Dave Portnoy Made a Terrible Watch Company. (Barstool Sports)
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
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Dave Portnoy, founder of Barstool, just came out with a watch company called "Brick". Since Brick opened it's digital doors though...it's been roasted. Cheap movements and cookie cutter designs set the watch world ablaze. To make things even worse...people quickly found out where the watches were made. We'll tell you more about it in the ol' vid.
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That watch is for the well off invicta shopper. 😅😅
Lmao
How dare you badmouth Invicta!! They have a couple of stunners ;)
For that price point he’s charging, I would buy Hamilton, Tudor, and …
Hamilton chronomatic. 100%.
Oris, Longines, used GS, etc. That market is so saturated it’s nuts.
Tag Heuer Autavia....not a tag fan but shit . At least you know who they are
$400 automatic khaki king ii 👑
Almost 3 Tissot PRX powermatics
Someone actually did find a catalog from American Watch Company. Their white label watches are priced between $100-$250 per unit. I suspect that Dave paid a little more for the custom designs. They're still not worth anywhere close to $2,400.
Liked the video as soon as I heard Christian say "Dog $hit move" 12 seconds into the video 😂.
Hahaha 100% same here
Guilty
When I think of a high quality, luxury but not overpriced watch, my Sinn watches come to my mind. The watches feel really great on the wrist and I always appreciate to wear a quality watch that I have earned. Would be really interested what you guys think of this brand. Hopefully I haven’t missed a review, if you have don it already.
Way to keep it real. And the Nomos to compare COMPLETELY BLOWS BRICK OUT OF THE WATER!!! I want that Terracotta one but it is sold out online ☹️
Portnoy’s insanely defensive response to the criticism of these watches tells you pretty much all you need to know about him.
Like so many hyped up chancers a walking ego!
It isn’t the first time.
is there any videos of it?
Typical idiot who got rich by accident and thinks he is smarter than everyone
On his instagram
LOVED this video from you guys. I appreciate the most when you comment on 1) vintage Rolex 2) relevant cultural stuff
Aren't Tissot PRX's $650? And they crush this barstool watch.
Couldn’t agree more. That’s like a 500$ watch. MAYBE.
Very big emphasis on the maybe
I’d peg it at $300, but I’d rather get Seiko.
You accidentally added an extra 0.
@@timeisahumanconstruct9251 Disagree, at $300 if you bought it - it pegged you.
"Maybe". And by maybe, you mean, not even.
What? I love you guys’ videos! My week just wont be perfect without watching you two talking crap and going on crazy tangents for at least 20 minutes 😂
Exactly. One of my top five favorite watch channels. In truth, came over to this channel cause Michael cracks me up, but the way these two go back and forth is fun to watch.
@@jimlittle5769 yeah the back to back is just priceless. Oh that and the fact that they sit too close to each other, pure class! Haha
The fictional watch company Portnoy was dreaming about (prior to creating Brick) actually exists. It's Oris.
exactly. portnoy is such a tool
Too many great places to get a watch with that kind of a budget. I agree with all the names you mentioned. Also Ball, Sinn, some Fortis, Formex, and second hand can get into some Omega and Tudor stuff.
Got to say you’re WAY to generous on your review of the Brick, after seeing the Nomos. I think the Brick wouldn’t be under priced at $500 and would be significantly over priced at $1000. Not even in the Hamilton league, let alone Nomos. Look at what Smiths gives you for under $500…And to top it off they’re asking for orders based only on computer renderings, so you can’t even see what the designs will look like in the flesh. And $2400 for a unseen Ronda quartz, YGBSM!
Hey hey hey, Christian, now tell me how you really feel lol. I love when you two really get rolling.
I think the criticisms here are objectively good. It is worth pointing out though, that the "watch community" is not everybody who wears watches, or even most of the people who wear watches. I don't think his target market are the people arguing online whether Omega fanboys are worse or better than Rolex fanboys.
You’re absolutely right… but let’s look at the likely purchase journey for a mass market consumer. Will they not examine the comments on a post? Google the watch? Maybe even ask the one guy they know that does like watches? Crazy!
@@TheoandHarris I agree. My comment is more of a footnote than a disagreement. What you've said perfectly describes the way I got here. But, look at all of the people out wearing Apple watches, or Michael Kors, or (dun dun dun) Hublot. Those people either skipped the research or were unaffected by it.
Great job Blizzy mattresses! Better than ordering a watch from a guy famous for making pizzas!
You guys absolutely nailed this. Every point is bang on.
The "humming noise" sounds like an air compressor. One of your neighbors made running one.
5:55 - Glad you pointed this out. The watch subculture is insane. To whit: I own a loupe.
