I imagine Lyanna would be a wonderful “aunt” to Jon. She’d find a place for him at court and make up an excuse saying it was to get him away from Cat out of respect for her. Cat would be very pleased by this and Robert could just assume Lyanna has taken a liking to her nephew. Best part, Jon gets a motherly figure at last!
Hell, no. She would not bring him anywhere NEAR court or Robert. The last thing she wants is anyone noticing a family resemblance, or thinking he looks more like her than Ned, or, at some point in his maturation, showing his kingship to Rhaegar. You can't say for sure what a kid will look like as they grow. And she would not want anyone even remotely associating her, Jon & the concept of motherhood, lest someone say, "hey, wait a minute..." On top of that, it would be hard on her, because she would never be able to be a "mother" to Jon. As queen, her A#1 job is to be a mother to the KING'S children. She would have to bear Robert's kids and they would get the priority and she would be expected to act as their mother. She would HAVE to treat Jon as less than they. She could not be any more than an aunt to Jon. She would also be expected to be an actual aunt to Shireen and any other kids Stannis or Renly have, and they would be trueborn, and also expected to have higher status. So she would have to treat her first baby as less than the offspring of her brothers-in-law. Any undue or "excessive" interest she showed in Jon might make Robert annoyed or resentful (he's already going to be plenty annoyed at all the ways Lyanna is not living up to his fantasy of an ideal, submissive and affirming wife), and unlike Catelyn, he has the power to do something about it. Let's not forget, a common way for a noble to raise their children is to foster them off, and the normal way for a bastard is to especially foster them off out of the way. And that generally means someone of equal or lower status. Ned's bastard should be fostered with a friendly family in the region where he was born, or with one of Ned's allies or vassal families. Preferably someone like the Royces or Daynes, to keep him well away from any inheritance he might start getting ideas about. And the issue Catelyn has with Jon is not his presence, but what his presence MEANS. In Winterfell, receiving the same education and training as Robb, being publicly presented as a son of Ned, makes him a viable contender as Ned's heir. Not in the normal course of events, but odd situations come up. The events of the show, where Catelyn's sons are dead (or presumed so), and Jon is acclaimed the heir over Sansa, because the times call for a military leader and Jon can do things Sansa or Arya can't or are not given the chance to ... that is EXACTLY what Catelyn is afraid of. If Jon is not raised in Winterfell and widely known through the North as Ned's biological son, no one is acclaiming him as the new head of House Stark. So Jon being fostered at court with Aunt Lyanna is actually worse. Because while he won't be making the connections and have the familiarity with the North & Winterfell that he does in OTL, at court he will have more chances to earn the favor of Aunt Lyanna's husband, the King. And maybe someday, if everything goes to shit and there is a succession crisis in the North, maybe King Robert, or his succeeding son by Lyanna, decides that they prefer Jon as Warden of the North & Lord of Winterfell over Sansa's husband, and rule in his favor. Or King Rickard Baratheon gets pissed at something cousin Robb does, and decides he would simply rather have the cousin he knows, instead of the one at the far end of the kingdom whom he has met on only a couple of visits. Jon being raised by Lyanna creates more problems than it solves.
Otto wouldnt oppose Rhaenyra's ascent to the throne but he wouldnt oppose Aegon's either. After all, a Hightower sits on the iron throne regardless. However, if Gwain is a lover, Otto would probably lean more to Aegon as he's legitimate. Allicent would be pissed at Gwain for sleeping with the married princess and pissed at Rhaenyra for turning her brother into her boytoy
Rhaenyra should have married Aegon. Otto Hightower proposed this to Viserys at that big hunt. Yes Rhaenyra was 16 and Aegon was 2, but he would grew up and during that time Rhaenyra would have been a positive influence in his life and he would have grown up a better person. And they would be King and Queen together. Peace time ruling Aegon would likely be bored and she could run things. And no succession crisis. Her bloodline continued. And yes the heir would have Hightower blood,but I Don't thing Rhaenyra would ever warmed to the Hightowers and so their influence would have been limited.
I think that Otto might lean toward Rhayneria for the succession. If they’d married they’d likely have legitimate children. Alicent didn’t want to oppose Rhayneria until Otto started spewing his propaganda to her and I don’t see that happening in this situation. Plus their heir would have a dragon and then the heir of Oldtown or whatever house they are would have a dragon.
Personally I think if Lyanna essentially sacrificed herself to do her duty to Robert and keep her son safe she would despise him and they would have a relationship with him loving her and her wanting absolutely nothing to do with him. I also feel like she would insist that even if the world at large couldn’t know Jons true parentage that Jon at least knows. Also if Rhaegar convinced her of the song of ice and fire after the trip north I can totally see Lyanna perhaps not outright killing Robert but arranging his death and putting jon on the throne.
She might even drink moon tea to prevent any unwanted pregnancies with Robert if she couldn’t keep him out of her bed. But the idea of her finding a way to kill Robert and place Jon on the throne is just perfect.
I disagree that it would be that difficult to get Lyanna and baby Jon out of the seven kingdoms. At that point there were still many Houses loyal to the Targaryens that would gladly help them escape and could get them reunited with Dany and Viserys. In that timeline Lyanna, being so strong-willed and with Jon being the rightful heir, could keep the kids from going down the path they did. This could also end up with the "dragon [having] three heads" scenario. I don't know how this would affect the re-emergence of magic in the world, though if any of the kids get married I could still see them getting gifted the eggs. Maybe in that timeline you could have three riders for three dragons that could more easily reclaim the Seven Kingdoms.
@fightingmedialounge519 The fact that most houses still stood with them tells me that it wouldn't be difficult to find a few houses still loyal to them directly as the war is ending. Barristan Selmy is one example of someone who would absolutely have helped them escape, given that he was still singing Rhaegar's praises in Game of Thrones over a decade after the end of the war. I wouldn't suggest that everyone would remain loyalists immediately after. Maybe "gladly" was the wrong verbage, "in hopes of gaining influence upon the Targaryen return to power" and "definitely willing to aid them" would probably be more accurate descriptors.
I really hate that the show runners named Jon Aegon. It makes no sense why they’d use that name, unless they were trying to include some remnant of the Faegon plot.
I have three ideas on what Jon book Targaryen name would be, if he had one at all. Jaeharys or Aemon, popular options with thematic and lore evidence to back them. Or some male variation of Visenya, like Visenys. Rhaeger named his children after members of the first three Royal Targayen, and he insisted on a third "The dragon must have three heads" its likely he expected to have a girl to be named Visenya, but was so self-confident Lyanna would birth a daughter, he never thought up a male name just in cause, and Lyanna created a male variant on the fly.
What if Myrcella lived. She is still poisoned, but the ship had something to help her. She is still weak and bed ridden so season 6 still plays almost completely the same save for it being her sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the season instead of Cersei. She knew she was a Bastard so knows she doesn't have a right to it, but if she wanted revenge on the Sand Snakes for how they killed the Martells would she play the role.
I thing Viserys wouldn't welcome her, honestly, he always think that Lyanna is Rhaegar's wore, instead a wife or a lover...in addition, he can think that Jon could be a threat in the future, need to remember that Viserys was a mad Targaryen.
I like the idea of Laena stark telling her family she leaving with regar to get married. That a few family members are at the wedding and the family has no reason to support robbers rebellion.
