The fact that no one thought of him tells me these guys don't watch Jon Bois videos. And any self-respecting sports fan should watch all Jon Bois videos.
@@bryceyoungenthusiast No, different person. Jon Bois runs the Secret Base youtube channel and has a 4-hour Dave Stieb documentary that I would highly recommend.
so, interesting history lesson, the cleveland spiders were so bad because in 1898 the owner acquired another franchise and had the idea "if I split my talent between two team i'll have two middle-of-the road teams, but if i take all the good players on /this/ team and move them over /here/, sure the spiders would suck but my other team will really kick ass!" Cy Young was one that got transferred off of the Spiders to St. Louis, and he led the team in WAR that year. The next year the owners all decided that owning two teams was a conflict of interest and they dissolved the Spiders. The next franchise to make a move to Cleveland was the **checks notes** Grand Rapids Furniture Makers.
Came down here to comment the same. I would also not have thought of Nichols (I had no idea what team he played for) so Warren Spahn should be the automatic pick for the Braves. Besides recency bias, part of it has to do with people forgetting the Milwaukee/Boston era of the franchise. Come to think of it, did these guys pick Chipper Jones over Hank Aaron? That would be roughly the offensive equivalent.
I have a video idea The Most Mid Draft Draft single seasons of guys who were as close as possible to 0 WAR, minimum 100 games played that season Let's give The Replaceables some shine
I'm pretty sure the picture they showed for Cy Young was Grover Cleveland Alexander. And how the heck do none of you know what team Christy Mathewson played for?! Watch Ken Burns baseball for goddsake.
"I took the wrong fuckin' Johnson!" We've all been there. It's dark, it's noisy, words are said, you don't quite understand, there's a backroom, you go in, things happen, you leave, and it turns out that Randy was at the bar while Walter was giving it to you. It happens.
I always love when my namesake, Dave Smoke Stewart gets picked. Never thought his war with the A’s was that low though. I know he played for a lot of teams, but his Oakland and Toronto years are the ones I remember from when I first learned about him as a little kid.
Stewart is an easy one to fool people though. He (along with Orel Hershiser) is sort of the Madison Bumgarner of his era: really well-known and well-respected because he went beast mode in the postseason. It skews the memory of his career. I remember looking him up just a few years ago because I wanted to see what his Hall of Fame credentials looked like. To my surprise, a 100 ERA+ and a higher WHIP than I ever would have remembered. But in the playoffs? Few pitchers I'd rather have out there. Also, one of the nicer guys I've ever met from that era. He came out to do a little charity game for us along with a bunch of fellow A's and Giants alums. The one thing that strikes you is that his voice does not match his appearance. You fully expect to hear Isaac Hayes but you get what sounds more like Kevin Hart.
@@tayloroleary8880 it’s very common baseball knowledge that JR Richard is one of if not the biggest “what if” story in the sport… For people who post this many baseball trivia videos to say he simply “fell off” makes light of what actually happened to him. Even if you looked only at his stats page, he was having one of the best seasons of his career before the stroke so saying he “fell off” is not only disrespectful but also just plain wrong.
@@internetexplorer9990 wait. My initial comment was meant as a snarky comment about how they would have only looked at baseball reference. I'm aware of the Richard story. I don't think they were making light intentionally.
SPOILERS FOR THE END OF THE VIDEO When Lucas said that Jolly Needed 32.4 WAR in order to get second, he had only the Marlins, the Rockies, the Brewers, and the Rangers left. The first three teams there didn't have ANYONE that would have worked, the top for the Marlins is Josh Johnson with 25.8, top for the Rockies is Ubaldo Jimenez with 18.9, and top for the Brewers is Teddy Higuera with 30.3. The ONLY player that would have gotten him the victory is the number 1 Texas Rangers WAR leader, Charlie Hough with 32.6.
