Here's the last of the sources/links I wanted to put in the description. They really need to up the character limit. www.slashfilm.com/1212470/raiders-of-the-lost-arks-flying-wing-nearly-shattered-harrison-fords-knee/ - article about the Raiders of the Lost Ark injury www.eurogamer.net/original-developer-of-tomb-raider-tried-to-salvage-cancelled-10th-anniversary-edition-with-indiana-jones-and-national-treasure-pitches - article about the Core Design Indiana Jones pitch ua-cam.com/video/QcPAjstFLzw/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/6awi1NttDDs/v-deo.html - gameplay of the Greatest Adventures Sega Genesis port trouble.city/articles/2020/6/4/script-review-indiana-jones-and-the-monkey-god & www.eightieskids.com/indiana-jones-and-the-monkey-king-the-sequel-too-mad-to-get-made/ & web.archive.org/web/20080808115736/www.empireonline.com/indy/day10/ - articles about the Monkey King web.archive.org/web/20180918193641/www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/07/factor_5_almost_ported_super_castlevania_iv_to_the_sega_mega_drive - article about the Greatest Adventures port bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3457215/indiana-jones-supernatural-horror-movie-almost/ - article about the haunted house Indiana Jones film web.archive.org/web/20211029175239/www.videogamer.com/news/lucasarts-still-hope-for-next-gen-indy-game/ & www.fanbyte.com/legacy/whatever-happened-to-indiana-jones-and-the-staff-of-kings & web.archive.org/web/20211028180643/www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/keeping-up-with-the-joneses/ & & filmstories.co.uk/features/the-story-of-the-cancelled-indiana-jones-and-the-staff-of-kings/ & www.unseen64.net/2009/08/04/indiana-jones-and-the-staff-of-kings-xbox-360-ps3-cancelled/ - articles about Staff of Kings ua-cam.com/video/w8w3EjXn52E/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/MSDFgm7wSys/v-deo.html - gameplay of the original Staff of Kings screenrant.com/indiana-jones-dial-destiny-movie-alternative-ending-james-mangold-response/ - article about the original Dial of Destiny ending www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna24788840 & web.archive.org/web/20080527004748/orenburg.kp.ru/daily/24103/329446/ - articles about the Russian Crystal Skull ban www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/listing.asp?ID=3&T1=Questions+about+Aborted+Storylines#65 - info on The Sentinel ua-cam.com/video/mbCaE1Czv88/v-deo.html - source of the Giant Snake clip ua-cam.com/video/-0hHiY81W-s/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/5ZDoimvRXm8/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/arthH4rsXeQ/v-deo.html - Noiselandco's playthrough of the Young Indiana Jones DVD games screenrant.com/indiana-jones-unmade-cancelled-movies-reasons-explained/ - article about cancelled Indiana Jones films web.archive.org/web/20090921114904/www.starwars.com/community/news/films/f20080407/index.html?page=3 & www.indyfan.com/articles/yijchb.html - articles about Young Indiana Jones Season 3 ua-cam.com/video/2Km2uQEyka8/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/mnN0tK2-fJ0/v-deo.htmlsi=IcggyOQnLPrAiJxg&t=245 - Infernal Machine easter eggs web.archive.org/web/20120308181915/moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/04/07/shia-gets-injured-on-indy-4-gears-up-for-transformers-2/ - article about Shia LaBeouf's injury scriptshadow.net/indiana-jones-and-the-city-of-the-gods-darabont-draft-2/ & screencrush.com/frank-darabont-indiana-jones-script/ - articles about City of the Gods raven.theraider.net/threads/unfilmed-episodes-of-young-indy.8458/page-4#post-458592 - post about Berlin, Late August 1916 ua-cam.com/video/g8BXMIXvwJ8/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/IQUzSz7LbOM/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/goIJIrlLzBA/v-deo.html - cut LEGO Star Wars level trouble.city/articles/2020/7/23/script-review-indiana-jones-and-the-saucer-men-from-mars & scriptshadow.net/screenplay-review-indiana-jones-and-the-saucer-men-from-mars/ - articles about the Saucermen from Mars screenrant.com/indiana-jones-paul-freeman-belloq-fly-eat-explained/ - article about Belloq eating a fly theindycast.com/you-lost-today-episode-146-but-that-doesnt-mean-you-have-to-like-it/ - Indycast episode mentioning the Batman crossover web.archive.org/web/20000127011936/www.checkout.com/games/nn/article/0%2C6712%2C1746754%2C00.html - interview mentioning the Infernal Machine multiplayer www.hollywoodreporter.com/feature/harrison-ford-interview-shrinking-indy-5-1923-1235318736/ & ua-cam.com/video/NmNZSzUIK-U/v-deo.htmlsi=322qagZ3qgnUxEE3&t=101 - Harrison Ford discussing his age in DOD moedred.livejournal.com/10313.html - blog going over Jeffrey Boam and Menno Meyjes' Indy 3 scripts ua-cam.com/video/qupOwyYxjyM/v-deo.html - test footage for Iron Phoenix web.archive.org/web/20071011135930/scifi.com/sfw/interviews/sfw8748.html & www.empireonline.com/movies/news/spielberg-recruits-indy-sequel/ - articles about Shyamalan's Indy 4 web.archive.org/web/20091204081828/www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/01/conan-obrien-gets-lego-fied.aspx - article about Conan in LEGO Indy variety.com/2022/tv/news/indiana-jones-series-disney-plus-1235416179/ & comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/lucasfilm-indiana-jones-spinoff-series-disney-plus-canceled/ - articles about the Disney+ series variety.com/2023/film/news/indiana-jones-5-james-mangold-harrison-ford-1235650894/ - article mentioning a Helena Shaw film github.com/Jones3D-The-Infernal-Engine/Unreleased-level-Shambala-Waterworks?tab=readme-ov-file - article about Shambala Waterworks www.theraider.net/features/interviews/hal_barwood.php & web.archive.org/web/20070808174942/www.adventure-treff.de/artikel/interviews.php?id=49&lang=eng - Hal Barwood interviews about Spear of Destiny www.eurogamer.net/belloq-from-indiana-jones-interview?page=2 - Paul Freeman interview where he mentions Belloq returning web.archive.org/web/20201020123825/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/indiana-jones-5-steven-spielberg-quit-director-harrison-ford-release-date-trailer-b740989.html & web.archive.org/web/20230711180908/www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-ending-1235528734/ & web.archive.org/web/20210604015926/www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/david-koepp-you-should-have-left-exiting-indiana-jones-5-1299412/ & web.archive.org/web/20210604002211/www.pressreader.com/australia/empire-australasia/20160801/281535110286058 & web.archive.org/web/20161026070417/collider.com/indiana-jones-5-george-lucas-david-koepp/ & web.archive.org/web/20210604015925/www.ign.com/articles/spielbergs-indiana-jones-5-fell-apart-because-no-one-could-agree-on-the-script - articles about Spielberg's Indiana Jones 5 www.polygon.com/2015/8/3/9089181/indiana-jones-abusive-creep - article about the Indiana Jones 15 year old Marion issue moedred.livejournal.com/2009/03/04/ - meeting between Lucas, Spielberg and Kasdan about Raiders of the Lost Ark in 1978
If you ever want to make another Aliens Iceberg, I highly recommend the 1970’s Aveley Abduction. It didn’t have any Greys, instead it had these tall, pale, almost translucent Aliens who were wearing Surgery suits and had glowing Pink eyes. They also had these creepy Wookie-looking short aliens acting as their apprentices. The tall aliens were very talkative and gave the kidnapped couple a tour of their ship and explanation for everything onboard. They said strange things that basically implied they were Humanitys Ancestor-Species. The abduction culminated with the couple being shown a hologram of their Homeworld, which they had killed due to pollution, causing them to come to the Solar System and live on Earth underground. They told the Couple they would “meet again”
I've amazed this are the kind of icebergs videos I love. I didn't know a thing, so I watched the video and it yooked me to watch the movies, then saw all the movies and then watch thr iceberg again this time knowing all
FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME ABOUT THE NUKE FRIDGE! Yes it's stupid and yes you can make fun of it, but don't tell me that it's the "jumping the shark moment". The shark was jumped the moment he ran away from a massive bolder in the first film!
