Should Baldur's Gate 3 Be The Industry Standard? | Dropped Frames Episode 360
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The boys are joined by fellow adventurer DansGaming this week to finally have a chat about Baldur's Gate 3! Is it too good? Should it be the base line for AAA games going forward? Is that fair to other developers? Is Starfield okay? We answer all these quests and more on this week's episode!
0:00 - 0:50 - Dan is here
3:30 - Vendor trash
6:50 - IGN Baldur's Gate 3 video
30:00 - Baldur's Gate 3
49:20 - Small spoilers
1:07:00 - Freedom of choice
1:38:00 - Player stats
1:50:00 - Another small spoiler
1:56:50 - Starfield vs. Baldur's Gate 3
2:05:35 - Dan's Bethesda TED Talk
2:17:45 - Cyberpunk
2:29:10 - Overwatch 2 launches on Steam
2:34:20 - Keith David carries on the legacy of Commander Zavala
2:35:30 - THQ Nordic Showcase
2:37:40 - Rockstar buys FiveM
2:44:55 - Dark and Darker returns
2:47:40 - Palia
2:51:35 - EVO 2023
2:56:30 - Sengoku Dynasty
2:59:00 - Shoutouts
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Yes. A feature complete game without predatory MTX made by a team that truly cares about the product they’re making should be the industry standard.
and it all began with horse armor... fking bethesda...
The only correct answer.
This isn't new. There have been games that have done this since the dawn of gaming. What is the new standard?
@@LymeGreen04 no thats how it was, before constant online gaming and patching, and figuring out they make 1000x more money on micro transactions, than subscription model, etc
EDIT: hell even after most games went fully digital, and 80% of the cost of the games were the CD's and casing, they kept the price the same and even raised it,
The thing is Obsidian and Insomniac devs are the ones who made the comments and they talked about scopes of games being 6 year projects and how it should not be an industry norm. The whole topic got taken out of context to suit another narrative @@Sub-zp2gs
AAA Devs: Baldur's Gate 3 is making us look bad
Swen Kenobi: You have done that yourself!
seriously AAA games have been going downhill for pretty much the last decade before BG3 even started.
The sad thing is that, this used to be the standard for RPGs that everyone wanted to emulate. Bioware used to do this. Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect, KOTOR. These were all games that were made before the huge push to live service games. Even games like Fable were pushing the boundaries at the time. Obviously with today's tech, BG3 is better, but if you look at those games as products of their time, BG3 isnt really that far-fetched of an expectation. We have just allowed the bar to be continually lowered over the last several years.
Man, this isn't even true. Tears of the Kingdom, Jedi Survivor, RE4 Remake, Baldurs gate 3, Elden Ring, God of war Ragnarok, Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Spider Man. The list goes on and on of AAA games that are better than ever.
Are there lots of bad ones? Yes, but they are not ALL going the wrong direction. This is such a pessimistic view and a wrong one.
@Kmaitland89 Jedi Survivor is grossly overrated and was indeed broken at launch. Ragnorak was kind of a mess with its pacing and with FF16 upstaging it with boss fights is a little sad to look back on. Re4 Remake was really good but Capcom's scummyness know no bounds with Ada dlc dead silent as well as holding Wesker and Ada hostage from mercenaries as well. Tears of Kingdom although very great still has the stink of the first one with all its flaws as well but that said I would concede with Elden Ring and Tears being great examples of AAA industry still making bangers.
@@theobell2002i think you missed the point, They aren’t saying Fable and Kotor are as complex and well made as BG 3, they are saying that FOR THE TIME they were released, they pushed the boundaries of games with what limited tech they had, obviously BG3 is much more complex and has a lot more content, but it also was released in 2023 instead of 2003-2004
@@Kmaitland89 Obviously not EVERY game in the last ten years is a horrible cashgrab, but if you look at all the big studios and take the average of all the games they have been making, you will definitely see a trend where the industry is moving away from consumer-friendly behaviors. Im not seeing BOTW developers complaining about BG3.
@@aytony4090now we are even saying GoW Ragnarok is not up to standard..... i actually feel pity for devs at this point.
Love seeing Dan he just hit 14 years on Twitch legend
That's crazy. Is he the longest-running streamer on Twitch? I know Day9 has been there a long time too, and probably some others.
hell yeah Dan S Gaming my favorite 4th member of the show :D
Twitch hasnt been around for 14 years. But sure hes been there since the beginning and I guess justintv before that.
