Obi-Wan Kenobi Pitch Meeting
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2022
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Hello there. As they expand their library of streaming content, Disney has been absolutely churning out streaming shows tied to some of those most popular characters and franchises. After series like The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett, the House of Mouse has now released a show about who is arguably one of the most well-known Star Wars characters- Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Obi-Wan Kenobi raises a lot of questions though. Like how did Obi-Wan intend to protect Luke without keeping up his training in any way? How did Reva know that the powerful Bail Organa would reach out to Obi-Wan instead of his network of people? How is killing a bunch of Jedi a good way to get revenge on the guy who killed a bunch of Jedi? What was up with that weird laser fence scene? How did making a fire help Obi-Wan escape from Vader, who had just started a fire of his own? Why would Obi-Wan leave Darth Vader alive?
To answer all these questions and more, step inside the Pitch Meeting that led to Obi-Wan Kenobi! It’ll be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
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“Ok does nobody take a second to verify that the person they’ve tried to kill is actually dead? Not in this particular show no”
He’s got a point there
Yeah that's kinda how Star Wars works. If someone falls down a pit, no matter how injured they were, they don't die.
Not in this entire franchise for that matter
Especially when they fall into pits
That’s basically every show though
@Siberian I get it because Darth Maul was cut in half
Ryan's impression of an out-of-touch Disney executive who thinks important main characters originate from Disney+ products is hilarious and probably very accurate, sadly.
It sounds like Disney is slowly planning to reboot the whole series so that their creations better fit the original stuff
Thats what the kids know
@@johnshea7871 lol I'll believe it when I see it
@@johnshea7871 They'll make an episode 4-6 Remaster like Lucas did. But this time Han will shoot first to appease fans. But other that there'll be some minor tweaks that remove any sense of continuity of storytelling and just be lots of unconnected action scenes where long dead actors disturbingly rigid CGI faces turn up, say "Hi, I'm and " before disappearing and having absolutely nothing else to do with the rest of the 'story', sorry, bad habit... 'unconnected action scenes'.
It'll finish with the remodelled death star that now for some reason has 2 additional slightly smaller spheres evenly spaced on top. The rebels will fail to destroy it and realise that actually life is great under their oppressive overlords and they should just learn to live with it and appreciate the friends they made a long the way.
What the fuck are you saying
"Wait is this a cartoon?"
"Occationally it is sir, ya."
So PAINFULLY accurate.
Cartoons are good self aware most times tbh
The scene with Leia under Obi-wan's robe.
Biggest facepalm of my life.
Exactly what I was gonna say. This show could have been so so so much better. But the woke leftist cannot have that and made Kenobi an idiot, Leah mature which made her more of an idiot and the inquisitors did not add anything, no arch, not anything good whatever. Lame
"And uh, I'm going to put my thumb down now.
@@richardthenryvideos "THE WOKE LEFTISTS ARE RUINING EVERYTHING"
Alright bud go take your pills now you schizophrenic dipshit.
The writers could have at least _tried_ to make up a reason why Obi Wan would walk away the _second_ time after not finishing off Anakin. He gets the premonition that Luke is in danger and has to run, the Emperor shows up to save Vader, he remembers he left the oven on... literally ANYTHING other than, "Welp, I guess I learned nothing from what happened last time. Have fun surviving and continuing your reign of sith terror, Darth."
Why would they do that when they did not really put any effort into making any other part of the story make sense.
That's what irks me about this show. Everything else was contrived just to get them to have a rematch. And the fight itself was very good. But there is literally no reason that Obi Wan should spare Vader at the end. As good as that fight was, the existence of this show really doesn't make sense.
But Luke wasn't in danger.
@@burpbot7555 Your mom wasn't in danger.
@@burpbot7555No, that's the problem.
The little detail of the producers getting characters wrong or only recognizing them from Disney related content is amazingly realistic
The Holiday Special though
@Rushy I think the take there is that everyone hates it so Disney loves it
If Disney loved it it’d probably be on Disney+ lol, I’m sure lots of people would be happy to watch it ironically
I think what you want to say is that it is TIGHT!
Don't forget that Disney also did a holiday special themselves. It's on Disney+ right now
I love how Darth Vader needing to survive is summed up by Producer Guy as a "contract issue", reinforcing the idea that he has no idea who Darth Vader is.
Sounds like a Disney producer all right
How he could have just sliced his head off he was sitting right there
"He was too angry to die." Funny enough in Star Wars lore about Sith, that's a pretty accurate description.
True be he wasn’t a true Sith Lord…😂
Darth Sion would've wiped the floor with these guys lol
To some degree but not for the widespread dark side wielders. Disney is just taking rare powers and just mainstreaming the heck out of it.
He generously ignored the way Darth Vader's underwater base has glass that shatters easily under blaster fire. In a base full of stormtroopers.
Structurally flawed underwater fortresses are TIGHT
"Is this a cartoon?"
"It is from time to time."
Suddenly, EVERYTHING makes sense.
the ironic part is... the 'cartoon' animated star wars series are actually far better written.
Star Wars always was partially cartoon. IDK why people think it wasn't. There always were cartoonish scenes, especially in the prequels with the non stop CGI sight gags and literaly cartoon characters like that Diner and Jar Jar Binks and things like that.
It certainly was frustrating to see the show get so cartoony at points. The way Ryan pointed it out was tight!
i have not seen the show, but the clip of 10 year old Leia "escaping" her kidnappers by running like a a toddler is just hilarious
the kidnappers even chase her as if they're an uncle playing with their 2 year old niece, ""running" as slow as possible to avoid actually catching the kid
They did it on purpose.
