Jolly: picks chipper jones instead of hank aaron 30 seconds later: “man i’m on today!” 30 seconds later: “Ernie Banks for outfield or first base right?”
They're all incredibly knowledgable... but only when it comes to a narrow time frame. Overall, I'd ballpark it as the last 20 years. This comes up in the comment threads all of the time, how crazy it is that they can name a random player's OPS+ from 2019 but then have never heard of Rogers Hornsby or someone on that level. And I can never criticize because I'm the total opposite. I can recall with strange detail the lineup for, say, the 1982 Milwaukee Brewers or tell you precisely the top five MLB stolen base leaders in 1980. Yet I couldn't guess within 100 either way what Spencer Strider's career strikeout total is or even what Luis Arraez' batting average was last year.
@@6thwilbury2331 we’re not talking about hornsby or strider or arraez. we’re talking about not naming hank aaron in a single team hits draft, and not knowing that Ernie Banks wasn’t a first baseman. this shit is elementary for anyone wether their knowledge is recent or not.
It’a also a shame that nobody knew anything *about* Ty Cobb. I get that he’s not super relevant to much of modern MLB, but he’s a 150 WAR player with the highest career batting average of all time. Makes me want a Ref Guess of inner-circle Hall of Famers who retired before the Divisional Era…just as a means of assessing which Jomboy regulars could use a remedial viewing of the Ken Burns docuseries. Gotta know, at a minimum, that Ty Cobb played for the Tigers….heck, virtually every photo of him features that iconic Old English D - which is STILL IN USE a century later and is unquestionably the most recognizable logo in Tigers history
"Welcome to the Home Runs by Players Named or Nicknamed 'Hank' Draft. Jolly, you have the first pick." Jolly: "/wry smile /witty tangential joke /grin a mile wide and oozing confidence. ..."ok and with that said, I'm drafting Hank Allen." Narrator: "Hank Allen played 4 seasons with the Washington Senators and had 6 homeruns."
@@kristopherwilson506 Jake said he didn't know Ty Cobb's team or position, so that guy was just pointing out that Jake's knowledge of the olds did not extend to the Peach
@@kristopherwilson506 True, but he had two chances to take him before Kaline went off the board, and not remembering Cobb's position is... somewhat understandable. Not knowing the guy who was the all-time hit leader for more than 50 years played that many years w/ one team is less understandable.
@@JadenAprilyeah but he’s 2nd all time in hits. He has a pretty infamous reputation (which has mostly been proven false in recent history). If you follow baseball and baseball history, that name should jump out when hits are talked about.
@@chasestankievech haha yea Jake knows way more. Shelfy and Jolly’s baseball knowledge seems to be limited to Diamond Dynasty and whatever youtube video he did last.
Wagner wouldn't have been a correct pick though. Clemente had more as a Pirate and the 3 SS they took all had more hits for a single team than Wagner who was a little less than 3,000 with the Pirates. With Musial there is an argument for Yadi. Obviously less hits but is the best C so in this type of draft there is a legit argument. Now did they think of that, no I think they just forgot about him. Cobb is absolutely inexcusable
@@johndeangelis8424 No they didn't. The Pirates already existed before the Colonels foulded. The Colonel's owner bought an interest in the Pirates and took about a dozen players with him which ended the Colonels but they aren't the same franchise
While watching I realized I certainly overestimated how long certain ancient players were with their teams. I was sitting there thinking "someone needs to pick Nap Lajoie" - who was prominent enough that the Cleveland team was called the "Naps" for the early part of their history - but he "only" hit 2500 with them.
Lajoie actually one of the best answers as he is not only the leading hitter in cleveland history, but he also played second base which jolly and shelfy both got really low scores at.
He played a couple of seasons before they (and the AL itself) existed- he was one of the biggest star level players to jump over to the AL which was a big factor in his prominence with the Cleveland team that early in its history
Just looked at Zack Wheat's baseball reference page. Interesting player I had no idea existed. Seemed like he was one of the NL's best contact hitters for much of his career, but also had stretches as one of the league's best power hitters.
