Wotr let's you play as a lich. An ACTUAL lich. With the right spells and everything. You can ride an undead raptor. You can build your own undead palace. You can revive your enemies and make them party members. You can revive bosses to fight for you. Oh and animate dead actually works like animate dead. Idk why bg3 has that stupid limitation where you need corpses. Anyway bg3 was fun and I liked it a lot. But I'm currently playing wotr and my god the variety of classes and mythic paths etc is just wow. Absolutely amazing.
@@Werglia I seriously hope rogue trader is this good or better. I don't ever have hope for games these days but I do have some for that game. There's so much they can do and it seems they're listening to players based on the feedback they've been giving from the beta
cmon man i played nearly all of the main crps and indie crpgs and wotr is very not fun game to play ,, quality is just low , btw i beat game on unfear so its pro opinion , wotr had problems tons of them , its will be good if you search what problems wotr had make a video and show it to people and developers , to just scream that its good game wont change anything , with poor sales they will always have low buget and quality will be low , so its better to help developers with showing and telling them what is bad and not just blindly praise game and game just dont deserves it , i can talk about problems i have but it will take too much time
As i get closer to finishing my first bg3 playthrough, i am actually anticipating replaying WoTR more and more. As I play bg3 it makes me realise just how good WoTR was.
I bought BG3 on day 1 of its release and played it non-stop till I finished it - the later I was into the game the more I felt that urge too. After the final credits rolled the need was so hard I just re-downloaded WotR right after and jumped into my 3rd playthrough, which took me around 180 hours. Really enjoyed BG3 for the most part, but going back to WotR right after it really scratched that itch for me, can only recommend. In fact I was already theory crafting my builds as I was going through the last hours of BG3 xd
@@roarbillion2255 Yup. There are already some mods that increase the amount of enemies on the BG 3 world, due to that fact. l use one that quadruples the number of enemies on the BG 3 world.
@@xd666xdNo amount of mods will fix the shithole of story pacing and dialogue design that is in bg3. You may as well remove all the npcs in act 3 to even make it work thinking about.
As someone who was never into the CRPG genre, I'll say that thanks to BG3, I'm more interested in trying other CRPG's. I don't think the difficulty of BG3 is a downside as I imagine many players like myself might not have ever gotten into this genre otherwise if it wasn't for the accessibility of BG3. I do agree that BG3 is very easy even on tactician, but it complements more of a sandbox-oriented style of play where you can solve any fight in any way you want and validates any class or build which makes for more fun role-play. I've been looking into Pathfinder WOTR because of BG3 has made me interested in the genre, but WOTR is very daunting given the information I have about the game that makes it more intimidating to get into apposed to how beginner-friendly BG3 is. That said, BG3 has easily become my favorite RPG I've ever played and I can't wait to get into Divinity OS2 and eventually WOTR.
You need to get ready for WOTR. Play Pillars 1 and 2, Tyranny, Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age Origins, Kingmaker, wasteland(s) and once you finish at least 5 games try WOTR.
I only finished Wasteland 3 before Wotr, and I still found it is really hard to play other game once you have enough time with wotr or kingmaker. It's such a masterpiece. My first run was even the GD mythic path. The path which most players it is unfinished but it still far better than other games' experiences. I want to play the rogue trader just because owlcat.
Bg3 is like starfieild. I played starfield and finally bought cyberpunk and even tho i burned out that theme of game in gta3 back then i can say cyberpunk is a solid game as of now. As for bg3, made me realize just how amazing wrath was to where my main compaint was the forced sosiel interactions but hell thats a joke next to bg3 as a whole. Mechanically the game is retarded. Literally.
@@Werglia haha that's a bit rough, I don't have more than maybe 10 hours a week to play games, I'm not gonna be alive to start WOTR before finish your recommended list
Playing bg3 motivated me to finally dive into WotR. Had it on my pc for about a year, but never gave it the time it deserved. I loved bg1 and 2, and there’s a lot about bg3 that I love, but WotR has something special about it that keeps me hooked more than 300 hours in, and Bg3 will never have that for me. Even just on story and characters, I care a lot more about areelu vorlesh than any of bg3’s antagonists, which are all pretty mid at best.
I definetly agree with you on the tone. While there is definetly humour in wotr it is generally cynical and sarcastic and it comments on the world, the events, the story. Now the humour in BG 3 is abudant and usually light comedy, which banalizes the weight of the story. For example removing one of your eye in a botched surgery is played off as a light joke. An incumbi wanting to rape you in Raphaels palace is prestented in a light hearted comical manner. The humour in BG 3 is anesthetic in nature and it prevents you to meaningfully experiance the narrative. You can play wotr in a simmilar manner, but that is an optional mythic path.
In wrath there is a wedding as an acknowledged attempt to find peace. Turns out demons and the problem is bigger than the wedding just to remind you there is no peace or time to fck around. Meanwhile in bg3 wyll is practicing ballet, halsin wants to be mounted, lazel forgets the gaik inside but wants to mount you, karlach act as if she isnt a walking bomb with a mindflayer, its all so fckng stupid. Im so glad i have uninstalled that shit every second made me hate the west more than i cared to notice.
This is where I stand on the comparison between these two games: I am devastatingly, heartbroken that it looks like Owlcat is getting out of the Pathfinder creation game. Whereas I could care less whether or not Larian continues working with wizards of the Coast.
I started Wotr after playing through BG3 two times and I'm pretty sure if you threw enough money to make some cutscenes and more voiceovers, maybe make a "casul" character creation mode, it would be as successful as BG3 if not more. I can't believe I did not play this gem for last 2 years.
@@shitdemon487 i'm against wokeism as much as the next person, maybe even more. I fail to see too much woke BS in bg3. Just that they can romance anyone regardless of sex or other differences? Is that wokeism in your opinion?? "Hey, gay people exist" "That's joke woke bullshit". Really????
I'm only partially through so apologies if you mention this. Recently finished both games doing Dark Urge and Demon playthroughs and gotta admit the level of consequences WotR made me consider and how that would reflected in the prologue instantly made me want to play again and try different paths. Where as my DU playthrough felt like the world didn't adapt to my choices as much as I'd like. But I do understand it's much easier to write when everything isn't voiced
One thing I absolutely agree with you on is the chaotic good, chaotic evil stuff. BG1&2 you had to be careful not to do the wrong thing because you will make powerful people leave your party. I remember one campaign in bg1 jaheria left me because I was attacked by the flaming fist and I defended myself. I was playing a good character and thought I was doing the right thing. Bg3 I think you have to try to actually make people leave.
pathfinder is much more complex in charetecr progression and customization and im fine with that, bg3 is amazing no doubt but is a much softer and simple game to understand and play problably 90 % people go finish bg3 dont even reach half of the pathfinder game, keep the good work bro
Pathfinder is just as easy too. You ever see the broken one man Unfair builds? Such as solo invisibility with cloudkill. Or the 140 AC build? Werglia literally has over 90hours of save scumming every second. That should be a world record for lack of comprehension. I played Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous with LITERALLY the same builds ive been using in Icewind Dale, Baldurs Gate One Two and THREE and still easy mode the silly games. A four man mercenary team ignore the companions easy. Been doing it in all games on hardest difficulty. Even use those characters in board games and cheese campaigns. When talking about physics, dialogue, character development and story branches, Badurs Gate 3 sets the bar so high Owlcat will be stuck in development hell for a decade if they try to beat that. And possibly go bankrupt and get bought out if they tried.
@@Abp.Mars-Assembly No its not easy i dont care about yt builds. I made my own builds and play, also dont use broken. Combat reflexes/atacks of opportunity. Its all about you, with YT u can make all game very easy, its not for me. I love crpg dont wanna ruin my experienice with YT.
You can literally transfer basic technique from the first crpgs to the Pathfinder games and easy mode the hardest setting. Not everyone is good at crpgs or tabletop, but bottom line is no one gets good without actually doing homework. Werglia is a big example of that@@sechu2
BG3 was my first cRPG and although I enjoyed it I did pick up on a lot of these issues you talk about even without having the past experience I am more than eager to get my hands on Wrath of the Righteous you sold me on it! The biggest turn off for me was the trading 00000 use for the money I finished my BG3 run with over 60k gold like its no use whatsoever another big thing was how many useless scrolls they give you, I basically finished the game without using any scrolls like I think I used only mobility scrolls the rest was pretty much not needed, why waste my whole turn using 1 scroll when I can do more damage just attacking normally xD
y i didn't have to think about battles after act 1 till i installed 5 difficulty mods from nexus XD a Better AI mod, a enemies have more spells, or use them more mod, a ennemies have boons mod, a double hp and flat bonnus to stats mod, and stronger bosses mod :D, after the mod the game became fun to me tho, and i fully played through it, i do realy hate some quest that i would if i could go back in time and tell myself to ignore, or better lock the developper in a cell for a day, on the day he was having these trash ideas.
@@djordjesamuilovic5069 on point my man, and to end it all after my 3 hours long battle against furniture!? I get STUCK in the wokest fcking scenes ever "woman's are powerfull" y well we don't care! Even worse : I gave my own damn fcking hard earned act 1 money!🤔 cause I play monk and had artisan background! Hoped to get really great things out of this damn quest : 200gp is a ton act 1... And I get gale?🐀I see him all the time! Who fcking needs his portrait?! In case Iose faresight? I'd rather buy glasses with these 200gs!🤣
Its odd that Camilla is more respectfully asking for your consent compared to guys in BG3. Good thing I'm alone at home (no "Are you winning son?" moments) but still feels awkward experiencing those scenes.
Thanks for doing this video! I like both games Ive been playing Crpg's for 35 years I think WOTR is the better game overall, although I remember having to use Toybox to finish it, so does have some game breaking bugs also
I had to play bg3 with mods to increase the difficulty so I found every mod that converts the systems to 5e entirely then played it on max difficulty with adding 1 ac to all enemies increasing their hp by 40% and reducing camp supplies. With that mod setup which was also very clear and lightweight(just following the 5 e rules) the game was infinitely better. It’s a matter of taste but I like when the stakes are real and challenging it makes the story even better.
BG3 is in many ways a remarkable game, but having completed one playthrough, I presently have no motivation to play through again, even though I fully intended to do a good guy run having done an evil playthrough. I was motivated to do this until getting into chapter 3. The most obvious failing is the unsatisfying ending, with the upper city basically being almost entirely cut content and a lack of even basic ending slides for the great majority of even the significant side quests. For a game that makes choice and consequence its selling point, having the ending play out in one of handful of ways (none of which are fleshed out or satisfying) with most decisions not even being referenced at all, and for this to be the final experience of your playthrough, really does somewhat spoil the appeal. It excels in its detailed environments and providing you with different options for resolving its quests. However, whilst most people's intuition is that it should make the game highly replayable, in practice, I don't think it is. Yes, you can try playing through the game as each of the origin characters or to try different options for different quests (like siding with Minthara vs the tieflings for example), but personally, I don't at all feel like it. Yes, there will be something new to see with each such playthrough, but it will remain substantially the same game. If the basic gameplay, that is, the combat and mechanics and character building are subpar, then I am not prepared to do a 100 hour slog to see maybe an hour or two's origin specific content. Playing different classes or mythic paths in WotR holds a lot of appeal. Without mythic paths, with a much lower level cap and frankly a much shallower ruleset, in addition to the utterly trivial difficulty, replaying BG3 to see different class mechanics really doesn't hold very much appeal. Also, whilst plenty of choice and consequence does exist, its all too often a choice between the obviously optimal option and one or more clearly bad options. Having sided with Minthara, whilst she is fine as a character, her unique content is very sparse and comes at the cost of 3 other characters and all the tiefling quests and chapters 2 and 3. It just feels like obviously the wrong choice. Or take the options for dealing with the hag in chapter 1. Yes, you can let her permanently debuff you. You can abandon the pregnant woman. You can fight her and not decide to get her permanent buff. There are probably a significant number of possible permutations of decisions for this quest, but ultimately, the correct choice is not have her pluck your eye out, get the permanent buff and pass a speech check to get her to release the woman. Larian put a lot of effort into the voice acting and cut scenes to accommodate the range of different options it gives you for resolving the goblin/tiefling conflict or dealing with the Hag, but, as with many options in this game, most choices are not compelling. To my mind, its a significant misallocation of resources to put so much effort into fleshing out obviously subpar decisions, particularly when you still fail to even finish the game properly. Its perfectly obvious missing the upper city and the naff ending sequence was not the original vision Larian had and whilst I accept there will always be things you cannot do, to fail to deliver a decent ending in a narrative focussed game when you put so much effort into things the game simply didn't need is obviously getting your priorities wrong. Also, the game is just really slow paced. Doing anything in this game seems unreasonably time consuming, and its not just the turn based only combat. The way dialogue is interrupted by roll animations, the style of environmental exploration, it just takes forever to get anything done. WotR is actually a very similar length, but when I play it, I just feel like I am getting a lot more done.
