Should Dan Colman Fold POCKET ACES In This $828,000 Pot?!
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- Опубліковано 3 кві 2018
- In this blast from the past, 2016 Doug Polk reviews this incredibly sick hand from the Super High Roller Cash Game on PokerCentral. One Drop winner Dan Colman faces off against Scott Seiver. Colman has pocket aces, but as the pot bloats to nearly one million dollars, he finds himself pondering a fold. What would you do in this spot?
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Doug what about floats in position? Should we ever be accounting for potential floats in villains range in position looking to steal on future streets?
Does that dynamic support a case of calling a higher percentage of the time than folding. Villian is repping sets or ak. Sets are very unlikely to flop percentage wise, and Coleman blocks AA. Doesn't this lean more towards bluffs?
I agree flatting preflop is better to prevent AA from being face up, but given the way played dont you think this should always be a face palm call or else you're exploitable. Even though we block the flush draws. Thoughts?
Hey doug quick question as i am just a recreational player,but have you heard of a poker site confiscating players money after they try to withdraw the funds because they where won from freerolls?
legend has it doug polk will comeback to the crypto world
Doug if you want to improve your poker come to our home game tournament. You will get stacked with 2 hours. We been playing same tourny every thursday for 18 years. If a pro game to our game they would realize how shitty pros really are. You would be a feeder fish to us. no pro would stand a chance we are just to good. Pros actually suck at poker that is why they never win the WSOP main event.
Doug Polk be shilling A5s as a potential bluff every chance he gets
Because it is good hand to 3bet bluff
if i 3 bet that hand at my local casino, they will simply jam into me
@@rockwithyou2006 then 3 bet 9s plus and call the jam you will be profitable long term lol, silly fish
@@battlingphoenix3847 lol kid. You won’t last an hour in the place I play. Your bankroll won’t support it.
@@rockwithyou2006 you’re the one who is crying that his 3 bets are exploited. This isn’t about me fish fish
I've never spent 26 full minutes trying not to look at a bright red tank top covering a marshmallow
Gotta mention that 4bettings 9s works at a pro level, but surely not at microstakes online. People just ain't 3betting light enough at an amateur level.
The main factor in this scenario isn't so much the stakes or playing ability of the people involved, it's how deep the stacks are, when you are only 100 BB deep 4-betting with 9's isn't really a great play as you are likely pot committing yourself on the flop, not a great spot to be in with just a pair of 9's.
When you are this deep however you have more options. You can raise with the 9's and still be in a position where you can see a flop with the right implied odds to hit your set and giving yourself an easy fold if your opponent 5 bets, so the 4-bet is not a good play if your only 100BB deep but when your about 500BB deeps then it's a good move.
even if ess is about 100bb, it can be meaningful to sometimes 4bet bluff w/ 8's, 9's, etc.
KK AA 4-betting as a bluff with 88, 99 is probably about the worse move you could make with 100bb. You shouldn't be bluffing with hands that have showdown value, 88 or 99 into a bluff and reopening up the betting gives your opponent the opportunity to jam on you. Now you've lost all showdown value and all draw potential.
It would be okay to 4-bet jam if you were in a tournament with only 40-50 bb but doing it for 100 bb you are only ever getting action from premium hands or rebluffed by hands that you are beating.
Have you thought about going back in time and telling your ancestors to change their last name to Poker?
Dick Chappy that's a good idea but how about naming the show "polker hands"
that's pretty good...
lol
@@rockybullshite927 Its good, but I'm not sure if it's pretty good...
U mean poke her
Colman said on Joey's podcast that this was a "once in a lifetime spot" given the money at stake, that Seiver was winning a lot in the game and unquestionably deviated from an optimal strategy so that he would never bluff there. That's the fundamental difference of approach compared to Doug, who doesn't want to make assumptions about how his opponent plays.
Colman should have went all in pre flop.
Michael Trumph no he shouldn’t because when you get AA in a cash game you want to exploit them, there’s no flush or straight on the board he only can have trips because he wouldn’t call like 20 grand pre-flop with K9, so he played really well, he just got bad luck
Oh that makes sence he doesn't need to balance his range because the chance of this happening is so small
thanks vanessa.
just another weeb haha jeez I knew somebody would leave a comment like this hahaha
thought that i remember that picture, like you even more now code
Lol....u r a Jedi.
The Code Provider nice comment coward
hahaha this comment cracked me up good :D :D :D
Have you considered rehanding these polkers to naming videos?
I had a stroke reading this. Well done.
