Why is Tudor Blatantly Attacking Omega?
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So Tudor is really out here attacking other brands rn...someone come pick up their man. So, does the Tudor Black Bay Ceramic have a chance at going toe to toe with one of the biggest watch brands owned by one of the biggest watch groups (Swatch)? Specifically the Omega Seamaster Professional 300m (in ceramic of course) I think...yes...but I'm interested to hear what you think!
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00:00 Intro
1:25 Joe Biden's Presidential First
4:12 Hublot's...Anti-Poaching Watch?
5:56 Omega vs. Tudor Pt. 1
6:38 Vintage Watches!
10:00 Omega vs. Tudor Pt. 2
17:20 A Special Edition Miracle
20:30 A Blingy VINTAGE Rolex
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#omega #tudor #stop...CeramicTime
lol Michael
Today, Christian and Michael address some of the hot topics in the industry right now, including why Tudor is going straight for the jugular of other, arguably bigger brands!
First up, though, we spend some time talking about Joe Biden's Omega collection, which includes a Speedmaster and Seamaster. Joe is no stranger to the watch community, with everything from a Seiko to a Vulcain to a Rolex Datejust in his collection. And really, as far as world leaders go, he has some of the best horological taste there is.
Next we move into Christian's inability to make up his mind about Hublot, which is hysterical just on its face. The watch in question is Hublot's new rhino themed piece in partnership with a charity that focuses on saving the rhino from extinction. At the start, just looking at the camo strap variant, Christian thinks it's an ugly watch, but upon further inspection of the green strap, plus noticing the small rhino on the sub-seconds, he turns around in an almost complete 180 and it is truly gold.
And now for the main event - Tudor going for Omega's jugular. The watch that raises this point is Tudor's new Black Bay Ceramic, which features nearly all of the same specs as the Omega equivalent Seamaster. The black ceramic case is a given, but looking a little deeper, the Tudor is also METAS certified as a Master Chronometer, which is something only Omega could claim for the longest time. With Tudor throwing their hat into that ring, Omega's sales people are certainly in for a dilemma, especially when you come to terms with that roughly $4k price differential.
Back to Hublot to talk about a watch Christian LOVES - the Classic Fusion Concrete Jungle. The watch is literally made from concrete (to be fair, a concrete composition modified by Hublot to make sense on a watch, but still...CONCRETE), and has a surprisingly minimal design given how out there its material composition is. But it's a real winner, in Christian's book.
Finally, the blingiest Rolex to ever bling OR Rolex, the 6269 Daytona in yellow gold with a diamond dial and bezel. It's the kind of watch John Mayer HAS to own, surely, and it's just really cool. Sure, it might be perceived as feminine on the surface, but ultimately, it's just a cool, kind of illogical, certainly ridiculous watch that represents a massive part of the Crown's heritage.
Christian's shirt is progressively getting more and more unbuttoned
1988 Testarossa energy
It's the Italian in him.
The buttons automatically come undone once you put on a linen shirt. You can’t stop it.
@@lucassantoro2016 Really? Never happens to me. Must be the lack of chest hair.
Two words…New Jersey
This week, for no reason in particular, Christian looks like he's going for some kind of Matthew Mcconaughey cosplay.
bruh wtf you also like watches?!
Rolex is desperate to be seen as being out of Omega’s league, so they’re trying really hard to make Tudor appear as Omega’s competitor.
Not looking at the brand. I think Tudor build quality is far better than omega. Omega is definitely not in the same league as Rolex.
@@gavincheung4634 spoken by someone who doesn’t own an Omega ? The finishing on an Omega is leagues above a Tudor and as far as case finishing , even better than Rolex. Spoken by someone who owns a sub, bb58 and a seasmaster 300m.
@@gavincheung4634 You’ve got absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, do you.
It's okay guys, Gavin is just a bit of an idiot. 🤣
They are succeeding.
Omega have thrown everything into the battle: coax escapement, METAS certification, limited editions, a wide range of products, the James Bond placement, and sales staff discount who like fishermen with yesterday's catch.