@@Monnisti yes it was Twitch was called Justin TV that started 17 years ago they renamed it twitch when Amazon bought it
@fatmatt6669 exactly what i said my friend. We arw both right
People have a right to complain about industry standards refusing to compete with Baldurs Gate 3. Market competition is the reason capitalism thrives and if devs and publishers refuse to match the market thats on them.
Not what the origional dev tweets were about at all but people just took them out of context and refused to read what the devs actually said
Execs at EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Blizzard, etc would have to take a pay cut to compete and that's not happening. Devs at X company be like, "We would never be able to match this" (from their experience working at X company), not the devs fault though, particularly the smaller companies/indies. But big publishers don't have an excuse.
When I say market competition, I mean within the same price bracket. Of course a 20 dollar game shouldnt compete with a hundred dollar game, but any game requesting a hundred dollars plus micro should absolutely be held to the same or higher standard than BG3. If they cant meet the demand, that isnt the customers fault. Blame the publishers and execs for being greedy or blame the industry as a whole for normalizing it, but when better options exist for your products price range, that is certainly not the customers fault and its not on the customer to fix the issue.
baldurs gate is an unreasonbly excessive game, it just is its like red dead redemtion 2, great games but i don't expect or want every game to be like that. Lets put it this way as someone who likes crpgs, if every crpg has to be like baldurs gate 3 now, the crpg genre would cease to exist.
Plus lets be real no studio can sustainably make games like baldurs gate 3 its just too much work, part of the point devs are making is that they would actually like to go home and see their families at some point, and lets be real this level of detail for the most part does not happen on a comfortable 9-5 schedule
@@synthiandrakon I fully agree, but when it comes down to it, the consumer shouldnt be the ones taking the blame when FIFA is more expensive than BG3 and demands more on top of that, and NBA games have to tell their consumers to petition the belgium government to change their gambling laws if they want to play. Thats a much deeper problem than player expectation.
Larian: "A game can have abundance of choices with actual consequences."
Bethesda: surprised pikatchu face
Would be superb if they could get Sven on again and get his post release take on BG3 and perhaps what the future holds for BG3 and Larian
Only if Zeke asks the same question again 😂😂
I am so glad it is the highest rated game on Opencritic. May even be the first even 98! Every gamer deserves this win, not just Larian!
Cohh totally missed the mark about the Dev/IGN discussion. People want all games to be this polished (or at least AAA games), not just talking about CRPG's. There's 0, zilch, nada, reason a AAA game shouldn't be this quality in all aspects, from RTS's to FPS's to colony sims and city builders they all should be highly polished but they are pushing out crappy battlepasses and mtx but not putting out as quality and feature complete games
It bothers me still that he didn''t get this.
In terms of having a complete game with no MTX that's already a standard with story/non-live service games.
BG3 is once in a lifetime masterpiece of a juggenaut in the CRPG space. As someone who has over 100hours and is a fan of old school CRPG's I'm extremely happy and somewhat shocked that it's doing this numbers and reaching so much mainstream appeal..love to see it.
Well deserved congrats to Larian and everyone involved...they went above and beyond with this game.
In regards to BG3 junk selling, you just have to start the conversation with the highest charisma character, then you can just swap to the "mule" and sell stuff.
Rob all the items in the shops inv and sell it back to them, just like real life.
@@VorpalSnakat least this time there are no buckets involved. Hopefully ..
I personally haven't noticed any difference in vendor prices based on charisma of my characters. If it does exists, it's likely pretty minor and a huge swap-aroo is probably unneccessary aswell since you can make plenty of coin in the game either way.
@@Nr4747a cha character tends to only have 8 to 10 str. Your main will usually be the one you vend with. So making sure they donate enough gold worth of items or just straight gold gets them to green and means 30% better transaction. But you have to have them start the vend everytime to make sure to keep the benefit.
@@delphidelion Ah, interesting, I didn't know that.
The difference is Larian deliver games, everyone else delivers a product. While Larian is measuring fun everyone else is measuring engagement metrics. The longer you keep a consumer engaged, the more they spend in your shops, buying the battle passes, the cosmetics, whatever else you're selling. Therefore the most important thing is to find (to them) ways to keep people playing, and the cost-effective way to do that is to design systems that increase that engagement metric - which is to say - make things take longer to achieve.
I think its a fundamental difference in philosophy. Larian are making money making games, as opposed to making games to make money. Their highest priority is the game, where others priority is the profit.
