I have a condition I refer to as Flex-envy. They make some incredible tools. The battery warranty is 3 times on the same battery, BTW. That said, I have 9 Metabo HPT cordless tools, and I'm thrilled with their performance. I think they're the best value of the major tool brands as far as price vs performance is concerned. We have a Metabo service center locally, so that's convenient. I met a man who took a drill there that was out of production, so rather than service they gave him a new one on the spot. I can't say that will always happen, but that was good to hear.
Good good. An advantage the Metabo has and higher voltage tools in general have is they run much cooler. I used to work residential electrical on a big crew and my gen 1 metabo hpt 36v drill never overheated, either on the tool or battery, running a 12" long 1 1/4" auger through wood with nails drilling 20+ holes before a pause. Everyone else ran Milwaukee m18 and constantly had to stop and swap batteries because of the overheat protection. interesting that you have chuck issues on the new one already, my gen 1 chuck wore out (they do wear out, on all brands) but it's pretty cheap and easy to replace them if you don't want to wait for service
Fair point. I suppose the same would be true with the Makita XGT as well. And yeah I have swapped chucks on another tool but if it’s in warranty I would rather not pay 80 for the replacement rohm chuck that is on there.
The MHPT's performance is very comparable to the Milwaukee! Good stuff. It absolutely drives me nuts that they refuse to sell some of these 36V tools as a bare tool. I remember being annoyed about it on the 3rd gen/Bolt impact.
The most anticipated video of yours well done :) Im slightly dissapointed in the metabo in this one, i guess it sacrifices some speed for more torque compared to the others here
I have indeed come across some hick ups with the new compact hammer drill from Metabo HPT where the chuck keeps disengaging the bit. They sent a replacement for me because they didn't have the proper staff members to fix it and they are behind on service. The whole process behind it was rather annoying. Now, I also own the big brother and I did come across an issue where the chuck felt like it wasn't locked in or biting onto the bit and then when I try to tighten the chuck it makes a grindy noise with the chuck simply slipping as I turn it. The way chuck fixes on itself is by drilling onto a material and then try to retighten the drill bit as necessary. I used this tool to drill onto stucco for the first time. I also realize that the whole time, I was not on hammer mode, but I was able to still easily drill through the wall.
I just hopped into the Metabo line with their 18ga brad nailer. Great gun absolutely love it! In my opinion Dewalt has the best variety of batteries to date. Multiple 18650, 21700 and 2 pouch cell batteries to choose from plus 60v Flex volt. There's no denying those Flex stacked batteries are very nice for sure.
I have heard good things about their second Gen brad nailer. The one thing that dewalt has that other brands haven't yet followed on is the $39 entry level 3ah to combat battery counterfeiters. I wish that would catch on with other companies too.
I thought I saw the flex drop a bit too. I see a Makita 40 volt blower on the bench, lol… I have some HPT tools, just not the drill or 1/4” driver, strangely enough. I have the Milwaukee fuel 4th gen set, and the first Makita 40 volt set for my cordless heavy movers. Good to see a current comparison.
@@TinkerWithTools I just thought that they might have put a better selector switch on the most powerful model. The 620 inch pound version had such a soft selector that I was worried about accidentally bumping it into the wrong position during normal use.
Put the fwd/rev selector to its neutral position and press the trigger 5 times. The auto stop light will flash if I remember correctly. Same thing to turn it back on.
I’ve been using the flex for all my recessed lighting jobs for a few years, but since the forge battery came out my gen 3 fuel has had no issues so I’ve been running that. It’s only 6in recessed in plaster/lath ceilings, so pretty abusive on these drills.
How would you guess the new Ridgid High Torque V2 (R861152B) with that 8 amp EXP battery would fare against these? Trying to decide - Ridgid R861152B or Metabo DV36DC. Already have 8 amp batteries on both platforms.
In prior testing that I have done the Ridgid tested just about even with the Milwaukee Gen 3 hammer drill. That is a small step behind the gen 4 so that would be the comparison I would give you. It would be about even with the Metabo HPT depending on the type of work. I think you would do fine choose either of those drills. I tend to like Metabo HPTs tools like the drill and impacts more than Ridgid but that simply comes down to personal preference.
The LSA is something I don’t personally have any experience in terms of getting something fixed but it is something that I would factor in if the other company had a terrible warranty. Metabo had a pretty good reputation with fixing tools but the battery replacement will be better with the LSA.
