Nah, it's just like the homer drafts--you can slot them into that position if that was where they were the majority of the time. Smoltz was a starter who saw some time as reliever. You get credit for all Ks a pitcher had with the team. Whether they are a starter or reliever in the rotation depends on where they spent the most time.
I'd love to see a 9-man roster draft of lowest WAR. Basically, the worst value lineup would win. This would call on a different branch of overall baseball stat knowledge. Also, Jolly, you are a handsome man and I find the overall value of any JM video goes up whenever you're present. Keep being awesome, sir!
Got an idea to keep the home run/strikeout draft going. Before every episode, you pick a team for each person (maybe by a wheel spin, so it’s random) and they have to build a lineup/rotation with players from that team in a specific year. Basically like how you’ve been doing the drafts, but with teams
This is interesting because there's plenty of all time greats with a lot of strikeouts, but most of them played for multiple teams and so didn't compile an insane amount with just 1 team. Randy Johnson in his 10 years with Seattle and 8 years with Arizona has fewer strikeouts with each than Sandy Koufax in his 12 years all with the Dodgers despite Randy having a larger K/9
I "amidditley" don't know shit about baseball pre 2000. I thought that was a great pick lol. Why is every highlight of nolan ryan I've seen he's in a rangers jersey!?
@@MC-bh3ff There were not a lot of postseason highlights during his time with the Angels and Astros. Also because there is not a lot of 70-80s footage
Editing note: please leave the graphic of the scorecards up on the screen for longer. I know we were kinda trying to wait for the big reveal at the end but it’s fun to at least kinda try to figure out the math on the fly. Maybe just flash it on the screen for like 2 more seconds each time.
Only issue I see with this format is that it feels like the relievers might end up being pretty inconsequential considering how few actually stay with teams for extended periods of time. Otherwise, good fun!
I think people always associate Nolar Ryan with the Astros and Rangers because she’s he’s from Texas but some of his greatest years were in an Angels uniform
There is a clear correlation between the age of a drafter’s earliest player and their standing. Dalton clinched it with the two earliest players selected while Jolly couldn’t get a name out earlier than the 90s that wasn’t a Met.
Fun fact Walter Johnson had a Twins MLB 9 Innings card with the Twins that has since been removed. There have been two Senators franchises, one became the Twins, one did become the Rangers
Are the strikeout numbers for John Smoltz listed including his time as a closer or just from when he was a starter? Shouldn’t have his RP strikeouts count when there’s a RP category.
@@theJHeykidit’s consistent with the rest of the series jolly been gettin lazy on the intros assumin everyone knows how the games work now lol. I get how tht could be confusing.
The Walter Johnson pick is not controversial. After the Senators moved to Minnesota another Washington Senators team was created a few years later and moved again after like 10 years to Texas.
I wouldn't have picked Nolan Ryan because I wouldn't have known which of his teams, if any, would put him into solid starter territory. Also, I thought Dave Stieb would've been a lot higher than Roy Halladay, but he clears him by only 163 strikeouts across their respective Blue Jays careers. And no Joe Nathan Twins pick? C'mon guys, it's only 561 strikeouts but still.
my picks: nolan ryan cal angels 2416 Steve Carlton Phillies 3031 Rodger Cleamens BO Red Sox 2590 Mariano Rivera Yankess 1173 Trevor hoffman padres 1029 Greg Maddux Braves 1945 Kenley Janson Dodgers 1022 Total 12033
i have an idea that might be kinda dumb but it’s the anti-strikeout draft. pretty much just trying to draft pitchers who pitched the most and barely struck guys out. so innings pitched minus strikeouts, and whoever ends with the highest number wins
Doesn’t really matter, but Rollie fingers was a brewer to end his career not a padres, he was there before. He won Cy young mvp and made the WS with them in 82
John Hiller? Who whaT? Me: Goes to his BR page.... 125 saves, but 545 games, 1242 innings, so only a 7.5 K/9 but with same team for 15 years. I don't think anyone but Lucas guesses him in a million years.
I'm very glad they were prepared for the Walter Johnson pick because I was about to yell in the comments that the old Washington team became the Twins, not the Rangers. Edit: Wait why was Dalton allowed to take Craig Kimbrel for the Braves when Smoltz was already taken?
