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Game of Thrones WHAT IF: Sansa Tells on Littlefinger
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- Опубліковано 25 гру 2016
- What IF Sansa Stark tells the truth about Little Finger at the Vale? What would've happened?
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Suggestion: What if Sansa Stark went with the Hound to Winterfell?
this would be a good what if. if she had, Sansa wouldnt have married Tyrion. Sansa would have been reunited with Arya. Arya probably would not have went to Bravos. Sansa would have grown closer to Sandor, possibly fell in love with him. He for sure had a thing for her.
He did this one, but the most likely scenario would have been their capture and Sansa's prompt return to kings landing. One man abandoning the war is one thing. But if he's taking a person of interest who is as identifiable as Sansa, it wouldn't go as easily.
@@eddiegodat8263 sadly the ages are fucked in the show so they couldn't do the whole sansan romance :( not that they're not fucked in the books lmao
She would make it to Riverrun and reunite with her family, just to be later killed during the Red Wedding.
The end.
What if Roose Bolton is killed by Catelyn just before the Red Wedding when she sees the mail ?
What if there's no mutiny at Craster's Keep ?
What if Tyrion and Sansa did it (with full consent) ?
-What if Boromir lived ?-
Hahaha. Yeah we've gotta cut that Boromir one out for sure! Sneaky devil.
I particularly like the mutiny one! Jeor being alive changes stuff for sure, I think,.
Tyrion and Sansa do it? Someone's been reading my fan fiction.
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All non book readers may hate this but Sansa never marries Ramsey and Theon still gets away. And Sansa in the books doesn't motivate Jon but the thought that Arya is at Winterfell is going to make him act. Sansa is important but not that much of a lynchpin, books or show. Jon was destined to take out Ramsey and to find a purpose. Sansa is destined to be a ruler in the North whether she tells on Little finger or not. Telling on him would get him killed and bring about her exposure to the Lannisters. So she would have to deal with that danger.
What if Arya had Tywin killed in Harenhall?
That's a great one! I've got it down!
:)
I just thought about one:what if Sansa Stark lost her "honor" during the riot before being rescued by The Hound
oooh that would be interesting
@@SmilingHoplite tbh that's more about how it would affect sansa psychologically. It'd also probably complicate he betrothal to joffrey but that ends anyway
What if jon takes up stannis' offer to be legitimized as a stark
Hmm. That'd be tough.
The only way I think Winterfell gets taken quickly is if Stannis' army doesn't abandon him AND he gets the wildlings. That's even a stretch, IMO.
that will be so dope
TheBattProductions well how I'd see it happening is jon gets the windings comes back bends knee and this is all if Stan the man is smart and waits, jon convinces them to join Stan, then he goes and gathers more houses expect this time I think the manderlys join and if they join a lot of northern houses join like horn wood cerwyn and others and they take it plus with the help of the vale
TheBattProductions which if the vale helps that's then North vale and storm lands all together which means it could be possible they take everything back but with great loses
@@ElijahBondservantofchrist If Stannis waited for Jon, Stannis would've eventually had 12,000 men with 9,000 of those men being heavy armored cavalry vs 5,000 Boltons and 500 Karstarks and 500 Umbers.
I seriously want to see a video about Baelor Hightower not farting in front of Elia Martell. Basically if he doesn't do that, Oberyn doesn't make fun of him, and Elia ends up marrying him, essentially preventing Robert's Rebellion.
"Had Elia wed him in place of Rhaegar Targaryen, she might be in Oldtown with her children growing tall around her. [Tyrion] wondered how many lives had been snuffed out by that fart."
Lol. I had never heard this before. Leave it to Tyrion to find such a fantastical piece of history.
Sinead O'Connor Robert's rebellion would still happen, Rhaegar still kidnapped Lyanna.
xrx0R 9 I think the key difference is that this time Rhaegar would be spurning Tywin.
OganessonOG Rhaegar still took Lyanna, but, the likelihood then is that Rhaegar would’ve married Cersei instead of Elia. If he did that, then during the war, Tywin would’ve immediately supported the Targaryens instead of later aiding Robert Baratheon. With Tywin’s aid, it’s likely that the Targaryens would have won the war, Robert would have died, Aerys probably would’ve died or been removed from power, and Rhaegar would still sit the throne.
In short: One fart changed the entire fate of Westeros.
@@ajacevedo3 lmao i can't believe that this is true
What if Sansa ends up marrying Loras Tyrell instead of Tyrion?
