+JOLENE ARMENDARIZ hmmm... good point at the end, but it *does matter* what people say. If people who are in a leadership role in the Church at large (especially people who, like Rob Bell, have an online presence), they have an influence on them. We need people in the Church who are edifying and inspiring people towards what is we should know and understand and do, and we need to be rid of the people who lead people astray (like the Rob Bells of this world). But yes! We must look at what God says prior to judging what others say. Absolutely.
+JOLENE ARMENDARIZ So women can only be saved through child bearing and can't speak in church and you should stone your children when they are disobedient ?
+calum morrison and yet Apollos was taught by Pricilla and she is also the potential author of Hebrews. Women travelled and were taught by Jesus, sat next to him while he ate (which no other cultures of his day did). You are doing the same thing Bell is doing. Namely, grabbing random passages, throwing them up against the wall and walking away like you have said something meaningful. Ignorant of history, culture, exegesis, hermeneutics, but those arguments come off like they were almost original...just kidding! More Richard Dawkins uninformed propaganda. I have story for you written by Hans Christian Andersen, calledThe Emperor's New Clothes! (No Hans isn't one of the authors of the gospels even though he has "Christian" in his name.
Truth wins. 2 timothy 4:3-4 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. Unfortunately, God is not a Universalist and he has more than the attribute of love.God is also Just. When we speak of God's attributes, we are talking about those characteristics that helps us to understand who He truly is. That which follows is a thorough, yet incomplete list and summary of His attributes. Eternality Mercy Goodness Omnipotence Grace Omnipresence Holiness Omniscience Immanence Righteousness Immutability Self-Existence Justice Sovereignty Love Transcendence Jesus speaks of the reality of hell more than any other preacher both in the gospels and his in Revelation. Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Revelation 21:7-9 7The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. 8But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.” 9Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”… Matthew 25:46 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Psalm 9:17 17 The wicked go down to the realm of the dead, all the nations that forget God. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might Matthew 13:50 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Acts 2:27 27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay. Mark 43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. Jude 1:7 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. Proverbs 15:24 Chapter Parallel Compare 24 The path of life leads upward for the prudent to keep them from going down to the realm of the dead. Proverbs 23:14 14 Punish them with the rod and save them from death. Matthew 13:42 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 23 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Revelation 19:20 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 2 Peter 2:4 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; Revelation 20:13-14 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Matthew 10:28 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Rob Bell, the epitome of: 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
@@sk8ercaligirl But he doesn't ignore Paul's announcement that "every knee shall bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." So, will every knee bow or not?
Really misleading headline. You have a ridiculously biased interviewer who obviously didn't read the book being unbelievably hostile to an author / pastor who is being very loving in the face of outright abuse.
But, you don't understand, Kerry; being nice and loving isn't the way a believer is supposed to be. Verbally chiding and judgmental is the way! (Note my sarcasm.)
So so true. His first statement was a clear indicator that he didn't read the book. Rob Bell does not state in the book that all go to heaven upon death.
you nailed it man, he obviously did NOT read the book. i found multiple evidences of that. pretty much every person who has made a video trying to go against him is totally misinformed.
Great interview. Except Rob Bell forgot to squirm. Bashir kept repeating his questions after Bell answered them. That was weird. Kind of like he had an agenda. He did remember to tag on, "according to this one reviewer," but it was so obvious that this belligerence toward Bell was his own perspective that he was attempting to hide behind a thin veil of objectivity.
+Steve Kiely That's because it was a carefully planned ambush. Little does anyone know, but Rob Bell was lead to believe Bashir was a fan of his work, minutes before the interview, which put him in a relaxed state. Afterwood, Rob Bell went to shake Bashir's hand, to which he refused and told him to "Get... out". Disgusting behaviour.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 "for a time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but have itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suite their own passions, and will turn away from listening to truth and wander off into myths".
What's ironic is that if you believe in eternal conscious torment then you stand condemned by that very verse you quoted. The bible teaches universal reconciliation and for christians to take that glorious gospel and twist it into spiritual terrorism and fear mongering is blasphemous. Hell is a pagan myth and has nothing to do with God.
He asks Rob Bell a yes-or-no question. Rob Bell gives a paragraph-long response which doesn't even come close to answering the question. The interviewer was simply calling out the bullcrap in Bell's "religion"
I find it incredibly disturbing that people are up in arms about someone who teaches what God desires - to the point that they become apologists for eternal torment and mistakenly call it 'good news'.
Without hell there can't be any good news, without hell what exactly is Jesus the savior saving you from? Without a literal Adam 6,000 years ago who sinned, there is no need for a savior, no literal Adam then there is no need for Jesus.
Fisrt, Bashir asks Bell to answer a question that has been debated by every single theologian for THOUSANDS of years... and he offers only two possible answers. Stupid! Then proceeds to ask him to answer yes or no to "why is Christ irrelevant to our salvation/damnation". He wrote an entire friggin book to answer that question, If he thought it could be answered in a few words wouldn't he have just tweeted about it instead... Bashir asks "Do you think that our response to Christ on Earth is unimportant?" Bell says. "it's incredibly important" I think that what Bell is saying, is that our response to Christ, while we are living is the MOST important thing. Even if it has literally NOTHING to do with Heaven and Hell. Why is our response to Christ even a part of the discussion of eternity!? How childish, to believe that the reason to follow Christ is the reward. It's important because Christ is GOD and worthy of all we have. finally, I think that using natural disasters as anti theistic propaganda is gross.
Rob Bell was speaking nonsense, of course he looked like a fool. The interviewer gave him plenty of time to answer his questions. Rob Bell was just ill equipped to answer, and that's the truth. Only those who are ignorant of what the Bible teaches would fall for Rob Bell's nonsense. Ignorance is the quickest way to destruction, and Rob Bell is going to take a lot of folks to a terrible end with this nonsense. I suggest you all read the Bible for yourselves. Actually hear the words and what they mean as you read them aloud to yourself.
Nice! Martin Bashir leads with the age old trilemma. An either or fallacy that assumes two options and only two options. Namely God is not loving, or He is not powerful enough to stop suffering. Problem is the complexity of allowing free will and getting the world a good God would want. There is no logjical problem with allowing evil, even natural evil, given that the God of the Bible rewards people in heaven whom he allowed to be victimized by moral or natural evil on Earth. When you have everlasting life what does a few years or even decades of suffering compare to endless millennia in paradise. Further Jesus and his disciples were more than willing to suffer next to everyone else. Even more so, The God of the Bible is not some wet-nurse here to maximize your fulfillment of Maslow's hierarchy. That said Rob Bell is hardly the guy to ask about this problem. Not much of a philosopher and less of a theologian. God doesn't give people free will to reject him, according to Bell.
Then you haven't read the book being discussed. Bell clearly states a few times in his book that even after material death, it is still completely up to the individual to turn to God. He doesn't even begin to hint that God forces anyone. But if you don't believe that Love can melt the hardest of hearts, then you have not been encountered by love. Yet :)
No he is asking he right questions. All questions are correct. Rob is just lost and not answering it honestly. God is all Love and God is also just. A parent loves his daughter who lied and was disciplined for it. Just is love and love is just. Rob's word is not of God. Rob is trying to win the weak over with lies and will be held responsible for it.
Epic. How many times does Bell have to give a straight answer and then the interviewer says, "Well which is it? You have not answered." Yet Bell answers every single time.
+symara kaslov the problem is he's supposed to be a journalist. You don't go hunting for the answer you think you want - you hunt for the truth. Repeatedly putting words in other people's mouths is deceitful and the lowest form of journalism.
I so happy he was not soft balled this interview and that gentlemen made him answer him Rob bell has left the true Christian biblical understanding of the word of God
Where does it say in the bible that God will save you when you die? What a cowardly cop out! The only way to heaven is by asking Jesus to forgive your sins and to accept him as your saviour. Christians need to make a stand and even though you may be hated by the world. Stand by what you believe. Not twist it to fit how the world wants to hear it.
+tracey cross It is simple, it doesn't. In fact, it says the opposite. Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment(KJV) To further counter his ideas II Corinthians 6:2 For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Where did Rob say otherwise? What about those that have never heard of Jesus - what happens to them? What happens to those who have been given a warped view of Jesus - like children that have been abused by Christian Pastors and Priests? What if those children don't want anything to do with the bible because of that, and they unfortunately pass away before they have a chance to be shown the true picture of the Bible? What happens to them?
Okay, let me ask you this. If you (or anyone for that matter) were molested by a cop when you were a child, then would that mean that no law enforcement would ever have dominion over you if you break the law?
I agree with the interviewer. The thing is that God is love, yes, but He is also Holy. We have to understand that. For people who don't know who Jesus is, and who don't know about the Bible, God will deal with them in His own way. The other thing is that we can't put God in a box.......God is so vast and so holy, it's hard for us to comprehend Him but if we see who Jesus is, the third Person of the Trinity, then we can begin to understand Who the Father is.
Romans 2: 11-16 " For there is no partiality with God. 12 For all who have sinned apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous before God, but those who do the law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever the Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, these who do not have the law are a law to themselves. 15 They show that the work of the law is written in their hearts, as their conscience bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or else defend them, 16 on the day when God will judge the secrets of human hearts, according to my gospel through Christ Jesus."
***** There is one God & He has a triune nature. And yes, I believe in Hell. I also believe in Heaven. Jesus talked & warned more about Hell than what He said about Heaven. When I left my first comment, I didn't know that I'd have to deal with your long, drawn-out replies....your "books". Anyway, let's just agree to disagree on this & let it drop for Pete's sake! If you want to have the last word, you can.
Rob Bell doesn’t understand theology. He isn’t making sense. Twisted scripture. God is NOT just a God of love, but rather a God of justice and many times Wrath
There is no way out for Rob Bell, he is trying to solve a contradiction. A contradiction can never be solved, it is an instrinsic impossible situation.
@Benjamin Clark, the Greek verb for sin is "hamartano" it literally means not a part of, not a share of, it's what happened in the hearts of Adam and Eve when they made the choice to go their own way. Its implications are beyond not being perfect, although when one hears "missing the mark" that's what we think. The emphasis of this word is on self-empowerment rather than God empowerment. It's heart says "I can do this myself" I can be like God/a God, call my own shots. The antithesis of this is surrender and reliance on God and His righteousness. As far as God being an elitist, He gave His Son Jesus for all of humanity-an incredible act of love-the proportions of which we cannot fully grasp. Accepting that sacrifice and calling myself a follower of Christ means I will be a part of and sharer of God's divine love and relationship.
Those of you who say that Bell answered the question must be devotees of Bell. Bashir asks him whether it's relevant how people respond to the Gospel in regards to our salvation and he says "It's incredibly relevant.." but then just follows that up with more questions. And he does this with pretty much every question Bashir asked. His answers were simply echoes of the serpent "Did God really say..."
The word hell was translated from words that all mean Grave, except when it was translated from Gehenna and that word was the name of the garbage dump of a city where things are destroyed and cease to be. Study the original languages, people instead of clinging to hundred year of translations based from false doctrine that was added by the Catholic church.
Thank you! Nobody seems to understand this horrible Catholic dogma because nobody will actually study it!!! Nowhere in Scripture does it describe the creation, purpose or avoidance techniques of 'hell'...
People are not good. Some people think they are good, but the bible says "all have sinned". People don't act good because of fear of punishment. That is why we need Jesus. He gives us the Holy Spirit when we come to him as we are and give him our sins. He cleanses the damage of our sin inside us and strengthens us to stay pure. The reward is what he gives us for being his child, as a parent would a child they love and who they have a relationship with. As to understanding punishment, that is a reality he allows us to know. He doesn't hide from us the consequences of sin. How would it be loving for God to not let us know the consequences of turning our back on God's love. Would you not warn your child not to go to a dangerous side of town. You may not describe all the horrors that could happen there, but you may give an overview of why you are warning. It is the relationship with your child that would cause them to believe you and not go there. It is our belief in a God who does not lie that keeps us safe from dangers in this world and the next.
The question put to Rob by the host is not an either/or alternative as he suggests i.e., either God cares and is not all powerful or God doesn't care and is all powerful. It is also not axiomatic that the proposition that "Love wins in the end" (which I don't accept necessarily, would make responding to Christ now "irrelevant." The host offers typical antithetical propositions as if they are axiomatic polar extremes one of which must be true. But they are not the only alternatives. Rob made a powerful statement that was completely skipped over: "Love demands freedom." Love demands a choice. Choices demand consequences. God has given the earth to mankind. Doing so does not mean He is unloving or uninvolved. He is incredibly involved and caring...enough to send His only Son to die! But He also elevated mankind to the position of His Own Image. And He hasn't taken that away. He has not taken every detail of earth's management back to Himself. Correcting excessive Calvinism and mistaken eschatology (futurism and re-created earth) would give understanding of many of these paradoxes.