Im assuming the reason Mauer made best possible lineup over Yadi is because Musial also made the lineup and you can’t have 2 players from the same franchise in the lineup?
nice pull on tris speaker. i was thinking nap lajoie the entire time but figured nobody had heard of him; and i'm gonna be honest i had no idea that tris speaker played for the indians. I just immediately thought of Nap because he was so damn good they named the team after him (they were called the Naps until 1915)
I've got an idea for another one of these episodes, but with a twist; Who can select the WORST starting lineup? Basically, choose whatever stat to focus on (home runs, steals, ERA, etc.), but only players with "X" amount of starts or AB's in the chosen season. I feel like it would make for a great series of episodes!
Next time, you guys should draft teams with the most wins. Each person can draft 10 of the 30 teams, you have to pick the year that had the most wins. Can't pick the same team twice.
This particular game is why it probably pays to know the old-timers, as they were far more likely to stick with a single team. For every Derek Jeter in the last few decades, there are people like Ty Cobb, Stan Musial, Honus Wagner, et al who played their entire careers in one place. In fact, there is a great book called Hometown Heroes that features profiles on all of the players who lasted 10+ years (or something like that) with only one MLB team. The author, Clay Sigg, was a real estate guy in Sacramento but was a huge baseball fan in his free time. As I understand it, he went around and interviewed the living members of his list, which had to be the coolest project ever for a seamhead.
Jolly: “ooh good pick I thought you were gonna take Jeter” Jake: still has wrap around pick left, takes Jeter Jolly is always shooting himself in the foot in these lol
This is a very cool idea. An idea I had that y'all could do in the future would be an ERA draft, where you draft pitchers who have like 15+ starts in a season or a noticeable number (not just one or two fluke starts), and the ERA is your score. The player with the lowest ERA wins! Just an idea, keep up the great work!
You should put the teams on the screen and cross them off the board as you go. Makes it more difficult to play along without knowing what teams are left.
-leaves top 3 hitters of all-time off their lists- Jolly: “If you did better at home let us know in the comments section below although I don’t know if that’s possible”
I did the draft before the video started. Of course, not playing against them helps but I picked up 25,136 hits with Bench C, Killabrew 1B, Biggio 2B, Jeter SS, Schmidt 3B, Yount OF, Mays OF, Cobb OF, and Ortiz DH. Feel pretty dumb about not getting Hank, Yaz, or Stan..
and with the 10th pick in the Jomboy Media All-Time Hits Draft, Jolly “I’d never draft a Brave” Olive selects: Chipper Jones, 3rd baseman, Atlanta Braves.
I wanted to see what kind of lineup I could make using just Babe Ruth's rWAR (182.6) Ended up with LF Adam Dunn 1B Ryan Howard 2B Dan Uggla 3B Vinny Castilla SS Juan Uribe CF Gorman Thomas RF Jermaine Dye C AJ Pierzynski DH Travis Hafner Over 2,500 homers but only 180 rWAR!
If I got my ideal picks: 1-Cobb, OF Detroit 2-Aaron, OF Atlanta 3-Musial, 1B St. Louis 4-Wagner, SS Pittsburgh 5-Jeter, DH New York (AL) 6-Rose, 2B Cincinnati 7-Brett, 3B Kansas City 8-Yastremski, OF Boston 9- Mauer, C Minnesota (once I took Jeter and Berra wasn't an option and Bench was gone because of Rose, I was down to Mauer and Judge with Texas. Hope I picked right.
The Jose Canseco A's answer was bad answer but looking at it not nearly as bad as it seemed initially- while the A's are a historical franchise with lots of legendary players they've always had a thing about getting rid of their best players early due to finances (I guess that is how you move three times). While guys like Al Simmons and Rickey Henderson would both be much better choices for A's outfielders they are still much further down the list than you would think for, again, a historical franchise for the A's.
Hits is so much better than Avg. because some guys could be 1/2 and have a .500 avg, but if you make in only qualified hitters, people like Corey Seager wouldnt count even thought he played most of the season
The Hank Aaron disrespect in the Jomboy offices is so disappointing.