The chase in the woods looked like it could have been a Cartoon Network live action show from the 2000s
@@Jay-zx5hx who did what?
@@mattc9598 That scene was soooo hilariously bad
0:33 "He's from the Star Wars Holiday Special" is such a good line
Everyone laughs a lot but these two guys are responsible for a lot of the biggest titles in entertainment today
Um... You mean the Pitch Meeting's writer and producer?..
Or.. you mean Obi-Wan and Darth Vader/Anakin?...
OH.. You mean Filoni and Favreau, right?....
....Nah, you mean Pitch Meeting's writer and producer, of course... ;-)
"Is this a cartoon again?!" perfectly describes the many ridiculous moments in this show.
There is more then a little Irony in there somewhere, Given how serious the Actual Starwars Cartoons have taken telling Compelling stories.
They really do like taking the biscuit and rubbing it our face how they can do anything and still make billions with this franchise. Braindead, blind fans on the internet will try and justify everything as well as refuse to see it for how stupid it is.
Less of a 'cartoon' and more of an unintentional parody. They made a Star Wars parody but were too incompetent to realize it.
@@Chrisrd75 even the goofy filler episodes of clone wars seem more compelling than this.
@@plasmaoctopus1728 absolutely, you can tell who had the goal of telling quility stories, and who had a dozen other agendas, none of which had anything to do with quility what so ever.
Personally I truly believe several of the best story telling moments in starwsrs are in the cartoons. Obi-wan vs maul being at the very top...
"And why was young Luke unconscious? So he could not see a lightsaber and break canon". Brilliant.
@Dont Check My About Page Link Ok.
So much Canon was already broken by that point though. I hate what Star Wars has become.
@@smartin23964 explain?
As dumb as it is I like they they at least try to not break canon
@@smartin23964 "What it's become" ?? There were 2 good movies, one good toy commercial... and then shit. People like to forget that lucas killed the franchise decades ago.
What's fascinating to me is that, I felt pretty certain that a show focusing on Obi-Wan would be a huge success, critically and financially; turns out to be the weaker of the Star Wars series on Disney Plus.
A show focusing on Obi-Wan would have been a huge success… if it weren't just half-way decent and not complete and utter garbage.
@ I think, during the time it was first announced, a ton of people were talking about this online and getting really amped about it -and understandably so! You would think a story focusing on Obi-Wan Kenobi would be exciting and edgy! Ended up awkward and nonsensical at times!
The Book Of Boba Fett was way worse IMO, atleast this one had some cool moments, but yeah it was very mediocer overall
Should've just done a side story about Obi-Wan in some adventure on Tatooine. For God's sake, don't try to involve Darth Vader and Leia. That's just asking for continuity errors!
Because this show focused instead on Reva and little Leia.
One thing that i really love in these pitch meetings is that you actually don’t know who’s the sane person and who’s insane. Sometimes the producer sounds like he’s the voice of reason and sometimes it’s the writer and madness applies on both!
Because - money
It took 2.5 seasons to redeem Prince Zuko for the reign of terror he set in throughout the world while searching for the Avatar. It took 1 scene of Reva not stabbing a child after years of betraying and murdering her fellow Jedi. Clearly, this is the superior method to save time (at the expense of any potential entertainment value or emotional investment)
10 points to the light side for a great cultural reference, Avatar character arcs were well done..
To be fair, we don't know what the writers were thinking or if Reva is intended to return. Her sparing Luke could be a lazy attempt at a redemption "arc", but it could also be just the first step on her road to redemption.
@@jacobd1984 It's less a redemption arc and more her realizing what she's doing is stupid and Obi-Wan telling her to fuck off. Which I'd rather have for a character like her, she's written as an idiot and leaves the show like an idiot too.
What's emotional investment?? Can we eat it? Or can we bribe it?
@@jacobd1984 reva should have been killed off in the first episode for disobeying the grand inquisitors orders to chill the fuck out. The other idea is that obi wan should have killed her at the very end for knowing way too much information
“I don’t want people to get Star Wars fatigue.” Producer guy almost had me there for a second.
It was super easy, barely an inconivience....
"Star Wars fatigue" isn't a real thing. If these movies and shows were actually good and not just platforms to push a feminist agenda, then every movie and show would be a massive hit. I haven't watched any Star Wars since The Last Jedi, but it has nothing to do with there being too much Star Wars. I can't go back to that world after they shat all over Luke Skywalker. No matter what they try to do to salvage his character in The Mandalorian or whatever, I cannot forget how he will end. I just can't go back to that world, even the original trilogy. And this sucks because before that abortion of a movie, I was going opening weekend to every Star Wars release since the Special Editions.
Making good stories with good characters and you will be successful every time. Make shit stories with characters being overpowered if they're women and abject failures (or comically evil) if they're men and people will walk away.
Star Wars fatigue surfaced back around when the third new movie was released and that bombed at the box offices. Solo, was it? Rogue One was the only one that had some originality and wasn’t just pushing for money,..
@@tomatodamashi 🤡 its a shit franchise that shouldve ended with the movies. but ol 4 chins dragged the corpse around for a while and handed it to disney. lmao. but hey, by all means base your personality on a dated trash franchise and cry about why women wont have sex with you.
So they give us a Marvel fatigue instead
I like they pointed out how ridiculous it was for Reva to have all the stormtroopers shoot at the door only to later cut it open with a lightsaber.
