I was working at Gamestop around the time of FarCry 3 and the "Skyrim with guns" ad played about every 5 minutes like clockwork on the tv behind the front counter... it was hellish lol
@@Adriethyl same engine, just with New Vegas on a slightly newer version. So not a big deal. The difference is mostly in the assets and scripting. Technically Skyrim SE is just Skyrim in the Fallout 4 version of the engine. In fact, I have a couple clothing and hair mods in Fallout 4 that were originally for oblivion.
@ilikecinema1234 idk but the new vegas benny comics show horseback NCR troops (probably a lore oversight since horses are non-existent across all other fallout media)
Ironically when i was a kid, i wanted Fallout 1&2 in the style of Daggerfall. Pixel visuals and 1st person open ended specifically. I think I want it even more now honestly
Polish dev Jonasz Osmenda is working on a fanmade remake of Fallout 2 similar to Daggerfall's style. You can even play the WIP version. It's pretty impressive
GOOD NEWS FOR YOU SOMEONE'S WORKIN ON A 3D MOD FOR FALLOUT 2 AND IT'S LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT LOOK IT UP RN it's playable but not quite finished yet
@@nikolabaric1140 nah i know about that, its not what im envisioning. Also this idea came as a child when "two games in pc would make them combine. 3d FO2 would be fun to see the game from a different perspective but im talking like it's literally daggerfall, but FO aesthetically. Daggerfall is my first and favorite Bethesda rpg game so I'm probably just baised
it doesn't help that (aside form New Vegas to F3) Fallout 3 and Oblivion are the closest too each other than any other Bethesda games. only 2 years apart, and the most similar on a technical level, since they're running on almost same version of the engine.
Bruh, i remember some wierdo modded in guns from Fallout 3 into Oblivion and didnt even have to do that much to make them work LOL it was basically plug & play
@@joshwist556it got one back in 2017, it’s all the same engine, that’s why you can find references to magic schools that were last in morrowind in starfield files
we honestly need to stop shaming reuse of assets thats why we have games with such bloated budgets and file sizes now, Reusing assets is totally fine, the Issue with bethesda is they could have don't more while they reused parts of oblivion and the improvement was bare. New Vegas was almost 90% reused assets from fallout 3 but the improvements lied elsewhere such as the writing, and it still feels like an entirely different game
@@SwedishEmpire1700 90% of the work in producing a video game is making assets and source code for your engine to run stable. Bethesda did 90% of the technical work, and that is why FNV was able to have the most recorded lines of any video game in history up to that point. They were given a sandbox. It is not very different in practice to fan made mod games like Fallout London.
@@thee-wastegamer4044 Of course of couse its the work of your precious Bethesda deffinitely not Obsidian why that game was so so much better! Telling that New Vegas is good because Bethesda is like telling that any unreal engina game is good only thanks to Epic not to its developer. Bethesda gave them that crap engine and showed them how to use it thats it... Good little member of the Todd the Godd cult you are!
@@keepitclean8791honestly I didn’t like the melee combat that much in Fallout 4. I defend Starfield for a lot of things but Christ that melee combat is even worse, and I NEVER want to play a melee build in Starfield. I really hope it’s like this because Melee weapons aren’t seen as the optimal way to play and ES6 combat will be like Skyrim or Oblivion’s. But if not, Christ.
Except Starfield is so egregious that the Fallout comparison isn't even fair because at least the Fallout games are actually fun to play as opposed to Starfield. Yes, even Fallout 4. That's how you know Bethesda truly fucked up this time.
I forgot I was redownloading Fallout 3 while watching this. At 2:23, the title screen popped up, blasting loud as fuck so much that I couldn't hear the video. I thought that was the joke until I realized it was my own game -_-
19:38 Starfield is the exception. It literally is “Skyrim in Space.” You are the Starborn (Dragonborn). You journey to shrines and obtain magical Powers (Dragonshouts). The Gravity Wave power is EXACTLY the same as the Unrelenting Force shout (FUS RO DAH!). Bethesda really “phoned it in” with Starfield.
@@lennyface5540 Nah, skyrim sucks. Starfield atleast had the benefit of being it's own thing(you should have expected what it was given Bethesda's last 10+ years), while Skyrim tainted the games that came before it.
It's funny that, contrary to all the other examples, calling '76 "Fallout with a multiplayer mod" was actually overselling the game massively. Ditto with "Skyrim in space". That would've been way cooler than what was actually delivered with Starfield
@@98maplestory mehh I downloaded it this year and played it for the first time. Didn't make it more than 8 hours before I stopped playing. Absolutely sauceless in my opinion
@@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099 yeah I mean ANY game is better with friends. If 76 is fun with friends, it's because playing with your friends is fun. 76 itself is not a fun game
IDK why 16:11 is so funny to me also nothing happens in the 3rd era after Martin dying, so the IVth Annual Cyrodiil Games takes place in an alternate universe. A Dragon Break, for the lore nerds.