I've got an idea for another one of these episodes, but with a twist; Who can select the WORST starting lineup? Basically, choose whatever stat to focus on (home runs, steals, ERA, etc.), but only players with "X" amount of starts or AB's in the chosen season. I feel like it would make for a great series of episodes!
Jomboy really needs a Dodgers fan in the office because the 2nd largest Market having zero representation is kinda getting weird to see in all these videos. Just someone to defend the guy with the lowest ERA in the live ball era please, thanks! Thank you Lucas for trying your best though
Seems to be some confusion on this, but the Cleveland Spiders did not become the team we now know as the Cleveland Guardians. The Cleveland Spiders folded at the turn of the 20th century. The team we know as the Cleveland Guardians would have only been in existence for about 3 years and were going by the name the Grand Rapids Furniture Makers and the time of the Spider’s folding.
Kid Nichols is the 2nd best answer in this game, and who's honesty heard of him apart from people that stare at the all-time WAR pitcher leaderboard? I wonder if changing it to post integration makes it better/more fair. As somebody who's watched Ken Burns Baseball a lot, I do kinda like the pulls from over a century ago but it's really hard to compare WAR to then.
This game ABSOLUTELY favors the old-timers, who a) more likely played for one team, and b) had huge volume of games/innings/etc. The Walter Johnsons, Cy Youngs and Christy Mathewsos of the baseball world routinely put up double-digit seasons in their day, while Greg Maddux - as great as he was - never broke 10 in a single year.
Im not surprised he wasnt mentioned because i also wouldnt have known the team, but i was hoping for a gentleman's hurler aka Christy Mathewson purely because i know he was good and he also refused to pitch on Sundays because he was super religious which is one of the most badass things ever. Just telling your manager/owner no matter the situation that i am NOT pitching on Sunday is so boss.
The Cleveland Spiders are not associated with any current franchise, right? They were contracted by the league. While the Guardians are also located in Cleveland and came about after the Spiders ceased operations, there is no relationship between the franchises as far as I am aware. In fact when the Spiders folded in 1899 the Guardians were already playing as a minor league team for four seasons as the Columbus Senators (renamed from Columbus Buckeyes). So picking a player from one franchise should not eliminate a selection from the other.
My list: Roy Halladay (Blue Jays) Greg Maddux (Braves) Bob Gibson (Cardinals) Clayton Kershaw (Dodgers) Christy Mathewson (Giants) Tom Seaver (Mets) Walter Johnson (Senators/Twins) Jim Palmer (Orioles) Cy Young (Red Sox) Feeling incredible sicko getting a 735.4
Kershaw slander was wild and just wrong. Verlanders “down years in Detroit” is way over exaggerated, he was on just the team was bad. He only had like one bad year. And JR Richard didn’t fall off he had a stroke which suddenly ended his career.
I was hoping someone would take Ubaldo Jimenez just for kicks and giggles. I know the Rockies suck but gotta give the fans something every once in a while
I doubt Lucas will see this but if anyone else can help it would be greatly appreciated, where in the world does he get all his stats from? Like is it just studying baseball reference? Reading books? Genuinely curious
I do see these! For this series I have baseball reference up. For the other general baseball knowledge I have it’s all from books, constantly studying baseball reference, and an obsession with sporcle when I was younger
@@lucasdaversa795 no way! Thank man, I thought maybe my comment would get lost in the mix 😂 I appreciate that though, i never thought of using the sporcle quizzes as a way to learn more. Do you have a favourite baseball book you’d recommend?
The Cleveland Spiders and Cleveland Guardians are not the same franchise. Spiders were in the American Association/National League and the Guardians have always been an AL team.
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when Lucas says you need to touch grass you know its bad
I'd argue I was busy touching grass (and watching baseball) and NOT watching movies 😂
spent the last seven minutes of the video screaming “DAVE STIEB” at my phone, but other than that good stuff!
dude fr the stieb slander is INSANE
The fact that no one thought of him tells me these guys don't watch Jon Bois videos. And any self-respecting sports fan should watch all Jon Bois videos.