To be fair, I enjoy BG3 being more casual in difficulty and tone. Means I can play it with a wider variety of friends.I never got into Pathfinder, due to never having played the tabletop, the ability tooltips being objectively way too bloated (and often incorrect) and choice paralysis being way too big. Having played a ton of BG3 got me into the cRPG itch that was needed to sit down and finally chew through the awful beginning stages of WotR and finally see it for the gem it is and enjoy it. Also, small caveat, I vastly prefer turn-based over real time with pause, and I'm glad they went with that in BG3 and gave the option for it in WotR, since that's the proper way to play a D&D game. (=
WotR, like that Arcane show, is great example of how you can have diverse characters in terms of skin color and sexuality, while not writing them like Netflix characters (yes, I know Arcane is a Netflix show lol, but it's probably one of few Netflix shows that are good, so it's an exception). What's funny is that, when I started WotR, I rolled my eyes when the first companion you see is Seelah, a dark lady Paladin, and Anevia's and Irabeth's relationship was revealed, I thought "Ooo boy, they are going to act like Karens, aren't they?". Because I am so used to minority characters being written like that by woke writers. But as I played the game, I realized that "Huh, these characters are written like actual people, wow". Such a breath of fresh air compared to most movies, shows and games that come out these days.
the knockout advantage of BG3, the one mentioned in the end: BG3 introduced cRPG to a new audience.. as such, everyone in cRPG industry benefits from the success of BG3.. BG3 is a very popular streaming cRPG game on Twitch, for instance.. there are lessons to learn from BG3
I came from BG3 to WoTR and freaking love WoTR. I appreciate what BG3 did but WoTR blows it out of the water to me. Wife says it's too complicated compared to BG3 so she's still sticking with that. Especially when I told her about the attacks on your camps if you are camping in the dungeons
Went back here for a reality check on BG3. It's sad that some group likely brigaded your review of BG3. Fortunately, I listened to it 3+ times, so I kinda remember the game's faults according to your analysis. Take care, bro!
I like both games, but what bums me the most is that you dont get to be a super badass level 20 demigod in BG3. You spend most of the game being a pawn and tangled in someone else's schemes and plans, and you only fight goons and mid level enemies (lore-wise, though idk how strong the dead gods avatar are supposed to be) at best. In WoTR you lead a massive army, you slay DEMON LORDS (plural), and you even get to transform into mythical beings while doing it. The badass feeling is superb, especially when paired with the Mythic Power OST. Heck, even in Divinity Original Sin 2 you get to toy with extremely strong stuffs (granted, most of the higher level skills are unbalanced, but personally I find wrecking enemies with them is fun) that even literal Gods wouldnt take you lightly. Im not a "good" crpg player by any means, I had to play DOS2, BG3 and Rogue Trader to ease me in first before I got to WoTR, but man the "mediocrity" of power scaling in BG3 feels annoying to me.
For me, Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous had more impressive companions and the dialogue at the camps was very interesting, I don't think Baldur's Gate3 did as good a job as the above two games in this regard...
Are we gonna pretend Irabeth wasn't married to a canonical trans person? I remember RPGCodex using that to say how Pillars was better. Oh how times and scapegoats have changed.
Trust me, if someone wanted for BG3 to be like BG 1 and 2, I did. I wanted to play and create content for this game for years to come, but alas that won't be the case. It's stupified to the point where it's pointless to create content for it.
You need to get educated a bit. The only reason BG1 and 2 were real time with pause is because of success of Diablo. D&D CRPGs were always supposed to be turn based but BioWare changed their mind about that because real time action got really popular in that time.
Indeed. BG1 was also criticized for all the things BG3 is being criticized for: it was considered a casual game that dumbed down the formula for computer RPGs at the time. BG1/2 are also very easy without mods, but that's a separate discussion.
I still think Kingmaker is the best crpg of past decade, thats my personal opinion, wotr has a lot of more and better content and systems, but kingmaker has a special vibe to it :)
There are 2 major issues I had with WotR: First, fighting Demon hordes the entire time felt less interesting to me than the far larger enemy variety in Kingmaker: Predominantly Fae, Monstrosities, Undead, sure. But, there was still quite a bit more. Second, the Mythic Paths mean a huge power creep; it is not a level 1-20 campaign, like Kingmaker, but rather approximately a level 10-30 one. I preferred the far more grounded nature of Kingmaker where you spent most of the time at the most "interesting" character levels: It also resulted in a better pacing.
I feel the same way, Kingmaker is more grounded and I enjoyed it more. It is actually not a mental challenge having to apply 40 buffs pre battle all the time. Its just dull and repetitive, clearly over the top.
As someone who's really enjoyed both games, I feel like this is just brutally slanted against BG3 for non-gaming reasons. Specifically: * I won't defend BG3's AI, but the overall difficulty is in line with an actual D&D game; a campaign where even 10% of encounters had a real risk of a party wipe would be a *bonkers* campaign. * Lumping map variety in with graphics is an obvious excuse to avoid giving BG3 a point for graphics. * The meme that BG3 shipped in a polished state is obviously wrong, but Wrath was by all accounts a total trainwreck at launch, so patience is fair there. * Demons are at least 3/4 of the enemies you fight in Wrath, and that is absolutely enough to make classes/spells/items that aren't good against them essentially worthless. * "Turn-based is for casuals" is a...very unusual opinion. * Wrath has *far* fewer options in combat that aren't just attacking or casting a spell. Toggling Power Attack is less fun than e.g. knocking a platform out from under the enemy archers. * Aside from the goofy satyromania epidemic, BG3's characters are more dynamic and nuanced; Wrath has interesting characters, but the writers *really* hammer their traits home.
It's sad when you really think about it. I remember when I first played WOTR I couldn't put the game down at all, I think I dropped over 100 hours on it in two weeks. With Bg3 I've been playing bits and pieces occasionally. I've already started several saves in Bg3 and I'm barely in Act 2 on any of them. At first I thought I was "savouring" the game, but in truth it's just a boring crpg. Once you get past the movielike cinematics and graphical design, the game feels a lot more dull. Fuck, having a god damn mind flayer parasite in your head is practically a "minor nuisance."
Nah, there’s a reason BG3 has become the phenomenon it is. WOTR is highly tactical and technical with tons of crunchy combat. For the average player, that can get exhausting. Even though I like tactical combat and enjoyed the game, I still found it exhausting to play. Never once felt like that with BG3. Larian got the balance right. BG3 is too easy for the CRPG hardcore and too hard for those who are accustomed to mindless button-mashing, but those are the extremities of the bell curve. For everyone else, it’s just about right.
I've hardly heard a word about these pathfinder games but you convinced me that I have to give them a chance. People seem more tough on them than bg3, especially the first one, which seems to have controversial timed quest mechanics
After having a taste of what happens when a CRPG is funded with millions of dollars and having the first AAA game in CRPG (Baldurs gate 3) i cannot go back to other CRPG games.
Somehow, while playing pathfinder, I didn't feel that I had to finish side quests with companions as soon as possible, despite the fact that there were twice as many of them. didn't feel: "i'm going to finish all these side quests in order to finally do the main quest as soon as possible already. in BG3 side quest characters are a joke. the longer i played bg3, the more i appreciated pathfinder
Puzzles in Wrath of the Righteous are good? Bro that is false. Naino or whatever that fox girl name is has the worst quests and puzzles I have ever seen in a video game. There is a reason why her questline is considered the worst in the game.
I think ppl cant help but attempt to compare bg3 to the oldies because of how mainstream it is. They attribute global success means best crpg but that isnt the case. Your analysis that bg3 is like a netflix show and Wotr is a book is the best analogy in comparing the 2.
Great opinion piece @Werglia Completely agree with you. Thanks for being the only sane and knowledgeable voice for the CRPG community. I agree with all your points, WOTR is a better CRPG on all levels. But I also agree that if 2 out of 100 players try POE 1 or BG2 it did it's job. I actually had fun in BG3 with all its f'd up crap... its a beautiful game visually and Borislav's soundtrack is simply amazing.
I love how brutally honest Werglia is. I've been playing cRPG since the 80's. I am not a big fan of D&D 5e rules. With that being said I am enjoying it but not as much as WOTR. I love the build system in Pathfinder. All different character classes are endless. There so much depth. All line texts and the bugs was really the only issue I had with WOTR.
Tbh it is no suprise BG3 took alot more time to finish, with all mocap and va everything (lots of rewrites along the way). I remember how broken cutscenes were at begining of ea.
For me, the biggest detractor with Baldur's Gate 3 is the turn based over real time with pause. The characters and world building are phenomenal but I find the endless turn based battles super annoying and a massive breaker of immersion. I also think that I prefer the combat mechanics more in PWotR.
I am not very experienced in the cRPG genre, but the general feeling I have is 'shit and giggles' over emotional depth in the story. The feeling of 'being in the basement with my pals rolling the dice and having fun' is prioritized over a genuine story willing to touch sensitive matters and reach some level of depth.
---> About useless loot I know there are lots of useless items, like forks and plates, but these add to the world. You can see physical objects on a desk and get all of them if you want to. It makes the world feel a bit more alive. It also tells a story... a simple example is when you go to an old place and almost all the food is old too. Its a small touch that makes it feel more alive, just like Skyrim does it too (and Fallout, I think). You can also examine some of these objects and they can have unique descriptions or rare descriptions, like 2 earrings can be identical, but one belonged to a married woman, and another to a jewelry vendor... you might have found that inside a home, which indicates a married woman lived there before. It is a small touch that adds to the game. ---> About Combat I played the game on normal, and it was my first RPG, and the game was not easy at all. AI was not as dumb as you claim, although they did some dumb stuff sometimes. But there were multiple instances where I would place fire on a path, and they retreated and went to another direction. I had to constantly play smart, and it involved a lot of strategy. Every single fight is unique and impose a different type of challenge. So at least to me, the game was challenging the whole time I played it. Although Pathfinder is much harder, it is a very different game. You don't jump around to get far from enemies, you don't push them the abyss, you don't throw them backwards to they can fall on a fire grass, you don't climb to a upper part of the arena to run from melee, you don't interact with the environment to deal damage, you don't sneak behinder walls mid combat to hide in the shadows. Baldurs Gate 3 has a lot of gameplay options that are "mechanical", that relies on you interacting with the world itself. Pathfinder does not have that. I'm on Act 3 and only saw that on that Act 1 or 2 fight where you push 2 pillars on the enemies. ---> About woke All I'm going to say is that you really seem to be offended by LGBT characters, but I can be wrong and I just read you wrong. Characters are bissexual because they wanted players to date any character they wanted, without the need to start a new game again. The most popular mod for Pathfinder WOTR, Toybox, has an option for that, to make everyone bissexual so you can date anyone. It has NOTHING to do with being woke or not. Pathfinder starts with a female black paladin, a female ranger and a female shaman. Then Lann and Wenduag enter the party. Anevia is married to a woman. The beginning of the game can be just woman around you, if you don't choose Lann... and one of them is a lesbian. Is all that woke????? Did they chose a black woman paladin because they are woke? One could say that, but I find it to be just stupid. ---> Consequences BG3 has minor consequences everywhere... conversations end in many different ways, most quests, if not all of them, can end in multiple ways. You also mix combat with dialogue, both are close to each other. You can start a conversation and not have any fight, or start a conversation and make an enemy be your ally, or you sneak past enemies and get the key without being noticed, or you divide your party in 2 and some sneak past enemies to get a key while the other 3 distract enemies... You can throw a bomb in the middle of the enemy base and explode everything, you can make a bard distract people with music, you can enter a base by flying and starting with height advantage, you can give money guards to pass by a gate or you can climb cliffs and pass the gate with jumping mechanics... Pathfinder WOTR does not have these stuff, it does not give this freedom to players. So every move, and place you go, can be done in multiple ways in BG3. The minor moment to moment gameplay has dozens of choices and outcomes, and that barely exists in Pathfinder. WOTR does have tons of consequences, and you change the entire world in multiple ways, but it does feel mix the fighting with exploration and dialogue like BG3 does. So BG3 has way more ways for the players to express themselves in the world, using the mechanics of the game in multiple creative ways. ---> Ending I'm at Act 3 of BG3, stopped playing it to check WOTR out of curisity, and I can't stop playing WOTR, so far, I like it more.
Baldur's Gate 3 and the quality of its writing and story is impossible to talk about without addressing the elephant in the room: The Dark Urge. It changes the story drastically, to the point that, as someone put it on the wiki, the game goes from being a D&D comedy to a Dostoevsky tragedy. The Baldur's Gate sequel that everyone wanted is there, buried deep down, but you HAVE to play as The Dark Urge. It makes the game so much more serious.
