Tudor Black Bay 58 vs 54 - Which Watch Is Right For You?
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2023
- Which Tudor Black Bay is right for you, the 58 or the 54? Is the bigger 58 watch the right size or do they extra features of the 54 win out?
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Please bring back the old format, it was incomparably better and was the magic sauce that made the channel stand out and a favorite to many.
Out of curiosity, I wonder if Andrew had to relinquish the ‘talking hands’ title to someone else on Watchfinder?
I agree 100%. The channel has lost the charm of its formality, even if it was just a veneer. The Lange Triple Split video was, for me, this channel at its zenith (no pun intended).
Translation: “no more face, just the hands”?
i dont really see the difference tbh.
The fame has clearly got to him… Can’t keep his mug off the screen these days it seems 😉😆
Men used to wear size 34mm. 37 is plenty big. We’ve been brainwashed into thinking that 41 ish mm is a normal size. It’s not, it’s very large unless you’re Andre the giant or want everyone to see that you’re wearing a big chunk of watch on your wrist. 37 is utilitarian and only as big as it functionally needs to be. If you’re buying a watch primarily for other people to see or you have an 8+ inch wrist, get an OG black bay or 58. If the watch is for you to see, 54 all day.
58 all day! So much vintage yumminess 😋
58 is very special
That’s because 37mm isn’t as small as most Men want to make it out to seem. People are wearing too big a watch these days. Like when baggy suits were showing up everywhere. 🤦🏾♂️
58, near perfect size, little pop of red, makes me think of a bond watch
Yes, the Bond Rolex Big Crown.
I've been watching these comparison videos for weeks now to help me decide. Wish yours came out yesterday cause this morning I went into my local AD and picked up a BB58 39mm bluey...And I have zero regrets.
Talking Hands guy revealed!! Seeing the transition. I like it.
Love the other channel too, straight comedy
I’m in love with the Black Bay 58. The size, the vintage feel, and the modern quality. In tend to buy one at the end of the year.
58 all day all week. I’ve got the blue version. It’s perfect for the office, for playing with the kids and for the French Riviera. It’s oozes cool cat and the size / weight ratio is 10/10 ✌🏻
Cheapest watch on the french riviera... 😉
@@guycalabrese4040 👏
Agree 100%
1. The 58 all day; the 54 is just too small on the 7+ wrist. 2. Bring back the old format--was pure class!
To each their own. It's great that Tudor has 3 size options. I personally have an 8" wrist and love small watches. Today I wore a 34mm vintage Omega. Small still works.
No wrong .
I tried one recently (54). Almost purchased but when tried it on too small for my modern taste.
Great comparison! Thanks for this excellent video.
There is a warm charm to the 58 coming from the gilt bezel. It has a nice pop of color from the red Triangle that is also found on the Rolex Big Crown. The 58 design borrows cues from Rolex/Tudors of past without being an exact replica. Also, at 39mm it sits comfortably on most wrists.
I personally prefer the look and size of the 54, the silver bezel with no red triangle makes it really versatile
It’s good to find the watch that best suits your taste.
This is how I see it.
54 is Refined/Quiet/Sleek/Sharp/and Cold
58 is Rugged/Louder/Colorful/and Warmer.
I have an 8" wrist, own a BB heritage, and have nearly bought the 58 countless times. That being said, I like classically sized watches and would purchase the 54 right now if the dial features stainless steel hands/markers and white font.
I chose the Black Bay 58 but I do miss the microadjustments on the 54. I find my watch loosening a lot if i get sweaty. I love it. I wear it worry free unlike my steel drolex where I get more conscious in a crowded area or cramped locations.
I like the knurling on the 58. It feels like a real “coin edge” to me. Refined and well machined, I’ve had no problems gripping the bezel or the crown. I wish it had a T fit, but that didn’t exist when the watch came out so I can’t really expect them to change later models of the same watch. Love the comparison tho
I’m kinda waiting for them to upgrade the clasp- figured they would do it soon as the ranger and 54 have it. Doesn’t make sense to not update the 58 to me
Another great vid. Would love to see how this would look on my wrist. Although as a recent BB Pro owner I couldn’t afford another one anyway :)
I have 7 inch wrists as well and i wear a 37mm watch, a 1964 Seiko Weekdater, and it fits me perfectly.
This is one of those conundrums that we could think about and dream for months then just get the one that's in stock at the time you visit the AD as you just could not make that definitive decision. Then driving home wondering if you'd just purchased the wring watch. That feeling would have been present regardless of which one you get. Surly getting both is the only way to be sure but then every time that you wore the 58 you would be wishing that you put on the 54 on instead and vice verse. The only real solution to the conundrum is just to purchase something else entirely... or is it?