+Tim Robinson Great comment. It wasn't a good interview by Bashir. I think he must've thrown that first question in there at the last minute - it was strangely out of place. Not that the rest of the interview was any better! He repeats a question three times, to which he got three clear answers!
I'd rather hear him quote God's word than his little cliché's. God gave us freedom of choice and that contradicts Bell's beliefs. Freedom of choice involves freedom to come to God for salvation which is spoken throughout the old and new testament. Bell believes that the world does not have to come through Christ to God. He says that Love means there is no heaven or hell either. Jesus himself said differently. Bell contradicts on judgment. He says that that it is natural to want justice for the wrongs of the world, but then denies that the consequence of hell can be legitimate, though Jesus was very clear about it. God does not send people to hell. Sin takes mankind to justice which is punishment and God provided the ultimate deliverance from all penalties. That is true love, not Bell's version of love. God calling people to himself and then providing the Way to get to himself is perfection. God warning us that false teachers will be used by the devil to keep you from the truth and try to trick you, is love. Preserving his Word so that we do not have to depend on other men to teach us the truth, is love. Calling all men to bring the truth to others and be kind, is love. God is not on trial for not loving, but lying is not loving.
Rob Bell forgot Righteousness and Justice. His 'god' is not a God of Love but of a form of shallow human emotion and even that is insufficient. A person who killed your wife and children and burns your house down is never caught and no one knows who did it. Where's the Justice? "Vengeance is mine". Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’ And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
He actually did answer the original question.. The original question was a closed question so it requires an indirect answer. We were created in what we call an epistemic distance from God.. the only way we could have been while maintaining free will. So God created and allowed us to do what we want so although like a father that allows his son to make mistakes, God allows us to do the same but that doesn't mean he doesn't care.
"That's true isn't it?" "That's what you've done haven't you?" Seriously? I value a sort of neutral interviewer that strives at least during the interview to appear indifferent. This guy seems like his goal is to make Bell out to be some sort of heretic which if you follow Rob Bell's fruit that just isn't the case.
@@KristiLEvans1 and Michael Kochenburger :-) British News interviewers ask questions in that way when interviewing slippery politicians - and they use the same technique against politicians of all shades of opinion. But British people? Well I'm British and I'm not rude like that - but I might be if I was interviewing a slippery politician :-D But the interview technique does not work well/fairly in an exploration of ideas (which includes theological ideas). Seeing this interview again I'm not so sure that Bashir does manage to make Rob Bell look stupid (perhaps I've been influenced by the latest revelations about Bashir's consistent unethical behavior as a journalist which has stripped him of credibility). :-)
Rob Bell does a great job of answering all the questions in this interview, a gruelling examination. To say Bell is being cowardly and copping out is ridiculous.... does it look like he is trying to win friends in this interview? Did he win the hearts and minds of the 5,000 plus people that dropped out of his congregation after he stood up for his convictions? How about the millions who are calling him a heritic? I think he has huge balls and poses the questions and serious discussions that SO many Christians ... and non-christians, and atheists, and ex-christians... have wanted, needed to put out there.
Bell's Method: 1 - Make generic statement about the Bible, "The Bible is about Restoration!" 2 - Make a sun hectic statement about people's feelings, "People have always put their hope in restoration." 3 - Give equivocal meanings to the key words in the problem texts that don't support your argument. 4 - Rinse and repeat.
*_"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."_* 2 Timothy 4:3-4
Why wouldn't we want Rob Bell's interpretations of scripture in regards to "salvation", "hell", and "judgement" to be right? I mean really, think about it. Even if he is wrong, shouldn't we want him to be right? Or do we actually look forward to a HUGE number of our fellow humans not ever coming to a knowledge of Jesus' love, grace, and liberating mercy? What causes us to think Rob Bell such a heretic because he "... wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4). Does this make God a heretic too? After all, they both seem to want the same thing. Regardless of what our stance is on universalism, etc., we need to check our motives as to why we so desperately want to uphold and defend a belief that many, many, many will be denied Jesus.
+Richard McKeag One of the best analogies I've ever heard about hell is that it is a room that is locked from the inside. I don't think there will be any "winning over" souls after life on earth ends. I'm a Catholic and what the Catholic Church teaches about this is a person's will becomes fixed at the time of their death. So if they were rebellious toward God in life, they will continue to reject Him in death. likewise if they are a friend of God before death by God's grace they will remain with Him eternally.
I'm curious as to how a Catholic theologian or philosopher would defend the belief that "a person's will becomes fixed at the time of their death." How would you defend that belief? Will we be any less human after death? If so, what will it be that makes us less human? If not, then why would our wills be fixed? After all, it seems like one of the aspects of our essence that makes up our "humanness" is the fact that we do not have a fixed will but make choices. If our ability to make an informed choice is taken from us or inhibited in some way after death, it seems we'd lose a major aspect of our humanness. What would we be then? Would we still be us? I mean, would I still be me? And if I'm not fully me, the me that rejected or ignored Christ during my lifetime on earth, then why am "I" being punished? After all, it's not really me. How can I be accountable for the rejection that I continue commit after death? A major theological problem with this view is that if my will were to be fixed after death, I could not be held accountable for further (everlasting) rejection and that would severely contradict or call into question the justice of God. Again, I raise the question: even if Rob Bell is wrong, shouldn't we hope that he's right? Do we really want to believe that a HUGE number of people, people just like us, will be rejected Christ for all eternity? What would be our motivation for that? If I commit to some version of universalism, will that make me any less a Christ follower?
+Brad Barrett Let me look into that for you, But my initial thought on the whole "fixed will upon death" thing is that our lives on Earth is THE test. We know that human beings are different than other known creations of God. For instance, angels are creations as well, but they apparently do not have free will as we do. So, if humans are the only known creations that apparently have free will, for what purpose do we have it? Scripture seems to indicate that this life has some sort of significance in determining our disposition toward God. We were created free from sin, but we chose sin, and then had to be saved out of that judgment. Paul talks about "running the race in order to win the prize." Then of course there is the resurrection and judgement day. The dead will rise to be judged for what they did on earth. The goats and the sheep will be separated and the "goats" will be cast into the "lake of fire." If Rob is correct, why all the mumbo jumbo about hell?
Actually it's pretty clear that Angels have freewill as well. That is why some "Chose" to rebel and some chose not to. The choice was just much more obvious for them because they were able to see God face to face not like us who for now "see in a mirror dimly." I believe when we are resurrected we will still have Freewill but to quote one of my professors he said it would be like eating a Tar sandwich.. yes you could eat it by why would you ever want to. Once we see God for who he truly is We will have not desire to do anything but love him.
So no. I would not want someone to lie to me because the truth seems difficult. Why would I want Rob Bell to be right anymore than I would want Jim Jones to be right. Is Rob Bell more loving than God? Am I more loving than God? No!! He has as Rob Bell denies put up with every disgusting sin of mankind and time and time again tried to get mankind to listen to him. You obviously don't think the average person is very bad, but do you think that child murderers are bad? Do we lock them up? Well, God sees the affliction that people suffer in secret here and he will set things right, as he should. He warns and has even made a way in Jesus for a child murderer. His love is far greater than ours and Rob Bells version. God's version gives full forgiveness for the worst crimes. We can instantly be set free and all our sins forgotten. Is that not love? However he will not force us to come to him because he gives us free will. His Way is available to all and he reaches out to those who don't know him, so no one will die suffer unjustly. That is also why he calls us one on one to come to him and secondly to bring others to him. We cannot judge God as unloving when the author of love is calling to us and we reject him. We cannot judge God as unloving when we know the truth and have heard, but turn our back on others and do not call them back to a loving God. It is not God on trial for not being loving enough, it is us!!!!!
*_"And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."_* [Luke 12] *_"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding."_* [Proverbs 9]
The questions posed by the interviewer is exactly what's wrong with the discussions we have about religion. We have way too many people taking religion to literal. The interviewer was wanting Rob Bell to make a blanket black and white, literal answer to every single question. Humans, not only biologically, but also emotionally are way more complex than that. Several questions were asked, answered, then asked again....talk about being accusatory.
Rob Bell: "I begin with the belief that when we shed a tear God shed's a tear." He beings with a stance that is NOT in Scripture. No wonder he is wrong. He didn't even start with Scripture but his own conjecture. SMH. #FalseProphet #WolfInSheepsClothing
To the abused woman! It is not the word of her pastor but what the bible teaches. If her pastor tells her something that she cannot find in the pages of scripture, then she needs to find a body of believers who will. Being abused has nothing to do with it Mr Bell! This is always the cry 'we are on a journey'. We are on a 'Journey' either Heaven or Hell, that is the choice! there is no other final destination. Accept Jesus and have 'ETERNAL' life - simple.
Apostle Paul's clear warning to the church at Rome, Romans 16:17-18 ...''Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.'' How amazingly true that is.
you sound to have a very weak faith. you really don't know what you quoted. you don't know what that actually means do you. your taking a literal approach to that passage and have never once taken the time to understand Paul. Do you really know what a heretic is??!! can you beak diwn a heretic agenda, there motive, can you give me examples of heretics in the bible. can you explain what your litmus test is in determining heresy? or are you one who believes your denomination if the one true faith and others have got it wrong. have you read the book. the bible says in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 to test everything and hold on to what is good. tell me what have you tested in this writing? If not why have you rejected this part of scripture? By this logic, i can call you a heretic because you refuse to test your faiths interpretations?!! this is not the way we treat our brothers and sisters in Christ.. or is it true of what many people have said to me that Christians eat there own. that love is not really in them if you don't eventually assimilate to that way of thinking? i challenge you brother to start really testing what you think and hear. its not a sin to question. if your not allowed to question and test your faith or denomination, that would seem very cult like. especially if your pastor or leader forbids it. really learn what a heretic really is before labeling someone.
for those of you that have not gone to Seminary and want a better understanding of heresy, here's a start. here she is not what you think been wrongfully used especially nowadays: this is a great starting point to better understanding the history of heresy. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy_in_Christianity
Rob Bell has clearly asked questions that are truly in line with the character of YHVH and pushs firmly against the box that nearly 38,000 denominations have placed YHVH in. Rejecting that Gods love is beyond our comprehension, and that the possibility exists that the people who haven't lived as righteously as we have will be punished is where the problem lies, To love others as yourself is about falling on your face before YHVH and begging for him to have mercy on those who have fallen short on this earth. I don't believe what you saw was squirming as much as frustration or even irritation.
The only crime Rob Bell seems to commit is that he is inviting us to question things. We either do that or behave like robots...something God himself never wanted us to be. We should get over the ‘controversy’ and answer some of these tough questions for ourselves. God is big enough to handle that. As Bono says - ‘Don’t walk God across the road like a little old lady.’ Franklin Graham calls Bell a heretic. Maybe he is is, or not. But in the end, we need to face the question - ‘Do we love God or not? If we love God than we love Christ.
If you actually READ THE BOOK Love Wins, you'll see Rob Bell DOES NOT say everyone will go to heaven. There is a point in which you may think he does, but when you turn the page, you see he has a orthodox view of who enters heaven.
+Yochanan TrueBiblicalChristianblog when you ask "tough" questions - you are supposed to listen to the answer... not ignore the answer and then ask it again. MSNBC need to find a journalist that listens. The best interviewing happens when the interviewer listens to the interviewee.
+Jayden Lawson the questioned ask was simple. can a person be accepted into Heaven without accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior. All Bell had to say is No only Christ is the way to Heaven. However Bell wouldn't say that. It's a simple answer! False light all the way is the game Bell is playing. You're sticking up for a man who won't state the truth. Believe me, the Christians who know the true light, know that even you are being a false light for sticking up for anything that does not match what the word of God says about hell.
Yes, when the "far left" media attacks what we don't like and thereby confirms our mental conditioning we can change our tune about the purveyors of "fake news". Gotta love that !