But still Rolex are viewed as being in a different class.
Rolex in return have throttled down production to add to the Veblen exclusivity, and released Tudor as attack dogs.
Tudor make really nice watches at attractive prices. Tudor make interesting models like the BBBH, they make excellent in house movements, they have METAS certification, and they are cheaper than Omega.
Omega hoped to create a "Rolex or Omega" decision point in a buyer's mind. Now they are in a "Tudor or Omega" position. That's not a good space to be in.
The question everyone wants the answer to is " WHERES ANNA" ? I need answers
Exactly! Not that I expect her in every video, but she was a great and I enjoyed her popping up in her own videos at times, or with Christian.
Agree, inquiring minds want to know?
She’s in Cali working with some recording artist
They’ve mentioned it in other videos and Christian directly replied to me before - she’s working on other stuff in Cali and still assisting with the editing and such. Thus, he short cameo.
Apparently she was the editor for this video
Michael is a great asset! He brings a humour & charm to the videos that balance out Christian's often ridiculous & pretentious tendencies. Pay him well 😄
Yeah Michael is awesome 👏
Always ridiculous and always pretending to be someone, well he is definitely one the these.........
Nicco Leonard is right. If Tudor wasn't tied to Rolex, no one would care about the brand
Of course, but then again, if it wasn't tied to Rolex, Tudor would've never existed so there would be nothing to care about
“This week, for no reason in particular, president wears an omega seamaster” sounds like an onion news headline. “This week, man eats a tuna melt for no reason in particular” so dumb.
We all wear our watches for no particular reason, since we’re literally glued to our smartphones. But we love watches and that’s enough reason for us.
$8,100 is not the cheapest Metas certified Seamster. They should pull the video.
Comparing ceramics
Believe it or not this is my favorite internet show, please keep going. You guys have the best chemistry, proper amount of enthusiasm you both have with the difference in personality, chef's kiss!
So Hugeblow made a G-Shock, without ANY of the advantages of a G-Shock. 💩
Seems like it😂
All Tudor need to do is come out with an updated Pelagos…..same spec as the last one just put it in a slimmer case and that thing would fly! Same with the GMT. Squeeze the GMT into the Blackbay 58 case size and wham another winner.
Literally waiting for that to happen with their GMT before I pull the trigger
I want a slimmer pelogos but for me the diameter has to be less as well
I just bought a BB58 as a daily. I’d still buy a smaller Pelagos tomorrow if it existed.
Thinner case, drop the lug width by 2mm and reduce it to a 41mm case with an proportional lug to lug. It would be perfect. Literally the perfect titanium daily.
@@jacktyler5241 said it right there!
And put the in house in the bb36
The shirt unbuttoned like this is so funny. Do you guys have air conditioning? XD
Do people actually lead their watch shopping criteria with “is it METAS certified?” Who does this? Design is everything and Omega still wins here.
Rolex wins in design. Went to the Omega store, and the only design I liked was the Ploprof but it was too big
Had the pre ceramic seamaster 5yrs ago, love the wave dial, scallop bezel, intricate bracelet initially but somehow I just slowly grew bored of it. The design just wasn't timeless IMO...
I love Omega and have owned many. I couldn’t care less if my watch is METAS or not. It’s nice and all but mostly marketing I feel
I do care if a watch is Metas certified as I know I can wear it at work on some days. The magnetic field I am sometimes exposed to is so high that most watches need to be demagnetized after that, not to mention they stop working properly and I still have to rely on other time tracking devices (smartphone is not allowed because it also fails, so you can imagine the hassle)
So, not meant as a brag….but I have the money to buy whatever watch I want. In fact, I own numerous Patek, ALS, RM…..as well as Rolex, Omega, JLC, Tudor, etc. My point being, the watch that gets the most wrist time is my Tudor BB58 blue. So, price being no object, I still prefer my Black Bay 58 because it is just THAT good!!!
