.
I take it that you have not actually read your book.
Get back to me in a thousand more years and a thousand more theories have failed and a thousand more mathemagical equations are invented and you still can't explain these things. Oh ye of little faith.
It's a harmless enough delusion if you keep it to yourself.
This dragon-in-the-garage thing is laughably absurd as an attempt to refute religious belief.
Imagine you're playing a computer game and in the computer game is a garage. Do you look for the game designer who wrote the game (the creator of the game world--god in this analogy) in the garage inside the game world? No. The game world is a construct--a creation of someone who is outside the world of the game and cannot be contained in the game itself.
If I were to enter a game world using a VR headset, would I expect to see evidence in the game world of the game designer? No. I could not find any in that world. The fact that a game world exists is evidence of a game designer! I don't need to meet the designer to know that "Cyberpunk 2077" was made by someone. When a complex game world somehow writes itself from nothign, I'll believe this universe put itself together from nothing.
A painting is evidence of a painter. It's that simple. A painter doesn't plaster himself into his own painting just to make sure people realize he's the one who made it.
WHO CARES. Say there is a Sky Fairy, it has to be the MOST EVIL, PSYCHO. NO THANKS.
I agree.
I think it's also fair to say that the power of prayer is also imaginary. People say they pray and then God acts on or ignores their prayer. But, if the desired outcome they prayed for comes true, they immediately assume that God did it. Which means THEY have access to the power of God. THEY have the power of God. Which, on its face, seems rather absurd and delusional.
I guess prayer is no different from a mantra or a sutra. It seems like prayer changes the person's mindset, but it doesn't reach out to any cosmic super beings.
@@OmegaWolf747 Yes. It’s like prayer, mantras, etc. are ways of psyching themselves into a new thought or action. Which anyone can do without appealing to an outside source.
Absolutely. Also, prayer is an expression of doubt. If God is omniscient, he should know what you need, so you shouldn't have to pray. Unless God just likes to watch you beg for it.
It’s all within you, people just don’t know it. They search for happiness, it’s not something you can find. It’s you…
Of course prayer is imaginary. All prayers to a god are "answered" in one of three basic ways, Yes, No, or Wait. You will get one of these same three answers by praying to a box turtle, a tuna fish sandwich, or a 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge (my personal deity of choice!). Anyone saying otherwise isn't being honest.
Floaty man whos all loving gets pissy about fruit tree that he created so he damns all mankind for something they werent present for
Was this a question or a statement?
You can't win a debate with someone who can never admit they were wrong, can never perform a real experiment and always has the "magic" wild card ready.
Narcisissists never admit they are wrong - and - we put them in charge?
This would be true if your entire comment didn't smell of strawmanning. Most theists don't just go "God did it." Most theists actually present logical arguments that people such as Dan Barker don't engage with. This channel caters to atheism. He doesn't show the responses of the theists and its mad annoying.
@MAC_Productions if thiests proof is citing versus out of your story book, "claiming" eyewitnesses as proof, promising prophecies that havnt and/or will not hold up and just straight out try to disprove science is any kind of "proof" religion can use, then you have no idea what real evidence is to prove religion
"Religion Poisons Everything" - Christopher Hitchens
It still continues to poison everything.
The hearts of men poison everything, what does religion have to do with bad people doing bad things?
@@Mindofchange.1when you think your religion is better than others it creates problems
Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, URSS, China...
@@Mindofchange.1 good people do good things, bad people do bad things, bad people do good things! But to get GOOD people to do BAD things, you need religion.
Critical thinking and religion don't mix well together. Nor with cults.
That's because people who claim to be critical thinkers are nothing but obedient sheep to the religion of "science".
Like the Republicans.
Religions are cults.
I agree. I mixed religion and critical thinking and I got apple pie. Then I only focused on critical thinking. Which lead me to the correct religion.
there is very little difference between a cult and a religion, a cult is merely a small religion, especially if you get into the fundamental religious side of things, they act very cult-like, though all religion has cult mentality and cult roots.
Then we have new-age religions which are modelled on cults, Scientology as a perfect example.
What an absolutely perfect metaphor.
But also, what a tragedy that even in 2024 there are people who actually believe in that kind of nonsense.