Garlan Tyrell oh good one Ild say on her way out of kings landing Joffrey either tries to do something terrible to stop them that starts a fight or Tywin and Cerci attempt to kill them on their way back to high garden since Tywin was against this. Either way the Lannisters and Tyrell's would be at each other's throats. Would the purple wedding have still happened?
kaledov it would've been nice to see how that would've played out.
kaledov I don't think that Tywin would have killed them or anything. The reach was supplying so many soldiers and food crops to the Lannisters that Tywin would take one for the team and just be satisfied with Margery and Joffrey. Of course, Sanaa's whole story line is changed completely. Instead of being raped, she probably doesn't have sex at all due to Loras' homosexuality. She would live in relative comfort at Highgarden, surrounded by allies. Joffrey would still die, and Margery would still marry Tommen. Maybe Tyrion wouldn't be blamed? Either way, Loras wouldn't be in Kings Landing during the whole Faith Militant uprising, so he and the rest of the Tyrells would be alive, so Olenna wouldn't ally with Daenerys. This means that Highgarden isn't attacked by the Lannisters, Cersei is still in debt to the Iron Bank, and Dany's invasion is crushed, or isn't at full strength, since the Redwyne's fleet won't be there to ferry her Dothraki across to Westeros. MAYBE (big maybe) she persuades the Tyrells to help take back Winterfell from the Boltons after hearing Jon is alive again (that's a stretch, but it could happen). The Sand Snakes are crushed as Tyrell and Lannister armies take Sunspear, and Euron's fleet could easily blockade Dragonstone. And if Qyburn still builds his scorpion (and makes more than one) they could kill Dany's dragons. Now she is finished, Dorne is finished, MAYBE Jon snow retakes winterfell, MAYBE littlefinger doesn't die after killing Lysa, but he probably will since Sansa isn't there to back him up.
What if Joffrey slapped Tyrion back
What if Prince Oberyn defeated Ser Gregor Clegane aka the Mountain in Tyrion's trial by combat?
What if Theon Greyjoy actually listened to his father? (He still betrays Robb, but doesn't take Winterfell)
What if Renly Baratheon isn't killed by blood magic and sides with Robb Stark's rebellion?
What if Roose Bolton's wife has a girl instead of a boy at Winterfell? Would Ramsay still kill him?
What if Eddard Stark told King Robert Baratheon that his kids were not his kids?
I love watching these videos, man! Keep 'em coming. :)
I've actually done a few of those, Honest Abe! I've done Oberyn, Renly, and sort of the Ned one. You should check them out! (they're all in my WHAT IF playlist)
Lincoln i like the What if Ned had told Robert that his kids weren't his it would of been interesting Tywin Jamie against Robert Ned Stannis would Renly get the Reaches Alliance North Vale Riverlands Stormlands against Tywin he would die
what if robert finds out joff tried to kill bran back at winterfell? or bran remembered that jaime had pushed him?
Nice
I thought that was all Little fingers plan. Thanks for recognizing that, i never knew that.
What if Eddard had accepted Renly's offer back at King's Landing before being taken prisoner?
Little finger sealed his fate by revealing his grand master plan to Sansa.
Sansa is NOW totally against LF and is completely pro-Jon.
Sansa know LF and his control of Robyn.. She was considering marrying her COUSIN to secure the Vale. She doesn't need to do this now as the Lords of the Vale have declared for Jon Snow ... the bastard son of Ned Stark.
Bran was at the Wall before before Daeny sailed to Westeros and was heading hoome.
Arya was at the Twins and heading home.
Mel -- who brought back Jon from the DEAD -- is heading South.
The Hound & Brotherhood are heading North to fight the WW ... and Beric has not giving up his life YET for the Lady of Winterfell.
Jon was made King of the North because he is Ned Starks son.
Jon & Sansa are cousins.
Little Finger is not happy with Jon being the King.
Hmmm? What will he try to do?
Easy.
Ban arrives at Winterfell to tell Jon and Sansa that they are COUSINS.
Sansa will try to arrange a marriage Robyn & Lady Lyanna or an Umber/Karstark to take control away LF.
Out of desperation, LF will accidentally kill Sansa when he was after Jon. LF flees.
Jon is distraught wth Sansa's death and discovers his true feelings for her. He has no Mel to bring her back from the dead.
Arya arrives at Winterfell with Beric and the Brotherhood etc. They know from Mel that Jon was brought back from the Dead and is the chosen one. Beric gives up his life to bring back Sansa from the dead.
Arya pursues LF and kills him.
Jon marries his COUSIN Sansa to remain the King of the North. Both Jon and Sansa have been brought back from death.
It's not a matter of WHAT IF with Sansa. She knows his plans and what he's willing to do to achieve it. Sansa will be seeking to take LF out of the game and in doing so we get LADY STONEHEART and JONSA .... and she becomes a Queen.
She still might. I think that Bran will see him kill Lisa in a vision and then he'll be busted.
W-James I would laugh my ass off if such a meticulous and difficult plan to elaborate is busted just because Baelish had the bad luck of Bran being pushed from a tower XD
W-James yeah I think so too it would be nice for Bran to do that so little finger has to answer for everything he did to all the north man and knights of the vale.
the hound could bust him if he makes it north with the brotherhood.
Absolutely. I don't think it needs to come down to that but it totally could.
Absolutely.
What if Robb Stark bent the knee to Jofry
That One Guy On A Horse NEVER!!
kaledov it's a cool idea though
That One Guy On A Horse I think Joffrey would behead him. Mad king 2.0
Definitely would've changed a lot. It'd be tough to figure out since it would essentially neuter House Stark.
Ah
I re-read book one in the last few days. There's a scene where he talks to his mother in war council, draws his sword, puts it on the table and says, "This is what I think of piece with the Lannisters." Cat also mentions that she and Robb would probably be taken prisoner if the show up and bend the knee to Joff.