I don't know why everyone hates that movie.I love it for the longest time.I thought the temple of doom sucked but I just hated Willie. Well, I guess to the toxic fan boys and the general public.It's no longer the "worst" thanks Mangold!
@@nicwinsteadart5330 watch the Mr.Plinkett review on it. Explains perfectly whats wrong with the movie. basically the first half is real good with some minor flaws. Then there's a tipping point, about when they get to the jungle, it compounds into a cgi nightmare with no stakes.
@@j3tch1ck3n8 the documentary The Death of Superman lives goes into it and I highly recommend it but after the Reeves movies they wanted a Superman for the 90s (Nicholas cage in screen tests to play him) and many of the scripts for the movie eventually titled Superman lives involved him fighting a thanagarian snare best aka a giant spider. If I recall the script writer or director also would later go into wild Wild West where the climax also involves a giant spider for no reason at all
I thrive off of these icebergs. I'm like a parasitic infection to them, always sucking nutrients out from these videos and I'm never going to be shaken off of this channel.
I always thought the temple of doom dinner scene was supposed to be a contrast to the villagers from earlier in the movie. The excess of the palace and their hostility contrasts how the villagers are kind and despite having no food choose to feed Indy and Short Round. The palace is evil hand having a curse is why they are eating snakes and insects while the food given by the villagers was vegetables more in line with typical Indian food. There is a deleted scene in the script where Indy is suspicious after dinner scene saying to Short Round something like Hindus consider life sacred and makes you wonder what’s really going on here.
I pray to Shiva that the game is really good and gets people talking about Indy again. Even though I liked Indy 5, there wasn't anyone in the theater under the age of 40 apart from myself so it'd be great if it had a big resurgence with Gen Z
Yeah that’s one of the reasons why it bombed imo. Disney hasn’t done anything with Indy besides let Fortnite use him in the 12 years they’ve owned the IP. Gen Z barely know Indy exists. They probably know him more from parodies and references then the actual films. A shame because an animated Indiana Jones series would go so hard
@Pigpen_YT I fully agree, if a piece of media is good enough, word of mouth will prevail. Unrelated but have you seen the animated short by Patrick Schoenmaker? Legit one of the coolest fanimations I've seen
I had the same feeling. I'm a early gen z, and I know lots of people who played the Lego game and it has a nostalgic feeling to them as adults now. But none of them barely watched the movies, to say the least. I've been a huge Indy fan ever since I was a toddler, my first Lego set was Indy themed. Big obsession, knowing the soundtrack, knowing the characters, the actors, and basically being the only friend with this love for the franchise. Lol.
I remember playing the Lego Indiana Jones games. An interesting change is like that every villian sorta get what they want? They get supernatural powers from the artifact of their movie and are fought as a boss fight. The British guy from The Ark of the Covenant gets transformed into a strange Angel thing The Cult Leader in Temple of Doom animates his Idol into a moving lava-golem show in the movie. The other evil British guy who drinks from the wrong Cup in Last Crusade gets Whirlwind powers? Might be related to time or something. In Crystal Skull, the Crystal Skeleton that the scary Russian Lady who puts its skull back gets her Psychic powers strengthened from it.
Out of everyone they ever introduced to try and succeed indiana jones, I agree short round would have been the best if they ever brought him back at some point
Racist? No, because I don't think either Spielberg or Lucas is "racist", but Temple of Doom is definitely very 80's Hollywood...and not the most "culturally sensitive. As someone who was in elementary school at the time...Temple of Doom was pretty much my introduction Hong Kong and India.
@@ryanharris2113If it wasn’t an issue in his generation it doesn’t matter. So tired of you soyboys who need to judge everything based on your modern day flimsy morality you pretend to have. Go talk to a girl you fruit.
The knight in last crusade literally says "the grail cannot pass beyond the great seal, that is the boundary and the price of immortality" Considering Elsa crossed the seal and then everyone else escaped...there's no more grail immortality
Oddly enough, there's a bit of precedent to the "hiding in a lead lined fridge while the bombs are dropping" idea. A movie called "Ladybug Ladybug" from 1963 shows a little girl do the same thing. Granted, you don't know if she survived or not still...if I had a nickel....lol.
I´m glad you keep posting icebergs, i love yours because you put so much effort in researching all these obscure subjects. You deserve all the break you need, burning out is awful.
Started watching this video and realized I didn't get half of the stuff you were saying (never watched Indiana Jones), so I watched all of the movies just for the occasion. Thank you for your hard work!!
@@Yickerd I really like Raiders, the themes and the overall feeling of the movie felt really intriguing. Also liked the Last Crusade because of the theme of "letting go" at the end
A quick edit for ya: Indy doesn’t really get absorbed by the French military, but instead forges forms from both Belgian and French officials to get himself and his friends Remy transferred to the French army. The young Indy series is definitely worth a watch for anyone interested! Great video btw
Also if they really want to make Indy somewhat of a bad dude, they could’ve just had him selling valuable artifacts to shady individuals in his younger years then making him do a EDP.🐱
Hopefully iceberg videos will never die. I know the trend is over four years old, but a good iceberg chart video is really enjoyable, as well as informative and often quite eerie.
honestly this got to be one of your absolute best iceberg. as someone who grew up with theses films but also hasn't watch them in a long time so i'm a bit of out of it with the series, it was really interesting to learn so much goddamn weird stuff there is with this series,. seriously this video made me realize how wack this series actually is. also surprise in the fortnite section i'm a little surprised how you didn't mention that in one POI on the map ( forgot witch one ) there was puzzle in the area where you had to find some symbols in the area to make a pattern to upen a secret area with loot, and hen you go in a boulder falls ( JUST LIKE THE MOVIE ) and you got to outrun it, i actually remember getting killed by the boulder a couple times and getting really annoyed cause solving the puzzle can be real annoying since unless you done it a million times you'll have no clue what order the symbols go in even if you find them all since it changes every game so i had to had to keep troubleshooting it tell i get it right.
Hey the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Movie wasn’t that bad. It was ridiculous but I’d rather see that revived as an MCU attempt than the Dark Universe.
@@tonybrewer7536 are the Extraordinary Gentleman characters public domain too? I know the “League of Extraordinary Gentleman” is Trademarked, but are the individual characters?
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Quartemain, Dorian, Nemo, Mina, Sawyer, Moriarty, Jekyll/Hyde. All public domain. The invisible man is tricky. The novel version is PD. The film version is copyright. BUT, you cannot use the novel version in a film because film rights and novel rights are different. That's why they invented Skinner for the film. Anyone can make a movie about an invisible man, it just cannot have the character name from the novel. Anyone can also use the novel character, name and all, in a writing project. I hope that was not confusing, but feel free to ask for any clarification.
@@tonybrewer7536 yes! Thank you for your info. I’m actually really interested in this. I hope to make an animated short, and later a tv show using the bones of these attempts at cinematic universes, with my own style of course. The only problem is that im trying to reconcile the two different settings into one. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (which is not what im calling my team) takes place before WW1, and fits there best, while the Dark Universe was supposed to take place in the Modern World and I think it fits there best as well, as the idea of ancient monsters slowing emerging into our world feels intriguing. I’m currently considering either time travel, and the (different name for league) travels forward and back in time to help their time period and our own, as they can’t beat the monsters, only slow them, and the modern world is their resurfacing.
I just want to say your videos are a godsend to me since I often have them I nthe background at work while I'm busy and they are very well done and well informed
Just want to let you know that these icebergs make my day. I sometimes have trouble sleeping and listening to iceberg videos, including yours, helps me to get to sleep. Will definitely be returning to this one several times over so I can absorb all of it, as I do with all your videos, haha. Keep up the great work man, love what you do.
I just look past the questionable makeup just so we can have Indy have another awesome fight with Pat Roach. The idea of him being a brainwashed British soldier does sound like a decent theory.
