Because we’ve woken up to the $cience that has been censoring all the opposition and maliciously maligning, threatening, damaging and destroying the careers and reputations of the real scientists who are not in lockstep with the $afe and Effective” $cientists.
I have a MPH, and am a clinician.. I believe the distrust really came to fruition when people were forced to receive the vaccine. Those of us who understand science, understood that the COVID-19 vaccine had not been properly studied due to the sense of urgency. It is difficult to be forced to lose your right to choose … or lose your ability to support your family.
The force was imposed by the individual employers, who in most cases have at-will termination clauses in their employment policies. Why are they not to blame?
Mrna isn't a vaccine. Our wonderful health system continues to go blindly along endorsing and profiting hugely off a needy public. Bobby makes sense. You guys dont
Thank Dr. Zdogg! I've been following Dr. John Campbell, all the way from the beginning, as well as a lot of your coverage. He was a strong proponent of vacation as well as I. He has slowly been disappointed as the papers coming out have been alarming to me. He has interviewed well credentialed virologest research erst, M.D.s that have expressed concerns. He has gone so far as claiming we couldn't have informed consent because of information that has been hidden and otherwise misrepresented. He did have a video I watched where he read from medical research papers being pear reviewed and had the video removed and given a strike on FB. If we can't be informed, how can we make informed consent? As far as your guest on this program I was disappointed to hear him misrepresent JFKjr. On Les Friedman show that I also watched. I'm trying to get fair information. I guess we are all humans and tend to hear what we want to hear. I enjoy your programs, but I don't think I can give this guy credibility as he seems not able to relay correctly what has been said.
Don't you remember what the Phizer lady said? They didn't have time to test the vaccine to see if it stops transmission Because they were moving at the speed of science!
ZDogg, I know you're going to get SO much hate for this video, so hoping to add my tiny vote for loving this video and the conversation had between you gentlemen. If all scientists had your communication skills, we'd be better for it. Both of you keep up the great work and ignore the haters! ❤❤❤❤
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Only 15 minutes in and while I deeply respect you both, I have some critiques. My understanding is that RFK Jr never claimed that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. It's definitely inaccurate to state he claimed that covid was engineered to spare certain ethnicities. He was literally discussing the findings of a study about genetic variances and statistical impact of covid based on variations in ACE-2 receptors. He stated that "there's a theory" that the virus was engineered. Furthermore, it's at least as likely at this point that covid came from a lab as opposed to natural animal spillover. I thought you were aware of this, Z? Are you not pushing back harder out of deference, or have you really not read the non-conspiracy-based deeper discussions of all of this? Maybe Dr. Offit was too busy reading the vaccine studies and just went with the false MSM accounts of what RFK Jr purportedly claimed? I'm not a fan of RFK Jr for a few reasons, chiefly his backing of Israel as it commits genocide of Palestinians. Yet we need to at least get the facts correct regarding what RFK Jr did or did not claim. Regarding his suspicions about several vaccines, I have heard him admit that he doesn't know all the answers and that he favors better studies. Also, wondering what Dr. Offit thinks of the law exempting pharmaceutical companies from liability for harm caused by vaccines. Necessary to incentivize vaccine development?
there's literally video of RFKjr saying that HIV is merely a passenger virus, but that it's not a cause of AIDS. And that the people who died of AIDS died because they were "addicted to poppers" and part of a "gay lifestyle." He said Fauci said it was an infectious disease because he won a "power struggle" over that question, which allowed Fauci to "take control." So..how do you think people who have AIDS, who have *managed* it with anti-viral medications/protocols..would react to this theory? RFK jr does not care about the truth. He consistently gravitates towards any theory that says the real truth is being hidden; but he is not engaged in an honest good faith discussion about what the truth actually is. (I would put the link to the video here, but I think youtube doesn't always allow links in comments. Google the Advocate magazine article on RFK jr and AIDS. They link to the video.) And, as for SARS cov 2 being engineered -- yes, there are people out there saying that's what happened (there was even a NYT op-ed on this), but there are also many experts in the field who have responded to each of the claims behind the engineering theory, many, many times. While I myself am not an expert, I've seen and read enough to see that evidence for the lab-leak/engineered theory has been responded to; while the evidence behind the Wuhan Market (including that there were two separate lineages) has *not* been responded to by lab-leak proponents.
@@aikoshimada3167Look into this more. RFK Jr. backed Wakefields BS study and definitely denied that HIV is a vector to the AIDS virus - all in an attempt to throw shade at Fauchi. He's completely a science denier.
I was pregnant at the time the Covid vaccines were filled out and I didn’t just take the internet’s word as research. I discussed it with my OBGYN and thankfully he cautioned me against the vaccine. I’m so thankful for him because he was one of the few cautionary voices.
Thank your lucky stars you didn’t take it when you were pregnant! I have a friend who got breast cancer a few months after taking that shot. She has just gone through chemotherapy. I haven’t told her it has been associated with increased cancers coined as Turbo cancers. She still believes they are “safe and effective“. I’m 78, I’ve always used naturopathy and supported and trained my immune system over the years. I’ve been exposed to Covid several times and used ivermectin and other protocols of the FLCCC successfully.
@@lisaorr6647I pushed back on our dr pressuring my wife to get Covid vax when pregnant. She was so pissed. I remember be shocked, it seemed so immature of her.
That is why I think this is all just a bunch of hoopla. Everything about dRumpf is about money. So how is RFK going to make money for big business by promoting real food and no vaccines?? WTF? It doesn't fit with this administration. I just think we need FREEDOM of choice.
I think the bias of personal opinions comes through on this. It doesn't feel like this was a truly honest conversation, that said, we are all human and I can understand why it would be so difficult to remove the personal feelings of previous bad interactions with a person. But the really concerning part is that these 2 placed a lot of trust in the media reporting of RFK Jr, and not a lot of source information was brought in. After listening, the conversation actually made me distrust Zubin and Offit because it felt so personal. Actual verbatim quote from RFK Jr? "People say I am anti-vaccine because they don't want to have the argument with me about how to improve vaccines. I'm not anti-vaccine, I believe we should have safe vaccines and I believe we should have robust science. and I believe we should have independent regulators who are not financially tied to the companies that are making our vaccines." He went on to critique the amount and scheduling of the vaccines, which, when the US doesn't have robust evidence to support our own vaccine schedule, that's NOT a wildly inflammatory stance. Developed countries all over the world give far fewer vaccines than the US, no one seems to question their "anti-vax" status. His stance appears to be that no one has done the due diligence to prove safety, if safety hasn't been proved then they can't be deemed "safe". I am sure there are plenty of critiques of RFK Jr, but I didn't hear any good ones in this episode, sadly.
Listen to what RFK says I don’t think we need the media - what he says is enough. Also, Paul specifically cites a personal 1:1 conversation with RFK, not the media but direct interaction.
JFK Jr doesn't understand the definition of & criteria used to declare a vaccine safe & effective & why! He knows law not statistics, epidemiology & science.
@@seanmcne LOL you mean a conversation from 20 years ago? That's what he said, 20 YEARS AGO. That's what I should trust here? Second hand hearsay from someone who is what, 65+ years old, who is clearly biased, and the conversation is from 20 years ago? It is clear, people like you, haven't actually listened to a single podcast or long form interview with RFK on any of these topics. Thanks for your opinion though, we will all take it into account.
the reality is that RFK has some good ideas and a whole load of really bad ones.....extra concerning is that he has contradicted himself several times and denied things he has said in the past, which makes him unpredictable.
