Every time Z has Monica on, the richness and depth of the conversation exceed that he has with any other guest--hands down. Absolutely an abundant chat today, Dr. Z. Monica rocks!
Dr. Gandhi is such a compelling speaker, and has been one of the few voices of reason helping people like me to navigate this madness since 2020. She has this combination of intellect, compassion, and humor that seems so rare. Given my high levels of anxiety (in the true clinical sense), if it weren't for people like ZDogg and Dr. Gandhi, I'd still be locked in my house. Thanks, y'all, seriously.
@@lcn706 I am interested in seeing what people on the other side of the debate are saying, but it feels like we're in parallel universes. I've more recently discovered people like Lucy McBride, too, who has been quite helpful.
She is one of my favorites! Her style resonates honest scientific expetise that is l delivered from a point of knowledge. Dr. Z brings out the best of his guest/friends. Thank you!
I love her. Best doctor on this topic. Explains things so clearly and factually without being dismissive of either side. We need more of this. Can we have a Zdogg/Gandhi show regularly?
This is making me so emotional; you two saved my life during the pandemic. Your logical, impassioned, data-driven, and common sense discussions around immunology and public health approaches, grounded me in a unique way. Thank you so so so much.
What a pleasure to hear from Monica again. As always she is so comprehensive, research based, human and reassuring. She has emerged as an immunology, public health treasure.
Long time since i stopped watching COVID 19 updates, I agree!!! media only alarm don't inform. I love watching Dr Monica, she is so good at explaining and Dr ZDogg at interviewing.
Great conversation and messaging! So good that you got her back on your channel! She's a great professional and a sweetheart ❤ Thanks for sharing her love and wisdom!
I really enjoy everyone that you have on your show, but there’s just something extra special about Monica. Her passion and compassion just penetrates through my heart ♥️
I currently tested positive for Covid. First time in the pandemic. I am vaccinated and boosted and my symptoms are mild. It was great to hear these experts speak about how to live with Covid, especially since we have 3 kiddos a toddler, kindergartner and soon to be high schooler. Thanks for giving us an update on Covid. I feel much better and now have a deeper understanding on how to live with Covid.
@@Vanessa-jy4ky glad you are doing well! These new variants are different so mild symptoms not are surprising for vaccinated peeps. We are a house of 5 and only 2 of us are positive and have mild symptoms. It is interesting how Covid effects people differently.
@@lizab8400 Yes, it’s strange isn’t it. My daughter and I both came down mildly ill and my unvaxed husband has tested negative the whole time. We’ve all just woken up with this morning with a mild cold which is strange since two of us are still getting over COVID and now a cold on top of it all. Hope you and your family feel better, soon.
ALL the Dr. Monica shows: zdoggmd.com/tag/dr-monica-gandhi/ Support our show 1-time on PayPal and get an email thank you directly from moi: paypal.me/zdoggmd Topics & Timecodes 00:00 Intro, mask mandates, individual control & benefits of one-way masking 05:22 Long COVID, innate vs adaptive immunity, seroprevalence among varying age groups 10:27 Vaccine protection against severe COVID, natural immunity, media catastrophizing, animal reservoirs & endemicity 15:23 Hepatitis outbreak in children, did pandemic sheltering weaken our kids' immune responses, masking children & the precautionary principle 20:00 Creating an endpoint, the purpose of non-pharmaceutical interventions, hospitalizations with COVID vs. for COVID, death rate as a key metric 23:53 Hybrid immunity, Omicron as the great equalizer, CDC messaging & it's role in terrifying the vaccinated & convincing the unvaccinated that vaccines don't work 31:49 Covaxin vs Sinovac, India vs. China, downstream effects of lockdowns, excess deaths 40:32 Age-based risk stratification, immune response in children, what a "mild" case of Omicron looks like, Paxlovid & other therapeutics 46:10 Omicron mutations & why they point to approaching endemicity, public & mental health strategies 49:38 The value of holistic treatment, right brain vs. left brain, reductionism, importance of recognizing the many tools we have to combat COVID 59:32 What's next for Monica, why docs suck at talking about risk, final thoughts
I don't think it's fair that the US FDA is stalling on the traditional protein base Novavax when every other country in the world has approved... like it or not many people are scared of the RNA vaccines because of all the reporting of strokes, blood clots, cancer and things that are happening to people that are getting the RNA.... at least approve Novavax to give the hesitant an option that they may trust more...
@@williamparks867 because a bunch of unvaccinated men my age in my city died of covid this past December and January... but I also know some people who have heart problems since getting their vaccine... I have never been more torn then I am now
Something REALLY weird has been going on, my mom tested positive and I tested negative and we're both sick with something We got infected in different places so I don't believe it's a false negative She somehow is not spreading covid to me even though we're not isolated (I mean, of course we won't leave the house but she's not isolating herself from me) I think it's because of my hybrid immunity and the thing you said a year ago, viral interference
How sad was the aggressive level of shaming if one didn’t even wear a mask outside with tons of space between them & other people? Lots of apologies should be happening right now.