@@chase3548 I literally thought my entire life that it was an Indian man just covered in dirt and soot and debris from being in a mine. I didn’t even know it was a white man until I watched this iceberg video LMAO.
I heard online that the fridge scene was actually taken from early drafts of back to the future, and Steven Spielberg just had it in the back of his mind without anything to use it on for so long so he decided to throw it into Indiana Jones when the opportunity presented itself.
Idk if it's enough content for it but u should do a Blade runner 1 and 2044 iceberg 👌🏾. And love the content btw ur videos aren't boring or corny keep going 💯
13:00 FUCKING THANK YOU. I’ve been defending the nuke the fridge scene since opening day. I just don’t understand what the fans think they’re watching anymore. None of these movies have been grounded in reality and maybe it’s the big time jump between TLC and KotCS that May everyone suddenly forget that these movies have been laced with outlandish fantasy from the beginning.
31:02 I'm going to be completely honest, the 4 main points of racism that you brought up as examples of points people have said ToD being racist (besides the Blackface point) aren't that racist in my honest opinion, and I know you didn't brought them up yourself, just listing them out as examples. The first point of ToD being racist is it depicting Blackface. And while yes, it is in fact racist, but however, it's something that could have been allowed into the movie, let me explain. Yes, it isn't exactly politically correct, but there were some norms back then which are now seen as pretty racist but we're seen as either moderately racist or comedic banter by a lot of people at the time still. The 1980s wasn't the most ideal standard of what is considered to be an anti-racist society, as yes, the 1980s certainly weren't the 1910-30s, but they aren't current standards, meaning that some of the norms back then that we see as slightly racist/bigoted back then were still around. So I would say that it was a product of its time, as during the time of the movie's release, the Civil Rights Act was barely 15 years old and the Black Panthers were still a major group within US politics, modern anti-racist/bigotry laws were still in there infancy. As while it wasn't the 1910-30s, it definitely isn't the current standards. TL;DR: The Blackface was definitely racist by current standards, but was somewhat considered normal during the 1980s due to anti-racist/bigotry laws still taking a hold within society during the 80s, so I would give a pass to a certain extent. The second (Indiana Jones being a White Savior) and fourth (Indiana Jones being pro-British Empire propaganda) points of ToD being racist are literal reaches lmao. As they don't even feel like pointing out legitimate racism and are just grasping straws to justify a political narrative. The Indiana Jones being a White Savior makes no sense, as that's not what a White Savior is. A White Savior is a White person that is entirely integrated in a non-White society that is the protagonist that saves non-White people. Indiana Jones isn't that at all in ToD and is mostly an foreign explorer from a White country that is there for his own personal goals, not there to save non-White people. Also, the movie was made in a White majority country, of course a White person would play the main character due to the population being predominantly White. ToD being pro-British Empire propaganda makes no sense either, as the people who use that argument seem to falsely equate a support group saving the protagonist group from the antagonist group with the British attempting to civilize the Indians, as that wasn't the intention of the British troops in ToD. If they were going to make that kind of movie, they would have made it like that. Also, Captain Blumburtt saying that Britain should rule the world isn't an indication of pro-British Empire propaganda, as there's a massive difference between mentioning something versus endorsing something. Mentioning something for the sake of fitting the historical setting isn't necessarily propaganda while endorsing something is one form of propaganda, as if it was actually endorsing pro-British Empire propaganda, then it would've done so both explicitly and inexplicitly. TL;DR: Indiana Jones being a White Savior or ToD being pro-British Empire propaganda are terrible arguments are terrible arguments to prove that ToD is racist that not only get the definitions they use wrong, but also just unnecessarily overanalyze the movie to justify a political narrative. The third point of ToD being racist is the Indian dinner scene. While you can argue that it appears to be not exactly politically correct, I wouldn't personally say that it's racist towards non-White people. As you described the counter-argument to that talking-point (a poorly acted/scripted joke) pretty well, so I don't really need to thoroughly describe why it's not racist in my opinion. Overall, I can totally understand why people would call ToD a racist film, as it definitely has a lot of issues and hasn't aged well both in terms of writing and depiction of non-White people, as a movie styled and written like this would definitely not be made today. But however, besides the Blackface thing, none of the points you mentioned as examples of points people have said ToD being racist aren't that racist in my honest opinion, as they either take things out of context or over exaggerate them. As yes, it isn't exactly politically correct, but there are far worse movies that are leagues more racist than ToD that should be talked about more than ToD in my opinion. And like I said earlier, I know you didn't brought them up yourself, just listing them out as examples for the video.
I mostly agree however I think your points on Blackface as well as the dinner scene do less to suggest the film ISN'T racist, and more to explain that it wasn't INTENDED to be. Blackface, no matter when it happened, is racist. And the dinner scene, regardless of intent, is racist. The British Empire thing I do agree with you on. There's plenty of historical context to suggest that the way in which they act in the movie is spot on, even if the way they act is wrong. But, again, even if they did not intend to be racist, they were. Making up a white actor to be a different race, is racist. Portraying Indian cuisine as bugs and brains, is racist. And that doesn't make Temple of Doom a bad film but, again, it does, in some ways, make it a racist film. We're at the point where we know, unless you're an idiot which you clearly are not, that those things are bad, so I think it's fine to watch and appreciate the film while still acknowledging those things.
@@BrickMania2 I think the thing you're looking for is that they had a good premise but bad execution and didn't execute it a way that make it appropriate with , which caused some people to claim that they're racist. As if the intention isn't racist, then it isn't racist, as it's quite difficult to justify racism when they didn't have an intention to do so, as it just comes off an assumption for a political narrative. It's more rather that they have good premise but bad execution and had a lack of forethought about it in my opinion. They could have easily made those scenes appropriate without coming off as racist to some people. You can have Indian people have a dinner scene eating insects and monkey brains without it being racist, as if the context was them being insane lunatics that was done to showcase how they devolved into being insane, then that's not racist. It's just that they bad bad execution and wasn't exactly appropriate. Not to mention that it makes sense why they would eat insects and monkey brains, as those are the animals in India, so it makes sense why they would eat that as a way to express the cult's depravity. As for the Blackface, yeah I can't justify that, it is racist, but like I said, it was during a time where Civil Rights laws and anti-racist/bigot sentiment were in their infancy in the US, so some people didn't have a concrete anti-racist/bigot views back then, so some stuff like Blackface was somewhat normalized in some instances in the 1970-80s, so it gets a pass to a certain extent. All in all, the racism accusations besides the Blackface tend to neglect the fact that it's either out of context or neglect the fact that it's mostly good premise but bad execution that isn't exactly appropriate. That, and combined with the fact that the movie has poorly aged and you get an disaster waiting to happen.
@@BrickMania2""Portraying Indian cuisine as bugs and brains, is racist" i never understood this point. They show those poor village people eat normal food, and only the evil cultists are portrayed as eating disgusting stuff. Even as a little kid i never thought this is what Indians /non-whites eat, its disgusting food those specific people eat because they are the villains of the story.
I find it funny that you talk about how people say how it's bad that they got saved by the British colonizers. Then shortly after you mention Joseph Joestar. Who got saved by world War 2 Germans.
@@Pigpen_YT I was just making an observation. I wasn't saying anything about you. I just thought "funny how he brought being saved bad group of people. And then brought something a character that had the thing happen." When I first heard the point about the colonizers immediately made me think of the thing with the classic German soldiers. Sorry if I came off bad. I might just delete the comment.
A fun little iceberg entry regarding the music: there’s evidence that John Williams wrote a concert version of the new Naz- err, Axis Powers themes in Dial of Destiny and then largely scrapped it. The only evidence is that there are two spots of the soundtrack where pieces of it were edited in. The brass fanfare at the start of the Axis Power themes in the end credits (Prologue on the OST) appears to be the opening, while the final 30 seconds or so of “Voller’s Return” is the closing. The rest of the piece is unheard. We know this because of the public cue sheet database for the movie listing a unique cue titled “N*zis” in those spots and only those spots. There’s a forum post that goes into more detail about it, but that’s the gist of it.
