I'm not sure what you expected from this piece of kit. I use all sorts of items for cooking, Trangia, Kelly Kettle, gas stoves, fire pit etc and there is definitely a place for the trangia in my kit. Making a solid meal is just so much easier in a Trangia and far tastier than those freeze dried ones that seem to be the fad for now. Think you really need to utilise it more, become more adventurous with your cooking. The 25 is like having a kitchen in your back pack. And hey, really check out the benefits of that simmer ring.. theres a whole world of cooking you're missing out on.
As I said, I lived the trangia and would buy another one tomorrow. But, nothing is perfect so I was sharing what I find to be worth improving. You’re probably right, our cooking in the backcountry is relatively simple, lots to explore. Thanks for your comment.!!
I'll be waiting for a 12 year review of your Kojin burner and wind screen. This review is as informative as a review where one bought a winter sleeping bag but only uses it as a quilt indoors during summer (too hot, useless zipper, way too heavy for summer).
The plastic strainer is not intended for use as a lid when cooking. It can be used for straining liquid after cooking and also can be placed over a pot of hot food to aid keeping the food warm. It may have become distoted through incorrect use. As for the fry pan......bin it! It is old school Teflon and not safe to use when chipped. I would recommend replacing it with a hard anodised Trangia pan.
@@35andRetired Teflon in itself is not a problem, it was the older manufacturing methods that released a lot of bad chemicals into the environment before they understood the dangers. Today it's neither hazardous to cook in or manufacture, unless you like tinfoil hats a lot. I have a Duossal Trangia myself as i prefer the near indestructible stainless steel inner/aluminum outer pans, not because I'm afraid of Teflon. At home I use teflon coated pans where appropriate. Teflon and the other types of plastics of the same kind (PTFE) have revolutionized a lot of things in our daily life, including for example, medical equipment and even implants inside the body. Gore-Tex fabrics was possible due to PTFE. It also made the trips to the moon possible as one part needed in the harsh environment in outer space. In short it is an incredible invention. Regarding your review, to me it looks like you bought something other than what you need. That is never a good thing, but also makes some of the criticism awkward to me. The Trangia stove in this configuration was launched in the 1950's by the Swedish company Trangia, founded in 1925 (they made pots and pans first), and was not constructed or configured on a whim but after extensive trials, and the complete kit to fit a lot of different situations. Their company and manufacturing plant is not very far from where I live actually and they have a museum and store there too. Nice place to visit. You can always buy the separate parts if you want to, but the kit is made to fit a lot of different situations, and works very well at that. Regarding the splits in the locking tabs, I have had the same on my brand new kits, so probably you had the same cracks from the beginning. I'd say it happens in manufacturing/stamping due to the thin and much harder aluminum they use today. They cracks doesn't widen, at least mine hasn't. My oldest stove from the '80's doesn't have any locking tabs, and the strap holders are riveted in place instead of stamped out (which was a better method imho). The material is also softer and thicker (and heavier).
The O ring loses flexibility with age and consequently starts to leak. The seal was not meant to last as long as the brass. The cooker was designed so the O ring could be easily replaced. Quicker and easier to replace the O ring occasionally than to muck around refilling and emptying it every time you use it.
Dented pans and pots can be easily flattened out with a rubber mallet and a solid, flat surface. The base as well. It takes some serious work to get them really flat, but flat enough takes just few seconds.
Good impartial review. Appreciate the foil tip, great for eliminating the pita oil/fat cleanup at camp. Came to the same conclusions about the strainer, strap buckle which I think I'll make a side release buckle strap and replace it with, and simmer ring experiences. I just wait for the simmer ring to cool down a bit before converting to snuffer but also rarely use simmer function too. Have found the seal on my burner to be reliable over time but interesting to see the Kojan burner option. I water the meths down with 10% water to reduce sooting on the pots, perhaps that reduces deterioration on the o-ring due to the burner edge remaining cleaner. I opted for Duossal versions for my 25 and 27's as I'm primarily sea kayak camping so weight not so much of an issue there and for day hikes the minimal extra weight doesn't matter much. Love the far superior stability of the base than those scarily precarious canister mounted burners. And then there's the silence of the alcohol compared with gas- bliss. Appreciate the perspective.
Sounds like we have had some similar experiences! I appreciate your first comment about the impartial review. It seems like people either love something 100% or hate it 100% and anything inbetween is "contradictory". I don't understand why one cannot generally appreciate something while also noticing rooms for improvement. Oh well, life certainly goes on!