I love it when you have Dr. Monica Gandhi on. I love her balanced approach to Covid and to medical conditions in general. She is such a gracious humble incredibly intellectual woman.
You guys made me want to cry such calm sound compassion with reason. None of which seem to be a common thing in media or people giving information about covid as a mom its so nice to feel like there are a few people you can listen to and maybe even trust 😉
Outstanding conversation. Maybe another issue to discuss is the fact that society has trended toward having the attention span of gnats…which sadly precludes so many people from ever hearing this conversation (or any other in-depth, nuanced exploration).
Thank you for this. I appreciate hearing from Dr. Ghandhi any time. She always seems calm and smart and not full of shit and that is just so refreshing nowadays.
This is exactly the information I’ve been looking for: How do we live with Covid? What should we be afraid of, if anything. And how do we take the correct precautions to avoid getting sick. Thank you Dr. Monica.
I absolutely love her! What a kind, lovely, factual woman she is. She’s just brilliant and what a better world we’d live in if she were in charge of public health. How in the world did so many physicians allow politics to trump common sense? I think many were afraid to speak up.
I'm a monitor tech in ICU and I'm so ready to not have to wear a mask when I walk in the door. We've only had 2 COVID cases in our ICU for the last month.
I teach (at the community college level) in Chicago, and I will testify 100% that not being able to know what anyone looks like or share everyday empathy and warmth through facial expressions takes the joy, heart, & soul out of teaching. What kind of "future" are we preparing these young people for -- a future of skulking around foreve behind masks in a world devoid of facial expression, fearing ourselves and one another as toxic? I can't abide being complicit in that -- I''l retire first (which I fear I'll have to do at the end of this next Fall semester).
I do have to ask, though -- where are you? I'm reading some pretty ominous stories about the current surge, its effect on some hospitals (some in upstate NY have begun to curtail non-emergent serrices again, and waiting times are getting longer), and how it's predicted to blanket the country within a few weeks. A lot of people are predicting another "COVID Summer" for the US.
I feel the same. I appreciate this podcast for the expertise and spirit of both Dr Z and Dr Gandhi. But, please stop forgetting about all of us healthcare facility workers that have wearing masks non-stop for almost two and a half years. How do WE move forward? If the evidence shows no difference between communities with mask mandates and those without, what does the body of evidence show regarding universal masking in healthcare facilities?
@@brendaryder7363 Surgical masks, of course, are designed to block larger droplets -- blood, saliva, etc. -- but they do little if anything to filter out airborne viral pathogens. I'm not a medical professional, but my guess is that people working in healthcare settings will probably still be advised to use surgical masks in situations where it's always been considered necessary. I'm hoping, though, that for standard patient-practitioner encounters, where face-to-face empathy is such a vital component, masks won't be required unless (of course) the patient is showing symptoms of illness (be it COVID or otherwise). Floor nurses who aren't working in a COVID unit or the ICU? That;s a tough one, because at least in theory, even if they were asymptomatic, they could still infect patients. ( I must say, though, that some nurses I know are so used to wearing masks that they're literally afraid to take them off in any public settings, not just at work.) I'm also wondering what the requirements will be for people (friends, family members, etc.) who are visiting the hospital. It's amazing to realize that until two years ago, people strolled down hospital corridors and visited rooms without even thinking about wearing a mask, unless it was a particularly high-risk situation. I don't ever remember a nurse or a doctor visitng my room in a hospital, wearing a mask. And sharing those smiles was a healing thing, in and of itself!!
I'm glad we can come here to listen to voices of reason and common sense unlike the charlatans in the media and politicians, thank you for bringing sanity to this issue
Thank you both! 🙏🙏it’s such a joy to see Monica again! You have influenced my thinking about Covid more than anyone and helped keep my anxiety down. I so appreciate all the knowledge and insight you share. It’s made a big difference for me and for many others. I love the comment about the prom and girls wearing 💄💄!
Ontario here and we are a real world study of mandates vs no mandates. Our cases based wastewater has been essentially the same (granted tons of folks still masking)
I agree! I was really scared the first weekend without masks here in Quebec but this chat made me feel considerably better. It IS time to get back to our lives now and live with this as it’s not going anywhere.
At the 17 minute mark, you talk about the danger of keeping kids away from dirt and germs and pathogens. That's EXACTLY what those Bakersfield doctors said back in - what was it - April or May 2020 - and you mocked them. They were arguing against lockdowns. They made so many great points that have proven to be true. I love you and your show, but really u owe them an apology for disrespecting their ideas, which you are now supporting. This is a perfect example of that.
Long term symptoms here. I feel like long covid was sort of glossed over like it was a simple solution. If that’s the case, why are there so many of us, desperate and still sick? I know vaccinated people with long covid as well. Us with long covid are very afraid of reinfection because in some of us- it makes our illness way worse. Or in people who have recovered, they relapse. How are we who are chronically sick just supposed to live with it? Vaccine made the symptoms much much worse in my case. Afraid of getting a booster because of that.