Fun facts UA-cam won't let me time stamp this video for some reason in My Little Pony there's actually a character called daring do who's a protagonist of the book series that's actually based on her real life in Friendship Is Magic
For the WWI thing, it would’ve made more sense for Indiana to join the French or British military as they made up the Somme. It’s cool that he fought in WWI, I never knew that, although it is historically inaccurate. And most of the temple of doom “racist” scenes don’t seem racist to me (except for of course the black face).
Really well done dude actually damn. I like listening to these at work. Weirdly you're most educational one imo. I now can give some credit to Dial of Destiny, it didn't have the stupidest story of Indy, and things could've been a lot worse lol. Can't believe how many I sane ideas Speilberg and Lucas were coming up with and almost did. I'm not the biggest Indy fan but hearing a lot of these were interesting. Thanks
Now that I think of it, John Hurt playing Marion's father in Kingsom of the Crystal Skull would've been a idea. The Oxley character was new and wasn't in the previous films so Mutt being raised by his maternal grandfather and going to Indiana Jones to find him would've fit the story.
Hey thanks for letting me think about anything other than the current state of the United States future. These icebergs have been very grounding for me. I was saving this one as Indiana Jones is one of my favorite movies characters. Thank you for putting so much effort into every video I hope you get some great rest.
The entry about racism in Temple of Doom doesn't make sense to me. 1. I always figured that the makeup on the slave driver's face was meant to represent heavy buildup of dirt and dust. Since he works down in the mines all the time, this aesthetic would make sense. It doesn't even cover his whole face, nor is it dark enough for me personally to consider it blackface. Maybe blackface was the intent of the makeup department for this movie and I just didn't know, but I digress. 2. Okay, so are white people just never allowed to be depicted as saving non-white people? 3. Not only does this scene show the weirdness of the Thuggees, but also serves to exploit Willie's general xenophobia as a source of comic relief even more given how much it focuses on her reactions to the "food". I agree, zero stereotyped jabs at Indians as a whole here. 4. This one kind of makes sense, given how brutal Britain was to India during their occupation of it. But I feel like its only offensive to those who are familiar with that portion of world history. If the film is viewed on its own, then its just a character performing a rescue scene at the end.
The video was great and you did a fantastic job narrating and researching! My only gripe is to me (An Australian), I get confused with how you end sentences on a high note (if that makes sense) with your voice, which makes it seem like a question. Is that subconscious? Not a personal shot at you or your narrating skills, just confusing me a bit haha
I’ve had many people tell me this and I honestly have no idea what they’re talking about. Whatever you’re hearing isn’t a conscious choice, this is just how I talk. No offense taken
@@Pigpen_YT Haha no worries then. I just mean like at the end of sentences usually the cadence of the voice goes down and or remains the same, whilst it goes up during questions.
Is it just me who never hated Crystal Skull? I watched it as a kid in theatres and had lots of fun. The aliens aren’t a heel-turn at the end of the movie, they establish them basically right at the start. The real thing holding Crystal Skull back was Harrison Fords age. He’s not that charming rougeish action movie hero from the 80’s anymore. Not to say he didn’t try. Plus, i think lots of people (like wendiGoon) have this strange bias towards the earlier films because they see Christianity as “real” and Aliens as “Not Real” Also how strange is it that the Indiana Jones World is a place where the Biblical god and magical artifacts, Hindu gods and magical artifacts, Ancient Aliens, and Time Travel all exist at the same time??
I'm genuinely shocked you didn't mention the myth that Indiana Jones is irrelevant to the plot of Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's a myth popularized by The Big Bang Theory and states that Indy played no part in the Nazis finding the Ark of the Covenant and they would always die if they found and opened it. Indiana Jones doesn't really contribute to the plot of the film.
Here's the last of the sources/links I wanted to put in the description. They really need to up the character limit.
www.slashfilm.com/1212470/raiders-of-the-lost-arks-flying-wing-nearly-shattered-harrison-fords-knee/ - article about the Raiders of the Lost Ark injury
www.eurogamer.net/original-developer-of-tomb-raider-tried-to-salvage-cancelled-10th-anniversary-edition-with-indiana-jones-and-national-treasure-pitches - article about the Core Design Indiana Jones pitch
ua-cam.com/video/QcPAjstFLzw/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/6awi1NttDDs/v-deo.html - gameplay of the Greatest Adventures Sega Genesis port
trouble.city/articles/2020/6/4/script-review-indiana-jones-and-the-monkey-god & www.eightieskids.com/indiana-jones-and-the-monkey-king-the-sequel-too-mad-to-get-made/ & web.archive.org/web/20080808115736/www.empireonline.com/indy/day10/ - articles about the Monkey King
web.archive.org/web/20180918193641/www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/07/factor_5_almost_ported_super_castlevania_iv_to_the_sega_mega_drive - article about the Greatest Adventures port
bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3457215/indiana-jones-supernatural-horror-movie-almost/ - article about the haunted house Indiana Jones film
web.archive.org/web/20211029175239/www.videogamer.com/news/lucasarts-still-hope-for-next-gen-indy-game/ & www.fanbyte.com/legacy/whatever-happened-to-indiana-jones-and-the-staff-of-kings & web.archive.org/web/20211028180643/www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/keeping-up-with-the-joneses/ & & filmstories.co.uk/features/the-story-of-the-cancelled-indiana-jones-and-the-staff-of-kings/ & www.unseen64.net/2009/08/04/indiana-jones-and-the-staff-of-kings-xbox-360-ps3-cancelled/ - articles about Staff of Kings
ua-cam.com/video/w8w3EjXn52E/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/MSDFgm7wSys/v-deo.html - gameplay of the original Staff of Kings
screenrant.com/indiana-jones-dial-destiny-movie-alternative-ending-james-mangold-response/ - article about the original Dial of Destiny ending
www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna24788840 & web.archive.org/web/20080527004748/orenburg.kp.ru/daily/24103/329446/ - articles about the Russian Crystal Skull ban
www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/listing.asp?ID=3&T1=Questions+about+Aborted+Storylines#65 - info on The Sentinel
ua-cam.com/video/mbCaE1Czv88/v-deo.html - source of the Giant Snake clip
ua-cam.com/video/-0hHiY81W-s/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/5ZDoimvRXm8/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/arthH4rsXeQ/v-deo.html - Noiselandco's playthrough of the Young Indiana Jones DVD games
screenrant.com/indiana-jones-unmade-cancelled-movies-reasons-explained/ - article about cancelled Indiana Jones films
web.archive.org/web/20090921114904/www.starwars.com/community/news/films/f20080407/index.html?page=3 & www.indyfan.com/articles/yijchb.html - articles about Young Indiana Jones Season 3
ua-cam.com/video/2Km2uQEyka8/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/mnN0tK2-fJ0/v-deo.htmlsi=IcggyOQnLPrAiJxg&t=245 - Infernal Machine easter eggs
web.archive.org/web/20120308181915/moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/04/07/shia-gets-injured-on-indy-4-gears-up-for-transformers-2/ - article about Shia LaBeouf's injury
scriptshadow.net/indiana-jones-and-the-city-of-the-gods-darabont-draft-2/ & screencrush.com/frank-darabont-indiana-jones-script/ - articles about City of the Gods
raven.theraider.net/threads/unfilmed-episodes-of-young-indy.8458/page-4#post-458592 - post about Berlin, Late August 1916
ua-cam.com/video/g8BXMIXvwJ8/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/IQUzSz7LbOM/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/goIJIrlLzBA/v-deo.html - cut LEGO Star Wars level
trouble.city/articles/2020/7/23/script-review-indiana-jones-and-the-saucer-men-from-mars & scriptshadow.net/screenplay-review-indiana-jones-and-the-saucer-men-from-mars/ - articles about the Saucermen from Mars
screenrant.com/indiana-jones-paul-freeman-belloq-fly-eat-explained/ - article about Belloq eating a fly