Not every game needs a character creator. Id argue most don't, its only in a game like baludrs gate that it feels meaningful. A lot of character creators are fuck around for 20 minutes and then it doesn't matter for the rest of the game
Probably the best episode of the year. Amazing guest and topics
Everyone knows that Larian/BG3 is an anomaly, but we also know that this was the standard 20 years ago. Game studios being run by passionate gamers that made games they wanted to play was the norm in the 90s and early 00s. Now they are run by business men that don't even play games and focus entirely on the profit potential. People are mad because Larian reminds us of what gaming used to be. They're an echo from a better era, and it's depressing that this style of game development is now considered an anomaly.
Blizzard, for one! I worry about Larian, because the Dark Knight line is proven with Blizzard: you either die a hero, or live long enough to be a villain.
@@LakeVermilionDreamsto be fair, Larian has been around since the 90s too, and they're sticking to that way of making games.
I would be having a nervous breakdown if I was working on the dragon age 4 team. Thats probably the game I can think of whose reception will be harmed the most by baldurs gate. Especially since they have conciously deviated from the origins (pun intended) of the series.
And the series has suffered for it. Still the best one and only one I managed to actually complete was Origins. The rest I struggle to stick with and find I lose interest in.
@@Khryss-jr7ju for real. I see inquisition praised alot but it felt quite boring to me and a far far far shot from the quality of Origins.
On the long rest thing. You can long rest to get story/character elements without consuming supplies you simply choose not to use supplies and as a result you get a free long rest for story elements even if you don't recover stats.
Cohh: "I don't think I've ever save-scummed"
The Literal Narrator of the Game: "I'm talking to you CohhCarnage and your savescumming ways"
Yes I understand he was being facetious. It's still funny.
I'm a little sad that joke kind of flew past the panel, I thought it was hilarious and deserved a good chuckle.
If i pay full price for a AAA game i expect:
- a full-release game not a half-finished game.
- A game that does not require DLC to finish or unlock more of the game
- A game that does not have blocked content behind season and battle passes
- A game that is not crashing every 10 fcken minutes
- A game that is not trying to bleed me dry after i just gave them 70 bucks.
If AAA gaming can't give me that, i won't, i repeat i won't buy them anymore.
the state of AAA gaming has actually been surpassed by gacha gaming in that you can play any gacha game for free, and have the same level of experience, with the same amount of content, same amount of microtransactions, same amount of online play, same amount of bps, skins etc and NEVER PAY A CENT.
ABSOLUTELY BG3 SHOULD BE THE STANDARD.
If a person is a Dev, a AAA dev and is telling me that they are gamers just like me, and they don't want to but they have to - i call bs. Not because they have to do it, but they aren't prisoners, they don't have to work in that environment. The truth is they don't care as long as they are getting paid. They are the bad guys in this scenario
" oh i hate oil but wait, im gonna work in oil and gas".... WTF?
BG3's success feels like my team just won the World Championship.
Bad take from Cohh. Every AAA companies have more ressources, and they have the same or more experience ( how many CoD are there? How many Battlefieds? FIFA? Halo?) Baldur's gate is not an anomaly, AAA just can't be bothered to actually try
100% agree. He's making excuses for these people. We all should be holding these companies to higher standards to make quality products that don't aim to rip us off. Enough with the defeatist attitude people have about microtransactions, buggy releases and subpar products
Disagreed.
In your definition, any game under a 9.7/10 would be trash?
Of course BG3 is an anomaly lol
Also just to be clear, "being an anomaly" in this case is not a bad thing. But it definitely is
It's by definition an anomaly. No one else has achieved what Larian did. At the end of the day, big companies are controlled by profit margins first, the creative process is in service of it. That's why they can't achieve this.
Game dev here, every AAA game that got made and is actually "good" is an anomaly, especially when it comes to projects as massive as this, there are simply so many moving pieces which hinges on each other moving in every directions, it is in general far more likely for things to go wrong than to go right. Most AAA productions, especially new IPs gets canceled before they are even announced. The games which you actually heard of are already the tip of the iceberg, beneath that there's a graveyard of canceled projects. Having the resources, the people and the experience is not enough, you need one hell of a leadership to see things into finish in the right shape, and that's the part which is the hardest to come by, especially when the leaderships are only looking at numbers. Devs usually have to spend more energy fighting the leaderships than actually working on the game. BD3 IS an anomaly because Swen Vincke is an anomaly of a leader, most projects do not have leadership like that, a lot of project do not even have leaders who play games, either that or you get people who only play games and don't know production.