The plot for Kenobi sounded like one script writer- with no idea what happens in the original trilogy- handed in their homework for the afternoon, and after really sucking up to the top execs, they were given the go-ahead, and six other people with less authority spent the entire time subtly trying to fix parts that would mess with the original canon without messing with the original favored script writer's work too closely.
Why, why do they insist on attempting these kinds of prequels where the opportunities to mess up are just endless. At least Rogue 1 only had a loose connection, in this one every single line has the potential to ruin the original trilogy. Does the interaction between DW and obi wan in episode 4 lose its gravity? How about Leia sending a message to obi wan after they have obviously spent a bunch of time together at this age? It just never ends well.
I love how producer guy's lines consistently show that he has never seen the original or prequel trilogies! Like even when writer guy says that Vader needs to be alive because he's gotta be in the other movies producer guy assumes it's a contract thing rather than the fact that he's LITERALLY ALREADY in the other movies. It's the lines like that that make these pitch meetings so dang good!
I did not catch that joke entirely. Thank you.
Yeah, I noticed this as well. Bit of a jab at guys like the showrunner for Obi-Wan who had asked Pablo Hidalgo lore questions that were clearly answered in the prequel movies. Like maybe give those a rewatch before you start writing this show. It is like they write them not knowing the other movies happened sometimes.
Pretty much reflects the Lucasfilm writers.
Comically missing the point is tight!
Like how he had to go watch a bunch of Spider-man movies because he had no idea who Andrew Garfield or Tobey Maguire were? 🤣
The “if Obi-Wan is not training and has no Force powers how does he protect Luke” hit me hard. I didn’t think about that. I thought about a lot of other flaws in the shows tho.
Obi-Wan should have been training pretty hard, like Uncle Iroh in the prison.
Obi-Wan isn't exactly in a mentally healthy spot at that time, so his lack of logic makes a lot of sense.
Tala had no force powers and she did a great job at protecting people...until she deployed the thermal detonator. I wonder if that's where Leia gets the idea from in Return of the Jedi?
@@ecobasetech4558 That protection would have totally failed if Reva hadn't decided to just randomly not kill them. In fact it failed regardless. My point is they definitely should have died. But can't have that. Contract issues.
@@dolphinsniper I understand being in a hard place and not always making the best decisions but there's a fine line between that and being an idiot. Kenobi in this show, is an idiot.
Nicely done! Cramming so many plot holes into 7 minutes is a feat to behold.
The biggest one for me is the fact that according to this Vader now know he can get to Obi-wan at any point through Bail and Leia.. which is kind of a big deal.
… which is why they included the scene at the end of the Emperor telling him to end his obsession with Kenobi. He couldn’t do anything more.
exactly - why would the emperor want to track down one of the last two surviving masters of the Jedi Council? Clearly it's better we just forget about it, since overlooking the exisitance of two hidden members of the opposing force tradition worked out so well for the Jedi.
The fact that they needed to shoehorn in a scene at the end with the Emperor telling Vader to just drop the matter was absolutely insane. He doesn't want Vader filled with anger and rage, like an actual Sith? He doesn't want to pursue and kill the one person who could pose a threat? If a writer has to do dumb stuff like that just so it will tie in to the pre-existing movies, then that writer has no talent whatsoever.
@@garym6315 he wants Vaders head to be clear and for him to be over his past. Don’t forget he has a huge ass empire to run and putting your best enforcer to chase obsessively after one guy that doesn’t a pose a threat to you (at least from his perspective, he doesn’t know about Luke yet) isn’t a good use of resources.
@RahulPatel-og2ke that's such a cope and you know it. Palpatine would 100% be down for Vader tracking down Obi Wan freaking Kenobi. For all the emperor knows, Kenobi can lead them to more Jedi, even Yoda. This is a horribly written show and you know it.
6:40. "Oh. Really?"
From the wrong side of the screen.
Absolutely floored me.
"We're gonna keep churning these out til they stop making money."
I have a feeling very similar words were said in the real pitch meeting... 😂
How are they making money? Is it just people go 'ooooo more shitty crap. I'll not cancel my sub until I've watched this shitty crap.'
But unlike the Star Wars stuff pitch meetings is consistently good.
Looks like Producer Guys character Development from a few weeks ago is undone now. He's back to his money hungry ways.
Marvel was definitely the first start this trend; imagine spitting out shows and films like water each year. There were five shows and four films last year... you can't tell me that's not way too much lol.
@@pigeonpoo1823 Super Easy, Barely an Inconvenience...just rely on "Mommy, Mommy, I want it" and parents getting tired of the bullshit and giving in.
Watching pitch meetings within the first minute of release is tight
TIGHT INDEED
@@chasehedges6775 he should do the disturbing mac and me movie 🤯
Super Tight!
It's super easy, barely an inconvience
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Your ability to spot, and call out, the absurdity in show and movie scenes is top notch!
This is so accurate and I love how he doesn't have to make fun of anything, the ridiculousness of the writing speaks for itself.
"First, he's spying on a 10-year old boy with binoculars." "Um, that's kinda..." "Then, he hides a 10-year old girl under his huge trench-coat." "Oh god please no."
"You are 10 years old, but you won't always be..."
"And then he tries to take them to an island."
"I will pay you to stop."
My favorite part was when the LED on Leia's toy turns red so we know it's bad.
If it didn't, these snowflakes wouldn't know.
@Michael Lochlann well they're still unironically ruining star wars so . . . yeah
now stop being such a fucking snowflake
same
@Michael Lochlann the year doesn't matter .. snowflakes still exist
@Michael Lochlann No. It was never unironic to begin with. Why? Are you melting?