Actually there is 3 batteries types for metaboo not 2 , 2 are lithium and one is a hybrid 120volt plug in so it can run all day . Plus metabo is half the cost of Milwaukee
From what I've seen from others Flex is just sending out new tools for warranty claims which I like. I had a Milwaukee that took them 3 times to fix properly, which I get, it happens, but also I can't have a tool out for 2 months. Ended up having to buy a new one anyways. I just buy my Milwaukee on Amazon or eBay now, save the money. Unless it's a big dollar item like my ProPress I don't even bother with their warranty.
Interesting video again. Pretty disappointing on that Hikoki chuck though. A loose chuck is much worse than that 5% less power or speed in everyday use. I am a big Hikoki fan and have around 10 of their cordless tools (both 18 and 36V), but, considering the price of this new 36V drill and the chuck, the not so different performance than the previous model - I won't get one. For this price it must have been rock solid and with no issues.
Like he said it could be a lemon, they happen and it's why warranties exist. Flex batteries leak and I've seen gen4's have the handle snap in half under load.
The chuck has been disappointing, but I have the 18v model and other drills with the same chuck that have all performed perfectly fine. But the price (and not offering a bare tool option) is what would give me pause about upgrading. It's a nicer drill but the old 36v is still a nice drill as well.
@@TinkerWithTools I don't have the older 36V version, but the 18V one of their top-tier drill. They seem to be one and the same tool thought. I bought one initially for around £120 bare tool, but then, I bought another one when I saw them on a promotion for around £75- for my dad. And it is a lot of tool for that little money. And this new one at the moment is around £200 bare tool in the UK.
What dont like about the flex and milwaukee is how both of those drills just suffer with lower output batteries. The milwaukee with the 5.0 kit battery is worse than its ridgid counterpart despite the ridgid being detuned by 11% I dont have hard numbers on the flex, but ive only ever seen it tested with the pouch batteries and theres no way the turbo mode will hold up with an 18650 2p battery. Thats why I like the metabo hpt, their ratings are pretty consistent across all batteries. Makita is the only one of the big three with this level of consistency on battery platform. Just instead of doing multivolt, they did dual battery (which is clunkier but functionally identical) and when they made bigger batteries they made a new platform to guarantee that same level of "what you see is what you get" Personally i dont need a bigger/stronger drill, my ryobi hp does what i need. But thats once again another tool that without an hp 2p battery is a slug, and most of my new ryobi batteries as a result are hp in order to maintain true cross tool compatibility, as i do have a lot of ryobi. But all the hp is getting pricy to the point its better to step up to ridgid for the lsa or metabo hpt for at least the limited lifetime on tool body. (I do hope metabo hpts batteries last more than 2 years, that warranty is worse than ryobis)
Using the right battery for the job is certainly a good piece of advice but I think that most of these modern tools are still capable of quite a bit even on lesser batteries...but if you want to push them to the max or do a more demanding tasks, the right battery will make them shine.
@TinkerWithTools right battery for the right job is a valid point, but the amount of current flowing through these batteries and tools is crazy, were talking over a kW of power at 18v, and the forge can do over 2kW. The power output differences are getting absurd between batteries, and it's why I like metabo hpt's 36v line. You get what you get and that's it
@@TinkerWithTools Yes I’m telling you the truth and me after watching that show that is what made me decide to order a Kimo drill on amazon but now I regret it for 2 reasons and the 1st is Kimo doesn’t offer battery adapters for inverters or fans or lights any of those gadgets -- and 2nd reason is I have never seen the boys at This Old House ever use the Kimo brand tools after that show aired and now all I see is them using Dewalt brand tools -- so I guess This Old House misled the public 😡
Tinker With Tools ‘Tegrity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tinker calling it like he sees it! I’m a little disappointed with the performance of the Big Metabo HPT, but not surprised by the other two. NOT a fan of the FLUX (sic) and ya gotta hand it to Milwaukee getting that performance out of the lowest voltage battery system of the three! I’m hoping the RFC of the new Metabo works better than on the first Gen that I have, which is virtually non existent!? Handle looks to be really.nice. Yeah, handle on first gen is kinda an afterthought? Remember me Tinker? * clears throat * 🤔🙄😆😂👍💪🇺🇸
The RFC does work better but it takes a pretty forceful snap to get it to engage. Easy when you are just messing with it but it’s not overly sensitive by any means. Let’s the tool do work. And yes I’ll still plan on the video. I got you covered. Just have to find time.