So glad you read McGilchrist's The Master and his Emissary! A magisterial tour-de-force! Fantastic someone like you read what is easily one of the most important works of the 21st century.
Yesss Monica, lipstick is really important. In my country I still need to wear a mask and I suffer because I can’t wear makeup. I know this sounds so trivial but it’s part of my mental health. Glad someone relates.
My sister and her husband (Michigan) are both triple vaccinated and in their second week of pretty severe Covid. Both say it is the worst virus they have ever experienced. My sister was running a fever of 103.8 the first week. Now they are both suffering from severe fatigue with hoarseness and a bad cough. She is 73 and he is 84. My Aunt and Uncle who are older got it around the same time and had much less severe symptoms. My Uncle said it felt like the flu and my Aunt only lost her smell and taste and that is returning. My niece who has never been vaccinated, caught Covid last year and is suffering from long haul syndrome.
I wish more people would listen to people like Gandhi and Dr Campbell. They've been so much more down to earth and realistic about everything compared to all the constant media fearmongering Redditors keep losing their shit over.
Actually no we dont. 70% of deaths in australia occured under the "mild" omicron, campbell kept going on about. Listen to many sources, not just the ones that confirm your bias.
@@intrusivethought what bias? Life's been quite normal here in Canada and its not as bleek and dark as people like you make it seem anymore. Natural immunity + vaccinations work. We have to learn to live with this going forward
@@DDRMR life being "normal" and people getting sick and dying are completely incongruous. ". Governments have just chosen to let it rip. you have zero idea of what "people like me" even are. if you are using John Cambell as a source of information, it explains a lot.
@@intrusivethought covid death rates are currently quite low compared to the number of infections. Omicron is in fact milder than the previous variants especially if you're vaccinated. Most of us now have vax + natural immunity and a large number of hospitalizations have been situational where people in the hospital happen to have covid but aren't hospitalized because of it. What would you want as the alternative? Never-ending lockdowns? People's mental health being destroyed? Rampant drug and alcohol use to cope? People suffering financially due to not being able to work? You're either an intense pessimist in general or see the world through a very negative lens.
@@DDRMR The massive strawman of "Oh so you want endless lockdowns and suicides" is ridiculous and says a lot about your bias. There is nuance between pretending the pandemic isn't there and going for zero covid. The tragedy of people that think the way you do is that if a more virulent strain pops up, we will yet again be wholly unprepared for it. Dr Ghandi has been making incorrect predictions for pretty much the entire pandemic (watch the interview - its out there) and Campbell has been caught a number of time mis representing medical studies by some highly qualified people. The world is in a great place right now but pretending everything is fine is a fantasy.
Great show. One thing - I'm not sure how much blame can be laid at the feet of public health authorities for creating unnecessary fear. Yes, they clearly got stuff wrong. But I remember the early days of the plague. New York ran out of room for bodies, and had to create a mass grave on Hart Island. Stuff like that can be a little unnerving and a bit apocalyptic.
@@patmonahan6844 What are you even talking about man? When makeshift ICUs have to be set up in parking garages, I'd say that meets the definition of "overwhelmed."
@@alantasbler4581 Makeshift ICU's were never set up in parking garages. You are simply someone who has been programmed by a false narrative and false info. As I correctly stated, the field hospital and Naval hospital ship were basically never used. Did the hospitals get busy? Yes. Overwhelmed like never before? No. Overwhelmed more than in the last 15 years? No. Just stop People like you who are easily programmed by fear and never question your given political ideology are what is wrong with this country, and mankind in general.
The problem with people not taking the vaccines fast enough was the idea that people who were vaccinated and did not currently have covid were forced to wear a mask over a year after they were vaccinated. The masks should ahve come off and stayed off about 2 weeks after vaccination
That was an excellent analogy about expecting HIV positive people in the 80s to stop having sex (even though it bothered me personally at the time) but the public health officials continue to tell us what to do over THIS virus!? (There still is no vaccine for HIV though either, am I right? 🥺) Excellent discussion!!
LOL. Most ridiculous analogy ever. We can stop hiv transmission with a condom, and make it manageable with drugs. It was a low point of the show, for people who actually understand science
We’re @17:40, ya know what else children haven’t got enough exposure to also? Each other, society, normal human behavior. And the untold, yet to happen damage from that will likely outstrip all that has happened in the last two years.
Over 60% of human communication, incl. showing and sharing of empathy, occurs via facial expressions. It's how we've evoled; it's indigenous to our species. The masks may well have been necessary during the crisis stage of the pandemic, but living indefinitely in a masked-up world bereft of facial expressions, fearing outselves and one another as toxic, is not mentally healthy -- for children or adults -- and should not be accepted as "normal," now or in the future.