@@6thwilbury2331jomboy u mean?
@@bryceyoungenthusiast No, different person. Jon Bois runs the Secret Base youtube channel and has a 4-hour Dave Stieb documentary that I would highly recommend.
@@georgecarson6631 o
so, interesting history lesson, the cleveland spiders were so bad because in 1898 the owner acquired another franchise and had the idea "if I split my talent between two team i'll have two middle-of-the road teams, but if i take all the good players on /this/ team and move them over /here/, sure the spiders would suck but my other team will really kick ass!" Cy Young was one that got transferred off of the Spiders to St. Louis, and he led the team in WAR that year.
The next year the owners all decided that owning two teams was a conflict of interest and they dissolved the Spiders. The next franchise to make a move to Cleveland was the **checks notes** Grand Rapids Furniture Makers.
As someone who lives in Grand Rapids… that’s just dope af
Jolly: "I know the top 3 for the Braves: Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz"
Me: "Wait for it...."
Got nothing on the Kid :V
I was also thinking Phil Neikro, I don’t know how much he accumulated with ATL, but dude was there for almost 20 years
Again, another JM video where ignorance of the White Sox was costly. It was so easy to pick up almost 50 WAR at the end
instead of doing hipster shit
@@kaptrap19huh
I would've guessed Warren Spahn as the top Brave as I had no idea whom Kid Nichols had played for.
This might have been the worst #1 overall pick in the history of these drafts
He pulled a Charles Barkley except instead of Allen Iverson it's like Zach Randolph lol
@@robjohnson4480perfect lmao
thank god lucas is there to defend kershaw
Dalton rocking the Jimmy Neutron hair
I went into the comments looking for this comment haha
Not a dodgers fan but Dalton needs to put some respect on Kershaw, lol
This feels like the first to Walter Johnson game.
Mostly. Although in this circumstance, as Lucas pointed out, Ryan still would have won even without Walter.
Kid Nichols never would've been mentioned but I was hoping someone would try for Warren Spahn and his 90+ WAR.
I knew they woulf fall for the 90s braves trap. Warren Spahn is the dude.
Spahn or Knucksie would have made my soul happy but they’re both a little bit niche to Braves fans
Came down here to comment the same. I would also not have thought of Nichols (I had no idea what team he played for) so Warren Spahn should be the automatic pick for the Braves. Besides recency bias, part of it has to do with people forgetting the Milwaukee/Boston era of the franchise.
Come to think of it, did these guys pick Chipper Jones over Hank Aaron? That would be roughly the offensive equivalent.
Bruh is Dalton really making fun of Kersh while having that haircut😂
10:55 guys....that's not Cy Young. That's Grover Cleveland Alexander. I realise, "who cares?" But then don't use a photograph.
Pete Alexander demands respect
I have a video idea
The Most Mid Draft
Draft single seasons of guys who were as close as possible to 0 WAR, minimum 100 games played that season
Let's give The Replaceables some shine
Mid is like 1-2 WAR per year, 0 WAR is pretty bad
@@voncornhole 0 WAR is replacement level!
@@kristopherwilson506replacement level is not average acrosa MLB, it's what the formula asserts to be the average readily-available fill-in.
I'm down with this idea, sounds like fun. It also highlights some of the problems with the war stat imo (just imo please don't flay me😅)
This is Shane Robinson’s time to shine
"I took the wrong fucking Johnson!" could be a line of dialogue straight out of a Coen Brothers movie.
I was screaming Dave Stieb for so long and I'm so glad he ended up at least getting mentioned
I tried something new with the hair, didn't work. Womp womp haha
straight outta 2002 i fuck with it
Looks like shit
Honestly it’s not that bad, the swoop is just too long and swoopish. High and tight would definitely work.
Lookin good, Archie!
Don’t look bad at all. But if you are gunna make it work gotta commit to wearing it for a bit/get used to styling something you got confidence with!