@@JaydenLawson Martin repeats his questions bcz Bell is not answering, Bell is just dancing around the questions but not giving a straight answer, and unfortunately for him, Martin is not Oprah, Martin demands straight answers
This was an ambush. I don't claim to agree with all of Rob Bell's teachings, but these were bait questions. They were asked in attack, not seeking discussion. Quoting a scathing review from a critic and asking the author if it's true, attacking his personhood-asking if the book is a wrestling with his childhood, as of that somehow made it less-treating him less than human because he didn't give the "right" answer to the many loaded questions that were asked. I would love to hear this man answer that first question with a satisfactory answer. Love Wins does not create a gospel that is palatable, it wrestles with a gospel that is bigger than saying a prayer at the alter. It's more about what we do as children of God, rather than who has the password to the gate. This is not journalism happening here, this is ambush.
This reporter insists on asking bad questions that will only get him the answers he wants. He isn't looking for insight, he wants vindication for his own narrow belief.
Christ said the path to eternal life is narrow while the path to destruction is broad. There are many ways to tell a lie, but only one way to tell the truth. Jesus is The Way, The Truth, and The Life and nobody comes to the Father buy by Him. There is no other name under Heaven by which we must be saved. Christ was very clear about hell being a real place for the unrepentant who reject God's love and forgiveness through Christ. It seems Bell is uncomfortable with the idea of hell and sin, but the Bible is our authority as Christians and should guide our beliefs so we are not lead astray since our "feelings" are subjective and liable to change.
The interviewer did a good job. He boldly brought this man's false belief into the light! For all of you sensitive "Christians" - don't mistake boldness for aggressiveness. We are to stand for the biblical truth. Sola scriptura
Martin Bashir is obnoxious here. In the parable of the sheep and the goats, Jesus was clear that people who went to heaven are those who took care of the least of these. Those who went to hell were those that ignored Christ by ignoring the least of these. Jesus also used the Good Samaritan as an example. The religious leader walked right by the sick person while the non-religious Samaritan took care of that person. According to Christ, actions will speak louder than words on judgment day. I think this is also at the heart of Rob Bell's message, and Martin Bashir acts like a Bible know-it-all when he isn't even a Christian.
Are you suggesting that in Matthew 25:31-46, Christ is saying that those who did these good deeds are saved by their works? That would be contrary to scripture. What is in line with scripture is that these good deeds are a byproduct of a reformed condition - that they were done by the sheep/saints naturally, according to the new nature they received when they were saved, and that they were saved only by faith in Christ. He does not sit them at His right hand because they did good, but because they are His by the faith they exercised in Him as their Lord and Savior, and that they were known by their works (Matthew 12:33-35). To merely 'do' good works is not enough (Isaiah 64:6; Ephesians 2:8-9) to be set apart on that day described in Matthew 25, but only by grace through faith in Christ can we sit at His right side (John 14:6).
coswyn James 1: 14-19 " What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can this kind of faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacks daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm and eat well,” but you do not give them what the body needs, what good is it? 17 So also faith, if it does not have works, is dead being by itself. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith without works and I will show you faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; well and good. Even the demons believe that-and tremble with fear." Mathew 5: 16 "n the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven." If you have love in your heart, it will show in your action. The bible says God is love. 1 John 4: 8 "Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love."
Rob does a great job not feeding into to the interviewer's bating tactic. He is honest and sincere, and yes EVERY Christian questions and struggles and delights and rejoices in the words of the bible. It has been edited and much redacted and translated for hundreds of years, but the message stands strong and that is: God is here, within us and around us, and he wants us to be happy, and useful and whole. Love you neighbor as yourself...but certainly love yourself! If the message of Jesus is not love and tolerance and redemption through struggle...then I don't know what it is. Thank you Rob.
Oh bits of truth which are in the bible, but then leave out all of what he doesn't like or understand. Not a problem to have questions, but very wrong to criticize the bible, deny what Jesus said, make your own religion, and teach it to others when you don't understand what God says. God says a lot about false teachers, rebellion, lying ect. His good intentions mean nothing if he is denying what the bible teaches to spout a false love. God is love not Rob Bell. He doesn't like the kind of love that God gives us, by warning us of judgment and hell and calling us to safety in his Son.
Hi Karl, Hope you're well. You can't simply answer questions with yes or no all the time, you know? The Bible isn't black and white. Scriptures say God hardened the Pharaoh's heart... But it also says the Pharaoh hardened his own heart... If one of your church members asked you, "Who then hardened the Pharoah's heart..." you couldn't really give them a terse answer... Or when scripture said, "God hated Esau" in Romans 9 Let's say a member of your church approached you and says..., "So God hates people before they do anything good or bad, almost using them as a potter frivolously uses clay, however he wishes?" (ref. to Romans 9) It'd be hard to answer that question in one or two words, you know? The questions people ask Rob Bell frequently are like this. It's unfair to Rob Bell to expect terse, aphoristic responses from him when there's really WAY more to it. God is super complex, so are the scriptures; that's why we have so many sects... it just goes to show how awesome and complex he really is. I'm curious to hear your thoughts! Thanks!
This guy is like a Joel Osteen, he doesn't want to stand up for what the bible says in fear of offending man. The fear of man bringeth a snare. Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
+Jesse Clark "fear of offending man" is a sure sign that a man is not following God. John 12: 43 "for they loved human praise more than praise from God." Moreover, fear of offending man is what made these popular preachers rich to begin with. We know how the world feels about money.
+Lea Leandre;+Jesse Clark I don't think either Bell or Osteen fear offending people. What I do fear is the use of believeth - what century is that from?
Modern Day translation from NASB ( ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.
Wow, that's a good question. I wonder what he thinks on that too. Hmmmm... I think he'd see it as one viable option, but then mention the verse from Timothy that God wishes for all to be saved. He'd probably admit that they conflict, but there are many scriptures that conflict...what do we do with them? we're forced to pray and use our best judgement on these, you know? He touches on this in Velvet Elvis. That book easily, along with the Ragamuffin Gospel were the two most influential books in my Christian life. Take care!
well they don't contradict so much as some may think.. When its stated in 2 peter 3:9 for instance that he desires all to come to repentance, hes talking about his patience with the elect of God if you read it in context. As for timothy, God does desire all to be saved but we know not all will be saved so its not so much a description of God's will as much as something He desires. Its the same as we read in Ezekiel 33:11- As I live,' saith the Lord GOD, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live.'" Will they perish? Yes, because God punishes the sinner who is not covered in the blood of Christ:... timothy is a sentiment that doesn't negate the truth of election. Good thoughts my friend.
Wow, Rob Bell did an excellent job of keeping his cool and keeping Christian values to a very (in my opinion) rude and intrusive interviewer who (again, in my opinion,) was very closed off and steadfast in his closed minded opinions. I'm very impressed with Rob Bell after watching this video and not at all discouraged in his words or beliefs.
Bashir obviously has not read the book and is simply citing criticisms that the critics of this book have brought up. I don't know why there's this whole ethos about Christians and pastors that they have to have all of the answers. The Bible is a book written by people who have been inspired to give their take on who and what God is and what that means for the rest of us. As someone who has read the book and struggled with these big questions I can say this: Being a person of any faith is not about having all the black and white answers to grey questions, as Rob says himself, no one has died and come back to tell us what it's like or if there's anything that exists beyond this life. It's about having a dialogue to get to the root of why these questions exist at all and how we respond to them either out of openness and dialogue or out of fear and judgement. Rob says we're all just speculating about the afterlife, and that is intrinsically true. This book is about framing these big questions in an open discussion about faith. The bible has nothing to do with science and isn't concerned with proving or disproving anything. Anyone looking to Christianity to give scientific answers backed by quantitative facts is not going to find what they're looking for. Jesus message is pretty simple. Love everyone as you would like to be loved and through your actions and love for others make this world a better place because you have lived in it. Fundamentalist Christianity has hijacked the message of Jesus and made it into something it was not, and was never intended to be. That's what Rob is trying to say. No squirming here. Bashirs just a person trying to put words in people's mouths, while missing the entire point of what Jesus was about; love, forgiveness, empathy, acceptance. Missing the point that Jesus wasn't trying to give a scientific discourse about the way things are. Jesus was trying to tell us how things could be if we acted out of love and selflessness to our fellow human beings.
After the interview, Rob Bell stood up and reached over the desk to shake Bashir’s hand and says “We can still be friends”, to which Bashir ignores Rob Bell, does not shake his hand, and says “Get - out of here”, and Rob Bell is asked to leave. What a dick
@@OnDistantShores you don't understand. The host was anxiously waiting for this interview to happen to account this man for the false Gospel that he is spreading. The host as a christian did his duty well. Salute
@@dovybar Nah I think you don't understand. It doesn't matter what side he was on or what point he wanted to make. It doesn't even matter if he's right or not. If he had a perspective, he should just share it. Don't set up an interview and not actually listen to the ideas of the person you're interviewing.
@@OnDistantShoresthis interview was probably the only chance to get this man to listen to this very important criticism. Interview or not, whatever chance to get them publicly rebuked, not to insult, but so that all those people following him would hear the truth. Peace
Bible commands us to stand for the truth of God's word, not letting any of the "little ones" be driven away by false teaching. That was I believe the interviewer's real intent. And biblical truth covers everything what he said to that "pastor"
He's a Wolf in Wolves clothing. Hopefully its Obvious this fraud has no clue what he's talking about. he makes me sick. Such a fraud . God wrath is coming.
mabellehardie Jesus already told us this would happen. This is confirmation that His word is true. All the people who say the bible is a myth no longer have an excuse.
The thoughts shared are all very relevant. What I have read and studied and prayed over in the gospels with what Jesus Christ says, does not line up with the indirect, dodgy answers that Rob Bell answers with. When we are talking about the Bible and the word of God, the word is final. God is perfect and gets it right the first time. So we don't need to alter the word in even a slight way that would indicate the work of the devil, like when the devil tried using the word of God against Jesus by tempting Him in the desert while fasting for 40 days. The devil is tricky, cunning even. Martin Bashir was aggressive and I can see that turning people off as Rob Bell was patient and respectful. Rob as a teacher/pastor must know the importance of bringing the correct message of the gospel. False gospels taught that bring people away from God's truth are going to be weighed heavily in judgment on such teachers. We must pray for Rob and Martin, that they receive more clarity, truth and sensitivity to the Holy Spirit.
"The gospel of the grace of God awakens an intense longing in human souls and an equally intense resentment, because the truth that it reveals is not palatable or easy to swallow. There is a certain pride in people that causes them to give and give, but to come and accept a gift is another thing. I will give my life to martyrdom; I will dedicate my life to service- I will do anything. But do not humiliate me to the level of the most hell-deserving sinner and tell me that all I have to do is accept the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ" (Oswald Chambers).
+Jayden Lawson see God is not a God of confusion and if we open up if word is plain and simple. Throughout the Bible old testament and new testament God tells you exactly what is required of us. This man says God's word isn't complete, not true. When Jesus died on the cross he said it is finished. His new covenant was to save us from Hell and to give your life to Christ. There is no condemnation if we choose Jesus as our Lord and Savior, but choosing the ways of this world Hell is definitely your destination plain and simple. This man is a false teacher of the Gospel, and people first will be tricked in buying his book instead of opening the Bible which is free and get the truth.
+Tishaun Ridley thanks for your perspective - I do appreciate it. When you say that rob says that God's work isn't complete - I think you may be misunderstanding that. Obviously the work of the people who wrote the stories from the Bible is complete. But I think what Rob would mean is that God has always been at work in human history. God is helping and restoring and caring, and shedding tears for humanity in this very moment right now. You believe that right? That God is active today? So... that's the first point, which I'm sure you agree with Rob on there.
+Tishaun Ridley as Rob states in the video - your second point delves in to the places and experiences that are very, very messy. Like he says - he talked with a lady who was abused by her church Minister. The one who is supposed to be loving her and helping her based on the teachings of Jesus. If that is the kind of person that following Jesus creates - then I'd say that lady will have a hard time believing anything about Jesus. So there are many, many variants in the human experience that must allow other ways for people to live forever. What about the billions of people that have never heard of Jesus, or the Bible? What happens there?