"It's a contract issue" is probably the funniest line in any of these pitch meetings, and I can't believe I missed it the first time I watched this.
Everyone is talking about the catch phrases "super easy barely an inconvenience" and " (...) is TIGHT", but my all time favorite is when the producer guy says " I guess that makes sense"
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I like when Producer Guy asks about a huge logical flaw and the response is "So the movie can happen."
"Oh and Obi-wan holds back the freaking ocean"
"The ocean? Thats where all the fish live! But wait, I thought you said he was weak right now"
"I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about how weak or strong Obi-wan is at any given moment"
Well okay then
Lemme get off of that thing
Thank you for this addition 😂
Kinda weird they didn’t talk about Reva’s parkour through the city, making sure it was just long enough that she didn’t immediately catch up with Obi-Wan and Leia but when Leia is running through the tunnels she instantly teleported to where she needed to be despite Leia having a massive head start.
Ex machina jedi teleportation powers are tight!
Or the fact that the "impregnable" Fortress Inquisitorious was so easy to sneak into, or when Tala sat right next to 3 bad guys while staying on comms with Obi-Wan, or the fact that they didn't launch any tie fighters during the escape...actually, I'd like Ryan to do an entire video on Episode 4.
Her very slow climbing down the one building was extra hilarious considering bracing yourself with the force to jump from taller places is suoer easy, barely an inconvenience. I'm pretty sure every force user in every IP has done it once except her lol.
Leia’s ability to outrun people via jumpcut is tight!
Or like how she teleported to Tatooine and chased down Luke in the time it took for Obi to lure Vader away from the rebels and fight him
I can’t get over the fact I’ve watched a thousand pitch meetings, and I laugh hysterically at the same phrases time and again. Not to mention, it’s so brilliantly done, I literally forget it’s one guy playing two roles. Ryan is underpaid, regardless of how much he’s getting.
I get unreasonably excited when I realize he's about to say it, and laugh every time in spite of knowing it's gonna happen. Like when Andrew Rousso says "phuck!" like he's sneezing at the end of most of his videos; it never gets old.
I like when he sneaks in the quick and barely audible "ya, shutup" when bossman sarcastically calls out the nonsensical plotlines
Our squishy human brain is just a giant pattern recognition machine. It likes finding and recognizing patterns.
Ryan has found that sweet spot of recognition of the pattern, using the pattern differently every time so our adhd brains don’t get bored, and rewarding our brains for enjoying said recognition.
Wow wow wow,
So underpaid,
It’s tight!
The best thing about these videos, to me, is imagining that these meetings to make these movies happen EXACTLY like this. I love to imagine that something with this much money behind it is simplified to this level and i dont know why. Love this stuff.
Had me laughing at, "When Vader puts out the fire, she save Obi-wan by starting A FIRE!"
Well, it was a bigger fire!
vader can only put out a fire once a week.. maybe low mana problem? :)) Muhehe that was so stupid.. like for american people. we need 10 videos on yt with EPLAINED in title :)))
@@alchkosac No, clearly he was just on cooldown. His skills don't cost mana, duh.... 🤣
Vader didn't start the fire it was always burning since the world was turning
I looked away from the TV for like a second and looked back and she was dragging Obi to safety and I had to ask my wife "wait, did they escape?" "Yes" she said, but she couldn't tell me how.
I sincerely get more enjoyment from these than the shows. Maybe because these are written with more care.
Unquestionably.
Stop questioning the brand.
Consume the product.
Can't wait for Ryan's pitch meeting about ahsoka, i have my popcorn ready lmao.
3:49, to be fair, that’s also the case in the original movies. In the 1977 Stat Wars movie the film starts with Darth Vader kidnapping her and her having to send a distress signal to General Kenobi. In Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader kidnaps both her and Han Solo and tortures them to use them as bait to lure Luke Skywalker into a trap. In Return of the Jedi, she’s kidnapped by Jabba the Hutt.
"Is this a cartoon?" Comedic gold, keep them coming Ryan haha
Ryan wants you to bend over.
He beat his own dog into a miscarriage and got away with it. How can you support that son?
@@jennyanydots2389 Because his dog was asking for it. Also your son is gay.
@@jennyanydots2389 Eh?
No it’s much sillier!
Being on a mission to kill a bunch of Jedi in order to get revenge on the guy who killed a bunch of Padawan learners ain't so tight. Very convoluted plot to say the least.
Morons when characters are hypocritical and more complex than Maleficent:
It makes sense. She wanted to learn more about the force and infiltrate them from the inside.
I haven't watched it but it sounds like a huge mess of plot holes lol I gess Disney is just expecting the Star Wars brand to do money just because it is the Star Wars brand, without even caring about the quality of the content they are producing with it.
@@Kronecraft
You probably shouldn’t call people morons.
Not like as a respect thing I just mean you specifically.
Irony’s not so tight.
Super convoluted, majorly an inconvenience
“He was too angry to die”
If I was in a chair, I’d have fallen out! 😂
Great video, in fact it was so beautifully done that I got mad at the series all over again lol
"He's from the Star Wars Holiday Special!"
"She's from Rogue One: A Star Wars Story!"
"He's from the Mandalorian!"
A very good series of burns, much respect.
Like the guys who believe Solo: A Star Wars Story brought Darth Maul back to life.
It's funny how saying that Anakin is from the Mandalorian spoofs the cluelessness and lack of passion executives often have for the subject matter
@@ivanasukjadic1423 Cough cough Kathleen Kennedy the CEO of Lucasfilm?