I agree. A lot of these AAA dev studios have been making the same game for over a decade. They have huge resources, staff, and experience in their field/genre (some of them many times what Larian has, even now), and they still cannot make a complete and fit to purpose game at launch. I'd amend your statement to say that Baldur's gate IS an anomaly, because the devs DID work hard to make it as good as it could be. It just should NOT be an anomaly in the AAA scene. And yet most small INDY studios are out-creating giant AAA studios. I've heard a lot of people attempt to blame project leadership, or shareholders and whatnot... and do not get me wrong, They are going to be just as shitty... but you can see these issues down at the dev level. Releasing broken games, terrible balance/patch changes, a lack of knowledge on how their own games work etc. It is quite astonishing just how many games have done the bare minimum these days.
I haven't been so engrossed in a game since i was a kid. I go to work and all i can think about is what i'll do in BG3 that day.
Thanks so much, needed a podcast with people who have actually played a significant amount of the game. Everyone else is talking about content I cleared in the first day or two. An all time game IMO so far, just started act 3.
I like how Zeke said he probably wasn't going to play it too much...puts in like 40 hrs lol
@@shadowace940 zeke is just notorious for playing games slower than everyone else for whatever reason.
Something I recommend everyone. Don't do things you dont think are interesting. Skip side quests if you dont wanna do them, dont just work through your quests. Do what you like the game gives you enough power and loot.
Regarding the discussion about dipping: if you don't have a candle or another source of fire, you can dip you weapon in Karlach. And that's not an euphemism.
Hell yeah! Time for the real weekend programming. Thanks for the quick upload as always.
Hell yeah it should be a standard for AAA developers. Their AAA for a reason.
*They're
I don't think people are saying they want every game to be BG3 in terms of scope and breadth of content. I don't even think MTX is the core issue. What people wanna see more from AAAs is deeper gameplay, characters you can connect with that are memorable and rich in personality, dialogue that's compelling and makes you give a shit about the story, and a world that's dense and alive and isn't padded out the ass with fluff and vapid filler. Modern AAA games have become increasingly lifeless as they've grown in scale, fidelity and budget, and BG3 stands out by being anything but lifeless. That should be the main takeaway here. It isn't that we need every game to be 100hr-long grand RPGs with 2 million voice lines, we're asking AAAs to put some god damn humanity into their games
What i want to see is creativity. Most AAA games from Ubisoft, EA, ActiBlizz are just copy & paste stuff from already existing games.
Having a new world or a detailed, historically accurate map of Paris in your game is great. But what's the point if everything done in it is the same, or just subpar and uninteresting?
@@docw85
EA, Ubisoft, Blizzard copy pasting: "Bad!"
FromSoft copy pasting: "What an industry saver! 10/10 GOTY!"
step 1: load a box or barrel full of explosive devices, of your choosing (or mix for wacky crazy bombs)
step 2: give barrel full of explosives to high strength barbarian or character, give them items that increase throw damage for extra effect.
step 3: get into fight with alot of characters or high health character
step 4: chuck the barrel full of explosives at middle of group or high priority target or boss.
step 5: if maximum explosive effort is not met, allow ranged character to plink remaining explosives that spill from cracked barrel, put on sunglasses, and walk away.
I love that more people are experiencing 5e. The rule set is rather elegant in what it allows. Not graceful in how that works out per se. But the things it decides are important and the way it organizes itself is, in the scope of combination. Nothing it does happens in a vacuum. Everything interacts in some manner, allowing the rule set to cover it.
The amount of time looking up how RAW interactions, and realizing that in fact you CAN do what I thought you might be able too is excellent. The Sage Advice stuff usually is clarification, to reconfirm, and so you can take it to your DM with some degree of legitimacy. I’m probably some degree of Munchkin, Rules Lawyer. But mostly because that is the part of the game I like. So I don’t think I let that harsh anyone else’s buzz. The story slides over that stuff for me. Some play the opposite, but even then knowing the mechanical part works there. You just have to explain how the play drapes over the machine so nothing sticks too far out from under there.
Dan blinking silently is the cutest thing ever
Early in the game I'm just looking for a ring in a barn and to my surprise ended up in a human mushroom colony underground.. It's so much fun how unpredictable this game is.
I only ever will play Githyanki. My 1st playthrough I was a mf'in Space Paladin, and that's the coolest thing to me. I pledged an Oath to my Silver Sword to seek vengeance against all the dirty Mind Flayers in the Planes. Githyanki felt better and better, both in gameplay and story, the further I progressed.
Yes Baldur's Gate 3 should be the Gold Industry Standard
Be very nice, but realistically don't think it will be. Not that other devs don't have the talent/time needed to make it happen. Mostly because big company publishers won't do it, like Blizzard, EA, Ubisoft. They want profit, making a game just for gamers and just.. a straight up product for enjoyment is secondary goal. Profit and making a game to make profit is their real goal. All those companies who make rpg type games always insert MTX, cosmetics, add-on, battle passes. More effort typically is put into those system then what Larian has done with cinematics, music, narrative, gameplay system, world design, etc.
