WH40K: Rogue Trader Vs. Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - RT VS WOTR - Real Talk
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- In this video I'll compare 2 cRPG's, Warhammer 40000 Rogue Trader / WH40KRT vs Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous / PWOTR from Owlcat. Direct comparison of 2 gigantic games.
Is WOTR the best cRPG ever?
Is RT game of the year in 2023?
Is Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous the best cRPG ever?
Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader Vs. Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - RT VS WOTR - Real Talk - Direct Comparison - Review, opinion and rant on both games
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00:00 RT vs WOTR
00:53 Story
02:35 Bugs and Optimization
03:45 Game Time
04:15 Game Difficulty
05:07 Maps and Graphics
06:19 Gameplay
07:03 Leveling and Itemisation
08:21 Npc's and Enemies
09:53 Music and Sound
10:38 Final Verdict and THE WINNER
12:40 Members and Patrons - Ігри
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I love WOTR and even though I bought Rogue Trader I did it basically to support Owlcat. You are probably right about WOTR's uniqueness BUT I hope they continue to work on Pathfinder games in the future.
Hard to argue that RT is a better game than WOTR right now. So I won't. That said, if I have to pick one I am going with RT. One of the reasons why? The setting. For every 75 high fantasy CRPGs we might get 1 sci-fi CRPG. And getting one as good as RT? I honestly can't recall the last great sci-fi CRPG.
I might buy Roque Trader IF it ever cost under 30 dolars. I care the most about story and setting and I hate both in Sci-fi games except "Knights of the old Republic." Don't care about the RT universe. If you enjoy it great have fun, for me I won't spend a lot of money on something I don't care that much about.
@@stevenwoodward5923 Thanks for jogging my memory. KOTOR was a great CRPG. So was the Mass Effect franchise which is probably the last great sci-fi CRPG before RT. RT is worth $50, easily. I paid $100 for it and consider it money well spent. I feel bad for anyone that is going to let $20 come between them and CRPG greatness. Time for a new hobby.
@@MidnightHozz Played Mass Effect for 30 minutes and never touched it again, hated it. RT Might be a grateness to you, good for you. Bargain Basement buy for me..
I hate that crpgs can never be a finished product on day one
Well even Larain with their massive budget came out with BG3 in a buggy state.
yeah, i just end up holding off into a year or so in because of it. i buy on release for support because owlcat has my trust for now, but know its going to be smoother if i wait a few patch cycles and maybe an expansion. it's hard to wait though because rogue trader looks cool!
@@notmyname12 Very smart move, despite me loving the shit outta it, RT isn't in a condition where you can even 100% the game without using Toybox to work around certain bugs rn like with some of the optional companion quests currently being completely broken.
@@HeadyShitHead always best to wait as long as you can stomach. Cuz the first playthrough is the best one
Hey man great video as always! Just a question, what was the soundtrack you were using in the story section cause I love it!
Rogue Trader - Footfall
@@Wergliacheers man! Have a blessed Sunday!
great video as usual :)
I am over 300 hours into RT and still cannot stop. Sure, it has bugs, sure, the fights are unbalanced at the moment, but so what, all this will be fixed. It truly is the best game since WOTR, never had such a blast. I would, however, not compare WOTR to RT because they feel like 2 totally different games to me. Both are my best loved games, I would not want to decide which one I love more.
Rogue trader is decent for a playthrough, and I may well revisit with DLC, but I am really struggling for motivation to replay it just at the moment.
My biggest complaints with RT compared with WoTR:
- The combat is broken. From early to midgame onwards, you can reliably kill enemies before they even have the possibility of acting. This included every single fight in chapters 4 and 5 on daring difficulty, and honestly, I don't think unfair would have done much more than delay this moderately. This can be fixed, and they really need to do this ASAP. WoTR combat isn't perfect (both you and the enemy are far too deadly meaning combat is always resolved very quickly, limiting tactical options significantly), but at least the enemy can actually do something.
- Neither game is great for immersive environments, with the scope of in game environments being small and somewhat contrived. Neither have large and plausible non dungeon areas like Neketaka in Pillars 2 or Athkatla/Baldur's Gate of the BG series and honestly, this is something that Owlcat really needs to work on improving as for my money, this is how they can most elevate the quality of their games.
But RT fails to meet the fairly low bar set by WoTR and does so by some margin. Whilst WoTR is basically split up into dungeon and hub areas, the dungeon environments are at least good. Alushinyrra at least attempted to create a decent sized environment occupied by characters with their own concerns, not just monsters waiting to be killed or vendors waiting to buy/sell. Even amongst the dungeon areas with enemies just waiting to be killed, there were several great examples with large scope and believable and immersive environments. RTs environments are all very small and gamey, without a single instance of an environment designed primarily for immersion first and gameplay functionality second. There is no quick fix here or honestly, fix at all. Its just something I hope they do with future games.