In what way? Design? Finish? Accuracy?
Is it possible that the Tudor "black bay" is to be taken as the same interpretation as the Rolex "Oyster"? In other words maybe the term black bay is just the idea that ties in all the watches across the range together to be part of the same underlying foundation.
Yeah, maybe, but ultimately no, imo. The BBs ultimately share the same design language. Snowflake hands with circular markers.
I own watches from both brands. For me personally, Omega doesn't just win in overall quality and finishing but is also MILES better when it comes to the AD experience (purchasing, servicing, or even just stopping by to browse), as well as packaging. The overall experience is just much better with Omega. It's not even close.
I wanted to say exactly the same stuff
L.E.: the worst experience I had with Tudor was being told I need to buy more pieces from them to get the new bronze watch. I politely said other pieces that I don’t have in my collection don’t fit me and then they said I need to wait a few years to get it.
Everyone keeps saying that about the experience buying from an Omega Boutique vs a AD
What is it that makes the Boutique experience stand out?
I'm lucky enough to live withing driving distance of two different AD and a Boutique.
I'm about to buy a SMP, who should I give my money to?
Welcome back Anna!!
I honestly prefer to have a Omega than Tudor (just look at the finish of the movements) Tudor is far behind
Regarding what? Accuracy? Not really. I had a Black Bay and it was as accurate as the Coaxial movement of my 300M. Power reserve? 48h for the Seamaster. 70h for the Tudor. Looks? Definitely the open case in the Seamaster is gorgeous.
@@hugohernandez3651 I own Omega seamaster 300m & Blue Pelagos. The finishing & Brand image in Omega is much higher than Tudor no doubt. I love both of them but Tudor is Tudor. They are not the same level as Omega
@@SG-he4cy I asked about the movement specifically. I have 2 Seamaster 300M and two Planet Oceans and yes I agree about the watch as a whole, but regarding just the movement no so much.
@@hugohernandez3651 Yes I terms of Power reserve, Tudor is better. But movement decoration, Omega better.
Which is why i bought 2 different brand to enjoy best of both world 😊
I suppose the question is, is the Omega worth almost twice the price as the Tudor? I agree with the finishing of the movement is superior with the Omega but for some people, this is not a deal breaker. I own watches with display and solid case backs, for all round sport watched, seeing the movement is no big deal. I have an Omega and a Tudor, both excellent watches.
I'm also Michael and I'm also not the curator of the theo and harris watch shop
That pulse joke made me laugh more than I should have
@Watch Geek Biden is a joke?
@@KBD-ONE Haha
You guys are so fun to watch. Thanks gents.
The editing in this video is the best.
Completely unrelated: Hi Anna, hope all is well.
Hahaha 🤣
@@FrostedSeagull lol I don’t think you get it...
Love the channel guys, love the quality of the editing and the contents. Just do not be too snobbish…people should commenting the contents and discussing around them, not about your shirt man…do not force people focusing on you but on the channel..I think you got what i am saying here. Best, Alberto
I would listen to this audio as a podcast.
Alright you two, get a room 😉. I was rollin' 'watching' you guys. Keep it up. Good content.
"Now a watch that...... *speaks* for itself....." "ouu hooo, that's why you're the curator" hahaha! another fab video!
I have a Tudor Black Bay and an Omega aqua terra and love them both.
Christian, I think we can go one button deeper on that shirt 👕
Love the discussion and coverage of the President’s watches. Great video!
I think Hublot had the character Rinox from Beast Wars/Transformers in mind when designing that one. And for that reason alone, I absolutely love it
Love how Christian backed out of dissing Hublot to keep the door open on working with them in the future 😂
That's hilarious. Every video is like he is in an interview with a watch company. Nothing wrong with showing ambition but just don't get to wrapped up in it all.
That Spanish sub looks amazing on the President bracelet. Great show guys.
Heyyy Anna is back!
