Who can Draft the Most Valuable Pitching Staff? (Pitching WAR Draft All Time Edition)
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Three baseball minds compete against each other to draft nine pitchers and a team they played on to try to total the most WAR by the end of the draft.
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Featuring: Jolly Olive, Dalton Feely, Ryan Cohen
Hosted by: Lucas D'Aversa
Edited by: Jack Sorensen
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when Lucas says you need to touch grass you know its bad
I'd argue I was busy touching grass (and watching baseball) and NOT watching movies 😂
This might have been the worst #1 overall pick in the history of these drafts
He pulled a Charles Barkley except instead of Allen Iverson it's like Zach Randolph lol
@@robjohnson4480perfect lmao
spent the last seven minutes of the video screaming “DAVE STIEB” at my phone, but other than that good stuff!
dude fr the stieb slander is INSANE
The fact that no one thought of him tells me these guys don't watch Jon Bois videos. And any self-respecting sports fan should watch all Jon Bois videos.
@@6thwilbury2331jomboy u mean?
@@bryceyoungenthusiast No, different person. Jon Bois runs the Secret Base youtube channel and has a 4-hour Dave Stieb documentary that I would highly recommend.
@@georgecarson6631 o
Kid Nichols never would've been mentioned but I was hoping someone would try for Warren Spahn and his 90+ WAR.
I knew they woulf fall for the 90s braves trap. Warren Spahn is the dude.
Spahn or Knucksie would have made my soul happy but they’re both a little bit niche to Braves fans
Came down here to comment the same. I would also not have thought of Nichols (I had no idea what team he played for) so Warren Spahn should be the automatic pick for the Braves. Besides recency bias, part of it has to do with people forgetting the Milwaukee/Boston era of the franchise.
Come to think of it, did these guys pick Chipper Jones over Hank Aaron? That would be roughly the offensive equivalent.
This feels like the first to Walter Johnson game.
Mostly. Although in this circumstance, as Lucas pointed out, Ryan still would have won even without Walter.
I have a video idea
The Most Mid Draft
Draft single seasons of guys who were as close as possible to 0 WAR, minimum 100 games played that season
Let's give The Replaceables some shine
Mid is like 1-2 WAR per year, 0 WAR is pretty bad
@@voncornhole 0 WAR is replacement level!
@@kristopherwilson506replacement level is not average acrosa MLB, it's what the formula asserts to be the average readily-available fill-in.
I'm down with this idea, sounds like fun. It also highlights some of the problems with the war stat imo (just imo please don't flay me😅)
This is Shane Robinson’s time to shine
I'm pretty sure the picture they showed for Cy Young was Grover Cleveland Alexander. And how the heck do none of you know what team Christy Mathewson played for?! Watch Ken Burns baseball for goddsake.
It's weird baseball diehards haven't seen it. Pretty sure it's available for free on PBS
"I took the wrong fucking Johnson!" could be a line of dialogue straight out of a Coen Brothers movie.
I always love when my namesake, Dave Smoke Stewart gets picked. Never thought his war with the A’s was that low though. I know he played for a lot of teams, but his Oakland and Toronto years are the ones I remember from when I first learned about him as a little kid.
Stewart is an easy one to fool people though. He (along with Orel Hershiser) is sort of the Madison Bumgarner of his era: really well-known and well-respected because he went beast mode in the postseason. It skews the memory of his career. I remember looking him up just a few years ago because I wanted to see what his Hall of Fame credentials looked like. To my surprise, a 100 ERA+ and a higher WHIP than I ever would have remembered. But in the playoffs? Few pitchers I'd rather have out there.
Also, one of the nicer guys I've ever met from that era. He came out to do a little charity game for us along with a bunch of fellow A's and Giants alums. The one thing that strikes you is that his voice does not match his appearance. You fully expect to hear Isaac Hayes but you get what sounds more like Kevin Hart.