She was running away from her family! Her family set her up to marry a guy she was having doubts about, and believed would never be faithful to her. No way she's telling Rickard ahead of time, so he can stop it. Because A. Rickard is making these alliances for a reason. Given that Starks almost exclusively marry northerners or families with First Men ties, like the Blackwoods or Royces, he almost certainly had a specific reason to marry his eldest son & only daughter to the daughter of a Lord Paramount and another Lord Paramount, and meanwhile, fostered his other son with yet another Lord Paramount. Rickard, Hoster & Jon Arryn were planning something and it was probably a move against the king, to check his power or stand up to his erratic governing style. Given the trajectory of the dwindling power and stature of the Targaryens with the loss of their dragons, it was inevitable that the nobles would start to push for more say in the governance of the realm. But whatever he is up to, Lyanna running off with Rhaeger ruins it, and unless you have hard proof of what Rickard sought to get from a marriage to Robert and what the Starks could hope to gain from Rhaegar instead, there is no way the Starks would accept her choice. B. Even if she wasn't already betrothed, there is no reason for them to be happy about her becoming the mistress of the crown prince. It's considered shameful, her children would be bastards, and it automatically brings tension with the Martells. And a guy who would shame in such a manner a woman who is, by all accounts, perfectly nice and a good wife, of a great noble family, who has given him two children, including a son, is not remotely a great catch, by Westeros standards.
The only reason why John Aryn died was because he found out that Cersi's kids were Jamie's bastard's, and was killed for knowing that knowledge, so John Aryn would probably have lived for longer
Littlefinger had him killed to further his schemes to make war between the Starks and Lannisters. Him finding out about the bastards was just a good cover for him to use for why the "Lannisters" killed him.
I'm not convinced Lyanna was really fully on board to just run away. Remember Rhaegar was both prophecy obsessed and known to have a silver tongue. Not to mention running off on a flight of fancy was massively out of character for her. She's not one to believe in love at true sight and a silver hair prince trying to sweep her off her feet is likely to get a kick between the legs more than a romance. Edit: I just thought of something. Imagine if Miya Stone and John Snow being engaged in this timeline. Imagine if they're given a chance to make a new house name, something like Frostrock or Tundra or something. A way to poke fun at 'their' bastard nature. Throw them lands in The Gift and Jon still becomes a major part of The Night Watch storyline as one of their main suppliers and strongest allies.
True it's out of character if it was 'in the moment' but I fully believe that she and rheagar had been having an affair for AWHILE, so not out of character if they were already messing around before the 'kidnapping'
You saying she didnt believe in love at first sight is projection. Her being a mix of Sansa & Arya fits how Ned parents but later laments he didnt squash Sansas fantastical ideals
How that 'affair' would go? Letters were HANDLED directly by MAESTERS all the time...how would Lyanna receive and send letters from and for Rhaegar WITHOUT Rickard ever knowing? Secret courriers? Meh...EASIER to see her as a spoiled, if sheltered, brat that for a chance at scaping marriage with a skirtchaser that got seduced by a prophesy obsessed silver tongued prince and ended up getting her family and a LOT of people killed.
Not sure if you take requests, what if Jon Snow did not join the watch. Because after reading the books it seems like that would effects the Starks a lot more than the Knights Watch.
All she needed to do was leave a note to her family saying "hey, I'm okay, but I'm running off with a married man, don't start a revolutionary war or anything whilst I'm gone" so if she lives and explains to Ned, he's going to be pretty annoyed at the countless deaths she caused
What if Rhaenyra took Gwayne Hightower as a Lover instead of Harwin Strong? What if Lucerys lost his eye *instead* of Aemond? What if both Lucerys & Aemond died in episode 10? What if Aemma Arryn last child, Baelon was born a girl that married Aegon-II? What if Viserys had Aegon II married Rhaenyra *After* Laenor’s death? What if Rhaenyra was like Jaehaerys The Conciliator? What if Rhaenyra Targaryen married Borros Baratheon? What if Viserys-I made Rhaenyra Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death? What if Viserys-I made Rhaenys Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death? What if Viserys-I made Daemon Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death? What if Rhaenyra married Otto after Alicent married Viserys? What if Aegon-III lived longer and made his Daughter Daena hair after the death of his sons? What if Myrcella “Baratheon” married Robb Stark instead Joffrey & Sansa? ✅ *What if Lyanna Stark lived?* ✅ What if Jamie Lannister was at the Tower Of Joy instead of Gerold Hightower?
I think with the second timeline, if Robert still dies in a hunting accident(Lancel could still be his squire to appease the Lannisters), Tywin would plot with the Tyrells to put Renly on the throne. Perhaps instead of Cersei being married to Edmure, she’s married to Willas instead.
•What if Ned asked Robert to legitimise John? •What if Kathelyn was baren? •What if Ned never found out about Cerce having bastards? • What if Littlefinger loved Lysa instead of Kathelyn? •What if the purple wedding never happened? • What if Viserys keeps Alicent as a lover and doesn't marry her? •What if Larys sided with Rhaenyra?
I think if Lyanna lived and married Robert. The Lannisters are going to be pissed beyond belief. Hence option 3: Lyanna lives, but Robert sets her aside for Cersei (at Jon Arryn’s advice) and she lives in the North.
Agreed.He fought against the Dynasty and won just to get her back.Lannister Support was nice but Robert didn't really need it.He had already won the war.Robert might have been the only man in the Seven Kingdoms who didn't fear Tywin Lannister.What could Tywin even do?Hold the Capital against Ned and taking the Iron Throne for himself,fighting four of the Seven Kingdoms because Robert wouldn't make his daughter Queen?
@@timoteimiclaus4996 While the possibility may come to mind. Tywin isn't that stupid (Cersei, maybe) to pull anything that drastic. Especially if Lyanna is alive. But a simple thank you isn't going to be enough for him. If Cersei isn't to be queen, then the alternative may be to have Jaime exchanged for, say, Tyrion. In that, Jaime is removed from the Kingsguard and is made heir to Casterly Rock again, and Tyrion is fostered in Kings Landing. The other alternative is for Lyanna to meet an 'accident' when returning to Kings Landing. Again, all eyes would fall on Tywin if such a thing were to happen, and he knows it.
There is literally nothing short of killing Lyanna and blaming it on someone else that Tywin or any other Lannister could do to stop Robert from marrying Lyanna.
Tywin wouldn't have made his move on King's Landing under the expectation of marrying Cersei to Robert given that at that time he would have presumed that Robert would be marrying Lyanna anyway. He did it so as not to end up on the losing side in the war. As to marriage matches for Cersei, to Stannis is probably going to be one of the possibilities under consideration. Edmure Tully is another. Or Tywin might keep it in the family and find a suitable Lannister cousin.
I think that if Lyanna survived, she would have married and fulfilled the oath to Robert. Ned would claim Jon as his bastard but he would ask Robert and Lyanna to foster Jon to save him the shame of raising a bastard in the presence of Catelyn. Robert would agree to do anything for his closest friend and brother he chose. This way Lyanna would raise Jon as one of her own out of loyalty to her brother with Robert none the wiser to the fact that he is her own. Second option is that Jon would be sent to house Dayne to be raised instead. Ned was close to Ashara and journeyed there to return Dawn. It would be easy to hide Jon at Starfall in the territory of Dorne and far from Robert’s eyes. There Jon could be trained and eventually become a great knight or a kingsguard like Ser Arthur. If there was not a clear succession after Robert’s passing. He could come forward at a great council or in a civil war with the support of the North and Dorne as well as other Targaryen Loyalist. This starts him with 2 of the largest militaries in Westeros. It would be easy for him to get the Hightower and Tyrell to join. Potentially by marrying Maergery even. That leaves the Stormlands, riverlands, crownlands, vale and westerlands to overcome. I believe that the vale and riverlands would support him through their connections to the North and by exposing that Ned had not dishonored Catelyn who is a Tully from the Riverlands. Her sister Lyza is crazy but would support Catelyn after a time. Stannis and Renlyn would be crushed by the Dornish/Reach forces while the North/Riverlands/Vale pushed against the Westerlands. Eventually they would fall as well. I think that Ned would be alive to lead the North so Walter Frey and Rose Bolton would not dare to rebel. Robb would likely be betrothed to a daughter of the Dayne as repayment for fostering Jon. At most Bran would marry a Frey daughter.
Jon going to the Daynes is probably more likely if Lyanna lived especially if Jon grew up to have Targaryen features. I dont see Lyanna risking it by having Jon in Kings Landing.