Jolly to be specific. 🤣🤣🤣
Almost as bad as the Barry bonds disrespect
@@Jakenunify roid man
It's an office of trolls. They do it on purpose 😅
Don't lump all of the Jomboy office on the hate train, it's just Jolly and maybe Shelfy cause of their favorite teams
the titles of these videos should be changed to, "Lets see how much more ball Jake Storielli knows than everyone else"
Knowing more than nothing will always seem like a lot.
He still didn’t know Ty Cobb played most of his career for DET.
Lol 💯
@@harrisonbaylor1432I bet you felt really cool saying that, Harrison
@@yungbisharp so far 11 other people did too. You should go find some friends.
I greatly appreciate Lucas pointing out how these three guys completely whiffed on some of the all-time hit leaders.
Jolly: picks chipper jones instead of hank aaron
30 seconds later: “man i’m on today!”
30 seconds later: “Ernie Banks for outfield or first base right?”
Yeah I need to start skipping videos with Jolly in the future. He's a fake expert.
@@MichaelM-uw3mkor he's just a fan of baseball having fun for youtube lol
@@MichaelM-uw3mk I don't think he's ever claimed to be an expert lmao.
They're all incredibly knowledgable... but only when it comes to a narrow time frame. Overall, I'd ballpark it as the last 20 years. This comes up in the comment threads all of the time, how crazy it is that they can name a random player's OPS+ from 2019 but then have never heard of Rogers Hornsby or someone on that level.
And I can never criticize because I'm the total opposite. I can recall with strange detail the lineup for, say, the 1982 Milwaukee Brewers or tell you precisely the top five MLB stolen base leaders in 1980. Yet I couldn't guess within 100 either way what Spencer Strider's career strikeout total is or even what Luis Arraez' batting average was last year.
@@6thwilbury2331 we’re not talking about hornsby or strider or arraez. we’re talking about not naming hank aaron in a single team hits draft, and not knowing that Ernie Banks wasn’t a first baseman. this shit is elementary for anyone wether their knowledge is recent or not.
Ty Cobb not going 1:1 is absolutely insane
Most of the top five weren't picked, unless I missed them. Cobb, Musial, Aaron and Wagner.
It’a also a shame that nobody knew anything *about* Ty Cobb. I get that he’s not super relevant to much of modern MLB, but he’s a 150 WAR player with the highest career batting average of all time.
Makes me want a Ref Guess of inner-circle Hall of Famers who retired before the Divisional Era…just as a means of assessing which Jomboy regulars could use a remedial viewing of the Ken Burns docuseries. Gotta know, at a minimum, that Ty Cobb played for the Tigers….heck, virtually every photo of him features that iconic Old English D - which is STILL IN USE a century later and is unquestionably the most recognizable logo in Tigers history
Yeah, anyone who doesn't know Ty Cobb's team or position should find another hobby.
These guys are largely ignorant to baseball history prior to their lifetimes.
Jolly is KILLING ME with the Hank Aaron ignorance- Mets Fan
not just Jolly. the whole crew. Hank should've gone in the first round.
"Known Contact-Hitter Jose Canseco" = all time line 🤣🤣🤣
He was known to use his head sometimes
Please let Lucas play one game and smoke these guys
Fax
I wanna see Lucas vs Jake in one of these lol
"Welcome to the Home Runs by Players Named or Nicknamed 'Hank' Draft. Jolly, you have the first pick." Jolly: "/wry smile /witty tangential joke /grin a mile wide and oozing confidence. ..."ok and with that said, I'm drafting Hank Allen." Narrator: "Hank Allen played 4 seasons with the Washington Senators and had 6 homeruns."
I'll take Hammerin Hank Greenberg
Jake gets big style points for taking Tris Speaker
I love his knowledge of the olds
** excluding Ty Cobb and the near quarter-century he spent and 3,900 hits he collected with the Tigers.
@@thereitstuff1 once Al Kaline was gone he couldn't have taken him though
you'd think Shelfy would as an MLB The Show player... Speaker, Stan, Cobb, Honus Wagner... so many guys left off the board
@@kristopherwilson506 Jake said he didn't know Ty Cobb's team or position, so that guy was just pointing out that Jake's knowledge of the olds did not extend to the Peach
@@kristopherwilson506 True, but he had two chances to take him before Kaline went off the board, and not remembering Cobb's position is... somewhat understandable. Not knowing the guy who was the all-time hit leader for more than 50 years played that many years w/ one team is less understandable.