@@broseidon2519 You realize Dostoevsky loved humor, too, right? The punchline to the Grand Inquisitor is Alyosha kissing his brother on the lips to shut him up. If it really upsets you that I compared the Dark Urge's redemption arc to Crime and Punishment, I recommend learning from Dostoevsky and developing a sense of humor yourself.
Just now getting into wotr (act4). Great game, but so far i enjoyed bg3 more. Full voice acting would have went a long way to help. I'll list some things not really touched on in this video. Stealing non existent in wrath (Briefly touched on). The full open world means not constantly loading in bg3. Buffs are a pita to the point of me not wanting to use them in wrath. They go away the second you step into the map and travel very far. The fatigue/exhaustion system is super annoying to have to camp every 5 to 10 seconds of movement on the map. The music is great in both games as you mentioned, but it's not even close. Bg3's music is way better. I'm still hitting bugs in wrath. For example, after playing the game for a couple hours the game will start to lag really bad in battles, especially when you kill an enemy. Restarting the game seems to fix it. I've seen reports of this from 2 years a go and it's still not fixed. That being said it's still a really fun game. I enjoy your videos and I've been watching little bits here and there of your live steam on unfair.
I couldn't get into Wrath of the Righteous. I originally got it on release as a player who had been actively playing D&D 5e & used the Pathfinder rules previously so I was familiar with the system. I stopped around the middle of the act crusade thing. After BG3 I tried a new start and tried to give it another chance but it was just not fun. I found leveling to be a full day event. As I got farther into the game to feel like a was doing an hardcore exam.
As someone who's number one game for years was BG2 I finally buckled down and bought BG3 recently. I assumed I would enjoy it, but that it would be a bad and unnecessary sequel, and I was right. It is a good game, and parts of it I'm loving... but it's a piss-poor BG game. In truth, there should never have been a BG3. The entire Bhaalspawn saga ended very clearly with Throne of Bhaal, and you couldn't get anymore epic and conclusive than that trilogy. You either become a god or remain a mortal. And if you do remain a mortal what the hell is the Bhaalspawn gonna do that'll top the stuff they already dealt with? I have a lot of problems with BG 3 already (while playing it) but the biggest issue is just that it's a BG game in the first place. It was a cash grab, and successful one. And now, since Larian just stopped working with Wizards of the Coast, then it all feels even more hollow and pointless. They could have just made Original Sin 3, which is essentially what they didn't with a veneer of Forgotten Realms atop it. WOTR, though very different from the original BG, feels more like the old BG games.
Bought WotR last night. Was trying to wait until I got through Kingmaker, but after playing BG3 and hearing so much about it, I'm going to give it go starting tonight. Also, subscribed to your channel. Every video I've seen from you has been honest and straightforward. Keep up the good work!
Wrath by a long shot wins for me but I did enjoy BG3 as well however I cant see myself doing another playthrough. Back to wrath for me. Convinced 2 of my brothers to buy it too and they are loving it so far 😎
Both are fun, though pathfinder is the adult in the room, that doesn't mean hanging with the adult is always the best thing to do. I will say this you can enjoy both, and i do. Its like young adult fantasy novels, and adult novels, both have their places in fantasy, both bring something enjoyable, both are worthy of ones time, but are different taste, bualders gate is the young adult novels.
I have finished my Wotr run 2 times in the past, as a Lich and Devil. After i finished my 2nd run on BG3, i plan on getting back to wotr. I enjoyed wotr story and combat more but i can't lie that BG3 is pretty good because of the cinematic scene and voice acting, my first run was evil dark urge and i had fun playing it. Now though I'm playing as a goody two shoes just to get some cutscenes and story im missing. But overall, i agree with most of what you said. Oh, and one thing though, BG3 follows the shitty DnD novels not the previous game that's why some of the character like Sarevok is a Bhaalist.
Pathfinder gameplay is just so much better cause you really feel how strong you get. You can infinitely cast level 1 spells, wands, can make the enemy kill it self, by pass feat requirements and all that just trickster. You have classes that break the game rules like the ability to dual wield 2 handed weapons. Combined with mythic path you really feel like your on a path on becoming a god.
Say what you will about ‘Netflix’ presentation, but in BG3 is was blown away when Shadowheart actually had autonomy and made a decision for herself based on how I treated her. And that’s good enough for me to call it a great RPG, don’t think I’ve ever played one where that is possible, usually what will happen is you have to have a certain reputation with companions to be allowed to make a decision for them.
The performance is the most ridiculous thing for me in BG3. I noticed my gpu temps were in the high 80s almost 90s, but I somewhat found a workaround by capping the frame limit to 60fps Oh also p.s. Larian cut the fucking elevation switching camera worst decision
i just like pathfinder 1.0 as a system wayyyym more than 5e. BG3 is a better game for a majority of players unless you enjoy that classic crpg with a lot of crunch. I like both the same for different reasons.
I did enjoy playing bg3, but despite all the glitter and sparkles I felt like the pathfinder games were better. bg3 is a watered down crpg that will unfortunately bring droves of casuals to the genre, and praise it's success in spite of it's flaws even though they probably never completed a crpg in their life.
I havent played these titles yet. But I played Divinity OS 2 and Kingmaker. While Kingmaker has a lot of issues it seems way more interesting more down to earth (no chosen one tropes). Has meta progression of building the kingdom. I havent finished both these games yet but Divinity OS both 1 and 2 have poor writing in my opinion they feel like a home brew D&D with bad DM. On the other hand Divinity combat is an interesting puzzle solving excersize. Comparing Kingmaker where you slay hordes of enemies both are equal in that regard. I kind of missed easy combat encounters in Divinity OS mixed in the harder ones.
divinity 2 isn't a crpg,that would be original sin 2,divinity 2 was really good at the time on xbox360 one of the only games you play as a dragon while divine divinity is an old isometric game that doesn't have much to it but it was decent
So while I agree I do prefer wotr, I think you were a bit harsh with your criticism of Bg3. I'm the type of casual bg3 was designed for, but I bought wotr during steams 2022 Christmas sale because I really enjoyed early access for bg3 and wanted to try a full crpg and I'm so glad I did because after 400 hours in wotr before bg3 was a cake walk for me in terms of difficulty. I think bg3 being based of 5e probably had something to do with the difficulty or lack there of. I might be wrong I am a casual, but on the whole I agree with your opinion just think a little to harsh on bg3. Love the vids keep it up.
I like how you describe BG3 as a movie vs WOTR as a book. I really enjoyed BG3's production value. Not going to lie. However, as im just starting my pathfinder experience, i appriciate it's flavor as well. Also, ngl, i cracked up the whole time you were talking about the romances and BG3 being woke that shit killed me lol. I get the sense your a true lifetime CRPGer purist who feels like BG3 is more mainstream and Holywood as caters to the more casual fans which is probably accurate but im greatful for it. BG3 opened my eyes to the entire genre which i otherwise wouldn't have gotten into. Now that I'm on a mission to tear through Pathfinder, DOS, POE, etc...i couldn't be more greatful towards BG3 for leading me into the genre. I also wouldn't have found your channel so there's alot to be greatful for imo.
BG3 romances are not woke. There are Guys who don't want to play male characters and don't want to romance male characters. There are women who don't want to play female characters and don't want to romance females. BG3 Just leaves the choice up to the player. If BG3 Forced things and made them unavoidable then maybe you could claim "woke" but BG3 is probably the least Woke game to come out in 7-8 years. Woke games cencor everything. BG3 is just like F it Heres everything go nuts and run around nude if you want. Persoanly I don't want to play a male character and I only tolerate gale in my party because he's a wizard lol. If BG3 forced me to romance Halsin/wyll/gale/astarian just because I make a female character custom charicter. My experience would be heavily downgraded and id just avoid the mechanic entirely.
@@LionheartTM I think he meant that everyone is bisexual and doesn't really have a preferences unlike in wotr or other game, this espceially true on the first release where romance bugged that its far easy for companion to love you, now its easy to turn them down.
Rare opinion but I prefered Kingmaker to WoTR, and played over 2k hours. I like BG3 as much as Kingmaker even though it's very different. What I miss in BG3 is the humongous amount of build options of the Pathfinder games (do use mods for even more classes btw). What I miss in Patzhfinder is the quest design and presentation of BG3. I'm rambling but I just wanted to say: Prepare for WAY more depth in the character build department when you go into Pathfinder
I like both, but never considered comparing them. I have similar complaints about BG3 when it comes to difficulty, Quest Journal and Items. Allthough I have similar complaints, I feel I enjoyed it more. I believe that is partially because my expectations were different, especially if you compare those two games. WOTR is based on Pathfinder and BG3 on DnD 5e, knowing both systems from TTRPG, I knew what to expect.. IMO both can exist next to each other and I am playing both. Choosing is losing
I love both. BG3 do some things better and PWOTW also (to many to explain one by one). My personal ranking 1 place BG3 and WOTR (is underrated - complecisty, size and replay value. In long term WOTR wins because of scale and possibilities - it depends which kind of gamer you are ) 2 place DOS 2 3 place Wasteland 3
Been playing crpgs for almost 30 years, I can say that an Elf having the same CON with a dwarf is bullshit or a dwarf paladin with no charisma disadvantage is also bullshit. Where is the beauty of a fantasy game if you don't have race specific abilities or traits. Also, DnD 5e sucks. The best DnD rule set applied in a game was Neverwinter Nights 2 and it was DnD 3.5 as far as I can remember which is very similar to pathfinder ruleset in Wotr. With that being said, BG3 is a game for starters and other than cinematics and music It's out of top 10 all time crpgs. I don't give a f*ck about metacritic game score.
I suspect BG3 took ages because of the sheer monumental, gargantuan masterpiece of character animations! 😂😂😂 Astarion being a good example😂. That said, yes, Wrath IS the better game. But, BG3 is the more, "animated". Almost a movie-ish. Superb graphics too. More 3d. Still, again, yes Wrath HAS the better gameplay.
Aha-ha-ha this should be engraved in steel: "What you do in the BG3? You defending your ass from companions" 🤣 And your thought about that BG3 brings new players into genre, similar like msfs 2020 did to popularize aviation.
Around 95% of the W0KE content present in PW0TR is due to the fact that its a cRPC adapted from a TABLET0P RPG campaign of the same name, so PW0TR simply reuses the W0KE content from the TABLET0P RPG. The women in positions of power are W0KE content taken from the TABLET0P RPG, like queen GALFREY; the male human R0GUE who drank a potion that turned him into a female which later married a female HALF-0RC is content taken from the TABLET0P RPG; the goddess l0MEDAE & all the lore around her is content taken from the TABLET0P RPG; & so on & on.
How can Iomadae and Galfrey are considered woke contents btw. I mean we have Hera, Athena, Freyja and etc, goddess for centuries. Humanity had outstanding female rulers like, Cleopatra, Elizabeth I,II, Victoria and etc. Really I don't see female in a power position is a woke contents. I do however agree on Irabeth & Anevia though. Despite, I love them, they are a woke content.
@@skss74140 U chose some bad examples to compare, there. None of the goddesses u mentioned were actually an ascended person into godhood like l0MEDAE is in the PATHFlNDER universe, & her case is literal lore in that universe, since it isn't a simple mythology or fable stuff like in our universe.
@@skss74140 GALFREY on the other hand, whether she can be considered a good ruler or not is debatable at best, but that's a rabbit hole that l'm not going to go into. l'II just gonna say that personally, l don't dislike her as a character in the video-game adaptation.
I didn't say Galfrey is good or not. I just said she is not woke content. Because, historically human history already have many prominent women in the power.
@@skss74140 Were those women literally PALADlNS with the physical strength of at least 10 men? Those women could literally use sacred powers that defied all logic effortlessly because they were simply chosen by a goddess? Those women were also zealots who frequently hunted demons?
It was crystal clear after dos 1+2(which i did not like at all) that BG 3 from Larian would not be a +indepth+ and hard CRPG. Its shiny and easy, made for the mainstream..for people who would be overwhelmed with a pathfinder game. I prefere the pathfinder games over BG 3. Is BG 3 a bad game? No. Its just for another kind of people. Enjoy what you like the most. The end ^^
Saying that Larian doesn't make in depth RPGs would be folly, IMO. Rather the depth is achieved in different areas compared to WoTR. In particular BG3 provides never before seen amount of depth when it comes to accommodating out of the box ideas, weird interactions and narrative/questline zig-zags. Combined with the overall tone they chose to maintain for most of the game, it recreates perfectly the depth of laid back tabletop campaign with other human players.