Hmm everything checks out! Dammit.. at this point the damage has been done to be fair. Hopefully Little finger crawls a few more steps up the ladder before he has his fall
Pretty much. If you catch Littlefinger earlier than this point of the story, perhaps more would've changed (like the Purple Wedding).
TheBattProductions alot of shit would have changed! To name a few.. joffrey would have still died but Sansa would still be in Kingslanding. Tryion wouldn't have had to have the trial or TBC probably would not of meet up with Danereys. Twyin would of been around abit longer to shut down the High sparrow cersei would still have long hair the Sept doesn't get blown up by wild fire. Mormont wouldnt have gotten grey scale. obyern would be alive might have avenged his sisters death. House martell would be around.
That Jon Snow impression was the best thing I've ever heard
This was a good one. One problem Sansa would have if she outed Littlefinger would be a loss of support. Who would she trust among the Vale lords in his place? One or more of them could sell her out to the Lannisters in a heart beat. This is especially true in the books where Sansa is still in the Vale.
Solid Jon Snow impersonation. :)
I think Sansa likes Littlefinger. Or at least she finds him useful because he is so powerful now. I want her to kill him but I don't think she'll do it until she's really pissed off.
But I do wish Littlefinger's death would be more meaningful than just - Oh! He didn't get his way.
Haha. It's the best I could do. Just be whiny and I have a chance at being accurate!
I think Sansa likes Littlefinger, but is actively fighting it. I really don't think she buys into his BS. I think she's learned the game a little and is understanding that Baelish knew exactly what he did to her by giving her to Ramsay. I know he said he didn't know what Ramsay was...but I don't believe that FOR ONE MINUTE.
Baelish is the 2nd most connected dude in the series, and arguably the smartest of them all. You're telling me he's never heard a thing about the insanity of The Bastard of Bolton? I'm calling massive BS on that.
TheBattProductions I love your passion for the conversation!
I'll be honest, at first I believed Baelish when he told Ramsay that he didn't know anything about him. :/ But since then I've had a change of mind because of the points you and others have made.
However he does want to end up with Sansa and I don't think he would put her in danger...
Petyr is one of the best players in the game but Sansa is not stupid. I agree that she will be able to see through his BS. At least I hope so.
Haha.
Yeah, I just don't believe for one second that Baelish didn't know anything. I just refuse to believe that he doesn't know anything about one of the sickest dudes in Westeros (who isn't incredibly smart about his sickening delights).
I think Baelish made a calculated risk. He knows the Boltons need Sansa to hold the North so no real harm would come to her.
I hope so as well! Sansa isn't gonna be screwed I think
There's evidence that Baelish knew more of ROOSE'S sadistic nature than Ramsay's and was over-confident betrothing her to the younger and newly legitimized Bolton, thinking it was the "safer" choice. Ramsay, being a bastard and all, wasn't gossiped about to the extent that a Lord would be so his "background check" generalized his personality and painted him as an ass-kissing daddy's boy. Baelish grossly underestimated the damage that kind of inadequacy can wreak on a man's ego and the backlash it can generate. And before he left Sansa to marry Ramsay he assured her that Ramsay (and Roose) wouldn't be living long enough for any of it to matter anyhow. Baelish's plan counted on the Boltons either surrendering Winterfell or dying in battle with Stannis. He never gave the unfortunate possibility of Stannis losing and the Boltons staying put any thought. It was THAT miscalculation combined with his misjudgment of Ramsays character (due to a hasty and incomplete vetting) that led to Sansa's horrible circumstances. Baelish was, however, willing to die at her hand to apologize for his mistake. She was wise and kind to spare him his life - she clearly can read a sincere apology better than the viewers have been able. LOL (Even interviews with Aidan Gillen include admissions of Baelish's ignorance about Ramsay and sincere remorse over the arranged marriage. I wish the fans would accept this!)
What if Ned never goes to King's Landing?
I dig it! Got it down my friend.
Well, Arya story may have changed if it was Dillon knowledge Sansa was @ the vale.
Boltons/North story might have gone more like the books. Mance living and being sent to rescue "Arya" (Jane Poole) from Winterfell. Which probably means Jon would've have attacked as Arya was favorite. Etc etc
Exactly
Sansa seems to be Baelish his weakness, I think she will be the death of him eventually. Baelish has actuallly been taking a little too many risks at times, several times he already was almost killed. He keeps flying too close to the sun, eventually he'll get burned.
I agree with that. I think she's going to be the real downfall.
Willem Verheij How right you were.
Willem Verheij you were so right
Your gonna have to make a new category "what will happen soon"
Haha. Fair.
Yeah, not much changes since by that point in the show/books, he's already laid out most of the groundwork for his plans, and is just sitting back and watching the pieces fall into place. The bigger what if re: Littlefinger would be "What if Catelyn let Brandon Stark kill him during their duel?" (the short answer is, everyone lives happily ever after except viewers, who have no story to consume... OR, the story of our main characters' lifetimes would be "The Mad King vol.2", but even that's in doubt since Robert might have lived longer if not for Ned playing Cersei's hand...
Hey, I have another "What If." What if Sansa had left King's Landing with The Hound during the Battle of the Blackwater? I think it might have lead to Rob being ruler of the 7 kingdoms.