I'm pretty sure the picture they showed for Cy Young was Grover Cleveland Alexander. And how the heck do none of you know what team Christy Mathewson played for?! Watch Ken Burns baseball for goddsake.
It's weird baseball diehards haven't seen it. Pretty sure it's available for free on PBS
Hey Jolly, thanks for inspiring to make baseball video essays as you do! Super fun.
"I took the wrong fuckin' Johnson!"
We've all been there. It's dark, it's noisy, words are said, you don't quite understand, there's a backroom, you go in, things happen, you leave, and it turns out that Randy was at the bar while Walter was giving it to you.
It happens.
Daltons hair 🤣🤣🤣 im sorry but bro
Yeah looks like he’s trying to be 12 again lol
I think he pulls it off
@bretthilbert8226 yeah but who are we to judge how it looks when he's having fun with it
I always love when my namesake, Dave Smoke Stewart gets picked. Never thought his war with the A’s was that low though. I know he played for a lot of teams, but his Oakland and Toronto years are the ones I remember from when I first learned about him as a little kid.
Stewart is an easy one to fool people though. He (along with Orel Hershiser) is sort of the Madison Bumgarner of his era: really well-known and well-respected because he went beast mode in the postseason. It skews the memory of his career. I remember looking him up just a few years ago because I wanted to see what his Hall of Fame credentials looked like. To my surprise, a 100 ERA+ and a higher WHIP than I ever would have remembered. But in the playoffs? Few pitchers I'd rather have out there.
Also, one of the nicer guys I've ever met from that era. He came out to do a little charity game for us along with a bunch of fellow A's and Giants alums. The one thing that strikes you is that his voice does not match his appearance. You fully expect to hear Isaac Hayes but you get what sounds more like Kevin Hart.
Cy Young for Cleveland still would have been on the board .. the Spiders were a different franchise (NL) that folded in 1899
Even if you don't pick a defunct team, his 8 years at Boston were some of the best of his career.
He went back to Cleveland towards the end of his career and played for the Naps (American league) which later became the Indians.
Immediately knew this wasnt gonna be a great showing since they dont know olds
The picture you used for Cy Young is Grover Cleveland Alexander....
JR Richard didn’t fall off…he had a stroke.
Completely different.
Doesn't say that on his stat page
@@tayloroleary8880 it’s very common baseball knowledge that JR Richard is one of if not the biggest “what if” story in the sport…
For people who post this many baseball trivia videos to say he simply “fell off” makes light of what actually happened to him.
Even if you looked only at his stats page, he was having one of the best seasons of his career before the stroke so saying he “fell off” is not only disrespectful but also just plain wrong.
@@internetexplorer9990 I meant that they're strictly stats guys.
@@tayloroleary8880 is this your first time watching them?
@@internetexplorer9990 wait. My initial comment was meant as a snarky comment about how they would have only looked at baseball reference. I'm aware of the Richard story. I don't think they were making light intentionally.
SPOILERS FOR THE END OF THE VIDEO
When Lucas said that Jolly Needed 32.4 WAR in order to get second, he had only the Marlins, the Rockies, the Brewers, and the Rangers left. The first three teams there didn't have ANYONE that would have worked, the top for the Marlins is Josh Johnson with 25.8, top for the Rockies is Ubaldo Jimenez with 18.9, and top for the Brewers is Teddy Higuera with 30.3. The ONLY player that would have gotten him the victory is the number 1 Texas Rangers WAR leader, Charlie Hough with 32.6.
Jolly is constantly saying "that was my next pick" in these videos lol
Ryan not knowing who steve rodgers was something else
I've got an idea for another one of these episodes, but with a twist;
Who can select the WORST starting lineup? Basically, choose whatever stat to focus on (home runs, steals, ERA, etc.), but only players with "X" amount of starts or AB's in the chosen season.
I feel like it would make for a great series of episodes!