Have both, love them both. Got the 54 on the rubber as a point of difference to my 925 58.
I am a vintage guy but don’t mind my watch getting noticed and complemented every so often. Thus, BB58 for me😎
I tried them both on and chose neither. I went with the new burgundy bezel Black Bay with the jubilee bracelet.
I wish I could disagree with the below, and I remain a huge fan of Andrew, but the previous format was superb, and unique, and utterly captivating. Much of that has been lost. I hope we're in the minority as the content remains excellent (and has informed some of my, and no doubt others, decision making), but I do miss the hands. 😢
Beautiful video. When a similar video for the new black bay 31/36/39?
I got the call from the AD to say that my BB54 with the rubber strap was in the store. Look forward to picking it up.
Trying to pick between rubber strap and the stainless steel on the bb54, what is your reason for choice of rubber strap?
@@ajmufc2415 I have other watches with a steel or gold strap, so just wanted something different! I'm also on the waiting list with my AD for a Rolex Daytona on Oysterflex so thought I would use this for now to get me in the mood :D
@@P8REN yeah the Daytona on a oysterflex is just beautiful and I think I’ll be getting the rubber strap bb54 on Friday this week!
54 -54 -54 amazing proportion ! And i love rubber - t fit
I’m between both right now. I have small wrist and leaning towards the 54 but I love the color pop on the 58.
What do y’all recommend?
I own the 58 and plan to get the 54 for the missus. So that’s two competitors on the podium and surely go tops in the construction standings right? 🤙
Total Tudor fan boy here. I have the 58 in blue , BBpro and Ranger and just received the 54 as I really wanted the 58 in black as well. Crazy I know so the 54 came to answer my prayers. 37 would typically be too small for me but on the bracelet something magical happens and it fits perfectly: the 58 is the perfect watch and the 54 will be a perfect watch for most. Pushing 7,5 in wrists and it may fit small proportionately. From someone who used to think Tudor was the poor man’s Rolex to one of my favorite brands that have just done one amazing thing after the next. I also own 5 Rolex models so you can say I’m biased:). I recommend ppl try on the 54. The thinness makes it incredible as well, Something not a lot on reviewers have spoken about . It’s a great watch and I love it
58 all the way
I do own a BB58, BB58 925 i do enjoy owning these watches, and there excellent time keepers,so i will stay with these beauties 👍
In my opinion the new video format isn't bad but there's a bigger charm in the older videos, the naration in them was so incredible.
I've owned my black bay 58 for close to 3 years now, but one thing I don't like about is that the clasp is too long/big so when i wear it, it doesn't follow the curvature of my wrist and there will always be some play, but the watch isn't big at all
BB58 ftw! I love the red triangle and the 15 min markers on the bezel.
I bought one when my Submariner was in the shop. Loved it. In house movement. Great clicking bezel. Fantastic clasp, comfortable bracelet. Great simple design & size. When I got my Sub back it wasn't getting the wrist time & I felt guilty. I gifted it to my younger brother & it doesn't leave his wrist. I still look at these videos like longing for an Ex Girlfriend.
I felt that 😂
Having owned the BB58 for a couple of years and then selling it, and now having tried the BB54 in store, I would say the BB54 was the submariner I was looking for all along. It is the perfect submariner for me, the one with the trues proportions to the original, and now a competitor to my Explorer.
Just picked the 54, it wears great and I absolutely love it!!!
I like the black bay, but haven't quite been able to pull the trigger on one.
I chose the 58 I like the size better, and the navy blue goes with everything blue I wear. I just can't get enough blue. I tried on every Tudor they had in stock (nearly), and the 58 just worked. Felt like it was an extension, not an addition. I had previously thought that all Black Bays were too chunky until I saw the 58 in person. Yes, the 54 is similar or the same in height of the case but the dial felt too small. I like the more vintage style, and given the opportunity to have those minor embellishments in the 58, I would love the gold hands and markers, maybe even a red circle in my triangle, but I'm just fine without them. I bought mine from an AD in Paris and it was my first purchase of a Tudor and I'm smitten.