I think that this Is one more interesting posibility if Lyanna marry Robert it Is posible that she not be able to have any children as consekvence of Jon's birth. And after Robert died Lyanna push Jon to be king and to united Targeryans by maridge between Jon and Daenerys
Here’s how I see it going. Ned has a very serious talk with Lyanna. Tells her all of the affects of her selfish decision. It’s her fault their father and brother are dead. All over her childish impulse. A whole war faught over her reckless decision. Her lover is dead over that decision. Ned tells her it’s her duty to marry Robert and his to marry Caitlyn. I think this humbles Lyanna and Ned’s words and the quilt force her to grow up. She reluctantly accepts marrying Robert on the condition she gets to keep her son. Ned initially pushes back on this and points out the danger. They come to a compromise that Ned will claim him as his bastard and raise him for a few years before sending him off to squire with Robert and be raised by him and his “Aunt”. I also see the Starks and Baratheons having many more visits with eachother since there is now a family tie. At age 5 John goes to live at Kings landing with his “cousins” and Aunt and Uncle. I think Robert initially is his normal F-boy self but after the first bastard is sired while he’s married to Lyanna she threatens to leave. I think Robert actually changes from this especially if Lyanna complains to Ned and he talks to Robert. Lyanna is still deeply resentful towards Robert killing her true love but Robert is different in this timeline. Despite his infidelity he actually deeply cares for Lyanna. He’s a much better man as a result. He’s happier and drinks less. He’s a better father because Lyanna doesn’t baby their kids and allows them to be raised tough as they are half Stark. This in time causes Lyanna to reluctantly start to care for him although she never is in love with him. I think Robert legitimizes John when he is old enough to become knight. as a favor to Ned and with Lyannas encouraging. This further protects John’s identity.
In my opinion, the most realistic possibility is that Lyanna and Jon go with Howland Reed to the Neck and hide there; safest option and doesn't involve lyanna marrying the killer of her former beloved husband. Probably Benjen Stark would join them, or at least he might not join the Night's Watch for the moment, because in the canon he was the reason behind all the problems in Robert Rebellion and he might have felt embarrased and guilty of what had happened. If you think of it, Benjen was the 2nd in sucession to Winterfell only after Robb, so it didnt make sense to join to Night's Watch, unless of guilt. Probably Bran will go and train as a squire with the Reeds (and probably is engaged with Meera) All the bastards plotline remain the same, although the North will not want to seek for independence as if Stannis dies they have the rightfull heir to the Iron throne.
If Lyanna hides out in the Neck, Jon would probably travel north with Meera and Jojen, where Jon may then tell Bran who he is. Though it's also possible that Jon would join Robb's rebellion as commander of the Crannogmen. Though if Lyanna marries Robert, he'd probably still spiral because he realises it's one-sided, they might end up pretty similar to his marriage with Cersei, but with Lyanna standing up for herself, they may simply not have children, leaving either Stannis as heir, or Robert to have even more bastards and legitimising some.
It would be interesting if she ended up the Queen but also has that dangerous secret of producing that other son prior to a marriage with Robert. Also I definitely think that marriage would also be sour as well.
I think if lyanna lived and married Robert, I think she would’ve at the very least have told a partial truth about what happened with rhaegar that she was the night of the laughing tree and rhaegar found out, but was impressed with her reasoning and that’s why she was given that crown of flowers. She could even say that. Ella new and was also impressed at Adderall that feels like something that could easily happen in drone after all there were many people who were shocked that the prince did that so the idea he was just protecting his cousin’s fiancé from insane father who many people suspect he was planning to depose would be easy to sell
What if Rhaenyra stayed in King’s Landing after Season 1, Episode 7? What if the Greens did some marriage alliances between season 1, episodes 7 and 8?
Ain't no way Renly isn't going to be loyal to Robert's true heir. He's just too far down the pecking order for anyone to take him seriously at this point.
I doubt Robert ever loved Lyanna. He loved the idea of having her. I would prefer a timeline where Lyanna tells Robert off one for killing her husband and two for not punishing Tywin's men for the Slaughter of Rhaegar's children and Elia. "Go back to your whores Lord Stag. I choose the Dragon"
I think that she will marry Robert Baratheon in that case, there is no way that she can't avoid that, and Jon, born with Stark traits, can be passed as Robert's son, a thing that I think Robert can allow as, if he does that, he can marry Lyanna as he want.
What if Aerys sent Elia aegon and Rhaenys to dragonstone alongside Rhaella and Viserys after daenerys was conceived after the trident battle news arrived?
Yeah, that makes her a hypocrite. And you know what? That's perfectly fine by me. It just shows Lyanna, and Rhaegar too for that matter, were flawed human beings. Not those two paragons of either perfection or villainy people, both in universe and outside, usually paint them as.
Sansa did everything Cersei would do and thoguht she was morally superior to everyone because she was a Stark, these characters are hypocrites which is part of the point.
No, the Rebellion started when the Lord of Winterfell and his eldest son were killed. 2nd, I'm sure Robert would have abused Lyanna just as he did to Cersi. If he had the chance. She never even liked Robert.
Lyanna is not the best at thinking. Doesnt like robert cause she thinks he'll cheat only to go for a married man. Also Robert respects Ned to much to hurt her. One letter from her to Ned and its over
@@Augustus_emperor Lol Ned makes excuses for everything Robert does and only softened on women doing their duty because Lyanna died without Lyanna dying Ned would have just told her to suck it up and do nothing which is what Ned did when it came to Roberts bad side, nothing.
What if Tywin took the throne instead of Robert? Probably wouldn’t end well for Tywin but maybe he could somehow convince Robert that he wouldn’t like kingship lol
Perhaps she does keep herself and her son hidden in Essos by sympathetic lords there? Makes a moral kind of sense. OR like you said keeping them hidden with Howland Reed. Only revealing his true origins after Robert is assassinated by Cercei. Being married to a man with a habit of bedding any female crossing his path is not what I can see as a happy marriage. Her feelings might simply make her as repulsed to Robert as Robert was against Cercei. And her hatred secret or not would be a hard pill to swallow, she might even hate the Lannisters (Who doesn't?) for what Tywinn allowed the Mountain to do to Ellia and her children.
it probably would have worked better if people knew the full story. I doubt Dorn would have been as good an ally for Robert Barthian as The North and the Starks. Since Ned lost his father and brother, I can't see Ned killing or betraying his sister. Does his sister take the veil (can she with the Old Gods? She can't become a Septa.) SHE can't go to the Wall.
Orrrr...Ned could still claim that Jon was his bastard son. Jon's "Aunt" could take pity on the child, especially since Catlyn is unexpecting of him. She could ask Robert if they can adopt the baby. Robert sees how much the love of his life is taken with the child, and agrees. But although he will have the stylings and privileges of a prince, he will not be in the line Royal of succession. Jon is eventually betrothed to Staniss's daughter Sharinne, and becomes the Lord of Storm's End.
a lot of pro-Baratheon and anti-Targ writers have used this similar concept to make Dany the ultimate villain in their au's. Lyanna doesn't survive but rather there's some true Baratheon born from Robert and Cersei, either a son or a daughter, doesn't matter because everywhere the OC goes, everyone wants them on the Iron Throne. if they meet Jon Snow, it's either a love story or it's just him saying he has no interest in the Throne, so he ends up siding with the Baratheon OC. anyway, it's similar in the case that Westeros is more unified and Dany is more villainized, which is total bullshit bc I mean, she's literally doing what her ancestors did: conquering Westeros. no one told Aegon I that he could do it, he went out and did it and his family ruled for three centuries. then his family lost and the throne was usurped. there is no "she's the rightful heir" or "no, since he's a male, he's the rightful heir", like Varys said, "power resides where we believe it resides." Robert had no right to the Throne and he took it because he had more power. if Dany has the power to take the Throne, she'll take it.
He has a small right due to a Targaryen grandmother, and with all the Targs death or exiled, only Jon, unknowledged, has a better right than Robert...and a united Westeros will defeat Daenerys without a doubt.