Jolly has got to do some studying on players before 1990
Meanwhile I’m out here picking Ty Cobb Rogers Hornsby and Honus
TY COBB! now does Jolly know anyone that played before the 90's Update to follow
No... he doesn't. Love the series!
Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron, Cap Anson, Stan Musial.... come on guys. Baseball existed before 1990.
I do respect the Tris Speaker pull from Jake. Played too much time in Boston, though.
It amazes me and infuriates me how terrible Jolly is at these
The all time home run draft will have you unsubscribing lol
It makes it more fun tbh
caught myself screaming ty cobb at the screen. Amazing he did not get picked
Well he did play like 200 years ago
@@JadenAprilyeah but he’s 2nd all time in hits. He has a pretty infamous reputation (which has mostly been proven false in recent history). If you follow baseball and baseball history, that name should jump out when hits are talked about.
That was my first guess too
Ditto, and with Stan Musial too.
Cobb was eliminated pretty early with the Al Kaline pick.
these videos are just becoming all of us screaming at our screens because they all dont know baseball existed before 1990
By they you mean jolly and shelf
for that reason, Jake is our one and true saving grace
@@chasestankievech haha yea Jake knows way more. Shelfy and Jolly’s baseball knowledge seems to be limited to Diamond Dynasty and whatever youtube video he did last.
Jolly is the kinda of fan who likes the sport but only knows stuff if he looks it up. He has no ball history knowledge off the top of his head.
It’s actually crazy that Ty Cobb, Stan the man and Honus Wagner were not the first names
Wagner wouldn't have been a correct pick though. Clemente had more as a Pirate and the 3 SS they took all had more hits for a single team than Wagner who was a little less than 3,000 with the Pirates. With Musial there is an argument for Yadi. Obviously less hits but is the best C so in this type of draft there is a legit argument. Now did they think of that, no I think they just forgot about him. Cobb is absolutely inexcusable
@@mse326 Technically the team Wagner played for the Louisville Colonels did become the Pirates
@@johndeangelis8424 No they didn't. The Pirates already existed before the Colonels foulded. The Colonel's owner bought an interest in the Pirates and took about a dozen players with him which ended the Colonels but they aren't the same franchise
While watching I realized I certainly overestimated how long certain ancient players were with their teams. I was sitting there thinking "someone needs to pick Nap Lajoie" - who was prominent enough that the Cleveland team was called the "Naps" for the early part of their history - but he "only" hit 2500 with them.
Lajoie actually one of the best answers as he is not only the leading hitter in cleveland history, but he also played second base which jolly and shelfy both got really low scores at.
He played a couple of seasons before they (and the AL itself) existed- he was one of the biggest star level players to jump over to the AL which was a big factor in his prominence with the Cleveland team that early in its history
No way Jolly said Ernie banks for the outfield
Just looked at Zack Wheat's baseball reference page. Interesting player I had no idea existed. Seemed like he was one of the NL's best contact hitters for much of his career, but also had stretches as one of the league's best power hitters.
Ty Cobb not being the FIRST pick, Stan "The Man" not being picked at 1B and the Hank Aaron disrespect is ABYSMAL.
Im assuming the reason Mauer made best possible lineup over Yadi is because Musial also made the lineup and you can’t have 2 players from the same franchise in the lineup?
Yep
These drafts are some of the best sports content on youtube! Good shit boys!
Jolly: “i’m hot today”
*30 seconds after forgetting Hank Aaron exists*
nice pull on tris speaker. i was thinking nap lajoie the entire time but figured nobody had heard of him; and i'm gonna be honest i had no idea that tris speaker played for the indians. I just immediately thought of Nap because he was so damn good they named the team after him (they were called the Naps until 1915)
16:09 - I was hoping Jake would do "Castillo...DROP THE BALL! HE DROPPED THE BALL!" right in front of Jolly.
Feels crazy that Jake didn't Know Ty Cobb's position or team then pulls Tris Speaker outfield for Cleveland. this was a good one.
