Precision Over Power??? - Hikoki's Newest Japanese Impact Driver

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  • Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
  • The Newest Japanese Triple Hammer is here! Is it worth the cost to import or should you just wait for the North American model - I'll cover all of that and more!
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  • @Nicky14P
    @Nicky14P 4 місяці тому +1

    Another great video. Love the shirt. I used to live in Salt Lake and I would go to the Scheels in Sandy all the time!

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      Thanks! Yeah I got a free shirt when I bought a bike. Really comfortable shirt.

  • @alphad1395
    @alphad1395 4 місяці тому +1

    Finally! Nice review 🎉🎉

  • @derekrundlett8450
    @derekrundlett8450 3 місяці тому

    I got the yellow one. It’s a real head turner on the job site . On my makita tdt172 I stuck a piece of hard rubber in the collet to compensate for the slop. I’ve had no issues with it. Have yet to do it on my tdt173 and wh36dd.

  • @goncalovazpinto6261
    @goncalovazpinto6261 4 місяці тому +6

    Great review!👍
    Who would have thought Forrest Witaker was so into power tools!😉

  • @brianf9619
    @brianf9619 4 місяці тому +9

    Everyone likes those DeWalt style lights on their impact drivers ....... I think Matabo is pushing that "Right Tool for the Job" mentality and thats why their not pushing more torque in their impact drivers, they want you to use an impact Wrench on those bigger screws , which would be the smart thing to do ..... 👍🖖

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, driving an occasional 8" is certainly capable with these tools, but if you are going to be sinking 100 of them, I would like go for impact wrench at that point.

    • @OlegLitovchenko-t1d
      @OlegLitovchenko-t1d 4 місяці тому +1

      Да,...уж ..."достали" уже в погоне за крутящим моментом ....🤢

  • @MattHmm-rq6dn
    @MattHmm-rq6dn 4 місяці тому +2

    I use jis bit most of the time since I use vessel electric screwdriver but I found the key to go jis to us drivers. Engineer dr-22 is a bit extender that's on us az though not perfect it will let you convert any jis bit on us driver. Give it a try it's 10ish dollars won't solve all wobble but it works. Fyi made in Taiwan disappointing but it's defently impact rated at least.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      I appreciate you sharing. I have already ordered it. honestly wish they made an even shorter one in the 2" range, but I am excited to try it.

    • @MattHmm-rq6dn
      @MattHmm-rq6dn 4 місяці тому

      Yea me too but I have that one and the 6in one there not perfect but it's the best solution I've found. even buzreg hasn't found a perfect solution and he has reach in the Japanese market backship ect.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      I have a smaller one from vessel but even that only works with longer American bits on the the end. The shorter bits have a tendency to make it in there and get stuck. I have tried other items from Engineer before and they have been good. Plus with the double detent this looks like it should work for both types of collets.

  • @dcl97
    @dcl97 4 місяці тому +1

    I like it, I don't need or want an impact driver that makes as much torque as an impact wrench. I have an impact wrench for that. I still think the M18 surge is the best impact Milwaukee makes. Small, quiet, precise, that's what makes a good driver.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      The surge in good for a lot of things and the M12 especially gets picked over the other M12 options almost every time but there are times where I just want more power than it has. But you can’t beat it for quiet or even how nice it is to use.

  • @86Sando
    @86Sando 4 місяці тому +3

    I think it’s cool that Makita and Hikoki bring out impacts in different colors. 👍

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +2

      I honestly don’t understand why Milwaukee or DEWALT don’t do special editions. With the rabid following that they have I think it would just be extra $$$$

    • @86Sando
      @86Sando 4 місяці тому

      “Rabid” haha. Dewalt did a McLaren racing edition but was only available in Europe. Such a shame.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      Yeah they have done that McLaren which is the DCD800 in a different skin and then the 100th anniversary is the DCD799. They have a pretty solid foothold in the Uk from what I understand.

    • @86Sando
      @86Sando 4 місяці тому

      Really wish they released them here is Aus but oh well. I really enjoy your content mate. Keep up the good work.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      We feel the same way. And thanks!

  • @shadow2load
    @shadow2load 4 місяці тому +1

    My best experience with any impact driver is the first gen with an 18v 2ah battery. When I upgraded to the 2nd gen I went for the 36v. The weight of the battery really kills the smooth feel. Wish they could make a 2v slim battery.