+Jayden Lawson oh most definitely. He is not sleep, but his standard has already been set. I have an unseen partner called the Holy Spirit living on the inside of me, and every second of the day he guides me. The problem is a lot of us don't know the power of the Holy Spirit and we don't tap into the Spirit to leaf us. For thousands of years we have been in a spiritual battle with God and Satan. We leave it up to our own understanding and that's where confusion and destruction comes in. Good speaking with you.....Be BLESSED I love you in Christ😊
Rob Bell did not 'squirm' in this interview. He responded with patience and faith. I love his teaching on the Love of God, which will always be unending : Eph 3:18 - "And I pray that you will have the power to understand the greatness of Christ’s love and that you can understand how wide and how long and how high and how deep that love is." Nobody knows what eternity will bring and Rob Bell brilliantly reminds us that it is how we live now that will determine how we will live in eternity where "Your gates will always stand open, they will never be shut, day or night, Isiah 60:11. I love that he believes that God's love is all powerful and will triumph even over evil. I believe that too. That is my God of salvation and what Jesus came to tell us. It is so unpleasant to see all these quarrelsome, nastly comments and discussions on the internet, some perhaps by Christians. Let us live and let live and agree to disagree but the only thing that matters is how we can love one another with God's help to stand against hatered and aggression. I stand with anyone on the path of Love, the way of Truth and Life which is Jesus' way - the only way. 1Corinthians 13 covers it all for all of us: "If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."
+Judith Powell How about this.... "Don't fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who can destroy the body an soul in hell" Matt 10:28
+Ricky I love these games where we just throw out verses from the Bible. It's like Scriptural Scrabble(TM). The more obscure the passage the more points you get! I'll throw mine in, even though it's not from The Bible but from an early church father (a doctor of the church, in fact) and saint. St. Cyril of Jerusalem wrote, "We explain not what God is, but candidly confess that we have no exact knowledge concerning Him. For in what concerns God, to confess our ignorance is the best knowledge." It's sad how ignorant we are of the intellectual tradition of the early church. The Bible is a signpost. It is a record of divine encounters. It is not a collection of witty one liners.
+Judith Powell Agreed - he didn't squirm. He answered each question, and the interviewer obviously wasn't listening, because he asked the same questions again, to which he received the same answers! I'd say the interviewer was the one squirming
Here's the problem. You believe in the authority of scripture I see, based on your use of them as evidence of God's love. The problem is Jesus speaks about hell as a real place. One that no one wants to go to. Further he speaks about it more than the rest of the Biblical authors combined. Further still, he speaks of hell 3 times more than he does heaven. "Wide is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who find it." Remember the sermon on the mount. "Many" are said to find the way to destruction, "Few" the way to righteousness." Rob ignores the data rather than engaging it. "Nobody knows what eternity will bring," you stated. Did Jesus know? Did he at least know more than anyone else, if he didn't have exhaustive knowledge? Why ignore what Jesus of all people has to say on that subject?
Rob Bell: "There are people who have questions and hunches and... really struggling with *this*" That's a pretty accurate description of himself. That he has no mechanism to submit his own hunches to a higher authority, but feels compelled to interpret his hunches as theology and teach it to his congregation, is not proof of his higher wisdom but only a consequence of his position in his church.
Why hasn't an interviewer asked him the obvious " but what if a person doesn't want to go to heaven?" do they have a choice? Rob speaks of freedom and making free choices. C.S Lewis made a wonderful point: we imagine hell to be a place where people are trying to claw their way out, but God is stepping on their toes not allowing them to. Instead Hell is simply the extension of their own decision and choices to not to want to submit to God or have a relationship with Him. If a person has no desire for God here, why would we assume they would in the afterlife?
***** Michael, evil has a way of making its way into the lives of even those who have good intentions. those who killed for religious reasons we're also formulating their own theories not following the true teachings of the Bible. you sound a lot like me before I actually educated myself and became a believer. I spoke on things I didn't know about and oh how very ignorant I was, thinking the little bits of information I had heard or seen could be used to complete a theory I so strongly believed. I was humbled when I was wrong. but I accepted that I was wrong and vowed to never speak ignorantly again. if it isn't something Im educated in,I choose to say nothing at all.
***** This is an absolute cop-out. Atheism is either the outcome or the determinate of a philosophy/worldview. Communism is atheistic, ergo it has as much in common with your professed belief as the people who oversaw the inquisition were of mine. Switching the definition in order to absolve yourself of an asinine argument doesn't make you smart, it makes you a hypocrite. Furthermore, if you want to talk about religiosity among the prison population, you may also want to consider the high suicide rate amongst people with atheistic, agnostic or otherwise secular beliefs. ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=177228 Can't say I was surprised by the findings of this study when I first read it. In my own experience, most atheists were either compulsive drunken morons or depressingly fatalistic pseudo-philosophers.
hellsunicorn Lol. The title of "Atheist" is given to those who answer none when asked if they believe in a god. If you want to push it so far as to call it a worldview then go for it. I will give in and say that a lot of atheist's might be more prone to suicide but is that really surprising. When you have a belief it makes life feel and seem better. Personally I don't need to drink that kool aid to be successful. Besides from what I have seen religion has a terrible side affect of feelings of un-earned superiority
Kudos to Rob Bell for being one of the first pastors brave enough to talk about Apocatastasis and bring it into public discourse. There is much more evidence in scripture than points to ultimate reconciliation than eternal torture.
Could you share those passages and be specific. Been reading the Bible for 50+ years now, problem is i've never read or have seen what you are saying. Would love to see the passages. And the reference to Mr. Bell saying some will come to God after they dye. Reading the bible: Heb 9:27) And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, It seems to matter what you do in this life time. Sure one might be in Sheol as we read about in Luke 16, where the unrighteous dead are being held until the final judgement and the waiting room sounds pretty bad, The descriptions of hell are far worse... Anyway would love to see something that says those who die, not not Born Again as we read in John 3:3, how one can change destinations...
what is apostasy? Rob Bell, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen, to name a few... there is not enough space or time to name them all (besides, I don't know them all)
Each year, Rob Bell, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen teach 100,000's of people about the love of God and the importance of having a relationship with Christ! How many people a year do you bring to Christ? Yeah, I thought so! You are doing nothing but dividing the church! You should stop before God steps in and stops you!
Apostasy is renouncing your faith. Heresy is teaching that goes against Orthodox Bible teaching. Joel Osteen teaches the heretical "prosperity gospel" and Rob Bell seems to teach Universalism, (in spite of his denial here). In what way is Rick Warren heretical?
Oneskeptical Guy Leading 100,000s to Christ through a doctrine that is not biblical is actually leading 100,000s straight to hell. I've led a few to Christ this year, through the Word of God, the inerrant scripture, so I guess I'm a few souls ahead of them both. How about you?
Jeff said: "Leading 100,000s to Christ....is leading them to hell" Jeff, Do you actually believe that Salvation in Christ counts only when its done through your your doctrinal beliefs?
Oneskeptical Guy Not in the least! If salvation were dependent upon MY doctrine, we would all be bound for hell. There is only one doctrine...that of Jesus Christ. He said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." Scripture is full of references contradicting the "all will go to Heaven" doctrine of the Universalist. It is true that all will bow and confess Jesus Christ as Lord...but...some will do so after their death, and some will do so unwillingly. Those will not spend eternity in Heaven, but cast into the lake of fire with Satan and his followers. Again, not my doctrine, but straight from the words of God.
The moment you judge someone is when you give people permission to judge you. The thing is we are all made of the same energy and that is god. You may decide to be a conductor of light, or to spread darkness. Fortunately light is incredibly more powerful. Be light be love be one. We have tried everything else.
Jesus is the light of the world. Satan is an angel of light, deceiver, and a liar from the beginning. He is called the Father of Lies. Coming to Jesus is the only way to have light in you.
That fact that what he’s saying is so true and powerful is a threat to fundamentalism, which is used by those who prefer to use God as a means to control others to their own ends of ego and power, and which depends on bullying in order for it to survive. I don’t know about God, but I would want someone to love me willingly, truthfully and whole heartedly, not because they’re threatened of being tortured if they don’t. I think some fundamentalists were taught to hate. If their fundamentalist parents didn't like aspects of them or certain people, then that hate was contagious, either because they trusted their parent’s authority, without question, or feared being disowned from the clan, simultaneously feeling important when they obeyed. Other fundamentalists didn't get the love they deserved as a child and understandably resented the unreliability of their unlawful parents, and that resentment and need to control an unreliable world, carried over into the rest of life. The same could be said for non fundamentalists. On the one hand, as children they saw the contradiction of religious people who were loving and good and truthful as well as those who were abusive deceiving and controlling, and the pain of that contradiction either caused them to reject religion all together, or to set out on a search for truth and true love over blind conformity.That's where I think Rob is coming from.
"I think some fundamentalists were taught to hate" If fundamentalism teaches people to hate indeed, it has nothing to do with the Christ who instructed His followers to love their neighbor as themselves and love their enemies. Mathew 22: 35-39 " 35 A proud religious law-keeper who knew the Law tried to trap Jesus. He said, 36 “Teacher, which one is the greatest of the Laws?” 37 Jesus said to him, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest of the Laws. 39 The second is like it, ‘You must love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ 40 All the Laws and the writings of the early preachers depend on these two most important Laws.” Mathew 5: 44 " But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," Peace!
Jesus Burgos You spoke the truth. We can disagree with people and still love them. That is the beauty of love and freedom. As long as no one is being harmed. God made us different for His own purpose. Difference is a very good thing. If all of us thought alike, there would be no interesting and meaningful conversations. That would be extremely boring. God's wisdom is always perfect just as He is. May His name be praised forever!
Yes, he is coming from disillusionment but that does not give him room to teach against the bible. Lots of people do things wrong, in the churches and outside of churches. Rob Bell is not more loving than God. Talk is not love. The bible says that God himself is love, his words are fully true and that he cannot lie. God cannot be unloving and Bell accusing him of being unloving is false teaching. God's love is perfect and good. He has done all he can for us and this is the backlash. The bible says that when men refuse to come to God it is because they love sin, otherwise why would people not come to a God so loving.
Squirm ?!! It's rare that we see someone having the screws put to them on live tv by an interviewer with an obvious bias handle it with such joyful exuberance !! LOL
He asks Rob Bell a yes-or-no question. Rob Bell gives a paragraph-long response which doesn't even come close to answering the question. The interviewer was simply calling out the bullcrap in Bell's "religion" He wasn't trying to trap Bell in "false dichotomies", he was simply showing Bell how delusional he really is in his "Love wins" theory
Bell presents a watered down "feel-good" Gospel to appease people, however, the Bible should be our foundation for our beliefs so we are not led astray! Take heed because there are many false prophets who have gone out into the world.
Bell writes a book making claims and is asked nothing more than to reaffirm what he already stated in the book. How is that "a series of accusations"? It just shows that Bell and his kind can't handle any examination of their false claims.