I owned a BB58 Blue for a time. Stupidly traded it off. I felt this size was nearly perfect for my 7.5" wrist. I would love to try a BB54 and likely wouldn't buy one sight-unseen. It is interesting that Tudor has gone backward a bit in sizing but I feel for good reason.
im all about the BB58 i like you also own the bb58 and it is as close to perfect as you can get
The lume surround on the 7 index of your 54 is noticeably thinner than the others (the 1 appears less uniform also, though not as drastically). That's QC that would upset me on a Seiko Prospex much less a currently-difficult-to-source Chewdor. Curious if the one you shot was preproduction/"press fleet" or a retail model?
FWIW, had an original ETA BB, the 58 never did anything for me. The 54 is very appealing, but I'm being distracted greatly by the Vulcain Natique.
The 58 for me - colouring, size, second hand. Could stand to have the improved clasp, and deeper knurling on the crown.
The 54 is more refined and authentic to a point were I think there's more nostalgia with it being a remake of tudors 1st ever diver overall I think its the better timepiece not taking anything away from the 58 it's a stunning watch,but the 54 has that extra x factor imo it's a beautiful watch well done tudor😊
Love them both and just bought the 54. I worry I won't wear my 58 because of it. By only gripe about the 54 is the undersized crown.
Love the Black Bay 54 so much, gonna buy it soon! Nice Video as always.
You have to wait …..😊
I have given Tudor absolutely _no_ attention for as long as I've been a watch enthusiast (40 years) because in my mind they represented "junior Rolex" and I had zero interest in Rolex either. (I tend to shy away from watch brands that _everybody_ knows and wants.) However, I was in my AD the other day shopping for a Speedmaster when I spotted the BB GMT in Root Beer on a leather strap. Holy cow!
I went home and had a evening of frantic Googling and YT'ing to make sure I wasn't crazy, then went back the next day and bought it. I absolutely LOVE this watch. Don't care if it looks like a Rolex. Don't care if anyone thinks I've gone for a "junior Rolex". I think it's gorgeous.
58, by a length. I think, the same way Tudor might have been thinking in the 1950’s, looking at the 54 and asking, “How do we make this very fine watch even better?”. And the answer would be - the BB58. I don’t know what, or if, the difference is in the size of the dials, but the indices of the 58 appear to have room to breathe. The 54 - a little less. And who doesn’t love the bit of red around the bezel pip?
"And who doesn’t love the bit of red around the bezel pip?"
Me
@@SpektrikMusic Hello, Killjoy.
I had 58 just bought 54 and its just a great piece at a price im comfortable with. No perfect watch ever but get a piece n enjoy
Fernando Alonso reference is genius.
I bought a Black Bay in 41 mm blue bezel two years ago and I haven’t looked at anything else since.
Black Bay 54, i like the thin watch and the T Fit, and it’s closer to the original Tudor Submariner.
I would go for the 54 since i have a 58 already.
Amazing guy but the old
Format is just unbeatable 😊
I always felt the BB58 wears super weird on my wrist, I do prefer the 54 all day everyday and that’s what I own. And also the 54 is not ‘too’ small in fact it fits my 6.3in wrist perfectly!
54 easy i tried both on and am not biased as have owned neither.
for me its all about the jug to lug size since i have a 6.5 wrist
so the choice is very easy...
Fernando reference 😂
Not for a second have I considered trading in my 58. Literally nothing is an improvement....to me.
To me , the 58 is perfect.
we have two fellow "You're terrific"-viewers in the house... thats funny....to me ;)
@@Chris_BQ who?? (Jokes)
@@trickyhippo2641 well isn't he the guy with the.... SEVEN IIIINCH WRIST ??
@@Chris_BQ no I don't think so. I'm sure he said it was 178mm
The 58 every time. Visually the 54 looks like a (negatively) modded 58.
I choose my original BB Black with the smiley dial and oyster bracelet 😉
I have a 7" wrist i and own all four now, don't ask me why please. I like the 54 a tiny bit over the 58. Amazingly the BB54 on steel bracelet wears like a 38.5mm and I'm loving it, I guess the rubber strap is the issue here it makes the 54 wear smaller then again pics and videos play a role on how watches actually wear. For me BB54, P30/58 tie then Pro.
Do the bb58 and bb54 have the same links?
This is my opinion for this very cool subject:
I have a family heirloom Rolex 6538 but will never wear it in the wild. As a matter of fact it is in a safe in a vault. I bought 5-digit sub back in 05-06 and still love it to this day and will always be in my rotation, but I also wanted to wear something vintage but there was nothing out there until the first Blackbay back in I guess 2010s some time. In hopes it would feel like the 6538, I found it was not and did not wear like it. 2018 comes around and the BB58 arrives.