So you guys just forgot about not duplicating teams as part of the rules? Kenley Jansen of the Dodgers picked after Clayton Kershaw already off the board. Kimbrel of the Braves after Smoltz off the board. Sutter of the Cards after Bob Gibson already off the board. Follow the rules ya cheaters!
The Washington Senators existed twice, the first time they existed they became the Twins, and the second time they existed they became the Rangers
Was looking for this. That’s why the twins have 3 WS in their history, the two they won in MN (87&91) and the inherited from Wash in 1924
And the Senators that Walter Johnson was on became the Twins
This trio is my favorite on the drafts
Jolly got a little bit of a steal there with Smoltz since they counted the K's he had while as the Braves closer, not just his K's as a starter.
He would’ve had more if he was starting and not relieving tho
@@maxeddie1789 we know that. But if he's being classified as a starter, he should technically only receive the K's from when he was an actual starter.
@@Waldo2929could not agree more.
Nah, it's just like the homer drafts--you can slot them into that position if that was where they were the majority of the time. Smoltz was a starter who saw some time as reliever. You get credit for all Ks a pitcher had with the team. Whether they are a starter or reliever in the rotation depends on where they spent the most time.
@davidsorensen2116 so you would've been OK with him picking his as a reliever and getting the starting Ks counted for him?
an all time performance from dalton!!! only 3k away from the best possible lineup. his starting 5 were all stellar picks
I'd love to see a 9-man roster draft of lowest WAR. Basically, the worst value lineup would win. This would call on a different branch of overall baseball stat knowledge. Also, Jolly, you are a handsome man and I find the overall value of any JM video goes up whenever you're present. Keep being awesome, sir!
Bailey from Foolish Baseball would be great at this.
Catcher Mike Matheny, Cards
Shortstop Steve Jeltz, Phils
I'm sure there are other good ones but those came to mind right away
I am so proud of Dalton for picking Walter Johnson
He was born in the town im from in Kansas
A WAR draft for stat nerds like me would be cool.
Ted Williams top pick, he had 2 wars
@@BendyDH LMAO this comment is gold
@@BendyDHsecond pick I got Joe DiMaggio
Got an idea to keep the home run/strikeout draft going. Before every episode, you pick a team for each person (maybe by a wheel spin, so it’s random) and they have to build a lineup/rotation with players from that team in a specific year. Basically like how you’ve been doing the drafts, but with teams
Ryan is a breathe of fresh air. Love his vibes
This is interesting because there's plenty of all time greats with a lot of strikeouts, but most of them played for multiple teams and so didn't compile an insane amount with just 1 team. Randy Johnson in his 10 years with Seattle and 8 years with Arizona has fewer strikeouts with each than Sandy Koufax in his 12 years all with the Dodgers despite Randy having a larger K/9
Damn Jolly thought you were also a pre-2000s ball knower but thinking Nolan Ryan played a lot with the Rangers is TOUGH
I "amidditley" don't know shit about baseball pre 2000. I thought that was a great pick lol. Why is every highlight of nolan ryan I've seen he's in a rangers jersey!?
@@MC-bh3ff There were not a lot of postseason highlights during his time with the Angels and Astros. Also because there is not a lot of 70-80s footage
@@MC-bh3ff That spelling is wild
Jolly researches a lot but doesn’t know facts like Lucas does.
@@pwnmasteh admittedly? I don't give a fuck I had a couple last nightt
Editing note: please leave the graphic of the scorecards up on the screen for longer. I know we were kinda trying to wait for the big reveal at the end but it’s fun to at least kinda try to figure out the math on the fly. Maybe just flash it on the screen for like 2 more seconds each time.
I just hit pause
Clemens is 1 for Red Sox. Interestingly, second place is Tim Wakefield (RIP) with 2k+.
Very, very good video. Love how they mixed eras.
There were 2 versions of the Washington Senators, one to the Twins, one to the Rangers
I love this format
Would love to see hits next!!!