And many use it to make themselves feel better when doing bad things.
They act like rotten people and then go to church to pray, thinking that such an act clears their soul of their "sin".
Which mean, they can do it again, and again, and again, and never have to change their scummy behavior, because they can just go to church, and ask for forgiveness,
not from the people they hurt, but from some imaginary sky daddy.
Some members of my family are like that, and I can tell you, it makes them worse as people than they would be without it.
This is exactly why I converted to LaVeyan Satanism at the age of 21.
"Which mean, they can do it again, and again, and again, and never have to change their scummy behavior, because they can just go to church, and ask for forgiveness..."
This doctrine is extremely wrong and whoever thinks that the grace of God is a permit to sin all you want as long as you repent, then please do not see God in them, for He is surely NOT IN THEM.
@@juanranger4214
Of course "He" is not in them. (He's not in anybody.) But some people - and I've heard them say this - do little things their conscience knows is wrong because then they can go to confession to clear their conscience because they've been forgiven. Obviously that's not the way it's supposed to work, but it's used as an excuse to not hold themselves accountable.
But that's one of the least detrimental practices of an over all psychologically unsound belief system.
Yet, religion still seems to be the main retainer for people to commit evil.
@@derreckwalls7508 I know Jesus is Lord because of His miracles and signs that He put in my life. I did not "label" God as Jesus, but rather this God that led me to that name and called him "my son". Know that He is trustworthy and the fountan of all peace and life can ONLY come from Him. Trust in Him, recieve His Holy Spirit and you will not be ashamed.
The lord works in mysterious ways is the perfect catch-all phrase for whatever the outcome is
I guess it’s just a little bit better than saying “Charles Darwin evolves in calculated ways” to someone who’s just been diagnosed with cancer.
Unless it's a true catch all lol
@@Jagrio dumb comparison...
@@Jagrio what a stupid statement...
@@owenallen5733 LMFAO! Suuure.
Just make shit up as you go.
What a fcuking joke!
There is no god.
Deal with it.
No doubt humanity would do a lot better if we give up all those iron-age or even stone-age religions!
Thank you for this excellent video!!! 👍👍👍
No, there is no evidence that religion causes any harm. Zoroastrianism, a bronze age oral tradition, is the first humanist tradition, and denounces ritualism. It is also implicitly egalitarian and socialist, and even spawned the first communist movement, Mazdakism. Communism is what we need to save us from the oppression of the west.
you are so wrong , just look outside to see everything decaying
More Iron Age.
We are lot better off than any time in history, why is it say the 1800s things were sobad yetmost belivex in god amd why japan with almost no Christians they have low crime snd murder rates, should they not be in chaos, also many European nations with low crime and high education and high levels of happiness yet are going away from Christianity @@planteruines5619
You’re right, the world is a better place now that women can be men, men can be women and compete in the Olympics against actual women etc.
If we really and truly lived in a universe with a tri-Omni god who loves us and cares for our well being, Heaven would be unnecessary.
He got really pissy about that fruit tree. He wanted the fruits all for himself. Adam and Eve eating just one of them was enough for him to punish humans for eternity. Wanker.
Says what? Do you have another God to compare it too? There could be many reasons heaven is nessassary
@@dani4157 There are plenty of gods, equally real, to compare to. Heaven cannot be necessary if it doesn't exist, and there is zero evidence that it does, just stories.
@@Spiritof_76 If they are just stories then you have zero Gods to compare the biblical God to and say that if God was good there wouldn't need to be heaven. That's just another story you have made. You have no idea that if the biblical God was true heaven would be unnecessary. There could be plenty of reasons it is. Just as my thoughts on how the Greek Gods would or wouldn't act if they were real, wouldn't mean anything if the source documents say otherwise and I had no way to prove my thoughts. And at the end of the day I would have more reason to believe the biblical version of a good God over yours just by quickly looking at the world. Evil exists, the bible has reasons for that, your version of this good God would contradict my surroundings so it can be dismissed
@@dani4157 I can compare Cpt Kirk to Cpt Picard. I can compare Tarzan to Conan. I can compare Yahweh to Zeus or Odin. You missed the point the original comment was making, and just went off on a theistic rant. Get some perspective.