- Build variety is much more limited. I did like having the steady pace of level ups compared to the highly uneven mythic progression of in particular, but whilst character building is far from braindead, the variety of builds is far more limited. The variety of spellcasting is also much smaller, though non spellcasters do get significantly more options in combat compared to the average warrior on Pathfinder.
Your first complaint is pretty much the same for Wotr except early game - mid game to late game you kill everything before it acts in both games. Has always been a issue with Owlcat.
Compared to WoTr the areas are far better. Act 3 Onwards Wotr is even worse than Pathfinder Kingmaker. Which is crazy. Wotr in general is much worse in every aspect except combat and build variety than Pathfinder which really makes me think. They went for Quantity instead of quality.
RT at least they tried 4 acts before giving up in the last acts. Wotr after Act2 was just meh.
Variety of builds well as with all the Owl at games it depends on the difficulty.
Everything on Core and Onwards whittles down to These 5-7 builds that will crush it.
But I have to say RT is far more beginner friendly. If the overhaul the HUD for the leveling up the will have a mass of players coming that usually don't touch it because they did not understand the system from all the bloat
@@Brainman234You kill everything quickly, sure, often fast enough that it doesnt do much, but not literally before there is any possibility of the enemy taking an action.
How do you not count Alushinyrra as a large non-dungeon area?
@@DJ-yo9oi I did:
"Alushinyrra at least attempted to create a decent sized environment occupied by characters with their own concerns, not just monsters waiting to be killed or vendors waiting to buy/sell."
However, I would say it falls short of Neketaka and Athkatla by a significant margin. Firstly, its one chapter, not hub throughout the entire game. Secondly, its a fair bit smaller. Thirdly, it is much more combat heavy and is a good deal more hack and slash than the other two I mentioned.
@@notalefty999 You did not.... Decent-sized and large are not the same? And I think you are vastly overselling Neketaka. Some places, like the Sacred Stair, were quite small. And outside of a few street fights (like 4 IIRC), Alyshinyrra is really not hack and slash (unless your goal is to murder everything in sight, which the Hand explicitly suggests you do NOT do).
Hub in WOTR is Drezen, which makes sense. It is a Crusade. I don't see how that hurts immersion.
Oh I love both games :D
Bro, love your videos, but cmon the sound mixing makes it really hard to hear you!
Yeah, that's what happens when you do it all alone, sometimes you make a mistake during editing.
Good video, but music is too loud, realy, it is irritates if too be honest.
About theme: it is good too see comparison with rogue trader, because i am about to finish the game ans thinking what is else 😅
I've been contemplating picking up Wrath of the Righteous but I've heard its waaayyy harder than Rogue Trader so I'm a lil hesitant but if I do end up picking it up could I go straight into Wrath of the Righteous or do i need to play Kingmaker first to understand the plot/story and lore/world?
Better to start with Kingmaker and it's amazing game as well now!
@@Werglia Awesome! Thank you for the reply - Looking forward to the rest of your RT guide once they patch the rest of the game! 👍
It's highly adaptable, depend on what difficulty you're in. You're more likely need to worry about the mountains of Pathfinder ruleset that take tons of time to learn lol.
Can you maybe do a new playthrough of the WOTR. Never played it and would love to get into it with some help :)
It will happen this year for sure!
@@Werglia What build you thinking?
Yeah, my pick was set before watching the video, you pretty much summed it up. Wotr > Rogue trader all day.
But to be fair, wotr came after kingmaker, and they improved a lot on it. I would have a much harder time picking between kingmaker and rogue trader.
So, here's hoping for a sequel to RT.
Thanks for the vid.
Werglia, what's the Outro Song in the Members and Patrons section?
I think that with time RT will end up being a great game, compared to WoTR they didn't have to redo the entire system as in, the stats that the characters have since in TT Pathfinder is far clearer and complex. I remember seeing the rumours and that post where people share the things that RT had to cut before release and yeah, I know understand why some chapters were shorter than others.
WOTR je stvarno van svih kategorija.
Super kanal za nas stare gamere.
Ovo 'stare' zvuci poprilicno brutalno :D
@@Werglia i mlade ajde hehe.
Svidjelo mi se kako si razotkrio BG3 i njegov pederluk. To samo mogu pravi "stari" gameri.
Super kanal, samo rokaj!
I have to turn the music down but then I can't hear you. Please lower the music volume in future videos. Love your work, thanks!