theindycast.com/you-lost-today-episode-146-but-that-doesnt-mean-you-have-to-like-it/ - Indycast episode mentioning the Batman crossover
web.archive.org/web/20000127011936/www.checkout.com/games/nn/article/0%2C6712%2C1746754%2C00.html - interview mentioning the Infernal Machine multiplayer
www.hollywoodreporter.com/feature/harrison-ford-interview-shrinking-indy-5-1923-1235318736/ & ua-cam.com/video/NmNZSzUIK-U/v-deo.htmlsi=322qagZ3qgnUxEE3&t=101 - Harrison Ford discussing his age in DOD
moedred.livejournal.com/10313.html - blog going over Jeffrey Boam and Menno Meyjes' Indy 3 scripts
ua-cam.com/video/qupOwyYxjyM/v-deo.html - test footage for Iron Phoenix
web.archive.org/web/20071011135930/scifi.com/sfw/interviews/sfw8748.html & www.empireonline.com/movies/news/spielberg-recruits-indy-sequel/ - articles about Shyamalan's Indy 4
web.archive.org/web/20091204081828/www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/01/conan-obrien-gets-lego-fied.aspx - article about Conan in LEGO Indy
variety.com/2022/tv/news/indiana-jones-series-disney-plus-1235416179/ & comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/lucasfilm-indiana-jones-spinoff-series-disney-plus-canceled/ - articles about the Disney+ series
variety.com/2023/film/news/indiana-jones-5-james-mangold-harrison-ford-1235650894/ - article mentioning a Helena Shaw film
github.com/Jones3D-The-Infernal-Engine/Unreleased-level-Shambala-Waterworks?tab=readme-ov-file - article about Shambala Waterworks
www.theraider.net/features/interviews/hal_barwood.php & web.archive.org/web/20070808174942/www.adventure-treff.de/artikel/interviews.php?id=49&lang=eng - Hal Barwood interviews about Spear of Destiny
www.eurogamer.net/belloq-from-indiana-jones-interview?page=2 - Paul Freeman interview where he mentions Belloq returning
web.archive.org/web/20201020123825/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/indiana-jones-5-steven-spielberg-quit-director-harrison-ford-release-date-trailer-b740989.html & web.archive.org/web/20230711180908/www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-ending-1235528734/ & web.archive.org/web/20210604015926/www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/david-koepp-you-should-have-left-exiting-indiana-jones-5-1299412/ & web.archive.org/web/20210604002211/www.pressreader.com/australia/empire-australasia/20160801/281535110286058 & web.archive.org/web/20161026070417/collider.com/indiana-jones-5-george-lucas-david-koepp/ & web.archive.org/web/20210604015925/www.ign.com/articles/spielbergs-indiana-jones-5-fell-apart-because-no-one-could-agree-on-the-script - articles about Spielberg's Indiana Jones 5
www.polygon.com/2015/8/3/9089181/indiana-jones-abusive-creep - article about the Indiana Jones 15 year old Marion issue
moedred.livejournal.com/2009/03/04/ - meeting between Lucas, Spielberg and Kasdan about Raiders of the Lost Ark in 1978
If you ever want to make another Aliens Iceberg, I highly recommend the 1970’s Aveley Abduction. It didn’t have any Greys, instead it had these tall, pale, almost translucent Aliens who were wearing Surgery suits and had glowing Pink eyes. They also had these creepy Wookie-looking short aliens acting as their apprentices. The tall aliens were very talkative and gave the kidnapped couple a tour of their ship and explanation for everything onboard.
They said strange things that basically implied they were Humanitys Ancestor-Species. The abduction culminated with the couple being shown a hologram of their Homeworld, which they had killed due to pollution, causing them to come to the Solar System and live on Earth underground. They told the Couple they would “meet again”
Fitting you uploaded this shortly after the unveiled the new Indy ride, coming to Animal Kingdom.
Wow! That's a lot of sources!
I've amazed this are the kind of icebergs videos I love. I didn't know a thing, so I watched the video and it yooked me to watch the movies, then saw all the movies and then watch thr iceberg again this time knowing all
I love how almost every script for the fourth film involves the fridge scene.
The fridge is inevitable
As ridiculous as the fridge scene might be, I love it and I'm glad it made the final cut.
the fridge is the key to all this
Canon event.
@@NdieCitywe’ve never had a character as funny as the fridge
FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME ABOUT THE NUKE FRIDGE! Yes it's stupid and yes you can make fun of it, but don't tell me that it's the "jumping the shark moment". The shark was jumped the moment he ran away from a massive bolder in the first film!
I don't know why everyone hates that movie.I love it for the longest time.I thought the temple of doom sucked but I just hated Willie.
Well, I guess to the toxic fan boys and the general public.It's no longer the "worst" thanks Mangold!
@@nicwinsteadart5330 watch the Mr.Plinkett review on it. Explains perfectly whats wrong with the movie. basically the first half is real good with some minor flaws. Then there's a tipping point, about when they get to the jungle, it compounds into a cgi nightmare with no stakes.
Or when he was on the raft in the temple of doom, that one is unbelievable too
The raft is reall the only example that makes sense. The others are explicitly supernatural situations
@@creed8712 i still don’t think the raft would work, it falls so far and crashes so hard it would probably knock anybody out at the least irl
Is the “Nuke fridge” the Indiana jones equivalent of all those Superman scripts that had a giant spider in them
Or Brainiac as the villain
@@TimGaukerToonsBrainiac being the villain of a Superman movie is not jumping the shark.
I don’t get it
@@j3tch1ck3n8 the documentary The Death of Superman lives goes into it and I highly recommend it but after the Reeves movies they wanted a Superman for the 90s (Nicholas cage in screen tests to play him) and many of the scripts for the movie eventually titled Superman lives involved him fighting a thanagarian snare best aka a giant spider. If I recall the script writer or director also would later go into wild Wild West where the climax also involves a giant spider for no reason at all
I thrive off of these icebergs. I'm like a parasitic infection to them, always sucking nutrients out from these videos and I'm never going to be shaken off of this channel.
Same man. It’s like an addiction.
@@whitespider584 Exactly dude. You just can't get enough of it.
Realllllll, never related to a comment more
straight up an addiction dude I can't get enough of them
Fr I been addicted to iceberg videos since the Mario 64 one in 2020
I always thought the temple of doom dinner scene was supposed to be a contrast to the villagers from earlier in the movie. The excess of the palace and their hostility contrasts how the villagers are kind and despite having no food choose to feed Indy and Short Round. The palace is evil hand having a curse is why they are eating snakes and insects while the food given by the villagers was vegetables more in line with typical Indian food.
There is a deleted scene in the script where Indy is suspicious after dinner scene saying to Short Round something like Hindus consider life sacred and makes you wonder what’s really going on here.
I think the scene itself isn't the issue, it's how it fits into the wider picture, just keeping the deleted scene would help a LOT
I pray to Shiva that the game is really good and gets people talking about Indy again. Even though I liked Indy 5, there wasn't anyone in the theater under the age of 40 apart from myself so it'd be great if it had a big resurgence with Gen Z
Yeah that’s one of the reasons why it bombed imo. Disney hasn’t done anything with Indy besides let Fortnite use him in the 12 years they’ve owned the IP. Gen Z barely know Indy exists. They probably know him more from parodies and references then the actual films. A shame because an animated Indiana Jones series would go so hard
@Pigpen_YT I fully agree, if a piece of media is good enough, word of mouth will prevail. Unrelated but have you seen the animated short by Patrick Schoenmaker? Legit one of the coolest fanimations I've seen
The franchise has reached the point where life stops giving it things, and instead starts taking them away.
I had the same feeling. I'm a early gen z, and I know lots of people who played the Lego game and it has a nostalgic feeling to them as adults now. But none of them barely watched the movies, to say the least. I've been a huge Indy fan ever since I was a toddler, my first Lego set was Indy themed. Big obsession, knowing the soundtrack, knowing the characters, the actors, and basically being the only friend with this love for the franchise. Lol.