Evil is a term humans use to describe things we oppose or dislike strongly. They are often the same behaviors we see in the animal kingdom and just call "nature." But when humans do them to each other we affix morality and some people externalize the causes and declare them to be evil.
We were intentionally created imperfect and then blamed for being imperfect. Now we are saved. The end.
We live in a fallen sinful disease ridden world. Of course bad things happen. The Bible explains all of this stuff.
@@L3thal_01no not really because you weren't intentionally created imperfect, humans were created in God's image
@@torturetuesday5191 Slaved obey your masters?
@@torturetuesday5191 Why did God make the world this way. Jesus died for our sins, yet we are born with sin. How did we sin in the Womb? Why would God make us imperfect. That makes no sense. Wouldn't a God make us perfect and able to live and mix with each other without the need for wars, slavery, racism, bigotry, Paedophiles, mental illnesses, cancer, hate, disease etc. Why do we have to pray to a God every day to make the God happy. And out of the 4000 religions on this planet, which religion is the real one. If God created the Universe, filled it with all the planets, stars, galaxies and all the other stuff that makes up a Universe, but only have us in the Universe. That makes no sense. If he created life on other planets, why have us so far apart we cannot contact the other life.
@@BatMan-oe2ghhe gave us free will
The question of who or what created the universe is currently an unknown, maybe another universe that creates universes just as ours creates galaxies. But religions argue that God must have created that universe because they insist on applying the primitive concept of religion to fill in the gaps in science about things we don't yet know, or haven't discovered, and so on. However, by reversing that same argument on religions, we could just as easily ask, then who created God and why, and who created them, etc. In the 21st century we need to move past this medieval delusional concept of filling gaps in scientific discovery with theological excuses, which are no more believable than fairies, gremlins, bogeymen, hobgoblins, the Easter bunny, or Santa Claus (spoiler alert).
@theclocker7406 You claim that you can reverse the question by saying,"Who created god?" That doesn't work,guy. Whether there is a god has no dependency upon him having to be created. You can't demand that god had to have been created! That does absolutely nothing to bolster your atheistic inclination. You don't even realize that your view inevitably leads to the supernatural while trying so hard to disparage belief in such! How does atheistic views lead to the supernatural? The universe clearly exist. Therefore it exist somehow. 1. It ___without cognizance, without consciousness _____willed itself into existence ? 2. It MUST HAVE always existed? That's actually not science/ natural. So despite your desperation at avoiding the supernatural _____welcome to it! Or please tell me all the ways through which option one or two is natural? Case closed.
Oh dear, you’ve really missed the point here. I could not disagree more. Your reply came across as a wee bit arrogant and presumptuous. I’ve never believed in the concept of religion; it’s an archaic construct and I struggle to believe how any intelligent person ever could believe in. Equally I’ve never believed that the supernatural is anything but old stories and folk tales, never have. Now, you made a claim that God has no dependency on having to be created, but I’d like to turn the tables on that religious viewpoint by asking if God is supposed to exist, then where did he actually come from, i.e. how did he come into being in the first place, and what existed before he apparently popped out of nowhere? Then I could ask what created the existence, dimension, alternative reality, call it whatever you like, that God existed in before he got starting with making stuff; and what’s with all the other billions of galaxies then? How does religion explain them? And so on, because these are the exactly the kind of questions that religion loves to try and wriggle out of. It’s like the guy in the video talking about the invisible dragon was saying. And that was all there was to my comment, so I feel you have rather missed my point, unfortunately. I hadn’t meant to be confusing. Incidentally, I’ve never believed that the universe has always existed, because that makes no scientific sense whatsoever. The notion that the universe ‘willed’ itself into existence is equally ridiculous; I was just referencing some of the ideas being put forward in the discussion within the video. And btw, I’m not feeling or expressing any kind of desperation about anything here; your presumption about that actually made me laugh, it was so way off! Sorry, no offence.
spoiler alert probably should come before the spoiler!