Rob Bell is another feel good fraud like Joel Olsteen. 2Timothy 4:3-4 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.…
*_Widely unknown background to this interview:_* Rob Bell is asked to be interviewed by Bashir. In the green room before the live broadcast on national TV, the producer tells Rob Bell that “Bashir is very spiritual, and he really appreciates your work, and I think you’re going to have a fantastic conversation.” Of course, this puts Bell at ease, thinking it’s going to be a positive, lively discussion. Sadly, it was a deceptive ploy that Bashir used pre-interview. After the interview, Rob Bell stands up and reaches over the desk to shake Bashir’s hand and says “We can still be friends”, to which Bashir ignores Rob Bell, does not shake his hand, and says “Get - out of here”, and Rob Bell is asked to leave. So - while Bashir appears friendly on screen, and thanking Rob Bell at the end, he is actually a very, very different character off screen. Deceitful before the interview, and quite brutal after. It’s a shame to learn the truth. Especially from someone who apparently seeks to find truth via journalism. And for those who say Rob Bell is dodging, or not answering questions, here are his clear answers to every questions asked. *_Question: Is God all-powerful, and he doesn't care? Or he cares, and he’s not all-powerful?_* (Bashir actually gets his own question wrong here... see 1:27 - he asks "God is all-powerful and he cares, or he cares and he's not all powerful?". Good start Martin!). Answer: 1:33 - I think that this is a paradox at the heart of the divine, and some paradoxes are best left exactly as they are. *_Question: Are you a universalist who believes that everyone can go to heaven, regardless to how they respond to Christ on earth?_* Answer: 1:58 In regards to the question "Are you a universalist?", I would say first and foremost - no. *_Question: Is it irrelevant and immaterial about how one responds to Christ in this life in terms of determining ones eternal destiny?_* Answer: 2:41 - I think it’s extraordinarily important. Stupid Bashir isn’t listening, or perhaps he’s not getting the answer “HE” thinks he should receive. So he asks again: *_Question: Is it irrelevant as to how you respond to Christ in your life now to determine your eternal destiny? Is that irrelevant? Is it immaterial?_* Answer: 3:08 It is terribly relevant, and terribly important. Now Bashir’s supreme listening and journalistic skills begin to shine, as he forgets that he just received a clear answer only seconds ago, and asks again: *_Question: Is it irrelevant and immaterial about how you respond to Christ now to determine your eternal destiny? Is that relevant or irrelevant? Does it have a bearing, or does it have no bearing?_* Answer: 4:01 I think it has tremendous bearing. Finally, Bashir realises he needs to go back to listening school, and moves on, as he’s asked the same question three times. *_New question: (about someone else’s critique of the book) That’s true, isn’t it?_* Answer: 4:36 - No, it’s not true. Basher now boldly takes a new angle by not asking the same question three times… and throws a curve-ball by asking a brand new Question: *_So why do you choose for example to accept and promote the works of the early writer Origin, and not for example, Aureus, who took a view of Jesus’ deity as being not God. Why do you select one and not the other?_* Answer: 4:53 - Because first and foremost I’m a pastor… *_Question: The book is unbiblical and historically unreliable. That’s true, isn’t it?_* Answer: 5:38 - No, that’s not true. Basher doesn’t let him even finish 4 words before talking over the top of Rob Bell, and tries to put more words in his mouth. You, my friend, are witnessing journalistic excellence unfold before your very eyes. He finally gets to his next *_“Question”: Here comes Rob Bell - he’s made a Christian Gospel for you, and it’s perfectly palatable, it’s much easier to swallow. That’s what you’ve done isn’t it?_* Answer: 5:56 - No I haven’t *_Question: How much is this book you working out your own childhood experience of being brought up in a fairly cramped evangelical family, and really finding that difficult as you became an adult? How much is this actually that?_* Answer: 6:27 - Oh, I would totally own up to that in a heartbeat. I think we’re all on a journey… *_Video ends. After cameras turn off, Rob Bell goes to shake Bashir’s hand, and see the top of this comment for what happened there._*
Thank you, Rob Bell, for modeling so much clarity, humility, and eloquence. this is what I want to emulate when I am confronted in this way, in so many ways of life. your messages, books, sermons in my Mars Hill days, and Noomas have helped guide me through the scripture and my path to compassion and a life of love. I am so grateful to you.
He's a christian by his own definition, but he's NOT a Christian by Jesus' definition spelled out in the Bible. Sadly, he's leading many down the path to hell, and holding their hand all along the way making them feel good.
"that's what you've done, isn't it?" is no interview question, it is an interrogation
@@matt_h_27 oh good old Jesus love am I right??
william moraes dos santos
Perhaps you need to learn what love actually is.
@@matt_h_27 Me... For sure
That’s how British speakers talk.
You’re projecting your own culture onto someone else. They have a rhetorical way of asking questions - even in pubs, among friends.
IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS, WHAT DOES GODS WORD SAY! THATS ALL THAT MATTERS.
+JOLENE ARMENDARIZ AMen.
Agree
+JOLENE ARMENDARIZ hmmm... good point at the end, but it *does matter* what people say. If people who are in a leadership role in the Church at large (especially people who, like Rob Bell, have an online presence), they have an influence on them. We need people in the Church who are edifying and inspiring people towards what is we should know and understand and do, and we need to be rid of the people who lead people astray (like the Rob Bells of this world). But yes! We must look at what God says prior to judging what others say. Absolutely.
+JOLENE ARMENDARIZ So women can only be saved through child bearing and can't speak in church and you should stone your children when they are disobedient ?
+calum morrison and yet Apollos was taught by Pricilla and she is also the potential author of Hebrews. Women travelled and were taught by Jesus, sat next to him while he ate (which no other cultures of his day did). You are doing the same thing Bell is doing. Namely, grabbing random passages, throwing them up against the wall and walking away like you have said something meaningful. Ignorant of history, culture, exegesis, hermeneutics, but those arguments come off like they were almost original...just kidding! More Richard Dawkins uninformed propaganda. I have story for you written by Hans Christian Andersen, calledThe Emperor's New Clothes! (No Hans isn't one of the authors of the gospels even though he has "Christian" in his name.
I think Rob Bell did a wonderful job... Especially under the circumstances with this guy questioning him the way he does. LOVE WINS!!!!!
Truth wins.
2 timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
Unfortunately, God is not a Universalist and he has more than the attribute of love.God is also Just. When we speak of God's attributes, we are talking about those characteristics that helps us to understand who He truly is. That which follows is a thorough, yet incomplete list and summary of His attributes.
Eternality Mercy
Goodness Omnipotence
Grace Omnipresence
Holiness Omniscience
Immanence Righteousness
Immutability Self-Existence
Justice Sovereignty
Love Transcendence
Jesus speaks of the reality of hell more than any other preacher both in the gospels and his in Revelation.
Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Revelation 21:7-9
7The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. 8But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.” 9Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”…
Matthew 25:46
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Psalm 9:17
17 The wicked go down to the realm of the dead, all the nations that forget God.
2 Thessalonians 1:9
9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
Matthew 13:50
50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Acts 2:27
27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay.
Mark
43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
Jude 1:7
7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Proverbs 15:24
Chapter Parallel Compare
24 The path of life leads upward for the prudent to keep them from going down to the realm of the dead.
Proverbs 23:14
14 Punish them with the rod and save them from death.
Matthew 13:42
42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 23
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Revelation 19:20
20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
2 Peter 2:4
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
Revelation 20:13-14
13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Matthew 10:28
28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Satan wins with Rob Bell’s non-biblical, human wisdom. “Did God really say…?” - Satan.
Rob Bell, the epitome of: 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Rob Bell ignores Jesus warning about hell.
@@sk8ercaligirl But he doesn't ignore Paul's announcement that "every knee shall bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." So, will every knee bow or not?
I don't see Rob squirm at all and he answered the repeated questions clearly
Really misleading headline. You have a ridiculously biased interviewer who obviously didn't read the book being unbelievably hostile to an author / pastor who is being very loving in the face of outright abuse.
But, you don't understand, Kerry; being nice and loving isn't the way a believer is supposed to be. Verbally chiding and judgmental is the way! (Note my sarcasm.)
I totally agree with you Kerry!
Couldn't agree more.
So so true. His first statement was a clear indicator that he didn't read the book. Rob Bell does not state in the book that all go to heaven upon death.
you nailed it man, he obviously did NOT read the book. i found multiple evidences of that. pretty much every person who has made a video trying to go against him is totally misinformed.
Great interview. Except Rob Bell forgot to squirm. Bashir kept repeating his questions after Bell answered them. That was weird. Kind of like he had an agenda. He did remember to tag on, "according to this one reviewer," but it was so obvious that this belligerence toward Bell was his own perspective that he was attempting to hide behind a thin veil of objectivity.
I found the interviewer very hostile. I've never particularly cared for MSNBC or its conservative counterpart Fox News.
+Steve Kiely That's because it was a carefully planned ambush. Little does anyone know, but Rob Bell was lead to believe Bashir was a fan of his work, minutes before the interview, which put him in a relaxed state. Afterwood, Rob Bell went to shake Bashir's hand, to which he refused and told him to "Get... out". Disgusting behaviour.
@@JaydenLawson That handshake story is fake news.
I was waiting for Bell to say, "did you actually read it?" and then we'd see Bashir squirm.
Dude wad an ass hole
This man is not of God anymore the Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton who both claim to be Reverends.
+CrismaFire Agreed! How can Bashir be of God after you watch this!
2 Timothy 4:3-4 "for a time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but have itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suite their own passions, and will turn away from listening to truth and wander off into myths".
LIFT ATHLETICS Amen! Let the truth ring!
What's ironic is that if you believe in eternal conscious torment then you stand condemned by that very verse you quoted. The bible teaches universal reconciliation and for christians to take that glorious gospel and twist it into spiritual terrorism and fear mongering is blasphemous. Hell is a pagan myth and has nothing to do with God.
AMEN
InRealLife the Bible does not teach universal reconciliation. That is the by definition heresy.
It's embarassing that a non-believing reporter can so easily show the poverty of Bell's theology.
The interviewer wasn’t a believer?
He’s asking loaded questions and demanding answers. No matter how you feel about Bell this is not how you interview someone.
He asks Rob Bell a yes-or-no question. Rob Bell gives a paragraph-long response which doesn't even come close to answering the question. The interviewer was simply calling out the bullcrap in Bell's "religion"
Rare level of smugness in the interviewer. Bet he really, really, really likes his mirror.
This was seriously one of the most entertaining interviews I've watched in a long time. And I love that it was on MSNBC.
I find it incredibly disturbing that people are up in arms about someone who teaches what God desires - to the point that they become apologists for eternal torment and mistakenly call it 'good news'.
The Good News is that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for those you will believe so his sinless life is accounted to us and our sins are upon him.
He literally created his own faith in this interview. He denies the inspiration of the Word and downplays it into opinions of others.
Without hell there can't be any good news, without hell what exactly is Jesus the savior saving you from? Without a literal Adam 6,000 years ago who sinned, there is no need for a savior, no literal Adam then there is no need for Jesus.
@@tnoble Wow. You sure love hell, don't you...
Fisrt, Bashir asks Bell to answer a question that has been debated by every single theologian for THOUSANDS of years... and he offers only two possible answers. Stupid!
Then proceeds to ask him to answer yes or no to "why is Christ irrelevant to our salvation/damnation". He wrote an entire friggin book to answer that question, If he thought it could be answered in a few words wouldn't he have just tweeted about it instead...
Bashir asks "Do you think that our response to Christ on Earth is unimportant?" Bell says. "it's incredibly important"
I think that what Bell is saying, is that our response to Christ, while we are living is the MOST important thing. Even if it has literally NOTHING to do with Heaven and Hell.
Why is our response to Christ even a part of the discussion of eternity!?
How childish, to believe that the reason to follow Christ is the reward. It's important because Christ is GOD and worthy of all we have.
finally, I think that using natural disasters as anti theistic propaganda is gross.
Well said.
I can't even watch this. The interviewer won't let him answer, and WILL not accept his answers.
It's so painful to watch. What a terrible interviewer.
lilyylil lpopkelly because he’s wrong
Rob Bell was speaking nonsense, of course he looked like a fool. The interviewer gave him plenty of time to answer his questions. Rob Bell was just ill equipped to answer, and that's the truth. Only those who are ignorant of what the Bible teaches would fall for Rob Bell's nonsense. Ignorance is the quickest way to destruction, and Rob Bell is going to take a lot of folks to a terrible end with this nonsense. I suggest you all read the Bible for yourselves. Actually hear the words and what they mean as you read them aloud to yourself.
Nice! Martin Bashir leads with the age old trilemma. An either or fallacy that assumes two options and only two options. Namely God is not loving, or He is not powerful enough to stop suffering. Problem is the complexity of allowing free will and getting the world a good God would want. There is no logjical problem with allowing evil, even natural evil, given that the God of the Bible rewards people in heaven whom he allowed to be victimized by moral or natural evil on Earth.
When you have everlasting life what does a few years or even decades of suffering compare to endless millennia in paradise. Further Jesus and his disciples were more than willing to suffer next to everyone else. Even more so,
The God of the Bible is not some wet-nurse here to maximize your fulfillment of Maslow's hierarchy. That said Rob Bell is hardly the guy to ask about this problem. Not much of a philosopher and less of a theologian. God doesn't give people free will to reject him, according to Bell.
Then you haven't read the book being discussed. Bell clearly states a few times in his book that even after material death, it is still completely up to the individual to turn to God. He doesn't even begin to hint that God forces anyone. But if you don't believe that Love can melt the hardest of hearts, then you have not been encountered by love. Yet :)
Man was created flesh so all reject God for the flesh cannot please God.
The interviewer is asking all the wrong questions.
MSNBC the leader of Mis-Information Liberal News Media
No he is asking he right questions. All questions are correct. Rob is just lost and not answering it honestly. God is all Love and God is also just. A parent loves his daughter who lied and was disciplined for it. Just is love and love is just. Rob's word is not of God. Rob is trying to win the weak over with lies and will be held responsible for it.
What are you talking. Read the bible correct! The interview brought his false belief into the light!
I think the interviewer did a great job. Trying to get him to stay on point which Rob Bell does not do very well.
Are u sure?
I thought the same thing! I agree Polo!
Has Rob Bell ever given a straight answer?