Larian is the gold standard of game made for gamers
It can't be. Be realistic
@@LordlyWeeb Enjoy your trash then
I cant be. Be idealistic.@@LordlyWeeb
@Kyriac Games should always strive to be better but the fact is that as long as executives and other various high up suits get to act as they do, there are limitations in most AAA spaces. Sorry.
Baldur's Gate 3 is the quality of RPG that Cyberpunk advertised itself as.
But kinda obvious for me that the depth and care and workload to bring what BG3 succeeded into a FPS-RPG hybrid is an even more challenging thing to develop.
Maybe.
Still hopeful for the CP2077 DLC and everything that it'll bring with it.
Exactly this: The promise from CDPR, also the starting point of Bethesda since Daggerfall and Morrowind, was to make an immersive, dynamic, non-linear, reactive game world, with a myriad of choices and consequences that truly matter: An RPG in its "true" sense. - Of course, putting all this into an Open World FPS title, compared to a Turn Based RPG with its (large) zones, is quite the mammoth task . However: BG3 of all game titles is indeed the first one that actually lives up to its promises.
Cyberpunk in my opinion is the superior game at this point in time...people can have different tastes in gaming
Yes. But Cyberjunk was made by inexperienced amateurs and scammers
@@BadbenthamCDPR are inexperienced amateurs and scammers
The issue with AAA development is there are too many cooks in the kitchen, but everyone still needs to get paid.
You don't need thousands of people to develop a game like WOW or Destiny 2. Molten Core in 2004 took a handful of developers a weekend to make as WOW's first raid instance as an example.
When you have 1000 people working on a project that can really only be done by 20-30 people, you have to give them a reason to be around.
This is an issue with how corporatism and publically traded companies screw with the game development. When it comes to stock trading, the gold standard is to have a company that grows grows grows, but infinite growth isn't sustainable. And when it comes to producing games, you don't need massive corporations to develop a game, but growth demands that those team sizes grows. And you can't grow the development side without ruining product, so you grow sales and marketing, and as Steve Jobs pointed out, once the sales and marketing teams take over the company, it becomes less about developing a good product and more about pumping sales, and the way the games industry did this was by gutting the experience to repackage and resell it as day 1 DLC, microtransactions, ect. Which is why you have so many AAA developers being hamstrung by their own teams, where the priorities goes to making sure the cash shops work perfectly, even if the gameplay is hot garbage, such as the hardcore D4 player losing his character to an emergency hotfix to fix the cash shop.
This is the first time I took a game seriously regarding the gameplay and story since the likes of The Witcher 3, RDR 2, TLOU 1 and 2. Thanks Larian Studio!
I absolutely prefer RPGs where I've given a character. It's cool that BG3 gives you that option AND custom characters, but there's nothing wrong with games of smaller scope just doing one.
Baldur's gate 3 and Larian Studios deserve all the success of the world!!
Bg3 best game in atleast ten years
BG3 has sated my craving for an honest to God authentic gaming experience, and I think that's the story for a lot of people. It's been a long time since we got a game like BG3, and I don't mean in terms of game play or even dynamic story arcs. I'm talking about monetization models polluting every single game that was released over the last decade or so. This isn't to say the gameplay, story, characters, voice acting and OST, player agency, and just about every other aspect of BG3 isn't absolutely incredible, but I think the gaming community as a whole is sick and tired of monetization models and BG3 shows what a team can produce when they aren't bogged down with worrying about battle passes and cosmetics and premium currencies.
You have podcast with timestamps. Subbed immediately
To give Larian even more credit for bumping launch, sure it's easy to say it was smart in hindsight, but they made that decision not knowing how the chips would fall, it was a very risky decision they made based on their faith in their product.
The first time this game wowed me with its reactivity was in that fight with the bandits on the chapel early on: I made Gale sneak and he whispered, seemingly to me, “you know I have a spell for this.” It almost made me jump! I get the sense that as a wizard, he’s at least partially aware that he’s in a game, because he keeps breaking the fourth wall. “May the dice roll in my favor” is another line.
It's the people who ask for collectors' items. Miniatures of their favorite BG3 characters. I'd pay to have a miniature of my warrior or Karlach, maybe.
34:00 you are not exaggerating zeke, I closed the door on those first bandits in the ruins and one was in the door way, so I think the door being locked meant he couldnt move forward or back since he was in the doorframe but he literally SPAMMED the check locks way more then 8 times
Thanks for another great episode.