@@Otterdisappointment Titus Mede II was made emperor in 4e 168, the great war started in 171, and ended with the White Gold Condcordat (baning of Talos worship) in 175. The loading screen says "The Fourth Era began 200 years ago when Martin Septim sacrificed himself to save the world from the Oblivion Crisis", so as far as the official timeline is concerned, when you see it happen in Oblivion, the era changes.
Thinking on it, especially with the intro of the phrase being used for STALKER of all things, "oblivion with guns" might have been that era's "doom clone" or "soulslike"
Exactly. It's a simple phrase that gives a very simple overview on what to expect, but misses out on all the details. Stalker is indeed like Oblivion with guns, but simultaneously nothing like it.
As somebody who was in the "gamer ideological trenches" of the fallout fandom when the fandom found out that Oblivion was being made, it was not a neutral term. It was a term uttered with scathing contempt that Bethesda would dare profane our beloved isometric turn-based fallout with such commercial trappings. Back in late 2004-2005, such a term was used as an invitation to have an argument and insult somebody's gaming preferences about what was to be done with the fallout franchise.
with the caveat that I only saw this because I dig the channel: I don't know what an ELFCON is, but DEFCON is a scale from 1 to 5 with 1 being "we think nuclear war could be moments away" and 5 being "ok it's never safe enough to be a dumbass about it" Confusion on how it works sometimes makes people scared for no reason
Yeah, "fun" fact: I realized that Morrowind actually HAS a map about mid-late game. Before that I had to find locations by literally reading directions in a quest journal (I also didn't have good PC back then so I played with minimal render distance as well, which adds to it). I mean, were those descriptions a meme because I was not the only person who realized that you can open a map by clicking on a minimap in inventory screen or just because those descriptions were well done?
You can even pin the map to have a persistent minimap. Oh, and the game originally came with a large paper map, with lots of locations on it. But I would appreciate if more games would add directions again. Fells more natural to explain people the way if they've never been to a place. That obviously wouldn't invalidate a floating quest marker, but it would give us a choice.
Never heard of this channel before, and was expecting a modded oblivion playthrough and not a documentary type video. I am PLEASANTLY pleased, great video.
Fallout 3 actually did a good job as a reboot. Vats was actually built up enough that if you spec into it you can basically play it like a turn based game. Not to mention they nailed the atmosphere and had both cool new things like mirelurks and old favorites like radscorpions. The biggest criticism I usually see is the 'Go find X family member. But honestly this really only popped up after Fallout 4 did it again. Fallout 3 shouldn't be criticized for something a later game did.
As someone who started with 3 then in anticipation for FNV did all the other Fallouts (and still playing the classics at least twice a year per playthroughs), Fallout 3 not only did a poor job but also shat on the formula by imposing something that Fallout never was : A world devoided of interesting world building and where fighting is the main way to progress in the game. If for you the atmosphere was alright, replaying Fallout 3 (through a near bugless and updated FNV mod called TTW) made me realise how the game has not only poor world design, but also poor game design and world design. People lives in shacks and unclean streets while living off a scavenger economy. No farm, no clear economy. They basically re-used concepts from classic Fallout that were Atom Punk and slapped it over their Oblivion engine without anymore thoughts like Bottlecaps being a logical currency or how the BoS are so far in the East and even recieved continuous reinforcement until Lyons and Casdin made schism in the Eastern BoS. The vaults are also bad experiments, in the sense that in Tim Cain's original outline for vaults is that they are experiments for the Enclave to retrieve data for their space exploration to a habitable planet. Thats why you had experiments like Vault 15, 22, 13, 53 or 69 made sense in the context of building a Colony Ship and recolting useful data to go out and have a safe prosperous voyage in space to a habitable planet. Now in comparaison, in terms of world building you have Tempenny Tower, they are all rich for some reason and thats it. Some old mercs live there but the economy doesnt help to sell a living a breathing world where I feel immersed. When people talk about atmosphere, its just roaming dead streets with a chilling sound. It can be fine as long as you ignore all the dumb shit you can find in Fallout 3.
The story in Fallout 3, the big parts, dont make any sense. The ending capstones that nonsense. That was the worst part, imo. Broken steel sorta fixed the ending. Still bad but not pure cancer bad.
I mean, in the end game of Morrowind, the amount of topics you had was just, sixteen dictionaries stacked up in a row to even ask a guard for directions to the nearest inn.
stealth + Melee Weapons being one of the most effective meta is the best exemple of this. it's both because of the gamedesign, and the engine. Bethesda makes immersive rpg, not fps.