What I observe is a profound exchange between two highly accomplished doctors, each deeply passionate about knowledge and understanding. There is a palpable sense of mutual respect for each other's achievements, coupled with an underlying tension-a subtle fear, perhaps-that an individual like Kennedy might wield a greater influence over the public discourse. This interplay of admiration and apprehension highlights the complexity of their interaction, driven by both intellectual curiosity and the acknowledgment of the power of public perception. The essence of this lies in recognizing that if something holds significance for you, then pursue it wholeheartedly. However, it is essential to accept that what holds meaning for one person may be inconsequential to another, and this divergence in values should not become a source of frustration. For the rest of the folks, don't be mean to Offit. He is actually one of better American citizens. This was worth watching.
Did you agree with those proposals when Michelle Obama made them? I know that she received a bunch of pushback from the very same people who are supporting RFK in the present matter. It appears we are generally in agreement. His views on medicine are terrifying, but his fews on healthy food are justified. I think RFK truly means well. He just seems to misplace his focus and fall down rabbit holes.
RFK Jr. is spreading misinformation, and we shouldn’t sugarcoat that. His understanding of food science is rudimentary at best. While banning ultra-processed foods isn’t necessary, implementing stricter regulations and guidelines is crucial. We can’t outright ban sugar and salt, but we can enforce stringent industry standards to reduce their levels. His comparisons of food additives between countries only add to the confusion. Just because one country bans an additive doesn’t mean it’s inherently harmful. He lacks a clear understanding of the science and fails to communicate the actual content effectively.
Doctor ZI am so confused. I listened to you for years since COVID and while I disagreed with you on a lot. I agreed with you on a lot. And I always appreciated your open and honest and unbiased opinions, and I line with you medically speaking in many ways, and then when I found out you were on the meditation journey, I was I was really excited and knew that you were on to something, but I don't know, man, this pool guy, he's lost and he's in denial, and I think he has the liberal derangement syndrome. There is something very, very off about him, and yes, I'm an experienced d meditator and I'm very much in tune with my intuition. And saying that this COVID vaccine is safe for kids. There's so many other things. He said that are just wrong, like he's still trying to say. The COVID came from animals when we know this isn't true when the evidence is absolutely undeniable. I don't know. I think you need to rethink this man or i'm wondering who's paying you off doctor z. I will add, I realize that he is a "-un". Respected scientist but the dark side has gotten a hold of him.I can see right through him. I'm so irritated by this person, peace out
He loses a ton of credibility by arguing for the racoon dog origin theory. That to me shows he's defaulting to the institutional messaging rather than honestly assessing the available data.
Great conversation. Unfortunately, the humble honesty of great docs like Offit will never beat the confident bullshit and lies of people like RFK Jr in the public square. To the uninitiated, it is easy to trust the latter while thinking the former is just a nerd.
On Covid and Ashkenazi Jews, Dr. Offit is following the out of context MSNBC lie, which I have watched RFK mention in context. In fact, what I have heard RFK say with my own ears over the past year isn't the RFK you guys are discussing. I still love you!
Please share the lie, anyone thinking the vaccine was never sold as preventing infection did not understand. It prevented hospitalization and after the vaccine was deployed death rates dropped significantly. RFK JR is a total idiot. Oz was documented that his show promoted pseudo science and unproven treatment 60% of the time on his show, he is an entertainer and trained as a surgeon. Never trust a surgeon without 3 different opinions
Thank you! I have also seen RFK Jr discuss this and when you see the whole clip and know that it was a journal article and he wasn’t making that announcement just discussing the article. It was taken out of context and used to try and discredit Kennedy. Besides, he was at a dinner party, just discussing it with a few of his friends. He had no idea someone was filming it.
@@gaylemuir1634RFK JR was clearly ruminating and speaking off the cuff at that dinner and he was not expressing his own view, but rather expressing their reviews out there that espoused that particular theory, not his own. These two clowns are simply parroting MSNBC talking points
Wrong … it was captured on a leaked videotape obtained by the NY Post. MSNBC had nothing to do with it. It was RFK Jr’s own words. “COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
@@roberto_campif RFK Jr gets put in a position of authority, he needs to knock of doing his “just throwing this out there”-style of planting ideas in people’s heads so he can later deny he claimed them.
Lastly, Paul Offit talking about transparency….had we been transparent and said yeah we were wrong. How would people respond to that by not trusting us anymore? So….pharmaceutical companies can’t be sued for vaccine injuries, and you are promoting you shouldn’t be transparent because of the risk losing trust….what are we talking about. Make that make sense. Z, how do you not stop him right there. The US is supposed to be transparent to their people. This conversation is eroding what the US is suppose to be about.
Paul was not working for NIH he had funding from them, regardless he’s got a spine and a solid head on him and a true man of science. Look at his background and what he did and said over the pandemic - he’s got a track record and it’s nothing to be ashamed of. We need more guys and gals like Paul around, period.
@seanmcne what a the difference between getting funding and working for. You know Bill Gates funded near every university worldwide and most provided the science as in computer modeling. Which was exaggerated and put us in lockdown. If this guy still believes Covid started in the wet market in sure he believes the twin towers collapsed by the jets
He definitely mentioned natural immunity and how it likely provided a broader immunity. He also talked about the many mistakes in public health communication. If you're feeling open-minded, listen to the whole episode, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised and may even soften your stance on a strongly held opinion or two.
Thank you for this information. Some of what you both said reminds me of how my mom always said that this is why they call it “practicing “ medicine. Always learning and changing.
Are you saying You know the truth? And, if so what do you believe it is and can you back it up? Honestly, not judging, but what I hear in this statement is that you think You know something these men don't, can you clarify?
“Who in their right mind would argue that.” That’s a statement of manipulation at its finest. I’d bet that RFK (not JFK) is human like the rest of us - right sometimes and wrong sometimes. And he has a preponderance of anti-vaccine statements that are on the record. However that’s not mutually exclusive with also being for accountability and liability when one is injured. False dichotomy. I’m looking forward to a more nuanced, evidenced based discussion where he changes his mind, at least on the measles vaccine. Feel free to bring the specifics with receipts to the comments rather than BS statements that anyone who would disagree with your declarative statement must be mentally ill. That’s some serious hubris there.
He's fooling you with plausible deniability because he's charismatic and trained at convincing people in court. Look into his past concerns about certain vaccines and how they have changed over time. His goal post moves. He's demanding perfection from something that can never be perfect. Anything with an effect will have a potential side effect, and because of this, he can always claim dissatisfaction with current vaccines while still claiming he's simply for safer vaccines. You end up looking like the crazy person if you're against him because who would be against safer vaccines? But he's doing his lawyer thing, don't let yourself be swayed by it, interrogate his opinions in the same way you would someone less famous.
I’m a fan of informed consent. Mandates are a bad idea. Transparency is always good. You are a scientist, not a marketer. The peasants can handle nuance better than you think. Raccoon dogs? Really? Clearly that’s outside his area of expertise. Of the mandate-loving scientists, Paul Offit is a lot better than Peter Hotez. Philip Krause is the best of the bunch. Clearly, previous infection should have been appropriate for all of the front-line nurses and doctors who we put in harm’s way during the height of the pandemic and then fired when they refused a vaccine because they already had natural immunity (or whatever marketing term you want to use). I know Z-Dogg hates anti-vaxxers with a passion…. But bodily autonomy is important. The CDC presented papers to back perspectives that don’t make sense… like that the vaccine was better than natural immunity, which flies in the face of what we have learned so far about immunology. The CDC would make pronouncements and then go in after the fact and support these pronouncements with low quality evidence and for people like me who actually follow this, it erodes faith. Sorry that you had to get the science wrong to make a clearer message, but you eroded my trust in public health in the process. That won’t come back overnight.
he is literally an anti vax science denier. He got 80 kids killed in Samoa by convincing their parents not to vaccinate them (and we're not talking about the COVID vaccine).