The BB58 wears almost exactly the same as a Rolex 6538. The BB58 is 39mm x 11.9mm in height x 47mm lug to lug and a lug width of 20mm. The crown is 6-6.5mm. The Rolex 6538 is 38mm x 15.2mm in height due to the doomed x 47mm lug to lug and a lug width of 20mm. The crown is I believe 8mm last I checked.
I tried the BB54 and it was an awesome watch! Love the fit and feel but also did not fit like a 6538 at all which makes sense because it is a nod to an older vintage but even then it is it’s own thing as the vintage it is based off of is larger lug to lug and thickness. So the BB54 does not wear like a vintage but it wears very different in a good way. For me I wanted something like the 6538 and the BB58 is my preferred. Specifically, the Gilt dial.
I think depending on which vintage you like most would determine which you prefer. Another option is simply owning both the BB58 and 54. For me I am waiting for 2028. I have a feeling they will make some refinements with the original BB58. They will make changes with the gnarling on the bezel and crown and may shrink it down to 38mm. Now that is a watch worth waiting for in my opinion. But no one would be wrong to own that nice BB54.
Did you steal this comment? I swear I’ve read this before
@@Alex4all
Lol!! No it is mine. I have copied and pasted to other forums and UA-cam videos because the topic itself is very intriguing and since I have experience with the 6538 and the 58 as well as the 54 I wanted to share. This was my best write up so you may see it other places as well.
A lot of videos want to call the 54 vintage but I needed to fix that misconception because it does not. It feels like nothing of the sort as far as vintage. Even the original model was larger lug to lug and larger in height. I wanted to make sure folks knew why the BB58 is closer to the real deal but also how great the 54 is but to be very honest when I say it wears uniquely and it like the BB58 are to me the best watches out there. The choice is dependent on how you feel but I don’t want you think it feels more vintage than the BB58 because it doesn’t. So instead of having to rewrite the comment over and over I simply copy n paste. Hope you enjoy Tudor because to me that will be the closest thing you will get to what Rolex used to be in my opinion.
54. As you grow older, you appreciate convenience more and more over design, look, etc. A smaller watch means more comfort. Simple as really.
Does Tudor use 904l on the black bay ?
Please bring back the old setup. It feels weird
Waiting on the call from my ad for the 54.
The 54
"if you're one of the people who does wear that size (37) or smaller, that's because you're part of the no-one group [8:11]". LOL yup yup mini wrists = tiny watch choices. I'm glad Tudor pitied us with the 54. So by geometry alone, it has my vote.
I'm waiting for the blackbay 68, when they update to the snowflake indices and no rivets that we really want 🤞🤞🤞
I'd probably buy the Seiko
Question to Watchfinder management : have sales and P/(L) improved since Andrew Morgan’s face reveal ?
I miss this old school type of video. Just hands and watches and poetry commentary. The disembodied voice we’ve come to know with no face 😂
I’d probably go for the red triangle. I don’t think 37 is too small but I’ve never worn one with a turning bezel. That might make it look too small, I’m not sure. But it doesn’t matter because I would want the red triangle. And while I have spent about that much for a watch I wouldn’t spend that much for a dive watch. Dive watches are beaters.
I would have to disagree the black Bay 58 maybe a dive watch but by no means is it a beater!! And this is coming from someone who's beater watch is a pelagos lhd
That's what I'm saying it's not a beater. I knock out the ceramic bezel inserts and crack the sapphire inserts. I'm not spending a lot of money on a bezel. Never wreck watches with regular bezels. I do think the current black bays looks better than a sub or any omega diver though, especially if they have a glossy ceramic bezel.
Still waiting for a call from my AD for a BB54. Why did I chose the 54 over the 58? Because I prefer the recreation 1:1 of à true vintage over "disney" neo-vintage and find the the 54 more "refined "
Personally I don’t like this new size .. far too small for me. The ‘58 is also too small .. and I find the BB 41mm as perfect. But I’d say the ‘58 is probably the best size and look for most.
I agree and for that reason I bought the BB GMT and the BB Black (41 mm.) and I'm really happy with both watches.
This small watch fad will pass
I want a 58 with the bezel of the 54
I'm the same. I want a Grand Seiko without the grand price or the Seiko name.
I love the cool coin edge bezel that matches up with the coin edge crown.
Vintage sizes are the best keep up the trend
Regarding the Omega price comparison, I think I’d still rather put the money towards a Seamaster.
The 58 for me (dreaming) only because my Invicta 😱 Pro Diver quartz is 37.5mm and looks super dinky. But hey, how good would they look without the snowflake? You know I’m right.