Yeah, there is a reason terms like soulslike and roguelike exist. They describe a game by comparing it to another known one. It gives a rough overview of what to expect. Remember the time when every shooter was a Doom clone?
@@defaultcheesecake Hahaha it's become something I really look forward to. Serious note: you're knocking it out of the park on these videos boss man. No exaggerating this is my favorite channel.
Banger video, you will hit 100k my dude. At the end of the video, I was surprised I did not see a cheesecake talking to me or whirling around the screen this time haha.
Just watched this video then went back through your catalogue and watched a few more, then I realized you only have 33k and I had just assumed you'd have had a lot more judging by their quality. Your stuff is great, keep it up!
I grew up with FO3 as my first fallout game i played and I think the whole controversy reeks of the schism that seemingly exists with old gaming communities fallout included. for example fallout games vs new fallout game fans or the classic doom vs nudoom or even boom vs udmf debate/schism inside of the doom community. a lot of it seems to be people too attached to one thing or another not willing to admit that their favorite game has flaws and denying that future or past titles did anything better. alsoi find it interesting that people aren't nearly so willing to give fo3 the same benefit of the doubt that fo1 gets. both games are the first entry by that studio in the FO world with new systems added in each subsequent entry. I remember when fo4. and 76 came out most the critisism around fo3 either turned into a muted acceptance or "this was fallout at its best from bethesda!", meanwhile fnv gets labeled the perfect fallout game despite it having more bugs than 3 or 4 on launch. i've got plenty of things i'd love to see in a future fo5 or nv2 more arkane/cyberpunk like level design or more special/perk interactions between you and the world/people in it. for example being able to blow locks off of doors with explosives but alerting anyone inside the interior or having a section of wall destroyable with either a strength check, demolitions check, or a tool/equipment item.
@@iPuls3 Well yes and no. It's more of a jab how dated Starfield is despite being recent. And has as much jank as Oblivion had. Fo4 was janky but Starfield manages to be far worse somehow.. It really does feel like Oblivion in Space rather than Skyrim in Space :P
Starfield wishes it was oblivion in space. Starfield actually killed a lot of the most interesting stuff that started in oblivion, most notably radiant AI which was toned down in Skyrim but completely axed from Starfield, NPCs are more lifeless than they’ve been since morrowind and only exist to stand around and wait for the player.
I liked Oblivion with Guns more than regular Oblivion. Although ask me that question again after Skyblivion and Fallout 4: Capital Wasteland comes out. I think my answer will change.
And the “oblivion with guns” completely backfired because I would’ve much rather taken a fallout 3.5 (skyrim with guns) instead of a fallout 4 base building linear story bs game.
3:39 Also the early S.T.A.L.K.E.R build is named "Oblivion Lost." After this, i am supposed to say some more about it to explain it. i wouldn't because you don't need it.
i started playing Fallout games with NV and then played 1 and 2, so when i got in to fo3 i notice how different the way their games was build with a different mindset but still enjoyed alot because of the thematics, the base gun play being fun and the character build being pretty much the same in all those games. so once i got my hands in oblivion i don't got very stuck on it because while both oblivion and fo3 had a cool map and places to explore, oblivion for me lack the dialog system and options along with having a broken level up system thats is not fun to build and also... welp not having guns
So stupid to get into this argument..its the same game engine..one with fantasy assets one with wasteland assets..of course they play very similar..because under the hood they are the same. "Bethesda game" is just another phrase for "game with that engine". Sometimes gamers can really really act like wine snobs that fight over the color of the grape..
The leveling system in oblivion is so opaque and incomprehensible. It takes 60 minute UA-cam videos to simply describe how to not have a completely broken character by the end of the game and the one that can actually beat the end of the game
To be fair, Morrowind is also notorious for required research although for different reasons of course. That being said, Morrowind is more worth having to do that research than Oblivion imo.
I remember at PAX 2011, I was in a crowd watching the trailer for Skyrim, and I turned to my friend and joked "Wow look it's Fallout with swords" and this neckbeard in front of me turned around and for like, 5 very long seconds, gave me the hardest death glare of my entire life
I'll be real. I assumed this was going to be a let's-play of a gun mod in Oblivion. The reality was significantly more interesting. I had no idea a joke I was aware of had so much depth beyond a simple way of comparing Bethesda games.
I need a mod for FNV and Skyrim where there's a portal vendor who only sells weapons from the opposite games. I need a 1911 in Skyrim and a dragon bone greatsword in FNV.
Also there are way older examples where people and outlets using the term morrowind with guns while explaining Oblivion Lost and not yet revealed Fallout 3
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Fallout New Vegas is the greatest game Bethesda has ever produced if you disagree it is because your wife is a child and your husband is a squirrel
"No clear right or wrong" Your game literally has a karma system, Todd.