Daltons hair 🤣🤣🤣 im sorry but bro
Yeah looks like he’s trying to be 12 again lol
I think he pulls it off
@bretthilbert8226 yeah but who are we to judge how it looks when he's having fun with it
Ryan not knowing who steve rodgers was something else
dave stieb should be in the hall of fame and the fact that his name didnt immediately spring to everyones mind is a testament to this
SPOILERS FOR THE END OF THE VIDEO
When Lucas said that Jolly Needed 32.4 WAR in order to get second, he had only the Marlins, the Rockies, the Brewers, and the Rangers left. The first three teams there didn't have ANYONE that would have worked, the top for the Marlins is Josh Johnson with 25.8, top for the Rockies is Ubaldo Jimenez with 18.9, and top for the Brewers is Teddy Higuera with 30.3. The ONLY player that would have gotten him the victory is the number 1 Texas Rangers WAR leader, Charlie Hough with 32.6.
Kid Nichols is the 2nd best answer in this game, and who's honesty heard of him apart from people that stare at the all-time WAR pitcher leaderboard? I wonder if changing it to post integration makes it better/more fair. As somebody who's watched Ken Burns Baseball a lot, I do kinda like the pulls from over a century ago but it's really hard to compare WAR to then.
Seems to be some confusion on this, but the Cleveland Spiders did not become the team we now know as the Cleveland Guardians. The Cleveland Spiders folded at the turn of the 20th century. The team we know as the Cleveland Guardians would have only been in existence for about 3 years and were going by the name the Grand Rapids Furniture Makers and the time of the Spider’s folding.
Jomboy really needs a Dodgers fan in the office because the 2nd largest Market having zero representation is kinda getting weird to see in all these videos.
Just someone to defend the guy with the lowest ERA in the live ball era please, thanks! Thank you Lucas for trying your best though
This video is all the more reason for us to fight to get Captain Ahab Dave Stieb in the HOF in 2026
Bro Lucas is hilarious without even being on camera 😂
How is Warren Spahn not even mentioned 🤦🏻♂️.
Shea Stadium! Nice one Jolly Olive!!
My list:
Roy Halladay (Blue Jays)
Greg Maddux (Braves)
Bob Gibson (Cardinals)
Clayton Kershaw (Dodgers)
Christy Mathewson (Giants)
Tom Seaver (Mets)
Walter Johnson (Senators/Twins)
Jim Palmer (Orioles)
Cy Young (Red Sox)
Feeling incredible sicko getting a 735.4
As a sox fan, I was screaming Clemens in my head the whole time
Jolly's Incredibles reference was SPOT ON
Ryan has a great nose. I always pick that one when I’m creating my Mii.
Clark Kent might be batman? bro really only knows ball and breathing
Missing on Christy Mathewson hurt my heart.
MY pick is Warren Spahn, Braves. 2nd pick is Old Hoss Radbourn for Boston
Feely’s early 2000’s skaterboy look 🤌🏽
you need to do a home run draft for exclusively nl pitchers
DALTON RECOGNIZING KEVIN BROWN JUST MADE MY NIGHT
cy young, red sox and spahn, braves my picks for old heads
Cleveland Spiders are distinct from the Cleveland Napoleons/Indians/Guardians
"He's like Jack Jack from the Incredibles if he grew up" JOMBOY LMFAO
never been so fast to a video
A Kevin Brown reaction to Steve Rogers is meta
You ought to do the ultimate starting 9 player lineup in the 1980s
its crazy that WAR is a new stat that never existed when 90% of the top WAR guys were still alive
Foolish Baseball: **makes a Baseball Bits video about how the Cleveland Spiders became terrible because the owners of the St. Louis Browns brought the team and transferred all of the best players including Cy Young to their new team, causing the Cleveland Spiders to crater to 134 losses**
Jolly Olive: "Wait was [Cy Young] on the Spiders team that lost the most games ever?
Jose Rijo was an absolute stud
An incorrect guess shouldn’t eliminate you, it should just make you lose that turn, which gives the other players a big advantage to lock up the better picks
The Spiders were a different franchise than the current Cleveland baseball club.
dave stieb will be eternally slept on, has jon bois taught us nothing?