54 wins easily on refinement alone.
58 is great but appears just a bit juvenille, but thats why we love it.
58 juvenile? The 54 I’d say is more so if anything, as it’s sized for kids. Each to their own 👍🏻
@@KeepingWatchUK Yeah, juvenile is not the first word to come to mind when describing or comparing the BB58. It’s not even in the top 1000 words which might come to mind….🤔
He is just repeating the words of the reviewer. He said he found it juvenile. I find the 54 really boring looking. It’s the 58 minus all the charm of the gilted bezel with the red triangle and matching coin edge bezel and crown. But that’s just my opinion and it’s great there is something for everyone.
The 54 is Fun sized.
Good to put a face to the voice!
I have a 7” wrist. My watches range from a 27mm Santos Dumont Ultra Flat to a 38mm Holthinrichs Ornament. I believe I’d take the 37mm that no one wants! 😂
54 all day long. Try it on, it’s not small. It’s magic. However, holding out for a monochrome BB without any gold. Hope Rolex will allow it. I’d buy it immediately.
I’ve tried bb54 2 weeks ago, and it was too small. I didn’t like it at all. BB58 is a perfect watch. That’s why I will own one very soon.
Mentioning Alonso. Ok it’s my next watch lol
When wearing 36 which is almost on the big side and hearing that wearing 37 or below is the no one category 😅
I am proud to own that 54
Lol, did Watchfinder bought the Uncle straps? 😂
Yeah, The old format is a bad ass style delivery for Shure!
The incandescent bulb thing is mostly a myth. You can make one that lasts longer or practically forever, but at the cost of power efficiency. At some point it's better to have more light and lower power bills and replace the bulbs a little more often.
I miss the old format
the Emperors New Clothes come to mind with the 54
Any ideas as of when i can expect the 54 to reach the 58 levels of attainability? I've put my name down for one a couple of months ago and have yet to receive a reply.
I know they are hitting ADs. I've been to two this month who have had them in. Just new and can't keep up with demand yet. Last year, I think it was about 6 months before the BB GMT was widely available.
@@nicholaswheeler9249 good to know, thank you.
Hi Andrew!
I decided against both and took the Pelagos 39 instead. I would like to add another, better wearable, titanium watch to my collection I’ve got a big and chunky Tissot T-Touch wich isn’t suitable for everyday wear. The Pelagos has got a more modern look and was offered to me on my last AD visit. However the 58 and 54 maybe a good alternative to a vintage watch and would match my traditional pocketknives better… 🤔
Best wishes,
Claus
Agree, the Pelagos 39mm is better and the only watch I'd consider in the current line up
I went with the 58 in the end but that Pelagos bezel reallly had me sweating at the AD...even when they were sizing up my 58 I was like...do I go back and try on the Pelagos again!
This channel and P1 with Matt and Tommy are the same channel to me.
54, I am part of the “basically no-one group” because of my small wrist
The BB 54 is clearly better, more adult, nice bezel, without the over done patina from the 58, which I sold last week.. my wrist: 18cm😊
The 58 is perfect. The 54 is cold and toolier.
The red triangle is better. The snowflake seconds has more continuity. And the coin edging on the bezel and crown play with the light in a finer way and are very elegant.
Couldn’t have said it better.
For my part, I prefer the BB54 without the red triangle that I hate. I'm starting to save to treat myself one day, I hope, to a new version of the BB54 which will be released perhaps in the year 2024. The ultimate version for me would be the BB54 with a 38 mm case, real rivets, a golden crown (like the BB58) and a transparent case back to contemplate a better decorated movement. If a new version of the BB54 does not come out before I manage to put all my savings aside, I will then offer myself the current PELAGOS 39 or its new version which will be released soon perhaps.
@@luqman_4053 if that's your take, fair. But the BB54 is sterile imo, and doesn't offer anything beyond being a 1:1 reissue of a 7922. A red triangle 🔺️ is such a subtle pop to liven it up. First time I hear hate towards it. It's a throwback in its own right. BB54 still has the gilt dial and handset, but doesn't follow in the bezel; making it seem forced and even more out of place imo.
The MT movements are nothing to look at, even if they throw on some perlage. A diver with a display caseback is counter intuitive. A Pelagos 39 would be even more plain, as it is far 'tool-ier'.
BB58 can be worn any day, with anything, and dressed up if desired. Nothing more versatile exists.
39 always perfectestiestrer
Maybe I should have waited for the Blackbay 60. 38mm size, no snowflake hands or faux rivets, T fit clasp with a folding arm that's not too long...