@@IceAlvaro13 except Dany isn’t a villain, she might be seen as one to maybe half the country, but the other half will remember that ever since Robert claimed the throne, bad stuff has happened and ever since he died wars have been ongoing. A Targaryen coming in with three dragons might just be a ‘sign’ from the smallfolk that she was destined for the throne. The rest of the nobles will have to be convinced, but ultimately Dany will be a queen, either in Essos or in Westeros.
There's an easy scenario if lyanna died in childbirth, "let's see what the half dragon is worth in a hunt" jon gets a better job instead of the wall and it's joffreys reign before the story is worthy of a series
What if Rhaenyra married Craegan Stark? What if she married the Blackwood kid? What if she refused to marry? What if she married Gwayne Hightower? What if she ran away with Ser Christon?
I can’t imagine that Lyanna would marry Rhaegar. I believe it was forced upon her. She did not want to be with Robert because he was a brute and could not be faithful. Rhaegar was MARRIED with children already. In my mind, a woman like Lyanna would not have been okay being the other woman.
I was thinking one of the scenarios would carry forward with Robert marrying Lyanna but also knowing of/keeping Jon. In a scenario that draws parallels from Witcher 3's Bloody Barron and Anna/Tamara. Specifically with how Anna mocks/theorizes that Tamara wasnt his. Basically, itd be one where Robert still loves Lyanna so much that he loves Jon too cause he's more of her. Specially because of the hair. But Lyanna grows bitter that he killed her 'real love', and Robert suffers for it. Which drives him into his drinking and tantrums anyway, and Jon would calm him. Since he still embodied that part of Lyanna that Robert tell in love with. Soon enough, Lyanna wouldve ended up pregnant again. Theyd still find their 'moments' from time to time. But a bitter Lyanna not wanting to deliver this child (named Dea 😉) would drink a potion to that effect. Robert would find out, and become furious that he'd strike out at her in a way where even Jon is fed up. Cause he actually hit his mother for the first time. He and his mother would escape to Winterfell. By which time, Jon would find out who he really is. And then the series would end with a poetically just conclusion, of a Targaryen righteously rebelling against a Baratheon. As opposed to the start. Naturally this means no Dany and dragons since Barristan would stay put. And I believe the walkers only got through because they got a dragon to break the wall. Otherwise, Brandon the Builder's magic would keep them at bay.
12:21 cat will npt let a bastard near the queen and king puttimg her shame display she was a cruel cold hearted women to john also she loved robb bit was stupid and lost his ear for him even more then his love did
What if Jon Arryn sided with the mad king and killed Robert and Ned stark when they were at his home? Cause i believe that it was said in the got lore and history that rob and ned where at Jon's home when he got the order from aerys
What if Viserys and Daemon brother Aegon was alive. Because remember they did have another brother but he died, so if he was alive would he be the middle ground between Viserys and Daemon, or be like Deamon or like Viserys. Also when part 2 of what if Deamon and Mysaria had a son because I what to see him claim the Cannibal.
In all honesty, I don't think RB loved her. Like Rhaegar, he used her, but to take the throne, RB has Targaryen blood, the line is a bastard line of the Targaryens and his grandmother was a Targaryen. I feel like he seen Aerys as sad and pathetic, nothing like a true knight and king should be. So Lyanna being taken was an excuse to take the throne. Such a whoremonger, I don't believe he cared, only played it up around Ned to keep him a close ally. RB was a bad King, he let the Lannister run around doing whatever, taking over the red keep by filling them with soley Lannister supporters, none are really RB's and if they are, they are drunks. I think he regrets using her as an excuse to take the crown since he doesn't get anything from it really. He could drink and bed any wench he wanted without the crown. So, I think his sadness and lack of fight has to do with, "this is what I fought for" type of deal and him realizing it wasn't worth it in the end. His wife is crazy, his son is crazy, he doesn't even notice the other two, everyone is plotting and scheming around him, even his own brothers, because the second RB dies, they would both jump into action regardless since a bastard would sit the throne, SB knew the truth, RenlyB was being fed poison through honey words by LT. RB even hints at it himself by saying he could just leave and be a sell sword, but the thought of his crazy son on the throne stops him. Funny how he got rid of the mad king only to "father" a mad son. Also Joffrey's madness could have came from both bloodlines, The Baratheon-Targaryen blood and then the double incest on the Lannister side, since Tywin married his cousin Joanna, then Cersei and Jaime, but seeing how his two younger siblings turned out good and sweet, since cersei's attention was on Joffrey, the other two had a fair chance to grow up normal, the only thing being Tommen being tormented by Joffrey making him soft and shy.
Oh please May Elias ghost haunt them Lyana, rhaegar, aerys and that arthur dwayne are toxic hippocrates Rip Elia Hope martin does dornish people good Let jon be a wolf and not get involved in his parents mess
Lyanna surviving is the ASOIAF equivalent of Padme surviving childbirth
padme did survive childbrith she died from saddest after giving brith
I imagine Lyanna would be a wonderful “aunt” to Jon. She’d find a place for him at court and make up an excuse saying it was to get him away from Cat out of respect for her. Cat would be very pleased by this and Robert could just assume Lyanna has taken a liking to her nephew. Best part, Jon gets a motherly figure at last!
Hell, no. She would not bring him anywhere NEAR court or Robert. The last thing she wants is anyone noticing a family resemblance, or thinking he looks more like her than Ned, or, at some point in his maturation, showing his kingship to Rhaegar. You can't say for sure what a kid will look like as they grow. And she would not want anyone even remotely associating her, Jon & the concept of motherhood, lest someone say, "hey, wait a minute..."
On top of that, it would be hard on her, because she would never be able to be a "mother" to Jon. As queen, her A#1 job is to be a mother to the KING'S children. She would have to bear Robert's kids and they would get the priority and she would be expected to act as their mother. She would HAVE to treat Jon as less than they. She could not be any more than an aunt to Jon. She would also be expected to be an actual aunt to Shireen and any other kids Stannis or Renly have, and they would be trueborn, and also expected to have higher status. So she would have to treat her first baby as less than the offspring of her brothers-in-law. Any undue or "excessive" interest she showed in Jon might make Robert annoyed or resentful (he's already going to be plenty annoyed at all the ways Lyanna is not living up to his fantasy of an ideal, submissive and affirming wife), and unlike Catelyn, he has the power to do something about it.
Let's not forget, a common way for a noble to raise their children is to foster them off, and the normal way for a bastard is to especially foster them off out of the way. And that generally means someone of equal or lower status. Ned's bastard should be fostered with a friendly family in the region where he was born, or with one of Ned's allies or vassal families. Preferably someone like the Royces or Daynes, to keep him well away from any inheritance he might start getting ideas about. And the issue Catelyn has with Jon is not his presence, but what his presence MEANS. In Winterfell, receiving the same education and training as Robb, being publicly presented as a son of Ned, makes him a viable contender as Ned's heir. Not in the normal course of events, but odd situations come up. The events of the show, where Catelyn's sons are dead (or presumed so), and Jon is acclaimed the heir over Sansa, because the times call for a military leader and Jon can do things Sansa or Arya can't or are not given the chance to ... that is EXACTLY what Catelyn is afraid of. If Jon is not raised in Winterfell and widely known through the North as Ned's biological son, no one is acclaiming him as the new head of House Stark. So Jon being fostered at court with Aunt Lyanna is actually worse. Because while he won't be making the connections and have the familiarity with the North & Winterfell that he does in OTL, at court he will have more chances to earn the favor of Aunt Lyanna's husband, the King. And maybe someday, if everything goes to shit and there is a succession crisis in the North, maybe King Robert, or his succeeding son by Lyanna, decides that they prefer Jon as Warden of the North & Lord of Winterfell over Sansa's husband, and rule in his favor. Or King Rickard Baratheon gets pissed at something cousin Robb does, and decides he would simply rather have the cousin he knows, instead of the one at the far end of the kingdom whom he has met on only a couple of visits.
Jon being raised by Lyanna creates more problems than it solves.