Let's hope they're right. We keep hearing these very disturbing reports of cases AND hospitalizations rising (in some places, hospitalizations are apprealty rising even faster than case). Yet at the same time, deaths seem to continuie to decline or remain steady at a very iow level (in Chicago, the rolling 7-day avg. of deaths has been
I still ware a mask in public areas where shopping especially for essentials happens. Not for me but because I also go without masking in places like small crowded music venues like bars and realise there may be people there who are worried and trying to get supplies for vulnerable people. Outside of that I am living as I was pre covid. I could understand the need for using the blunt tools of lockdowns or mask mandates during the worst of it at the start of the pandemic but now I see how we are in a different phase and the positive difference in my mental health having unfettered social contact with friends and the general public is powerful.
Good for you -- you're using your judgment and doing what feels safe for you, and you're also being considerate of others. I belive masks should be voluntary, with the caveat that if someone is high-risk (immunompromised, et al.), a good, well-fitting N95 is strongly recommended. Problem is, this issue has gottten so damn politicized that anthing except extremist virtue-signalling name-calling seems impossible. Half the world would call you a "mindless brainswashed sheep" for using a mask on occasion, and the other half would call you a narcissisitc granny-killer for not wearing one all the time.
Really enjoyed listening to these two vibrant, life-loving expert people! I am still quite concerned about Long Covid risk, as I keep hearing about and from people who seem to be struggling to recover from a covid infection and have health/athletic ability affected, and cognitive effects, despite being triple-dose vaccinated. In my country we have very high vaccination rates and very high infection rates, and many people are now on their second covid-infection, which is not necessarily milder. So it is very confusing and I will keep looking for more information before I stop being paranoid! :) It's not only hospitalisation and death that bothers me, it's long term health impacts.
I love Zman but I disagree with the initial claim. I am a health care provider and while treating patients an hour at a time I got covid 3 times. I never once got another patient sick. I believe in close quarters for short periods masks definitely make a difference.
Dr. Monica Gandi brings soooooo much to the table. DocDocGoose, hope you got that domain...great idea! Gotta get those pet glands done regularly or suffer the consequences 😕 PU!
Do that please because my daughter is a brilliant and is a medical doctor , she is beautiful and compassionate and is divorced and needs a companion too !!
She lost her husband to cancer just before the pandemic and then poured herself into her work with Covid?
What a gift to us!❤️
I had no idea she lost her husband just before COVID hit. It makes her optimism even more impressive. Much love to Dr Gandhi.
Always love seeing Monica Gandhi on the show
Every time Z has Monica on, the richness and depth of the conversation exceed that he has with any other guest--hands down. Absolutely an abundant chat today, Dr. Z. Monica rocks!
Can’t agree more she is so articulate and fabulous. I love her hair!
I agree, shes fantastic!
Dr. Gandhi is such a compelling speaker, and has been one of the few voices of reason helping people like me to navigate this madness since 2020. She has this combination of intellect, compassion, and humor that seems so rare. Given my high levels of anxiety (in the true clinical sense), if it weren't for people like ZDogg and Dr. Gandhi, I'd still be locked in my house. Thanks, y'all, seriously.
Same here. I’ve tried to block out any and all Covid news and only listened to her (and z’s) guidance.
@@lcn706 I am interested in seeing what people on the other side of the debate are saying, but it feels like we're in parallel universes. I've more recently discovered people like Lucy McBride, too, who has been quite helpful.
She is one of my favorites! Her style resonates honest scientific expetise that is l delivered from a point of knowledge. Dr. Z brings out the best of his guest/friends. Thank you!
I love her. Best doctor on this topic. Explains things so clearly and factually without being dismissive of either side. We need more of this. Can we have a Zdogg/Gandhi show regularly?
This is making me so emotional; you two saved my life during the pandemic. Your logical, impassioned, data-driven, and common sense discussions around immunology and public health approaches, grounded me in a unique way. Thank you so so so much.
Me to Juju. In a world gone mad, these two are an oasis of calm and sanity.
Same here.
Imagine believing this bs
@@stn7172 ?
I agree, I have enjoyed their non alarmist factual conversations throughout.
What a pleasure to hear from Monica again. As always she is so comprehensive, research based, human and reassuring. She has emerged as an immunology, public health treasure.
Monica Gandhi the best. I am ambivalent about mask mandate but her informed consent choice to people makes so much more sense for public health
Love the call she took from her kids - sounded like she was talking to an adult. Respect 👍 and bonus points for being avid readers!
I adore her. Maybe don’t agree with every single thing she thinks but she is amazing and should replace Fauci.
Long time since i stopped watching COVID 19 updates, I agree!!! media only alarm don't inform.
I love watching Dr Monica, she is so good at explaining and Dr ZDogg at interviewing.
Great conversation and messaging! So good that you got her back on your channel! She's a great professional and a sweetheart ❤ Thanks for sharing her love and wisdom!