@@theclocker7406 Humans by our very nature are curious. We ask where, when, why, what, and how. Science can’t offer an intelligent answer to these questions. Science in fact doesn’t provide any answers…scientists do and they interpret the data with a bias or open mind. The advancement in science started in the 16th and 17th century with religious students. There was no a conflict regarding God and science. Through the years some scientists grew tired of God being in science. They thought religion had no part in the scientific community. There was a movement to kick God out of science. Darwin is probably the best well known. He had an anti-God agenda and it gathered support throughout the science community. He made many assumptions and passed them off as facts. Neil Degrasse Tyson is an intelligent man , but when he makes a statement that we are all made of star dust, he loses credibility. The truth is many scientists are already bias to a point of view. Dawkins is so desperate for answers that he’ll say we were created by aliens. Then begs the question , who created the aliens and so on. Many of the well known mainstream scientists have no credibility as far as I’m concerned. To me it makes sense to believe in an all intelligent powerful force, who transcends space, time and matter. With this view I have understanding of the history of the world. I’m not saying I have all the answers, but many things make sense because I look through a different lens than most people.
@@BirdOnDrums opps, sorry, your quite right.
I put my belief in science ,not faith in the unproven. Logic over fantasy.
Science doesn't rely on logic. It relies on the scientific method. Logic is actually a part of filosophy and it's far from a great tool for establishing objective truth. Logic is actually very subjective.
That is religion lmao the globe earth lies really got to you. maybe go take experimental vaxx lmfao
You are erroneous in assuming that it is one or the other..
@Toto-cl8rw. You don't put your faith in the unproven? Sounds good. Unfortunately, let's see how veracious it is. Here's the problem with the atheistic view. The universe exist, no denying that! So it either has ALWAYS EXISTED or MERELY came into existence. Of those two options, which one is natural? Which one is proven? I don't think I have to answer that question! Since neither option is natural you are inextricably tied to a supernaturality. So a supernatural cause exist with a mind (god) or a supernatural cause exist WITHOUT a mind. But you can always tell me how the universe came into existence through some natural causality. I truly want to see your answer.
Well then u did put faith in unproven coz science does the same too
People who pray can't lose. If they pray for a sick loved one and that person recovers, it is a miracle and God has answered their prayer. If the loved one dies then it was God's will OR God moves in mysterious ways. This is playing tennis without a net.
Or the lord called them home. Right? It is a win win for god either way.
Or worse still, the cause of the death is attributed to the person who prayed because they didn't pray hard enough or they weren't devout enough.
It’s just a way to set intention out into the world. I’d suggest doing this more often organically
@@nicklj2480i feel like God is like A Woman. With all the alimony, child support, emotional support, 🍑🍉
They have a net - they don't have an opponent - their balls never come back.
I was a good person. now I'm homeless. there's no god.
Yeah man, there is no karma. Sorry for you
Prove it
it's right there ---->
@@RB-re8kj ??
those ate question marks
Infuriating how easily dismissible any argument for any known religion is with our current knowledge. And still it's holding us back as a species so much. The same goes for concepts like culture, tradition and nations. We are keeping us from making our planet "heaven on earth" because we can't let go of such things. If anything sets us apart from other animals it's our capacity for spreading joy. This should be the one purpose we give ourselves in our short lives. Then we don't need the delusion of an afterlife.
Let's see. Dragons aren't real so God isn't real" dismisses any argument for any known religion? Maybe in your mind, but that's just wishful thinking on your part. Science doesn't dismiss the possibility of God; in fact it seems to point to a Creator who exists outside of the laws of nature. Religion is not the author of criminal behavior, birth defects, pandemics and other diseases, death, nor natural disasters. It merely explains why these things are. It's impossible to have heaven on earth because these things will always exist.
There can be no Heaven on Earth, because the designs of men always come to ruin. History bears this out. Relying on humanity to create a paradise is a fool’s errand.
@@BPond7 we absolutely have the capacity to make a heaven on earth. Of course, we also have the capacity to advance the current mass extinction event which is our doing and probably wipe our species out along with it. As of now, the latter is the more likely outcome, I agree with you there. But we could do differently, and that's what is so frustrating. It's a complete 180, sure. We'd basically have to completely rethink our whole society. No more religions, no more nations, a new social and economic system and no more exploitation of our fellow animal species. It is thinkable, it would be awesome - but a catastrophic collapse is more likely because most people are too proud and stubborn to let go.