What if Rhaenyra married Gwayne Hightower? (or alternatively, what if Rhaenyra took Gwayne as her lover instead of Harwin Strong)
Otto wouldnt oppose Rhaenyra's ascent to the throne but he wouldnt oppose Aegon's either. After all, a Hightower sits on the iron throne regardless. However, if Gwain is a lover, Otto would probably lean more to Aegon as he's legitimate. Allicent would be pissed at Gwain for sleeping with the married princess and pissed at Rhaenyra for turning her brother into her boytoy
The family dynamic would be a MASSIVE mess even more so than before. We’d need even more popcorn to watch
Rhaenyra should have married Aegon. Otto Hightower proposed this to Viserys at that big hunt. Yes Rhaenyra was 16 and Aegon was 2, but he would grew up and during that time Rhaenyra would have been a positive influence in his life and he would have grown up a better person. And they would be King and Queen together. Peace time ruling Aegon would likely be bored and she could run things. And no succession crisis. Her bloodline continued. And yes the heir would have Hightower blood,but I Don't thing Rhaenyra would ever warmed to the Hightowers and so their influence would have been limited.
If I were Rhaenyra I would have married the shit out of Otto Hightower and force him to give me children. All problems solved.
I think that Otto might lean toward Rhayneria for the succession. If they’d married they’d likely have legitimate children. Alicent didn’t want to oppose Rhayneria until Otto started spewing his propaganda to her and I don’t see that happening in this situation. Plus their heir would have a dragon and then the heir of Oldtown or whatever house they are would have a dragon.
Personally I think if Lyanna essentially sacrificed herself to do her duty to Robert and keep her son safe she would despise him and they would have a relationship with him loving her and her wanting absolutely nothing to do with him. I also feel like she would insist that even if the world at large couldn’t know Jons true parentage that Jon at least knows. Also if Rhaegar convinced her of the song of ice and fire after the trip north I can totally see Lyanna perhaps not outright killing Robert but arranging his death and putting jon on the throne.
She might even drink moon tea to prevent any unwanted pregnancies with Robert if she couldn’t keep him out of her bed.
But the idea of her finding a way to kill Robert and place Jon on the throne is just perfect.
I hate her because of her so many people died
I think Lyanna marryng Robert will keep Jon safe, as a boy with Stark traits, Jon can be passed as a Robert's son and it will keep him safe.
I disagree that it would be that difficult to get Lyanna and baby Jon out of the seven kingdoms. At that point there were still many Houses loyal to the Targaryens that would gladly help them escape and could get them reunited with Dany and Viserys. In that timeline Lyanna, being so strong-willed and with Jon being the rightful heir, could keep the kids from going down the path they did. This could also end up with the "dragon [having] three heads" scenario. I don't know how this would affect the re-emergence of magic in the world, though if any of the kids get married I could still see them getting gifted the eggs. Maybe in that timeline you could have three riders for three dragons that could more easily reclaim the Seven Kingdoms.
A 2nd Aegon's Conquest
Wouldn't gladly considering what lyanna represents.
@@fightingmedialounge519 What does she represent?
@@TannerWeinberg the royal family failing to perform their duties and launching the kingdoms into a horrifying war
@fightingmedialounge519 The fact that most houses still stood with them tells me that it wouldn't be difficult to find a few houses still loyal to them directly as the war is ending. Barristan Selmy is one example of someone who would absolutely have helped them escape, given that he was still singing Rhaegar's praises in Game of Thrones over a decade after the end of the war. I wouldn't suggest that everyone would remain loyalists immediately after. Maybe "gladly" was the wrong verbage, "in hopes of gaining influence upon the Targaryen return to power" and "definitely willing to aid them" would probably be more accurate descriptors.
I really hate that the show runners named Jon Aegon. It makes no sense why they’d use that name, unless they were trying to include some remnant of the Faegon plot.
I have three ideas on what Jon book Targaryen name would be, if he had one at all.
Jaeharys or Aemon, popular options with thematic and lore evidence to back them.
Or some male variation of Visenya, like Visenys. Rhaeger named his children after members of the first three Royal Targayen, and he insisted on a third "The dragon must have three heads" its likely he expected to have a girl to be named Visenya, but was so self-confident Lyanna would birth a daughter, he never thought up a male name just in cause, and Lyanna created a male variant on the fly.
Only thing I disagree with (thus far) is that Lyanna and Robert would absolutely have a son named Eddard or some variation thereof.
What if Myrcella lived. She is still poisoned, but the ship had something to help her. She is still weak and bed ridden so season 6 still plays almost completely the same save for it being her sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the season instead of Cersei. She knew she was a Bastard so knows she doesn't have a right to it, but if she wanted revenge on the Sand Snakes for how they killed the Martells would she play the role.
She's still alive in the book
@SjofnBM1989 as far as I can tell they go by the show with taking some ideas from the book if something was more cleared up there.
@@DarkApostleNoek In the books with Arianne the things can be different.
You know another thing I could totally picture Lyanna giving Catlynn a fucking word about guest right and why she needs to treat Jon a lot better
I could see her moving to Essos and raising Viserys, Dani and Jon as an extended family ?
Same XD
I thing Viserys wouldn't welcome her, honestly, he always think that Lyanna is Rhaegar's wore, instead a wife or a lover...in addition, he can think that Jon could be a threat in the future, need to remember that Viserys was a mad Targaryen.
I like the idea of Laena stark telling her family she leaving with regar to get married. That a few family members are at the wedding and the family has no reason to support robbers rebellion.
She was running away from her family! Her family set her up to marry a guy she was having doubts about, and believed would never be faithful to her. No way she's telling Rickard ahead of time, so he can stop it. Because A. Rickard is making these alliances for a reason. Given that Starks almost exclusively marry northerners or families with First Men ties, like the Blackwoods or Royces, he almost certainly had a specific reason to marry his eldest son & only daughter to the daughter of a Lord Paramount and another Lord Paramount, and meanwhile, fostered his other son with yet another Lord Paramount. Rickard, Hoster & Jon Arryn were planning something and it was probably a move against the king, to check his power or stand up to his erratic governing style. Given the trajectory of the dwindling power and stature of the Targaryens with the loss of their dragons, it was inevitable that the nobles would start to push for more say in the governance of the realm. But whatever he is up to, Lyanna running off with Rhaeger ruins it, and unless you have hard proof of what Rickard sought to get from a marriage to Robert and what the Starks could hope to gain from Rhaegar instead, there is no way the Starks would accept her choice. B. Even if she wasn't already betrothed, there is no reason for them to be happy about her becoming the mistress of the crown prince. It's considered shameful, her children would be bastards, and it automatically brings tension with the Martells. And a guy who would shame in such a manner a woman who is, by all accounts, perfectly nice and a good wife, of a great noble family, who has given him two children, including a son, is not remotely a great catch, by Westeros standards.
The only reason why John Aryn died was because he found out that Cersi's kids were Jamie's bastard's, and was killed for knowing that knowledge, so John Aryn would probably have lived for longer
Littlefinger had him killed to further his schemes to make war between the Starks and Lannisters. Him finding out about the bastards was just a good cover for him to use for why the "Lannisters" killed him.
Yooo please do a part 2 of this it's fantastic
I'm not convinced Lyanna was really fully on board to just run away. Remember Rhaegar was both prophecy obsessed and known to have a silver tongue. Not to mention running off on a flight of fancy was massively out of character for her. She's not one to believe in love at true sight and a silver hair prince trying to sweep her off her feet is likely to get a kick between the legs more than a romance.
Edit: I just thought of something. Imagine if Miya Stone and John Snow being engaged in this timeline. Imagine if they're given a chance to make a new house name, something like Frostrock or Tundra or something. A way to poke fun at 'their' bastard nature. Throw them lands in The Gift and Jon still becomes a major part of The Night Watch storyline as one of their main suppliers and strongest allies.
I can see Jon falling for Mya. He likes that fiery character in a woman after all (or should I say "stormy" in this instance).