In terms of sexualization (unfortunately this is a thing in gaming now...) maybe BG3 is more woke. However, in terms of power dynamics it is hard to say. In WotR all the important positions of power belong to women. You have Galfrey who is the queen of Mendev. You have Nocticula who is the demon lord of utmost importance. Iomadae who is the goddess of humans and of course her incomptent herald who is a man.... And who are the men in power? One is baphomet (literal goat) the other is Descari ( a freaking locust....) Men in power are either disguisting creatures or incomptent fools... haha Keep in mind that Paizo has removed slavery from their future adventures (because it was offensive). I am not gonna sit here and defend BG3 for their wokeness, but WotR is not much better and what is even worse is that the direction Paizo is taking is even worse. I wonder what is next? Remove violence maybe? Remove murder? In 10 years from now we are only gonna play sims I guess...
No, actually WotR is much better. It clearly has a new-leftist agenda, but their messages are far more subtle and smarter than BG3. - Firstly what is wrong with having women in the most powerful positions? You honestly see this as a hateful message to masculinity? -.-" Also Galfrey is probably the most divisive leader in the game and her competence is highly debated (not just among the fans, but also in the game). Nocticula is an evil demon lord and she is not considered a trusted ally to the player. Regill, Liotr, Captain Odan are all very competent leaders and well... all men... Also Iomedae is basicly a "We have Joan of Arc at home". She is not the leader of the pantheon of gods, she is just an important one. The competence of Galfrey, Irabeth and even Iomedae is called into question at several points in the game, unlike Regill, Liotr, Odan, who are unquestionably competent. Geez I guess Owlcat is really sexist now... - The "wokeness" of the 2 games could be examined by topics both games cover. 1. Racism towards tieflings: In WotR all tieflings are portrayed as criminals and cultists. It is not clear they behave like this bacause of their demon blood, or because how society treats them, but in the end the message is that you should not hate someone because of their race on principal. In BG 3 the tieflings are the most peaceful, family loving, good hearted people and they are hated only because of bigotry and oh yeah the druids want to build a wall to keep the out... 2. In WotR people are treated equally regardless of their sexual orientation. In BG 3 the even the notion of sexual orientation is offensive so let's not mention it. 3. Religion, faith and crusades are portraiyed in such a positive light, that is almost reactionary. In BG 3 religion always has some negative connotation in it. The faith of Seluna is portrayed in a mostly positive light, but other than that religion is all brainwashing and oppression in that game. I think the differences are very clear. - Regarding slavery: yes it is unfortunate (if it's true) but that is on Paizo. In WotR I experianced probably the most disturbing depths of violence, cruelty and madness, beside stuff like Berserk. I guess we are pretty far from sims at this point...
@@csabas.6342 "I guess we are pretty far from sims at this point..." Are we though? Keep in mind that WotR is adventure path that is quite old already... I mean the original one, which the game is based on. The new world agenda is poisoning everything new. The future adventure paths will just suck. Grim dark fantasy adventure paths will be a thing of the past...
@@csabas.6342 Captain Odan - who? Liotr - easily forgettable NPC... Regill is cool, but he is not in a position of power, he is just a soldier. The only thing he commands is his unit and even that is according to military protocol. Same could be said about Liotr and Captain Odan... None of your mentioned examples are positions of power. They are not rulers, nor demon lords, nor gods, nor kings, nor anything like that...
@@zyfryth I don't remember Odan's official tiltle, but effectively he is the leading figure of your war council, basicly a senechal type character. Regardless of how memorable they are, all of them occupy mid or high level leadership positions. Now there is one ruler in the game, who you met and that is Galfrey. She is the canonical ruler of Mendev. There are many gods in the game, but for canonical reasons Iomedae is the most important for the crusades. You can meet 4 demon lords in the game and out of these only Nocticula is a potential ally, but you know she is an evil character (even if she is on the path to redemption). There are hundreds of characters in this game and there are very powerful ones that are males, like the storyteller, who is an insanely powerful elf archmage, Hal, who is a gold dragon. Also there are many evil female characters like Minagho or Camellia. I honestly don't feel like owlcat should insert some power fantasy hetero male rulers or gods into the story, because female leaders might hurt the feelings of some fans...
@@csabas.6342 Honestly, I do not care that much. It is just annoying seeing the same old song all the time. If we get a barbarian companion it has to be a female, cuz everybody knows that makes more sense, aight? You seem to misunderstand what position of power means... A leader of a squad is not in a position of power. He is a servant. I am talking about the big boss on top. On the other hand having the kingpeen all over again might still get boring, but if you played through the entire WotR and you feel like there is no agenda there, I have no idea what to tell you... I guess we just disagree.
Long post. So, I appreciate your opinion first and foremost. I think no one doubts your work ethic coming into these videos and I do feel this is your genuine opinion of preferences and design. However, I disagree with stretches that i found objectively incorrect and wonder if you forgot or didn't pay attention with WOTR outside your experience. I won't argue the opinion pieces, like if serious is better than comedy or if difficulty matters as much as you prefer. Those make sense why you feel that way. For instance, at launch, WOTR was very broken beyond BG3. There were bugs halfway through that prevented many players from completing the game unless they used toybox or had saved hours previous and redid multiple hour long battles because of how the flags worked. There was also horrible issues with timed quests bugging out and marking complete before firing. This was a carryover bug from Kingmaker. There was also the issue with the last act crashing to desktop for players and forcing entire save restarts because it was an error in how the game registered events completed. I'm not sure why you say that it was finished at launch because it was certainly not. They had multiple patches that also added story content if that was your take. There is a progression bug in act 3 before patch 2 in BG3. However that has been the only one reported by many players that I'm aware of. There has not been major reports AFAIK of full game breaks like what WOTR had. Other than that, I am really glad you like WOTR as much as you do. Also, how serious you take what you do is very appreciated.
Its sad that you feel the need to be so negative about baldurs gate 3. Wthout it i woudnt have picked up wotr again. I disagree that bg3 is bad game on all levels minus that the compaions wanting to romance you by default is simply put confusing and not great for the game.
Pathfinder seems like a great game. Ive purchased both. If its got a character creator and an unarmed class, i buy it. I killed the staglord in the first one and almost made it past the tutorial in wrath. Dont think i'll ever go back honestly. Bg3 2nd playthrough. Love it.
I agree on many points and wotr is my favourite, but the woke or not woke is not really relevant to which is better. Both should be played and enjoyed! We are lucky to have both!
love both. but i hated owlcat engine. the unity engine is really bad . even with high end GPU the performance is very bad. while in cyberpunk is 100FPS in utlra wrath of the righteous was barely 40-60FPS and has massive stuttering. not just that the graphics looks dated too and dont get me repeating that every single map is a loading fest. go in this door .. load.. go in this area load. and some areas are quite noticeable that it's a square map. however, i love the pathfinder wrath of the righteous mainly due to the pathfinder 1.0 edition ruleset. there are things i love from dnd5e and there are things i love from pathfinder. i love stacking!. but dnd5e is boring.. concentration.. concentration... concentration. but i have to confess i like the reaction system. i actually like the romance in bg3 that you are not gated to romance any character that you want. in wrath i dont mind if characters has a preference either but that limits my option for romance which i dislike.
Player sexual companions are 0% "woke" and 100% lazy. They made the companions player sexual to give the maximum player options with the minimum effort. It is lazy writing but efficient marketing.
😆 At least in THE BlTCHER 1-2-3, all the women who can have sex with GERALT aren't pansexual; PHlLlPPA ElLHART is actually bisexual, she prefers to have sex with other women more, but GERALT can't have sex with her in THE BlTCHER 2-3. ln BG 3 everyone who can have sex with ur character is pansexual but on a predatory sexual way!
What I like about Werglia videos is that they don't waste time with padding and bullshit at the beginning going into what the games are and how they were received etc. With Werglia it's 'the video is about this and straight into it'. BTW how do you pronounce Werglia, is it Verglia?
I don't have time to listen to other media and read comments, my point of view is uncorrupted and I release vids with clear mind (once i'm 100% done with games ofc). Pronounce it V, yeah.
Having not played any CRPG’s since the early 2000’s I decided to pick up BG3 and one thing I will say is that If most definitely brought back my love for the genre! I 100% it and ran through Honour mode in BG3 and then bought DOS 1 and 2 and put a ton of hours into them until seeing that WotR was on sale for like $11.99. I had never played anything from Owlcat and had seen and heard a lot about it through Mortismal here on UA-cam… I really respect him and it’s his favorite CRPG so I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to play it at such a steal. Since then I have not played anything else and basically abandoned my DOS 2 run over 100 hours in lol. WotR is a beast of a game and I’m loving every single minute of it. It also brought me to your channel which I have now watched a ton of. Thanks for all your hard work and effort for putting out your guides and builds as they have helped me out tremendously especially since I was new to the Pathfinder system. Keep up the excellent work brother.
Baldur's Gate 3 was from the start like a bad slot machine game, but in the full release they also turned that bad slot machine game into a cheap porn animated film.
@@thefrenchspacer It's much worse than in The Witcher games, since the women Geralt could be with were all straight. In BG3 all your companions are like constantly harassing you to have sex with them, regardless of the race/species, gender, religion of your character, which means that all the companions in BG3 are pansexual.
@@thefrenchspacer Now that I remember, there was a wizard girl that Geralt could have sex with in TW2, who was in a relationship with another wizard girl, but that was because she was a spy of Nilfgaard who was spying on the other wizard girl, so, I don't know if a case like that would count as lesbian.
1 of the big draws for bg3 is proly co-op. So its pretty casual and something you can sit down and play together with your friend's once or twice a week or more depending how hard you wanna go at it.
Well, my opinion is i didn't finish BG3 yet, i plan to at some point. Wotr i did 6 playthrough well you could say 8 since i did every mythic path except Legend i wait for the last DLC to make a final playthrough with it. Played that game for well 2 years.
just started playing CRPGs with BG3, it kinda eases you in, i doubt i would have sticked to wotr if i hadnt finished bg3, that beeing said im 120h in wotr and still figuring stuff out and in the beginning of the game... thats about the time i needed to finish bg3 blind as a dnd beginner.. both great games imho.. but the woke stuff is actually annoying XD edit: he acutally said it in the end of the vid...
Thats my second video that I watch from your channel, first one was Rogue Trader, and you make me buy the game. Second is this one, and I really believe all that you speak about pathfinder (only played for 8h long ago dint remember it, need to play it again). But I played Baldurs Gate 3 and previous from larian. And I love Baldurs Gate, really love, one of the best games I played recently. But I understand what is your point and I share same opinions, the sex thing are a bit stupid. Make no sense that you can have a relationship with every one. The "casual" part, maybe that one of the thing that I like it, I'm really dont like to read all the time in crpg. And the fact that is all voiced in baldurs 3 was a win for me. But games are like that, different people like different stuff in different games. You win my subscriber because I like people that speak what they really think and explain it, even if it's different from me.
Wotr let's you play as a lich. An ACTUAL lich. With the right spells and everything. You can ride an undead raptor. You can build your own undead palace. You can revive your enemies and make them party members. You can revive bosses to fight for you. Oh and animate dead actually works like animate dead. Idk why bg3 has that stupid limitation where you need corpses. Anyway bg3 was fun and I liked it a lot. But I'm currently playing wotr and my god the variety of classes and mythic paths etc is just wow. Absolutely amazing.
Yeah, WOTR is unreal and it happens once in 20years. BG3 already happened but 99% of the people never played it, it's called Divinity Original Sin 1.
@@Werglia I seriously hope rogue trader is this good or better. I don't ever have hope for games these days but I do have some for that game. There's so much they can do and it seems they're listening to players based on the feedback they've been giving from the beta
cmon man i played nearly all of the main crps and indie crpgs and wotr is very not fun game to play ,, quality is just low , btw i beat game on unfear so its pro opinion , wotr had problems tons of them , its will be good if you search what problems wotr had make a video and show it to people and developers , to just scream that its good game wont change anything , with poor sales they will always have low buget and quality will be low , so its better to help developers with showing and telling them what is bad and not just blindly praise game and game just dont deserves it , i can talk about problems i have but it will take too much time
As i get closer to finishing my first bg3 playthrough, i am actually anticipating replaying WoTR more and more. As I play bg3 it makes me realise just how good WoTR was.
I bought BG3 on day 1 of its release and played it non-stop till I finished it - the later I was into the game the more I felt that urge too. After the final credits rolled the need was so hard I just re-downloaded WotR right after and jumped into my 3rd playthrough, which took me around 180 hours. Really enjoyed BG3 for the most part, but going back to WotR right after it really scratched that itch for me, can only recommend. In fact I was already theory crafting my builds as I was going through the last hours of BG3 xd
Omg same bg3 is so empty
@@roarbillion2255 ?
@@roarbillion2255 Yup. There are already some mods that increase the amount of enemies on the BG 3 world, due to that fact. l use one that quadruples the number of enemies on the BG 3 world.
@@xd666xdNo amount of mods will fix the shithole of story pacing and dialogue design that is in bg3. You may as well remove all the npcs in act 3 to even make it work thinking about.