Hey Jon! That's a popular suggestion lately eh! I'll have to think about doing it :)
Thanks for the suggestion mate!
Even though you said that you don't see a big change in the story, I think one big one is Sansa not being too quick to take over Winterfell, even though it was her home. Her not marrying Ramsay would mean that there's no urgency to get the Ramsays out of there for her. That would mean that Jon goes South and who knows when we'll ever see him again. Also, this would probably mean that Sansa would have married Lysa's son and been holed up at the Vale. Not only that, but she doesn't learn how to play the game as well as she does now. She was Littlefinger's protege and her not learning from him means that she loses a lot of helpful knowledge.
Jon going South also means the White Walker threat is not dealt with, too, because he doesn't give a crap and if he's key to defeating them then Westeros is screwed.
That's a good observation with Jon in particular! Excellent thoughts.
Great video as always, I'm really surprised too that not a lot dramatically changes, as you said, little finger has such a powerful and influential role in westeros... hope you had a merry Christmas! :)
Thanks a lot Epic!
Yeah I don't know...that's all I could personally come up with. Maybe the Fake Arya storyline kicks in, but it really doesn't change much. I think killing Littlefinger pre-Purple Wedding may've changed a lot.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
Bro everytime u imitate jon it cracks me tf up! I think jon n Sansa team up to take Winterfel bc I believe Ramsey still gets Rickon and instead of Ramsey sending a letter asking for Sansa back, he tells jon to send the wildlings back or he'll kill Rickon.
love the videos you should do one on arya what if. remember back in season 3 i think when arya was tywin cupbear. remember when tywin told her to eat and she started eat and they were both talking then arya looks around tywin back is to her and she has the niff and is thinking if she could kill tywin right now but then tywin turns around and she just acting like she enjoying the food. i think this would be a good what if. keep up the videos i love the what if ones
i think tywin was actually testing her in that scene on the show by his actions. i think he was suspicious of her, and if she had tried to kill him, he would have probably put it together that it was arya.
Here's one: What if Ned found out about Baelish's claims regarding Cat?
What if Jaime and Brienne never get caught by Locke
You forgot that Little Finger rats out Cersei to Lady Olenna in episode season 5, episode 7. Lancel is the gift from Little Finger to Lady Olenna. He is the one that is responsible for giving Cersei to the High Sparrow. It is not spelled out, but it is implicated in their conversation. So that means Cersei doesn't do the walk of shame and she probably doesn't get so bitter as to wipe out a lot of important people in the destruction of the Great Sept of Baelor.
Now I think of it, Little Finger is also probably the one that gave Olyvar to Cersei, who was instrumental in ratting out Loras to the High Sparrow, which means that both Loras and Margaery fall in his hands. Which in turn led to the conversion of Tommen.
In conclusion, if Sansa tells on Little Finger probably a lot of important people still get to live.
So glad that you are feeling better! Another great video. It will be interesting to see Littlefinger's next move in the upcoming season.
Thank you! :) I'm glad as well. I was deaddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
Littlefinger's gotta die. I don't want him to, but I think he's dead this season.
What if Ygritte didn't die at the battle of Castle Black?
Excellent idea my friend
TheBattProductions I'm also desperate for you to do the Mance bending the knee one but I'll wait
DON SILVA I will seriously consider that one soon then my friend!
I can't imagine that Sansa will be able to betray Littlefinger before he betrays her or at least notices her plans..
Oh I totally think she will. I think Littlefinger laid it all out: He wants the Iron Throne with her there as well. I don't see him betraying her but I can see her finally catching up (Student becomes the Teacher type-scenario)
Yes! A littlefinger vid! Best Christmas ever!!!!!!!!!!
Haha. You looooove your Littlefinger.
What if Samwell was allowed to be the heir to Horn Hill?
that's great! Jon would never join the Watch in that scenario
Nah, Jon would join the watch, he just wouldn't have been elected Lord-Commander because Sam was the one who stood up for Jon at the election.
Jon was already at The Wall when Samwell showed up.
Probably that's true!
yeah but wanted to leave after he was not chosen as a ranger. Sam convinced him that being a steward is great goal for Jon. At least in the book :-)
This is definitely one ofy favourite What If. For a suggestion how about What If Jamie takes the Iron Throne after killing Aerys or What If Tywin got to Jamie first.
Thank you Meme!
Oooooooooo that's interesting for sure...Hmmm. With the whole Kingsguard thing being a factory, I wonder if he could take the throne. Then again, he just killed his king. Rules were all over the place.
Lysa is so many kinds of crazy and not the sexy kind. How could Little Finger put his little finger into her?
Haha. Never stick it in crazy is the expression.
Hah.
They definately would have attacked Winterfell. Even if Sansa doesen't know what a monster Ramsey is, Ricon is his hostage, and it's their home. Plus, weren't the Boltons involved in the red wedding? That's ample reason to go after Winterfell.
Never forget that Littlefinger probably told Lysa the same thing that he told Sansa about wanting to sit on the iron throne with her by his side. Dont go for it girl! Dont go for it!!!
Glad you're feeling better, hope you had a great Christmas!
Thank you Puchy! I feel WAY better.