@@fourth-dimensionalbeing9737nice one 🤣
True it's out of character if it was 'in the moment' but I fully believe that she and rheagar had been having an affair for AWHILE, so not out of character if they were already messing around before the 'kidnapping'
You saying she didnt believe in love at first sight is projection. Her being a mix of Sansa & Arya fits how Ned parents but later laments he didnt squash Sansas fantastical ideals
How that 'affair' would go? Letters were HANDLED directly by MAESTERS all the time...how would Lyanna receive and send letters from and for Rhaegar WITHOUT Rickard ever knowing? Secret courriers? Meh...EASIER to see her as a spoiled, if sheltered, brat that for a chance at scaping marriage with a skirtchaser that got seduced by a prophesy obsessed silver tongued prince and ended up getting her family and a LOT of people killed.
I could see in this timeline, Lyanna encouraging her son Steffon reaching out and purposing marriage to Dany, after Robert's death.
Not sure if you take requests, what if Jon Snow did not join the watch. Because after reading the books it seems like that would effects the Starks a lot more than the Knights Watch.
Just for fun. What if Alicent and Rhaenyra's kids decided not to partake in their mother's feud?
i think the will be no war i guess but i love you're idea good one
Another great one bro 💪🏾
Much appreciated as always
Stay well bro
All she needed to do was leave a note to her family saying "hey, I'm okay, but I'm running off with a married man, don't start a revolutionary war or anything whilst I'm gone" so if she lives and explains to Ned, he's going to be pretty annoyed at the countless deaths she caused
(Reads title): “The RNG in my CK3-AGOT timelines could never”
please I love your stuff, Rhaegar has no reason to name 2 of his sons Aegon
What if Rhaenyra took Gwayne Hightower as a Lover instead of Harwin Strong?
What if Lucerys lost his eye *instead* of Aemond?
What if both Lucerys & Aemond died in episode 10?
What if Aemma Arryn last child, Baelon was born a girl that married Aegon-II?
What if Viserys had Aegon II married Rhaenyra *After* Laenor’s death?
What if Rhaenyra was like Jaehaerys The Conciliator?
What if Rhaenyra Targaryen married Borros Baratheon?
What if Viserys-I made Rhaenyra Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Viserys-I made Rhaenys Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Viserys-I made Daemon Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Rhaenyra married Otto after Alicent married Viserys?
What if Aegon-III lived longer and made his Daughter Daena hair after the death of his sons?
What if Myrcella “Baratheon” married Robb Stark instead Joffrey & Sansa?
✅ *What if Lyanna Stark lived?* ✅
What if Jamie Lannister was at the Tower Of Joy instead of Gerold Hightower?
@@matheusdemello2323 Daemon would have a stroke if Rhaenyra took Otto's son as a lover.
@@amorojaz27 he'd have a bigger stroke if Rhae picked Otto
@@ifeeldead463 Rhaenyra has slightly better taste than that.
@@amorojaz27 eh true, just saying if you want to give Daemon a stroke he ca never recover from, Otto's right there
@@ifeeldead463 true, but Rhaenyra would rather jump off the Tower of the Hand than marry Otto.
I think with the second timeline, if Robert still dies in a hunting accident(Lancel could still be his squire to appease the Lannisters), Tywin would plot with the Tyrells to put Renly on the throne. Perhaps instead of Cersei being married to Edmure, she’s married to Willas instead.
What if Steffon Darklyn actually claimed Seasmoke? That'd be neat, especially for the repercussions for House Darklyn.
•What if Ned asked Robert to legitimise John?
•What if Kathelyn was baren?
•What if Ned never found out about Cerce having bastards?
• What if Littlefinger loved Lysa instead of Kathelyn?
•What if the purple wedding never happened?
• What if Viserys keeps Alicent as a lover and doesn't marry her?
•What if Larys sided with Rhaenyra?
Kathelyn?
@@IceAlvaro13 Catelyn Stark.
What if the dragons recovered after the dance? Imagine the blackfyre rebellions and aerys II with dragons
I think if Lyanna lived and married Robert. The Lannisters are going to be pissed beyond belief. Hence option 3: Lyanna lives, but Robert sets her aside for Cersei (at Jon Arryn’s advice) and she lives in the North.
I don’t think Robert ever would set her aside, he just went to literal war over her.
Agreed.He fought against the Dynasty and won just to get her back.Lannister Support was nice but Robert didn't really need it.He had already won the war.Robert might have been the only man in the Seven Kingdoms who didn't fear Tywin Lannister.What could Tywin even do?Hold the Capital against Ned and taking the Iron Throne for himself,fighting four of the Seven Kingdoms because Robert wouldn't make his daughter Queen?
@@timoteimiclaus4996 While the possibility may come to mind. Tywin isn't that stupid (Cersei, maybe) to pull anything that drastic. Especially if Lyanna is alive. But a simple thank you isn't going to be enough for him. If Cersei isn't to be queen, then the alternative may be to have Jaime exchanged for, say, Tyrion. In that, Jaime is removed from the Kingsguard and is made heir to Casterly Rock again, and Tyrion is fostered in Kings Landing.
The other alternative is for Lyanna to meet an 'accident' when returning to Kings Landing. Again, all eyes would fall on Tywin if such a thing were to happen, and he knows it.
There is literally nothing short of killing Lyanna and blaming it on someone else that Tywin or any other Lannister could do to stop Robert from marrying Lyanna.
Tywin wouldn't have made his move on King's Landing under the expectation of marrying Cersei to Robert given that at that time he would have presumed that Robert would be marrying Lyanna anyway. He did it so as not to end up on the losing side in the war.
As to marriage matches for Cersei, to Stannis is probably going to be one of the possibilities under consideration. Edmure Tully is another. Or Tywin might keep it in the family and find a suitable Lannister cousin.
What if Lyanna really did fake her death and she is living as Jyanna Reed?
I think that if Lyanna survived, she would have married and fulfilled the oath to Robert. Ned would claim Jon as his bastard but he would ask Robert and Lyanna to foster Jon to save him the shame of raising a bastard in the presence of Catelyn. Robert would agree to do anything for his closest friend and brother he chose. This way Lyanna would raise Jon as one of her own out of loyalty to her brother with Robert none the wiser to the fact that he is her own.
Second option is that Jon would be sent to house Dayne to be raised instead. Ned was close to Ashara and journeyed there to return Dawn. It would be easy to hide Jon at Starfall in the territory of Dorne and far from Robert’s eyes. There Jon could be trained and eventually become a great knight or a kingsguard like Ser Arthur. If there was not a clear succession after Robert’s passing. He could come forward at a great council or in a civil war with the support of the North and Dorne as well as other Targaryen Loyalist. This starts him with 2 of the largest militaries in Westeros. It would be easy for him to get the Hightower and Tyrell to join. Potentially by marrying Maergery even. That leaves the Stormlands, riverlands, crownlands, vale and westerlands to overcome. I believe that the vale and riverlands would support him through their connections to the North and by exposing that Ned had not dishonored Catelyn who is a Tully from the Riverlands. Her sister Lyza is crazy but would support Catelyn after a time. Stannis and Renlyn would be crushed by the Dornish/Reach forces while the North/Riverlands/Vale pushed against the Westerlands. Eventually they would fall as well. I think that Ned would be alive to lead the North so Walter Frey and Rose Bolton would not dare to rebel. Robb would likely be betrothed to a daughter of the Dayne as repayment for fostering Jon. At most Bran would marry a Frey daughter.
Jon going to the Daynes is probably more likely if Lyanna lived especially if Jon grew up to have Targaryen features. I dont see Lyanna risking it by having Jon in Kings Landing.
I would make "arreljay" the first syllables of a spell that we later see completed, thus completely ganking everyone's head cannon
I think that this Is one more interesting posibility if Lyanna marry Robert it Is posible that she not be able to have any children as consekvence of Jon's birth. And after Robert died Lyanna push Jon to be king and to united Targeryans by maridge between Jon and Daenerys
Can’t wait for what if Jon Arryn lived or at least long enough to tell Robert the truth
And what if Stannis stays in kings landing when Jon Arryn dies
I'm surpurised no one has ever made a "What if Lyanna wrote a letter to her family."