Personally Milwaukee is not comfortable and flex grip is too slippery for me. All solid tools though, it just all comes down to preference and nit-picking
Thank you for regularly reviewing Metabo HPT. Very underrated tool brand!
It’s a great brand! Thanks for watching!
They are, and I hope they keep innovating!
@@georgedavall9449look into Hikoki, they have a ton of tools and use metabo hpt batteries
I have a condition I refer to as Flex-envy. They make some incredible tools. The battery warranty is 3 times on the same battery, BTW.
That said, I have 9 Metabo HPT cordless tools, and I'm thrilled with their performance. I think they're the best value of the major tool brands as far as price vs performance is concerned.
We have a Metabo service center locally, so that's convenient. I met a man who took a drill there that was out of production, so rather than service they gave him a new one on the spot. I can't say that will always happen, but that was good to hear.
Thanks for sharing that experience. It’s helpful to know how they handle stuff even if that’s not always the case.
Nothing shabby about big Green! 👍
they take care of their people
I had a set of 18v Hitachi power tools I bought in 2000. I used them for 24 years and they still work.
That’s a good bit of use out of those tools. Glad they have served you so well.
not like Milwaukee oweraited shit
Good good. An advantage the Metabo has and higher voltage tools in general have is they run much cooler. I used to work residential electrical on a big crew and my gen 1 metabo hpt 36v drill never overheated, either on the tool or battery, running a 12" long 1 1/4" auger through wood with nails drilling 20+ holes before a pause. Everyone else ran Milwaukee m18 and constantly had to stop and swap batteries because of the overheat protection. interesting that you have chuck issues on the new one already, my gen 1 chuck wore out (they do wear out, on all brands) but it's pretty cheap and easy to replace them if you don't want to wait for service
Fair point. I suppose the same would be true with the Makita XGT as well. And yeah I have swapped chucks on another tool but if it’s in warranty I would rather not pay 80 for the replacement rohm chuck that is on there.
Great comparison buddy. All 3 are powerful reliable options. I’d like to see some new battery tech in the HPT line. Long overdue
Hey man! How have you been? And yeah, i would love to see some improvements made there. Take care man!
The MHPT's performance is very comparable to the Milwaukee! Good stuff. It absolutely drives me nuts that they refuse to sell some of these 36V tools as a bare tool. I remember being annoyed about it on the 3rd gen/Bolt impact.
Totally agree! That’s the reason I ended up with a Hikoki 36v bolt.
Jim, quick question…. My DCK would not perform the other day under load. Does my DCK need a few warm up pulls to get maximum performance?
@@IMPACT-NATION sometimes when a DCK gets old, it just doesn't perform like it used to. Hard to keep up the performance 🤷♂️
You guys are funny! This was a good laugh.
The most anticipated video of yours well done :)
Im slightly dissapointed in the metabo in this one, i guess it sacrifices some speed for more torque compared to the others here
The lack of speed compared to the claim in speed 2 surprised me.
I have indeed come across some hick ups with the new compact hammer drill from Metabo HPT where the chuck keeps disengaging the bit. They sent a replacement for me because they didn't have the proper staff members to fix it and they are behind on service. The whole process behind it was rather annoying. Now, I also own the big brother and I did come across an issue where the chuck felt like it wasn't locked in or biting onto the bit and then when I try to tighten the chuck it makes a grindy noise with the chuck simply slipping as I turn it. The way chuck fixes on itself is by drilling onto a material and then try to retighten the drill bit as necessary. I used this tool to drill onto stucco for the first time. I also realize that the whole time, I was not on hammer mode, but I was able to still easily drill through the wall.
Interesting. I’ll be sure to report back what my experience is with this drill.
I just hopped into the Metabo line with their 18ga brad nailer. Great gun absolutely love it! In my opinion Dewalt has the best variety of batteries to date. Multiple 18650, 21700 and 2 pouch cell batteries to choose from plus 60v Flex volt. There's no denying those Flex stacked batteries are very nice for sure.
I have heard good things about their second Gen brad nailer. The one thing that dewalt has that other brands haven't yet followed on is the $39 entry level 3ah to combat battery counterfeiters. I wish that would catch on with other companies too.