I really enjoy everyone that you have on your show, but there’s just something extra special about Monica. Her passion and compassion just penetrates through my heart ♥️
Dr. Ghandi is awesome. She is one of the best COVID experts we have
I currently tested positive for Covid. First time in the pandemic. I am vaccinated and boosted and my symptoms are mild. It was great to hear these experts speak about how to live with Covid, especially since we have 3 kiddos a toddler, kindergartner and soon to be high schooler. Thanks for giving us an update on Covid. I feel much better and now have a deeper understanding on how to live with Covid.
I’m currently positive for Covid as well and only have a slight cough and had mild fever for two days, but still testing positive on RAT. No vaccines.
@@Vanessa-jy4ky glad you are doing well! These new variants are different so mild symptoms not are surprising for vaccinated peeps. We are a house of 5 and only 2 of us are positive and have mild symptoms. It is interesting how Covid effects people differently.
@@lizab8400 Yes, it’s strange isn’t it. My daughter and I both came down mildly ill and my unvaxed husband has tested negative the whole time. We’ve all just woken up with this morning with a mild cold which is strange since two of us are still getting over COVID and now a cold on top of it all. Hope you and your family feel better, soon.
Such a great conversation. Really appreciate the compassion Dr. Gandhi speaks with while delivering the facts with all their nuance in application.
So glad to see her back!! I love Monica. She is and has been willing to be honest and also admit when communication needs to change.
Awesome that she answered a call from her children! She gets it!!
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Topics & Timecodes
00:00 Intro, mask mandates, individual control & benefits of one-way masking
05:22 Long COVID, innate vs adaptive immunity, seroprevalence among varying age groups
10:27 Vaccine protection against severe COVID, natural immunity, media catastrophizing, animal reservoirs & endemicity
15:23 Hepatitis outbreak in children, did pandemic sheltering weaken our kids' immune responses, masking children & the precautionary principle
20:00 Creating an endpoint, the purpose of non-pharmaceutical interventions, hospitalizations with COVID vs. for COVID, death rate as a key metric
23:53 Hybrid immunity, Omicron as the great equalizer, CDC messaging & it's role in terrifying the vaccinated & convincing the unvaccinated that vaccines don't work
31:49 Covaxin vs Sinovac, India vs. China, downstream effects of lockdowns, excess deaths
40:32 Age-based risk stratification, immune response in children, what a "mild" case of Omicron looks like, Paxlovid & other therapeutics
46:10 Omicron mutations & why they point to approaching endemicity, public & mental health strategies
49:38 The value of holistic treatment, right brain vs. left brain, reductionism, importance of recognizing the many tools we have to combat COVID
59:32 What's next for Monica, why docs suck at talking about risk, final thoughts
I don't think it's fair that the US FDA is stalling on the traditional protein base Novavax when every other country in the world has approved... like it or not many people are scared of the RNA vaccines because of all the reporting of strokes, blood clots, cancer and things that are happening to people that are getting the RNA.... at least approve Novavax to give the hesitant an option that they may trust more...
@@williamparks867 because a bunch of unvaccinated men my age in my city died of covid this past December and January... but I also know some people who have heart problems since getting their vaccine... I have never been more torn then I am now
what a pleasure. highly enjoyable. =)
-JC
@@JCResDoc94 what the hell are you talking about?
Something REALLY weird has been going on, my mom tested positive and I tested negative and we're both sick with something
We got infected in different places so I don't believe it's a false negative
She somehow is not spreading covid to me even though we're not isolated
(I mean, of course we won't leave the house but she's not isolating herself from me)
I think it's because of my hybrid immunity and the thing you said a year ago, viral interference
How sad was the aggressive level of shaming if one didn’t even wear a mask outside with tons of space between them & other people? Lots of apologies should be happening right now.
boo hoo! 🙃
@@MiqelDotCom um yeah totally man
Dr. Gandhi is absolutely lovely and brilliant! Thank you both!
I love it when you have Dr. Monica Gandhi on. I love her balanced approach to Covid and to medical conditions in general. She is such a gracious humble incredibly intellectual woman.
You guys made me want to cry such calm sound compassion with reason. None of which seem to be a common thing in media or people giving information about covid as a mom its so nice to feel like there are a few people you can listen to and maybe even trust 😉
Outstanding conversation. Maybe another issue to discuss is the fact that society has trended toward having the attention span of gnats…which sadly precludes so many people from ever hearing this conversation (or any other in-depth, nuanced exploration).
Monica, you are always a breath of fresh. aur and voice of reason,
Best wishes for your family journey to India Dr. Gandhi. I'm sorry for your loss ❤️
Thank you for this. I appreciate hearing from Dr. Ghandhi any time. She always seems calm and smart and not full of shit and that is just so refreshing nowadays.
This is exactly the information I’ve been looking for: How do we live with Covid? What should we be afraid of, if anything. And how do we take the correct precautions to avoid getting sick. Thank you Dr. Monica.
Love it when you have Monica on. She’s the best.
It's such a pleasure to watch you both talk..Specially talking on Covid,the monster,and you could be pleasant,sooths one's heart ...Thank you both..