Jimmy neutron looking stylish as hell
Chuck Finley was a REALLY good pitcher
Nierko/Spahn felt like huge misses. I was suspicious that Roberts had more than Carlton.
Warren Spahn? Baseball before 1995 didn't exist for Jolly
16:12
No effing say you haven’t seen any avengers or captain America movies
The Cleveland Guardians were never the Cleveland Spiders! The Spiders folded in 1899, and the Guardians were founded in 1901
Jon Bois and Alex Rubenstein didn't make a masterpiece mini series about Dave Stieb only for these jokers to absolutely wiff on picking him
I doubt Lucas will see this but if anyone else can help it would be greatly appreciated, where in the world does he get all his stats from? Like is it just studying baseball reference? Reading books? Genuinely curious
I do see these! For this series I have baseball reference up. For the other general baseball knowledge I have it’s all from books, constantly studying baseball reference, and an obsession with sporcle when I was younger
@@lucasdaversa795 no way! Thank man, I thought maybe my comment would get lost in the mix 😂 I appreciate that though, i never thought of using the sporcle quizzes as a way to learn more.
Do you have a favourite baseball book you’d recommend?
Im finishing up the Baseball 100 by Joe Posnanski now and I’ve been absolutely loving it. He does a chapter on each of the 100 best players in history
Oh sweet! I’ll definitely be grabbing that one! 🫶 thanks again bro
I knew they were gonna have Robin Roberts on there.
When a D bags pitcher gets MVP and Cy young in the same year then you can slander Kersh
Cleveland Naps Dalton come on!
11:42 4 teams? In 27 years? That’s “way too many”? Jesus it’s like you just hire any random person for jomsoy media even if they only have an incredibly basic knowledge of baseball
Is the dude on the left trying to look like Jimmy Neutron?
Charlie Hough would have gotten Jolly second.
In this day and age, how does a Y/T baseball channel miss Dave Stieb?
Jomboy Media's not a fan of Jon Bois, apparently. XD
No warren spahn love huh
I thought everyone’s hair looked nice in this one. Genuine
6:21 is when I turned off this video
Orioles legend yovani gallardo
How was Walter Johnson not 1.1??
If jake isn’t in it then it doesn’t count
No blaspheming please thanks
show me walter johnson 1:1
Under minute gang ----->
Ryan is not a baseball fan
Dalton told the barber “Gimme the Syndrome from the Incredibles”
Jolly: "I know the top 3 for the Braves: Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz"
Me: "Wait for it...."
Got nothing on the Kid :V
I was also thinking Phil Neikro, I don’t know how much he accumulated with ATL, but dude was there for almost 20 years
Again, another JM video where ignorance of the White Sox was costly. It was so easy to pick up almost 50 WAR at the end
instead of doing hipster shit
@@kaptrap19huh
I would've guessed Warren Spahn as the top Brave as I had no idea whom Kid Nichols had played for.
Not a dodgers fan but Dalton needs to put some respect on Kershaw, lol
so, interesting history lesson, the cleveland spiders were so bad because in 1898 the owner acquired another franchise and had the idea "if I split my talent between two team i'll have two middle-of-the road teams, but if i take all the good players on /this/ team and move them over /here/, sure the spiders would suck but my other team will really kick ass!" Cy Young was one that got transferred off of the Spiders to St. Louis, and he led the team in WAR that year.
The next year the owners all decided that owning two teams was a conflict of interest and they dissolved the Spiders. The next franchise to make a move to Cleveland was the **checks notes** Grand Rapids Furniture Makers.
As someone who lives in Grand Rapids… that’s just dope af
thank god lucas is there to defend kershaw
Dalton rocking the Jimmy Neutron hair
I went into the comments looking for this comment haha
10:55 guys....that's not Cy Young. That's Grover Cleveland Alexander. I realise, "who cares?" But then don't use a photograph.