@@webbedshadow2601 Kennedy has passion, Star Wars is just the vehicle she has hijacked to deliver it.
@@webbedshadow2601 it's funny that people hate her for the bad then ignore her with some of the good lol. Idk I think theres plenty of other people to blame that people are to lazy and just watch the same dumb UA-camrs. Like yes she partly to blame cause she brought in some shitty people but there's others who make these crappy movies. And sorry but this girl also helps with some of the biggest movies of the 90s.
"She became a ruthless hunter who kills Jedi because she wants to get back at the guy who...kills Jedi."
Lmao, my thoughts exactly
"let's add something that conceptually sounds cool without thinking more than two minutes about it"
This is one idea that isn’t too farfetch. The idea is “do anything for revenge”. Since she has not enough power against Darth Vader, the only way is to go undercover and stab him in the back. Ever heard stories of cops who go undercover turned criminals?
In the 80s GI Joe continuity that was pretty much Storm Shadow's motive for joining Cobra
i mean anakin joined the darkside to save his wife then choked her out
@@hughtarbet3559 The dark side makes you stupid, this is canon.
That Laser gate where they could just walk around it....just did it for me with that series. It felt like hey, lets have a load of cool scenes that everyone wants to see and hang a half arsed script around it. No one will think any of it through as they will be distracted by cool scenes.
I assumed they were gonna drive the truck after shutting off the laser, but nope, they just went off walking. It was so easy to make them turning off the laser be a sensible move. It was right there. It's baffling to me how they can be this dumb with these easily fixable plotholes or nonsensical decisions.
Another one is Darth Vader not extinguishing the fire the 2nd time, letting Obi Wan escape. The show literally showed Vader extinguishing the flame just seconds ago, so why can he suddenly not be able to? Again, another easily fixable scene by just not showing that Vader can extinguish the flame with a force push in the first place.
3:40 THIS, I was pulling my hair at what I just had witnessed.
I can’t believe that producer guy finally admitted that the Star Wars Holliday Special happened. That’s some great character development for him.
Maybe he’s just learned to be a more open guy since his eyes turned into dollar signs that one time🤑
The scene when Chewbacca's father watch Wookie porn is one of the most traumatic experience coming from USA television. I can see why people don't acknowledge its existence.
@@faolitaruna For me it's when Chewbacca and his family join a cult and go to space. Like... it's way too much no matter what you are on
Acknowledging the holiday special is tight.
Plugging another video, hint, hint.
Boy am I glad producer guy mentioned the star wars holiday special! I would not have been able to recognize the name "Luke Skywalker" if he hadn't!
It's definitely a deep dive in to the lore. Only a true fan would recognize the name...
I can practically see the "spying on ten year old boys through binoculars is tight" line lying on the cutting room floor. Probably a good call.
It was obvious that should have been the line, and was startling when it wasn't.
“He’s in the holiday special”
Me: *laughs for five minutes*
“She’s from Rogue One!”
Me: *laughs for another five*
I love how theoretically Leah develop a bound with Obi-wan and barely reacted after his death. Disney Star Wars at its' best.
Hey, we got some stuff like that from the prequel‘s, it was just harder to notice because there’s a 20 year separation and most of the characters are dead, this is just what happens when you try and tell other parts of the story, no matter how well thought out they are
Just like how Luke didn't react at all when the people who raised him his whole life died but reacted way more when Obi-Wan did 💀
She was sad, that's why she hung out with Luke on the Falcon.
@@mreevee7785 💯💯💯
I mean... remember her reaction to seeing her whole planet being blown up? She is someone who deals with grief internally
5:52 that contract issue joke went over my head the first time
I liked the part when Disney writers made obi wan think about little kids in order to get his powers back. Very on brand for Disney.
You mean of course because Disney always made movies for kids... right? ...right???
That holiday special joke lot me to actually laugh out loud, so did the Rogue one joke
The holiday special and rogue one are from a pitch meeting episode!
@@danielskrivan6921 oh REALLY?
I kind of half expected him to mispronounce it "Rouge One."
I like how simply he explained the GI surviving. "He was too angry to die"
Disney hates the holiday special so much that they refuse to take down the entire reupload of it on UA-cam because that would mean acknowledging its existence
“Turns out she’s very bad at not getting kidnapped”
Oh, I get it, she’s Princess Leia, of Alderaan’s Mushroom Kingdom, constantly being captured by the evil fire breathing space turtle Sith
Isn't being bad at not being kidnapped how we meet her for the first time in a new hope? Seems like kind of a recurring problem, her inability to avoid being kidnapped.
@@SuperSupersoda She’s a strong, independent… damsel in distress. The princess that always has to be saved.
@@BDLabs2 always needs to be saved, and quite sassy and unafraid of her captors at the same time
...or is actually Mokuba in disguise
Yeah, Vader kidnapped her in New Hope, then he kidnapped her again in Empire (after she got eaten by a space worm). Then she got kidnapped by Jabba and by the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi.
It's kinda her thing.
Bail Organa sending a message to Obi-Wan when he thought something bad may have happened made me think i was having a stroke.
"watching little boys through binoculars" would have been way funnier lol
I watched this entire show with Ryan’s voice in my head. It’s unavoidable. Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
having Ryan’s voice in head is tight :)
As soon as darth Vader shows up, my brain in Ryan’s voice: hey he’s from the other movie!
Wow wow wow wow. Wow.
Sure seems that way
“So the show can happen!”