I love this discussion about BG3 you guys are having this is great Thank you.
Really liked Dan's point around Bethesda's modding scene. Like just as an example, one of my favour FO4 mods just had a huge update just around the release of BG3, that I really hope to be able that I can squeeze in a playthrough in-between BG3 and Starfield now. With the excitment level almost being on par for that as these two games!
BG3 brought immersive sim elements to a CRPG. That's what makes it different.
Ultima 7 from 1992 did the sim elements thing first, obviously not as well, as the technology simply wasn't there.
Same studio made the original System Shock too.
And Ultima Online, there hasn't been same kind of MMORPG ever since, itself included, as its been completely changed and IMO ruined a long time ago.
Richard Garriott was/is also a super passionate CEO, but has gone off the deep end in his later years (one word, NFTs).
I could almost see BG3 a crpg getting GoTY at the game awards this year as a possibility......might not be a big possibility but one none the less lol
Attitude is exclusive between each individual character. Also the value required to max reputation is different from vendor to vendor. The reason to "bother" with reputation and gold is for all the things that are actually worthwhile, which are worth such a high value that they are difficult to directly pickpocket.
Ideally you can steal more than enough items to sell back to vendors to get the money you need for gear, but the massive discounts / favorable selling rates for high Reputation are well worth the investment if you intend to purchase more than a single item.
I absolutely want a dropped frames playthrough of the game
That would never happen, the game is way too long.
@@nr1771the crew genuinely enjoys their time together; I could see it being treated like a 1-2 year DnD campaign
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@@nr1771even if it was just act 1 I would be happy
god that would be so funny and infuriating XD
There are certain vendors that will follow you through each act depending on your playthrough. You can do the money playthrough to protect those specific npcs. That way you only have to invest approval in one guy.
Watching this again makes me more excited to see to the shitstorm or insane release next month
Knights of the Dinner Table: The Bag Wars Saga is totally worth reading. Really wish I have a bag of holding like that.
Reputation is based on the character who interacts with them, so each player has their own levels for the vendors, so you will find the character you dropped will still be maxed when they go back and talk to them.
Yea best Vendor prices are achieved by maxing reputation with your highest charisma character. Multiplayer has issues with reputation though that really need to be ironed out. For instance, when playing with 2 people and 2 NPC companions (Each player controlling a player made character and a companion), reputation isn't mirrored between the 2 of them with the 2 companions you bring along, making it harder than it should be to gain reputation for story/romance purposes. You basically have to try to swap who initiates cutscenes to earn reputation with the NPC companion you control, instead of just having 1 Face/Main character.
Must be just me that wants companies to do their best every time, not to be about greed, and not have to wait for the community to mod something.
Yea I already had 0 hype for Starfield because of how bad the recent Microsoft and Bethesda releases have been. I'm glad BG3 is setting other people's expectations higher. As gamers we really need to put our foot down and force gaming companies to stop being greedy and just focus on making good games.
To be fair, they are doing their best every time, it's just that their priority and understanding of best is fundamentally different from the consumers. Larian is a rare example of a bigger studio who's priorities align with consumers and they are deservedly celebrated for it.
@@sinisterplank3113 I can say that is fair a description.
I'll be very happy if more games like BG3 start being made, even if they're not all as good. Budget and scale is not everything. What really matters is what games are all about. More focus on good story telling and less on mindless grinding. Is that too much to ask? More Dragon age origins, less DA III.
I'm definitely the kind of player to choose a more vanilla race and a charisma class my first playthrough unless there is something really really appealing to me to make me do otherwise.
I love hearing how excited Zeke gets about roleplaying.
I spent about 41 hours in act 1, doing everything I could find, then about 39 hours in Act 2 (once again, doing everything I could), then 75 hours in Act 3. Definitely the biggest act.
I've started two more playthroughs and 40 hours is about the average length for act 1 if you are decent at the mechanics and don't skip any quests.
1:35:20 Dan transforms into Cohh
Great spot that was hilarious!
Love seeing all of the BG3 strats. A lot of people don't know you can literally just throw enemies via the throw action if you have enough strength. So I'm having Karlach as my barbarian just pick up goblins and toss them off the edge of something, or throw them at another goblin. It's great.
give her the ring that increases damage of thrown objects, berserker barbarian with frenzy for more damage, get some popcorn and sit back and watch the main wrestling event as karlach chucks people at each other and then improvised weapon body slams them into their boss.