As someone who was never into the CRPG genre, I'll say that thanks to BG3, I'm more interested in trying other CRPG's. I don't think the difficulty of BG3 is a downside as I imagine many players like myself might not have ever gotten into this genre otherwise if it wasn't for the accessibility of BG3. I do agree that BG3 is very easy even on tactician, but it complements more of a sandbox-oriented style of play where you can solve any fight in any way you want and validates any class or build which makes for more fun role-play. I've been looking into Pathfinder WOTR because of BG3 has made me interested in the genre, but WOTR is very daunting given the information I have about the game that makes it more intimidating to get into apposed to how beginner-friendly BG3 is. That said, BG3 has easily become my favorite RPG I've ever played and I can't wait to get into Divinity OS2 and eventually WOTR.
You need to get ready for WOTR.
Play Pillars 1 and 2, Tyranny, Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age Origins, Kingmaker, wasteland(s) and once you finish at least 5 games try WOTR.
I only finished Wasteland 3 before Wotr, and I still found it is really hard to play other game once you have enough time with wotr or kingmaker.
It's such a masterpiece. My first run was even the GD mythic path. The path which most players it is unfinished but it still far better than other games' experiences.
I want to play the rogue trader just because owlcat.
Bg3 is like starfieild. I played starfield and finally bought cyberpunk and even tho i burned out that theme of game in gta3 back then i can say cyberpunk is a solid game as of now.
As for bg3, made me realize just how amazing wrath was to where my main compaint was the forced sosiel interactions but hell thats a joke next to bg3 as a whole. Mechanically the game is retarded. Literally.
@@Werglia haha that's a bit rough, I don't have more than maybe 10 hours a week to play games, I'm not gonna be alive to start WOTR before finish your recommended list
Playing bg3 motivated me to finally dive into WotR. Had it on my pc for about a year, but never gave it the time it deserved. I loved bg1 and 2, and there’s a lot about bg3 that I love, but WotR has something special about it that keeps me hooked more than 300 hours in, and Bg3 will never have that for me.
Even just on story and characters, I care a lot more about areelu vorlesh than any of bg3’s antagonists, which are all pretty mid at best.
WOTR's best secret ending is satisfying when working through all the puzzles to get the ending
I agree wotr just has way, way, way more depth
I definetly agree with you on the tone. While there is definetly humour in wotr it is generally cynical and sarcastic and it comments on the world, the events, the story. Now the humour in BG 3 is abudant and usually light comedy, which banalizes the weight of the story. For example removing one of your eye in a botched surgery is played off as a light joke. An incumbi wanting to rape you in Raphaels palace is prestented in a light hearted comical manner. The humour in BG 3 is anesthetic in nature and it prevents you to meaningfully experiance the narrative. You can play wotr in a simmilar manner, but that is an optional mythic path.
In wrath there is a wedding as an acknowledged attempt to find peace. Turns out demons and the problem is bigger than the wedding just to remind you there is no peace or time to fck around.
Meanwhile in bg3 wyll is practicing ballet, halsin wants to be mounted, lazel forgets the gaik inside but wants to mount you, karlach act as if she isnt a walking bomb with a mindflayer, its all so fckng stupid. Im so glad i have uninstalled that shit every second made me hate the west more than i cared to notice.
Awesome review!
I'm playing Wotr currently, and it's really a huge complicated game
This is where I stand on the comparison between these two games: I am devastatingly, heartbroken that it looks like Owlcat is getting out of the Pathfinder creation game. Whereas I could care less whether or not Larian continues working with wizards of the Coast.
I started Wotr after playing through BG3 two times and I'm pretty sure if you threw enough money to make some cutscenes and more voiceovers, maybe make a "casul" character creation mode, it would be as successful as BG3 if not more. I can't believe I did not play this gem for last 2 years.
@@KingQuatto No, he means if politics gave same amount of $ to owlcat like they did with larian, owlcat would create a better game. And they would.
@@Wergliapolitics? What politics? They were smart enough to know how to get money ahead of the release.
@@shitdemon487 i'm against wokeism as much as the next person, maybe even more. I fail to see too much woke BS in bg3. Just that they can romance anyone regardless of sex or other differences? Is that wokeism in your opinion??
"Hey, gay people exist"
"That's joke woke bullshit".
Really????
I'm only partially through so apologies if you mention this.
Recently finished both games doing Dark Urge and Demon playthroughs and gotta admit the level of consequences WotR made me consider and how that would reflected in the prologue instantly made me want to play again and try different paths.
Where as my DU playthrough felt like the world didn't adapt to my choices as much as I'd like. But I do understand it's much easier to write when everything isn't voiced
I unpaused and you mentioned this 😂 100% agree
One thing I absolutely agree with you on is the chaotic good, chaotic evil stuff. BG1&2 you had to be careful not to do the wrong thing because you will make powerful people leave your party. I remember one campaign in bg1 jaheria left me because I was attacked by the flaming fist and I defended myself. I was playing a good character and thought I was doing the right thing. Bg3 I think you have to try to actually make people leave.
pathfinder is much more complex in charetecr progression and customization and im fine with that, bg3 is amazing no doubt but is a much softer and simple game to understand and play problably 90 % people go finish bg3 dont even reach half of the pathfinder game, keep the good work bro
I bought BG3 and after 30h.. went back straight to WoTR. WoTR is an amazing experience. For now over 100h in act 1. Greetings.
BG3 is just too easy, with some kind of difficulty mods BG3 will be better for me. For now i like wotr most. Actually 480h and 300h in bg3 :)
Same thing i did.
Pathfinder is just as easy too. You ever see the broken one man Unfair builds? Such as solo invisibility with cloudkill. Or the 140 AC build? Werglia literally has over 90hours of save scumming every second. That should be a world record for lack of comprehension. I played Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous with LITERALLY the same builds ive been using in Icewind Dale, Baldurs Gate One Two and THREE and still easy mode the silly games. A four man mercenary team ignore the companions easy. Been doing it in all games on hardest difficulty. Even use those characters in board games and cheese campaigns.
When talking about physics, dialogue, character development and story branches, Badurs Gate 3 sets the bar so high Owlcat will be stuck in development hell for a decade if they try to beat that. And possibly go bankrupt and get bought out if they tried.
@@Abp.Mars-Assembly No its not easy i dont care about yt builds. I made my own builds and play, also dont use broken. Combat reflexes/atacks of opportunity. Its all about you, with YT u can make all game very easy, its not for me. I love crpg dont wanna ruin my experienice with YT.
You can literally transfer basic technique from the first crpgs to the Pathfinder games and easy mode the hardest setting. Not everyone is good at crpgs or tabletop, but bottom line is no one gets good without actually doing homework. Werglia is a big example of that@@sechu2
BG3 was my first cRPG and although I enjoyed it I did pick up on a lot of these issues you talk about even without having the past experience I am more than eager to get my hands on Wrath of the Righteous you sold me on it! The biggest turn off for me was the trading 00000 use for the money I finished my BG3 run with over 60k gold like its no use whatsoever another big thing was how many useless scrolls they give you, I basically finished the game without using any scrolls like I think I used only mobility scrolls the rest was pretty much not needed, why waste my whole turn using 1 scroll when I can do more damage just attacking normally xD
Same
y i didn't have to think about battles after act 1 till i installed 5 difficulty mods from nexus XD a Better AI mod, a enemies have more spells, or use them more mod, a ennemies have boons mod, a double hp and flat bonnus to stats mod, and stronger bosses mod :D, after the mod the game became fun to me tho, and i fully played through it, i do realy hate some quest that i would if i could go back in time and tell myself to ignore, or better lock the developper in a cell for a day, on the day he was having these trash ideas.
@@ellynriearchimarre939 is it ghost house quest? Haha. That must be worst in game.
@@djordjesamuilovic5069 on point my man, and to end it all after my 3 hours long battle against furniture!?
I get STUCK in the wokest fcking scenes ever "woman's are powerfull" y well we don't care! Even worse :
I gave my own damn fcking hard earned act 1 money!🤔 cause I play monk and had artisan background!
Hoped to get really great things out of this damn quest : 200gp is a ton act 1...
And I get gale?🐀I see him all the time! Who fcking needs his portrait?!
In case Iose faresight? I'd rather buy glasses with these 200gs!🤣
All that money and no need to scrolls speaks it's combat difficulty. Harder combats would need you to adapt and use all advantage that you can get.
Its odd that Camilla is more respectfully asking for your consent compared to guys in BG3.
Good thing I'm alone at home (no "Are you winning son?" moments) but still feels awkward experiencing those scenes.
Thanks for doing this video! I like both games Ive been playing Crpg's for 35 years I think WOTR is the better game overall, although I remember having to use Toybox to finish it, so does have some game breaking bugs also
WOTR is very polished now btw.
I had to play bg3 with mods to increase the difficulty so I found every mod that converts the systems to 5e entirely then played it on max difficulty with adding 1 ac to all enemies increasing their hp by 40% and reducing camp supplies. With that mod setup which was also very clear and lightweight(just following the 5 e rules) the game was infinitely better. It’s a matter of taste but I like when the stakes are real and challenging it makes the story even better.
BG3 is in many ways a remarkable game, but having completed one playthrough, I presently have no motivation to play through again, even though I fully intended to do a good guy run having done an evil playthrough. I was motivated to do this until getting into chapter 3.
The most obvious failing is the unsatisfying ending, with the upper city basically being almost entirely cut content and a lack of even basic ending slides for the great majority of even the significant side quests. For a game that makes choice and consequence its selling point, having the ending play out in one of handful of ways (none of which are fleshed out or satisfying) with most decisions not even being referenced at all, and for this to be the final experience of your playthrough, really does somewhat spoil the appeal.
It excels in its detailed environments and providing you with different options for resolving its quests. However, whilst most people's intuition is that it should make the game highly replayable, in practice, I don't think it is. Yes, you can try playing through the game as each of the origin characters or to try different options for different quests (like siding with Minthara vs the tieflings for example), but personally, I don't at all feel like it. Yes, there will be something new to see with each such playthrough, but it will remain substantially the same game. If the basic gameplay, that is, the combat and mechanics and character building are subpar, then I am not prepared to do a 100 hour slog to see maybe an hour or two's origin specific content.
Playing different classes or mythic paths in WotR holds a lot of appeal. Without mythic paths, with a much lower level cap and frankly a much shallower ruleset, in addition to the utterly trivial difficulty, replaying BG3 to see different class mechanics really doesn't hold very much appeal.
Also, whilst plenty of choice and consequence does exist, its all too often a choice between the obviously optimal option and one or more clearly bad options. Having sided with Minthara, whilst she is fine as a character, her unique content is very sparse and comes at the cost of 3 other characters and all the tiefling quests and chapters 2 and 3. It just feels like obviously the wrong choice. Or take the options for dealing with the hag in chapter 1. Yes, you can let her permanently debuff you. You can abandon the pregnant woman. You can fight her and not decide to get her permanent buff. There are probably a significant number of possible permutations of decisions for this quest, but ultimately, the correct choice is not have her pluck your eye out, get the permanent buff and pass a speech check to get her to release the woman.
Larian put a lot of effort into the voice acting and cut scenes to accommodate the range of different options it gives you for resolving the goblin/tiefling conflict or dealing with the Hag, but, as with many options in this game, most choices are not compelling. To my mind, its a significant misallocation of resources to put so much effort into fleshing out obviously subpar decisions, particularly when you still fail to even finish the game properly. Its perfectly obvious missing the upper city and the naff ending sequence was not the original vision Larian had and whilst I accept there will always be things you cannot do, to fail to deliver a decent ending in a narrative focussed game when you put so much effort into things the game simply didn't need is obviously getting your priorities wrong.
Also, the game is just really slow paced. Doing anything in this game seems unreasonably time consuming, and its not just the turn based only combat. The way dialogue is interrupted by roll animations, the style of environmental exploration, it just takes forever to get anything done. WotR is actually a very similar length, but when I play it, I just feel like I am getting a lot more done.
To be fair, I enjoy BG3 being more casual in difficulty and tone. Means I can play it with a wider variety of friends.I never got into Pathfinder, due to never having played the tabletop, the ability tooltips being objectively way too bloated (and often incorrect) and choice paralysis being way too big.
Having played a ton of BG3 got me into the cRPG itch that was needed to sit down and finally chew through the awful beginning stages of WotR and finally see it for the gem it is and enjoy it.
Also, small caveat, I vastly prefer turn-based over real time with pause, and I'm glad they went with that in BG3 and gave the option for it in WotR, since that's the proper way to play a D&D game. (=
WotR, like that Arcane show, is great example of how you can have diverse characters in terms of skin color and sexuality, while not writing them like Netflix characters (yes, I know Arcane is a Netflix show lol, but it's probably one of few Netflix shows that are good, so it's an exception).