Respect fot the poor stunt performer who had to convincingly fail to keep up with the kid in the kidnapping scene. Wasn't convincing at all but whatever, points for trying
Gods what a stupid scene. They shouldve made it hide and seek, not catch.that way a child would have an Advantage
Next time they'll hire a competent director who will film it convincingly.
Nah, it'll be fine!
Those hunters should have just chased after her in Skittles-colored hover-Vespas.
Obviously an experienced parent.
"Imma get ya!"
"Oh you're too fast!"
Someone made a “Benny Hill” type version of that scene that pretty much sums it all up perfectly
"He's from the Star Wars Holiday Special' might be my favourite line delivery in all of Pitch Meeting. Perfection 😘
It never fails to astonish me how these Cinematic Universes routinely feature writing worse than the average related fanfic. It's just marvelously entertaining and helps the average viewer feel superior to Hollywood millionaires.
The continuity and logical structure of these serialized shows are amazingly bad. I'd like to see some investigation into why, just out of curiosity. Are these young, inexperienced writers? Older writers who have mostly written episodic shows, and so are not used to tracking continuity? Producers cutting corners on script supervisors?
@@EndPoliticalCorruption I worked for a major Hollywood studio as a writer, and I gotta say that sometimes the director screws up the story, but even if they don't the producer(s) almost always will. If you pitched The Wizard of Oz, they'd like it but want to change it so Dorothy seduced the Scarecrow and prevented a nuclear war, and also can we get Cate Blanchett in this with some weird European-ish accent.
@@RandomAxeOfKindness Oh yes, it's been well advertised that execs muck with stories or the overall config. I'm not discounting that. But with the explosion of cable channels and now streaming platforms, do you think that the writing talent is spread too thin?
"Seems like she should have led with that"
Literally what I and everyone thought when watching that scene
...and it wasn't even the worst writing flub in the show, since you could just say "well, the stormtroopers' blasting loosened it!"
it's even more egregious when the supposedly highly trained troopers (and the ragtag partisans) all start firing at each other in a tunnel WITHOUT ever looking for cover. like, wtf? why stand in the MIDDLE of a fucking TUNNEL while dressed in WHITE when everyone's really got nowhere else to shoot??
even better: the stormtroopers barely hit anyone with their superior firepower. the partisans with rusted weapons managed to hit a few, and they instantly fall dead, despite their shiny white armors.
all from the same scene btw.
I can’t believe people watch Disney +
@@adamludlow1977 it’s lazy content and at this point is seeming very rushed. Like things that should be obvious as plot problems are getting through.
@@adamludlow1977 i cant believe people pay for disney+ content
@@alveolate Even better that chick with the robot pointlessly sacrifices herself with a thermal denotator that is designed to be thrown like a grenade and subsequently does no damage to the enemy team advancing. They were far away enough to not be affected by the blast and for her to easily throw it and remain in cover under the robot.
So...
1. Action with very little stakes or consequences
2. Characters gaining and forgetting abilities as the plot demands
3. Retconned characters with no impact
The ultimate combo of mass produced content + stories that are neutered by existing canon.
I mean the first point was bound to happen consider we already know the fate of most of the characters in the series.
@@nkkenlken3220 Good writers can do prequels without falling into this trap by introducing characters the other's care about or by having an intentionally lower stakes story. I'm not even kidding when I say that's something the Prequel Trilogy did pretty well.
And the Star Wars fans still praise it to heaven and back. Which is why Disney will never put effort into their content again.
But at least there was a majority of female writers, so we all applauded.
Hey, they made Andor and nobody watched it. It’s basically the first original idea Star Wars has had in like 3 decades.
Seems like Star Wars fans would rather endless rehashes of the same story and family in perpetuity forever.
you were surprisingly kind to this one.
Id like to add the "oh no, theyre escaping in a spaceship. gosh darn it. if there only was some way to follow but I guess I will just stand here being angry"-scenes.
I was terrified that Producer Guy was going to say that watching little boys through binoculars was tight. I'm very glad he said People instead.
"Nah, he was too angry to die"
Jesus, these only get better.
that's my favourite part
And like Jesus, he was too angry to die.
Every single pitch meeting is more entertaining than the movies themselves.
That's actually a way to save time, money and be actually entertained!
Most are at least.
I enjoy watching his videos so I can just rewatch the same stuff.
@@go_better saving money and actually being entertained is tight!!
@@Slade_Chill actually, it's super easy. Barey an inconvenience!
"actually it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience"
Every video and it still makes me chuckle every time
"He was too angry to die" LOL!!!
“He was too angry to die”
Sounds like a joke and yet… that’s what they went with.
That concept appears in pre-Disney canon, though, so it's okay.
Now, if it was something completely new, that Disney made up, then we'd have a problem, but fortunately that's not the case.
That’s like the only thing that actually makes sense in the continuity of the saga.
I’m fact, Qui-Gon being dead is just an exclamation point on this phenomena. Reva and G.I. survive the same gut stab, Maul gets cut in half and survives a huge fall, all because of vengeful rage. #JustSithThings
Stab. Hate. Live.
Apparently SITH are like roaches. They never die the first time you try to kill them.
@@TheQA247 Except Dooku. Poor Dooku.
Unless there's a story about his head surviving, which there very well might be.
@@damkylan3 I now do (not) want to see a Count Dookead with a robot body.
"He's from the star wars holiday special!"
That was so funny, actually made me splurt out my drink
…like blue milk? 🥴
I had to pause the video I laughed so hard.
Referencing IP George Lucas would like to forget is tight!
I was not prepared. I CANNOT STOP LAUGHING
Do you NOT know better than to take a drink during a Pitch Meeting? A rookie mistake!