All time options are great. It really makes these guys do their homework
Only issue I see with this format is that it feels like the relievers might end up being pretty inconsequential considering how few actually stay with teams for extended periods of time. Otherwise, good fun!
this format was pretty dope
Taking multiple Braves, dodgers, and cardinals getting unnoticed by all of them is wild
Damn John Hiller pitched 150 innings as a reliever for the 1974 Tigers. Almost an inning per game
Pedro bounced around more than Clemens lol. Dodgers, Expos, Red Sox, Mets, Phillies
LOVE THIS FORMAT
Ik this is kinda dumb, but maybe y’all can do this, but with walks and whoever has the least amount of walks they win 🤷♂️
Hoping someone takes Old Hoss Radbourn
His most was for the Providence Steamrollers and it was only 1446 SOs. No idea how you'd count that against a team.
filming this and having it come out a month later is nuts
This is the way of the bulk recording. All the big UA-cam channels do it, allows you to actually have days off as a content creator
I think people always associate Nolar Ryan with the Astros and Rangers because she’s he’s from Texas but some of his greatest years were in an Angels uniform
I would love to see this format for home runs as well
Ryans look at the end 😂😂
There is a clear correlation between the age of a drafter’s earliest player and their standing. Dalton clinched it with the two earliest players selected while Jolly couldn’t get a name out earlier than the 90s that wasn’t a Met.
The Washington Senators had 2 different stints of existence right?
Yea the original Senators went to Minnesota in 1961 and got replaced immediately by the new Senators who went to Texas in 1972
Yeah they should have done better research
Correct, that is why the twins have 3 chips. The one the sens won in 1924, and there own two in 87 & 91
Bob Feller made me realize we need a WAR draft. The highest WAR draft of the players who were drafted into war
Would love a version with like OPS/ERA +
Fun fact Walter Johnson had a Twins MLB 9 Innings card with the Twins that has since been removed. There have been two Senators franchises, one became the Twins, one did become the Rangers
That 4 non blondes rendition was nice
Surprised they thought of Chapman and Kimbrel but not Jansen.
Does it bother anyone else that Jolly clearly has time to prepare for every single one of these videos?
Mets John Franco would have been a decent reliever one. He wasn't a huge strikeout guy but had 592 strikeouts for them.
Are the strikeout numbers for John Smoltz listed including his time as a closer or just from when he was a starter? Shouldn’t have his RP strikeouts count when there’s a RP category.
great video.
Y'all picked Cardinals twice, Braves twice and Dodgers twice
the one team per player rule counts separately for starters and relievers
@@Simba65315 that's not what the intro said. It makes it more interesting that way too
@@Simba65315That's also not what Jolly said when he said he was taking Yankees off the board with Mo.
They are bad at explaining. In the other videos, they never say they're picking since 2000 only. You just have go kinda go with it sometimes.
@@theJHeykidit’s consistent with the rest of the series jolly been gettin lazy on the intros assumin everyone knows how the games work now lol. I get how tht could be confusing.
desperately need some giants love in that office
The Walter Johnson pick is not controversial. After the Senators moved to Minnesota another Washington Senators team was created a few years later and moved again after like 10 years to Texas.
JM Baseball, Your videos always brighten my day, so I subscribed!
When you do these, everyone should get one "do over" or option to change one, but only at the very end. Would make it a lot more closer/interesting.
They were never gonna be picked when John Smoltz is in play for the Braves but I would've loved 30 seconds on Phil Niekro and Warren Spahn.
I wouldn't have picked Nolan Ryan because I wouldn't have known which of his teams, if any, would put him into solid starter territory. Also, I thought Dave Stieb would've been a lot higher than Roy Halladay, but he clears him by only 163 strikeouts across their respective Blue Jays careers. And no Joe Nathan Twins pick? C'mon guys, it's only 561 strikeouts but still.
The Washington Senators moved twice: to Minnesota in 1961 and after having a second team in Washington, moved to Texas in 1972.