More importantly, do we still get the direwolves?!?!
Idea: What if Aemond and Vhagar survive the Battle Above the God's Eye but Daemon and Caraxes do not?
The greens just win
Then the Blacks are over.
Here’s how I see it going.
Ned has a very serious talk with Lyanna. Tells her all of the affects of her selfish decision. It’s her fault their father and brother are dead. All over her childish impulse. A whole war faught over her reckless decision. Her lover is dead over that decision. Ned tells her it’s her duty to marry Robert and his to marry Caitlyn. I think this humbles Lyanna and Ned’s words and the quilt force her to grow up. She reluctantly accepts marrying Robert on the condition she gets to keep her son. Ned initially pushes back on this and points out the danger. They come to a compromise that Ned will claim him as his bastard and raise him for a few years before sending him off to squire with Robert and be raised by him and his “Aunt”. I also see the Starks and Baratheons having many more visits with eachother since there is now a family tie. At age 5 John goes to live at Kings landing with his “cousins” and Aunt and Uncle.
I think Robert initially is his normal F-boy self but after the first bastard is sired while he’s married to Lyanna she threatens to leave. I think Robert actually changes from this especially if Lyanna complains to Ned and he talks to Robert. Lyanna is still deeply resentful towards Robert killing her true love but Robert is different in this timeline. Despite his infidelity he actually deeply cares for Lyanna. He’s a much better man as a result. He’s happier and drinks less. He’s a better father because Lyanna doesn’t baby their kids and allows them to be raised tough as they are half Stark. This in time causes Lyanna to reluctantly start to care for him although she never is in love with him.
I think Robert legitimizes John when he is old enough to become knight. as a favor to Ned and with Lyannas encouraging. This further protects John’s identity.
In my opinion, the most realistic possibility is that Lyanna and Jon go with Howland Reed to the Neck and hide there; safest option and doesn't involve lyanna marrying the killer of her former beloved husband.
Probably Benjen Stark would join them, or at least he might not join the Night's Watch for the moment, because in the canon he was the reason behind all the problems in Robert Rebellion and he might have felt embarrased and guilty of what had happened. If you think of it, Benjen was the 2nd in sucession to Winterfell only after Robb, so it didnt make sense to join to Night's Watch, unless of guilt.
Probably Bran will go and train as a squire with the Reeds (and probably is engaged with Meera)
All the bastards plotline remain the same, although the North will not want to seek for independence as if Stannis dies they have the rightfull heir to the Iron throne.
If Lyanna hides out in the Neck, Jon would probably travel north with Meera and Jojen, where Jon may then tell Bran who he is. Though it's also possible that Jon would join Robb's rebellion as commander of the Crannogmen.
Though if Lyanna marries Robert, he'd probably still spiral because he realises it's one-sided, they might end up pretty similar to his marriage with Cersei, but with Lyanna standing up for herself, they may simply not have children, leaving either Stannis as heir, or Robert to have even more bastards and legitimising some.
It would be interesting if she ended up the Queen but also has that dangerous secret of producing that other son prior to a marriage with Robert. Also I definitely think that marriage would also be sour as well.
what if aegon aemond jacaerys and lucerys got along when they were younger
I think if lyanna lived and married Robert, I think she would’ve at the very least have told a partial truth about what happened with rhaegar that she was the night of the laughing tree and rhaegar found out, but was impressed with her reasoning and that’s why she was given that crown of flowers. She could even say that. Ella new and was also impressed at Adderall that feels like something that could easily happen in drone after all there were many people who were shocked that the prince did that so the idea he was just protecting his cousin’s fiancé from insane father who many people suspect he was planning to depose would be easy to sell
What if Rhaenyra stayed in King’s Landing after Season 1, Episode 7?
What if the Greens did some marriage alliances between season 1, episodes 7 and 8?
what if jon snow looked like a targaryen?
Ain't no way Renly isn't going to be loyal to Robert's true heir. He's just too far down the pecking order for anyone to take him seriously at this point.
I can see the oldest son of Robert being married to Margery Tyrell
Nope: Robert "loved" Lyanna because he never had her. That was his way: be mad for them in the nighttime, forget them in the morning.
Day two of asking you for that Maegor fan fic 😭😭
I doubt Robert ever loved Lyanna. He loved the idea of having her. I would prefer a timeline where Lyanna tells Robert off one for killing her husband and two for not punishing Tywin's men for the Slaughter of Rhaegar's children and Elia.
"Go back to your whores Lord Stag. I choose the Dragon"
I think that she will marry Robert Baratheon in that case, there is no way that she can't avoid that, and Jon, born with Stark traits, can be passed as Robert's son, a thing that I think Robert can allow as, if he does that, he can marry Lyanna as he want.
What is Jon was born with white hair??
Or purple eyes
@@forcecaptainoverlordsuprem2964 or both!
Then he will be killed, except if Ned send him to Essos to save him.
I don't think Lyanna would ever abandon Jon
What if Aerys sent Elia aegon and Rhaenys to dragonstone alongside Rhaella and Viserys after daenerys was conceived after the trident battle news arrived?
it always amuses me -
Lyanna didn't like that Robert slept around.....as she you know fooled around with Elia Martel's husband.
Yeah, that makes her a hypocrite. And you know what? That's perfectly fine by me. It just shows Lyanna, and Rhaegar too for that matter, were flawed human beings. Not those two paragons of either perfection or villainy people, both in universe and outside, usually paint them as.
Sansa did everything Cersei would do and thoguht she was morally superior to everyone because she was a Stark, these characters are hypocrites which is part of the point.
So like can a part 2 be made to this with dany coming and maybe Jon finds out he is a targaryen
You should try 'What If Ned pretended Jon Snow was Howland Reed's Bastard'
No, the Rebellion started when the Lord of Winterfell and his eldest son were killed.
2nd, I'm sure Robert would have abused Lyanna just as he did to Cersi. If he had the chance. She never even liked Robert.
Lyanna is not the best at thinking. Doesnt like robert cause she thinks he'll cheat only to go for a married man. Also Robert respects Ned to much to hurt her. One letter from her to Ned and its over
@@Augustus_emperor Lol Ned makes excuses for everything Robert does and only softened on women doing their duty because Lyanna died without Lyanna dying Ned would have just told her to suck it up and do nothing which is what Ned did when it came to Roberts bad side, nothing.
What if Tywin took the throne instead of Robert? Probably wouldn’t end well for Tywin but maybe he could somehow convince Robert that he wouldn’t like kingship lol
What if Rhaenyra married Prince Qoren Martell and brought Dorne into a unified Westeros earlier than OTL?
What if the White Walkers invaded after Aemond killed Lucerys.
In HOTD the White Walkers would win for sure.
Perhaps she does keep herself and her son hidden in Essos by sympathetic lords there?
Makes a moral kind of sense.
OR like you said keeping them hidden with Howland Reed. Only revealing his true origins after Robert is assassinated by Cercei.
Being married to a man with a habit of bedding any female crossing his path is not what I can see as a happy marriage.
Her feelings might simply make her as repulsed to Robert as Robert was against Cercei.
And her hatred secret or not would be a hard pill to swallow, she might even hate the Lannisters (Who doesn't?) for what Tywinn allowed the Mountain to do to Ellia and her children.
it probably would have worked better if people knew the full story.
I doubt Dorn would have been as good an ally for Robert Barthian as The North and the Starks.
Since Ned lost his father and brother, I can't see Ned killing or betraying his sister.
Does his sister take the veil (can she with the Old Gods? She can't become a Septa.)
SHE can't go to the Wall.