Drake the type of person to say “Well, someone better call the Ice Climbers!” when watching a Pigpen iceberg video
I remember playing the Lego Indiana Jones games. An interesting change is like that every villian sorta get what they want? They get supernatural powers from the artifact of their movie and are fought as a boss fight.
The British guy from The Ark of the Covenant gets transformed into a strange Angel thing
The Cult Leader in Temple of Doom animates his Idol into a moving lava-golem show in the movie.
The other evil British guy who drinks from the wrong Cup in Last Crusade gets Whirlwind powers? Might be related to time or something.
In Crystal Skull, the Crystal Skeleton that the scary Russian Lady who puts its skull back gets her Psychic powers strengthened from it.
In fairness, that's all only in LEGO Indy 2. The first game gives every villain their accurate karmic deaths.
Belloq is French and Donovan is American, none of them are British lmao
That's on Indy 2, the less good lego Indy game
Indiana Jones has always been my favorite movie franchise.
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Short Round is Indiana Jones's only true successor. No reason he can't be the protagonist of an Indiana Jones spin-off movie.
Out of everyone they ever introduced to try and succeed indiana jones, I agree short round would have been the best if they ever brought him back at some point
@@Dominos-be6sd if it was probably 26 years ago maybe but bro is too old now 🤣 let him continue doing taxes and laundry with his wife lol
@@sensaiuriah5440 true lol
@@sensaiuriah5440 Well at least he's gonna be in Zootopia 2.
been waiting for someone to do one of these - the character and franchise deserves it - awesome vid!
Bro I almost choked on my wine during the unicorn segment. Those MLP edits had me dying.
3:06 I think bagon has appeared in more pigpen videos then actual Godzilla movie, games and comic
Maybe the real Abner Ravenwood were the friends we made along the way.
Harrison Ford watching this video: "This'll do nicely."
I don't think Harrison Ford would watch this
@@Pigpen_YTI think he’d rather watch this than a Star Wars iceberg
@@swolejeezy2603Ford : I don’t care
A pirates of the Caribbean iceberg would be fun
Racist? No, because I don't think either Spielberg or Lucas is "racist", but Temple of Doom is definitely very 80's Hollywood...and not the most "culturally sensitive. As someone who was in elementary school at the time...Temple of Doom was pretty much my introduction Hong Kong and India.
I agree. They weren’t really being racist, rather just an average 80’s movie.
That’s like saying “my grandpa isn’t racist, he was just from a different generation”
@@ryanharris2113sure but like there’s more context going on that you don’t add so this is an baseless claim
I agree
@@ryanharris2113If it wasn’t an issue in his generation it doesn’t matter.
So tired of you soyboys who need to judge everything based on your modern day flimsy morality you pretend to have. Go talk to a girl you fruit.
The knight in last crusade literally says "the grail cannot pass beyond the great seal, that is the boundary and the price of immortality"
Considering Elsa crossed the seal and then everyone else escaped...there's no more grail immortality
Those two other guys at the nuking site could have survived if they let Indy in the car with him, because his plot armor would have saved them
11:47 I like that explanation. It has a very mystical, fairy-tale logic to it that fits the situation.
Oddly enough, there's a bit of precedent to the "hiding in a lead lined fridge while the bombs are dropping" idea.
A movie called "Ladybug Ladybug" from 1963 shows a little girl do the same thing. Granted, you don't know if she survived or not still...if I had a nickel....lol.
I´m glad you keep posting icebergs, i love yours because you put so much effort in researching all these obscure subjects. You deserve all the break you need, burning out is awful.
I love your icebergs and your back round music its so satisfying
Started watching this video and realized I didn't get half of the stuff you were saying (never watched Indiana Jones), so I watched all of the movies just for the occasion. Thank you for your hard work!!
Which one was your favorite?
@@Yickerd I really like Raiders, the themes and the overall feeling of the movie felt really intriguing. Also liked the Last Crusade because of the theme of "letting go" at the end
A quick edit for ya: Indy doesn’t really get absorbed by the French military, but instead forges forms from both Belgian and French officials to get himself and his friends Remy transferred to the French army. The young Indy series is definitely worth a watch for anyone interested! Great video btw
Also if they really want to make Indy somewhat of a bad dude, they could’ve just had him selling valuable artifacts to shady individuals in his younger years then making him do a EDP.🐱
He literally does that in Temple of Doom
I enjoy these iceberg videos as I clean my crib sometimes
I like to listen to them while gaming
@@loganwithlightsabers3051 Oh same especially if I'm grinding
Mommys little helper can clean his own crib all by himself?
@@micahclark1265 you know Crib is slang right
that Temple Of Doom prank made me just recoil at every single revelation, holy hell
Hopefully iceberg videos will never die. I know the trend is over four years old, but a good iceberg chart video is really enjoyable, as well as informative and often quite eerie.
honestly this got to be one of your absolute best iceberg. as someone who grew up with theses films but also hasn't watch them in a long time so i'm a bit of out of it with the series, it was really interesting to learn so much goddamn weird stuff there is with this series,. seriously this video made me realize how wack this series actually is.
also surprise in the fortnite section i'm a little surprised how you didn't mention that in one POI on the map ( forgot witch one ) there was puzzle in the area where you had to find some symbols in the area to make a pattern to upen a secret area with loot, and hen you go in a boulder falls ( JUST LIKE THE MOVIE ) and you got to outrun it, i actually remember getting killed by the boulder a couple times and getting really annoyed cause solving the puzzle can be real annoying since unless you done it a million times you'll have no clue what order the symbols go in even if you find them all since it changes every game so i had to had to keep troubleshooting it tell i get it right.
Always happy to see another iceberg from you. Keep doing what you do, brother.
Damn thoughtful of you to research, script, record, edit and upload this just before my day off
Hey the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Movie wasn’t that bad. It was ridiculous but I’d rather see that revived as an MCU attempt than the Dark Universe.
Just merge them. Most of the Dark Universe were public domain anyway.
@@tonybrewer7536 are the Extraordinary Gentleman characters public domain too? I know the “League of Extraordinary Gentleman” is Trademarked, but are the individual characters?
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Quartemain, Dorian, Nemo, Mina, Sawyer, Moriarty, Jekyll/Hyde. All public domain.
The invisible man is tricky. The novel version is PD. The film version is copyright. BUT, you cannot use the novel version in a film because film rights and novel rights are different. That's why they invented Skinner for the film. Anyone can make a movie about an invisible man, it just cannot have the character name from the novel. Anyone can also use the novel character, name and all, in a writing project.
I hope that was not confusing, but feel free to ask for any clarification.
@@tonybrewer7536 yes! Thank you for your info. I’m actually really interested in this. I hope to make an animated short, and later a tv show using the bones of these attempts at cinematic universes, with my own style of course.
The only problem is that im trying to reconcile the two different settings into one. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (which is not what im calling my team) takes place before WW1, and fits there best, while the Dark Universe was supposed to take place in the Modern World and I think it fits there best as well, as the idea of ancient monsters slowing emerging into our world feels intriguing.
I’m currently considering either time travel, and the (different name for league) travels forward and back in time to help their time period and our own, as they can’t beat the monsters, only slow them, and the modern world is their resurfacing.
@@tonybrewer7536 anyways does that sound good?
This belongs in a museum!
We have top men working on this iceberg video. Top. Men.
I just want to say your videos are a godsend to me since I often have them I nthe background at work while I'm busy and they are very well done and well informed
Dude, your iceberg videos are always like a monthly event for me. Keep up the good work ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Take a shot everytime he says ”However” xD
I love your videos because I keep thinking “there’s no way he can get 2 hours out of this” and you always do and they’re always great
Just want to let you know that these icebergs make my day. I sometimes have trouble sleeping and listening to iceberg videos, including yours, helps me to get to sleep. Will definitely be returning to this one several times over so I can absorb all of it, as I do with all your videos, haha. Keep up the great work man, love what you do.