What's funny is that, when I started WotR, I rolled my eyes when the first companion you see is Seelah, a dark lady Paladin, and Anevia's and Irabeth's relationship was revealed, I thought "Ooo boy, they are going to act like Karens, aren't they?". Because I am so used to minority characters being written like that by woke writers. But as I played the game, I realized that "Huh, these characters are written like actual people, wow". Such a breath of fresh air compared to most movies, shows and games that come out these days.
the knockout advantage of BG3, the one mentioned in the end: BG3 introduced cRPG to a new audience.. as such, everyone in cRPG industry benefits from the success of BG3.. BG3 is a very popular streaming cRPG game on Twitch, for instance.. there are lessons to learn from BG3
I came from BG3 to WoTR and freaking love WoTR. I appreciate what BG3 did but WoTR blows it out of the water to me. Wife says it's too complicated compared to BG3 so she's still sticking with that. Especially when I told her about the attacks on your camps if you are camping in the dungeons
Went back here for a reality check on BG3. It's sad that some group likely brigaded your review of BG3. Fortunately, I listened to it 3+ times, so I kinda remember the game's faults according to your analysis.
Take care, bro!
You're the only person in all YT being real about this game
I like both games, but what bums me the most is that you dont get to be a super badass level 20 demigod in BG3. You spend most of the game being a pawn and tangled in someone else's schemes and plans, and you only fight goons and mid level enemies (lore-wise, though idk how strong the dead gods avatar are supposed to be) at best.
In WoTR you lead a massive army, you slay DEMON LORDS (plural), and you even get to transform into mythical beings while doing it. The badass feeling is superb, especially when paired with the Mythic Power OST.
Heck, even in Divinity Original Sin 2 you get to toy with extremely strong stuffs (granted, most of the higher level skills are unbalanced, but personally I find wrecking enemies with them is fun) that even literal Gods wouldnt take you lightly.
Im not a "good" crpg player by any means, I had to play DOS2, BG3 and Rogue Trader to ease me in first before I got to WoTR, but man the "mediocrity" of power scaling in BG3 feels annoying to me.
cant believe ppl still defending bg in the comments, poor souls
For me, Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous had more impressive companions and the dialogue at the camps was very interesting, I don't think Baldur's Gate3 did as good a job as the above two games in this regard...
There is also insane amount of party banter, i still find new party banther after 1000+hours.
Are we gonna pretend Irabeth wasn't married to a canonical trans person? I remember RPGCodex using that to say how Pillars was better. Oh how times and scapegoats have changed.
I hated hearing this but you're 100% right.
Trust me, if someone wanted for BG3 to be like BG 1 and 2, I did. I wanted to play and create content for this game for years to come, but alas that won't be the case.
It's stupified to the point where it's pointless to create content for it.
You need to get educated a bit. The only reason BG1 and 2 were real time with pause is because of success of Diablo. D&D CRPGs were always supposed to be turn based but BioWare changed their mind about that because real time action got really popular in that time.
Indeed. BG1 was also criticized for all the things BG3 is being criticized for: it was considered a casual game that dumbed down the formula for computer RPGs at the time. BG1/2 are also very easy without mods, but that's a separate discussion.
I still think Kingmaker is the best crpg of past decade, thats my personal opinion, wotr has a lot of more and better content and systems, but kingmaker has a special vibe to it :)
There are 2 major issues I had with WotR: First, fighting Demon hordes the entire time felt less interesting to me than the far larger enemy variety in Kingmaker: Predominantly Fae, Monstrosities, Undead, sure. But, there was still quite a bit more. Second, the Mythic Paths mean a huge power creep; it is not a level 1-20 campaign, like Kingmaker, but rather approximately a level 10-30 one. I preferred the far more grounded nature of Kingmaker where you spent most of the time at the most "interesting" character levels: It also resulted in a better pacing.
I feel the same way, Kingmaker is more grounded and I enjoyed it more. It is actually not a mental challenge having to apply 40 buffs pre battle all the time. Its just dull and repetitive, clearly over the top.
As someone who's really enjoyed both games, I feel like this is just brutally slanted against BG3 for non-gaming reasons. Specifically:
* I won't defend BG3's AI, but the overall difficulty is in line with an actual D&D game; a campaign where even 10% of encounters had a real risk of a party wipe would be a *bonkers* campaign.
* Lumping map variety in with graphics is an obvious excuse to avoid giving BG3 a point for graphics.
* The meme that BG3 shipped in a polished state is obviously wrong, but Wrath was by all accounts a total trainwreck at launch, so patience is fair there.
* Demons are at least 3/4 of the enemies you fight in Wrath, and that is absolutely enough to make classes/spells/items that aren't good against them essentially worthless.
* "Turn-based is for casuals" is a...very unusual opinion.
* Wrath has *far* fewer options in combat that aren't just attacking or casting a spell. Toggling Power Attack is less fun than e.g. knocking a platform out from under the enemy archers.
* Aside from the goofy satyromania epidemic, BG3's characters are more dynamic and nuanced; Wrath has interesting characters, but the writers *really* hammer their traits home.
It's sad when you really think about it. I remember when I first played WOTR I couldn't put the game down at all, I think I dropped over 100 hours on it in two weeks. With Bg3 I've been playing bits and pieces occasionally. I've already started several saves in Bg3 and I'm barely in Act 2 on any of them. At first I thought I was "savouring" the game, but in truth it's just a boring crpg. Once you get past the movielike cinematics and graphical design, the game feels a lot more dull. Fuck, having a god damn mind flayer parasite in your head is practically a "minor nuisance."
Nah, there’s a reason BG3 has become the phenomenon it is. WOTR is highly tactical and technical with tons of crunchy combat. For the average player, that can get exhausting. Even though I like tactical combat and enjoyed the game, I still found it exhausting to play. Never once felt like that with BG3. Larian got the balance right. BG3 is too easy for the CRPG hardcore and too hard for those who are accustomed to mindless button-mashing, but those are the extremities of the bell curve. For everyone else, it’s just about right.
I've hardly heard a word about these pathfinder games but you convinced me that I have to give them a chance. People seem more tough on them than bg3, especially the first one, which seems to have controversial timed quest mechanics
Imagine having a time pressure while playing a game, scary :D
After having a taste of what happens when a CRPG is funded with millions of dollars and having the first AAA game in CRPG (Baldurs gate 3) i cannot go back to other CRPG games.
Same 😂, really waiting for Dos3
Somehow, while playing pathfinder, I didn't feel that I had to finish side quests with companions as soon as possible, despite the fact that there were twice as many of them. didn't feel: "i'm going to finish all these side quests in order to finally do the main quest as soon as possible already. in BG3 side quest characters are a joke. the longer i played bg3, the more i appreciated pathfinder
Puzzles in Wrath of the Righteous are good? Bro that is false. Naino or whatever that fox girl name is has the worst quests and puzzles I have ever seen in a video game. There is a reason why her questline is considered the worst in the game.
great review - you cover all the key issues AND touch on areas that many are scared to go to!
I think ppl cant help but attempt to compare bg3 to the oldies because of how mainstream it is. They attribute global success means best crpg but that isnt the case. Your analysis that bg3 is like a netflix show and Wotr is a book is the best analogy in comparing the 2.
Great opinion piece @Werglia Completely agree with you. Thanks for being the only sane and knowledgeable voice for the CRPG community. I agree with all your points, WOTR is a better CRPG on all levels. But I also agree that if 2 out of 100 players try POE 1 or BG2 it did it's job. I actually had fun in BG3 with all its f'd up crap... its a beautiful game visually and Borislav's soundtrack is simply amazing.
Yeah, best thing that came out of BG3 is Slavov.
I love how brutally honest Werglia is. I've been playing cRPG since the 80's. I am not a big fan of D&D 5e rules. With that being said I am enjoying it but not as much as WOTR. I love the build system in Pathfinder. All different character classes are endless. There so much depth. All line texts and the bugs was really the only issue I had with WOTR.
Tbh it is no suprise BG3 took alot more time to finish, with all mocap and va everything (lots of rewrites along the way). I remember how broken cutscenes were at begining of ea.
For me, the biggest detractor with Baldur's Gate 3 is the turn based over real time with pause. The characters and world building are phenomenal but I find the endless turn based battles super annoying and a massive breaker of immersion. I also think that I prefer the combat mechanics more in PWotR.
I am not very experienced in the cRPG genre, but the general feeling I have is 'shit and giggles' over emotional depth in the story. The feeling of 'being in the basement with my pals rolling the dice and having fun' is prioritized over a genuine story willing to touch sensitive matters and reach some level of depth.
---> About useless loot
I know there are lots of useless items, like forks and plates, but these add to the world. You can see physical objects on a desk and get all of them if you want to. It makes the world feel a bit more alive. It also tells a story... a simple example is when you go to an old place and almost all the food is old too. Its a small touch that makes it feel more alive, just like Skyrim does it too (and Fallout, I think).
You can also examine some of these objects and they can have unique descriptions or rare descriptions, like 2 earrings can be identical, but one belonged to a married woman, and another to a jewelry vendor... you might have found that inside a home, which indicates a married woman lived there before. It is a small touch that adds to the game.
---> About Combat
I played the game on normal, and it was my first RPG, and the game was not easy at all. AI was not as dumb as you claim, although they did some dumb stuff sometimes.
But there were multiple instances where I would place fire on a path, and they retreated and went to another direction.
I had to constantly play smart, and it involved a lot of strategy.
Every single fight is unique and impose a different type of challenge. So at least to me, the game was challenging the whole time I played it.
Although Pathfinder is much harder, it is a very different game. You don't jump around to get far from enemies, you don't push them the abyss, you don't throw them backwards to they can fall on a fire grass, you don't climb to a upper part of the arena to run from melee, you don't interact with the environment to deal damage, you don't sneak behinder walls mid combat to hide in the shadows. Baldurs Gate 3 has a lot of gameplay options that are "mechanical", that relies on you interacting with the world itself. Pathfinder does not have that. I'm on Act 3 and only saw that on that Act 1 or 2 fight where you push 2 pillars on the enemies.
---> About woke
All I'm going to say is that you really seem to be offended by LGBT characters, but I can be wrong and I just read you wrong. Characters are bissexual because they wanted players to date any character they wanted, without the need to start a new game again. The most popular mod for Pathfinder WOTR, Toybox, has an option for that, to make everyone bissexual so you can date anyone. It has NOTHING to do with being woke or not.
Pathfinder starts with a female black paladin, a female ranger and a female shaman. Then Lann and Wenduag enter the party. Anevia is married to a woman. The beginning of the game can be just woman around you, if you don't choose Lann... and one of them is a lesbian. Is all that woke????? Did they chose a black woman paladin because they are woke? One could say that, but I find it to be just stupid.
---> Consequences
BG3 has minor consequences everywhere... conversations end in many different ways, most quests, if not all of them, can end in multiple ways. You also mix combat with dialogue, both are close to each other. You can start a conversation and not have any fight, or start a conversation and make an enemy be your ally, or you sneak past enemies and get the key without being noticed, or you divide your party in 2 and some sneak past enemies to get a key while the other 3 distract enemies... You can throw a bomb in the middle of the enemy base and explode everything, you can make a bard distract people with music, you can enter a base by flying and starting with height advantage, you can give money guards to pass by a gate or you can climb cliffs and pass the gate with jumping mechanics...
Pathfinder WOTR does not have these stuff, it does not give this freedom to players. So every move, and place you go, can be done in multiple ways in BG3. The minor moment to moment gameplay has dozens of choices and outcomes, and that barely exists in Pathfinder. WOTR does have tons of consequences, and you change the entire world in multiple ways, but it does feel mix the fighting with exploration and dialogue like BG3 does. So BG3 has way more ways for the players to express themselves in the world, using the mechanics of the game in multiple creative ways.
---> Ending
I'm at Act 3 of BG3, stopped playing it to check WOTR out of curisity, and I can't stop playing WOTR, so far, I like it more.
Baldur's Gate 3 and the quality of its writing and story is impossible to talk about without addressing the elephant in the room: The Dark Urge. It changes the story drastically, to the point that, as someone put it on the wiki, the game goes from being a D&D comedy to a Dostoevsky tragedy. The Baldur's Gate sequel that everyone wanted is there, buried deep down, but you HAVE to play as The Dark Urge. It makes the game so much more serious.
Yep, during a 2nd playthrough as a dark urge i was surprised how much it changes.
@@broseidon2519 If you play as a murderhobo, then you have no one to blame but yourself for the "bad story."
@@broseidon2519 Fine by me. Just don't be a retard and complain about the story when your only interaction with the world is "kill it."
@@broseidon2519 Quite hostile; when they just figured you were making fun of the story.
Who shit in your cereal?