Be careful about flex batteries there was a huge recall on the batteries , with them catching fire .
Always love watching your channel
Thanks! Glad you enjoy it!
Love hpt tools
They are great!
Yoooo thanks man. Love your channel
Hey glad you enjoyed it.
I thought I saw the flex drop a bit too.
I see a Makita 40 volt blower on the bench, lol…
I have some HPT tools, just not the drill or 1/4” driver, strangely enough. I have the Milwaukee fuel 4th gen set, and the first Makita 40 volt set for my cordless heavy movers.
Good to see a current comparison.
It was late so I definitely could’ve missed it. And yes the blower is awesome. I need to find time to do a review.
How is the f/r selector on the Metabo HPT?
Is it loose like some of their other drills?
Off the top of my head, it's not as loose as the mid tier drill, but it's by no means difficult to switch.
@@TinkerWithTools I just wanted to see if the stops are more positive than the 620 inch pound version.
That one has an insanely loose switch.
It's still on the lighter side. I would say to be safe that if you don't like the version you owned, you are not likely to like this one either.
@@TinkerWithTools I just thought that they might have put a better selector switch on the most powerful model.
The 620 inch pound version had such a soft selector that I was worried about accidentally bumping it into the wrong position during normal use.
Nice review! Thank you
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
Well done. Thank you.
Thanks!
how do you turn off the auto stop on the milwaukee
Put the fwd/rev selector to its neutral position and press the trigger 5 times. The auto stop light will flash if I remember correctly. Same thing to turn it back on.
@@TinkerWithTools it work thanks
I’ve been using the flex for all my recessed lighting jobs for a few years, but since the forge battery came out my gen 3 fuel has had no issues so I’ve been running that. It’s only 6in recessed in plaster/lath ceilings, so pretty abusive on these drills.
Nice. Glad it’s working out for you.
I have the Milwaukee and the metabo hpt. To me it feels like the hpt isn’t trying as hard when doing the same tasks.
They are pretty smooth tools. Not as fast and violent as the flex but still plenty powerful.
How would you guess the new Ridgid High Torque V2 (R861152B) with that 8 amp EXP battery would fare against these? Trying to decide - Ridgid R861152B or Metabo DV36DC. Already have 8 amp batteries on both platforms.
In prior testing that I have done the Ridgid tested just about even with the Milwaukee Gen 3 hammer drill. That is a small step behind the gen 4 so that would be the comparison I would give you. It would be about even with the Metabo HPT depending on the type of work. I think you would do fine choose either of those drills. I tend to like Metabo HPTs tools like the drill and impacts more than Ridgid but that simply comes down to personal preference.
How much do you value the lsa?
The LSA is something I don’t personally have any experience in terms of getting something fixed but it is something that I would factor in if the other company had a terrible warranty. Metabo had a pretty good reputation with fixing tools but the battery replacement will be better with the LSA.
Actually there is 3 batteries types for metaboo not 2 , 2 are lithium and one is a hybrid 120volt plug in so it can run all day . Plus metabo is half the cost of Milwaukee
I wouldn’t really classify the plug in adapter as a battery but you are correct that you have that option as a power source.
Metabo HPT/Hikoki are the best!!
From what I've seen from others Flex is just sending out new tools for warranty claims which I like. I had a Milwaukee that took them 3 times to fix properly, which I get, it happens, but also I can't have a tool out for 2 months. Ended up having to buy a new one anyways. I just buy my Milwaukee on Amazon or eBay now, save the money. Unless it's a big dollar item like my ProPress I don't even bother with their warranty.
Yeah, the lack of a service center with a quick turn time isn't ideal.
Interesting video again. Pretty disappointing on that Hikoki chuck though. A loose chuck is much worse than that 5% less power or speed in everyday use. I am a big Hikoki fan and have around 10 of their cordless tools (both 18 and 36V), but, considering the price of this new 36V drill and the chuck, the not so different performance than the previous model - I won't get one. For this price it must have been rock solid and with no issues.
Like he said it could be a lemon, they happen and it's why warranties exist. Flex batteries leak and I've seen gen4's have the handle snap in half under load.
The chuck has been disappointing, but I have the 18v model and other drills with the same chuck that have all performed perfectly fine. But the price (and not offering a bare tool option) is what would give me pause about upgrading. It's a nicer drill but the old 36v is still a nice drill as well.