They literally provided examples of RFK refusing to acknowledge the facts around thimerosal here! The reality is RFK is part of the demagoguery cartel that functions by destroying trust in our institutions with disinformation and attempting exploit the vacuum in trust to usurp power. Trump showed the way and MAGA is refining it. To believe RFK is to be a science denier.
Dr. Offit at 46 minutes you talk about the vote for natural infection "survival induced immunity". In mid March of 2020, early in the pandemic, I had a bad case of covid. I had always believed in vaccines, and had both of my sons vaccinated fully. When the vaccine came out I wanted nothing to do with it, the thought of putting anything relating to covid virus in my body felt deeply wrong to me. A few people , including Dr. Monica Ghandi, took the stance of natural immunity, but family denounced me as an "anti vaxxer ", and continued to push me to get the vaccine. I just needed more time to recover , but because so many people in the mainstream did not speak up publicly, I was more or less disowned by my family. Then we were forced to to get both of my sons (18 and 20) vaccines to stay in college. You make a lot of sense, but I lost so much trust that it opened me up to listening to people such as RFK. I think you failed people , because you and your commity did not speak up. That is also lying in my eyes, you knew something and didn't say it, which makes you equally responsible in my eyes. I believe your intentions are good, but to me RFK has good intentions also. Why did your commity lie to us?
This is video, unfortunately, made me unsubscribe from ZD. The reason our kids get more vaccines than kids in any other country, eat morning cereal with clormequeat, and have the highest under 5 mortality because researchers stopped being independent and became puppets of pharma. Why do you think “your science” is better than “RFK Jr.’s science”? Zdogg behaved as if he hoped Dr. O would get him a contract with Merck. This discussion is the reason people stopped ‘trusting the science’.
@Dietcheesey Indeed, this highlights how parents often make decisions based on emotions rather than empirical evidence. Skeptics exploit this tendency, understanding that parents are more likely to respond to fear rather than logic.
You are repeating lies! That is not what he said about the Chinese and the Jews at all. It’s a talking point for the mainstream media. Maybe quit using repeater memes as fact??
Kennedy said at press event last year in a video posted by the New York Post that “Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
He said that Covid is less likely to be harmful (or is likely to cause less harm) for Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews. Then he pointed to a published paper he got that from. But he seriously misrepresented what the paper said. This is what he does - he finds something with a kernel of truth, and he twists it.
@@thesagetraveler7649 It was a perfect provable answer. He said RFK makes shit up. He gives the papers author and the title saying what RFK claimed wasn't in the paper. Now if you were to read the paper and find It was actually Offit lying you'd then have a point.
@@kevinscott9745but he agreed with Vinay's viewpoints on RFKJ on the VPZD show. VP is much less critical and or seems supportive of some of RFKJ ideas
How about Dr Vinay Prasad for secretary of HHS? He is brilliant, superbly informed professionally in medical and adjacent fields, and his heart is in a right place- just a gem from any standpoint Shell we run referendum with regards to his candidacy 49:32 , as they do in in Switzerland?!😂😜🤣
Yeah that was embarrassing. That study was thoroughly debunked. It demonstrated 2 spreader events at the market that both happened after other cases were known. This guy thinks the virus jumped to humans twice in the same place at different times???
Yeah that was embarrassing. That study was thoroughly debunked. It demonstrated 2 spreader events at the market that both happened after other cases were known. This guy thinks the virus jumped to humans twice in the same place at different times???
the genome sequencing shows it was spliced into it. human made. never seen in the wild how far they look. dude is too trusting in the gov backed studies...
A broken clock is correct twice a day. The problem is most of the public (and a lot of people in power) don't have the knowledge to know the difference when they speak the truth or nonsense. They just think it's all true.
I think Dr. Offit should appear on every TV station and every respected social media program, even Joe Rogan! People need to listen to him debate every misinformation RFK and others are spreading.
I like the part about doing your own research. "Just reading other peoples opinions " . 1 of the things i learned at the beginning of the "pandemic", was the difference between relative risk vs actual risk! Look it up, its a bit tricky to understand and they use that to lie to us about how effective it is!
We need VP and Offit to discuss all of this, esp the kids and vax thing, aaaaaand havent heard any mention of gruber and krause resigning over the shitty vax data
trust in medicine is at an ALL TIME LOW. vaccine recommendations a small part of it. lock downs, 6 feet spacing, masking (no, then yes, then toddlers) ... throw in gender dysphoria and transgender treatments for children, pronouns... how could patients not believe in their physicians' recommendations. Kennedy will need guidance. I wish Offit would have had Kennedy on Virology UA-cam site for open dialogue. That would have been helpful and educational
I'm SO grateful RFK will be HHS!!!! We need someone who actually cares about the chemicals and overconsumption of drugs.... Its a valid concern that HHS be led by someone knowlegable. But you said he isnt a dr. Nor were the former HHS directors.
Caring about the toxins and the overreach of pharmaceutical companies is vital. But that doesn't make him qualified to do this job. So many statements he has made as Truth have been proven wrong. He doesn't need to be a doctor, but he does need to be able and willing to know the difference between reality and conspiracy theories. RFK as the head of HHS is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
@@ravenofthewildThank You,…I’m appalled at both Kennedy and Oz in These positions. Science deniers and or/fad therapies are not the direction of science whatsoever.
JFK has been fighting big pharma and big ag for his whole life. He does not deny science he wants science to prove medications and vaccines are safe. Or at least be able to tell people all of the risks and benefits of medications and vaccines so that people can consent to treatment.
I think RFK will bring much needed balance to the childhood schedule debate. My kids got 30 instead of 80 shots and they're fine. Someone needs to speak for the babies that will NEVER encounter hep B EVER.
I feel like the whole vibe of this video is unusual for ZD. There’s a notable shift away from nuance and toward hyperbole. Lots of things PO said about RFK were out of context. And calling RFK dangerous because of the potential to undermine trust in science…. **looks around** we are WAY past that! No one trusts science, anymore thanks to “well qualified people who support the science”. I’m not sure what prompted ZD’s shift from chambré to open hatred for toward RFK. Maybe he has gotten new information, or maybe he had a bad day… idk what to make of it.
@ objectively… he’s not. He’s got some wild misguided opinions for sure but he’s also done some great things for the world. Calling everyone you disagree with “the worst” blurs what worst really is. If he’s “the worst”, then what’s Hitler? The worst-er? Offer more than “worst” or don’t comment.
@@the_nerdy_npAmen. I don't think I would call someone "the worst" who thinks there's too much sugar in our food, there are too many chemicals in our agriculture and we're taking pills and shots when we don't need to.
I'll be so glad to have RFK Jr. I read the Real Anthony Fauci. Everyone should read it and then make their judgment. Btw no one sued him for the information in that well cited book.
This really makes me sad to hear about RFK. I did believe that once he was in office and surrounded by the studies that he would adjust his views on vaccines accordingly. I am still hopeful about the other positive changes he can make for healthy eating and there food supply. We will all see how this plays out.
But don't you think we have reached over vaccination? Too many! Something just doesn't sit right in my heart to take my kids into get 4+ vaccines in one whack. It seems like a hit to their poor little immune systems.
Would your concerns persist if not for the plethora of fear-mongering and misinformation online? Engage in thorough inquiry, ask probing questions, and delve deeply into the subject. No one will deny you the right to seek clarity. If you’re unsatisfied with the initial answers, consult multiple sources until you feel confident in your decision.
Z sounds so reasonable here but he was agreeing when Vinad was saying stupid alarmist vaccine warnings saying myocharditis was worse than getting covid...
@williamc4221 and he mentioned those age groups were all people below 30... Way to be "nuanced". Even Z specifically said toddlers, Vinay was not being nuanced at all.
@@dkeener13 yeah, because you or your cousin our your neighbor or your uncle's neighbor's high school friend got a severe case of myocarditis, I will yell that EVERYONE should stop getting vaccinated...