    • @sizif717
      @sizif717 4 місяці тому

      Same with me. I use the first gen 18 volt tripplemhammer with the small 3.0Ah battery for 6 years now, every day - and it is a breeze. I have plenty of those batteries in my drawer - so runtime it is never an issue. There is no point in 36V impact driver for now, just more expensive, no more power, just sticking with larger batteries with no option for compactness.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      This is where something like Dewalt's tiny powerstack battery is a really gem. It's small like these batteries but delivers performance more like a 5ah battery, just for not as long. I wish other companies would jump on that idea and give us something like it. Drill and saws see a real benefit from high voltage but the impact seems to be a little unmoved by it.

  • @MadLadsAnonymous
    @MadLadsAnonymous 4 місяці тому

    Good test. Is that the new C3612RSH3 behind you? The new miter saw?

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      It is not. It’s an older Hitachi sliding 12” miter saw. I have considered going cordless though. I have dream saws that I want to buy but they are all a little pricey.

  • @jasonvandervalk3679
    @jasonvandervalk3679 4 місяці тому +9

    In my opinion tools don't need apps.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      I don’t have an issue with a tool having an app as long as 1) there is value in it that would be hard execute outside the app 2) the tool is still completely functional with out it. In this example they could have included the thin screw mode as an additional mode on the tool instead of putting it solely in the app. Having all the customization is great but if I don’t have the Bluetooth battery then I am missing out on potential functionality aside from just the customization.

    • @devonboyer626
      @devonboyer626 4 місяці тому

      on the individual level most people probably don't need apps for their tools. On a business owner/contractor level I could see the apps being extremely useful in regards to outfitting your entire crew. Especially for tool monitoring and consistent, repetitive task management.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      Yeah that is a component that I failed to mention. Tool tracking in terms of location could be really helpful as well

    • @gregorsamsa1364
      @gregorsamsa1364 4 місяці тому +1

      Almost nothing needs an app. But they can provide conveniences

    • @james2042
      @james2042 4 місяці тому +1

      Well its either more on board leds and displays, or a Bluetooth connection to an app. At this point there's not really a good way to improve tools like impacts as we're pretty much maxing out what a 1/4th bit can handle in terms of torque, and more speed just causes more problems with stripping fasteners.
      Apps allowing things like programmable rpms, trigger response curves, programmable torque outputs, and the ability to save these to fastener specific profiles to optimize the driver for a specific fastener, on the fly, would be huge

  • @N1rOx
    @N1rOx 20 днів тому

    I believe the Japanese have a different philosophical approach to their impact drivers vs their American counterparts and is quite analogous in some respects to the auto industry especially when concerning Japan and USA specifically. I believe the Japanese focus on refinement of their impacts and not all out raw specs because, well, you don't need anymore torque. Why do I say this? Well it's because the impact drivers are limited by the bit size and all modern impacts have enough torque to shear the bits as soon as you get closer to "hard" torque application. You can see this happen a lot on the channel Torque Test Channel but it isn't limited to impacting on a bolt. It can happen if you're driving fasteners into hard wood too and many other applications. I believe the Japanese have recognized this limiting factor (bit isn't thick enough) and have decided to refine rather a race towards higher raw numbers. This is clearly evident as both Hikoki and particularly Makita's (999+) impact drivers seem to top out at about the same point in Torque numbers. Of course, we KNOW they can produce an impact driver that is capable of more torque because they make impact wrenches which are capable of more so they are deliberately choosing not to.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  19 днів тому +1

      It definitely does feel like a different objective in design for sure.

  • @mos8541
    @mos8541 4 місяці тому +1

    .. a 36... Double Dee?? hah.. smFh

  • @El_Diablo_LI
    @El_Diablo_LI 4 місяці тому

    @TinkerwithTools My buddy will be traveling to the US later this month from Japan.
    I can check with him to see if he can pick up one of those Yellow Hikoki impact drivers from a local merchant there if you'd like?
    I often ask him to bring some "sold only in Japan" tools over when he comes so there shouldn't be any issues if you'd like me to ask?

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      I appreciate the offer but right now I have all my budget awaiting new releases of tools in the coming weeks so I wouldn’t be able to swing it right now. Cherish that connection though. That is awesome!

  • @clearriver5987
    @clearriver5987 4 місяці тому

    Nice review ⚘️🫶
    what is the max rpm

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      3400 RPM in power mode but it does offer 3700 rpm in its self drilling screw mode.

  • @james2042
    @james2042 4 місяці тому

    Impact drivers were desigened as a solution to cordless drills having no power when battery tech was so current limited. Instead of direct gear reduction they rely on stored potential energy between strikes. Really without going to a bigger striker (like an impact wrench) you cant really do much with an impact driver power wise. Speed is just about the only thing, having the power to turn the motor faster and still hit the hammer hard enough for useful work. Thats why the best imo will drive a screw effortlessly and fall flat on their face for a lag bolt

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      I agree to a certain degree but I also think that is why you have a seen a shift from just lag bolts to have a huge selection of structural fasteners that I basically designed to be driven by an impact driver. It’s not the perfect tool for driving 8” GRKs repeatedly all day but for the occasional larger fastener they will still get the job done.