I absolutely love her! What a kind, lovely, factual woman she is. She’s just brilliant and what a better world we’d live in if she were in charge of public health.
How in the world did so many physicians allow politics to trump common sense? I think many were afraid to speak up.
I'm a monitor tech in ICU and I'm so ready to not have to wear a mask when I walk in the door. We've only had 2 COVID cases in our ICU for the last month.
I teach (at the community college level) in Chicago, and I will testify 100% that not being able to know what anyone looks like or share everyday empathy and warmth through facial expressions takes the joy, heart, & soul out of teaching. What kind of "future" are we preparing these young people for -- a future of skulking around foreve behind masks in a world devoid of facial expression, fearing ourselves and one another as toxic? I can't abide being complicit in that -- I''l retire first (which I fear I'll have to do at the end of this next Fall semester).
I do have to ask, though -- where are you? I'm reading some pretty ominous stories about the current surge, its effect on some hospitals (some in upstate NY have begun to curtail non-emergent serrices again, and waiting times are getting longer), and how it's predicted to blanket the country within a few weeks. A lot of people are predicting another "COVID Summer" for the US.
Masks will never go away in hospitals
I feel the same. I appreciate this podcast for the expertise and spirit of both Dr Z and Dr Gandhi. But, please stop forgetting about all of us healthcare facility workers that have wearing masks non-stop for almost two and a half years. How do WE move forward? If the evidence shows no difference between communities with mask mandates and those without, what does the body of evidence show regarding universal masking in healthcare facilities?
@@brendaryder7363 Surgical masks, of course, are designed to block larger droplets -- blood, saliva, etc. -- but they do little if anything to filter out airborne viral pathogens. I'm not a medical professional, but my guess is that people working in healthcare settings will probably still be advised to use surgical masks in situations where it's always been considered necessary. I'm hoping, though, that for standard patient-practitioner encounters, where face-to-face empathy is such a vital component, masks won't be required unless (of course) the patient is showing symptoms of illness (be it COVID or otherwise). Floor nurses who aren't working in a COVID unit or the ICU? That;s a tough one, because at least in theory, even if they were asymptomatic, they could still infect patients. ( I must say, though, that some nurses I know are so used to wearing masks that they're literally afraid to take them off in any public settings, not just at work.) I'm also wondering what the requirements will be for people (friends, family members, etc.) who are visiting the hospital. It's amazing to realize that until two years ago, people strolled down hospital corridors and visited rooms without even thinking about wearing a mask, unless it was a particularly high-risk situation. I don't ever remember a nurse or a doctor visitng my room in a hospital, wearing a mask. And sharing those smiles was a healing thing, in and of itself!!
LOVE when Monica comes on your show - more please!
Totally respect both of you- Thank you for sharing your information and insight - Love from South Africa 🇿🇦
I'm glad we can come here to listen to voices of reason and common sense unlike the charlatans in the media and politicians, thank you for bringing sanity to this issue
Thank you both! 🙏🙏it’s such a joy to see Monica again! You have influenced my thinking about Covid more than anyone and helped keep my anxiety down. I so appreciate all the knowledge and insight you share. It’s made a big difference for me and for many others. I love the comment about the prom and girls wearing 💄💄!
I really needed this! here in Quebec we've lifted the mask mandate, it's good to have someone like Monica tell us ça va bien aller. :)
Ontario here and we are a real world study of mandates vs no mandates. Our cases based wastewater has been essentially the same (granted tons of folks still masking)
I agree! I was really scared the first weekend without masks here in Quebec but this chat made me feel considerably better. It IS time to get back to our lives now and live with this as it’s not going anywhere.
Can we get Monica, Paul Offit and Vinay on the show at the same time please?!
YES!
I dodged Covid for two years, nursing on a Covid unit. Now I’m having to isolate at home and work is pissed. 😅
At the 17 minute mark, you talk about the danger of keeping kids away from dirt and germs and pathogens. That's EXACTLY what those Bakersfield doctors said back in - what was it - April or May 2020 - and you mocked them. They were arguing against lockdowns. They made so many great points that have proven to be true. I love you and your show, but really u owe them an apology for disrespecting their ideas, which you are now supporting. This is a perfect example of that.
Perfection! Everything I wish I could recite when I overhear someone at work say something so wrong and everyone else agrees. Errr!
Good thing you both advocated for all those mandates. Saved so many lives
Amazing person. Loved that she kept refering to 'uk and Europe' as separate entities !!!!
Thanks for another great show, Zubin and Monica. And Monica...I wish you the very best as you enter the next phase of your life. Blessings to you!
I love this woman. She should replace R. Wollenski
absolutely love these conversations. i have learned a lot from this channel. thank you z and monica!
Love Dr Monica she is fantastic!! Brilliant !!
Dr. Gandhi is amazing! I would love to hear more conversations with her and free range parenting.
CDC is a Comedy of Errors
God Bless her!