And it just..*karmaloss.wav*.. wont..*karmaloss.wav*..stop..*karmaloss.wav*..making..*karmaloss.wav*..itself...*karmaloss.wav*..KNOWN
Isn't the karma system in Fallout 3 really shallow though? I recall New Vegas having a way more polished and functional karma system.
@@SevKast_7 New Vegas does even less with the karma system. It's mostly replaced by the far better reputation system.
@cookieface80 Yeah I was talking about the reputation system, my mistake.
I was working at Gamestop around the time of FarCry 3 and the "Skyrim with guns" ad played about every 5 minutes like clockwork on the tv behind the front counter... it was hellish lol
That's deep bruh. The crazy part, FarCry3 is still a fanfavorite of the franchise LOL
Thank you for your service
Pretty sure that's against the Geneva Accords.
Fun fact: apps and scripts exist that could theoretically port the entirety of oblivion to new vegas. Its already been done with the horses
playing thru all of new vegas then all of oblivion as a high level courier sounds like a peak gaming experience
That actually sounds fun as hell, how does it work?
@@Adriethyl same engine, just with New Vegas on a slightly newer version. So not a big deal. The difference is mostly in the assets and scripting.
Technically Skyrim SE is just Skyrim in the Fallout 4 version of the engine. In fact, I have a couple clothing and hair mods in Fallout 4 that were originally for oblivion.
Isn't there some kind of radiation horse that was in the cut content for fallout NV. I might be wrong
@ilikecinema1234 idk but the new vegas benny comics show horseback NCR troops (probably a lore oversight since horses are non-existent across all other fallout media)
Ironically when i was a kid, i wanted Fallout 1&2 in the style of Daggerfall. Pixel visuals and 1st person open ended specifically. I think I want it even more now honestly
That would be kinda cool. An apocalypse life simulator.
@@plebisMaximus I'd pay good money for that
Polish dev Jonasz Osmenda is working on a fanmade remake of Fallout 2 similar to Daggerfall's style. You can even play the WIP version. It's pretty impressive
GOOD NEWS FOR YOU
SOMEONE'S WORKIN ON A 3D MOD FOR FALLOUT 2 AND IT'S LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT LOOK IT UP RN it's playable but not quite finished yet
@@nikolabaric1140 nah i know about that, its not what im envisioning. Also this idea came as a child when "two games in pc would make them combine. 3d FO2 would be fun to see the game from a different perspective but im talking like it's literally daggerfall, but FO aesthetically. Daggerfall is my first and favorite Bethesda rpg game so I'm probably just baised
So basically, red dead redemption is just gta with horses?
Yes.
Bloodborne is just Dark Souls without a shield.
Kirby is just Super Mario with cannibalism
Cyberpunk 2077 is just Deus Ex with Keanu.
star wars outlaws was pitched as "red dead redemption in space" inside ubisoft.
it doesn't help that (aside form New Vegas to F3) Fallout 3 and Oblivion are the closest too each other than any other Bethesda games. only 2 years apart, and the most similar on a technical level, since they're running on almost same version of the engine.
Bruh, i remember some wierdo modded in guns from Fallout 3 into Oblivion and didnt even have to do that much to make them work LOL it was basically plug & play
Some people managed to restore some functionalities from Oblivion into 3 and NV too! Like the Book menus and more impressively, horses!
@@SwedishEmpire1700If it were that easy, fallout 4 would have gotten Skyrim Horses by now since it used the same engine.
@@joshwist556It actually didn’t use the same engine. It was an updated version of the same engine, which was used as the basd for Skyrim SE.
@@joshwist556it got one back in 2017, it’s all the same engine, that’s why you can find references to magic schools that were last in morrowind in starfield files
we honestly need to stop shaming reuse of assets thats why we have games with such bloated budgets and file sizes now, Reusing assets is totally fine, the Issue with bethesda is they could have don't more while they reused parts of oblivion and the improvement was bare. New Vegas was almost 90% reused assets from fallout 3 but the improvements lied elsewhere such as the writing, and it still feels like an entirely different game
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New Vegas wasnt even made by Bethesda, just published, so thats why it feel like a better written game LOL
@@SwedishEmpire1700 90% of the work in producing a video game is making assets and source code for your engine to run stable. Bethesda did 90% of the technical work, and that is why FNV was able to have the most recorded lines of any video game in history up to that point. They were given a sandbox. It is not very different in practice to fan made mod games like Fallout London.
Idk it looks like Rockstar is reusing assets from GTA 5, Online and even GTA 4 judging by the trailer for GTA 6 and it took them 11 years to make it.
@@thee-wastegamer4044 Of course of couse its the work of your precious Bethesda deffinitely not Obsidian why that game was so so much better! Telling that New Vegas is good because Bethesda is like telling that any unreal engina game is good only thanks to Epic not to its developer. Bethesda gave them that crap engine and showed them how to use it thats it...