@@broseidon2519 You realize Dostoevsky loved humor, too, right? The punchline to the Grand Inquisitor is Alyosha kissing his brother on the lips to shut him up.
If it really upsets you that I compared the Dark Urge's redemption arc to Crime and Punishment, I recommend learning from Dostoevsky and developing a sense of humor yourself.
based, glad i found your channel lately
Just now getting into wotr (act4). Great game, but so far i enjoyed bg3 more. Full voice acting would have went a long way to help.
I'll list some things not really touched on in this video. Stealing non existent in wrath (Briefly touched on). The full open world means not constantly loading in bg3. Buffs are a pita to the point of me not wanting to use them in wrath. They go away the second you step into the map and travel very far. The fatigue/exhaustion system is super annoying to have to camp every 5 to 10 seconds of movement on the map. The music is great in both games as you mentioned, but it's not even close. Bg3's music is way better. I'm still hitting bugs in wrath. For example, after playing the game for a couple hours the game will start to lag really bad in battles, especially when you kill an enemy. Restarting the game seems to fix it. I've seen reports of this from 2 years a go and it's still not fixed.
That being said it's still a really fun game. I enjoy your videos and I've been watching little bits here and there of your live steam on unfair.
I like BG3 as much as the Pathfinder games personally. ButI've played like 3k hours in both Pf games and I commend you praising it.
31:00 100% agree, OST was one of the things I surely wasn't disappointed in BG3, Down By the River is a f great theme, period.
I couldn't get into Wrath of the Righteous. I originally got it on release as a player who had been actively playing D&D 5e & used the Pathfinder rules previously so I was familiar with the system. I stopped around the middle of the act crusade thing. After BG3 I tried a new start and tried to give it another chance but it was just not fun. I found leveling to be a full day event. As I got farther into the game to feel like a was doing an hardcore exam.
As someone who's number one game for years was BG2 I finally buckled down and bought BG3 recently. I assumed I would enjoy it, but that it would be a bad and unnecessary sequel, and I was right. It is a good game, and parts of it I'm loving... but it's a piss-poor BG game. In truth, there should never have been a BG3. The entire Bhaalspawn saga ended very clearly with Throne of Bhaal, and you couldn't get anymore epic and conclusive than that trilogy. You either become a god or remain a mortal. And if you do remain a mortal what the hell is the Bhaalspawn gonna do that'll top the stuff they already dealt with? I have a lot of problems with BG 3 already (while playing it) but the biggest issue is just that it's a BG game in the first place. It was a cash grab, and successful one. And now, since Larian just stopped working with Wizards of the Coast, then it all feels even more hollow and pointless. They could have just made Original Sin 3, which is essentially what they didn't with a veneer of Forgotten Realms atop it. WOTR, though very different from the original BG, feels more like the old BG games.
Bought WotR last night. Was trying to wait until I got through Kingmaker, but after playing BG3 and hearing so much about it, I'm going to give it go starting tonight. Also, subscribed to your channel. Every video I've seen from you has been honest and straightforward. Keep up the good work!
Not that this matters but GOTY award nominations: WotR = 0, Baldurs Gate 3 >1 probably. I wouldn’t be surprised is BG3 wins GoTY.
It did
I have just stated BG3 and PF wotr at the same time wotr is deffo hard 2 understand but I keep finding myself playing it over BG3
Wrath by a long shot wins for me but I did enjoy BG3 as well however I cant see myself doing another playthrough. Back to wrath for me. Convinced 2 of my brothers to buy it too and they are loving it so far 😎
Both are fun, though pathfinder is the adult in the room, that doesn't mean hanging with the adult is always the best thing to do. I will say this you can enjoy both, and i do. Its like young adult fantasy novels, and adult novels, both have their places in fantasy, both bring something enjoyable, both are worthy of ones time, but are different taste, bualders gate is the young adult novels.
the thumbnail is amazing 😂
One simple man playing bg3 having so much fun and suddenly Wyll danced in the moonlight...
I have finished my Wotr run 2 times in the past, as a Lich and Devil. After i finished my 2nd run on BG3, i plan on getting back to wotr. I enjoyed wotr story and combat more but i can't lie that BG3 is pretty good because of the cinematic scene and voice acting, my first run was evil dark urge and i had fun playing it. Now though I'm playing as a goody two shoes just to get some cutscenes and story im missing. But overall, i agree with most of what you said. Oh, and one thing though, BG3 follows the shitty DnD novels not the previous game that's why some of the character like Sarevok is a Bhaalist.
Pathfinder gameplay is just so much better cause you really feel how strong you get. You can infinitely cast level 1 spells, wands, can make the enemy kill it self, by pass feat requirements and all that just trickster. You have classes that break the game rules like the ability to dual wield 2 handed weapons. Combined with mythic path you really feel like your on a path on becoming a god.
Say what you will about ‘Netflix’ presentation, but in BG3 is was blown away when Shadowheart actually had autonomy and made a decision for herself based on how I treated her. And that’s good enough for me to call it a great RPG, don’t think I’ve ever played one where that is possible, usually what will happen is you have to have a certain reputation with companions to be allowed to make a decision for them.
The performance is the most ridiculous thing for me in BG3. I noticed my gpu temps were in the high 80s almost 90s, but I somewhat found a workaround by capping the frame limit to 60fps
Oh also p.s. Larian cut the fucking elevation switching camera worst decision
"You are defending your ass from your companions cause they want to f*** you... All of them when you are resting." LOL! This was EPIC! LOL!
i just like pathfinder 1.0 as a system wayyyym more than 5e. BG3 is a better game for a majority of players unless you enjoy that classic crpg with a lot of crunch. I like both the same for different reasons.
I did enjoy playing bg3, but despite all the glitter and sparkles I felt like the pathfinder games were better. bg3 is a watered down crpg that will unfortunately bring droves of casuals to the genre, and praise it's success in spite of it's flaws even though they probably never completed a crpg in their life.
I havent played these titles yet. But I played Divinity OS 2 and Kingmaker. While Kingmaker has a lot of issues it seems way more interesting more down to earth (no chosen one tropes). Has meta progression of building the kingdom. I havent finished both these games yet but Divinity OS both 1 and 2 have poor writing in my opinion they feel like a home brew D&D with bad DM. On the other hand Divinity combat is an interesting puzzle solving excersize. Comparing Kingmaker where you slay hordes of enemies both are equal in that regard. I kind of missed easy combat encounters in Divinity OS mixed in the harder ones.
divinity 2 isn't a crpg,that would be original sin 2,divinity 2 was really good at the time on xbox360 one of the only games you play as a dragon while divine divinity is an old isometric game that doesn't have much to it but it was decent
@@ogaimon3380 hey you are correct. I meant Divinity OS 1 and 2. I never played the older titles.
BG3 doesnt even have bags of holding. Epic fail.
So while I agree I do prefer wotr, I think you were a bit harsh with your criticism of Bg3. I'm the type of casual bg3 was designed for, but I bought wotr during steams 2022 Christmas sale because I really enjoyed early access for bg3 and wanted to try a full crpg and I'm so glad I did because after 400 hours in wotr before bg3 was a cake walk for me in terms of difficulty. I think bg3 being based of 5e probably had something to do with the difficulty or lack there of. I might be wrong I am a casual, but on the whole I agree with your opinion just think a little to harsh on bg3. Love the vids keep it up.
I like how you describe BG3 as a movie vs WOTR as a book. I really enjoyed BG3's production value. Not going to lie. However, as im just starting my pathfinder experience, i appriciate it's flavor as well. Also, ngl, i cracked up the whole time you were talking about the romances and BG3 being woke that shit killed me lol.
I get the sense your a true lifetime CRPGer purist who feels like BG3 is more mainstream and Holywood as caters to the more casual fans which is probably accurate but im greatful for it. BG3 opened my eyes to the entire genre which i otherwise wouldn't have gotten into. Now that I'm on a mission to tear through Pathfinder, DOS, POE, etc...i couldn't be more greatful towards BG3 for leading me into the genre. I also wouldn't have found your channel so there's alot to be greatful for imo.
BG3 romances are not woke. There are Guys who don't want to play male characters and don't want to romance male characters. There are women who don't want to play female characters and don't want to romance females. BG3 Just leaves the choice up to the player. If BG3 Forced things and made them unavoidable then maybe you could claim "woke" but BG3 is probably the least Woke game to come out in 7-8 years. Woke games cencor everything. BG3 is just like F it Heres everything go nuts and run around nude if you want. Persoanly I don't want to play a male character and I only tolerate gale in my party because he's a wizard lol. If BG3 forced me to romance Halsin/wyll/gale/astarian just because I make a female character custom charicter. My experience would be heavily downgraded and id just avoid the mechanic entirely.
@@LionheartTM I think he meant that everyone is bisexual and doesn't really have a preferences unlike in wotr or other game, this espceially true on the first release where romance bugged that its far easy for companion to love you, now its easy to turn them down.
Rare opinion but I prefered Kingmaker to WoTR, and played over 2k hours. I like BG3 as much as Kingmaker even though it's very different. What I miss in BG3 is the humongous amount of build options of the Pathfinder games (do use mods for even more classes btw). What I miss in Patzhfinder is the quest design and presentation of BG3.
I'm rambling but I just wanted to say: Prepare for WAY more depth in the character build department when you go into Pathfinder
dont forget BG1/2, those two are the GOATS
I like both, but never considered comparing them. I have similar complaints about BG3 when it comes to difficulty, Quest Journal and Items. Allthough I have similar complaints, I feel I enjoyed it more. I believe that is partially because my expectations were different, especially if you compare those two games. WOTR is based on Pathfinder and BG3 on DnD 5e, knowing both systems from TTRPG, I knew what to expect.. IMO both can exist next to each other and I am playing both. Choosing is losing
Imagine Larian makes every man on man romance option give a permanent debuff that just says "AIDS"
I felt I was more excited for replay of WotR. I could try the other mythic paths, the character creation was much deeper.
I love both. BG3 do some things better and PWOTW also (to many to explain one by one). My personal ranking 1 place BG3 and WOTR (is underrated - complecisty, size and replay value. In long term WOTR wins because of scale and possibilities - it depends which kind of gamer you are ) 2 place DOS 2 3 place Wasteland 3
Been playing crpgs for almost 30 years, I can say that an Elf having the same CON with a dwarf is bullshit or a dwarf paladin with no charisma disadvantage is also bullshit. Where is the beauty of a fantasy game if you don't have race specific abilities or traits. Also, DnD 5e sucks. The best DnD rule set applied in a game was Neverwinter Nights 2 and it was DnD 3.5 as far as I can remember which is very similar to pathfinder ruleset in Wotr. With that being said, BG3 is a game for starters and other than cinematics and music It's out of top 10 all time crpgs. I don't give a f*ck about metacritic game score.
I suspect BG3 took ages because of the sheer monumental, gargantuan masterpiece of character animations! 😂😂😂 Astarion being a good example😂.
That said, yes, Wrath IS the better game. But, BG3 is the more, "animated". Almost a movie-ish. Superb graphics too. More 3d.
Still, again, yes Wrath HAS the better gameplay.
Aha-ha-ha this should be engraved in steel:
"What you do in the BG3? You defending your ass from companions" 🤣
And your thought about that BG3 brings new players into genre, similar like msfs 2020 did to popularize aviation.
Around 95% of the W0KE content present in PW0TR is due to the fact that its a cRPC adapted from a TABLET0P RPG campaign of the same name, so PW0TR simply reuses the W0KE content from the TABLET0P RPG.
The women in positions of power are W0KE content taken from the TABLET0P RPG, like queen GALFREY; the male human R0GUE who drank a potion that turned him into a female which later married a female HALF-0RC is content taken from the TABLET0P RPG; the goddess l0MEDAE & all the lore around her is content taken from the TABLET0P RPG; & so on & on.
How can Iomadae and Galfrey are considered woke contents btw.
I mean we have Hera, Athena, Freyja and etc, goddess for centuries. Humanity had outstanding female rulers like, Cleopatra, Elizabeth I,II, Victoria and etc. Really I don't see female in a power position is a woke contents. I do however agree on Irabeth & Anevia though. Despite, I love them, they are a woke content.
@@skss74140 U chose some bad examples to compare, there. None of the goddesses u mentioned were actually an ascended person into godhood like l0MEDAE is in the PATHFlNDER universe, & her case is literal lore in that universe, since it isn't a simple mythology or fable stuff like in our universe.
@@skss74140 GALFREY on the other hand, whether she can be considered a good ruler or not is debatable at best, but that's a rabbit hole that l'm not going to go into. l'II just gonna say that personally, l don't dislike her as a character in the video-game adaptation.
I didn't say Galfrey is good or not.
I just said she is not woke content. Because, historically human history already have many prominent women in the power.