Dalton trying to be cast in the live action Tintin movie.
For the braves, Phil Niekro was a knuckleballer and pitched s ton of innings, while Warren Spahn also played forever and accrued tons of WAR
Had to be Stieb
dave stieb should be in the hall of fame and the fact that his name didnt immediately spring to everyones mind is a testament to this
Shea Stadium! Nice one Jolly Olive!!
Bro Lucas is hilarious without even being on camera 😂
We gotta do everyone vs lucas
"JR Richard fell off", yeah man, he had a stroke 💀
Jomboy really needs a Dodgers fan in the office because the 2nd largest Market having zero representation is kinda getting weird to see in all these videos.
Just someone to defend the guy with the lowest ERA in the live ball era please, thanks! Thank you Lucas for trying your best though
Christ waiting that long for Walter Johnson was painful hahaha love the boys though
I laughed hard at Ryan's lack of pop culture knowledge 😆
I knew Dave Steib would be the Jay to pick because of the video Secret Base did. He was Mr. 1-hitter.
Clark Kent might be batman? bro really only knows ball and breathing
Seems to be some confusion on this, but the Cleveland Spiders did not become the team we now know as the Cleveland Guardians. The Cleveland Spiders folded at the turn of the 20th century. The team we know as the Cleveland Guardians would have only been in existence for about 3 years and were going by the name the Grand Rapids Furniture Makers and the time of the Spider’s folding.
Kid Nichols is the 2nd best answer in this game, and who's honesty heard of him apart from people that stare at the all-time WAR pitcher leaderboard? I wonder if changing it to post integration makes it better/more fair. As somebody who's watched Ken Burns Baseball a lot, I do kinda like the pulls from over a century ago but it's really hard to compare WAR to then.
This video is all the more reason for us to fight to get Captain Ahab Dave Stieb in the HOF in 2026
The world needs to see Joe Posnanski versus Lucas on one of these draft videos!
Do an all time RBI draft , can do one for every division, love the videos
Jolly's Incredibles reference was SPOT ON
How is Warren Spahn not even mentioned 🤦🏻♂️.
Next week, let’s go with all time walks, or all time doubles. Walks feels like it would be more challenging and fun. Barry Bonds pick 1?!?!?
DALTON RECOGNIZING KEVIN BROWN JUST MADE MY NIGHT
This was very over very quickly and became "Who can make D'aversa the happiest"
Love you guys, but that is definitely a photo of Grover Cleveland Alexander when you're talking about Cy Young!
Sucks being a JM Baseball fan and a Dodgers fan
You’re telling me, I feel the same as a Giants fan. 😂
It sucks being a fan of baseball in general and ending up a Rockies fan
@@maxp2305 haha yeah that’s true
This game ABSOLUTELY favors the old-timers, who a) more likely played for one team, and b) had huge volume of games/innings/etc. The Walter Johnsons, Cy Youngs and Christy Mathewsos of the baseball world routinely put up double-digit seasons in their day, while Greg Maddux - as great as he was - never broke 10 in a single year.
you need to do a home run draft for exclusively nl pitchers
Im not surprised he wasnt mentioned because i also wouldnt have known the team, but i was hoping for a gentleman's hurler aka Christy Mathewson purely because i know he was good and he also refused to pitch on Sundays because he was super religious which is one of the most badass things ever. Just telling your manager/owner no matter the situation that i am NOT pitching on Sunday is so boss.
I was waiting so long to hear Dave Stieb😭😭
Feely’s early 2000’s skaterboy look 🤌🏽
Can't believe they let Walter Johnson get to 5
its crazy that WAR is a new stat that never existed when 90% of the top WAR guys were still alive
A Kevin Brown reaction to Steve Rogers is meta
The Cleveland Spiders are not associated with any current franchise, right? They were contracted by the league. While the Guardians are also located in Cleveland and came about after the Spiders ceased operations, there is no relationship between the franchises as far as I am aware. In fact when the Spiders folded in 1899 the Guardians were already playing as a minor league team for four seasons as the Columbus Senators (renamed from Columbus Buckeyes).