@@BPond7 of course, we are still at the mercy of the universe. No matter what we do, at some point everything will be gone anyway.
@@gizmomckopp1131we are the universe
For all know this in the Bible GOD said "Evidence of GOD is of ALL things we see & know that exist for shall be NO Excuse for anyone". This means ALL KNOWLEDGE GOD IS REAL & EXIST REGARDLESS WHAT WE THINK & Believe . For the only imaginary is our LACK of Knowledge of GOD & His Word Jesus in bible for example "GOD said we do Not make images of what you think is of GOD" This means we do not make pictures because we think or some church thinks GOD is some old white men as in post. For the Bible in Daniel & in Rev " For His Word Jesus has skin color bronze/copper with hair WOOL". This means A CHURCH of GOD should not send pictures 24/7 of Jesus was some white man with long hair looking soft & gay like while knowing a Lie matter to God & His Word Jesus. This also means a Church shall not send pictures 24/7 for decades Adam & Eve are white people when science has DNA evidence Adam & Eve were black peoples for came out of Africa & All people on Earth came from them they are to stop pictures Mother Mary was white, All Angels of GOD are White to all people in Heaven are white people for makes GOD look of white supremacy in Heaven is wrong & evil to keep doing of.
Funny how religion still to this day cannot prove their claim of truth for their god(s).
And nobody can prove how or why we or the universe exists, what's your point?
@@MrXGamesI agree with your perspective, there is no answer.
There is no truth in religion.
bible codes in isaiah chapter 53?
@@Elvengem the Bible and/or it's "codes" doesn't prove anything but claims of truth that are obviously not in reasoning with logic and common sense. Besides, why would anyone in their right minds believe in something or someone that has been tried over and over again for 2000years+ to be proven true, but still to this day hasn't been.... So in reality, it's more likely it is a bunch of nonsense n foolishness to put a belief system in something like that...correct?
Faith is nothing but a state of mind: utilized to promote peace with love through acceptance, or to promote war with hatred through rejection of the same world we are all living in.
Pretty much... And handed down from generation to generation.
My view is simple. If we accept that the Egyptian, Greek, Roman and Norse Gods are man made, is there any difference with any God(s) that are claimed to be real?
I'd even say the Egyptian sun god Ra, and not the God of the Bible, is the most "real" of all those man made gods. Because the sun, and its life-giving as well as fierce power, IS real after all, so there's at least SOME sort of reality -- or let's say logic -- behind Ra. The God of the Bible is to me the most contradictory, most unplausible, most dubious deity of all.
Bible codes. isaiah 53 yeshua codes. Only one religious book has equidistant letter sequence patterns foretelling the future!
At least the Egyptians, Romans,Greeks and Norse never said,"You MUST believe in OUR gods,or we'll torture you to death!" The Spanish Inquisitions, Witch hunts, annihilation of indigenous people, forced conversion at the point of a sword or guns, etc. So much for "Christian love", right folks? I'll stick with Odin and Thor. Now, let's have another cup of mead!
@@deedeskin2439 The pagan gods were not nice such as the story of how Prometheus for stealing fire and the results of it. There is probably a lot of examples of the pagan gods not being nice to mortals and much of it was a consequence of human pride or ignoring them and their commands,which the gods do not like based on a instinctual reality of man must be grateful to the divine gifts and give back in return some sort of sacrifice or attititude of thankfulness.
At least these ancient gods admitted they were flawed.
Man made god in his own image and likeness !
True. As a child was read tales of magical beings, dragons, witches, gnomes , Aladdin on his magic carpet, etc. Just as I learned these were tales, I later studied Egyptian, Greek , and Roman religions now called myths . Religion of today is the same fantasy, just using different characters, entertaining stories , but another fiction.
A bully and dictator like the rest of the human priest-kings during the childhood of Man.
And the god they created hates everything they hate. What a coincidence.
No.
Can you scientifically prove that?
Maybe zeus did do it 😅
1000s die and one survives its a miracle from God. What a joke.