On a personal note I have to go with Rogue Trader as my favourite CRPG. As much as I get that WotR is superior in practically every way game wise its the Warhammer 40K setting that wins me over. For me the D&D setting has been done to death and there's just so many to pick from. The setting and lore in RT is fantastic and no other W40K game comes close to portraying it this well in my opinion. I hope it has a long and prosperous future with many DLC's.
I beat both of these games. For me wotr is 10/10 best crpg since bg2, on the other hand rogue trader is solid 8/10.
music is too loud man cant hear anything what you're saying!
worth!!!
and I prefer syfpi and guns over axes . but I think wasteland did a much better job of gun play.. ships way better than town builder or army commander .... but I think only the side game is better and I bet most people would rather Owlcat just lose the whole side game trope and just focus more on the main game, but shit their side game is better than blahhhhhhhh. Owlcat is amassing!!!
LOUD MUSIC, man!
Wotr always because of fantasy world, this is game which i will play for years, Rogue Trader probably one time.
I feel the same way, if Rogue Trader is ever on sale for under 30 dollars, (probably never happen) I might buy it.
Theres only one game that may succeed to take the throne from wotr and thats the 3rd pathfinder game when it comes.
I might buy Roque Trader IF it ever cost under 30 dolars. I care the most about story and setting and I hate both in Sci-fi games except "Knights of the old Republic." Don't care about the RT universe. If you enjoy it great have fun, for me I won't spend a lot of money on something I don't care that much about. I'll stick to BG3
Yeah if you don't like Warhammer 40k your gonna have a hard time trying to enjoy the story - It was definitely made by 40k fans for 40k fans lol
In my opinion both WOTR and Kingmaker are on other level compared to RT. Honestly, I found RT pretty underwhelming in all aspects and have it MUCH lower rated than most people.
I thought it was way too easy on unfair especially compared to WOTR
Baldurs Gate WINS. Rogue Trader is great about the LORE. The problem - very hard new player income. So much stuff to blow the brain. The most stupid thing in Path and Rogue - Loading and loading ... all those small location loading are insanly stupid in 2024. Path made me crazy angry with all those stupid "some goblin attack you" with loadings every 1cm on global map.
P.S - Thanks alot for your Rogue Builds. Made it much faster to understands basics.
I've played all three of these games, BG3 was by far the best experience, It was so good that as soon as i finished it i started a second playthrough straight away. WoTR was great, i enjoyed it a lot, not enough to play through it a second time, Rogue Trader i didnt even bother finishing, lost interest a short way in to act 4, combat on unfair feels like you are cheesing when you win. and if you arent playing in a way that feels cheap you just lose, the combat plays out the same way every time "go first every time and give one character 5 turns" it also felt unfinished and rushed, act 2 was good, act 3 was horrible for a lot of reasons including the way the story railroads you there, and the horrible, horrible placement of 500000 traps on every map towards to end.
Constantly crying about the "dating" in BG3 is so disingenuous, it's like 0.1% of the game, could it have been done better? sure, did it affect my enjoyment of the game at all? not even a single bit.
Werglia conveniently never mentions all the bad stuff in RT but addresses BG3 as a dating simulator. fanboyism at its finest.
@@Jack_Sparrow_85 BG3 is just too far ahead... Its like insane lvl vs art book of Warhammer. I bought rogue just as a 40k fan. Its good enough but insanely stupid in many moments.
I think one of the Reasons is Bg3 having a better budget. I would love for WOTR to have a BG3 engine and cutscenes with WOTR's combat. I would agree with him here that Bg3 is a glorified Dating Sim. That's why Alan Wake 2 won Best Narrative.
@@SAFBLight If being a glorified dating sim is all you focus on, your choice. I focus on the overall experience and if I would replay.the game. As in real life I'm not fixated or care about who someone is sleeping with.
@@stevenwoodward5923 I avoid romance in all my BG3 playthroughs. In no way I am saying that Bg3 was bad, I'm saying that if Wrath has a bg3 engine/budget it would be equally as good if not better.
Owlcat should have hired you to playtest Rogue Trader. With a bit of streamlining it could have been 10x better of a game. As it stands, it was good but not great.
Bro wtf this guy is the most biased worst feedback giver ever it's good they only used his no life ass to find bugs
Calling BG3 a social dating simulator is hilariously accurate. I hate how they force every character to want to slob on you. It's like they've never heard of making a good friend with someone without wanting to sleep with them.
Ahh my friend im sorry nobody wants to sleep with u friend zone is a bitch
They did such amazing job with the real time combat what in the world they were thinking when they made a turn base game its so annoying