Epic. How many times does Bell have to give a straight answer and then the interviewer says, "Well which is it? You have not answered." Yet Bell answers every single time.
You are so right. Exactly what I thought in watching.
Rob Bell didn't answer a single question
His answer never actually answered the question, it was this or that and he said "look at this other thing"
I asked a christian philosopher this exact same question. His answer probably shocks you: ua-cam.com/video/hW36D-B-1KY/v-deo.html
Wow Martin Bashir would make an amazing prosecutor. I felt like I was watching someone guilty of a terrible crime bring cross examined.
+symara kaslov the problem is he's supposed to be a journalist. You don't go hunting for the answer you think you want - you hunt for the truth. Repeatedly putting words in other people's mouths is deceitful and the lowest form of journalism.
He was cross examining him because he knew what Rob Bell was saying was a lie!
....Martin was just forcing Bell to revise the facts of what himself wrote on his book....
I so happy he was not soft balled this interview and that gentlemen made him answer him Rob bell has left the true Christian biblical understanding of the word of God
Where does it say in the bible that God will save you when you die? What a cowardly cop out! The only way to heaven is by asking Jesus to forgive your sins and to accept him as your saviour. Christians need to make a stand and even though you may be hated by the world. Stand by what you believe. Not twist it to fit how the world wants to hear it.
+tracey cross It is simple, it doesn't. In fact, it says the opposite.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment(KJV)
To further counter his ideas
II Corinthians 6:2 For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Where did Rob say otherwise? What about those that have never heard of Jesus - what happens to them? What happens to those who have been given a warped view of Jesus - like children that have been abused by Christian Pastors and Priests? What if those children don't want anything to do with the bible because of that, and they unfortunately pass away before they have a chance to be shown the true picture of the Bible? What happens to them?
I guess the real question is which one of those excuses are you using to justify ignoring God in your own mind?
cincyninja None. I'm referring to people who have deep emotional scarring, who don't use excuses, but are legitimately hurt.
Okay, let me ask you this. If you (or anyone for that matter) were molested by a cop when you were a child, then would that mean that no law enforcement would ever have dominion over you if you break the law?
You better go back on Oprah and have easy questions!! Y’all seem to think the same! 🤦🏼♀️
"you're the one making the speculation" OUCH
I agree with the interviewer. The thing is that God is love, yes, but He is also Holy. We have to understand that. For people who don't know who Jesus is, and who don't know about the Bible, God will deal with them in His own way. The other thing is that we can't put God in a box.......God is so vast and so holy, it's hard for us to comprehend Him but if we see who Jesus is, the third Person of the Trinity, then we can begin to understand Who the Father is.
Romans 2: 11-16
" For there is no partiality with God. 12 For all who have sinned apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous before God, but those who do the law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever the Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, these who do not have the law are a law to themselves. 15 They show that the work of the law is written in their hearts, as their conscience bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or else defend them, 16 on the day when God will judge the secrets of human hearts, according to my gospel through Christ Jesus."
***** Read your Bible. The Trinity DOES exist. What YOU are believing in, is a lie.
***** I still believe in the Triune nature of God. Whether you believe in it or not doesn't mean you're saved or unsaved. God bless.
***** There is one God & He has a triune nature. And yes, I believe in Hell. I also believe in Heaven. Jesus talked & warned more about Hell than what He said about Heaven. When I left my first comment, I didn't know that I'd have to deal with your long, drawn-out replies....your "books". Anyway, let's just agree to disagree on this & let it drop for Pete's sake! If you want to have the last word, you can.
A guy on MSNBC is harder and more confrontational than I've seen most christian talk show hosts. Good for you, Martin Bashkir.
Rob Bell doesn’t understand theology. He isn’t making sense. Twisted scripture. God is NOT just a God of love, but rather a God of justice and many times
Wrath
His theology falls short of answering the first question, even the interviewer knows that and gets him right off the bat
There is no way out for Rob Bell, he is trying to solve a contradiction. A contradiction can never be solved, it is an instrinsic impossible situation.
@Benjamin Clark, the Greek verb for sin is "hamartano" it literally means not a part of, not a share of, it's what happened in the hearts of Adam and Eve when they made the choice to go their own way. Its implications are beyond not being perfect, although when one hears "missing the mark" that's what we think. The emphasis of this word is on self-empowerment rather than God empowerment. It's heart says "I can do this myself" I can be like God/a God, call my own shots. The antithesis of this is surrender and reliance on God and His righteousness.
As far as God being an elitist, He gave His Son Jesus for all of humanity-an incredible act of love-the proportions of which we cannot fully grasp. Accepting that sacrifice and calling myself a follower of Christ means I will be a part of and sharer of God's divine love and relationship.
its funny, how is it that martin bashir is the one calling this false prophet out face to face but none of our own are doing it?
Because we are not simply brainwashed robots and we research and found that rob bell IS CORRECT!!!!!
Those of you who say that Bell answered the question must be devotees of Bell. Bashir asks him whether it's relevant how people respond to the Gospel in regards to our salvation and he says "It's incredibly relevant.." but then just follows that up with more questions. And he does this with pretty much every question Bashir asked. His answers were simply echoes of the serpent "Did God really say..."
The word hell was translated from words that all mean Grave, except when it was translated from Gehenna and that word was the name of the garbage dump of a city where things are destroyed and cease to be. Study the original languages, people instead of clinging to hundred year of translations based from false doctrine that was added by the Catholic church.
Thank you!
Nobody seems to understand this horrible Catholic dogma because nobody will actually study it!!!
Nowhere in Scripture does it describe the creation, purpose or avoidance techniques of 'hell'...
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. -ae
People are not good. Some people think they are good, but the bible says "all have sinned". People don't act good because of fear of punishment. That is why we need Jesus. He gives us the Holy Spirit when we come to him as we are and give him our sins. He cleanses the damage of our sin inside us and strengthens us to stay pure. The reward is what he gives us for being his child, as a parent would a child they love and who they have a relationship with. As to understanding punishment, that is a reality he allows us to know. He doesn't hide from us the consequences of sin. How would it be loving for God to not let us know the consequences of turning our back on God's love. Would you not warn your child not to go to a dangerous side of town. You may not describe all the horrors that could happen there, but you may give an overview of why you are warning. It is the relationship with your child that would cause them to believe you and not go there. It is our belief in a God who does not lie that keeps us safe from dangers in this world and the next.
Great interview to show Bell's understanding of the Gospel. Yikes!
The question put to Rob by the host is not an either/or alternative as he suggests i.e., either God cares and is not all powerful or God doesn't care and is all powerful. It is also not axiomatic that the proposition that "Love wins in the end" (which I don't accept necessarily, would make responding to Christ now "irrelevant." The host offers typical antithetical propositions as if they are axiomatic polar extremes one of which must be true. But they are not the only alternatives.
Rob made a powerful statement that was completely skipped over: "Love demands freedom." Love demands a choice. Choices demand consequences. God has given the earth to mankind. Doing so does not mean He is unloving or uninvolved. He is incredibly involved and caring...enough to send His only Son to die! But He also elevated mankind to the position of His Own Image. And He hasn't taken that away. He has not taken every detail of earth's management back to Himself.
Correcting excessive Calvinism and mistaken eschatology (futurism and re-created earth) would give understanding of many of these paradoxes.
+Tim Robinson Great comment. It wasn't a good interview by Bashir. I think he must've thrown that first question in there at the last minute - it was strangely out of place. Not that the rest of the interview was any better! He repeats a question three times, to which he got three clear answers!
I'd rather hear him quote God's word than his little cliché's. God gave us freedom of choice and that contradicts Bell's beliefs. Freedom of choice involves freedom to come to God for salvation which is spoken throughout the old and new testament. Bell believes that the world does not have to come through Christ to God. He says that Love means there is no heaven or hell either. Jesus himself said differently. Bell contradicts on judgment. He says that that it is natural to want justice for the wrongs of the world, but then denies that the consequence of hell can be legitimate, though Jesus was very clear about it. God does not send people to hell. Sin takes mankind to justice which is punishment and God provided the ultimate deliverance from all penalties. That is true love, not Bell's version of love. God calling people to himself and then providing the Way to get to himself is perfection. God warning us that false teachers will be used by the devil to keep you from the truth and try to trick you, is love. Preserving his Word so that we do not have to depend on other men to teach us the truth, is love. Calling all men to bring the truth to others and be kind, is love. God is not on trial for not loving, but lying is not loving.
Rob Bell forgot Righteousness and Justice. His 'god' is not a God of Love but of a form of shallow human emotion and even that is insufficient. A person who killed your wife and children and burns your house down is never caught and no one knows who did it. Where's the Justice? "Vengeance is mine". Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’ And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
He actually did answer the original question.. The original question was a closed question so it requires an indirect answer. We were created in what we call an epistemic distance from God.. the only way we could have been while maintaining free will. So God created and allowed us to do what we want so although like a father that allows his son to make mistakes, God allows us to do the same but that doesn't mean he doesn't care.
He’s allergic to saying the word sin ..
"That's true isn't it?" "That's what you've done haven't you?" Seriously? I value a sort of neutral interviewer that strives at least during the interview to appear indifferent. This guy seems like his goal is to make Bell out to be some sort of heretic which if you follow Rob Bell's fruit that just isn't the case.
That’s how British people ask questions. Or British-English speakers.
He’s not a heretic, if he claims to be a Biblical Christian. He doesn’t.
then maybe Bell should just stick with Oprah....
@@KristiLEvans1 and Michael Kochenburger :-) British News interviewers ask questions in that way when interviewing slippery politicians - and they use the same technique against politicians of all shades of opinion. But British people? Well I'm British and I'm not rude like that - but I might be if I was interviewing a slippery politician :-D
But the interview technique does not work well/fairly in an exploration of ideas (which includes theological ideas). Seeing this interview again I'm not so sure that Bashir does manage to make Rob Bell look stupid (perhaps I've been influenced by the latest revelations about Bashir's consistent unethical behavior as a journalist which has stripped him of credibility). :-)
Rob Bell is in no way a Christian, he doesn't believe in the God of the Bible
Rob Bell does a great job of answering all the questions in this interview, a gruelling examination. To say Bell is being cowardly and copping out is ridiculous.... does it look like he is trying to win friends in this interview? Did he win the hearts and minds of the 5,000 plus people that dropped out of his congregation after he stood up for his convictions? How about the millions who are calling him a heritic? I think he has huge balls and poses the questions and serious discussions that SO many Christians ... and non-christians, and atheists, and ex-christians... have wanted, needed to put out there.
Bell's Method:
1 - Make generic statement about the Bible, "The Bible is about Restoration!"
2 - Make a sun hectic statement about people's feelings, "People have always put their hope in restoration."
3 - Give equivocal meanings to the key words in the problem texts that don't support your argument.
4 - Rinse and repeat.
i thought jesus was pretty explicit about throwing sinners into an eternal fire, how can a pastor just blatantly contradict that message in the bible
*_"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."_*
2 Timothy 4:3-4
Why wouldn't we want Rob Bell's interpretations of scripture in regards to "salvation", "hell", and "judgement" to be right? I mean really, think about it. Even if he is wrong, shouldn't we want him to be right? Or do we actually look forward to a HUGE number of our fellow humans not ever coming to a knowledge of Jesus' love, grace, and liberating mercy? What causes us to think Rob Bell such a heretic because he "... wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4). Does this make God a heretic too? After all, they both seem to want the same thing.
Regardless of what our stance is on universalism, etc., we need to check our motives as to why we so desperately want to uphold and defend a belief that many, many, many will be denied Jesus.
+Richard McKeag One of the best analogies I've ever heard about hell is that it is a room that is locked from the inside. I don't think there will be any "winning over" souls after life on earth ends. I'm a Catholic and what the Catholic Church teaches about this is a person's will becomes fixed at the time of their death. So if they were rebellious toward God in life, they will continue to reject Him in death. likewise if they are a friend of God before death by God's grace they will remain with Him eternally.
I'm curious as to how a Catholic theologian or philosopher would defend the belief that "a person's will becomes fixed at the time of their death." How would you defend that belief?
Will we be any less human after death? If so, what will it be that makes us less human? If not, then why would our wills be fixed? After all, it seems like one of the aspects of our essence that makes up our "humanness" is the fact that we do not have a fixed will but make choices. If our ability to make an informed choice is taken from us or inhibited in some way after death, it seems we'd lose a major aspect of our humanness. What would we be then? Would we still be us? I mean, would I still be me? And if I'm not fully me, the me that rejected or ignored Christ during my lifetime on earth, then why am "I" being punished? After all, it's not really me. How can I be accountable for the rejection that I continue commit after death?