Mercury is also in many red-dyed tattoos (cinnabar), along with other heavy metals. Not probably harmful, but I like to remind folks they are wearing it.
Well, I had the measles and everyone I know did, all living. But I do have more chance for other things because I had that infection. Thank God I was born after polio.
I got the measles vaccine as a kid and still got measles. I wish they would talk about how many of those people in the 2009 outbreak were actually vaccinated.
@@lr9621 I do remember my doctor saying there was a measles outbreak a few years ago. I had the measles long ago so he did a blood test to see if I had the antibody? I did so I didn’t need another vaccine. Sometimes you do.
Suppose that RFK is appointed - approved, how much power would he have in terms of cutting programs and destroying health science? Would there be teams of scientists underneath him to stop him or at least to soften the blow? I am a scientist myself and am concerned!
How many $$$$$ millions has Offit made & how much does he stand to lose by compelling vaccine manufacturers to comply with the laws governing testing of new drugs?
The problem is the medical establishment says that vaccine science is “settled” and rather than answer parents concerns in a legit manner or have proper safety surveillance, you tell people it’s settled. As you say, science is open and ever changing….so apply that to vaccine safety
I'm going to answer Paul Offits misunderstanding of my rationale. I didn't mot take the vaccine because of someone's Internet opinion, like most it was because when I had covid it was so mild. This is widely rejected by Paul here.. but truly, it was just a cold not unlike other colds I've had numerous times. This is why I can listen to Paul, he's a thoroughly decent man I agree, but he doesn't understand some aspects of the whole and take a view that is biased, based on his own experience but due to his profile he also has to tow the party line, so to speak. Whilst I'm glad his 800 page document made him unquestionably want to be first in line for the vaccine the issue that the common man had was as alluded to, the conflation of politics, the overreach of authority and mandates which then made people react to the science nadly too. Science has taken a kicking, but I'd say rightly so. It's important to have some scepticism, which you clearly both agreed upon as even Paul says some conspiracies (more than some imo) end up with some truth. Paul mentions early that those was definitely zoonotic spillover.. how can he be so sure when it's not possible to prove and the general consensus is that it is likely that there was a lab leak. It's a little frustrating to listen to so far.
Why not get Vinay and Paul on AT THE SAME TIME? Vinay is much more open minded than Paul IMHO. However, maybe Paul is “right” to be so skeptical. That said, a discussion between people with differing views is more helpful to me than listening to these one sided talks. Also, Z has a completely different tone about RFK in this video than the one with Vinay - disappointing.
Dr. Paul Offit is like the chicken noodle soup of public health.
Outstanding --- just chef's kiss here
Perfect comment
A 10 million dollar bowel of chicken soup.
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As in filling..but on closer inspection unhealthy, full of carbs and nutritionally empty?
Zdogg you say RFK will erode trust in the process of science. That’s already gone
why make it worse
Because we’ve woken up to the $cience that has been censoring all the opposition and maliciously maligning, threatening, damaging and destroying the careers and reputations of the real scientists who are not in lockstep with the $afe and Effective” $cientists.
@@vanhoot2234100% spot on comment - why make something worse?
@@seanmcne how do you know it will make it worse?
@@JeromeBetta That’s sad, not a reason to trash science.
I have a MPH, and am a clinician.. I believe the distrust really came to fruition when people were forced to receive the vaccine. Those of us who understand science, understood that the COVID-19 vaccine had not been properly studied due to the sense of urgency. It is difficult to be forced to lose your right to choose … or lose your ability to support your family.
The force was imposed by the individual employers, who in most cases have at-will termination clauses in their employment policies. Why are they not to blame?
Mrna isn't a vaccine. Our wonderful health system continues to go blindly along endorsing and profiting hugely off a needy public. Bobby makes sense. You guys dont
And we were gaslit when safety signals started to arise
@@joel.lallierwrong. It became a federal mandate for anyone receiving referral health dollars
@@cathycole754 specifically what sort of clinician are you, and by what metric are you asserting that the vaccine hadn't been properly studied?
Thank Dr. Zdogg! I've been following Dr. John Campbell, all the way from the beginning, as well as a lot of your coverage. He was a strong proponent of vacation as well as I. He has slowly been disappointed as the papers coming out have been alarming to me. He has interviewed well credentialed virologest research
erst, M.D.s that have expressed concerns. He has gone so far as claiming we couldn't have informed consent because of information that has been hidden and otherwise misrepresented. He did have a video I watched where he read from medical research papers being pear reviewed and had the video removed and given a strike on FB. If we can't be informed, how can we make informed consent? As far as your guest on this program I was disappointed to hear him misrepresent JFKjr. On Les Friedman show that I also watched. I'm trying to get fair information. I guess we are all humans and tend to hear what we want to hear. I enjoy your programs, but I don't think I can give this guy credibility as he seems not able to relay correctly what has been said.
Love John Campbell
Not a doctor though, is he? 😂
A few mistakes were made during the pandemic? 😆 I’m hoping we can investigate matters now instead of just “trusting the science”.
Science is the best method we have!!
Investigation of matters is the definition of Science.
Stop eating glue and pay attention.
Don't you remember what the Phizer lady said? They didn't have time to test the vaccine to see if it stops transmission Because they were moving at the speed of science!
ZDogg, I know you're going to get SO much hate for this video, so hoping to add my tiny vote for loving this video and the conversation had between you gentlemen. If all scientists had your communication skills, we'd be better for it. Both of you keep up the great work and ignore the haters! ❤❤❤❤
Only 15 minutes in and while I deeply respect you both, I have some critiques. My understanding is that RFK Jr never claimed that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. It's definitely inaccurate to state he claimed that covid was engineered to spare certain ethnicities. He was literally discussing the findings of a study about genetic variances and statistical impact of covid based on variations in ACE-2 receptors. He stated that "there's a theory" that the virus was engineered. Furthermore, it's at least as likely at this point that covid came from a lab as opposed to natural animal spillover. I thought you were aware of this, Z? Are you not pushing back harder out of deference, or have you really not read the non-conspiracy-based deeper discussions of all of this? Maybe Dr. Offit was too busy reading the vaccine studies and just went with the false MSM accounts of what RFK Jr purportedly claimed? I'm not a fan of RFK Jr for a few reasons, chiefly his backing of Israel as it commits genocide of Palestinians. Yet we need to at least get the facts correct regarding what RFK Jr did or did not claim. Regarding his suspicions about several vaccines, I have heard him admit that he doesn't know all the answers and that he favors better studies.
Also, wondering what Dr. Offit thinks of the law exempting pharmaceutical companies from liability for harm caused by vaccines. Necessary to incentivize vaccine development?
there's literally video of RFKjr saying that HIV is merely a passenger virus, but that it's not a cause of AIDS. And that the people who died of AIDS died because they were "addicted to poppers" and part of a "gay lifestyle." He said Fauci said it was an infectious disease because he won a "power struggle" over that question, which allowed Fauci to "take control."
So..how do you think people who have AIDS, who have *managed* it with anti-viral medications/protocols..would react to this theory?
RFK jr does not care about the truth. He consistently gravitates towards any theory that says the real truth is being hidden; but he is not engaged in an honest good faith discussion about what the truth actually is. (I would put the link to the video here, but I think youtube doesn't always allow links in comments. Google the Advocate magazine article on RFK jr and AIDS. They link to the video.)
And, as for SARS cov 2 being engineered -- yes, there are people out there saying that's what happened (there was even a NYT op-ed on this), but there are also many experts in the field who have responded to each of the claims behind the engineering theory, many, many times. While I myself am not an expert, I've seen and read enough to see that evidence for the lab-leak/engineered theory has been responded to; while the evidence behind the Wuhan Market (including that there were two separate lineages) has *not* been responded to by lab-leak proponents.