Dave Soerense
I absolutely loved your analysis on this hand. In fact, I love your channel and listening to you go through all the scenarios. You are brilliant. I have much to learn from you.
lol at scott trying his hardest to give all fake live tells. I actually think Dan is a pretty deep thinker and may have picked up on this as a reverse tell.
yeah lol, the reason I even noticed it is cause ive done the same shit before and probably looked just as stupid too LOL
Good players don't waste their time on live tells
epicpurevids Dan is a GTO online player, his thinking probably very similar to Dougs on river. He pukes into shirt before even looking at Scott
Lol that is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Live tells are a huge part of poker bud.
His acting is terrible lol
Looking forward to you getting home and pumping out more content
Hey Doug. I've read Super Systems 1 and 2 and Daniel's Power Holdem. But are there any strategy books you can recommend that are relevant to the current meta of the game? Mainly tournament holdem?
Great explanation Doug. You really force me to approach the game differently than I’m used to.
Yes back with poker hands. Keep it up really enjoy this.
Love the throwback to the "that said" era ;)
Awesome video, Doug. Just reinforced my thought process on this and taught me a few things too. You da best.
Does anyone know if Doug’s review for the Dwan/Greenstein hand he alluded to at the end is still available? I can’t find it.
Doug. We NEED more strategy videos like this. WERE HUNGRY!
Wow, I agreed with everything Doug said this episode. I must be dreaming.
I don't know man, but to me it sounds like he could have saved 250k chips by just folding his AA preflop.
stfu
wetard.
False. 5 bet jam all in pre. And show your cards. He’ll fold and you scoop the pot.
Thank you Doug! What should we do in this situation on the river if the stakes are deaper and Scott is pushing pot or even over the pot? And what should we do if the size of betting on the river is just 1/4 or 1/6 of the pot?
lovin the old hair and the stylish tanktop, its a true dougy
Always tough folding AA, but you have to do it, still looking for the Oliver Hudson and Sam Farha WSOP hand
Hey Doug what video games if any do you play? Like PS4 or what?
You Made some really good points regarding 5 bet situation preflop,think i am going to change up my strategy a little bit ON such situations...
WOW ... your graphics back then were awesome.. PoKeR HaNds :D
The most skill to me came when Seiver didn’t smile when Colman tried to guess what he had!
Seiver was sucking a lot of wind tho lol.
That Seiver's breathing gave me Anxiety ! 😂😂😂
Why was the Tom Dwan bluff with QT vs Barry Greenstein removed?
Gold from Doug. Absolute gold.
It's understandable that this episode was lost. Too bad you found it.
I look back on these videos fondly, good times; [insert joke about polker and poker sounding similar here]
polker and poker sound similar
I never thot of that before
Harbz?? More like: shards. as in. SHARDED my pants. Beeeeetch
Thanks Doug nice vid keep em rolln !
where can we watch that episode? i never seen it
If he doesn’t get stacks when he flops a set then he has to fold to the 5 bet pre or else it’s -ev. Well played postflop although I agree with your logic about pre. Never played this deep so never thought about it.
Doug you are truely one of my favorite poker players. I know that you don’t like tournaments much but I would love for you to stream some as I found ur tournaments streams the most enjoyable to watch. It’s like watching shroud play counter strike or ninja play fortnite, the best of the best. Keep up the great work peace
bazaam!
don't care about fashion,however,Seiver looks fabulous in pig pink...it suits him
Hey dough i always been interested by poker a few months ago i walked into a casino and was wining alot with out completely knowing what i was doing for the first few weeks ( ppl would even call me donky) but then i started to study poker and now i can't seem to win anymore i fold when they bluff call when they have it. What might be the issue
Seiver has such a massive tell here.
He's breathing like he just sprinted a mile while he's deciding to make his all-in bet.
He's trying to represent a bluff.
Then it's a reverse tell and an easy fold for Coleman.
Hey Doug - I know you're taking a break from Poker at the mo but it would be really interesting to see you do a review of the recent 'Garret Aldenstein' bluff hands on Live at the Bike.
They're very big decisions, (joe Ingram has done a podcast on them), but I can't help feeling that they may have both been wrong. How many times is his Set of tens not good? Even against a 2x pot bet?
Hope you're well and ty for all your content.
BEst
What about min-raise 5-bet when super deep-stacked like this? It lets you grow the pot a little bit when you have a premium hand, but it allows you to work in weaker holdings into your range.
Much love Doug... watch you everyday!!!
Doug is the best poker player as of right now. To bad your courses are so expensive I would take them all.
Great free content plus entertainment, thank you Doug 😺
I guess my confusion comes in that most hands are mucked and I don't really know what my opponent's tendency is. How do you deal with that in live games?
when crypto tanks, the poker videos return
Yeah, what's wrong with that?