I never though Pat Roach's character in Temple of Doom was supposed to be Indian; I always assumed he was a brainwashed British soldier
@@westube3493 i mean even if he was a brainwashed British solider he’d still be doing blackface
I just look past the questionable makeup just so we can have Indy have another awesome fight with Pat Roach. The idea of him being a brainwashed British soldier does sound like a decent theory.
@Pigpen_YT yeeaaah... no
@@Pigpen_YT I mean they were working in a mine, so the idea of it being dirt and debris that has covered his face is not unreasonable.
@@chase3548 I literally thought my entire life that it was an Indian man just covered in dirt and soot and debris from being in a mine. I didn’t even know it was a white man until I watched this iceberg video LMAO.
Finally! An Indiana Jones iceberg!
I heard online that the fridge scene was actually taken from early drafts of back to the future, and Steven Spielberg just had it in the back of his mind without anything to use it on for so long so he decided to throw it into Indiana Jones when the opportunity presented itself.
Idk if it's enough content for it but u should do a Blade runner 1 and 2044 iceberg 👌🏾. And love the content btw ur videos aren't boring or corny keep going 💯
I might. I’ll have to rewatch the films tho, it’s been a while
Blade Runner is really untapped when it comes to icebergs. Literally the only person who made one was Virtual Carbon and no one has made one since.
Haven't even got past 1 minute into the video, but I'm gonna like and comment right away. Already subbed once so that one's done.
13:00 FUCKING THANK YOU. I’ve been defending the nuke the fridge scene since opening day. I just don’t understand what the fans think they’re watching anymore. None of these movies have been grounded in reality and maybe it’s the big time jump between TLC and KotCS that May everyone suddenly forget that these movies have been laced with outlandish fantasy from the beginning.
😊
THANKS MAN!!! I was 3 days waiting this 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
How many times did someone write the damn fridge bit
Gotta give them credit for persistence. They wanted that fringe scene and they got it
31:02
I'm going to be completely honest, the 4 main points of racism that you brought up as examples of points people have said ToD being racist (besides the Blackface point) aren't that racist in my honest opinion, and I know you didn't brought them up yourself, just listing them out as examples.
The first point of ToD being racist is it depicting Blackface. And while yes, it is in fact racist, but however, it's something that could have been allowed into the movie, let me explain. Yes, it isn't exactly politically correct, but there were some norms back then which are now seen as pretty racist but we're seen as either moderately racist or comedic banter by a lot of people at the time still. The 1980s wasn't the most ideal standard of what is considered to be an anti-racist society, as yes, the 1980s certainly weren't the 1910-30s, but they aren't current standards, meaning that some of the norms back then that we see as slightly racist/bigoted back then were still around. So I would say that it was a product of its time, as during the time of the movie's release, the Civil Rights Act was barely 15 years old and the Black Panthers were still a major group within US politics, modern anti-racist/bigotry laws were still in there infancy. As while it wasn't the 1910-30s, it definitely isn't the current standards.
TL;DR: The Blackface was definitely racist by current standards, but was somewhat considered normal during the 1980s due to anti-racist/bigotry laws still taking a hold within society during the 80s, so I would give a pass to a certain extent.
The second (Indiana Jones being a White Savior) and fourth (Indiana Jones being pro-British Empire propaganda) points of ToD being racist are literal reaches lmao. As they don't even feel like pointing out legitimate racism and are just grasping straws to justify a political narrative. The Indiana Jones being a White Savior makes no sense, as that's not what a White Savior is. A White Savior is a White person that is entirely integrated in a non-White society that is the protagonist that saves non-White people. Indiana Jones isn't that at all in ToD and is mostly an foreign explorer from a White country that is there for his own personal goals, not there to save non-White people. Also, the movie was made in a White majority country, of course a White person would play the main character due to the population being predominantly White. ToD being pro-British Empire propaganda makes no sense either, as the people who use that argument seem to falsely equate a support group saving the protagonist group from the antagonist group with the British attempting to civilize the Indians, as that wasn't the intention of the British troops in ToD. If they were going to make that kind of movie, they would have made it like that. Also, Captain Blumburtt saying that Britain should rule the world isn't an indication of pro-British Empire propaganda, as there's a massive difference between mentioning something versus endorsing something. Mentioning something for the sake of fitting the historical setting isn't necessarily propaganda while endorsing something is one form of propaganda, as if it was actually endorsing pro-British Empire propaganda, then it would've done so both explicitly and inexplicitly.
TL;DR: Indiana Jones being a White Savior or ToD being pro-British Empire propaganda are terrible arguments are terrible arguments to prove that ToD is racist that not only get the definitions they use wrong, but also just unnecessarily overanalyze the movie to justify a political narrative.
The third point of ToD being racist is the Indian dinner scene. While you can argue that it appears to be not exactly politically correct, I wouldn't personally say that it's racist towards non-White people. As you described the counter-argument to that talking-point (a poorly acted/scripted joke) pretty well, so I don't really need to thoroughly describe why it's not racist in my opinion.
Overall, I can totally understand why people would call ToD a racist film, as it definitely has a lot of issues and hasn't aged well both in terms of writing and depiction of non-White people, as a movie styled and written like this would definitely not be made today. But however, besides the Blackface thing, none of the points you mentioned as examples of points people have said ToD being racist aren't that racist in my honest opinion, as they either take things out of context or over exaggerate them. As yes, it isn't exactly politically correct, but there are far worse movies that are leagues more racist than ToD that should be talked about more than ToD in my opinion. And like I said earlier, I know you didn't brought them up yourself, just listing them out as examples for the video.
I mostly agree however I think your points on Blackface as well as the dinner scene do less to suggest the film ISN'T racist, and more to explain that it wasn't INTENDED to be. Blackface, no matter when it happened, is racist. And the dinner scene, regardless of intent, is racist. The British Empire thing I do agree with you on. There's plenty of historical context to suggest that the way in which they act in the movie is spot on, even if the way they act is wrong. But, again, even if they did not intend to be racist, they were. Making up a white actor to be a different race, is racist. Portraying Indian cuisine as bugs and brains, is racist. And that doesn't make Temple of Doom a bad film but, again, it does, in some ways, make it a racist film. We're at the point where we know, unless you're an idiot which you clearly are not, that those things are bad, so I think it's fine to watch and appreciate the film while still acknowledging those things.
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I think the thing you're looking for is that they had a good premise but bad execution and didn't execute it a way that make it appropriate with , which caused some people to claim that they're racist. As if the intention isn't racist, then it isn't racist, as it's quite difficult to justify racism when they didn't have an intention to do so, as it just comes off an assumption for a political narrative. It's more rather that they have good premise but bad execution and had a lack of forethought about it in my opinion. They could have easily made those scenes appropriate without coming off as racist to some people.
You can have Indian people have a dinner scene eating insects and monkey brains without it being racist, as if the context was them being insane lunatics that was done to showcase how they devolved into being insane, then that's not racist. It's just that they bad bad execution and wasn't exactly appropriate. Not to mention that it makes sense why they would eat insects and monkey brains, as those are the animals in India, so it makes sense why they would eat that as a way to express the cult's depravity. As for the Blackface, yeah I can't justify that, it is racist, but like I said, it was during a time where Civil Rights laws and anti-racist/bigot sentiment were in their infancy in the US, so some people didn't have a concrete anti-racist/bigot views back then, so some stuff like Blackface was somewhat normalized in some instances in the 1970-80s, so it gets a pass to a certain extent.
All in all, the racism accusations besides the Blackface tend to neglect the fact that it's either out of context or neglect the fact that it's mostly good premise but bad execution that isn't exactly appropriate. That, and combined with the fact that the movie has poorly aged and you get an disaster waiting to happen.
@@BrickMania2""Portraying Indian cuisine as bugs and brains, is racist"
i never understood this point. They show those poor village people eat normal food, and only the evil cultists are portrayed as eating disgusting stuff. Even as a little kid i never thought this is what Indians /non-whites eat, its disgusting food those specific people eat because they are the villains of the story.
Indy also met Han Solo well his skeleton in Into the Great Unknown
I find it funny that you talk about how people say how it's bad that they got saved by the British colonizers. Then shortly after you mention Joseph Joestar. Who got saved by world War 2 Germans.