100% with you.
@@aikoshimada3167Look into this more. RFK Jr. backed Wakefields BS study and definitely denied that HIV is a vector to the AIDS virus - all in an attempt to throw shade at Fauchi. He's completely a science denier.
Me too.
Thank you for saving me the time on this.
I was pregnant at the time the Covid vaccines were filled out and I didn’t just take the internet’s word as research. I discussed it with my OBGYN and thankfully he cautioned me against the vaccine. I’m so thankful for him because he was one of the few cautionary voices.
Thank your lucky stars you didn’t take it when you were pregnant! I have a friend who got breast cancer a few months after taking that shot. She has just gone through chemotherapy. I haven’t told her it has been associated with increased cancers coined as Turbo cancers. She still believes they are “safe and effective“. I’m 78, I’ve always used naturopathy and supported and trained my immune system over the years. I’ve been exposed to Covid several times and used ivermectin and other protocols of the FLCCC successfully.
Same! My OB was great, too. I didn't want it, and he made me feel I was making the right choice, and I am SO glad I did not get it!
The UK just banned the Jabs for pregnant and nursing mothers❤❤❤
@@lisaorr6647I pushed back on our dr pressuring my wife to get Covid vax when pregnant. She was so pissed. I remember be shocked, it seemed so immature of her.
My OB said “we’re supposed to recommend it” and didn’t give me an opinion at all. :/
There is NO money in national immunity.
That is why I think this is all just a bunch of hoopla. Everything about dRumpf is about money. So how is RFK going to make money for big business by promoting real food and no vaccines?? WTF? It doesn't fit with this administration. I just think we need FREEDOM of choice.
Gosh darn it, I love Dr Offit - can’t get enough of this guy! So reasonable and level headed - a true national treasure!
He said he lied to us and now we should believe him? Hmmmm Dr. Z has been all over the place on this.
@@ToniGeiselman 💯
Would pay folding money to hear Vinay's response to this.
LOL
And let's also hear from Dr. John Campbell and Dr. Clare Craig from the UK!
Open, honest communication. Thank you for that
@@JMK-vo8pvTwo more weirdos. No thanks
@@JMK-vo8pvCampbell is a nurse lol 😂
I think the bias of personal opinions comes through on this. It doesn't feel like this was a truly honest conversation, that said, we are all human and I can understand why it would be so difficult to remove the personal feelings of previous bad interactions with a person. But the really concerning part is that these 2 placed a lot of trust in the media reporting of RFK Jr, and not a lot of source information was brought in. After listening, the conversation actually made me distrust Zubin and Offit because it felt so personal.
Actual verbatim quote from RFK Jr? "People say I am anti-vaccine because they don't want to have the argument with me about how to improve vaccines. I'm not anti-vaccine, I believe we should have safe vaccines and I believe we should have robust science. and I believe we should have independent regulators who are not financially tied to the companies that are making our vaccines." He went on to critique the amount and scheduling of the vaccines, which, when the US doesn't have robust evidence to support our own vaccine schedule, that's NOT a wildly inflammatory stance. Developed countries all over the world give far fewer vaccines than the US, no one seems to question their "anti-vax" status. His stance appears to be that no one has done the due diligence to prove safety, if safety hasn't been proved then they can't be deemed "safe". I am sure there are plenty of critiques of RFK Jr, but I didn't hear any good ones in this episode, sadly.
Listen to what RFK says I don’t think we need the media - what he says is enough. Also, Paul specifically cites a personal 1:1 conversation with RFK, not the media but direct interaction.
JFK Jr doesn't understand the definition of & criteria used to declare a vaccine safe & effective & why! He knows law not statistics, epidemiology & science.
Thank you!
@@seanmcne LOL you mean a conversation from 20 years ago? That's what he said, 20 YEARS AGO. That's what I should trust here? Second hand hearsay from someone who is what, 65+ years old, who is clearly biased, and the conversation is from 20 years ago? It is clear, people like you, haven't actually listened to a single podcast or long form interview with RFK on any of these topics. Thanks for your opinion though, we will all take it into account.
the reality is that RFK has some good ideas and a whole load of really bad ones.....extra concerning is that he has contradicted himself several times and denied things he has said in the past, which makes him unpredictable.
The min this guy said covid came from an animal to human spill over event he lost a lot of credibility
What I observe is a profound exchange between two highly accomplished doctors, each deeply passionate about knowledge and understanding. There is a palpable sense of mutual respect for each other's achievements, coupled with an underlying tension-a subtle fear, perhaps-that an individual like Kennedy might wield a greater influence over the public discourse. This interplay of admiration and apprehension highlights the complexity of their interaction, driven by both intellectual curiosity and the acknowledgment of the power of public perception. The essence of this lies in recognizing that if something holds significance for you, then pursue it wholeheartedly. However, it is essential to accept that what holds meaning for one person may be inconsequential to another, and this divergence in values should not become a source of frustration. For the rest of the folks, don't be mean to Offit. He is actually one of better American citizens. This was worth watching.
@@MyBeba29 great comment
I think Offit had moments of true clarity in this discussion, but he at other moments where he seemed really petty and political
I feel uncomfortable that this video is taking a rather different perspective and vibe than the video with Vinay. Not sure how to take this.
Okay, it wasn't just me getting strange vibes 😆 I don't think I ever heard Z call someone a "fucking liar" before 😂
i read it as with Vinay Zdogg was looking at possible benefits of him in office, but with Offit it is more of his true thoughts/venting
Z is affected by who he hangs with. Prasad has turned into a bit of a loon.
Feels like slander. Maybe also pander.
@@karenkaren3189how is Prasad a loon? If anything, he’s not “looney” enough!
My cousin had polio, it is a horrible disease. RFK scares me on that, I agree that we need to CLEANUP our foods, Sugar needs to be included.
@@TimelessjewelbyDebra I hope he sticks with that and I think he will if he even gets in.
Read The Moth in the Iron Lung
Did you agree with those proposals when Michelle Obama made them? I know that she received a bunch of pushback from the very same people who are supporting RFK in the present matter.
It appears we are generally in agreement. His views on medicine are terrifying, but his fews on healthy food are justified.
I think RFK truly means well. He just seems to misplace his focus and fall down rabbit holes.
RFK Jr. is spreading misinformation, and we shouldn’t sugarcoat that. His understanding of food science is rudimentary at best. While banning ultra-processed foods isn’t necessary, implementing stricter regulations and guidelines is crucial. We can’t outright ban sugar and salt, but we can enforce stringent industry standards to reduce their levels. His comparisons of food additives between countries only add to the confusion. Just because one country bans an additive doesn’t mean it’s inherently harmful. He lacks a clear understanding of the science and fails to communicate the actual content effectively.
Doctor ZI am so confused. I listened to you for years since COVID and while I disagreed with you on a lot. I agreed with you on a lot. And I always appreciated your open and honest and unbiased opinions, and I line with you medically speaking in many ways, and then when I found out you were on the meditation journey, I was I was really excited and knew that you were on to something, but I don't know, man, this pool guy, he's lost and he's in denial, and I think he has the liberal derangement syndrome. There is something very, very off about him, and yes, I'm an experienced d meditator and I'm very much in tune with my intuition. And saying that this COVID vaccine is safe for kids. There's so many other things. He said that are just wrong, like he's still trying to say. The COVID came from animals when we know this isn't true when the evidence is absolutely undeniable. I don't know. I think you need to rethink this man or i'm wondering who's paying you off doctor z. I will add, I realize that he is a "-un". Respected scientist but the dark side has gotten a hold of him.I can see right through him. I'm so irritated by this person, peace out
@@mdmommy The dark side? Come on!