I'm not even big on Star Wars and that made me cackle
Dude your videos are really funny ! Keep on with those please !
You guys are so good at this. Keep going.
I just realized Leia is always being kidnapped. In the first movie, that was the whole plot of rescuing the princess. The second movie she and Han were kidnapped to lure Luke into a trap. And by the third movie she's being captured by both Jabba and little bear Ewoks. She is constantly imperiled but at least by the third movie she has more of a sense of agency behind it e.g. killing Jabba and being worshiped by the Ewoks.
And here is Disney once again trying to subvert out expectations and demolish gender stereotypes but actually doing exactly what we expected and reinforcing those stereotypes with titanium plating.
Hehe like princess peach in Mario
You also forget that even when captured, the MOMENT she's given a chance she pulls out the GAT
Even good old George Lucas liked himself a damsel in distress.
@@557deadpool the GAT?
The more one hears the plot of "Obi-Wan" described, the more incredible it seems that this ever made it out of script meetings. It's not even "fridge logic", it's more like "you take one step towards the fridge and then you have to go grab a pain reliever because of the crushing migraine of all the improbabilities, inconsistencies, and logical leaps" logic.
It makes perfect sense when you realize the quality of writing in Hollywood movies and TV shows has fallen to abysmal levels. This is about the best they can do these days.
It was a good show
@@iGaveLiaHIV Like the way a BigMac is good food?
@@primmakinsofis614 But that’s not really true. All of the animated Star Wars stuff (except resistance) has been absolutely spectacular and well thought out. Too bad none of the other series have been….
@@iGaveLiaHIV No it wasn’t. The writing was sequel quality, the dialogue was prequel quality, and the visuals were fan film quality.
“ The Inquisitor Guy was too angry to die “😂
All of these are hilarious. Keep them coming!
How can writing in a show that has millions of dollars of budget have so many flaws ? You'd think good writing would be their first priority
Welcome to Hollywood
Money is the first priority. 😃
Well to be hired at Disney nowadays you have to be a "progressive" activists first and a screenwriter second or third or fourth. It really doesn't matter as long as you can inject the show with "the message".
I assume every job is gotten through contacts rather than actual talent. Since the market has gotten the people used to garbage scripts and cliché plotlines, they can afford to hire whoever and still make bank. People largely don't care about talent and actual value, and this is true for most mediums nowadays. They just want more of the same.
@@heroncolby2842 Sure. Disney's recruitment goes with a checklist, something like
"Have you changed your sex recently?"
"Are you from a different sexual orientation than heteronormative?"
"Is your color not caucasian?"
"Do you consider yourself more close to female or to male?"
....
Question 100- "Have you ever written anything or at least know basic spelling?"
You know honestly I got more joy and amusement in the 6 minutes of this than in the 6 hours of the actual show lol
Word
I couldn't watch this show after episode 3. But I'm glad that Ryan saved me the time.
@@cgroom23 That's when I stopped watching as well. Right after they disabled the laser gate rather than just running around it. I couldn't anymore with the lazy writing and bad directing.
"He was too angry to die" I'm wheezing!
This was hilarious! One of my favorite pitch meetings.
This was worth the wait, but I thought for sure the line would be: "So Vader leaves Reva for dead on a deserted planet, but she needs to get to Tatooine by the beginning of the next episode!" That's impossible. "Actually, sir, it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience!"
She used those teleportation powers that she used to get to the tunnel to kidnap Leia a couple episodes ago!
Producer: How?
Screen Writer: Unclear
No she just used the 3rd ship that was sitting off-screen in the hanger. Duh it's not hard.
Oh, really?
Reva is actually dead, and this is the delusional dream she had as she was dying.
"He's from the Star Wars Holiday Special!" cracked me up right outta the gate. I never stood a chance.
Gotta respect someone who says "amongst". Twin souls we are, fellow padawan.
The exact moment I gave up taking this series seriously was when Reva just stole Haja's thoughts to find out where Obi-wan was; "I don't need you to tell me" then why didn't you do the EXACT same thing to Owen, when you thought he was hiding a Jedi in the FIRST FRIGGIN EPISODE😭!! Did you FORGET?!
This is one pitch meeting where "super easy, barely an inconvenience" could have been every other line of the conversation.
underrated comment
"He was too angry to die."
Best. Line. Ever.
Wait till you find out that is the canonical explanation.
I'm not kidding. Sith can canonically survive being chopped in half by being too angry to die. It's the dumbest addition to the lore.
I mean...Maul did it. Twice in his life
Why not Paname was too sad to live.
@@salvadorHombre It may be dumb, but it's realistic. Wars are littered with incidents where people have survived fatal injuries through seemingly nothing more than sheer force of will.
@@ovni2295 dude. Just... No. Maul was chopped in half and thrown down a shaft. Making it possible to survive that by sheet force is neither realistic not is it very good for the story as it ruins the stakes. Now you can have any bad guy surve practically anything because they were mad.
Rebel base: "We have these big bay doors for coming and going with our ships"
Also Rebel Base: "Even though we must always be ready to go if the Empire finds us, we don't have anyone that can fix them. Let's use a 10 year old girl that we just met"
I don't dislike the Obi-Wan Kenobi series, but it feels like the opposite of Better Call Saul, in terms of being a prequel. One does it masterfully and surprises you with how much tension and suspense it can create despite you knowing so many future details. The other getting road blocked at every turn and awkwardly adhering to the cannon with more stumbles then deliberate steps.