I have a Speedmaster. I do a lot of hiking and when I do I wear a Yema Pearldiver, not a Tudor :p
I srsly love these videos were yall just bs. Such good chemistry
Hey guys, show is hilarious. Love to see Christian is evolving so good 👏👏👏
Great video and information. Biden is soo Speedmaster. Would love a discussion between Christian and Fredrico of Delray watches on GP Laurato.
One smallish request, giggling at times get a bit distracting.( see the start of the video)
Are you sure? I find Tudor more on Longines level regarding quality.
I totally agree, I would also add that to some,longines has such a long heritage and history and records that many would prefer to buy longines than a Tudor.
“Its personal, its not business”
- Don Christian Zeron of the Zeron Crime Family
The smp300 is better than the Rolex sub nevermind the Tudor bb. Where'd you get that price from? I picked up a smp ceramic for an excellent price even compared to Tudor.
To start great video. I agree with a lot of what you guys had to say but as far as Tudor is concerned I don’t think you can simply make the case that Tudor is just a cheap Rolex. I understand that was the idea at its inception, but Tudor is not the same brand today. I greatly appreciate watch history and brand history and that does inform my decision when liking and purchasing watches. For me it has a lot more to do with overall value for money. There are lots of brands that command premiums that use very generic movements and and really don’t represent a great value. I believe Tudor offers value in spades. When you consider that they collaborated with Breitling and we get the same tech at 2-3k cheaper it’s hard to argue with that. I like Omega a lot and I think the Seamaster 300m represents a great value overall. I’m also a sucker for chronos but I think it’s kinda sad that the majority of Omega chronos have a very weak water rating. Another win for Tudor, and they offer this advantage at nearly half the price of a similar looking and functioning sport chrono. From a value perspective alone I don’t know how anyone can argue with the popularity of Tudor being justified. I love a lot of different brands for various reasons and I feel with Tudor you get a ton of watch for the price.
I think you found the pitch, "Do you want a cheap Rolex, or an OMEEEGGGAAAA!"
What happened to my "get a room 😁" comment? Too risqué by the community guidelines I guess. Great content though, keep it up. The dynamic duo.
Dunno if this has been said… is the Tudor an entry for the Rolex family to get into Metas without doing it with a Rolex initially. They never jump into anything without their due diligence.
I enjoy my speedmaster and my tudor black bay 58 in different ways. Love both brands
What is that on your right wrist Mike?
Last year Omega changed their prices in Canada at least 3 times. It was like scoring on a moving goal post, so I got a Tudor. If I buy an Omega it will be a second hand piece.
Tudor was born as the cheaper Rolex with off the shelve movement but Tudor now produce in-house movement and I think Rolex is trying to position themselves into AP, PP realm and pushing Tudor to takeover the void Rolex leave behind which means competing with Omega.
Isn’t the cheapest Omega which is metas certified the omega 300m but the $4200 model?
Christian, Love the channel, though you should use "we" instead of "I" so often, you have a team now! you are all in this game to win it ;)
Hey man! Thank you so much for following! And I absolutely agree with you. “I” would recommend a marketing plan to Omega/Tudor, but “we” would execute that plan.
@@TheoandHarris 😂👍
Tudor will share this METAS movement with brietling in time to come. As Breitling did with the B01
Would you review the sinn u50?
And Christian, your developing a special following with the best community in the LBC. Keep that shirt unbuttoned 😍
Michael’s shirt is too buttoned. Christian’s shirt also is too buttoned.
That's why they make a good team. It evens out.
That new Hublot is actually bad ass if it was a G-Shock.
The green Hublot looks like a Swatch Escape Jungle ($140.00)
Fun fact: hublot made the laugh Christian does at 2:36 the new chiming alarm for they’re next watch
My $0.02 - Tudor taking on Omega is an effort by Rolex to portray the rivalry in the industry as a fight between Omega and Tudor for second place. Not saying that is, or isn’t, reality. It’s just my opinion as to how the brands are trying to portray themselves - and each other - in the perception of consumers.