A major theological problem with this view is that if my will were to be fixed after death, I could not be held accountable for further (everlasting) rejection and that would severely contradict or call into question the justice of God.
Again, I raise the question: even if Rob Bell is wrong, shouldn't we hope that he's right? Do we really want to believe that a HUGE number of people, people just like us, will be rejected Christ for all eternity? What would be our motivation for that? If I commit to some version of universalism, will that make me any less a Christ follower?
+Brad Barrett Let me look into that for you, But my initial thought on the whole "fixed will upon death" thing is that our lives on Earth is THE test. We know that human beings are different than other known creations of God. For instance, angels are creations as well, but they apparently do not have free will as we do. So, if humans are the only known creations that apparently have free will, for what purpose do we have it? Scripture seems to indicate that this life has some sort of significance in determining our disposition toward God. We were created free from sin, but we chose sin, and then had to be saved out of that judgment. Paul talks about "running the race in order to win the prize." Then of course there is the resurrection and judgement day. The dead will rise to be judged for what they did on earth. The goats and the sheep will be separated and the "goats" will be cast into the "lake of fire." If Rob is correct, why all the mumbo jumbo about hell?
Actually it's pretty clear that Angels have freewill as well. That is why some "Chose" to rebel and some chose not to. The choice was just much more obvious for them because they were able to see God face to face not like us who for now "see in a mirror dimly." I believe when we are resurrected we will still have Freewill but to quote one of my professors he said it would be like eating a Tar sandwich.. yes you could eat it by why would you ever want to. Once we see God for who he truly is We will have not desire to do anything but love him.
So no. I would not want someone to lie to me because the truth seems difficult. Why would I want Rob Bell to be right anymore than I would want Jim Jones to be right. Is Rob Bell more loving than God? Am I more loving than God? No!! He has as Rob Bell denies put up with every disgusting sin of mankind and time and time again tried to get mankind to listen to him. You obviously don't think the average person is very bad, but do you think that child murderers are bad? Do we lock them up? Well, God sees the affliction that people suffer in secret here and he will set things right, as he should. He warns and has even made a way in Jesus for a child murderer. His love is far greater than ours and Rob Bells version. God's version gives full forgiveness for the worst crimes. We can instantly be set free and all our sins forgotten. Is that not love? However he will not force us to come to him because he gives us free will. His Way is available to all and he reaches out to those who don't know him, so no one will die suffer unjustly. That is also why he calls us one on one to come to him and secondly to bring others to him. We cannot judge God as unloving when the author of love is calling to us and we reject him. We cannot judge God as unloving when we know the truth and have heard, but turn our back on others and do not call them back to a loving God. It is not God on trial for not being loving enough, it is us!!!!!
MSNBC does have some intellect on the staff who does his research well
*_"And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."_*
[Luke 12]
*_"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding."_*
[Proverbs 9]
The questions posed by the interviewer is exactly what's wrong with the discussions we have about religion. We have way too many people taking religion to literal. The interviewer was wanting Rob Bell to make a blanket black and white, literal answer to every single question. Humans, not only biologically, but also emotionally are way more complex than that. Several questions were asked, answered, then asked again....talk about being accusatory.
The Bible is literal, otherwise you might as well throw it out the window
Bravo, Mr. Martin Bashir.
Rob Bell: "I begin with the belief that when we shed a tear God shed's a tear." He beings with a stance that is NOT in Scripture. No wonder he is wrong. He didn't even start with Scripture but his own conjecture. SMH. #FalseProphet #WolfInSheepsClothing
This is basically how most religious people argue when they defend their religion, they only can hide it better.
To the abused woman! It is not the word of her pastor but what the bible teaches. If her pastor tells her something that she cannot find in the pages of scripture, then she needs to find a body of believers who will. Being abused has nothing to do with it Mr Bell! This is always the cry 'we are on a journey'. We are on a 'Journey' either Heaven or Hell, that is the choice! there is no other final destination. Accept Jesus and have 'ETERNAL' life - simple.
Apostle Paul's clear warning to the church at Rome, Romans 16:17-18 ...''Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.''
How amazingly true that is.
This summarizes it all!
you sound to have a very weak faith. you really don't know what you quoted. you don't know what that actually means do you. your taking a literal approach to that passage and have never once taken the time to understand Paul. Do you really know what a heretic is??!! can you beak diwn a heretic agenda, there motive, can you give me examples of heretics in the bible. can you explain what your litmus test is in determining heresy? or are you one who believes your denomination if the one true faith and others have got it wrong. have you read the book. the bible says in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 to test everything and hold on to what is good. tell me what have you tested in this writing? If not why have you rejected this part of scripture? By this logic, i can call you a heretic because you refuse to test your faiths interpretations?!! this is not the way we treat our brothers and sisters in Christ.. or is it true of what many people have said to me that Christians eat there own. that love is not really in them if you don't eventually assimilate to that way of thinking? i challenge you brother to start really testing what you think and hear. its not a sin to question. if your not allowed to question and test your faith or denomination, that would seem very cult like. especially if your pastor or leader forbids it. really learn what a heretic really is before labeling someone.
for those of you that have not gone to Seminary and want a better understanding of heresy, here's a start. here she is not what you think been wrongfully used especially nowadays: this is a great starting point to better understanding the history of heresy. 1 Thessalonians 5:21
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy_in_Christianity
Rob Bell has clearly asked questions that are truly in line with the character of YHVH and pushs firmly against the box that nearly 38,000 denominations have placed YHVH in. Rejecting that Gods love is beyond our comprehension, and that the possibility exists that the people who haven't lived as righteously as we have will be punished is where the problem lies, To love others as yourself is about falling on your face before YHVH and begging for him to have mercy on those who have fallen short on this earth. I don't believe what you saw was squirming as much as frustration or even irritation.
What you said doesn't line up with scripture
The only crime Rob Bell seems to commit is that he is inviting us to question things. We either do that or behave like robots...something God himself never wanted us to be. We should get over the ‘controversy’ and answer some of these tough questions for ourselves. God is big enough to handle that. As Bono says - ‘Don’t walk God across the road like a little old lady.’ Franklin Graham calls Bell a heretic. Maybe he is is, or not. But in the end, we need to face the question - ‘Do we love God or not? If we love God than we love Christ.
If you actually READ THE BOOK Love Wins, you'll see Rob Bell DOES NOT say everyone will go to heaven. There is a point in which you may think he does, but when you turn the page, you see he has a orthodox view of who enters heaven.
Repent Rob Bell.
I appreciate the MSNBC asking "tough" questions, especially when it's such a far-left network.
+Yochanan TrueBiblicalChristianblog when you ask "tough" questions - you are supposed to listen to the answer... not ignore the answer and then ask it again. MSNBC need to find a journalist that listens. The best interviewing happens when the interviewer listens to the interviewee.
+Jayden Lawson the questioned ask was simple. can a person be accepted into Heaven without accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior. All Bell had to say is No only Christ is the way to Heaven. However Bell wouldn't say that. It's a simple answer! False light all the way is the game Bell is playing. You're sticking up for a man who won't state the truth. Believe me, the Christians who know the true light, know that even you are being a false light for sticking up for anything that does not match what the word of God says about hell.
Yes, when the "far left" media attacks what we don't like and thereby confirms our mental conditioning we can change our tune about the purveyors of "fake news". Gotta love that !
@@JaydenLawson Martin repeats his questions bcz Bell is not answering, Bell is just dancing around the questions but not giving a straight answer, and unfortunately for him, Martin is not Oprah, Martin demands straight answers
This was an ambush. I don't claim to agree with all of Rob Bell's teachings, but these were bait questions. They were asked in attack, not seeking discussion. Quoting a scathing review from a critic and asking the author if it's true, attacking his personhood-asking if the book is a wrestling with his childhood, as of that somehow made it less-treating him less than human because he didn't give the "right" answer to the many loaded questions that were asked. I would love to hear this man answer that first question with a satisfactory answer. Love Wins does not create a gospel that is palatable, it wrestles with a gospel that is bigger than saying a prayer at the alter. It's more about what we do as children of God, rather than who has the password to the gate. This is not journalism happening here, this is ambush.
This reporter insists on asking bad questions that will only get him the answers he wants. He isn't looking for insight, he wants vindication for his own narrow belief.
Christ said the path to eternal life is narrow while the path to destruction is broad. There are many ways to tell a lie, but only one way to tell the truth. Jesus is The Way, The Truth, and The Life and nobody comes to the Father buy by Him. There is no other name under Heaven by which we must be saved. Christ was very clear about hell being a real place for the unrepentant who reject God's love and forgiveness through Christ. It seems Bell is uncomfortable with the idea of hell and sin, but the Bible is our authority as Christians and should guide our beliefs so we are not lead astray since our "feelings" are subjective and liable to change.
The interviewer did a good job. He boldly brought this man's false belief into the light!
For all of you sensitive "Christians" - don't mistake boldness for aggressiveness. We are to stand for the biblical truth. Sola scriptura
Amen!!!
Whatever a person fears they deny.
so, that's why so many male evangelicals deny their homosexuality .... okay
bashir would not have handled me like that. and rob means well, but when you don't speak your truth it's like punching the wind.
I thought Rob handled that brilliantly, he is way ahead of those stuck in reformed theology.
Martin Bashir is obnoxious here. In the parable of the sheep and the goats, Jesus was clear that people who went to heaven are those who took care of the least of these. Those who went to hell were those that ignored Christ by ignoring the least of these. Jesus also used the Good Samaritan as an example. The religious leader walked right by the sick person while the non-religious Samaritan took care of that person. According to Christ, actions will speak louder than words on judgment day. I think this is also at the heart of Rob Bell's message, and Martin Bashir acts like a Bible know-it-all when he isn't even a Christian.
Are you suggesting that in Matthew 25:31-46, Christ is saying that those who did these good deeds are saved by their works? That would be contrary to scripture. What is in line with scripture is that these good deeds are a byproduct of a reformed condition - that they were done by the sheep/saints naturally, according to the new nature they received when they were saved, and that they were saved only by faith in Christ. He does not sit them at His right hand because they did good, but because they are His by the faith they exercised in Him as their Lord and Savior, and that they were known by their works (Matthew 12:33-35). To merely 'do' good works is not enough (Isaiah 64:6; Ephesians 2:8-9) to be set apart on that day described in Matthew 25, but only by grace through faith in Christ can we sit at His right side (John 14:6).
coswyn James 1: 14-19
" What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can this kind of faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacks daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm and eat well,” but you do not give them what the body needs, what good is it? 17 So also faith, if it does not have works, is dead being by itself. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith without works and I will show you faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; well and good. Even the demons believe that-and tremble with fear."
Mathew 5: 16
"n the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven."
If you have love in your heart, it will show in your action. The bible says God is love.
1 John 4: 8
"Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love."
Rob does a great job not feeding into to the interviewer's bating tactic. He is honest and sincere, and yes EVERY Christian questions and struggles and delights and rejoices in the words of the bible. It has been edited and much redacted and translated for hundreds of years, but the message stands strong and that is: God is here, within us and around us, and he wants us to be happy, and useful and whole. Love you neighbor as yourself...but certainly love yourself! If the message of Jesus is not love and tolerance and redemption through struggle...then I don't know what it is.
Thank you Rob.
Oh bits of truth which are in the bible, but then leave out all of what he doesn't like or understand. Not a problem to have questions, but very wrong to criticize the bible, deny what Jesus said, make your own religion, and teach it to others when you don't understand what God says. God says a lot about false teachers, rebellion, lying ect. His good intentions mean nothing if he is denying what the bible teaches to spout a false love. God is love not Rob Bell. He doesn't like the kind of love that God gives us, by warning us of judgment and hell and calling us to safety in his Son.
To wrong questions, no right answer is possible. Bashir’s question suffered from giving only two, wrong, choices.
Man am I getting sick of Christian pastors and their evasive non answers to direct questions. And I am a Christian Pastor!!
Hi Karl,
Hope you're well.
You can't simply answer questions with yes or no all the time, you know?
The Bible isn't black and white.
Scriptures say God hardened the Pharaoh's heart...
But it also says the Pharaoh hardened his own heart...
If one of your church members asked you, "Who then hardened the Pharoah's heart..." you couldn't really give them a terse answer...