Makes perfect sense
All the crypto boys are laughing now. I'm crying btw
Doug rocking the bib, looks good man! ;)
I mean, your poker theories are top notch, but my question is, how do you avoid the bad beat? Specifically, how do you 5 bet AA, get a call, and get away after the flop or turn when your opponent just barrels every street?
When you are 300+ bbs deep KK becomes a set mining hand
@Piotr Dembowy Obviously it doesn't 🤦♂️
Great video. Thanks Doug!
Link to Doug's analysis of the Dwan v Greenstein hand mentioned at the end of the vid?
@Piotr Dembowy same with your response.
@@dippy9119 poor excuse, Little Peter..
Your proudness blinds you!
@Piotr Dembowy ..
He didn't get your message!
Why would it make sense to call with the ace of clubs. I don't get it. can someone please explain? Sorry I'm a poker newbie.
Doug...At about 24:30 you mentioned the ace of clubs with aces and encouraged calling? Did I hear this right? Could you please tell me why the ace of clubs is pertinent?
Clubs are the only suit that wasn't on the flop. Coleman wants his oppenent to have the ace of diamonds or hearts in his hand because that would have given him a back-door nut flush draw on the flop. The fact that Coleman has two red aces means that some of the bluffs that Siever could have are eliminated and makes the likelihood of him actually having a good hand go up.
Awesome video as always!
long but worth it! tight analysis
i like all the what if situations and possibilities, but i yet to see a hand this big when some1 is soo good and willing to risk soo much to play against turned over AA as if they really had a set. ive never seen it in cg because i think it doesnt really happen except very very rarely
Speaking of Robl, are you willing to analyze quad 9s vs quad Qs Robl vs Lewis?
Thumbs up. This is a really good youtube video!
Oh and that glass, stop tapping it!
15 minutes discussing pre flop ranges is too long. I can't take looking at your hairdo for that amount of time.
Joe Lazar Disagree 100% To me, that is exactly why DP is THE best poker hand analyst I've ever seen. He illuminates pro-level thinking and combines it with odds and probability. Kudos. I will concede the hairdo is a bit distracting 😂
Speed up the vid to 2.0
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@@joseywales583
The hairdo is actually strategically very important. If you're going to discuss pre-flop ranges for 15 minutes, that can be quite dry, so it's worth mixing in a funny hairdo - although maybe not every video, best range-merge your funny do's with your normal cuts.
Vanessa’s right about the spot. She always had great video content! Keep it up Vanessa
8:50 Did Doug just suggest that folding KK Preflop would be a good decision playing this deep ? I did not expect him to say that. This basically means you could easily shove preflop against doug this deep knowing he would only call you off with aces.
No, he said you don't have to stack off 100% of the time when you're playing that deep. He never said to fold it.
either flat pot control or all in preflop. that's how u avoid cracking AA
I think AK is a better call on the river than AA, and that was why Coleman folded. Though I think suit blockers are relevant here as well. FWIW, I think Scott plays AA this way preflop nearly every time, and that Coleman plays KK, and AK as a mixed freq preflop.
You are right of course on the river AK would be a better call ( but I probably would call in that kind of spot more than enough to loose a lot of money , guess that is why I"m broke ) It is just hard to fold AA no matter how good you get -specially in the river ( where you have already bet a lot of money)
hey firefight what is ur iq level?
ak is an instant fold aa here he should call considering their playing for luck and its obv his best range was k9 cc
Doug,
Are you planning on accepting an invite to the SHRB? Watched the draw hoping to hear Negreanu and Hellmuth talk you up. Hope you get the invite.
You really have improved Doug.
Hey Doug I just bought your post flop game plan from your site.I think that revolutionized my game. Thanks a million
sneaky advertisement Mr Doug?
I missed the good old days when Doug played high stakes/tourneys on twitch what happened? Seems like all the big poker streamers left at the same time Jcarver, Elky, Jamie, etc.
Bring back Polker Hands Doug. Give the people what they need
Great video! I’m so torn on whether or not I like Colman’s 5bet Pre flop now. I think I still lean a bit toward the 5bet tho. I get what you’re saying about how it makes his hand transparent, but id also say the transparency of his hand saved him quite a bit of money in this spot. He knows that seiver knows he has aces, and I doubt seiver thinks he’s getting Colman to fold aces very often on such a dry board. I think seiver almost always has value in this spot given how it was played up until the river, and it’s clear Colman knows this when he puts him on kings. Plus, you’re always going to have the best hand Pre flop, so getting more money in while you’re ahead isn’t bad, and although folding out seiver’s weaker hands Pre flop might lose a bit of value on later streets, it also prevents them from getting there a lot of the time (except this time I guess). Sure, Colman is going to be fairly unbalanced, but I’m not entirely convinced that makes this exact spot less profitable. I’d love your input on this! Great videos man, keep em coming!