Good little member of the Todd the Godd cult you are!
“Jak 3 is just Jak 2 with sand. It’s rough, corse, & gets everywhere”.
Thank you for this.
May the Precursors have mercy on you.
@@AskTorin My Dark Eco addiction already ravaged my spirit.
Sir, a Mr.Cheesecake upload has hit the North tower.
Cream cheese can't melt steel beams.
The south is next boy
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Type shit
Ladies and gentlemen we got em
And now we have Fallout in Space after Skyrim with Guns.
After seeing the melee combat in Starfield i am genuinely scared to see ES6
Hopefully next we’ll have Fallout with Guns…. Wait a minute….
@@keepitclean8791honestly I didn’t like the melee combat that much in Fallout 4. I defend Starfield for a lot of things but Christ that melee combat is even worse, and I NEVER want to play a melee build in Starfield. I really hope it’s like this because Melee weapons aren’t seen as the optimal way to play and ES6 combat will be like Skyrim or Oblivion’s. But if not, Christ.
Except Starfield is so egregious that the Fallout comparison isn't even fair because at least the Fallout games are actually fun to play as opposed to Starfield. Yes, even Fallout 4. That's how you know Bethesda truly fucked up this time.
Then next we’ll have Starfield on Earth
I forgot I was redownloading Fallout 3 while watching this. At 2:23, the title screen popped up, blasting loud as fuck so much that I couldn't hear the video. I thought that was the joke until I realized it was my own game -_-
Good times
19:38 Starfield is the exception. It literally is “Skyrim in Space.” You are the Starborn (Dragonborn). You journey to shrines and obtain magical Powers (Dragonshouts). The Gravity Wave power is EXACTLY the same as the Unrelenting Force shout (FUS RO DAH!). Bethesda really “phoned it in” with Starfield.
yeah except starfield sucks and skyrim is one of the best games of all time
@ 💯% Agree
@@lennyface5540 Nah, skyrim sucks. Starfield atleast had the benefit of being it's own thing(you should have expected what it was given Bethesda's last 10+ years), while Skyrim tainted the games that came before it.
@@depressedcheems9961 using your logic that just proves how low the bar apparently was and how starfield couldn’t even manage to reach it
Give the Hero a K'vatch a Tesla Cannon or a minigun and he can solo Mehrunes Dagon himself.
It's funny that, contrary to all the other examples, calling '76 "Fallout with a multiplayer mod" was actually overselling the game massively. Ditto with "Skyrim in space". That would've been way cooler than what was actually delivered with Starfield
Fallout 76 is really dam good now tho. Love that game
@@98maplestory mehh I downloaded it this year and played it for the first time. Didn't make it more than 8 hours before I stopped playing. Absolutely sauceless in my opinion
@@justinferraro1926it’s far better with a buddy or two. I had a good time but it got kinda old fast. I haven’t played it again in a good min lol
@@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099 yeah I mean ANY game is better with friends. If 76 is fun with friends, it's because playing with your friends is fun. 76 itself is not a fun game
@ yeah that’s fair. I liked 76 for a bit but it gets stale fast after you beat the campaign(s)
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IDK why 16:11 is so funny to me
also nothing happens in the 3rd era after Martin dying, so the IVth Annual Cyrodiil Games takes place in an alternate universe. A Dragon Break, for the lore nerds.
@@jonskillings1258”nothing happens”
>Titus Mede
>Great War
>Talos worship outlawed
@@Otterdisappointment Titus Mede II was made emperor in 4e 168, the great war started in 171, and ended with the White Gold Condcordat (baning of Talos worship) in 175.
The loading screen says "The Fourth Era began 200 years ago when Martin Septim sacrificed himself to save the world from the Oblivion Crisis", so as far as the official timeline is concerned, when you see it happen in Oblivion, the era changes.
@@jonskillings1258 I know the 4th era starts then but his choice of words was clear
'Oblivion with guns' is what got me to first start playing Fallout games lol.
One of the best channels on YT imo, you cover such cool somewhat niche topics and the editing is and humor is on point
Thinking on it, especially with the intro of the phrase being used for STALKER of all things, "oblivion with guns" might have been that era's "doom clone" or "soulslike"
Exactly. It's a simple phrase that gives a very simple overview on what to expect, but misses out on all the details.
Stalker is indeed like Oblivion with guns, but simultaneously nothing like it.
As somebody who was in the "gamer ideological trenches" of the fallout fandom when the fandom found out that Oblivion was being made, it was not a neutral term.
It was a term uttered with scathing contempt that Bethesda would dare profane our beloved isometric turn-based fallout with such commercial trappings.