That Nomos is stunning! That dial is absolute killer. Great vid guys, keep 'em coming.
2400 dollar for a 1 week old watch NOONE has ever heard of, is "Value"? Are you guys out of your freaking minds?!?!?!?!?!?! Whose gonna pay for this crap!
I’m not a watch guy but I am a fan of Barstool, if he was actually targeting his fanbase I’d say the cost of $150-$300 would make more sense.
Your marketing ideas here are honestly spot on! I love all those and think those would be great for the brand.
Totally agree also confused on how his day date one is the same price as his chrono 🧐😂
Probably for simplicity of pricing. It's just a different approach. Also they want it to be an achievement to own either not one over the other.
@@technom3598 I get that, personally I think they know they’re already overpricing it to begin with so they’ll make a profit off both.
@@DavisAB4 I don't disagree with that. Also I don't think that there is a big price difference between the two on a manufacturing scale so I think they just stuck with it. That's all my guess. Dave just seems like a simple guy. So I can see it sort of being swept over that that's not the important part...
BUT... To the watch community who obsess over details... It's a THING.
My Zelos Swordfish cost me $299 and is way better in everyway. (maybe not in movement for the selita based one but still).
I’ll have an Oris over that Brick any day. Thanks.
I bought a brand new Oris Aquis 41.5mm Calibre 400 from an AD for $2500 out the door a couple months ago. No way I ever consider this watch over the Oris....or really at all, but you brought up Oris 🙂
Christopher Ward, Mido come to mind that absolutely blow this watch away for 1/3 of the price.
And for just $1k more, you can get a C1 Bel Canto!
How can you say this if you haven't seen one in person and you don't know how much money the company is making?
The Nomos Club 38 Date Hodinkee in Pacific Blue is fire. All the colors look good. The blue sold out in ~30 minutes
23:20 That section is a mess. The mechanical movement part is unnecessarily confusing. “Well if these are mechanical movements, then what are automatic movements?”. The quartz section is just factually wrong, because “solar” and “kinetic” movements in this context are also quartz movements. AND that is a picture of what looks like a Rolex movement. I recognize that rotor.
That price is the same as the Longines Spirit 37mm and has none of the attributes!
At a thousand bucks it's overpriced, at $1,500 you're paying extra for the name, at $2,500 you're paying for Portnoy's next yacht
Honestly it’s more than a little embarrassing that Dave is so off the mark. Competing against NOMOS with lower quality and higher price point is just wrong headed. Still, as a photographer I see a LOT of guys wearing expensive crap on their wrists. Unfortunate that those that don’t know are more than those that do. Anyway, always nice to start the day with T&H. 😎👍🏼
Yikes, there are about 50 brands I would go for that pricing....and 50 more used.....Ball, Sinn, Squale, Casio Oceanus, Grail Seiko's, Fortis, Damasko, Marathon.........or just get a Squale and a plane trip to the factory for a tour.....or a Hamilton Khaki King Day and plane ticket plus two week bungalo rental in Dominican Republic on the beach....
A quick search turned up that exact Ronda 5040.D quartz chronograph movement for sale on eBay for $45.95. Lol. This guy totally doesn’t get it. Even a “Top Grade” SW200-1 costs less than $300. These must be some crazy cases and bracelets that explain the high price tag. Oh wait, they’re just 316L stainless…just like a $250.00 Seiko.
This is not even a $500 watch, this is firmly a tier under Seiko or Tissot
Great video guys. Good info. Glad you spoke your mind. And honestly, I'm going to take a second/third look at Nomos. I think the execution is 🔥 on this one.
Great video guys. So on point in this review. You give great points of comparison for both Dave and all of the entry level buyers trying to u defat and what’s different. I’d say it a $500-800. At most $1k. But one of his advertisers may have saw that as a affront to their market and he did a price review. But so many watches in that range. I would not be looking at that watch for that price. It’s not bad it’s just overpriced. But he may sell because he has a great following🤷♂️
Hard to see the value in this when micro brands are delivering so much quality at low prices, the finishing and specs look at most on the level of Baltic which are less than 40% the price
The chrono looks like something that you get with a bottle of cologne and the other one looks like a timex.
$2,400!!!!!! Looking at it I honestly thought you were going to say $250 for the date and $350 for the chrono, Now I know what the movements are I would say $900 for the auto and $500 for the quartz. But to be honest, it is so bland, I mean, BLAAAAAAND!
But $2,400, man, you could get a real watch from a real watch company for that. slightly used your into a used Baume Mercier mechanical chrono or date for the same money, from a proper company. As for the guy. I am British, his name and company mean absolutely nothing to me so his market is narrowed to just the US but did I mention, BLAAAAND!
Nomos Club in 36mm is an excellent watch with fantastic value.