I did have a good Christmas. Did you?!?
TheBattProductions yeah! Spent some time with family, and of course I rewatched Game of Thrones, really looking forward to season 7. Do you have any predictions on what will happen?
I think that, in this situation, Sansa and Robin Arryn will get married later or soon...Sansa would probably have looked for Jon with the help of Robin and Yohn Royce, since Jon would not have remained on the Wall, because he wanted to leave the Night's Watch, and Sansa would still worry about him if she knew what happened to him on the Wall and probably would seek him to take him to the Vale with her, with or without an attack on Ramsay, and it is possible that then everything had gone similar, only that the attack on Ramsay would come from the south and not from the north, or perhaps from both sides if Jon manages to convince the Free Folk to attack From the north, and here you would have Jon being king in the north and Sansa being the Queen Consort of the Valley for his marriage to Robin.
I get this is show Canon rather than Book Canon, but I imagine if Sansa doesn't go to Winterfell, Littlefinger would have arranged for Fake Arya (Jeyne Poole in the Books) to go instead. Sansa would definitely care if she was Ramsay's victim (she was her friend) and if Jon hears that "Arya" had been forcibly wed to Ramsay, he would absolutely act to rescue her. So not a lot changes.
thumbs up for your John Snow impression.
Hahahahahha. I don't know if I deserve a thumbs up for it, but I did me best! Appreciated my friend.
What if Khal Droggo didn't fall ill and led the Dothraki to Westros?
What if Remly and Stannis formed a temporary truce?
What if Stannis won the battle against Ramsay?
What if little finger didn't betray Eddard Stark?
So glad you are feeling better!
People always assume that lysa killed Jon arryn just because littlefinger asked her to. In reality, littlefinger manipulated Robert and Jon arryn to send little Robin to foster with either tywin Lannister or Stannis. Lysa obviously was not cool with that and Peter gave her the tears of lys. So she didn't murder her husband just because Peter asked her, she already wanted him dead to keep her son close and Peter just gave him the means
At about the 4:50 mark in this video, are you "air texting"?
Love your what vids!
....Yes :)
Haha. Thank you Roberta!
*what IF vids :)
TheBattProductions You missed an important point. Rickon, he would never have been sent to Ramsay as a hostage. At least not as the show established his fate. The whole point of the Umbers bringing Rickon to Ramsay was because he then had legetimate claim to Winterfell by marrying Sansa. So as the new Lord of the North the Umbers pledge their loyal to him. Without Sansa marrying him they have no reason to give Ramsay Rickon. Instead the Umbers would send a raven to the Vale to talk to Sansa about her brother and the suppose threat of the wildings. The Umbers would probably even force Sansa and through her the Vale to attack Winterfell and then commit the army north to supposively fight Jon and the wilding army under threat handing Rickon over to the Bolton's. That if they don't force her to attack Jon first before she has a chance to take Winterfell. This would change greatly the relationship between Jon and Sansa. Both torn about fighting each other to save Rickon.
TheBattProductions Oh and she would have to deal with King's Landing herself since Littlefinger was working with the Lannisters. If Sansa had Littlefinger killed Tommen or later Cersie post Mad Queen would sent the Lannister forces to the Vale to kill her and Sweet Robin. Since Cersie becoming queen came at the end of season 6. Had Sansa with the Vale army attacked Winterfell and took it by then. She now has to deal with Cersie and the Lannister forces. That would no doubt bring attacks in both the North and the Vale. The Freys would commit their own forces to join the Lannisters. This would help the Tully forces and Edmure but not by much. The only good the fighting up North would do is distract and occupy Cersie and her allies long enough for Dany and her allies to a attack a less defended King's Landing. Cersie would be strategically at a disadvantage by that point. Fighting a war on three fronts, from the south, the North and the sea off of Blackwater bay. So much warfare though would leave Westeros weaken to muster enough forces to fight the White Walker army. Although they would probably be in better shape than the show version. Jon if everything goes well with him will have no problem unifying all of Westeros to the Others if he only has Dany as Queen to convince.
Littlefingers goal is not to be King because that's impossible for him, its to be able to hand over the North, the Riverlands and the Vale to the Targaryens and rule over as many as he can.
ATheBattProductions Merry Christmas Happy holidays happy new year my friend :) I'm happy you are better!!!!! I hope you do the "What if Robb didn't execute Rickard kaarstark" vid
Merry Christmas to you as well my friend!!!!!!
I'll write it down and see if it'll be the next one! I plan these roughly a day before I upload them. Hah.
I think once Sansa tells & gets Littlefinger killed for killing her aunt, because all his schemes would come to an end, I see Sansa would have been taken back to the Lannisters. They would still see her escape as evidence of her having something to do with Jeoffery's death & killed her, most likely. I don't see how people would continue to not see who she really was without Littlefinger's protection, and the Vale was (at that point) aligned in service with the throne.
Hey RoseMarie!
I doubt she'd be sent back to the Lannisters. The Vale absolutely hates the Lannisters and Sansa is related to their former Lady, after all.