Back in late 2004-2005, such a term was used as an invitation to have an argument and insult somebody's gaming preferences about what was to be done with the fallout franchise.
I'm still waiting for the mad man to port Oblivion's content into a TTW style mod. I would come back to New Vegas just for that alone.
It would be really fun to blast through Oblivion gates with shotguns. Like getting a whole new Doom game.
Bring Arcade Gannon with for good measure
@@plebisMaximus the daedra: your life is forfeit
the courier: this is my boomstick!
I am happy that I have found a superior and non-scumbag alternative to Internet Historian.
Meme aside this just proves the self-made corners that Bethesda has made for themselves
and shitty solutions to problems that didn't exist
and bullshit solutions to problems that didn't exist
If they now manage to make that corner fun and comfortable to be in, I see nothing wrong with it.
The problem is that they do sort of the opposite.
HI AGAIN
with the caveat that I only saw this because I dig the channel:
I don't know what an ELFCON is, but DEFCON is a scale from 1 to 5 with 1 being "we think nuclear war could be moments away" and 5 being "ok it's never safe enough to be a dumbass about it"
Confusion on how it works sometimes makes people scared for no reason
Yeah, "fun" fact: I realized that Morrowind actually HAS a map about mid-late game. Before that I had to find locations by literally reading directions in a quest journal (I also didn't have good PC back then so I played with minimal render distance as well, which adds to it). I mean, were those descriptions a meme because I was not the only person who realized that you can open a map by clicking on a minimap in inventory screen or just because those descriptions were well done?
You can even pin the map to have a persistent minimap. Oh, and the game originally came with a large paper map, with lots of locations on it.
But I would appreciate if more games would add directions again. Fells more natural to explain people the way if they've never been to a place.
That obviously wouldn't invalidate a floating quest marker, but it would give us a choice.
Don't forget that elden ring is just dark souls but with horses
Todd's whole career has been nothing but meme after meme. So unlucky yet so funny
I don't know if I'd say unlucky. Man made 150 million off of the Microsoft acquisition after all.
Never heard of this channel before, and was expecting a modded oblivion playthrough and not a documentary type video. I am PLEASANTLY pleased, great video.
So The Elder Scrolls 6 or Fallout 5 will be marketed as "Starfield with swords" or "Starfield with nukes"? 😂
It better be
Fallout 3 actually did a good job as a reboot. Vats was actually built up enough that if you spec into it you can basically play it like a turn based game. Not to mention they nailed the atmosphere and had both cool new things like mirelurks and old favorites like radscorpions.
The biggest criticism I usually see is the 'Go find X family member. But honestly this really only popped up after Fallout 4 did it again. Fallout 3 shouldn't be criticized for something a later game did.
As someone who started with 3 then in anticipation for FNV did all the other Fallouts (and still playing the classics at least twice a year per playthroughs), Fallout 3 not only did a poor job but also shat on the formula by imposing something that Fallout never was :
A world devoided of interesting world building and where fighting is the main way to progress in the game.
If for you the atmosphere was alright, replaying Fallout 3 (through a near bugless and updated FNV mod called TTW) made me realise how the game has not only poor world design, but also poor game design and world design. People lives in shacks and unclean streets while living off a scavenger economy. No farm, no clear economy. They basically re-used concepts from classic Fallout that were Atom Punk and slapped it over their Oblivion engine without anymore thoughts like Bottlecaps being a logical currency or how the BoS are so far in the East and even recieved continuous reinforcement until Lyons and Casdin made schism in the Eastern BoS. The vaults are also bad experiments, in the sense that in Tim Cain's original outline for vaults is that they are experiments for the Enclave to retrieve data for their space exploration to a habitable planet. Thats why you had experiments like Vault 15, 22, 13, 53 or 69 made sense in the context of building a Colony Ship and recolting useful data to go out and have a safe prosperous voyage in space to a habitable planet.
Now in comparaison, in terms of world building you have Tempenny Tower, they are all rich for some reason and thats it. Some old mercs live there but the economy doesnt help to sell a living a breathing world where I feel immersed. When people talk about atmosphere, its just roaming dead streets with a chilling sound. It can be fine as long as you ignore all the dumb shit you can find in Fallout 3.
The story in Fallout 3, the big parts, dont make any sense. The ending capstones that nonsense. That was the worst part, imo.
Broken steel sorta fixed the ending. Still bad but not pure cancer bad.
Whats wrong with searching your dad Liam Neeson
@@whyareyouevenreadingmyname950 Oh I agree. It was pretty original the first time.
@@whyareyouevenreadingmyname950 everything else.
Even him leaving the vault without you is kinda arbitrary.
I mean, in the end game of Morrowind, the amount of topics you had was just, sixteen dictionaries stacked up in a row to even ask a guard for directions to the nearest inn.
I’m here for the delightful editing.