Pete Alexander demands respect
I tried something new with the hair, didn't work. Womp womp haha
straight outta 2002 i fuck with it
Looks like shit
Honestly it’s not that bad, the swoop is just too long and swoopish. High and tight would definitely work.
Lookin good, Archie!
Don’t look bad at all. But if you are gunna make it work gotta commit to wearing it for a bit/get used to styling something you got confidence with!
Immediately knew this wasnt gonna be a great showing since they dont know olds
Bruh is Dalton really making fun of Kersh while having that haircut😂
Cy Young for Cleveland still would have been on the board .. the Spiders were a different franchise (NL) that folded in 1899
Even if you don't pick a defunct team, his 8 years at Boston were some of the best of his career.
He went back to Cleveland towards the end of his career and played for the Naps (American league) which later became the Indians.
JR Richard didn’t fall off…he had a stroke.
Completely different.
Doesn't say that on his stat page
@@tayloroleary8880 it’s very common baseball knowledge that JR Richard is one of if not the biggest “what if” story in the sport…
For people who post this many baseball trivia videos to say he simply “fell off” makes light of what actually happened to him.
Even if you looked only at his stats page, he was having one of the best seasons of his career before the stroke so saying he “fell off” is not only disrespectful but also just plain wrong.
@@internetexplorer9990 I meant that they're strictly stats guys.
@@tayloroleary8880 is this your first time watching them?
@@internetexplorer9990 wait. My initial comment was meant as a snarky comment about how they would have only looked at baseball reference. I'm aware of the Richard story. I don't think they were making light intentionally.
Had to be Stieb
Sucks being a JM Baseball fan and a Dodgers fan
You’re telling me, I feel the same as a Giants fan. 😂
It sucks being a fan of baseball in general and ending up a Rockies fan
@@maxp2305 haha yeah that’s true
I like Dalton but that hair is awful lol
I was screaming Dave Stieb for so long and I'm so glad he ended up at least getting mentioned
Why is Dalton a ginger, like me?
We gotta do everyone vs lucas
"I took the wrong fuckin' Johnson!"
We've all been there. It's dark, it's noisy, words are said, you don't quite understand, there's a backroom, you go in, things happen, you leave, and it turns out that Randy was at the bar while Walter was giving it to you.
It happens.
Dalton trying to be cast in the live action Tintin movie.
The Cleveland Spiders are not associated with any current franchise, right? They were contracted by the league. While the Guardians are also located in Cleveland and came about after the Spiders ceased operations, there is no relationship between the franchises as far as I am aware. In fact when the Spiders folded in 1899 the Guardians were already playing as a minor league team for four seasons as the Columbus Senators (renamed from Columbus Buckeyes).
So picking a player from one franchise should not eliminate a selection from the other.
The picture you used for Cy Young is Grover Cleveland Alexander....
I love you Dalton. I don’t know you but I love you… which is why I need to tell you to never do your hair like that again. Nobody does their hair like that after 7th grade… except Miley Cyrus
Can't believe they let Walter Johnson get to 5
I believe the Cleveland Spiders folded, and have no connection to the Naps/Indians/Guardians.
Kershaw slander was wild and just wrong.
Verlanders “down years in Detroit” is way over exaggerated, he was on just the team was bad. He only had like one bad year.
And JR Richard didn’t fall off he had a stroke which suddenly ended his career.
You need to watch a few movies there Ryan! And Bruce Lee did not make karate movies hahaha
God, Daulton is so annoying. We’d be great friends, I can tell.
Next week, let’s go with all time walks, or all time doubles. Walks feels like it would be more challenging and fun. Barry Bonds pick 1?!?!?
I knew Dave Steib would be the Jay to pick because of the video Secret Base did. He was Mr. 1-hitter.
Fully expecting Mike trout to be number 1 for pitching war on the angels lol
For the braves, Phil Niekro was a knuckleballer and pitched s ton of innings, while Warren Spahn also played forever and accrued tons of WAR
Christ waiting that long for Walter Johnson was painful hahaha love the boys though