I understand that Larion and BG3 are anomalies, however I also strongly believe that they shouldn't be. We should not be made to feel wrong to expect all game companies to be run by people who are passionate about games and want to deliver good products above simply rinsing the consumer out of every possible dime. That is the standard we should hold, for example we cannot realistically expect a bg3 level game from an indie dev, but we can expect them to deliver the best possible product with their available resources because most indie devs are passionate about their game. With triple A companies, we should be able to expect high quality games filled with passion because they have insane resources at hand. The problem is half of the top level of those companies are filled with people who don't even get involved with games, yet they get to determine many aspects of them which is plain wrong.
Hit that fly, 2 seconds to realised just the holding screen shot with fly added
I picked up chests from around the world and put them in my traveller's chest so I can organize my stash better. I can no longer remove the ornate chests from my stash because they are too heavy to carry.
I never really liked Bards in older DnD games like.. even BG 1 and 2. I sorta played one Neverwinter nights 2 and they were much better. Holy crap.. in BG 3 their insanely strong. Not even in a pure tactical/fighting way, their still good in combat and provide amazing support/casting. Just in every other aspect of the game with skills, dialog and questing. My bard/warlock can virtually do everything, main thief with lockpicks/disarm (but sucks finding traps). Bartering and selling is easier and faster, dialog is a breeze and deception/persuasion/intimidation all possible.
AND it's super fun, u get unique interesting dialog options, singing, doing performances.. I'd never expect to enjoy it so much (I've heard in 5th DnD their super strong, but don't really play). The best cutscene in the game so far for me.. is a hill overlooking the druid grove and a certain demon lady feeling sad. I won't spoil any of it, but when you find it you will know
Their insanely strong what?
This is a credit to 5th edition. They really put Bards back on the menu with 5e.
Hate to say it but idk how i feel about trying to minmax rests, i feel like part of the point is that you don't see everything. Maybe it's just me but i feel like games like baldurs gate especially on the first run are almost runined by minmaxxing. Right now everyone has different experiences they see different shit. But idk 6 months from now a lot od new players will have similsr playthroughs because they were looking up the same guides on how to do everything and get the best stuff
It's not only that it is based on your choices. It is that it is based on your choices and how the dice roll.
Baldur's Gate 3 is as good as games used to be. Anyone calling it an anomaly does so through the lens set by an industry that has since transformed the environment in which such games were normal.
From personal experience I feel like in terms of length smallest to largest is Act 2, Act 1, Act 3. Act 3 is small if you just do a straight linear path to some things. But if you explore it's HUGE.
When an indie developer says "don't expect this from us" it's like yeah no shit, no one was. But when AAA studios then come out of the woodwork to say the same... No, I will absolutely expect it from you. It may not be the coder monkeys themselves deciding the schedule and content of the games, but that doesn't change that they shouldn't be rewarded for half-baked overly monetised games that are released often over a year before they're even done.
BG3 was indeed an anomaly but not in terms of them being in a particularly unique position, but in terms of them actually taking their time and finishing their game before releasing it. That is, unfortunately, an anomaly these days, but if EA or Blizzard or Ubisoft try to sit there and pretend like they can't afford to also take 6 years to make a game that's actually good, and that isn't filled to the brim with microtransactions, that's some fucking grade A bullshit. They CHOOSE not to do that. The publishers CHOOSE not to let them do that.
BG3 got to top seller globally on Steam a few days before relase, and it is still there 3 weeks later, only recently having been overtaken by FromSoft's new Armoured Core game that comes out tomorrow. Larian was rewarded with amazing sales for making a quality game and proved, like The Witcher 3 before it, that you do not need microtransactions to be profitable. You just need a good product. There are however a lot of boards of directors who would rather make a shit game and squeeze the money out of the players with shark cards and overpiced skins rather than stay hands off and letting the process take its time. That is what the community is railing against.
Send to camp EVERYTHING!!
My camp: single candle away from killing everyone coz all the smokepowder barrel, firewine barrels and all the other good stuff are there. Wulbren and I are of one mind!!
Larian developers do not work for Swen to deliver game that will earn money
Swen works for developers, to sell game they make.
Origially developers needed big companies to handle all this publishing, advertisement and legal stuff, so they can make big games.
That's how big games of old came to be, when passionate groups of developers made studios and just worked under umbrella of big companies.
But this relation over years flipped back, and big companies want to make money by making games, so games are tuned to max profit...
Going from that BD3 to Bethesda mod discussions gave me the most giddy feeling realising BD3 will likely support mods, imagine getting some of the brilliant content that exists for DnD in droves made it new encounters, side missions maybe even full extra story lines depending on the level of mod support/ tools!