What if hugh hammer was legitimized
What if viserys and daenerys were made wards rather than going into exile
I'd love to see your views on these
Orrrr...Ned could still claim that Jon was his bastard son. Jon's "Aunt" could take pity on the child, especially since Catlyn is unexpecting of him. She could ask Robert if they can adopt the baby. Robert sees how much the love of his life is taken with the child, and agrees. But although he will have the stylings and privileges of a prince, he will not be in the line Royal of succession. Jon is eventually betrothed to Staniss's daughter Sharinne, and becomes the Lord of Storm's End.
a lot of pro-Baratheon and anti-Targ writers have used this similar concept to make Dany the ultimate villain in their au's. Lyanna doesn't survive but rather there's some true Baratheon born from Robert and Cersei, either a son or a daughter, doesn't matter because everywhere the OC goes, everyone wants them on the Iron Throne. if they meet Jon Snow, it's either a love story or it's just him saying he has no interest in the Throne, so he ends up siding with the Baratheon OC. anyway, it's similar in the case that Westeros is more unified and Dany is more villainized, which is total bullshit bc I mean, she's literally doing what her ancestors did: conquering Westeros. no one told Aegon I that he could do it, he went out and did it and his family ruled for three centuries. then his family lost and the throne was usurped. there is no "she's the rightful heir" or "no, since he's a male, he's the rightful heir", like Varys said, "power resides where we believe it resides." Robert had no right to the Throne and he took it because he had more power. if Dany has the power to take the Throne, she'll take it.
He has a small right due to a Targaryen grandmother, and with all the Targs death or exiled, only Jon, unknowledged, has a better right than Robert...and a united Westeros will defeat Daenerys without a doubt.
@@IceAlvaro13 except Dany isn’t a villain, she might be seen as one to maybe half the country, but the other half will remember that ever since Robert claimed the throne, bad stuff has happened and ever since he died wars have been ongoing. A Targaryen coming in with three dragons might just be a ‘sign’ from the smallfolk that she was destined for the throne. The rest of the nobles will have to be convinced, but ultimately Dany will be a queen, either in Essos or in Westeros.
If she survives, her and Jon would go to greywater watch.
What if egg brought back the dragons at summerhall
More or less Ned will either make some sort of peace with Robert or it be a battle of the "brothers".
what if the Targaryen where not the only dragon lord that survived the Doom
You know I could still see a marriage pact happening it would just be between Mya and Jon
What if aegom v mennege to hatch a dragon eggs in summerhall?
Jon could join the kingsguard instead of the nights watch.
There's an easy scenario if lyanna died in childbirth, "let's see what the half dragon is worth in a hunt" jon gets a better job instead of the wall and it's joffreys reign before the story is worthy of a series
What if Rhaenyra married Craegan Stark? What if she married the Blackwood kid? What if she refused to marry? What if she married Gwayne Hightower? What if she ran away with Ser Christon?
do the one where tirion goes to the wall after trial
Lyana would press for Aegon (Jon) to take the throne.
Robert would kill her. At this point he has already killed Prince Rhaegar. He would tear down every Targaryen. Including her brand new babe.
Wouldn’t it be cool if there was a what if animation series like marvel did but game of thrones.
What if that boar had killed rhaneyra in kingswood
When are we getting your analysis for The Red Sowing?
Friday. Saturday at the latest.
I can’t imagine that Lyanna would marry Rhaegar. I believe it was forced upon her. She did not want to be with Robert because he was a brute and could not be faithful. Rhaegar was MARRIED with children already. In my mind, a woman like Lyanna would not have been okay being the other woman.
Cope harder
Gonna ask this one again What If Corlys actually died in episode 7
What If dragonseeds didn't betrayal Rhaenyra
The blacks just win
What if the COTF had large numbers as much as the first men and Andals?
I was thinking one of the scenarios would carry forward with Robert marrying Lyanna but also knowing of/keeping Jon.
In a scenario that draws parallels from Witcher 3's Bloody Barron and Anna/Tamara. Specifically with how Anna mocks/theorizes that Tamara wasnt his.
Basically, itd be one where Robert still loves Lyanna so much that he loves Jon too cause he's more of her. Specially because of the hair. But Lyanna grows bitter that he killed her 'real love', and Robert suffers for it. Which drives him into his drinking and tantrums anyway, and Jon would calm him. Since he still embodied that part of Lyanna that Robert tell in love with.
Soon enough, Lyanna wouldve ended up pregnant again. Theyd still find their 'moments' from time to time. But a bitter Lyanna not wanting to deliver this child (named Dea 😉) would drink a potion to that effect.
Robert would find out, and become furious that he'd strike out at her in a way where even Jon is fed up. Cause he actually hit his mother for the first time.
He and his mother would escape to Winterfell. By which time, Jon would find out who he really is. And then the series would end with a poetically just conclusion, of a Targaryen righteously rebelling against a Baratheon. As opposed to the start.
Naturally this means no Dany and dragons since Barristan would stay put. And I believe the walkers only got through because they got a dragon to break the wall. Otherwise, Brandon the Builder's magic would keep them at bay.
12:21 cat will npt let a bastard near the queen and king puttimg her shame display she was a cruel cold hearted women to john also she loved robb bit was stupid and lost his ear for him even more then his love did
What if Jon Arryn sided with the mad king and killed Robert and Ned stark when they were at his home? Cause i believe that it was said in the got lore and history that rob and ned where at Jon's home when he got the order from aerys
John could join the stark house.
The best timeline
What if both Rhaegar and Lyanna live
What is ROBERT kidnapped Lyanna?
Jon should have been named Edgon. It would have been a nice mash up of names within the families and Rhaegar already had a son named Aegon.
What if Viserys and Daemon brother Aegon was alive.
Because remember they did have another brother but he died, so if he was alive would he be the middle ground between Viserys and Daemon, or be like Deamon or like Viserys.
Also when part 2 of what if Deamon and Mysaria had a son because I what to see him claim the Cannibal.
In all honesty, I don't think RB loved her. Like Rhaegar, he used her, but to take the throne, RB has Targaryen blood, the line is a bastard line of the Targaryens and his grandmother was a Targaryen. I feel like he seen Aerys as sad and pathetic, nothing like a true knight and king should be. So Lyanna being taken was an excuse to take the throne. Such a whoremonger, I don't believe he cared, only played it up around Ned to keep him a close ally. RB was a bad King, he let the Lannister run around doing whatever, taking over the red keep by filling them with soley Lannister supporters, none are really RB's and if they are, they are drunks.
I think he regrets using her as an excuse to take the crown since he doesn't get anything from it really. He could drink and bed any wench he wanted without the crown. So, I think his sadness and lack of fight has to do with, "this is what I fought for" type of deal and him realizing it wasn't worth it in the end. His wife is crazy, his son is crazy, he doesn't even notice the other two, everyone is plotting and scheming around him, even his own brothers, because the second RB dies, they would both jump into action regardless since a bastard would sit the throne, SB knew the truth, RenlyB was being fed poison through honey words by LT.
RB even hints at it himself by saying he could just leave and be a sell sword, but the thought of his crazy son on the throne stops him. Funny how he got rid of the mad king only to "father" a mad son. Also Joffrey's madness could have came from both bloodlines, The Baratheon-Targaryen blood and then the double incest on the Lannister side, since Tywin married his cousin Joanna, then Cersei and Jaime, but seeing how his two younger siblings turned out good and sweet, since cersei's attention was on Joffrey, the other two had a fair chance to grow up normal, the only thing being Tommen being tormented by Joffrey making him soft and shy.
What if elia martell and her children survive .
What if Ned tell Catelyn truth about and after Ned's dead she revil truth and North fith for Jon's claim on throne
these videos are like crack to me
Oh please
May Elias ghost haunt them
Lyana, rhaegar, aerys and that arthur dwayne are toxic hippocrates
Rip Elia
Hope martin does dornish people good
Let jon be a wolf and not get involved in his parents mess
What if Aegon successfully conquered Dorne
The only thing that changes is Rhaenys lives (and actually maybe not). Nothing much changes in the grand scheme of things
These “What ifs” are getting out of control 😂! Hey I got one 🤔, what if Mike Tyson fathered Cersei Lannister’s Children?
What if Jon became king