I KNEW you would react when I heard Dr Oz was nominated! 😂 Came here and got Dr Offit as a bonus, thank you!
do you have any concerns that Dr Oz is a big proponent of privatizing Medicare? this is very problematic for me
@@susanpierce6424 scary which way he may turn.
No I did not know that.
He loses a ton of credibility by arguing for the racoon dog origin theory. That to me shows he's defaulting to the institutional messaging rather than honestly assessing the available data.
Well said, he really lost me there.
Great conversation. Unfortunately, the humble honesty of great docs like Offit will never beat the confident bullshit and lies of people like RFK Jr in the public square. To the uninitiated, it is easy to trust the latter while thinking the former is just a nerd.
The idea that they trust a lawyer who lies about science and who was a drug addict, over a doctor is beyond me.
On Covid and Ashkenazi Jews, Dr. Offit is following the out of context MSNBC lie, which I have watched RFK mention in context. In fact, what I have heard RFK say with my own ears over the past year isn't the RFK you guys are discussing.
I still love you!
Please share the lie, anyone thinking the vaccine was never sold as preventing infection did not understand. It prevented hospitalization and after the vaccine was deployed death rates dropped significantly. RFK JR is a total idiot. Oz was documented that his show promoted pseudo science and unproven treatment 60% of the time on his show, he is an entertainer and trained as a surgeon. Never trust a surgeon without 3 different opinions
Thank you! I have also seen RFK Jr discuss this and when you see the whole clip and know that it was a journal article and he wasn’t making that announcement just discussing the article. It was taken out of context and used to try and discredit Kennedy. Besides, he was at a dinner party, just discussing it with a few of his friends. He had no idea someone was filming it.
@@gaylemuir1634RFK JR was clearly ruminating and speaking off the cuff at that dinner and he was not expressing his own view, but rather expressing their reviews out there that espoused that particular theory, not his own. These two clowns are simply parroting MSNBC talking points
Wrong … it was captured on a leaked videotape obtained by the NY Post. MSNBC had nothing to do with it. It was RFK Jr’s own words. “COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
@@roberto_campif RFK Jr gets put in a position of authority, he needs to knock of doing his “just throwing this out there”-style of planting ideas in people’s heads so he can later deny he claimed them.
Lastly, Paul Offit talking about transparency….had we been transparent and said yeah we were wrong. How would people respond to that by not trusting us anymore?
So….pharmaceutical companies can’t be sued for vaccine injuries, and you are promoting you shouldn’t be transparent because of the risk losing trust….what are we talking about. Make that make sense.
Z, how do you not stop him right there. The US is supposed to be transparent to their people. This conversation is eroding what the US is suppose to be about.
He said it all when he said he worked for NIH Fauci.
Yup
Paul was not working for NIH he had funding from them, regardless he’s got a spine and a solid head on him and a true man of science. Look at his background and what he did and said over the pandemic - he’s got a track record and it’s nothing to be ashamed of. We need more guys and gals like Paul around, period.
@seanmcne what a the difference between getting funding and working for. You know Bill Gates funded near every university worldwide and most provided the science as in computer modeling. Which was exaggerated and put us in lockdown. If this guy still believes Covid started in the wet market in sure he believes the twin towers collapsed by the jets
Lost me when started talking about mandating vaccines and natural immunity wasn’t mentioned at all.
You obviously stopped listening when they talked about natural immunity being as good as vaccination
He definitely mentioned natural immunity and how it likely provided a broader immunity. He also talked about the many mistakes in public health communication. If you're feeling open-minded, listen to the whole episode, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised and may even soften your stance on a strongly held opinion or two.
Thank you for this information. Some of what you both said reminds me of how my mom always said that this is why they call it “practicing “ medicine. Always learning and changing.
Love Dr. Offit! 💕💕💕
How is it that RFK jr hasn’t been sued into oblivion over the books he has published on this topic?
@@patrickbell5086 yes waiting for all the lawsuits
@@patrickbell5086 may be here awhile
I am surprised that Offit still believes the wet food market lie.
Dr John Campbell had a good video showing a study that had a large analysis and showed proof that the virus is human engineered.
He believes the studies and science that reached that conclusion. Absolutely no lie. @12:24
Are you saying You know the truth? And, if so what do you believe it is and can you back it up? Honestly, not judging, but what I hear in this statement is that you think You know something these men don't, can you clarify?
I’ll so surprised he still believes that as well. Interesting! Many doctors and scientists do not believe that any more.
@ravenofthewild so what was shown was their too many electrons for it to be a naturally forming disease.
Love Zdogg and Dr. Offit on interviews! Great info, as always.
NICU RN for 40 yrs. This was a great discussion
Dr Offit is fantastic 😊!!
JFK is not anti- vaccine. He is for accountability and liability when one is injured. Who in their right mind would argue that.
It's hard to argue against a huge simplification.
RFK, but yeah, preach on
@@jrfly30 I’d love to hear RFK say that, in that way. I think anti vaccine folks see a huge ally in RFK.
“Who in their right mind would argue that.” That’s a statement of manipulation at its finest. I’d bet that RFK (not JFK) is human like the rest of us - right sometimes and wrong sometimes. And he has a preponderance of anti-vaccine statements that are on the record. However that’s not mutually exclusive with also being for accountability and liability when one is injured. False dichotomy. I’m looking forward to a more nuanced, evidenced based discussion where he changes his mind, at least on the measles vaccine. Feel free to bring the specifics with receipts to the comments rather than BS statements that anyone who would disagree with your declarative statement must be mentally ill. That’s some serious hubris there.
He's fooling you with plausible deniability because he's charismatic and trained at convincing people in court. Look into his past concerns about certain vaccines and how they have changed over time. His goal post moves. He's demanding perfection from something that can never be perfect. Anything with an effect will have a potential side effect, and because of this, he can always claim dissatisfaction with current vaccines while still claiming he's simply for safer vaccines. You end up looking like the crazy person if you're against him because who would be against safer vaccines? But he's doing his lawyer thing, don't let yourself be swayed by it, interrogate his opinions in the same way you would someone less famous.
I’m a fan of informed consent. Mandates are a bad idea. Transparency is always good. You are a scientist, not a marketer. The peasants can handle nuance better than you think.
Raccoon dogs? Really? Clearly that’s outside his area of expertise.
Of the mandate-loving scientists, Paul Offit is a lot better than Peter Hotez. Philip Krause is the best of the bunch. Clearly, previous infection should have been appropriate for all of the front-line nurses and doctors who we put in harm’s way during the height of the pandemic and then fired when they refused a vaccine because they already had natural immunity (or whatever marketing term you want to use).
I know Z-Dogg hates anti-vaxxers with a passion…. But bodily autonomy is important. The CDC presented papers to back perspectives that don’t make sense… like that the vaccine was better than natural immunity, which flies in the face of what we have learned so far about immunology. The CDC would make pronouncements and then go in after the fact and support these pronouncements with low quality evidence and for people like me who actually follow this, it erodes faith.
Sorry that you had to get the science wrong to make a clearer message, but you eroded my trust in public health in the process. That won’t come back overnight.
Lost me at calling RFK science denier without giving any concrete examples in the next few minutes. We need to improve our dialogue over demagoguery.
he is literally an anti vax science denier. He got 80 kids killed in Samoa by convincing their parents not to vaccinate them (and we're not talking about the COVID vaccine).
he literally said no vaccine was of value, not even the polio vaccine. you're in denial dude
@@Eric-wd7kx Have you ever looked at any of those statements in context xD I think this is the attitude that spawned this comment
They literally provided examples of RFK refusing to acknowledge the facts around thimerosal here! The reality is RFK is part of the demagoguery cartel that functions by destroying trust in our institutions with disinformation and attempting exploit the vacuum in trust to usurp power. Trump showed the way and MAGA is refining it. To believe RFK is to be a science denier.