“Reva finds a connection between Kenobi and Leia”
“Wow, so now the empire knows theres a connection between the Organas and Kenobi, how is that gonna work in the OT considering Vader saw it first hand?”
“Im gonna need you to get ALLLL the way off my back about that sir!”
even the grand inquisitor knows the Reva kidnap an imperial senator's daughter, so he knows there's a connection between organa and kenobi
Reva is a living breathing Cul de-sac of lore. Anything revelatory ends with her. She's basically a kinda plot device for keeping the lore intact.
"how is that gonna work in the OT"
something, something "You may fire when ready."
@@lhfinatl7068 “why is she trying to kill luke?”
“Because hes Darth Vaders son!”
“Ya, but if Organa didnt say that how did she know he was in any way important?”
“Because i wrote it in the script!”
You know, I was profoundly troubled when Disney bought this IP, but it's truly gratifying to know that everything is going well and they're treating the lore with respect. 😀🔫
LOL! Ya got me
The squirt gun is what really sells it. I'm so glad that all our tech overlords got together to ensure that gun emojis no longer exist. Now that they've done that, they've solved gun crime everywhere. Forever.
@@RaynmanPlays when a kid is about to shoot up a school but Samsung saves the day by changing the gun emoji to a water pistol.
And the writing is top notch!! I mean my pet goldfish wrote a script that I thought was pretty good but DAMN, Disney must have a whole room of goldfish writing for them!!
@@AnthologyOfDave I'll never let them forget they hired a professional writer and OKd the line.
"Somehow Palpatine returned"
You are awesome Ryan! A critic crazy monologue, awesome. I laughed a lot! Best wishes
02:04 I never understood why they're running with their light sabers deployed. Isn't the point of having a retractable weapon is to only deploy it when fighting and put it back to its compact form to perform other tasks, like running? I'm looking at you Rey!
"Hello there!"
"Oh, that's the thing the internet likes!"
This was a really good episode XD
I didn't know that "hello there" was a thing that the Internet likes.
Yup normies will eat shit up once you put sprinkles on it.
@@shawnparkspost Have you not seen a meme the past 15 years?
What makes this even more hilarious is that if Alec Guiness were alive, he'd HATE that fandom obsessed over something as dumb as this little line that was glib and meant nothing. They turned it into Obi-Wan's whole personality and it only proves what he disliked about fanatics all along
@@fanvidder4408 I'm pretty sure he was in the same boat as Harrison Ford when it comes to star wars. They both thought the writing was trash but needed the check.
“So how did Reva figure out that the ‘boy on Tatooine’ was Darth Vader’s son?”
“Sir, I’m gonna need you to get *all* the way off my back about Reva’s leaps in logic.”
I hate it too but I'll give it this, she maybe learned the LARS had a boy named SKYWALKER, Sooo...
@@inspectorwhoreacts Yeah, they didn't bother changing his name. And she did question Owen. My issue with this is really that she had no reason to find Owen suspicious. He came off anti Jedi and seems to legit be anti-Jedi TBH, so he's not even lying here. There's nothing suspicious about him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but she never came across anything tying Owen to any of this. And if they talked about "the boy" it could be anyone.
@@DavidSmith-mt7tb Bail mentions Owen by name in the transmission Reva finds
These pitch meetings are super easy,barely an inconvenience.
I think having Luke and Leia in this show was a big mistake. We know they survive everything, so there's zero suspense in all that running around and getting kidnapped and all these shenanigans.
You need to involve at least one of them for Kenobi to get off his ass. And Leia has always been more interesting than Luke.
@@Carabas72 or you could write a story that happens before either of them were born. I mean he's Obi Wan, he surely had a life before he had that lazy guard job on Tatooine.
@@Carabas72 Nahh man. There's so many things they could of done. Having Luke there makes sense given they're both on Tatootine but the way they braught Leia into the plot was really amateur writing. The actress and exchanges between the two characters were great though. Once again it just comes down to the writing.
@@Carabas72 Lol, that's a good one. Leia being more interesting than Luke. Gotta remember that one, that's gonna be the joke of the year.
But at least Luke barely being in this didn't make him as much of an insufferable brat as Leia. It's not often you know someone is going to be a main character in the future and STILL hope something bad happens to them because of how awfull their character is written.
@@Dave1507
18-20 year old Padawan Obi-Wan on Mandalore having a romance with royalty sounds like fun.
So who are you going to cast as Obi-Wan? Because Ewan McGregor is too old, and the CGI make-up is too expensive for a main character in a tv show.
The "who suddenly teleported to the end of this tunnel" bit, holy shit did that drive me nuts when I was watching the show I'm glad you called it out lmao. Suuuuch a bullshit cliche that bad guys can always magically teleport to the other end of whatever path you're using to escape! >_< These writers took it to a particular extreme, too.
Don't forget she pulls that same bullshit in episode 6. Suddenly teleported to Tatooine after being fatally stabbed by Vader. Apparently that was barely an inconvenience though!
Yea I was like how tf and even if you got to the end wouldn't she have to sneak by Leia to get to the end of be super fast and know exactly where the tunnel is going to lead.
I think it's pretty obvious what happened in those instances; her unique force ability is teleportation. there, plot-hole solved.
The only way I could save it is that Reva worked out where the tunnel was headed and went back over ground. But yeah - annoyed the heck out of me. It seems to be that consistent distances and travel appear to be a modern writing major inconvenience so they just don't bother. Looking at you GoT, Witcher, Expanse, MCU, Stars Wars etc etc.
Remember that in the last star wars movie, they showed us that force can be used to teleport things...God I hate Star wars now :(