TheBattProductions ... I think they absolutely would send her back. Without LF taking the Vale's allegiance away from the throne to back the post-rapped Sansa.... the Vale was not sending their men away to fight, but they were thought to be aligned with Cersi's throne control. Those may be considered Northern men (that Robin is left surrounded by) but they did not ride to aide Rob, & barely were helpful in any manner to Catelyn in the past. Robin would remember his mother's crazy rants & decisions some... & those men wouldn't setup a naive kid that lords over them on the Lannisters chopping block so they send Sansa back, in defense of the Vale (which they put above the North brother-ly-ness
Had Sansa told the truth here, the combination of events would not have happened where she made it to Castle Black with Brienne just at the moment when John was resurrected and had suffered a serious lack of morale due to being betrayed by his own men. This would have meant that John would have left the Night's Watch and abandoned all the effort he had made previously with regards to the War for the Dawn. Sansa was that person that convinced John to stay and fight the Winterfell battle. I do not know if John is the hero that was promised, but it is indisputable that his leadership is what has kept together the effort to thwart the Great Others. Thus, it can be said that by a stretch, the fate of humanity hinged on Sansa's decision here for just a brief moment. If Sansa tells, she does not meet John at that moment. If she does not re-motivate John at that moment, the Others have won since John is the person who most cares about stopping their advance into the realm of the living.
Rickon would've still been held prisoner.
Good point!
what if Marcella lived longer then Tommen?
Hmmm. Interesting. Meaning Myrcella is alive now?
TheBattProductions correct
Well...if Littlefinger dies at that point in the story...not much would change, but what if he dies earlier?...I don't know...what if The Hound killed him went he was running away from King's Landing just because he was in the way...that would certainly change a lot!
I'm super late to the party on this but I think Rickon could have been a much bigger bargaining chip in this scenario. If he was still handed over to the Boltons and word had gotten out that Sansa was at The Vale, I could see Roose inviting her to Winterfell. He could have proposed her marrying Ramsey in exchange for her brother's safety. It's unlikely they would let him go, as any free Stark in the North would be a threat, but a child with Stark blood and a Bolton name would be a political windfall. A rescue mission for their brother could unite Jon and Sansa and spark them taking back Winterfell - Rickon's survival would mostly depend on whether Roose was still alive or not, though.
I think Sansa could have easily convinced Robin to help without Littlefinger. Robin is quite fond of Sansa. In fact, Robin gave Littlefinger control of the Knights of the Vale for the specific task of rescuing and aiding Sansa.
It's very possible, sure. She'd had the ability, but not sure she'd really attempt that without Littlefinger.
Quite possible. It was Littlefinger that approached Sansa about the Knights of the Vale, after all. My point was simply that if she did try to get the Vale's help, she probably wouldn't have needed Littlefinger. Would have helped, I'm sure, but not a requirement.
stanklepoot No arguments here! :)
Aria has evidence of him plotting against Ned and I hope she IMMEDIATELY says something the moment she appears in Winterfell.
Does she though? Maybe I'm missing something in reviewing my mind here, but I think only The Hound really has that info. Maybe Bran can obtain it eventually.
Can you do a theory "What if Sansa had told the truth about Joffrey?"" or something like that? Basically, some people believe that Sansa is the main person to blame for what happened to Ned.
I find the positivity in the way you put your vids together, ie: the hypothetical scenarios. They seem to be very well thought 💭 out, and with great contents!
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Thank you Ashleigh :) I really appreciate that. I try to make the nicest videos I can. I care very much about making good content and will do what I can to have people thrilled to watch.
TheBattProductions your welcome:)
Has anyone else got Heathcliff from 'Wuthering Heights' vibe from Baelish?
THIS CHANGES! He won't be able to tell Olenna Tyrell about Cersei and Lancel, so Cersei won't be imprisoned by the High Sparrow. So there'll be no walk of shame.
My opinion: Littlefinger would have been excecuted, Sansa would have married Robin as promised by Lysa (or at least she would have been bethroded), she would have convinced the knights of the vale to fight for her and she would have helped stannis take winterfell (with the northmen), melisandre would not be at castle black to resurrect jon unless they had gone to the wall to see him and melisandre would have been convinced to resurrect him, ramsay wouldn't have married sansa and the boltons would be all dead (maybe not walda and the baby), theon would probably have been excecuted by stannis (or burned 😟), yara would have escaped anyway because I think it was both their idea, the baratheons the starks and the knights of the vale would have helped the blackfish keep riverrun and killed walder frey, rickon would still be alive and would be lord of winterfell, edmure would be lord of riverrun, the umbers would remain loyal to the starks but not the karstarks which I expect would be dead too, stannis would have taken the iron throne after tommen's death, cersei would have been excecuted…and the rest is to see
So, what if Littlefinger had snuffed it way before, like in the duel with Brandon? What would the Realm look like without his chaotic influence?
I really tought that Littlefinger would have change a lot of stuff. Nice Video.
I also think that Sansa will send someone to kill Littlefinger in the end.
Thanks a lot man! Yeah that's the only stuff I could think of. I don't know if I'm missing anything, but that seemed to be the result I got!
This is really intriguing! (You know Sansa is my girl so I love any Sansa related videos you make).. I love the fact that you make the distinction that Jon probably wouldn't have fought for Winterfell bc it's true, look I love my Jon but he probably would have gone south like he planned..