    • @james2042
      @james2042 4 місяці тому

      @TinkerWithTools of course tools can bleed over into other categories, and a 1/2 inch anvil adapter is a lot smaller than an impact wrench in a toolbox. And some companies make these absolute powerhouse impacts that can do just that. I'd put it along the lines of doing rips in sheet goods with circular saws vs track saws or table saws. Circular saw will get the job done but it's not optimal.

  • @ProxyFinal
    @ProxyFinal 4 місяці тому +2

    It is an improvement over the first generation

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      It is and it’s an improvement in many ways over the second gen Bolt. I just struggle with the fact that without the app connectivity it doesn’t really have a feature other than the light that really stands out as significantly better. And with the 18v bolt at $129 on Amazon most of the time that feels like a more value oriented choice. But make no mistake I do love it.

    • @ProxyFinal
      @ProxyFinal 4 місяці тому +1

      @@TinkerWithTools I was just thinking about the Makita price hike as of late. Despite Metabo HPT also being of Japan origin, they still manage to keep the price relatively on the value spectrum. Makita on the other hand, weak yen currency gave them the excuse to raise price on all their tools. For this reason, I have been looking at alternatives and thank god for Hikoki.

    • @Leonghank
      @Leonghank 4 місяці тому

      @@ProxyFinal Weak Yen should make their product cheaper not more expensive. So it's not an excuse.

  • @JimDoubleYa
    @JimDoubleYa 4 місяці тому

    Do you know if we can import the HiKOKI track saw? I can't find an online store that will import to the U.S.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      I haven't seen anywhere I can buy it. Just a few Hikoki circular saws.

  • @SM-uy7oj
    @SM-uy7oj 4 місяці тому

    Does it overheat? I found that the previous model severely overheated with the longer screws. Thank you.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      I haven’t noticed excessive heat with this one so far. The testing I do is back to back with one impact driver doing all of its tests and I didn’t notice heat from any of them during that. I’ll report back if I notice anything in the future though.

  • @sizif717
    @sizif717 4 місяці тому

    It pretty much seems that the impact drivers are the only power tools that don't benefit from 36V. I suppose they will need to make a bigger , dedicated 36V motor and body - so it be more powerful, which they don't do. It is the same with Makita impact drivers. 36V is only a downside that you can't fit a smaller 2.0Ah or 3.0Ah for lightness and compactness.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, there really isn't much benefit to higher voltage on the impact drivers other than having an impact driver if that is your tool platform.

  • @JimDoubleYa
    @JimDoubleYa 4 місяці тому

    Very cool! They made a big mistake by not carrying over the HiKOKI branding globally. It drives me nuts that it takes us so long to get these tools in the North American market and the Metabo-HPT branding is odd and annoying. They need to rip off the Band-Aid and rebrand for North America. People will gripe for a year, but then we'll all get over it.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      yeah, I think that it would have been as successful as the Metabo name. I think they felt Metabo was more well regarded but it just created confusion.

    • @N1rOx
      @N1rOx 20 днів тому

      Apparently it was because they did a focus group and American's thought that the name Hikoki was Chinese and so presumed it was trash. So they went with Metabo.

  • @georgedavall9449
    @georgedavall9449 4 місяці тому

    This made an ‘Impact’ on my day! 🙄😂🤩

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      Thanks George!

    • @georgedavall9449
      @georgedavall9449 4 місяці тому

      @@TinkerWithTools You’re Welcome !!!! 👍 Oh, BTW, the DCD 799 I purchased has one of the best chucks ever for a DeWalt drill! In fact, it may be one of the best out of all the drills I have owned, with regards to runout?!! I’m glad to see the Quality being stepped up in the Mexico factory! It’s a keeper! $129.00 for the Kit, VS 99.00 for the 794. 799 has a better charger ( although I don't need another one; I will give it to my SON. ). And the 799 kit includes a CP 3.0, VS the 2.0 of the 794 Kit. I know I know, a NO Brainer!
      DCD794 going back, and I will return, and exchange the 800 for another. The gear train in the DCD 800 sounds rough and feels the same? I may just return it? For my heavy duty drill requirements I have the Power Detect drill, as well as the DCD 796, which has been a good drill, and one I primarily use for drilling KREG holes. It has survived being left out in the rain, and keeps on going. Chuck is very good on it, with virtually no run out. Take care!