I enjoyed your critical review. I have both the 25 and 27 and find that I leave components behind and take only what I need based on the meals I've planned for the trip. Sometimes I take the complete kit but I'll often leave the pan or pot(s) behind if I don't need them. Regarding burner leakage - I've had the same issue. I've tightened the burner cap at the start of my hike/trip only to find it leaked by the time I've reached my destination. Seems to me that between the increased temperatures as the day goes on, combined with altitude gain and shaking around in my backpack, the o-ring can't contain the pressure buildup inside the burner. I carried it in a baggie so it didn't make a mess in my pack and most of the fuel stayed in the burner so it wasn't a big deal...but it was disappointing. Now I only carry an empty burner. I still carry the cap on overnighters, though, and use it to cap the burner overnight so I can use the remaining dinner fuel for coffee in the morning. I then empty the burner before hitting the trail again. Nice to see such a well-used kit!
Thank you for your comments and on personal feedback!!! It’s odd to me, it seems like we have lost our ability to listen to one another. Around the one minute mark, I said that I really like the stove, would buy a new one, if mine broke tomorrow, but of course, I’m not so blind to have a few comments About where I think it could be improved. Trangia fan boys seem to get really upset about that. Funny world we live in.
I think you have the right mindset to be critical to a product you obviously love. Myself I see the trangia as a hotrod. You take somting gereric, reliable and boring, and you customize it to your own preferences and needs. Nice and healthy to see somone who's not blind in there own believes.
The Evernew pot - since that has arms that fold out, I'm wondering how you used that in lieu of the kettle. Did you set it on top (where the fry pan sits) or somehow did you put it inside the windscreen where the Trangia kettle would sit? Also wondering about the efficiency of the Kojin (sp?) burner vs the Trangia, and where to get or how to make the adapter. Thanks.
I probably communicated the Evernew pot usage poorly. I use the evernew pot for boiling water for coffee with a complete stand alone system that doesn't use any of the Trangia components, rather a windscreen and stove from Trail Designs. I did a few other videos about efficiency and why I like the Kojin and Trail Designs cone over the Trangia. Hopefully those help and take care!
@@35andRetired I've had them leak, but because the o-ring got too hard and brittle. They sell them pretty cheap and you need to replace it occasionally as the rubber hardens over time. I saw you hade the brass burner without any protection inside the pot, and that is recommended against. If you have spirit/water leak form the burner and the brass is in direct contact with the aluminum, it can corrode and damage or make holes in the pot if left unattended for a longer time. It happened to me. There is a reason why Trangia sells those yellow plastic bags as a spare part, but you can of course use any suitable plastic bag.
I never had to replace the o-ring. I use the burner almost weekly for over ten years now. If you use the burner correctly you will have no problems with it.
@@JuicyLuXy Well, you're talking about a measly 10 years. The ones I've changed (now bakelite-like) o-rings on were pushing 30 years. So yes, you will have to change the seal eventually, and it has nothing to do with wrong usage, but normal aging of rubber, especially if in contact with alcohol.
You cannot use the plastic disc as a lid!! It is for pouring off water and it's useful as a cutting board. Good enough. And you definitely cannot carry liquid in the burner!!! And as regards to the simmer ring: it is really useful while cooking pasta etc. You could consider to buy a hard anodized set.
You’re right! I have actually never used it as a kid but remembering reading about it….I just checked the website and it says “can be used as lid AFTER cooking”…guess I forgot after all these years but thanks for correcting me. Regarding carrying alcohol fuel inside the burner while hiking - why do you say it is not allowed?
hi would disagree with you on that you can stack the pans one on top of the other so they both can be used Together not Ideal but it is what it is as for the trangia alcohol burner hi only carry it as a back up just in case Hi run out ofgas adapter more afishent and no soot on pans as it's cleaner burning
May be trangia is not really for you. You put tin fool on the pan and change the burner. I'm not really sure why you use them. There are loads of Chinese non stick versions that you might want to look at
Great designs can be improved. Trangia is a great design and as I said in the video, I love them. But loving something doesn't mean it is perfect. Clean up with tin foil is amazing when you cook with butter or oil at 32F and it congeals. And this other burner is WAY better, lighter, does not have dissimilar metal corrosion issues, and can easily be blown out. The other aspects of the Trangia rock.
I'm not sure what you expected from this piece of kit. I use all sorts of items for cooking, Trangia, Kelly Kettle, gas stoves, fire pit etc and there is definitely a place for the trangia in my kit. Making a solid meal is just so much easier in a Trangia and far tastier than those freeze dried ones that seem to be the fad for now. Think you really need to utilise it more, become more adventurous with your cooking. The 25 is like having a kitchen in your back pack. And hey, really check out the benefits of that simmer ring.. theres a whole world of cooking you're missing out on.
As I said, I lived the trangia and would buy another one tomorrow. But, nothing is perfect so I was sharing what I find to be worth improving. You’re probably right, our cooking in the backcountry is relatively simple, lots to explore. Thanks for your comment.!!