I mean their conversation was basically
Jon: Winterfell No
Sansa: Winterfell YES
Jon: Winterfell yes
So maybe that would change and my girl wouldn't have gone through what she went through w/ Ramsay but maybe they would have played it like in the book and included Jeyne Poole as the Fake Arya and Theon would have still escaped..
I love the idea of LF dying I really do but I'm glad it will be at the hands of a Stark rather than an Arryn you know? Because his actions started the downfall of House Stark and I really want either Sansa or Jon to kill him... (Sansa for obvious reasons) and Jon because well dramatic irony bc I have no doubt in my mind that Sansa will side with Jon in whatever LF is planning (I saw the look in the finale as more worry about LF than anger at Jon) so it would be LF loosing Catelyn 2.0 to Ned 2.0 (in LF's mind at least) and i really enjoy that thought...
Loved the video Kevin!
i think jon snow wouldve still tried taking over winterfell or an important castle in order to hold the army of the death off
Jon might of still got the pink letter forcing him to rally the North and Wildlings and take on the boltons
He might've indeed. Fake Arya is also possible.
you forgot major point : LittleFinger ( in the show) was somewhat responsible for Lorras , Margery and Cerci arrests
Somewhat, but not really. Not a major piece at all.
I would like to see what if Little Finger's plot to have the Starks and Lanisters tear eachother apart had been exposed about the end of book one begging of book 2. If Tywin found out about it, he would probally hang Littlefinger from the first tree he found.
What if Jaime didn't push Bran from the tower.
Green Arrow I think that Ned wouldn't be attacked in the streets so he would just leave for wimterfell
I have done this one before, actually! :)
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oh wow just asked something related and saw your comment just below!
NBD! :)
you're right, i had wondered if it would have affected his abilities but i suppose not since all the stark children in the book seem to have it to some degree with their direwolves.
The Starks still would have retaken Winterfell but it would have been differently.
Without Sansa in the Boltens grasp the North still would have been divided by the time she gained control of the Erye. The fake Arya plot may still happen but I'm not sure about that one. However with the news of the Wildling army the North maybe would have rallied together to destroy the Wildlings once and for all.
Anyway without Sansa at the wall Jon would have left the Nights Watch a free man. While traveling with Davos and The Red Woman he would have learned about Sansa being in the Erye. Now maybe the Wildlings follow him or maybe not. If they do I think Jon would have fought against Ramsay and the Sansa sends the Vale army and saves him. He wouldn't have been crowned King in the North but Winterfell would have someone with Stark blood living there. The Wildlings would be safe and Sansa and Jon would have had an awesome reunion.
Now without the Wildlings following Jon, the North would kill them all because they would have stayed in one place as they tried to treat their wounded and sick. Jon would have made it to the Vale alive but most likely would be seen as a traitor of the Nights Watch and Sansa might have sentinced him to die unless The Red Woman can demenstraite her abilities in some way. To show that Jon did in fact get revived. With Sansa in now ruling the Vale she probably would have sent Jon with the Vale Army to retake Winterfell. Still no King of the North status as he didn't go around and meet with the houses asking for their help. But the North would no longer be under Bolten rule. Sadly though the Wildlings would still be dead and that would make it iffy on if Jon would be accepted at Winterfell for him allowing the Wildlings into Westeros at all. All his warnings about what's behind the Wall may not be taken seriously and then the North would eventually be the first to fall. Unless Bran can get there in time with proof.
There is something else. Since she would still be there Arya would come to her and then Brianna would arrive as well.
Awesome video, hope you had a good Christmas :)
Thank you Misfit! :)
I hope you had a great Christmas as well and a happy set of holidays!
I hope 2017 brings you plenty of new opportunities and a sh*t ton more subscribers :)
Misfit Moments Haha. Thanks a lot my friend. I hope so to. Aiming for DOUBLE the amount of subscribers I have now. Maybe we can get it done! :)
I think if Sansa stayed at the Vale, Cersei would have had much better possibilities in getting her back to KL and having her justiced for regicide.
What if Lysa didn't love Little Finger?
Littlefinger never would've accomplished a damn thing. She's the reason why he got anywhere. Without her, he can't obtain influence.
Another great video!
Thanks Bradder!!!!
I appreciate you watching
Personally I don't think Sensory could convince Robin to come at the Knights of the veil 12 a conquest of Winterfell but if you guys think so please tell me how that would work
what if the mutineers at craster's keep survived and won against the attack from the nights watch and drove jon's forces back to the wall? here is the real interesting question: what would become of them of they survived all the fucked up shit coming their way and lived on through generations, my guess is that crasters keep would grow into a town or at least village and become an independent tribe.
Good call there about Sansa offing Baelish.
We've got to wait until season 7 or 8 is done to really know on this one. I'll be little finger is making some big differences that we just don't know about.
Stannis might have had a better chance of taking Winterfell without the support the Boltons had from having Sansa with them. But Jon and Sansa would have definitely have still gotten their home back. Ramsay probably would have killed his dad sooner. Did you do a what if on Jon taking Stannis offer?
I didn't do that what IF! Someone else JUST suggested it, actually. I'm going to have to seriously consider that one soon I guess! It's become really popular.