Tudor needs to thin the Pelagos like others have suggested. They also need to release the color option the left hand version has with the cream hands/indices and redline text/date in the right hand version
How do you spell particular ?
Whats is that"
"Oh its a vintage iced-out rolex. Thank you for asking"
"That's a factory ice?"
"That's a factory ice! This thing only appreciates"
This would be amazing if it ever happened in real life.
Wrist go brrrr
So much hate on the Hublot brand on UA-cam it almost makes me want one. Stoked to hear some thoughtful perspective on the watches. Christian doesn't fear going against the grain.
Christian. I need to introduce you to my artisanal button maker. Phenomenal, highly functional tech.
Does he have a Master Button Maker certification with amagnetic buttons?
YES to the thinner manual chronograph. drop that with the panda dials and ceramic bezel and NOMNOMNOM!
7:25 omg why does this watch have the wrong size strap on it.
Buy a Tudor, spend the rest of your life explaining why it’s almost a Rolex. I’ll pass.
Be honest… Christian use a magic marker for that chest hair or what.
Love the material keep them coming!
Don't get me wrong. I've owned about 10 of the most modern Tudor versions. I've always loved the Tudor's that have 3rd party movements in them. Give me a Tudor with an older A Shields/ETA when Tudor started, the ETA 2824-2, the Valjoux 7734/7750, and now the Breitling BO1 in the newer Tudor Chronographs. I didn't ask for these newer Tudor knock off Rolex Movements. I need Metas certification like I need another hole in my head. Yes Tudor, I get it. You've proved that you can do both Chronometer and Metas. Congratulations! Now make a watch with a Rattrapante Chronograph, GMT, and Annual Calendar, that has 200 meters of water resistance. And please keep the price under $7,000. Patek Phillip needs competition too.
Your price on Omega 300m is way off. List for that watch is $5200 US. Much closer to the Tudor price.
Ceramic version!
Tom Selleck's closet is weeping....literally!
I have an Meta certified Omega 300M and out the door it was $5300…just get the stainless steel case instead of ceramic and it would be just over the price of the Tudor…I love my Omega…my next watch will be a Tudor GMT tho..
Y’all gonna shit bricks when Rolex rolls out the Master Superlative Chronometer.
Oh yes I’ll lose sleep over it. Get a life
What about Omega Railmaster? It is Metas-certified and much cheeper than the Seamaster.
It’s discontinued
Omega is higher level than Tudor. The Movement, watch finishing & brand image/popularity. I own both of these watches & love it. But Tudor need to know where they stand.
Yeah, definitely. Tudor is not in Omega's league, and there is nothing mean about that statement. Tudor still makes nice watches. I just wonder if they would even be mentioned as trying to compete with Omega if they weren't Rolex little brother. Also wonder if they could get away with charging what they did if they had no affiliation with Rolex. They would probably be competing with Tag Heuer and Oris and so on. Must say that THIS year, they have released some very nice pieces...unlike big brother Rolex.
@@jimlittle5769 Yes agree with u bro. Tudor definitely make beautiful watches with not too bad value ($ for amount of watch u get). But they are not in the same league as Omega. Which is why i have both of these to enjoy different pieces.
I think if Tudor is not sibling of Rolex they definitely will be fighting in the league as Tag or Oris but maybe a slightly more advance Brand. 😊
@@SG-he4cy like Breitling maybe?
100%
@@jimlittle5769 Ermmm yes that's a good idea bro 😊👍
Christian: Omega should make a statement why their watches are worth double over the Tudor.
Also Christian a few minutes later: Omega should not even acknowledge Tudor.
Tudor just needs to properly remake the Ranger in 36mm or 38mm. That design has history and you can use its story to define the brand’s differentiation from Rolex. The 41mm remake they did a few years back IMO had an ugly case shape and was way too big
Rip. I wasn’t notified yesterday of this.
I actually just bought the Omega Railmaster. Omega just spoke to me and not alot of watch brand's do that. I just love the history of the brand. I'm definitely buying the Omega Seamaster 300 co axial 41mm in the future and maybe even the Speedmaster Moon wacth
Did Christian forget how to button his shirt?