Long term symptoms here. I feel like long covid was sort of glossed over like it was a simple solution. If that’s the case, why are there so many of us, desperate and still sick? I know vaccinated people with long covid as well. Us with long covid are very afraid of reinfection because in some of us- it makes our illness way worse. Or in people who have recovered, they relapse.
How are we who are chronically sick just supposed to live with it? Vaccine made the symptoms much much worse in my case. Afraid of getting a booster because of that.
Dr Gandhi,
I'm sorry for your loss.
Isn’t she just delightful? There’s a very lucky man in her future.
Wtf?, a cellphone call in the middle of a podcast. Now I’ve seen everything
So glad you read McGilchrist's The Master and his Emissary! A magisterial tour-de-force! Fantastic someone like you read what is easily one of the most important works of the 21st century.
I am concerned that all these forced vaccinations for young low risk people are going to cause serious cardiovascular problems in the future.
I just love you two together! Hearts of gold! Xxx
Such a great talk! I'm so grateful to you all for the information you have all given to get me through this crazy time.
So grateful for another informative and excellent conversation. Thank you Drs. Gandhi and Damania.
She seems superb. Great guest.
A very well balanced discussion. It's nice to hear.
Once again sane comments in an insane world. Thank you!!
Such a great conversation! I always feel better about the pandemic after listening to you and Monica. Thank you!!!
Yesss Monica, lipstick is really important. In my country I still need to wear a mask and I suffer because I can’t wear makeup. I know this sounds so trivial but it’s part of my mental health. Glad someone relates.
Dr. Gandhi is the best.
Brilliant all Dr ZZ !! Thank you !❤️
Loved this episode. Dr Ghandi is awesome. You should interview Professor Emily Oster for a discussion on doctors and assessing risk
She is my favorite person to listen to 😁
My sister and her husband (Michigan) are both triple vaccinated and in their second week of pretty severe Covid. Both say it is the worst virus they have ever experienced. My sister was running a fever of 103.8 the first week. Now they are both suffering from severe fatigue with hoarseness and a bad cough. She is 73 and he is 84. My Aunt and Uncle who are older got it around the same time and had much less severe symptoms. My Uncle said it felt like the flu and my Aunt only lost her smell and taste and that is returning. My niece who has never been vaccinated, caught Covid last year and is suffering from long haul syndrome.
Love love love listening to these videos
I wish more people would listen to people like Gandhi and Dr Campbell. They've been so much more down to earth and realistic about everything compared to all the constant media fearmongering Redditors keep losing their shit over.
Actually no we dont. 70% of deaths in australia occured under the "mild" omicron, campbell kept going on about. Listen to many sources, not just the ones that confirm your bias.
@@intrusivethought what bias? Life's been quite normal here in Canada and its not as bleek and dark as people like you make it seem anymore.
Natural immunity + vaccinations work. We have to learn to live with this going forward
@@DDRMR life being "normal" and people getting sick and dying are completely incongruous. ". Governments have just chosen to let it rip. you have zero idea of what "people like me" even are. if you are using John Cambell as a source of information, it explains a lot.
@@intrusivethought covid death rates are currently quite low compared to the number of infections. Omicron is in fact milder than the previous variants especially if you're vaccinated. Most of us now have vax + natural immunity and a large number of hospitalizations have been situational where people in the hospital happen to have covid but aren't hospitalized because of it.
What would you want as the alternative? Never-ending lockdowns? People's mental health being destroyed? Rampant drug and alcohol use to cope? People suffering financially due to not being able to work?
You're either an intense pessimist in general or see the world through a very negative lens.
@@DDRMR The massive strawman of "Oh so you want endless lockdowns and suicides" is ridiculous and says a lot about your bias. There is nuance between pretending the pandemic isn't there and going for zero covid.
The tragedy of people that think the way you do is that if a more virulent strain pops up, we will yet again be wholly unprepared for it. Dr Ghandi has been making incorrect predictions for pretty much the entire pandemic (watch the interview - its out there) and Campbell has been caught a number of time mis representing medical studies by some highly qualified people. The world is in a great place right now but pretending everything is fine is a fantasy.
I almost fell out of my chair when she casually mentioned the waste water data.
Dr. Gandhi has a nice way about her. She’s a lovely speaker. Not sure why she supports vaccinating youth however.
These conversations are so helpful 🌹💫🙏🏼🌟
Great show. One thing - I'm not sure how much blame can be laid at the feet of public health authorities for creating unnecessary fear. Yes, they clearly got stuff wrong. But I remember the early days of the plague. New York ran out of room for bodies, and had to create a mass grave on Hart Island. Stuff like that can be a little unnerving and a bit apocalyptic.
NY hospitals were never overwhelmed.
The field hospital and Navy Hospital ship were basically never used.
@@patmonahan6844 What are you even talking about man? When makeshift ICUs have to be set up in parking garages, I'd say that meets the definition of "overwhelmed."