I don’t really get it. I’m not making that argument. I’m talking about how others do. As for Joseph Joestar, it was a joke
@@Pigpen_YT I was just making an observation. I wasn't saying anything about you. I just thought "funny how he brought being saved bad group of people. And then brought something a character that had the thing happen."
When I first heard the point about the colonizers immediately made me think of the thing with the classic German soldiers.
Sorry if I came off bad. I might just delete the comment.
@@somethingclever4297 you're good no worries. I'm the one that messed up. My apologies
A FNAF iceberg from you would probably be (at the very least) 5-6 hours long
Eh, there's already a lot of them out there.
I love your channel so much, I predict if you keep up the great work your sub count will explode
For the Halloween iceberg I would love it if you did a Scooby doo iceberg and if not for Halloween just anytime of the year.
A fun little iceberg entry regarding the music: there’s evidence that John Williams wrote a concert version of the new Naz- err, Axis Powers themes in Dial of Destiny and then largely scrapped it.
The only evidence is that there are two spots of the soundtrack where pieces of it were edited in. The brass fanfare at the start of the Axis Power themes in the end credits (Prologue on the OST) appears to be the opening, while the final 30 seconds or so of “Voller’s Return” is the closing. The rest of the piece is unheard.
We know this because of the public cue sheet database for the movie listing a unique cue titled “N*zis” in those spots and only those spots. There’s a forum post that goes into more detail about it, but that’s the gist of it.
Will you ever do a Chespirito iceberg?
hmm it would be interesting
Yeah, he should!
That would be godlike fr! He should definitely do it once he runs out of topics to make icebergs of.
Eugenio
Fun facts UA-cam won't let me time stamp this video for some reason in My Little Pony there's actually a character called daring do who's a protagonist of the book series that's actually based on her real life in Friendship Is Magic
I’m really excited about the new Indy video game this was perfect timing!
For the WWI thing, it would’ve made more sense for Indiana to join the French or British military as they made up the Somme. It’s cool that he fought in WWI, I never knew that, although it is historically inaccurate. And most of the temple of doom “racist” scenes don’t seem racist to me (except for of course the black face).
Nice I got this on my birthday
Hellboy iceberg next?
Really well done dude actually damn. I like listening to these at work. Weirdly you're most educational one imo.
I now can give some credit to Dial of Destiny, it didn't have the stupidest story of Indy, and things could've been a lot worse lol. Can't believe how many I sane ideas Speilberg and Lucas were coming up with and almost did. I'm not the biggest Indy fan but hearing a lot of these were interesting. Thanks
Thank you for covering my favorite film franchise in an iceberg video. 🤠
This show is amazing, so glad to see this review!
Snakes I hate snakes, but I could never hate your uploads 😤
Now that I think of it, John Hurt playing Marion's father in Kingsom of the Crystal Skull would've been a idea. The Oxley character was new and wasn't in the previous films so Mutt being raised by his maternal grandfather and going to Indiana Jones to find him would've fit the story.
Omg that prank video needs to see the light of day.
Always happy to see you, you beautiful man
TEMPLE OF DOOM IS MY FAVORITE.
AND KATE CAPSHAW WAS MY FIRST CRUSH.
Fallout new Vegas has a nuke fridge easter egg
ive been waiting for this all my life
Been waiting for this one.
Woohoo lets go!! Was just thinking when the next video was coming.
1:18:35 Hum… what the hell ? XD
Errrm what the sigma
I thought i was going mad
How on God's Green Earth did they get the director of Logan, one of greatest comic book movies of all time direct Dial of Destiny and it STILL sucks?
I think it would have been impossible for any director to save a movie with such an awful script
@@hedgehobbit6844Plus Harrison is just too old
@@tonybrewer7536should’ve just recast him
Nah the movie is pretty good, on pair with temple of doom
Hey thanks for letting me think about anything other than the current state of the United States future. These icebergs have been very grounding for me. I was saving this one as Indiana Jones is one of my favorite movies characters. Thank you for putting so much effort into every video I hope you get some great rest.
Great timing! I’m on break at work!
Awesome vid 🤠
The entry about racism in Temple of Doom doesn't make sense to me.
1. I always figured that the makeup on the slave driver's face was meant to represent heavy buildup of dirt and dust. Since he works down in the mines all the time, this aesthetic would make sense. It doesn't even cover his whole face, nor is it dark enough for me personally to consider it blackface. Maybe blackface was the intent of the makeup department for this movie and I just didn't know, but I digress.
2. Okay, so are white people just never allowed to be depicted as saving non-white people?
3. Not only does this scene show the weirdness of the Thuggees, but also serves to exploit Willie's general xenophobia as a source of comic relief even more given how much it focuses on her reactions to the "food". I agree, zero stereotyped jabs at Indians as a whole here.
4. This one kind of makes sense, given how brutal Britain was to India during their occupation of it. But I feel like its only offensive to those who are familiar with that portion of world history. If the film is viewed on its own, then its just a character performing a rescue scene at the end.
25:04 Dude, a Fallout iceberg would be absolutely amazing
The video was great and you did a fantastic job narrating and researching!
My only gripe is to me (An Australian), I get confused with how you end sentences on a high note (if that makes sense) with your voice, which makes it seem like a question. Is that subconscious?
Not a personal shot at you or your narrating skills, just confusing me a bit haha
I’ve had many people tell me this and I honestly have no idea what they’re talking about. Whatever you’re hearing isn’t a conscious choice, this is just how I talk. No offense taken
@@Pigpen_YT Haha no worries then. I just mean like at the end of sentences usually the cadence of the voice goes down and or remains the same, whilst it goes up during questions.
Best day of the month
so i haven’t been able to find a Fast and Furious iceberg yet. please make one. i’ve been rewatching them recently
1:35:29 I wonder what your thought process was when adding ponies to these screenshots after hearing about The Alicorn
funny
1:18:34 My Favourite Disney Character
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I do love these icebergs!!
omg yes i love ur videos♥️this was my hyperfixation as a kid
goated youtuber 🙏🏻
Very impressive depth and breadth of research. 👍. HowEVerrrrrrrr...
Chespirito iceberg when my dude?
Whoop new ice berg made my drive awwsome
I can't believe Goku revived Indiana Jones
33% Abner Ravenwood
33% Cyborgs
33% Harrison Ford injuring himself
Green lantern iceberg please
Is it just me who never hated Crystal Skull? I watched it as a kid in theatres and had lots of fun. The aliens aren’t a heel-turn at the end of the movie, they establish them basically right at the start. The real thing holding Crystal Skull back was Harrison Fords age. He’s not that charming rougeish action movie hero from the 80’s anymore. Not to say he didn’t try.
Plus, i think lots of people (like wendiGoon) have this strange bias towards the earlier films because they see Christianity as “real” and Aliens as “Not Real”
Also how strange is it that the Indiana Jones World is a place where the Biblical god and magical artifacts, Hindu gods and magical artifacts, Ancient Aliens, and Time Travel all exist at the same time??
WENDIGOON MENTION!
@@Tycitron I’m Gooning!!! 😮
I would go as far to say I like Kingdom of the Crystal skull over Last Crusade, and Dial of Destiny.
@@joshslater2426 Honestly I agree. Last Crusade is too preachy at times and Dual of Destiny just feels sad to me.
@@joshslater2426 That's... certainly an opinion. One of the opinions of all time.
Honestly Indiana Jones and the Great Circle looks interesting and to be honest, you deserve to take those breaks king
I'm genuinely shocked you didn't mention the myth that Indiana Jones is irrelevant to the plot of Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's a myth popularized by The Big Bang Theory and states that Indy played no part in the Nazis finding the Ark of the Covenant and they would always die if they found and opened it.
Indiana Jones doesn't really contribute to the plot of the film.
I thought about it but I thought it was stupid so I didn't include it
The goat !!!
Epic win!!!
22:58 This guy says "nein" a lot!!! Apparently something i learnt from an old classmate from high school!!!