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      That’s awesome that you got a good one!

  • @vitorgarcia5537
    @vitorgarcia5537 4 місяці тому

    Amazing results... Did u prefer this new hikoki or the makita td173?

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +3

      Tough call. I have always said Hikoki/Metabo HPT's triple hammer is about 90% of what you get from a Makita. I think for the quick insert collet and the location of the control/better light, I would give the 173 a slight edge... but it's close.
      I actually have another video in the works with the comparison between those... so I'll be sure to mention it in that video.

  • @telepolo
    @telepolo 4 місяці тому

    I really like your videos and they are very helpful for people to selecting the one to buy but my gosh you seem to be flooded with tools and batteries there so if you happen to be interested on donating milwaukee or dewalt batteries then it will be greatly appreciated because I use those on a backup inverter to supply power when the power goes off during bad weather emergencies

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      Currently, the tools that I still have are all used in testing. Typically when I move on from older tools I try to find someone local to me to donate them to, but if I ever have something where I decided to move on from large quantities, I'll make it known here on the channel.

    • @telepolo
      @telepolo 4 місяці тому

      @@TinkerWithTools Ok thank you

  • @RayW808
    @RayW808 4 місяці тому

    They shipped Li-Ion batteries international?

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      The seller I bought from only sells the tool. But depending on where you live there are some products that Amazon JP will ship internationally including this tool (at least where I live). But you can also just use the Metabo HPT batteries on this tool if you don’t go that route.

  • @GabrielZuniga-z6n
    @GabrielZuniga-z6n 4 місяці тому

    The big brands are losing to the lowest brands do to half the price same results.

  • @dustinkrebs8229
    @dustinkrebs8229 4 місяці тому

    Is what mode did you have the impact drivers on?

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      All of the impact were in their power mode, where they have max RPM and IPM combination.

  • @tanorkewl8360
    @tanorkewl8360 4 місяці тому

    Sickkkk

  • @sinanates334
    @sinanates334 4 місяці тому +1

    8 inch grk test celarly shows your osb layers give wrong results. I think a 6x6 would be more accurate.Just an advice I like and watched all your tests

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      Could you clarify what you mean by wrong results. While I do think you will get different times with a 6x6 I have found that there are challenges achieving consistent results in a solid wood as well, ie wood splitting, knots etc.

    • @sinanates334
      @sinanates334 4 місяці тому

      @@TinkerWithTools “wrong results” ı mean in some tests. Osb itself is a nonuniform material. Old 18v starts to behave like a 20 year old impact last seconds while screwing 8” grk . I am not criticisng dont get it wrong. Before watching ı expected new 36v one to be slower but its not. Great test

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      Okay I just wanted to understand what you mean. I did run additional 8” GRKs after filming as a check and there were a few that performed more around the 10 second range but then were still one or two that produced that odd behavior. It could also be contributed to the fact that it’s a 5 year (to me) impact driver at this point.

  • @tanorkewl8360
    @tanorkewl8360 4 місяці тому

    Just some advixe the music is killing me bro

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому

      I appreciate the feedback. Is it just this song or just music in videos in general?

    • @dgreer5537
      @dgreer5537 4 місяці тому

      It’s art. We’re here for the content

    • @georgedavall9449
      @georgedavall9449 4 місяці тому

      Wow, really? * plays a 🎻 for you tankora! 🙄 It will be alright, don't worry! 😆

  • @georgedavall9449
    @georgedavall9449 4 місяці тому

    A. W. E. S. O. M. E.

  • @matthewbishop9255
    @matthewbishop9255 4 місяці тому

    This just proves that using a drill is the far better option.

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      To each their own I guess! A drill would drive faster for sure and there are times I prefer a drill but there are certainly times where an impact driver is my preferred tool!

    • @gregorsamsa1364
      @gregorsamsa1364 4 місяці тому

      How are you defining "better" in this context?

  • @aussiehardwood6196
    @aussiehardwood6196 4 місяці тому

    So basically they all performed the same 🤔

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      Additional refinement on each generation is the main take away for me.

    • @aussiehardwood6196
      @aussiehardwood6196 4 місяці тому

      I'm in the market for a JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) 18v impact driver, my eyes are on the Makita DT173? But maybe these Hikoki's are worth a look too!

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  4 місяці тому +1

      I’ll have a video either this week or next comparing them and giving my thoughts on them.

  • @toyo4485
    @toyo4485 Місяць тому

    Hikoki is Hikoki.
    metabo hpt called in u.s. is really stupid!

    • @TinkerWithTools
      @TinkerWithTools  Місяць тому

      I don't know of anyone that would disagree with you.