Now could we not put biggio as a catcher, he did play 500 games behind the dish. It would be a smart move
Watching wake and jake and hearing how he loved just drafting players growing up, makes it so much funnier to see him dominate these drafts!!!
Not picking Ty Cobb number 1 overall is a fumble. Guy had like 3800 hits with the Tigers.
I've got an idea for another one of these episodes, but with a twist;
Who can select the WORST starting lineup? Basically, choose whatever stat to focus on (home runs, steals, ERA, etc.), but only players with "X" amount of starts or AB's in the chosen season.
I feel like it would make for a great series of episodes!
Michael Young mention. Was screaming it the first few minutes of the video. 😂 Good job Shelfy!
Next time, you guys should draft teams with the most wins. Each person can draft 10 of the 30 teams, you have to pick the year that had the most wins. Can't pick the same team twice.
Lucas vs Jake in a best of 7 needs to happen
This particular game is why it probably pays to know the old-timers, as they were far more likely to stick with a single team. For every Derek Jeter in the last few decades, there are people like Ty Cobb, Stan Musial, Honus Wagner, et al who played their entire careers in one place.
In fact, there is a great book called Hometown Heroes that features profiles on all of the players who lasted 10+ years (or something like that) with only one MLB team. The author, Clay Sigg, was a real estate guy in Sacramento but was a huge baseball fan in his free time. As I understand it, he went around and interviewed the living members of his list, which had to be the coolest project ever for a seamhead.
“George Brett, he had….No Knees” 😂😂
Jolly: “ooh good pick I thought you were gonna take Jeter”
Jake: still has wrap around pick left, takes Jeter
Jolly is always shooting himself in the foot in these lol
The Diamond Dynasty reference followed immediately by the MLB 9 Innings plug is *chef's kiss*.
This is a very cool idea. An idea I had that y'all could do in the future would be an ERA draft, where you draft pitchers who have like 15+ starts in a season or a noticeable number (not just one or two fluke starts), and the ERA is your score. The player with the lowest ERA wins!
Just an idea, keep up the great work!
I'd say for starters they have to be eligible for the ERA title (162 IP) that season to get drafted.
drafting Roberto Alomar is hilarious LMFAO
You should put the teams on the screen and cross them off the board as you go. Makes it more difficult to play along without knowing what teams are left.
Would Craig Biggio technically count as the leading catcher by quiz rules? Love these quizzes you guys!
I wrote an essay in my sophomore year of high school about how Ted Williams is the greatest baseball player of all time. I got an A.
There was a period Ernie played in the OF between SS and 1B but it was brief
Jake just absolutely curb stomping them😂
Jake does not suck...today. Tomorrow the Draft King shall be tested again. It's Jake's kingdom and we're all just living in it. 👑
Theres gotta be a video about Zack Wheat now
I was watching a DogderFilms Softball game on UA-cam and saw Shelfy and it kind of blew my mind!
-leaves top 3 hitters of all-time off their lists-
Jolly: “If you did better at home let us know in the comments section below although I don’t know if that’s possible”
My man picked Al Kaline and not Cobb. Thats Zo levels.
Three picks in and no Hank Aaron🤨
love the PNC background
Best part of the video is seeing jakes handwriting
When Shelfy said Kaline instead of Cobb, i nearly threw my phone.
Jake… we didn’t have to watch Jeter field at age 40 to know he was bad, you could have watched at age 20 and known he was bad.
My favorite videos on all of UA-cam
These videos should be titled: Everyone forgets about Hank Aaron
All of these youngsters in the Jomboy office need to educate themselves on baseball history pre- 21st century LOL
Next time you do one of these, you should eliminate the favorite team of each of the players, making them pick from the remaining 27.
I did the draft before the video started. Of course, not playing against them helps but I picked up 25,136 hits with Bench C, Killabrew 1B, Biggio 2B, Jeter SS, Schmidt 3B, Yount OF, Mays OF, Cobb OF, and Ortiz DH. Feel pretty dumb about not getting Hank, Yaz, or Stan..
Hahahahaha "yeah but did you see him play defense when he was 40?"
and with the 10th pick in the Jomboy Media All-Time Hits Draft, Jolly “I’d never draft a Brave” Olive selects: Chipper Jones, 3rd baseman, Atlanta Braves.