I was screaming Dave stieb at my phone lmao forgotten strike out guy
Jollys Nolan Ryan pick didn't make me feel bad for saying Roy Halladay for Jays since he had 1495
No Kershaw is the Dodgers Strike out holder
Someone should have taken Jan Marichal. Easy 2000
I like the all time format
Koufax didn’t pitch long at all 3:55 his arm went dead. Don Sutton and drysdale had more kershaw is the all time leader
my picks:
nolan ryan cal angels 2416
Steve Carlton Phillies 3031
Rodger Cleamens BO Red Sox 2590
Mariano Rivera Yankess 1173
Trevor hoffman padres 1029
Greg Maddux Braves 1945
Kenley Janson Dodgers 1022
Total 12033
i have an idea that might be kinda dumb but it’s the anti-strikeout draft. pretty much just trying to draft pitchers who pitched the most and barely struck guys out. so innings pitched minus strikeouts, and whoever ends with the highest number wins
Could have done Dellin as a reliever that dude racked up K’s
Bro Nolan Ryan was like 50 when he went to the Rangers 😆
He's number 1 for the Angels and the Astros and Jolly picked Texas.
Marinara Riviera
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Nice background!
Do batting average drafts
Doesn’t really matter, but Rollie fingers was a brewer to end his career not a padres, he was there before. He won Cy young mvp and made the WS with them in 82
Yall should pick who made the best objective rotation and pen at the end of the video!
jolly takin halladay over stieb for the blue jays smh
John Hiller? Who whaT? Me: Goes to his BR page.... 125 saves, but 545 games, 1242 innings, so only a 7.5 K/9 but with same team for 15 years. I don't think anyone but Lucas guesses him in a million years.
There were two Washington Senators franchises. The first became the Twins, and the later Senators became the Rangers.
You guys always forget the storied franchise of the giants. Why is that? Mathewson with over 2,500 ks and Marichal with 2,300.
3000 is good. It’s getting more rare
Someone needs to tell Jolly that he's not gonna make up a 1,500-K gap with relievers
Could Smoltz have been used as a reliever?
Jim Thome!!!!
Jolly really thought he had a shot 😭
No New York baseball/ San Francisco baseball Giants?
“Chris” Christy Mathewson?????
Rollie also one a Cy young and in that year the mvp
love ya jolly
Ngl I’m actually mad no one picked Juan Marichal
Christy Mathewson for Giants?
Just to clear the water. The first Senators franchise is now the Twins. The Second Senators franchise is now the Rangers.
To be pedantic: the first Senators franchise folded. The second became the Twins, the third became the Rangers.
@@chrisw4120 Was the true first one prior to Walter Johnson?
I guess the rules were amended to allow for teams to be drafted again for relievers.
FYI John Smoltz was picked and then Dalton picked Kimbrel of the braves
Same with Kershaw and Jansen
How did they let Kimbrel through when Smoltz was already picked?
the one team per player rule counts separately for starters and relievers
Also with Kenley Jansen and Kershaw
How does no one say Sandy Koufax with dodgers or joe nathan with twins
Kershaw
Should have taken Clemens. You gave up 907 points.
I'm very glad they were prepared for the Walter Johnson pick because I was about to yell in the comments that the old Washington team became the Twins, not the Rangers.
Edit: Wait why was Dalton allowed to take Craig Kimbrel for the Braves when Smoltz was already taken?
Separate lists for starters and relievers.
SMOLTZ NUMBER 1 RELEIVER
I thought Warren Spahn/Braves would be a great pick, but he only had about 2500 strikeouts.
such dorks bro. wish there were better faces to market baseball.
I just yelled Fergie Jenkins for about 13 minutes straight
He only had 2038 for the Cubs
Do this but with hits and stolen bases
Nobody said Adam wainwright, Cardinals. I feel like he’s better than some of those options!
Man, I would have tried to cheat and pick Smoltz as a reliever.....
10:30 isn’t that breaking the rules?
WAR DRAFT
Ty Cobb cy young
Everyday Eddie Guardado had 610 as a Twin!
You guys should do a stolen base draft after the strikeouts are done
Andy Petite got 2K, jolly 🤦🏻♂️
Clemens was a much better pick for the Red Sox..more than double than Pedro.He lost on that pick alone.
So you guys just forgot about not duplicating teams as part of the rules? Kenley Jansen of the Dodgers picked after Clayton Kershaw already off the board. Kimbrel of the Braves after Smoltz off the board. Sutter of the Cards after Bob Gibson already off the board. Follow the rules ya cheaters!