I'm waiting for TGP line of watches.
So many amazing watch brands in the price point. He's got so much competition with a garbage product.
What kind of watch is Michael wearing?
You can get a wise adamascus for 600 it’s has miyoto 9015 904l stainless sapphire sandwich more proven and get better packaging and quality control I would guess , in short you can get watches better in every category for a quarter of the price
To quote myself, the watches are equivalent to a dog taking a shit in a box and it being sent to you.
Just an excuse to have BWC as a brand 🤣
😂
Nomos, Oris, Longines, Seiko 8L35 movement etc all immediately come to mind in that $2400 price category. Hell, even Tag Heuer is a better value proposition. I’m not sure who would buy this Brick Watch
This was a great video guys. I am a barstool fan and a Dave fan, however, comparably the Brick watches are not worth the price at all whatsoever. The comparison to that Nomos with the price point is the perfect example of how bad those Brick watches are. Good thing it’s called bricks because those watches will sit like brick in a wall….
Can you guys please review a Patek Philippe?
I love Barstool, but if you're telling me I can get Dave's watch or a Longines or Nomos, dude, it's not even a real question!
Dave is really finding out what a bunch of total nut bucket freakoids the watch community really are .. we are weirdly obsessional to very unhealthy levels .. The guy thought he was bumping out a few watches certainly never expected to face such a backlash … does make me laugh 😂
Nah, it’s an ugly, overpriced watch
I'd say well educated connoisseurs. Nut bucket freakoids, not so much.
I like the one bite pizza reviews. Tried his frozen pizza it was a 3/10. The guys a salesmen.
I thought we already have a lot of nice watches that don't have the Rolex brand name. Like, uhm..say.....Longines? Omega? Tudor? Oris?
It's a cruel world hopefully this will wake him up and get his team back to the drawing board
i think someone should have slid Dave a chrono Hamilton, or a Rado. there are some real banger watches at that price point.
He shoulda went MVMT route. He would make a killing. That clasp is horrendous and the font too. Atleast it has female endlinks 😂
What if that “10% proceed” is to pay American Watch Company for the actual cost of the Watch?! 😮
Return of the Omiwatari 💙and with the Zenith Revival Shadow: 2 of my fav modern watches
The watches look like Michael Kors or Fossil with low automatic Citizen or Seiko quality....maybe....for CRAZY money. I mean how are at least the automatic worth more than even $500 USD??? I really tried so hard to see where the value is! I can see these going on Jomashop for 80% off.
Grand Seiko charges $2200 for their quartz... That there says everything..
I totally agree. I'm a Dave Portnoy fan, but I'm not spending 100% more just for a name he represents.
Nomos exists and you have to account for that if you want to compete in that price.
Otherwise, you are just hoping you hit the very rare and very random "super high demand and we don't know why" lotto, I can't see how you make any impact in the watch world
I’m local in scotch plains. Great channel
I like Dave for the most part. Where he missed is that he doesn’t know his customers and market. He has stated before he isn’t a watch guy. He doesn’t understand how and why the Watch community (overwhelmingly his market here) sees this as a miss.
Exactly. Wonder how it came about him even starting the watch company.
Careful guys. He has already said he would hunt down a commenter!!
If they ever make a real life action Noddy Movie, Micheal would be a fantastic lead (looks wise).
It’s actually 20% of proceeds that go to the brick by brick fund. That’s a pretty decent chunk so the philanthropy is a large part of the decision to buy this. I don’t think “the watch community” is his target. It’s largely people who are unaware of the value proposition
He should have just marketed a barstool frozen pizza instead.
How long before we see these watches on QVC
The Brick watch has no brand equity trying to charge $2,400 for a Sellita on SS case. There is absolutely no reason to pay that much for a glorified Movado.
"Always, PizzE--za...."🍕🍕🍕
I’d like to hold one and play with it a bit to see if this is actually the crime that it appears to be.
Dude on the right reminds me of Donny from wolf of Wall Street
There’s zero shortage of the kind of watch Portnoy claims to have been intending to create. There’s lots of tremendous options around 2-2.5K. Hard to imagine he couldn’t figure that out before setting off on this venture.
He claims to know pizza- does he own a pizza shop? He’s proud, not to be a watch guy, that’s fine, until you try taking one to market.
New video idea, what are the best watches you can get for $2,200?
Great info. You exposed the truth.
It is indeed much more simple than people explains:
when you sell a watch for more than the price of its constituent parts combined, there has to be added value for the consumer. In established brands that tipically is a mix of: brand recognition, propietary design and added features over generic components.
Dave P. thought that his persona was the added value that makes the brand and therefore the 3x mark-up was justifyed - he received his lesson.