Wow the split second where you showed the HAM radio podcast really made me feel ike i was in 6th grade playing fallout 3 in my closet
stealth + Melee Weapons being one of the most effective meta is the best exemple of this. it's both because of the gamedesign, and the engine. Bethesda makes immersive rpg, not fps.
I don't know what I expected when I clicked on this video, but I was both surprised and entertained by it. good job
this video taught me that the Fallout fanbase has always been extremely whiny. I didn't know that. I thought that was a newer thing.
This Channel is just Internet Historian without Plagarism.
and nazi dogwhistles
9:41 actually got me
Always a good day when cheesecake uploads
You're about to make me mod "Oblivion With Guns" again.
Third era? More like NERD ERA!
We always have an easier time using what exists as a template. Theres this, skyrim with guns, and the dreaded "like dark souls with ____"
Yeah, there is a reason terms like soulslike and roguelike exist. They describe a game by comparing it to another known one. It gives a rough overview of what to expect.
Remember the time when every shooter was a Doom clone?
An upload from the man.... The myth.... The cake made from dairy that pairs well with cherries!
Just when I think he can't possibly come up with a new way to say Default Cheesecake....he strikes. Appreciate the support my guy!
@@defaultcheesecake Hahaha it's become something I really look forward to. Serious note: you're knocking it out of the park on these videos boss man. No exaggerating this is my favorite channel.
Banger video, you will hit 100k my dude. At the end of the video, I was surprised I did not see a cheesecake talking to me or whirling around the screen this time haha.
isnt this just cheesecake with guns
Just watched this video then went back through your catalogue and watched a few more, then I realized you only have 33k and I had just assumed you'd have had a lot more judging by their quality. Your stuff is great, keep it up!
it's was a review for stalker that said oblivions with gun ???!! :0
Dude the editing and sound effects in your videos are so fucking gold, thank you for making these
Wait I thought you were going to install gun mods to oblivion and do a playthrough...
lol same
"The jar of CnetBrittle had been opened"
Holy shit, wish I was using that one back in the early 2000's..
1:50 the freaking original MW2 level up sound in the background, absolutely S-tier sonic storytelling
By Azura’s Wrath! A Mr.Cheesecake upload.
Oh Boy! Seanut Brittle!
*2nd upload strikes the South Tower
So glad this randomyl popped up in my feed. Awesome vid
Skooma jokes are golden, true OG.
Erm... the 3rd era ends when Martin Septim defeats Mehrunes Dagon. So this would be the 4th era.☝🤓
this is like a youtube video.. with guns
I grew up with FO3 as my first fallout game i played and I think the whole controversy reeks of the schism that seemingly exists with old gaming communities fallout included. for example fallout games vs new fallout game fans or the classic doom vs nudoom or even boom vs udmf debate/schism inside of the doom community. a lot of it seems to be people too attached to one thing or another not willing to admit that their favorite game has flaws and denying that future or past titles did anything better.
alsoi find it interesting that people aren't nearly so willing to give fo3 the same benefit of the doubt that fo1 gets. both games are the first entry by that studio in the FO world with new systems added in each subsequent entry.
I remember when fo4. and 76 came out most the critisism around fo3 either turned into a muted acceptance or "this was fallout at its best from bethesda!", meanwhile fnv gets labeled the perfect fallout game despite it having more bugs than 3 or 4 on launch.
i've got plenty of things i'd love to see in a future fo5 or nv2 more arkane/cyberpunk like level design or more special/perk interactions between you and the world/people in it. for example being able to blow locks off of doors with explosives but alerting anyone inside the interior or having a section of wall destroyable with either a strength check, demolitions check, or a tool/equipment item.
Oblivion was Deus Ex without guns.
Thought this was a Mitten Squad video for a second.
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This channel is like cheese with cake
The production value, the videos, man you deserve more views, I just randomly found your channel and im now going throu all fallout content lol
Starfield is not Skyrim in Space...
Starfield is Oblivion in Space
That's actually more of a compliment.
@@iPuls3 Well yes and no. It's more of a jab how dated Starfield is despite being recent. And has as much jank as Oblivion had. Fo4 was janky but Starfield manages to be far worse somehow.. It really does feel like Oblivion in Space rather than Skyrim in Space :P
Starfield wishes it was oblivion in space.
Starfield actually killed a lot of the most interesting stuff that started in oblivion, most notably radiant AI which was toned down in Skyrim but completely axed from Starfield, NPCs are more lifeless than they’ve been since morrowind and only exist to stand around and wait for the player.
I agree with this. I couldn’t tell you exactly why but playing Starfield felt more like Oblivion than any other BGS title
Untrue, Oblivion is actually kinda fun.