@@alantasbler4581 Makeshift ICU's were never set up in parking garages. You are simply someone who has been programmed by a false narrative and false info. As I correctly stated, the field hospital and Naval hospital ship were basically never used. Did the hospitals get busy? Yes. Overwhelmed like never before? No. Overwhelmed more than in the last 15 years? No.
Just stop
People like you who are easily programmed by fear and never question your given political ideology are what is wrong with this country, and mankind in general.
Get that woman a guy Dr. Z!!! Loved this whole interview.
Excellent discussion. Thank you.
Doc, doc GOOSE! YES! 🤣
What a wonderful, wonderful podcast. Thank you both.
Thank you!!
The problem with people not taking the vaccines fast enough was the idea that people who were vaccinated and did not currently have covid were forced to wear a mask over a year after they were vaccinated. The masks should ahve come off and stayed off about 2 weeks after vaccination
That was an excellent analogy about expecting HIV positive people in the 80s to stop having sex (even though it bothered me personally at the time) but the public health officials continue to tell us what to do over THIS virus!? (There still is no vaccine for HIV though either, am I right? 🥺) Excellent discussion!!
LOL. Most ridiculous analogy ever. We can stop hiv transmission with a condom, and make it manageable with drugs. It was a low point of the show, for people who actually understand science
The indian vaccine I want is the one Bharat Biotech is making that's a nasal vaccine that stimulates mucosal immunity
Love Dr. Monica!!!! You too Z 😉
All of a sudden I’m one of those people that “get their facts” on UA-cam because I am trying to break the Covidian mindset. The trench runs deep.
We’re @17:40, ya know what else children haven’t got enough exposure to also? Each other, society, normal human behavior. And the untold, yet to happen damage from that will likely outstrip all that has happened in the last two years.
Over 60% of human communication, incl. showing and sharing of empathy, occurs via facial expressions. It's how we've evoled; it's indigenous to our species. The masks may well have been necessary during the crisis stage of the pandemic, but living indefinitely in a masked-up world bereft of facial expressions, fearing outselves and one another as toxic, is not mentally healthy -- for children or adults -- and should not be accepted as "normal," now or in the future.
Let's hope they're right. We keep hearing these very disturbing reports of cases AND hospitalizations rising (in some places, hospitalizations are apprealty rising even faster than case). Yet at the same time, deaths seem to continuie to decline or remain steady at a very iow level (in Chicago, the rolling 7-day avg. of deaths has been
Have you seen this new information coming out about Pfizer vaccines safety issues and coverup????
So great!!!!
I still ware a mask in public areas where shopping especially for essentials happens. Not for me but because I also go without masking in places like small crowded music venues like bars and realise there may be people there who are worried and trying to get supplies for vulnerable people. Outside of that I am living as I was pre covid. I could understand the need for using the blunt tools of lockdowns or mask mandates during the worst of it at the start of the pandemic but now I see how we are in a different phase and the positive difference in my mental health having unfettered social contact with friends and the general public is powerful.
Good for you -- you're using your judgment and doing what feels safe for you, and you're also being considerate of others. I belive masks should be voluntary, with the caveat that if someone is high-risk (immunompromised, et al.), a good, well-fitting N95 is strongly recommended. Problem is, this issue has gottten so damn politicized that anthing except extremist virtue-signalling name-calling seems impossible. Half the world would call you a "mindless brainswashed sheep" for using a mask on occasion, and the other half would call you a narcissisitc granny-killer for not wearing one all the time.
Really enjoyed listening to these two vibrant, life-loving expert people! I am still quite concerned about Long Covid risk, as I keep hearing about and from people who seem to be struggling to recover from a covid infection and have health/athletic ability affected, and cognitive effects, despite being triple-dose vaccinated. In my country we have very high vaccination rates and very high infection rates, and many people are now on their second covid-infection, which is not necessarily milder. So it is very confusing and I will keep looking for more information before I stop being paranoid! :) It's not only hospitalisation and death that bothers me, it's long term health impacts.
ghandi is great loved the video couldn't agree more
I love Zman but I disagree with the initial claim. I am a health care provider and while treating patients an hour at a time I got covid 3 times. I never once got another patient sick. I believe in close quarters for short periods masks definitely make a difference.
forcing and mandating 2 year olds to wear a mask should be illegal.
I realized I have no pimple on my chin when I mask up. That's why I'm still wearing it. I love Monica Gandhi.
Probably because you’re not directly touching your face as much with your greasy hands
It should be individual choice from the beginning. Prob would have less fighting and more cooperation that way anyhow
With mandates, you need strong evidence for your claim. We never had that, so mandating mask wearing for covid was illegitimate.
god i could not agree with her more thats EXACTLY how my husband and i feel right now..27:22
Dr. Monica Gandi brings soooooo much to the table.
DocDocGoose, hope you got that domain...great idea!
Gotta get those pet glands done regularly or suffer the consequences 😕 PU!
Do that please because my daughter is a brilliant and is a medical doctor , she is beautiful and compassionate and is divorced and needs a companion too !!