Nice post!
I disagree. Jon would've probably lost the fight for winterfell if Littlefinger hadn't shown up so late with the knights of the vale. If Sansa was in charge, the knights would likely be entrapped, same as Jon and the wildings.
I don't care if you're sick we want videos!!!!!!!
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TheBattProductions haha good man I'm glad! We all just love you're videos, keep up the good content! R.I.P King Stannis
Schmakyle Thanks a lot my friend!
RIP The Mannis
Jon is a Stark because of his mother, he's 1/2 Stark and he's the nephew of Ned Stark/Lord Eddard Stark.
What if blackfish comes to north with brienne
Don't forget that Littlefinger had killed Lysa Arryn right after she tried to kill Sansa. I think Sansa would have pushed Jon to take back Winterfell, regardless of whether she had married Ramsay or not. I find it rather offensive that the only way Sansa could be strong was experience rape at the hands of Ramsay.
I know I'm late with this. I was watching this, and I noticed that you missed the part that Arya and The Hound arrived at the Vale the day after Sansa left with Little Finger. Arya may not have gone to Essos to be a Faceless Man at this point. The Hound may have been there to help with the Battle of Winterfell. Or maybe I'm wrong
What if Arya killed LF on Sansa's order? Omg! That did happen!!
Basically the worst storyline doesn’t happen.
As for what happens to Ramsay, hey about they use Sansa best friend Jeyne Poole and disguise her as a fake Arya and she eventually inspires Reek to be Theon again.
It’s almost like they is a version of this story that isn’t horrible and D&D pissed it away.
how do you completley ignore the issue of Rickon, if Rickon lives (and Ramsey isn't as angry about Sansa escaping and may not have pulled the same stunt on the battlefield etc) then Rickon is King in the north and needs a Regent
What if Jon Arryn didn't die and revealed the truth about the Lannister kids?
This is definitely one that I'm looking to do soon. I've been kicking this idea around for ages.
Q: What would happen is Sansa told on LF? A: I would beat the stuffing out of her for betraying my boo :-D J/K I'm sure LF was prepared for her to tell the truth, if he didn't have a contingency plan I would be shocked. IDK that Jon would have tried to take WF without Sansa there to push him either. Wow a whole lot of crap would have changed with that, I mean the Vale people might have married Sansa off pretty quickly, maybe to Robin....eeeeewwwwwww I just totally grossed myself out.
Hahaha. You like Baelish too much. You're becoming a Lysa!!!
I still think there's a chance Sansa marries Robyn.
Go full Lysa or go home!!! LOL
Can you make a video about what might happen in the north with the wall and winterfell for the next book? Because I feel that could be really different for many reasons like Jon was robs heir and Jane pool was married to Ramsey acting as arya
That will be a tough one, but I may possibly do it! :)
Good suggestion my friend.
I think your right @W-james
I hope there is a really big twist in the next season,Like something no one thought of.
Absolutely, me too.
I have tons of ideas of what may happen, but nothing I think that'll be out of left field. Left field would be like Stannis is a new commander of the White Walkers.
+TheBattProductions yeah, and I want jon to be a targaryen but it just seems to obvious and we can't get a jon x Daenerys relationship, unless we want more insest babies like Joffrey
Prospect Jon is totally a Targaryen. I mean they basically confirmed it on the show.
I think we're getting a Jon/Dany marriage. They're going to end up marrying but won't even know they're related most likely.
I also think Dany has to die by the end as well, so marriage won't last long
So much fan service. Almost as much fan service as a resurrected ice dragon.
Jon would get a Sick tan
Green Arrow ha yeah like he said just keep going south till he gets to Dorne.
What do you mean?
TheBattProductions since Jon wanted to go where it was warm
Sansa would have been having to beat off a line of Vale Knight suitors with a heavy stick.
So I don't know if you're still watching over these "What if..." comments or not but I had a thought about one once I heard that Kit Harrington & some writers are putting together a Jon Snow post season 8 story...
What if...season 8 can actually be SAVED? Hear me out...before I get shunned. What if Jon, while out beyond the wall living w/the free folk, comes to find out that the Bloodraven who's inhabiting Bran's body is the actual main villain? That the person in Bran's mind has manipulated the world into turning the people against one of its possible greatest defenders (Dany) & banishing one of its last great hopes at turning back the true Long Night back into the true North (Jon.) Bloodraven would have successfully divided the last of the Stark family & splintered the North from the rest of the kingdoms while massively depleting the population of the entire continent to the point where he may not be able to be defeated with the current state of Westeros. If they went with something along these lines as a story...where Jon had to become the true king he was born to be & finally accept his destiny I believe this could be an epic storyline.
What do you think?
I am I am! Sometimes it's really difficult for me to answer them as in-depth since I don't always remember what I said in the video, hah.
That's a really cool WHAT IF, truthfully. I like it. I mean the only pathway I see for a good Jon Snow story would be him finding WW/Bloodraven magic somewhere beyond the wall that allows him to tap into his warg abilities mentioned in the books. It'd be somewhat loyal to canon and be a legit avenue to go down for a story, so maybe fans would like it.
Good scenario, Chris.
Awesome!!! Thanks!
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