For the best lineup drop Mauer, but Biggio at catcher. Put Pete Rose at 2B. Then WIllie Mays at DH
Or you can put Cap Anson at catcher.
I was screaming Stan the man
jolly continues to not know baseball was played before 1990
jaake really said g-unit at 13:34
I play Tris Speaker on Immaculate Grid at least once a week.
I wanted to see what kind of lineup I could make using just Babe Ruth's rWAR (182.6)
Ended up with
LF Adam Dunn
1B Ryan Howard
2B Dan Uggla
3B Vinny Castilla
SS Juan Uribe
CF Gorman Thomas
RF Jermaine Dye
C AJ Pierzynski
DH Travis Hafner
Over 2,500 homers but only 180 rWAR!
Apparently baseball was invented in the 1990s lmao
I live the PNC park faded backgroud 😂
If I got my ideal picks:
1-Cobb, OF Detroit
2-Aaron, OF Atlanta
3-Musial, 1B St. Louis
4-Wagner, SS Pittsburgh
5-Jeter, DH New York (AL)
6-Rose, 2B Cincinnati
7-Brett, 3B Kansas City
8-Yastremski, OF Boston
9- Mauer, C Minnesota (once I took Jeter and Berra wasn't an option and Bench was gone because of Rose, I was down to Mauer and Judge with Texas. Hope I picked right.
Ernie Banks isn’t a legend card in MLB 9 Innings. Jomboy please tell them fix it very sad. He’s MR. CUB
shelfy my goat for bringing up my other goat michael young
Jolly you don't get to say "this game sucks" when you keep passing on Hank Aaron
I'm kind of impressed Al Kaline was known however if you know Kaline you should know Cobb as well.
Piazza went to the Padres lol
Also, i liked him cuz he was in Backyard Baseball
The lack of baseball knowledge in this baseball office is absurd
How do you not go Henderson on the As?
Will they do the Division since 2000 drafts with hits too?
The disrespect y’all give Johnny Bench on this channel is sad…always gets forgotten
Cincinnati lifer, 2158 hits. Well shy of Rose though.
The Jose Canseco A's answer was bad answer but looking at it not nearly as bad as it seemed initially- while the A's are a historical franchise with lots of legendary players they've always had a thing about getting rid of their best players early due to finances (I guess that is how you move three times). While guys like Al Simmons and Rickey Henderson would both be much better choices for A's outfielders they are still much further down the list than you would think for, again, a historical franchise for the A's.
Should’ve went an all old guys draft, Wagner, Cobb, Anson, Lajoie isn’t even bad
fun fact. my pops went to high school with mike piazza. phoenixville high school an hr outside philly
Thats a sweet hat Shelfy
A WAR draft and stolen base draft would be awesome. Super weird would be manager wins also
No Hank Aaron or Jackie Robinson 😭😂
Combine jolly and Shelfy against Jake next time since both of them get decimated every episode.
Team Jolly will this be the day he finally wins? please be so
Team Jolly today was not the day, I dont know how much more I can keep this up
Do a video on Micheal Young, been waiting on someone to do a video for him
Give us a stolen bases draft
How does Ty Cobb not go 1:1…he wasn’t even picked. WTF?!? I’m screaming at the TV
Shelfy is right. Posada did miss the tag 🤷🏻♂️
Hits is so much better than Avg. because some guys could be 1/2 and have a .500 avg, but if you make in only qualified hitters, people like Corey Seager wouldnt count even thought he played most of the season
But Seager did qualify for the batting title last season. He had 536 PA last season. The qualifying mark is 502 PA.
@@carlwilliams9642 Oh mb i thought he had less but you get my point
Same format but all pre 1970 players. These kids sometimes need a history lesson. 😂
Mike Trout? Good lord man.
to disrespect anyone from baseball before these 2k children is wrong beyond belief
How could you not get Edgar! 18 years as a Mariner DH with a career .312 BA. Absolute monster.
Ty cobb not going 1st round let alone 1:1 is baffling
Ty Cobb? Cmon fellas
Me, as this video starts: "okay, Ty Cobb has to be an easy 1.01, right?"