You don't think that RFKjrs assertion that HIV does not cause AIDS counts as an example?
What made me say Hmmmm
Was mandating vaccination to those who had already been infected.
I thought it was just me; this seems like I am listing to a different person. Switching horses in the middle of a stream
What do you mean?
Dr. Offit at 46 minutes you talk about the vote for natural infection "survival induced immunity". In mid March of 2020, early in the pandemic, I had a bad case of covid. I had always believed in vaccines, and had both of my sons vaccinated fully. When the vaccine came out I wanted nothing to do with it, the thought of putting anything relating to covid virus in my body felt deeply wrong to me. A few people , including Dr. Monica Ghandi, took the stance of natural immunity, but family denounced me as an "anti vaxxer ", and continued to push me to get the vaccine. I just needed more time to recover , but because so many people in the mainstream did not speak up publicly, I was more or less disowned by my family. Then we were forced to to get both of my sons (18 and 20) vaccines to stay in college. You make a lot of sense, but I lost so much trust that it opened me up to listening to people such as RFK. I think you failed people , because you and your commity did not speak up. That is also lying in my eyes, you knew something and didn't say it, which makes you equally responsible in my eyes. I believe your intentions are good, but to me RFK has good intentions also. Why did your commity lie to us?
Very sad to look at these comments, thanks for the Video, I'm always happy to see Dr. Offit
This is video, unfortunately, made me unsubscribe from ZD. The reason our kids get more vaccines than kids in any other country, eat morning cereal with clormequeat, and have the highest under 5 mortality because researchers stopped being independent and became puppets of pharma. Why do you think “your science” is better than “RFK Jr.’s science”? Zdogg behaved as if he hoped Dr. O would get him a contract with Merck. This discussion is the reason people stopped ‘trusting the science’.
Probably because RFK isn't a scientist. He's a lawyer.
@@temiiegamer6593 living in a world where we are less trusting of each other.
@@whodey2112the current hhs secretary is a lawyer and politiacian
@@whodey2112the current hhs secretary is a lawyer and career politician.
RFK has no background in science or medicine. Is that so complicated? Would you rather have him or a trained surgeon perform a bypass?
This was a great conversation ❤️
70 vaccines for kids is ridiculous
Excuse me, could you please clarify the source and origin of the number?
It's completely nuts
The childhood vaccine schedule includes 15 different immunizations. Don’t make stuff up.
@Dietcheesey Indeed, this highlights how parents often make decisions based on emotions rather than empirical evidence. Skeptics exploit this tendency, understanding that parents are more likely to respond to fear rather than logic.
You are repeating lies! That is not what he said about the Chinese and the Jews at all. It’s a talking point for the mainstream media. Maybe quit using repeater memes as fact??
Kennedy said at press event last year in a video posted by the New York Post that “Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
He said that Covid is less likely to be harmful (or is likely to cause less harm) for Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews. Then he pointed to a published paper he got that from. But he seriously misrepresented what the paper said.
This is what he does - he finds something with a kernel of truth, and he twists it.
The RFK nomination made me think of ZDogg for the first time in a while since COVID so I’ve been eagerly waiting for this podcast.
I agree with everything you said, except about Sars Covid, it definitely came from a lab.
If RFK Jr is so problematic, why don't you debate him Dr. Offit? I believe he's offered many times.
They answered your question at the 40 minute 44 second mark.
@@thesagetraveler7649 very problematic
@@Superglide03 not a very good answer. Offit is a joke.
@@thesagetraveler7649 It was a perfect provable answer. He said RFK makes shit up. He gives the papers author and the title saying what RFK claimed wasn't in the paper. Now if you were to read the paper and find It was actually Offit lying you'd then have a point.
Thank you for having Dr Offit on! I just read his latest book, and am his new biggest fan.
@@nancyreid8729 he’s great!!
Looks like we know how Zubin REALLY feels about RFKj 😮
Yeah. His rhetoric changes to support whoever is on the show. He has no identity
He's talked down on rfk for a long time. Rightfully so
@@kevinscott9745but he agreed with Vinay's viewpoints on RFKJ on the VPZD show. VP is much less critical and or seems supportive of some of RFKJ ideas
Stop the slander boys.
How about
Dr Vinay Prasad for secretary of HHS?
He is brilliant, superbly informed professionally in medical and adjacent fields, and his heart is in a right place- just a gem from any standpoint
Shell we run referendum with regards to his candidacy 49:32 , as they do in in Switzerland?!😂😜🤣
Ok I stopped listening at the Wuhan Market theory.
Same
Yeah that was embarrassing. That study was thoroughly debunked. It demonstrated 2 spreader events at the market that both happened after other cases were known. This guy thinks the virus jumped to humans twice in the same place at different times???
Yeah that was embarrassing. That study was thoroughly debunked. It demonstrated 2 spreader events at the market that both happened after other cases were known. This guy thinks the virus jumped to humans twice in the same place at different times???
the genome sequencing shows it was spliced into it. human made. never seen in the wild how far they look. dude is too trusting in the gov backed studies...
@@cityturboflythis is definitely not true
A broken clock is correct twice a day.
The problem is most of the public (and a lot of people in power) don't have the knowledge to know the difference when they speak the truth or nonsense. They just think it's all true.
Bottom line, the people in power now suck really bad. At everything.
I think Dr. Offit should appear on every TV station and every respected social media program, even Joe Rogan! People need to listen to him debate every misinformation RFK and others are spreading.
@@fadiahamadah9066 too smart for Rogan.
@@fadiahamadah9066 but Zdogg said they won’t debate his points because there isn’t enough time to debunk his stuff? Or something?
The "misinformation" like the COVID vaccine prevented transmission?
I like the part about doing your own research. "Just reading other peoples opinions " . 1 of the things i learned at the beginning of the "pandemic", was the difference between relative risk vs actual risk!
Look it up, its a bit tricky to understand and they use that to lie to us about how effective it is!
This session is a reminder of why I stopped watching Z Dogg 😮two years ago.
👋 ✌️
We need VP and Offit to discuss all of this, esp the kids and vax thing, aaaaaand havent heard any mention of gruber and krause resigning over the shitty vax data
Dr Offit is the one who said ivermectin is horse medicine on your podcast
And was right.
@@DietcheeseyHa ha ha
trust in medicine is at an ALL TIME LOW. vaccine recommendations a small part of it. lock downs, 6 feet spacing, masking (no, then yes, then toddlers) ... throw in gender dysphoria and transgender treatments for children, pronouns... how could patients not believe in their physicians' recommendations. Kennedy will need guidance. I wish Offit would have had Kennedy on Virology UA-cam site for open dialogue. That would have been helpful and educational
AIDs is real kids.
Amazing pod
how can this doc legit say that as facts? you wrong, have you seen the geneome sequencing? it defo was made in a lab.
Vinny Prasad seems to be contributing to ‘sanewashing’ RFK Jr.
Love to hear you or you and Dr Offit discuss this with him
I love Dr Offit
I'm SO grateful RFK will be HHS!!!! We need someone who actually cares about the chemicals and overconsumption of drugs.... Its a valid concern that HHS be led by someone knowlegable. But you said he isnt a dr. Nor were the former HHS directors.
Huh. The dude literally makes up garbage.
Caring about the toxins and the overreach of pharmaceutical companies is vital. But that doesn't make him qualified to do this job. So many statements he has made as Truth have been proven wrong. He doesn't need to be a doctor, but he does need to be able and willing to know the difference between reality and conspiracy theories. RFK as the head of HHS is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
@@kevinscott9745 Do you have substantial proof of that?
@@ravenofthewildThank You,…I’m appalled at both Kennedy and Oz in These positions. Science deniers and or/fad therapies are not the direction of science whatsoever.