So picking a player from one franchise should not eliminate a selection from the other.
Fully expecting Mike trout to be number 1 for pitching war on the angels lol
Why was Dalton worried about Verlander’s injuries? He rarely got injured on the Tigers
Missing on Christy Mathewson hurt my heart.
My list:
Roy Halladay (Blue Jays)
Greg Maddux (Braves)
Bob Gibson (Cardinals)
Clayton Kershaw (Dodgers)
Christy Mathewson (Giants)
Tom Seaver (Mets)
Walter Johnson (Senators/Twins)
Jim Palmer (Orioles)
Cy Young (Red Sox)
Feeling incredible sicko getting a 735.4
Asking for an all time strikeouts team… as in from the batting side
What happened to last week's refguess?
Why is Dalton a ginger, like me?
Kershaw slander was wild and just wrong.
Verlanders “down years in Detroit” is way over exaggerated, he was on just the team was bad. He only had like one bad year.
And JR Richard didn’t fall off he had a stroke which suddenly ended his career.
16:12
No effing say you haven’t seen any avengers or captain America movies
never been so fast to a video
As a sox fan, I was screaming Clemens in my head the whole time
Dalton's hair 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
4:56 phrasing !
You need to watch a few movies there Ryan! And Bruce Lee did not make karate movies hahaha
I believe the Cleveland Spiders folded, and have no connection to the Naps/Indians/Guardians.
When a D bags pitcher gets MVP and Cy young in the same year then you can slander Kersh
Who else wants a Lucas camera to see his reactions?
You ought to do the ultimate starting 9 player lineup in the 1980s
I was hoping someone would take Ubaldo Jimenez just for kicks and giggles. I know the Rockies suck but gotta give the fans something every once in a while
was screaming Dave Stieb at my computer for half this draft :,(
Jimmy neutron looking stylish as hell
The Spiders were a different franchise than the current Cleveland baseball club.
Jose Rijo was an absolute stud
Jolly missing Dave Stieb cmon! That Johnson pick sealed this so early for Ryan lmao
MY pick is Warren Spahn, Braves. 2nd pick is Old Hoss Radbourn for Boston
Ryan has a great nose. I always pick that one when I’m creating my Mii.
How did no one take clemens for the red sox
I doubt Lucas will see this but if anyone else can help it would be greatly appreciated, where in the world does he get all his stats from? Like is it just studying baseball reference? Reading books? Genuinely curious
I do see these! For this series I have baseball reference up. For the other general baseball knowledge I have it’s all from books, constantly studying baseball reference, and an obsession with sporcle when I was younger
@@lucasdaversa795 no way! Thank man, I thought maybe my comment would get lost in the mix 😂 I appreciate that though, i never thought of using the sporcle quizzes as a way to learn more.
Do you have a favourite baseball book you’d recommend?
Im finishing up the Baseball 100 by Joe Posnanski now and I’ve been absolutely loving it. He does a chapter on each of the 100 best players in history
Oh sweet! I’ll definitely be grabbing that one! 🫶 thanks again bro
As a Mexican viewer, I loved Jolly mentioning Yovani Gallardo😁👏
The Cleveland Spiders and Cleveland Guardians are not the same franchise. Spiders were in the American Association/National League and the Guardians have always been an AL team.
"He's like Jack Jack from the Incredibles if he grew up" JOMBOY LMFAO
Cleveland Spiders are distinct from the Cleveland Napoleons/Indians/Guardians
You need to do most wins in a season for a pitcher, if you haven’t already
Jolly has a huge lead: wanna see me make an unnecessarily risky and bad pick?
someone please get these three a podcast
Nierko/Spahn felt like huge misses. I was suspicious that Roberts had more than Carlton.
cy young, red sox and spahn, braves my picks for old heads