To believe in a god is beyond stupid. No game of 'Hide And Seek' has lasted this long.
to not believe in God is beyond stupid. God is right in front of us, but we refuse to see Him.
I know right it seems like “God “ is like a deadbeat dad running around hiding from paying his child support, I wonder what ethnicity he must be 🤣
@@jeffreyerwin3665 brother we don’t choose our beliefs or choose what we don’t believe. Some people believe things for good reason and some people believe for not so good reasons such as faith. Faith is not a good avenue for learning what is true.
According to Scripture, "faith" is the first step in learning what is true. One initiates faith by acting as if one had that quality even though one realizes he has none.
For instance, some derelict person asks you for a little money. The one who seeks faith gives some money to that person who, if we were to judge him, would seem undeserving of it. the way to faith is to act as if one had faith. @@stevenkirkpatrick7258
@@jeffreyerwin3665 Mental illness i'm afraid. No other way of describing it. Wanting something to be true doesn't make it true.
There are many people who have become rich preaching the word of God.
But as we all know, rich people will hardly enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Maybe, they don't actually believe what they preach ?
This is a description of god. Collect a rock and write god on it. Put the rock in a box then put the box in a room where it will not be seen or disturbed. Pray and worship to the rock(god) that is hidden in the box in another room. Try this for a year and see if there is any difference from your rock(god) in a box in a room then the paper one from the bible.
If you pray to God to just ask for things then you’re not praying correctly
@@Mindofchange.1 I know how placebos work
All you did was describe idols. God is an eternal, intelligent being who exists independently of time and space and was thus able to create time and space. A rock in a room is bound to the laws of nature.
@@TheMeefive You mean the god that murdered every man, woman and child with a flood while the were still alive, murdered many first born and made mothers eat their children along with many other evil narcissistic malevolent deeds as described in the bible? Yeah, never mess with a 'literal monster', especially one who exists independently of time and space and is invisible.
@@TheMeefivehow was he created?
Makes so much sense to me now that I left Mormonism. These guys rock!!
The English word for "God" comes from the Hebrew word Elohim which means gods. The "gods" that the ancient people worshipped in the beginning were the stars. So the Bible's Genesis 1:1 should have been written as "In the beginning the stars created the heaven and the earth".
Mormonism was made by an atheist or a possessed charlatan pretending to be religious in order to take power of women and money and minds.
@@carerforever2118what the hell does this mean your making zero sense. Because ancient people worshipped the stars the stars are gods? What?
Thank God I'm an atheist.
Very astute!
You will kneel to my God one day soon. I promise you it will be to late for you to repent.
@@conway329 it's just that ...look at all the conflict because of religion 😞
@@NeilLeSheepyEpsteinReligion was keeping me away from God. In my case, Roman Catholic. I had to leave it to eventually know God.
your God would be the devil? because he doesnt want his children believing in God. Genesis 3:3but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’ ” 4“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her. 5“For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”… Basically,contradict what God says and doubt. There is no consequences but instead embrace the human freedom to be your own god and seek science and your own search for "wisdom".
I still wonder as former believer, knowing the terrible, horrible, extremely sad historic events that had continued till now and is continuing why did I ever believed God is Love😅and exists😮
Don't be too hard on yourself. Religion is undoubtedly the most influential and widespread type of brainwashing there is. It's not surprising, considering how deeply rooted it is in our history and engrained into our culture.
God is love
God is also a consuming fire 🔥
@@f3ferret497 What does that even mean, explain yourself please?
1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.
@@f3ferret497 Am I meant to be impressed by this? Or perhaps moved in some way on a spiritual level? These are simply words on a page, extracted from a book. Would you be impressed if I started quoting Shakespeare or referencing Harry Potter?
Carl Sagan said it best when he said. "let's assume that there's a creator that created everything". "and we know this creator as god". "well then we have ask the question who created god"? Carl Sagan was brilliant and his philosophy and concepts were finely honed. and for me he was a real inspiration. and he is greatly missed.
The problem with that assumption is that it limits God to the idea that everything has a beginning. The thing is that everything in time and space seems to have a beginning but if you created time and space, then it just follows that you are not limited to time and space; hence you are eternal. In fact, a god that is limited to time and space is by nature, not God.