I'll be waiting for a 12 year review of your Kojin burner and wind screen. This review is as informative as a review where one bought a winter sleeping bag but only uses it as a quilt indoors during summer (too hot, useless zipper, way too heavy for summer).
I had a good hard laugh out loud at this very clever insult. Keep a look out for my useless review in around 10 years 😀
The plastic strainer is not intended for use as a lid when cooking. It can be used for straining liquid after cooking and also can be placed over a pot of hot food to aid keeping the food warm. It may have become distoted through incorrect use. As for the fry pan......bin it! It is old school Teflon and not safe to use when chipped. I would recommend replacing it with a hard anodised Trangia pan.
Thanks for the tip David! Do you know what makes it dangerous? I’m not familiar with the danger myself…
@@35andRetired Teflon in itself is not a problem, it was the older manufacturing methods that released a lot of bad chemicals into the environment before they understood the dangers. Today it's neither hazardous to cook in or manufacture, unless you like tinfoil hats a lot. I have a Duossal Trangia myself as i prefer the near indestructible stainless steel inner/aluminum outer pans, not because I'm afraid of Teflon. At home I use teflon coated pans where appropriate. Teflon and the other types of plastics of the same kind (PTFE) have revolutionized a lot of things in our daily life, including for example, medical equipment and even implants inside the body. Gore-Tex fabrics was possible due to PTFE. It also made the trips to the moon possible as one part needed in the harsh environment in outer space. In short it is an incredible invention.
Regarding your review, to me it looks like you bought something other than what you need. That is never a good thing, but also makes some of the criticism awkward to me. The Trangia stove in this configuration was launched in the 1950's by the Swedish company Trangia, founded in 1925 (they made pots and pans first), and was not constructed or configured on a whim but after extensive trials, and the complete kit to fit a lot of different situations. Their company and manufacturing plant is not very far from where I live actually and they have a museum and store there too. Nice place to visit.
You can always buy the separate parts if you want to, but the kit is made to fit a lot of different situations, and works very well at that. Regarding the splits in the locking tabs, I have had the same on my brand new kits, so probably you had the same cracks from the beginning. I'd say it happens in manufacturing/stamping due to the thin and much harder aluminum they use today. They cracks doesn't widen, at least mine hasn't. My oldest stove from the '80's doesn't have any locking tabs, and the strap holders are riveted in place instead of stamped out (which was a better method imho). The material is also softer and thicker (and heavier).
@35andRetired google PFAS and your done with non stick
The O ring loses flexibility with age and consequently starts to leak. The seal was not meant to last as long as the brass. The cooker was designed so the O ring could be easily replaced. Quicker and easier to replace the O ring occasionally than to muck around refilling and emptying it every time you use it.
Yep! Fair point.
Dented pans and pots can be easily flattened out with a rubber mallet and a solid, flat surface. The base as well. It takes some serious work to get them really flat, but flat enough takes just few seconds.
Good tip! Thank you!!
Good impartial review. Appreciate the foil tip, great for eliminating the pita oil/fat cleanup at camp. Came to the same conclusions about the strainer, strap buckle which I think I'll make a side release buckle strap and replace it with, and simmer ring experiences. I just wait for the simmer ring to cool down a bit before converting to snuffer but also rarely use simmer function too. Have found the seal on my burner to be reliable over time but interesting to see the Kojan burner option. I water the meths down with 10% water to reduce sooting on the pots, perhaps that reduces deterioration on the o-ring due to the burner edge remaining cleaner. I opted for Duossal versions for my 25 and 27's as I'm primarily sea kayak camping so weight not so much of an issue there and for day hikes the minimal extra weight doesn't matter much. Love the far superior stability of the base than those scarily precarious canister mounted burners. And then there's the silence of the alcohol compared with gas- bliss. Appreciate the perspective.
Sounds like we have had some similar experiences! I appreciate your first comment about the impartial review. It seems like people either love something 100% or hate it 100% and anything inbetween is "contradictory". I don't understand why one cannot generally appreciate something while also noticing rooms for improvement. Oh well, life certainly goes on!
I enjoyed your critical review. I have both the 25 and 27 and find that I leave components behind and take only what I need based on the meals I've planned for the trip. Sometimes I take the complete kit but I'll often leave the pan or pot(s) behind if I don't need them.
Regarding burner leakage - I've had the same issue. I've tightened the burner cap at the start of my hike/trip only to find it leaked by the time I've reached my destination. Seems to me that between the increased temperatures as the day goes on, combined with altitude gain and shaking around in my backpack, the o-ring can't contain the pressure buildup inside the burner. I carried it in a baggie so it didn't make a mess in my pack and most of the fuel stayed in the burner so it wasn't a big deal...but it was disappointing. Now I only carry an empty burner.