@@skss74140 Were those women literally PALADlNS with the physical strength of at least 10 men? Those women could literally use sacred powers that defied all logic effortlessly because they were simply chosen by a goddess? Those women were also zealots who frequently hunted demons?
It was crystal clear after dos 1+2(which i did not like at all) that BG 3 from Larian would not be a +indepth+ and hard CRPG. Its shiny and easy, made for the mainstream..for people who would be overwhelmed with a pathfinder game.
I prefere the pathfinder games over BG 3.
Is BG 3 a bad game? No. Its just for another kind of people.
Enjoy what you like the most. The end ^^
Saying that Larian doesn't make in depth RPGs would be folly, IMO. Rather the depth is achieved in different areas compared to WoTR.
In particular BG3 provides never before seen amount of depth when it comes to accommodating out of the box ideas, weird interactions and narrative/questline zig-zags. Combined with the overall tone they chose to maintain for most of the game, it recreates perfectly the depth of laid back tabletop campaign with other human players.
In terms of sexualization (unfortunately this is a thing in gaming now...) maybe BG3 is more woke. However, in terms of power dynamics it is hard to say. In WotR all the important positions of power belong to women. You have Galfrey who is the queen of Mendev. You have Nocticula who is the demon lord of utmost importance. Iomadae who is the goddess of humans and of course her incomptent herald who is a man.... And who are the men in power? One is baphomet (literal goat) the other is Descari ( a freaking locust....) Men in power are either disguisting creatures or incomptent fools... haha Keep in mind that Paizo has removed slavery from their future adventures (because it was offensive). I am not gonna sit here and defend BG3 for their wokeness, but WotR is not much better and what is even worse is that the direction Paizo is taking is even worse. I wonder what is next? Remove violence maybe? Remove murder? In 10 years from now we are only gonna play sims I guess...
No, actually WotR is much better. It clearly has a new-leftist agenda, but their messages are far more subtle and smarter than BG3.
- Firstly what is wrong with having women in the most powerful positions? You honestly see this as a hateful message to masculinity? -.-" Also Galfrey is probably the most divisive leader in the game and her competence is highly debated (not just among the fans, but also in the game). Nocticula is an evil demon lord and she is not considered a trusted ally to the player. Regill, Liotr, Captain Odan are all very competent leaders and well... all men... Also Iomedae is basicly a "We have Joan of Arc at home". She is not the leader of the pantheon of gods, she is just an important one. The competence of Galfrey, Irabeth and even Iomedae is called into question at several points in the game, unlike Regill, Liotr, Odan, who are unquestionably competent. Geez I guess Owlcat is really sexist now...
- The "wokeness" of the 2 games could be examined by topics both games cover. 1. Racism towards tieflings: In WotR all tieflings are portrayed as criminals and cultists. It is not clear they behave like this bacause of their demon blood, or because how society treats them, but in the end the message is that you should not hate someone because of their race on principal. In BG 3 the tieflings are the most peaceful, family loving, good hearted people and they are hated only because of bigotry and oh yeah the druids want to build a wall to keep the out... 2. In WotR people are treated equally regardless of their sexual orientation. In BG 3 the even the notion of sexual orientation is offensive so let's not mention it. 3. Religion, faith and crusades are portraiyed in such a positive light, that is almost reactionary. In BG 3 religion always has some negative connotation in it. The faith of Seluna is portrayed in a mostly positive light, but other than that religion is all brainwashing and oppression in that game. I think the differences are very clear.
- Regarding slavery: yes it is unfortunate (if it's true) but that is on Paizo. In WotR I experianced probably the most disturbing depths of violence, cruelty and madness, beside stuff like Berserk. I guess we are pretty far from sims at this point...
@@csabas.6342 "I guess we are pretty far from sims at this point..." Are we though? Keep in mind that WotR is adventure path that is quite old already... I mean the original one, which the game is based on. The new world agenda is poisoning everything new. The future adventure paths will just suck. Grim dark fantasy adventure paths will be a thing of the past...
@@csabas.6342 Captain Odan - who? Liotr - easily forgettable NPC... Regill is cool, but he is not in a position of power, he is just a soldier. The only thing he commands is his unit and even that is according to military protocol. Same could be said about Liotr and Captain Odan... None of your mentioned examples are positions of power. They are not rulers, nor demon lords, nor gods, nor kings, nor anything like that...
@@zyfryth I don't remember Odan's official tiltle, but effectively he is the leading figure of your war council, basicly a senechal type character. Regardless of how memorable they are, all of them occupy mid or high level leadership positions. Now there is one ruler in the game, who you met and that is Galfrey. She is the canonical ruler of Mendev. There are many gods in the game, but for canonical reasons Iomedae is the most important for the crusades. You can meet 4 demon lords in the game and out of these only Nocticula is a potential ally, but you know she is an evil character (even if she is on the path to redemption).
There are hundreds of characters in this game and there are very powerful ones that are males, like the storyteller, who is an insanely powerful elf archmage, Hal, who is a gold dragon. Also there are many evil female characters like Minagho or Camellia.
I honestly don't feel like owlcat should insert some power fantasy hetero male rulers or gods into the story, because female leaders might hurt the feelings of some fans...
@@csabas.6342 Honestly, I do not care that much. It is just annoying seeing the same old song all the time. If we get a barbarian companion it has to be a female, cuz everybody knows that makes more sense, aight? You seem to misunderstand what position of power means... A leader of a squad is not in a position of power. He is a servant. I am talking about the big boss on top. On the other hand having the kingpeen all over again might still get boring, but if you played through the entire WotR and you feel like there is no agenda there, I have no idea what to tell you... I guess we just disagree.
Long post. So, I appreciate your opinion first and foremost. I think no one doubts your work ethic coming into these videos and I do feel this is your genuine opinion of preferences and design. However, I disagree with stretches that i found objectively incorrect and wonder if you forgot or didn't pay attention with WOTR outside your experience. I won't argue the opinion pieces, like if serious is better than comedy or if difficulty matters as much as you prefer. Those make sense why you feel that way.
For instance, at launch, WOTR was very broken beyond BG3. There were bugs halfway through that prevented many players from completing the game unless they used toybox or had saved hours previous and redid multiple hour long battles because of how the flags worked. There was also horrible issues with timed quests bugging out and marking complete before firing. This was a carryover bug from Kingmaker. There was also the issue with the last act crashing to desktop for players and forcing entire save restarts because it was an error in how the game registered events completed. I'm not sure why you say that it was finished at launch because it was certainly not. They had multiple patches that also added story content if that was your take.
There is a progression bug in act 3 before patch 2 in BG3. However that has been the only one reported by many players that I'm aware of. There has not been major reports AFAIK of full game breaks like what WOTR had.
Other than that, I am really glad you like WOTR as much as you do. Also, how serious you take what you do is very appreciated.
Its sad that you feel the need to be so negative about baldurs gate 3. Wthout it i woudnt have picked up wotr again. I disagree that bg3 is bad game on all levels minus that the compaions wanting to romance you by default is simply put confusing and not great for the game.
love.your channel and your irish accent
Pathfinder seems like a great game. Ive purchased both. If its got a character creator and an unarmed class, i buy it. I killed the staglord in the first one and almost made it past the tutorial in wrath. Dont think i'll ever go back honestly. Bg3 2nd playthrough. Love it.
I agree on many points and wotr is my favourite, but the woke or not woke is not really relevant to which is better.
Both should be played and enjoyed! We are lucky to have both!
love both. but i hated owlcat engine. the unity engine is really bad . even with high end GPU the performance is very bad. while in cyberpunk is 100FPS in utlra wrath of the righteous was barely 40-60FPS and has massive stuttering. not just that the graphics looks dated too and dont get me repeating that every single map is a loading fest. go in this door .. load.. go in this area load. and some areas are quite noticeable that it's a square map. however, i love the pathfinder wrath of the righteous mainly due to the pathfinder 1.0 edition ruleset. there are things i love from dnd5e and there are things i love from pathfinder. i love stacking!. but dnd5e is boring.. concentration.. concentration... concentration. but i have to confess i like the reaction system. i actually like the romance in bg3 that you are not gated to romance any character that you want. in wrath i dont mind if characters has a preference either but that limits my option for romance which i dislike.
Player sexual companions are 0% "woke" and 100% lazy. They made the companions player sexual to give the maximum player options with the minimum effort. It is lazy writing but efficient marketing.
i'd remake this video once definitive edition comes for bg3 and the last dlc for wotr launches
what would be the point? wotr is lightyears ahead of bg3 and is there is not catching up to that.
😆 At least in THE BlTCHER 1-2-3, all the women who can have sex with GERALT aren't pansexual; PHlLlPPA ElLHART is actually bisexual, she prefers to have sex with other women more, but GERALT can't have sex with her in THE BlTCHER 2-3. ln BG 3 everyone who can have sex with ur character is pansexual but on a predatory sexual way!
BG3 is great, WOTR is greater
What I like about Werglia videos is that they don't waste time with padding and bullshit at the beginning going into what the games are and how they were received etc. With Werglia it's 'the video is about this and straight into it'.
BTW how do you pronounce Werglia, is it Verglia?
I don't have time to listen to other media and read comments, my point of view is uncorrupted and I release vids with clear mind (once i'm 100% done with games ofc).
Pronounce it V, yeah.
Having not played any CRPG’s since the early 2000’s I decided to pick up BG3 and one thing I will say is that If most definitely brought back my love for the genre! I 100% it and ran through Honour mode in BG3 and then bought DOS 1 and 2 and put a ton of hours into them until seeing that WotR was on sale for like $11.99. I had never played anything from Owlcat and had seen and heard a lot about it through Mortismal here on UA-cam… I really respect him and it’s his favorite CRPG so I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to play it at such a steal. Since then I have not played anything else and basically abandoned my DOS 2 run over 100 hours in lol. WotR is a beast of a game and I’m loving every single minute of it. It also brought me to your channel which I have now watched a ton of. Thanks for all your hard work and effort for putting out your guides and builds as they have helped me out tremendously especially since I was new to the Pathfinder system. Keep up the excellent work brother.
21:43 I don't know the numbers, but I'm pretty sure Kigmaker has an even bigger enemy variety
Would need to count for that info. Got full runs so it's easy to do.
Baldur's Gate 3 was from the start like a bad slot machine game, but in the full release they also turned that bad slot machine game into a cheap porn animated film.
@@KingQuatto Hundreds of reviews for an easy paycheck for them. The usual thing along the internet.
@@KingQuatto They did not do the same with Pathfinder... because there was no paychecks for them by doing so.
well I didn't see any "porn" in it, its very very soft not even erotic like some witcher scene. I miss the witcher 1 "collective" minigame btw
@@thefrenchspacer It's much worse than in The Witcher games, since the women Geralt could be with were all straight. In BG3 all your companions are like constantly harassing you to have sex with them, regardless of the race/species, gender, religion of your character, which means that all the companions in BG3 are pansexual.
@@thefrenchspacer Now that I remember, there was a wizard girl that Geralt could have sex with in TW2, who was in a relationship with another wizard girl, but that was because she was a spy of Nilfgaard who was spying on the other wizard girl, so, I don't know if a case like that would count as lesbian.
1 of the big draws for bg3 is proly co-op. So its pretty casual and something you can sit down and play together with your friend's once or twice a week or more depending how hard you wanna go at it.
The combat/battle system as well and the options it gives you
I think BG3 is more beginner or newcomer friendly.
Wrath of the righteous can be too much for newcomers.
Well, my opinion is i didn't finish BG3 yet, i plan to at some point. Wotr i did 6 playthrough well you could say 8 since i did every mythic path except Legend i wait for the last DLC to make a final playthrough with it. Played that game for well 2 years.
just started playing CRPGs with BG3, it kinda eases you in, i doubt i would have sticked to wotr if i hadnt finished bg3, that beeing said im 120h in wotr and still figuring stuff out and in the beginning of the game... thats about the time i needed to finish bg3 blind as a dnd beginner.. both great games imho.. but the woke stuff is actually annoying XD
edit: he acutally said it in the end of the vid...
Thats my second video that I watch from your channel, first one was Rogue Trader, and you make me buy the game. Second is this one, and I really believe all that you speak about pathfinder (only played for 8h long ago dint remember it, need to play it again). But I played Baldurs Gate 3 and previous from larian. And I love Baldurs Gate, really love, one of the best games I played recently. But I understand what is your point and I share same opinions, the sex thing are a bit stupid. Make no sense that you can have a relationship with every one. The "casual" part, maybe that one of the thing that I like it, I'm really dont like to read all the time in crpg. And the fact that is all voiced in baldurs 3 was a win for me. But games are like that, different people like different stuff in different games. You win my subscriber because I like people that speak what they really think and explain it, even if it's different from me.
Im a new player to crpg and i watched your bg3 guildes alot but wow i got surprised by this