It's usually a bad thing when you get a brick in the box.
Perhaps a typo? They meant $240 and once it was released they thought just go with it. You were kind in your review and that was nice. This was a clearly a swing and a miss, but live and learn. Take your lumps and now tee up your mulligan. I feel I owe him that unless there is some attitude. Merry Christmas.
I like Dave Portnoy, I think he’s an interesting guy and he has good intentions. This is outrageous however. Should be a $350 watch tops. I think Dave got misled by the manufacturers
Your starting to get towards Longines and omega entry level at that price.
Rule #1 of starting a watch brand: don’t tell people that you’re “not really a watch guy”.
Way would you get this when you can get a Hamilton for the $500 range?
After watching Roman interview him, I’m shocked at how little Dave knows about watches.
Wait … the thicker the case = the better ? Right ? 😂😂😂
That's a tough sell, for that price I'm buying Oris, Nomos, or Monta
A lot of online personalities seem to have no scruples about what they sell. Thankfully I haven't seen Christian or Theo shilling "Kamikoto" knives yet.
300 to 500 max for the salmon dial one, for the for the chrono, nothing, i can get a swiss chrono as that for much less, that price level is for automatic one
If Richard Mille can pull off his markup I have no comment.
Isn’t this price point at least more honest when it’s on a Tag?
It lacks many design cues other watch brands don’t miss playing at that price point. It looks like a $300 watch at the department store.
$99
Never thought of Rolex as an earned watch, it works, personally look at Patek or Lange that way. Rolex is kind of on every wrist around me in NYC or Boston or Wellington, kind of a dime a dozen watch at this point. Love Nomos, that was my first “real” mechanical watch. Wasn’t expecting much from Bar stool sports watch, Brick watch delivered on what I expected a generic rebranded $500-1000 watch for way to much money.
I agree completely but know I’ll be tempted to pick up one of these pieces of shit off eBay for $800 in about 8 months 😂😂
That's still a ripoff.
If you're paying $800 for shit, wait by my toilet for a few hours.
Why is no one talking about how the watch is AMERICAN MADE.
people will pay extra if it is AMERICAN MADE. This IS.
now... How well is it made is the question.
Also... Dave wears t shirt and c
Jeans the dial suits that. Simple.
If it's made well... It might be a great watch
Nonsense. Read the Gear Patrol article on "What Makes a Watch American Made".
American assembly is not American made. The movements are not made in the US
What a joke. For 2500 dollars you could get a Tissot PRX chronograph with an automatic movement, and a Hamilton Khaki Auto on a bracelet with an 80 hour power reserve… could have a pair of quality Swiss watches with incredible value for money and mountains of heritage and history surrounding the brands. I feel like Portnoy’s attempt at generating some sort of blue collar appeal to his brand is a disingenuous effort to create some niche in the watch world that has already been filled by multiple companies with well over internet 100 years of history behind them. He also was being pretty insulting and condescending to “watch nerds”… who would likely be his customer base anyway with that price range and lack of brand recognition. Idk why so many people love this dude anyway. Seems pretty obnoxious.
What kind of watch is the guy on the left wearing
There are some products where celebrities can cash out with subpar products dressed up as quality. Watches ain't it. Watch freaks are way too nitpicky and exacting to let you get away with that.
Nomos nailed it with this Hodinkee watch. Speaking of plug & play, I would love to see someone just focus on case/bracelet combos for great movement. An example is g shock (market presence). I think someone might be able to come in with a quality Ag or Au example (case/bracelet) under 2400. I think that would be 🔥. 🍻
I'm saving my thousands of bucks for a watch made of actual pizza. Pizza from China of course.
It’s an American made watch case with a Swiss movement. What’s made in China?
@@EDHBlvd Here's what their website says: "Watches designed, engineered and built in the United States. We use Swiss and imported parts where necessary to ensure the highest watchmaking standards." When watch companies use this kind of elliptical language, a reasonable assumption is that many of the parts come from Asia. I'm interested in what your source is for the cases being made in the US.
“Built in USA” implies they make them in USA. It’s much more likely the imported parts (beyond imported Swiss movement) are some screws and small pieces. If they are even importing the cases, then they should be “assembled in USA”. That is the terminology used when a manufactured imports the majority of parts and only puts them together in the states.
@@EDHBlvd That's not how it works, my friend. The FTC has very strict guidelines on when you can claim a watch is Made in USA and I'll wager Brick comes nowhere close. You may recall that Shinola went to great lengths to suggest their watches were Detroit made, which turned out to be utter b.s. Bear in mind that Portnoy is a self-proclaimed marketer, not a profession usually associated with truth and transparency.
What watch is Michael wearing in this video?
You’re being very very generous saying they could be priced at $1500