What do you think of Edox?
Tudor’s 2021 launches are better than ever. Moving away from being baby rolexes and towards having a more original design language.
Never been more of a Tudor fanboy!
I couldn't agree more. Tudor hit the ball out of the park with their releases this year. Obviously, I still think they aren't close to Omega, but that doesn't diminish the fact they came out with some very nice pieces this year.
tudor blows
1🤢🤮🤮
So which one is Theo and which one is Harris?
I'm Theo and he's Harris
Checkmate, well played.
“Theo and No Buttons Man”
this is the 1st time i have seen a rap reference out side of nico and GQ lol that rolex daytona with the factory ice. this that burr. only appreciate
The fact that you're even having this conversation shows just much success Tudor has in their marketing. I own an Omega SM and very much love it, but the simple fact that a watch nearly half the price of a comparative Omega has your panties in such a wad shows how effective Tudor has become...without really even trying. So much hand wringing for a brand that should by any of your measures be inconsequential....more and more free press for a brand that you would rather not acknowledge - but do!
Hahahahahahahahaha
I feel Omega would really push the Seamaster on if they removed that escape valve wart on the side of it. Engineer in a nice button escape valve like the pelagos.
Check out the great white…. You’re absolutely right! 2538.20.00. The 3 link brushed bracelet also tops the cake (only downfall, it’s not adjustable).
I also hope Omega remove the escape valve. But i think they is their icon for seamaster. So i just try appreciate my Black Seamaster 300m & Blue pelagos 😊
@@miazoi7891 the new Seamaster bracelets are adjustable though. Be nice if they tapered though.
I own a 2020 seamaster and the new helium escape valve is tapered towards the tip and you don't notice it. I had the same initial concern but once I tried it on, you don't notice it.
@@broskies1 Ohh mine is the 2018 one. It is also with adjustable bracelet. Love it 😊
Greetings from Dubai. Tudor is a watch Omega is a company! U nailed it Christian 👍
Very interesting show between Rolex and omega
This isn't Tudor getting back at Omega. It's the legendary rivalry of Rolex and Omega, reborn.
Critical questions demanding answers: Where is Anna? Why is Christian’s shirt so unbuttoned? Why is Michael’s shirt too buttoned?
I think he is trying very hard to stay ‘cool’
The guys: Anna is editing this video...
Everyone in the comments: OMG ANNA! HOW'S ANNA? BRING BACK ANNA!! WE WANT ANNA!! AAAAAAAAAAANNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!111!!!!!!1!!
Is the unpressed shirt look in now?
Why can’t Hublot freaking get their screw heads aligned correctly on a bezel?...
Why can't Omega make a standard production run of their 1948 limited edition seamaster model. That watch just seems perfect.
Or you can buy a Sub (if you can find one) for double the money of a Seamaster and no certifications at all. Omega is above Tudor as a brand. With Tudor you're buying a VW to Rolex's Porsche.
Christian's Breguet is just sick! 🤤
Tudor is truly punching above their weight class. The Pelagos divers are what Rolex divers were in the 70’s, exceptional tool watches favored by soldiers and outdoorsmen. Speaking of the 70’s, I was a teenager then and that open shirt look was the calling card of a D-bag back then ,and is even more so now. Listen to your dad, sit up straight and button your shirt.
OOOOH! shirt open???? Where are the 8 Gold Chains??? Lol. nice job on the discussion. Appreciated.
Regarding the ceramic watches, it’s an easy win for omega. The Tudor looks to much like a black lump and will age poorly when you scratch the pvd coating. For other watches I prefer tudors as they are less flashy but I would rather buy an omega.
As a relatively new watch guy, I am going with the Tudor Pelagos over the Seamaster. I just think the Seamaster looks dorky and outdated. It’s bracelet, waves on the dial, protruding helium escape and skeletonized hands all feel a bit corny.