Doug I heard about Bitcoin. If you need to borrow money we can talk about staking you. Let me know. Thanks bud.
Even if he put all of his money into bitcoin, it would have been way before the current price, ergo he is still way in the green, at this moment.
Hodl the shorts
I know when he bought some at 10 k , and most he probably bought at the price that they are now so I don't know, but he is OK I think, Just has some millions less than a couple of month's ago (a lot of millions less) .
Plus he is smart and probably has money saved somewhere other than in crypto so he will be alright even if cryptocurency goes to 0 right now or at least that is what he would have done if he is as smart as I think.
HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHA
@@edide1627 back to 10k
Great video. Always tough to fold bullets. I do agree his bet at the flop was the most important bet. Now you that you're done with vacation and banged out a poker video, see you at crypto, yes?
Nice hand, liked the analysis. I disagree that Scott cannot have Aces in this spot, because he can easily call a 5bet in position this deep with all of his range.
What do you do if you have the A of clubs and the A of hearts??
doug polks hair is like a rock formation from game of thrones
Dan having AA and blocking the nut fd on the turn is pretty significant and should lead him to an easy fold otr. You can even argue that removing half the Ax combos should probably lead Dan to fold ott
Guys my english is not very good. Flush draw means a project to make a flush?
Yes
Will you mention the giveaway ?
Doug, you didn't take into account the fact that Seiver used his magical powers and 'knew' the 9 was coming.
nice hand, nice comment. really like this analysis.
Even with 99 that turn check call is pretty scary. :)
With so much analysis speed up vid to 2x and polk looks so funny
Glad you posted this one. This was really interesting analysis. Thank you.
If you say there is no solution to having to choose between folding and calling with AA in this spot then what's the point of mixing in A5, KQ etc? I know our opponents will have slightly more difficulty pinning our range, but if you admit it's only about calling vs folding in this spot then I don't see the point of mixing in other hands to our 5-betting range.
Doug, your audio mix on this one is off. Can barely hear you but AJ Benza is coming in loud and clear.
I was just watching this original video today
16:52Siever heavy breathing I see his shirt moving.😯😎😁🏁
I'm just surprised to see Scott seiver with a button-down collared shirt on qq
You spelled "Polker" wrong on that nicely lettered sign.
Seiver goes into super heavy breathing mode after he hit his set
It really comes down to Colman knowing that Scott is only putting him on AA, KK, or AK. So it's hard to believe he would pick this spot to bluff
NO LINK FOR DWAN'S Q 10?
I’ve started to pause these videos everytime Doug is about to talk so I can try to argue for my «would be play» before Doug just melts my world.
(Btw these insanely deep stack ranges are so cool!)
CheapSofa imagine 5 bet folding in a 1-2 game lol
True but the shortest stack in this hand is the equivalent of buying in for 1.5K in the 1-2 game. Ranges should become just as polarized if not more polarized assuming 3 bet ranges are tighter. Poker is always relevant to blinds not X money.
I actually was in a somewhat similar spot a couple of weeks ago in a 1/3 game. I was in EP with KK in a multiway pot against a massive 5-bet All in from UTG. I nearly foldet KK the first time ever pre. But because UTG was carzy and did some stupid plays before I called and won a massive pot :D
Troll Em' All What did the maniac show?
CheapSofa he didn't show. After I called I asked him if he had Aces. He said no. I showed my Kings. There was a Queen on the flop which I obviously hated after a guy shoved about 250 BB multiway UTG vs a UTG+2 3-bet and a cold call of the 3-bet by a tight player with a big stack but after the river he just mucked and I didn't wannt to ask after winning the second large pot from him that night. The BB who 4-bet shoved about 100$ also mucked.
Yeah I miss the days of 26 minute poker hands videos
Big mistake preflop, totally agree with your assessment. Better flat and reduce losses. If you replay the hand with Coleman calling each bet he could have had a reasonable showdown rather than folding. How many times can you fold aces on a rainbow board. ?
i love it when someone you forgot you subbed to finally posts a new video after a long long absence
It’s a funny spot when you have to protect your strong range ... with less strong hands haha ^^ I know we do this with board coverage hands anyway... it’s just funny lol
how is shoving with AQ suited a tough decision?
Weird. Feels like deja vu.
17:40 Can someone explain why checking "blocks AK severely"?
He's just saying he blocks AK severely because he has 2 aces
The shirt and the hair bro...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