JFK has been fighting big pharma and big ag for his whole life. He does not deny science he wants science to prove medications and vaccines are safe. Or at least be able to tell people all of the risks and benefits of medications and vaccines so that people can consent to treatment.
I think RFK will bring much needed balance to the childhood schedule debate. My kids got 30 instead of 80 shots and they're fine. Someone needs to speak for the babies that will NEVER encounter hep B EVER.
Thank you for this episode. We need evidence and sanity in this insane upcoming admin
I feel like the whole vibe of this video is unusual for ZD. There’s a notable shift away from nuance and toward hyperbole. Lots of things PO said about RFK were out of context. And calling RFK dangerous because of the potential to undermine trust in science…. **looks around** we are WAY past that! No one trusts science, anymore thanks to “well qualified people who support the science”.
I’m not sure what prompted ZD’s shift from chambré to open hatred for toward RFK. Maybe he has gotten new information, or maybe he had a bad day… idk what to make of it.
Rfk is the worst
@ objectively… he’s not. He’s got some wild misguided opinions for sure but he’s also done some great things for the world. Calling everyone you disagree with “the worst” blurs what worst really is. If he’s “the worst”, then what’s Hitler? The worst-er? Offer more than “worst” or don’t comment.
@the_nerdy_np I agree with your comment up until the condescending attempt to squelch at the end by saying, "don't comment."
@@the_nerdy_npAmen. I don't think I would call someone "the worst" who thinks there's too much sugar in our food, there are too many chemicals in our agriculture and we're taking pills and shots when we don't need to.
I'll be so glad to have RFK Jr. I read the Real Anthony Fauci. Everyone should read it and then make their judgment. Btw no one sued him for the information in that well cited book.
In a time such as this where people are inflamed with passion for their particular group think I am greatful to hear wisdom ❤
Paul Offit has gained $$$ on the backs of injured children.
This really makes me sad to hear about RFK. I did believe that once he was in office and surrounded by the studies that he would adjust his views on vaccines accordingly. I am still hopeful about the other positive changes he can make for healthy eating and there food supply. We will all see how this plays out.
Read Robert’s book. He’s never been sued by Fauci for a reason
@@beatgreens9530 it will be interesting to see
@@beatgreens9530 I think RFK is power hungry
RFK is not without criticism but I would listen to RFK in long format interviews and weigh it against his critics before writing him off completely.
In my opinion, Kennedy is still a steller choice who's not bought and paid for by Big Pharma. I think we should have more skepticism and transparency.
But don't you think we have reached over vaccination? Too many! Something just doesn't sit right in my heart to take my kids into get 4+ vaccines in one whack. It seems like a hit to their poor little immune systems.
Would your concerns persist if not for the plethora of fear-mongering and misinformation online? Engage in thorough inquiry, ask probing questions, and delve deeply into the subject. No one will deny you the right to seek clarity. If you’re unsatisfied with the initial answers, consult multiple sources until you feel confident in your decision.
Our immune systems are bombarded by bacteria and viruses from the moment were born. Why do you think kids are sick so often?
What a great show. Thank you so much (from a critical care RN 20+ years). I love it when people make sense!!
Go get em Bobby!
Really amazing show.
I want to believe you but you refuse to debate him in public. Why?
Paul NOT ONLY knows his s**t, he's also kinda hilarious! WHO KNEW? An informative AND fun covo.
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5 stars,
would recommend
If what RFK Jr. wrote about you is not true, why not sue him? Could it be because you are actually twisting his words to satisfy your trolling ?
Paul Offit, you must be joking.
Z sounds so reasonable here but he was agreeing when Vinad was saying stupid alarmist vaccine warnings saying myocharditis was worse than getting covid...
You didn't actually listen to Vinay, apparently. He said the risk of myocarditis for certain age groups outweighed the benefit of Covid boosters.
@williamc4221 and he mentioned those age groups were all people below 30... Way to be "nuanced". Even Z specifically said toddlers, Vinay was not being nuanced at all.
@@williamc4221he can listen and hear a person and agree to disagree.
why don't you ask someone who's had myocarditis whether it's worse than getting covid.
@@dkeener13 yeah, because you or your cousin our your neighbor or your uncle's neighbor's high school friend got a severe case of myocarditis, I will yell that EVERYONE should stop getting vaccinated...
Paul Offit is a national treasure.
Mercury is also in many red-dyed tattoos (cinnabar), along with other heavy metals. Not probably harmful, but I like to remind folks they are wearing it.
I have less than 0% respect for Offit. Sorry to see him here. Can’t watch for more than a couple of minutes. 🤮
Nope, wish you well on your channel, and I support Bobby Kenndy ✌️
@@leannelevesque6960 Kennedy is Not my choice.
Well, I had the measles and everyone I know did, all living. But I do have more chance for other things because I had that infection. Thank God I was born after polio.
I got the measles vaccine as a kid and still got measles. I wish they would talk about how many of those people in the 2009 outbreak were actually vaccinated.
@@lr9621 I do remember my doctor saying there was a measles outbreak a few years ago. I had the measles long ago so he did a blood test to see if I had the antibody? I did so I didn’t need another vaccine. Sometimes you do.
Suppose that RFK is appointed - approved, how much power would he have in terms of cutting programs and destroying health science? Would there be teams of scientists underneath him to stop him or at least to soften the blow? I am a scientist myself and am concerned!
Offit is a dinosaur and zdogg is a flip flipper. NEXT
So good 👏 Thanks guys 😊
Thanks guys. You were both a voice of reason during Covid and remained so today.
Anyone is better than the last people in that position
Offit...I'm no conspiracy theorist but the sarscov2 was not from a wet market
How many $$$$$ millions has Offit made & how much does he stand to lose by compelling vaccine manufacturers to comply with the laws governing testing of new drugs?
The problem is the medical establishment says that vaccine science is “settled” and rather than answer parents concerns in a legit manner or have proper safety surveillance, you tell people it’s settled. As you say, science is open and ever changing….so apply that to vaccine safety
How come at 36:57 there was an edit when talking about HIV?
Can always trust Zdogg to provide a level-headed take on things. ♡ Dr. Offit was an awesome guest too.
I'm going to answer Paul Offits misunderstanding of my rationale. I didn't mot take the vaccine because of someone's Internet opinion, like most it was because when I had covid it was so mild.
This is widely rejected by Paul here.. but truly, it was just a cold not unlike other colds I've had numerous times.
This is why I can listen to Paul, he's a thoroughly decent man I agree, but he doesn't understand some aspects of the whole and take a view that is biased, based on his own experience but due to his profile he also has to tow the party line, so to speak.
Whilst I'm glad his 800 page document made him unquestionably want to be first in line for the vaccine the issue that the common man had was as alluded to, the conflation of politics, the overreach of authority and mandates which then made people react to the science nadly too.
Science has taken a kicking, but I'd say rightly so. It's important to have some scepticism, which you clearly both agreed upon as even Paul says some conspiracies (more than some imo) end up with some truth.
Paul mentions early that those was definitely zoonotic spillover.. how can he be so sure when it's not possible to prove and the general consensus is that it is likely that there was a lab leak.
It's a little frustrating to listen to so far.
A sample size of 1 is your reason?
I saw 30 deaths working in health care. The vaccine would have prevented most of their deaths.
...also, I really don't believe the wet market theory. Arte you sure you are telling the truth on this? I'd like to really hear you assure me of this
Why not get Vinay and Paul on AT THE SAME TIME? Vinay is much more open minded than Paul IMHO. However, maybe Paul is “right” to be so skeptical. That said, a discussion between people with differing views is more helpful to me than listening to these one sided talks. Also, Z has a completely different tone about RFK in this video than the one with Vinay - disappointing.
Now I understand why RFK is appealing to Trump - a common fondness for lying.
If you trust these two to give you the full story on RFK Jr, I think you need to do much. Much more research
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