19:31 I was not expecting to see a Cool Cat Saves the Kids reference in 2024 lmaooo
I liked Oblivion with Guns more than regular Oblivion. Although ask me that question again after Skyblivion and Fallout 4: Capital Wasteland comes out. I think my answer will change.
5:18 240p, bootleg audio compression, Blow Me Away, shitty gameplay, fraps/bandicam watermark, clickbait hoax modded Oblivion video
I miss those days
I made myself a nice "Unregistered HyperCam 2" watermark that I can put into videos just for the lulz.
so early i unlocked custom cheesecake
7:53 RIP Mitten Squad 🫡🫶
0:06 no, welcome back, Default Cheesecake
You forgot about when FarCry Primal came out, and some people called it “Skyrim without guns”
And the “oblivion with guns” completely backfired because I would’ve much rather taken a fallout 3.5 (skyrim with guns) instead of a fallout 4 base building linear story bs game.
Never considered it, but that woulda been cool. Fallout 4 plays a lot better though
Don't worry, far cry 3 is Skyrim with guns
@@davidburnett5049 It simply needs more depth, besides that it's a fine game, just not a good Fallout RPG.
LETS GO NEW VIDEOOOO
3:39 Also the early S.T.A.L.K.E.R build is named "Oblivion Lost."
After this, i am supposed to say some more about it to explain it. i wouldn't because you don't need it.
"Oblivion with guns" is how I was introduced to the fallout series. "Oblivion with guns" in reference to STALKER infuriates me.
It’s basically cake with cheese
i started playing Fallout games with NV and then played 1 and 2, so when i got in to fo3 i notice how different the way their games was build with a different mindset but still enjoyed alot because of the thematics, the base gun play being fun and the character build being pretty much the same in all those games.
so once i got my hands in oblivion i don't got very stuck on it because while both oblivion and fo3 had a cool map and places to explore, oblivion for me lack the dialog system and options along with having a broken level up system thats is not fun to build and also... welp not having guns
As stalker fan I feel offended, I probably need to take a shower after this
I'm tired now, every FPS is just duck hunt with turning
Great editing dude you’re my favorite channel 👍
Starfield is Oblivion with space AND guns, and I had fun with it
ES6: Fallout with Magic
So stupid to get into this argument..its the same game engine..one with fantasy assets one with wasteland assets..of course they play very similar..because under the hood they are the same. "Bethesda game" is just another phrase for "game with that engine". Sometimes gamers can really really act like wine snobs that fight over the color of the grape..
I wish Starfield was Skyrim in space.
Nah, I think Starfield should be more than just a modding platform.
6:23 the complete dismissal of tactics here is fitting for it's reputation
Starfield is just skyrim with guns in space but everything is fast travel
The fact you haven't made a joke about Oblivion Lost is crazy to me
are you talking about stalker's pre release name?
@Timsturbs Yes and no. There is Oblivion Lost and then there is the Stalker Oblivion Lost. SoC, OL and Stalker OL are three different things.
I need to replay Fallout 3 at some point.
The leveling system in oblivion is so opaque and incomprehensible. It takes 60 minute UA-cam videos to simply describe how to not have a completely broken character by the end of the game and the one that can actually beat the end of the game
To be fair, Morrowind is also notorious for required research although for different reasons of course. That being said, Morrowind is more worth having to do that research than Oblivion imo.
Just like when armored core VI was announced "is it like elden ring" plastered on every article
I remember at PAX 2011, I was in a crowd watching the trailer for Skyrim, and I turned to my friend and joked "Wow look it's Fallout with swords" and this neckbeard in front of me turned around and for like, 5 very long seconds, gave me the hardest death glare of my entire life
I like how this evolves into "Starfield is just fallout in space."
Aris fan detected = new subscriber also editing was unique and fresh and funny thank you for making this good sir
I'll be real. I assumed this was going to be a let's-play of a gun mod in Oblivion. The reality was significantly more interesting. I had no idea a joke I was aware of had so much depth beyond a simple way of comparing Bethesda games.
Here I was thinking you were just finna download a mod that adds guns to oblivion and run through some quests or dungeons lmao
damn. you didn't have to go so hard with the editing
Woah a PKA clip!
I need a mod for FNV and Skyrim where there's a portal vendor who only sells weapons from the opposite games. I need a 1911 in Skyrim and a dragon bone greatsword in FNV.
Fallout 76: THE FORMAT IS CRUMBLING
starfield: w haT ịs 4maţ
Also there are way older examples where people and outlets using the term morrowind with guns while explaining Oblivion Lost and not yet revealed Fallout 3
Oof I forgot about Adam Kovic. RIP Funhaus, he fuckin killed it
As a part of the subculture that played Skyrim, then Fallout 4, I totally thought that shit was Skyrim with guns when I first started it up
Fallout 3 feels like it came out a couple years before Oblivion...