I still carry the cap on overnighters, though, and use it to cap the burner overnight so I can use the remaining dinner fuel for coffee in the morning. I then empty the burner before hitting the trail again.
Nice to see such a well-used kit!
Thank you for your comments and on personal feedback!!!
It’s odd to me, it seems like we have lost our ability to listen to one another. Around the one minute mark, I said that I really like the stove, would buy a new one, if mine broke tomorrow, but of course, I’m not so blind to have a few comments About where I think it could be improved. Trangia fan boys seem to get really upset about that. Funny world we live in.
I think you have the right mindset to be critical to a product you obviously love. Myself I see the trangia as a hotrod. You take somting gereric, reliable and boring, and you customize it to your own preferences and needs.
Nice and healthy to see somone who's not blind in there own believes.
What a great comment! Thanks Chris!!
I have to agree about the strap, I replaced both mine with cheap straps from China.
It is a small thing, but it still seems odd....
You can always fix the hot water yourself with the Trangia, so no problem with the dishes.
Certainly true. But it’s one less chore when it’s dark and you’re tired and your three kids need help with bedtime 😀
The Evernew pot - since that has arms that fold out, I'm wondering how you used that in lieu of the kettle. Did you set it on top (where the fry pan sits) or somehow did you put it inside the windscreen where the Trangia kettle would sit? Also wondering about the efficiency of the Kojin (sp?) burner vs the Trangia, and where to get or how to make the adapter. Thanks.
I probably communicated the Evernew pot usage poorly. I use the evernew pot for boiling water for coffee with a complete stand alone system that doesn't use any of the Trangia components, rather a windscreen and stove from Trail Designs. I did a few other videos about efficiency and why I like the Kojin and Trail Designs cone over the Trangia. Hopefully those help and take care!
I have never have one leak in over 20 years.
Good to know. Maybe I had a bad seal then…
@@35andRetired I've had them leak, but because the o-ring got too hard and brittle. They sell them pretty cheap and you need to replace it occasionally as the rubber hardens over time. I saw you hade the brass burner without any protection inside the pot, and that is recommended against. If you have spirit/water leak form the burner and the brass is in direct contact with the aluminum, it can corrode and damage or make holes in the pot if left unattended for a longer time. It happened to me. There is a reason why Trangia sells those yellow plastic bags as a spare part, but you can of course use any suitable plastic bag.
I never had to replace the o-ring. I use the burner almost weekly for over ten years now. If you use the burner correctly you will have no problems with it.
@@JuicyLuXy Well, you're talking about a measly 10 years. The ones I've changed (now bakelite-like) o-rings on were pushing 30 years. So yes, you will have to change the seal eventually, and it has nothing to do with wrong usage, but normal aging of rubber, especially if in contact with alcohol.
Put the buckle on the side near the top.
yep, still a bad design to include something that ruins the item (in my opinion anyhow)
You cannot use the plastic disc as a lid!! It is for pouring off water and it's useful as a cutting board. Good enough. And you definitely cannot carry liquid in the burner!!!
And as regards to the simmer ring: it is really useful while cooking pasta etc.
You could consider to buy a hard anodized set.
You’re right! I have actually never used it as a kid but remembering reading about it….I just checked the website and it says “can be used as lid AFTER cooking”…guess I forgot after all these years but thanks for correcting me.
Regarding carrying alcohol fuel inside the burner while hiking - why do you say it is not allowed?
hi would disagree with you on that you can stack the pans one on top of the other so they both can be used
Together not Ideal but it is what it is as for the trangia alcohol burner hi only carry it as a back up just in case
Hi run out ofgas adapter more afishent and no soot on pans as it's cleaner burning
thanks for the feedback!
I don’t understand? sound like you don’t like it,but you brought another one?
Listen to 0:55 thru 1:10. It has flaws, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like it.
You seem like an angry young man! You should have quit using it years ago if you hate so many things about it. I love mine.
ha - I’m neither old nor angry. I am, however, analytical and honest, which means I share details I hate about products that I in general love.
@@35andRetired I don't think you are either mate, just impartial and analytical. Fine with me.
May be trangia is not really for you. You put tin fool on the pan and change the burner. I'm not really sure why you use them. There are loads of Chinese non stick versions that you might want to look at
Great designs can be improved. Trangia is a great design and as I said in the video, I love them. But loving something doesn't mean it is perfect. Clean up with tin foil is amazing when you cook with butter or oil at 32F and it congeals. And this other burner is WAY better, lighter, does not have dissimilar metal corrosion issues, and can easily be blown out. The other aspects of the Trangia rock.
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