@@TheMeefiveIn fact what Carl Sagan said when he said who created god? shows that there's no beginning and no end. because if some entity created god. then something else created that entity. and it goes on and on and on with no end.
@@HarryRenner-h9q However science puts the beginning of the universe at somewhere between 12-14 billion years ago. So are you saying science is wrong and Sagan is right? If so, what do you base your evidence on?
@@TheMeefive
No in fact science is very likely correct. and because of peer review it would be pretty much impossible to dispute it. but it's been established that you can't get something from nothing. so there had be a something there before the universe? that caused the universe to come into being. and as stands currently the best explanation from science is the big bang theory.
@@HarryRenner-h9q Again you are making a statement about things that are bound to space and time. Where did the something that was there before the universe come from? At some point you have to come to something eternal that is not limited to, but exists outside the laws of nature.
I read the Bible, but I’m not religious, I just read it as if you read the Iliad or the odyssey, it’s just interesting
whether or not your a christian its still a cool book
I did as an Ex-Christian several times, and to this day I'm finding so many human errors and holes.
@@JustReed yes ur correct i see errors that christians dont want to admit
@@IbrahimMa786like?😊
The stories are definitely extremely engaging.
It's all based on fear & the unknown.
It’s the Christian cult way…….
We can pre-empt the infinite regress argument with the same ill-logic that religionists use to support god. If one asks, "Then who/what created God?", and the religionist replies, "God does not require a creator", one could retort with, "If God doesn't need a creator, then the Universe doesn't either." There are no rules or logic in these arguments since the concepts and the rules are all invented. Geometry is a logical construct with rules and theorems, but none of them actually exist in reality. Every geometric concept we use in the material world is an approximation, but points, lines, and circles don't actually exist - they are simply ideas. The Bible and religions are full of useful ideas, but we should not extrapolate them beyond their utility.
If this planet is the best their God could find for us then I'm too impressed. There's 2 trillion planets or something and he picks the one that's constantly trying to kill us.
Carl Sagan summed it up “ religion is a belief without any compelling evidence”
GOD DOES EXIST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! …………………………………………………. But ATHEISTS say “(THE EXISTENCE OF) THINGS JUST SO HAPPENS” ………………………………………… Oh, Reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ??? …………………………………………………………….. Given: Ten coins labeled 1 to 10 were put in an opaque container in ASCENDING order. Was shaken to mix all ten coins … Question: What is the chance to RETRIEVE those coins in DESCENDING order - PERFECTLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ??? .................................................. Ai Bing Answer: “The probability of retrieving the coins in PERFECTLY DESCENDING order is 1 in 3,628,800 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ................................................ Summary: While it’s theoretically possible to retrieve the coins in the desired order, the chances of doing so purely by shaking the container are MINUSCULEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Perhaps a magician’s touch or DIVINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE INTERVENTIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN would be needed!" ................................................................................................. And THOSE were ONLY TEN COINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... What the ABOUT OUR MUCH, MUCH MORE COMPLEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX PLANET Earth that REVOLVES around 1) its OWN Axis which Bing Ai Says, “… if you are standing at the Equator-you’d be whirling around at over 1,000 miles per hour due to Earth’s rotation!” ……………………………… 2) Around the SUN, which Ai Bing says, “… Is equivalent to traveling … from London to New York in about 3 minutes” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. And HOW LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG HAS THIS BEEN CONSISTENTLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY GOING ON ??? ……………………………………………….…. For APPROXIMATELY 4.5 BILLIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSS (according to SCIENTISTS) !!! .................................................................. Only the BRAIN DEADDDDDDDDDD or an EVILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL PERSON will ARGUE AFTER REALIZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG THIS -- that there is NO God !!! ............................................................................................................ Praise be the Lord GOD Jesus for PUTTING this SACRED INFORMATION in me !!! ………………………
@@abnerasturias6380 You need to fix that keyboard.
NOW -- THERE ISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!
@@Sue-xv8os Sweetheart, FYI the -- !!! -- means I am SHOUTING to those HARD OF HEARING ... Okedoki ???
@@abnerasturias6380 no there isnnnnnnnt and never will be
All gods are imaginary….all 4,000+ of them!