Even if you don't want to mess with companion classes, I think it is worth respecing them to better optimize their ability scores. Shadowheart is particularly agregious with a bunch of odd numbered ability scores and both poor strength and dex.
Is a world record an anomaly or a bar that others should strive to beat?
Right, nobody should ever try to beat Olympic records, nope, fans should only expect 5th best!
Like you, I don't get that attitude!
I played the game with a friend and we just killed anything and anyone aligned with the Absolute generally. I played a tiefling Gloomstalker Ranger and he is a Half-elf Valor bard unfortunately he's usually on the front lines and goes down pretty often
Hearing about the monk dialog i am now going to roll at dark urge monk who is fighting there urges cause so much rp potential
Some Devs just need to price their games properly and not put $60/70 is the value of all games when many are no were near as good. Not all games are the same and that's okay, just know their value.
Lyrian is the new Obsidian. They are now what Obsidian was when they released Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 and Icewind dale.
And yes. Id wait 8 more years for a BG 4 game if it is alike to BG 3, minus some bugs 😉
I got deaded by a god with a small phrase. Its my canonical ending. 😂😂😂
I play a stealth/cc comp with astarion and evil shadowheart and omg its so fun
Cohh and the rest of the gang is way to excited ,,can not risk watching this because of spoilers ,,,oh well waiting another week lol
My Cyberpunk Character was a female Corpo who wore a full corpo suit except for a white headband. I eode motorcycles and beat people with bats. If I remember it all correctly. My character drove my sister nuts because of the way I made her look and it gave me endless pleasure.
Ok this is going to sound like a slight but, I love how as you guys started talking about drama and rage bating and without missing a beat immediately went what happen where was that? :D
JP.. you can have a 5-some.. if Halsin is in your party, he will join in too..
Can’t believe Cohh called me out for my exploding barrel tactics! To be fair, I had already defeated that fight “the right way” before trying it the hilariously dumb way. 😅
There is no "right way". Just like ttrpgs, the way you want to do it is the right way!
I did the opposite, I went full on evil on my first playthrough, and my 2nd one is a good druid playthrough
Backpack bomb or Mage Hand suicide bombing is still the most fun for me!
Sounds like JP was consistently 2-3 levels higher than me throughout the game. When I realizied that it made sence he thought the game was a bit to easy.
I too find the game too easy on tactician but i also was level 7 when i got to last light inn. Heard people get there at level 4 and im just wondering how is it possible. Maybe only going from mainquest objective to objective
@@Monnisti all though not nearly as bad as it was in D:OS 1 and 2, talking your way out of fights lose you massive amounts of XP. If you always try to do that you really start to fall behind. 4 by last hope is pretty bad though, I was barely level 6 when getting there.
No. The standard should be higher, since their budgets are much higher.
of course! EA, ubisoft, activision blizzard. all those companies have SO MUCH resources they are not using, in fact, they are using the bare minimum and fill those games with MTX. absolutely disgusting. i havent bought a game from any of those companies for at least 12 years.
I mean look, there is something to be said for companies that make different genres of games. They get a little slack for trying new things and specializing in several genres. However, companies like Bethesda get no slack. They specialize in one type of game and thats open worlds. Every game they release should be a 9 minimum and minimum bugs. @@foulXD
after what bethesda did with fallout 76 (which is STILL buggy and new content is garbage) i spit on bethesda. last game i bought of them, was skyrim (which is horseshit without mods). i wouldnt be surprised if starfield releases buggy af and most of the shown mechanics and content got oversold. bethesda is essentially dead to me, same with blizzard, EA and ubisoft. bunch of hacks who forgot what makes games fun.@@spec02alex
I's still only on act 1, level 3 and went for figher, and chose champion, cause I tought would be easier for a first time, but as a level 3 not much you can do as champion. so might need to change it.
But definetly not that great at combat, so obviously not playing on tactitian.
Would Eldridge knight be good? as a noob or the other one?
Champion is considered one of the most boring concepts even in regular tabletop, and is nerfed here since you never naturally get the later crit range.
The other one is considered 'the best' but purely for combat. Eldritch Knight was fun in Solasta, you can use Cantrips and I almost always went more self buff support magick.
I can't wait for starfield looks like my perfect game for things I like. I must say bg3 has become my fav game and being able to play without the micros felt so good!
yes.
JP
Watching this made me realise that when the characters yawn or express tiredness, probably should long rest because of content..
For AAA studios yes for indies and everyone else continue as usual.
50:50 I 100% wouldn't have rolled a custom character as my first if Swen hadn't recommended that on the previous episode
I mean the question really should be "Shouldn't BG3 be the industry standard?"