@@TinkerWithTools I don't have the older 36V version, but the 18V one of their top-tier drill. They seem to be one and the same tool thought. I bought one initially for around £120 bare tool, but then, I bought another one when I saw them on a promotion for around £75- for my dad. And it is a lot of tool for that little money. And this new one at the moment is around £200 bare tool in the UK.
What dont like about the flex and milwaukee is how both of those drills just suffer with lower output batteries. The milwaukee with the 5.0 kit battery is worse than its ridgid counterpart despite the ridgid being detuned by 11%
I dont have hard numbers on the flex, but ive only ever seen it tested with the pouch batteries and theres no way the turbo mode will hold up with an 18650 2p battery.
Thats why I like the metabo hpt, their ratings are pretty consistent across all batteries.
Makita is the only one of the big three with this level of consistency on battery platform. Just instead of doing multivolt, they did dual battery (which is clunkier but functionally identical) and when they made bigger batteries they made a new platform to guarantee that same level of "what you see is what you get"
Personally i dont need a bigger/stronger drill, my ryobi hp does what i need. But thats once again another tool that without an hp 2p battery is a slug, and most of my new ryobi batteries as a result are hp in order to maintain true cross tool compatibility, as i do have a lot of ryobi. But all the hp is getting pricy to the point its better to step up to ridgid for the lsa or metabo hpt for at least the limited lifetime on tool body. (I do hope metabo hpts batteries last more than 2 years, that warranty is worse than ryobis)
Using the right battery for the job is certainly a good piece of advice but I think that most of these modern tools are still capable of quite a bit even on lesser batteries...but if you want to push them to the max or do a more demanding tasks, the right battery will make them shine.
@TinkerWithTools right battery for the right job is a valid point, but the amount of current flowing through these batteries and tools is crazy, were talking over a kW of power at 18v, and the forge can do over 2kW. The power output differences are getting absurd between batteries, and it's why I like metabo hpt's 36v line. You get what you get and that's it
Hikoki charging 8ah in 50minutes fully ,plius can charge phone because of usb connection,i got 15 hikoki tools top qality
That Metabo drill sure looks alike my Kimo drill --- I wonder if it’s the same company ????????
They are different companies. Metabo HPT is a Japanese company but they do look somewhat similar.
@@TinkerWithTools Ok because the Kimo drill was featured on This Old House tv show a few years ago
I’ll have to check it out.
@@TinkerWithTools Yes I’m telling you the truth and me after watching that show that is what made me decide to order a Kimo drill on amazon but now I regret it for 2 reasons and the 1st is Kimo doesn’t offer battery adapters for inverters or fans or lights any of those gadgets -- and 2nd reason is I have never seen the boys at This Old House ever use the Kimo brand tools after that show aired and now all I see is them using Dewalt brand tools -- so I guess This Old House misled the public 😡
@@telepolo A lot of ‘things’ aint what they used to be, ya know?
Great to see underrated Metabo HPT. But no Makita XGT? 😢
I didn’t have time to test more that the three drills for the video. There will be other future comparisons.
Makita doesn't compare with these 3 drills in performance from tests I've seen. The ergonomics of them is very nice though
Tinker With Tools ‘Tegrity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tinker calling it like he sees it! I’m a little disappointed with the performance of the Big Metabo HPT, but not surprised by the other two. NOT a fan of the FLUX (sic) and ya gotta hand it to Milwaukee getting that performance out of the lowest voltage battery system of the three! I’m hoping the RFC of the new Metabo works better than on the first Gen that I have, which is virtually non existent!? Handle looks to be really.nice. Yeah, handle on first gen is kinda an afterthought?
Remember me Tinker? * clears throat * 🤔🙄😆😂👍💪🇺🇸
The RFC does work better but it takes a pretty forceful snap to get it to engage. Easy when you are just messing with it but it’s not overly sensitive by any means. Let’s the tool do work. And yes I’ll still plan on the video. I got you covered. Just have to find time.
@@TinkerWithTools Doncha despise ‘pushy’ Subscribers? 😂 I know You're busy, and I always appreciate your content! 👍🤝
Nah, you are good. Life has just been crazy busy at the day job and with family stuff lately.
Personally Milwaukee is not comfortable and flex grip is too slippery for me. All solid tools though, it just all comes down to preference and nit-picking
I can understand that but like you said, at that level it's mostly personal preference.