Or when scripture said, "God hated Esau" in Romans 9
Let's say a member of your church approached you and says..., "So God hates people before they do anything good or bad, almost using them as a potter frivolously uses clay, however he wishes?" (ref. to Romans 9)
It'd be hard to answer that question in one or two words, you know? The questions people ask Rob Bell frequently are like this. It's unfair to Rob Bell to expect terse, aphoristic responses from him when there's really WAY more to it. God is super complex, so are the scriptures; that's why we have so many sects... it just goes to show how awesome and complex he really is. I'm curious to hear your thoughts! Thanks!
Wow, we really got to pray that people get out of his church.. My heart is broken for them!
This guy is like a Joel Osteen, he doesn't want to stand up for what the bible says in fear of offending man. The fear of man bringeth a snare. Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
+Jesse Clark "fear of offending man" is a sure sign that a man is not following God. John 12: 43 "for they loved human praise more than praise from God." Moreover, fear of offending man is what made these popular preachers rich to begin with. We know how the world feels about money.
+Lea Leandre;+Jesse Clark I don't think either Bell or Osteen fear offending people. What I do fear is the use of believeth - what century is that from?
I never thought I'd find a Christian theologian who could make me want to yell at the screen more than Bart Ehrman.
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Revelation 3:16
“So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”
Modern Day translation from NASB ( ‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.
I take it Rob Bell rejects the doctrine of Election. lol
Wow, that's a good question. I wonder what he thinks on that too.
Hmmmm... I think he'd see it as one viable option, but then mention the verse from Timothy that God wishes for all to be saved. He'd probably admit that they conflict, but there are many scriptures that conflict...what do we do with them? we're forced to pray and use our best judgement on these, you know? He touches on this in Velvet Elvis. That book easily, along with the Ragamuffin Gospel were the two most influential books in my Christian life. Take care!
well they don't contradict so much as some may think.. When its stated in 2 peter 3:9 for instance that he desires all to come to repentance, hes talking about his patience with the elect of God if you read it in context. As for timothy, God does desire all to be saved but we know not all will be saved so its not so much a description of God's will as much as something He desires. Its the same as we read in Ezekiel 33:11- As I live,' saith the Lord GOD, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live.'" Will they perish? Yes, because God punishes the sinner who is not covered in the blood of Christ:... timothy is a sentiment that doesn't negate the truth of election. Good thoughts my friend.
yep!
Wow, Rob Bell did an excellent job of keeping his cool and keeping Christian values to a very (in my opinion) rude and intrusive interviewer who (again, in my opinion,) was very closed off and steadfast in his closed minded opinions. I'm very impressed with Rob Bell after watching this video and not at all discouraged in his words or beliefs.
Rob has had to deal with tons of criticism, and so he has learnt to do it well.
Rob Bell's philosophy is very flawed. Stop blaming the interviewer.
Read the bible. He denies what Jesus said.
Bashir obviously has not read the book and is simply citing criticisms that the critics of this book have brought up. I don't know why there's this whole ethos about Christians and pastors that they have to have all of the answers. The Bible is a book written by people who have been inspired to give their take on who and what God is and what that means for the rest of us. As someone who has read the book and struggled with these big questions I can say this: Being a person of any faith is not about having all the black and white answers to grey questions, as Rob says himself, no one has died and come back to tell us what it's like or if there's anything that exists beyond this life. It's about having a dialogue to get to the root of why these questions exist at all and how we respond to them either out of openness and dialogue or out of fear and judgement. Rob says we're all just speculating about the afterlife, and that is intrinsically true. This book is about framing these big questions in an open discussion about faith. The bible has nothing to do with science and isn't concerned with proving or disproving anything. Anyone looking to Christianity to give scientific answers backed by quantitative facts is not going to find what they're looking for. Jesus message is pretty simple. Love everyone as you would like to be loved and through your actions and love for others make this world a better place because you have lived in it. Fundamentalist Christianity has hijacked the message of Jesus and made it into something it was not, and was never intended to be. That's what Rob is trying to say. No squirming here. Bashirs just a person trying to put words in people's mouths, while missing the entire point of what Jesus was about; love, forgiveness, empathy, acceptance. Missing the point that Jesus wasn't trying to give a scientific discourse about the way things are. Jesus was trying to tell us how things could be if we acted out of love and selflessness to our fellow human beings.
After the interview, Rob Bell stood up and reached over the desk to shake Bashir’s hand and says “We can still be friends”, to which Bashir ignores Rob Bell, does not shake his hand, and says “Get - out of here”, and Rob Bell is asked to leave. What a dick
"That's true isn't it?" Geez, Bashir isn't and interviewer, he's a Inquisitionist; a prosecutor.
Like why even invite the guest? Just say what you think if you don't actually want to do an interview.
@@OnDistantShores you don't understand. The host was anxiously waiting for this interview to happen to account this man for the false Gospel that he is spreading. The host as a christian did his duty well. Salute
@@dovybar Nah I think you don't understand. It doesn't matter what side he was on or what point he wanted to make. It doesn't even matter if he's right or not. If he had a perspective, he should just share it. Don't set up an interview and not actually listen to the ideas of the person you're interviewing.
@@OnDistantShoresthis interview was probably the only chance to get this man to listen to this very important criticism. Interview or not, whatever chance to get them publicly rebuked, not to insult, but so that all those people following him would hear the truth.
Peace
Bible commands us to stand for the truth of God's word, not letting any of the "little ones" be driven away by false teaching. That was I believe the interviewer's real intent. And biblical truth covers everything what he said to that "pastor"
Oh this makes me sick!! He is preaching another Gospel than the one Jesus did!! A wolf in sheep's clothing. He knows nothing about real redemption.
He's a Wolf in Wolves clothing. Hopefully its Obvious this fraud has no clue what he's talking about. he makes me sick. Such a fraud . God wrath is coming.
mabellehardie Jesus already told us this would happen. This is confirmation that His word is true. All the people who say the bible is a myth no longer have an excuse.
Is real redemption really about getting away from hell?
The thoughts shared are all very relevant. What I have read and studied and prayed over in the gospels with what Jesus Christ says, does not line up with the indirect, dodgy answers that Rob Bell answers with. When we are talking about the Bible and the word of God, the word is final. God is perfect and gets it right the first time. So we don't need to alter the word in even a slight way that would indicate the work of the devil, like when the devil tried using the word of God against Jesus by tempting Him in the desert while fasting for 40 days. The devil is tricky, cunning even. Martin Bashir was aggressive and I can see that turning people off as Rob Bell was patient and respectful. Rob as a teacher/pastor must know the importance of bringing the correct message of the gospel. False gospels taught that bring people away from God's truth are going to be weighed heavily in judgment on such teachers. We must pray for Rob and Martin, that they receive more clarity, truth and sensitivity to the Holy Spirit.
"The gospel of the grace of God awakens an intense longing in human souls and an equally intense resentment, because the truth that it reveals is not palatable or easy to swallow. There is a certain pride in people that causes them to give and give, but to come and accept a gift is another thing. I will give my life to martyrdom; I will dedicate my life to service- I will do anything. But do not humiliate me to the level of the most hell-deserving sinner and tell me that all I have to do is accept the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ" (Oswald Chambers).
if Hell isn't an issue for you than follow him......otherwise follow Jesus Christ
+Tishaun Ridley Hell is an issue, and I appreciate Rob's views on it, and I follow Jesus... can you give us a third option? :)
+Jayden Lawson see God is not a God of confusion and if we open up if word is plain and simple. Throughout the Bible old testament and new testament God tells you exactly what is required of us. This man says God's word isn't complete, not true. When Jesus died on the cross he said it is finished. His new covenant was to save us from Hell and to give your life to Christ. There is no condemnation if we choose Jesus as our Lord and Savior, but choosing the ways of this world Hell is definitely your destination plain and simple. This man is a false teacher of the Gospel, and people first will be tricked in buying his book instead of opening the Bible which is free and get the truth.
+Tishaun Ridley thanks for your perspective - I do appreciate it. When you say that rob says that God's work isn't complete - I think you may be misunderstanding that. Obviously the work of the people who wrote the stories from the Bible is complete. But I think what Rob would mean is that God has always been at work in human history. God is helping and restoring and caring, and shedding tears for humanity in this very moment right now. You believe that right? That God is active today? So... that's the first point, which I'm sure you agree with Rob on there.
+Tishaun Ridley as Rob states in the video - your second point delves in to the places and experiences that are very, very messy. Like he says - he talked with a lady who was abused by her church Minister. The one who is supposed to be loving her and helping her based on the teachings of Jesus. If that is the kind of person that following Jesus creates - then I'd say that lady will have a hard time believing anything about Jesus. So there are many, many variants in the human experience that must allow other ways for people to live forever. What about the billions of people that have never heard of Jesus, or the Bible? What happens there?
+Jayden Lawson oh most definitely. He is not sleep, but his standard has already been set. I have an unseen partner called the Holy Spirit living on the inside of me, and every second of the day he guides me. The problem is a lot of us don't know the power of the Holy Spirit and we don't tap into the Spirit to leaf us. For thousands of years we have been in a spiritual battle with God and Satan. We leave it up to our own understanding and that's where confusion and destruction comes in. Good speaking with you.....Be BLESSED I love you in Christ😊
Rob Bell did not 'squirm' in this interview. He responded with patience and faith. I love his teaching on the Love of God, which will always be unending : Eph 3:18 - "And I pray that you will have the power to understand the greatness of Christ’s love and that you can understand how wide and how long and how high and how deep that love is."
Nobody knows what eternity will bring and Rob Bell brilliantly reminds us that it is how we live now that will determine how we will live in eternity where "Your gates will always stand open, they will never be shut, day or night, Isiah 60:11. I love that he believes that God's love is all powerful and will triumph even over evil. I believe that too. That is my God of salvation and what Jesus came to tell us.
It is so unpleasant to see all these quarrelsome, nastly comments and discussions on the internet, some perhaps by Christians. Let us live and let live and agree to disagree but the only thing that matters is how we can love one another with God's help to stand against hatered and aggression. I stand with anyone on the path of Love, the way of Truth and Life which is Jesus' way - the only way. 1Corinthians 13 covers it all for all of us: "If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."
+Judith Powell How about this.... "Don't fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who can destroy the body an soul in hell" Matt 10:28
+Ricky I love these games where we just throw out verses from the Bible. It's like Scriptural Scrabble(TM). The more obscure the passage the more points you get!
I'll throw mine in, even though it's not from The Bible but from an early church father (a doctor of the church, in fact) and saint. St. Cyril of Jerusalem wrote, "We explain not what God is, but candidly confess that we have no exact knowledge concerning Him. For in what concerns God, to confess our ignorance is the best knowledge." It's sad how ignorant we are of the intellectual tradition of the early church.
The Bible is a signpost. It is a record of divine encounters. It is not a collection of witty one liners.
+Judith Powell Agreed - he didn't squirm. He answered each question, and the interviewer obviously wasn't listening, because he asked the same questions again, to which he received the same answers! I'd say the interviewer was the one squirming
glad to read your comments, good for you.
Here's the problem. You believe in the authority of scripture I see, based on your use of them as evidence of God's love. The problem is Jesus speaks about hell as a real place. One that no one wants to go to. Further he speaks about it more than the rest of the Biblical authors combined. Further still, he speaks of hell 3 times more than he does heaven.
"Wide is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who find it." Remember the sermon on the mount. "Many" are said to find the way to destruction, "Few" the way to righteousness."
Rob ignores the data rather than engaging it. "Nobody knows what eternity will bring," you stated. Did Jesus know? Did he at least know more than anyone else, if he didn't have exhaustive knowledge? Why ignore what Jesus of all people has to say on that subject?
Rob Bell: "There are people who have questions and hunches and... really struggling with *this*"
That's a pretty accurate description of himself. That he has no mechanism to submit his own hunches to a higher authority, but feels compelled to interpret his hunches as theology and teach it to his congregation, is not proof of his higher wisdom but only a consequence of his position in his church.
Why hasn't an interviewer asked him the obvious " but what if a person doesn't want to go to heaven?" do they have a choice? Rob speaks of freedom and making free choices. C.S Lewis made a wonderful point: we imagine hell to be a place where people are trying to claw their way out, but God is stepping on their toes not allowing them to. Instead Hell is simply the extension of their own decision and choices to not to want to submit to God or have a relationship with Him. If a person has no desire for God here, why would we assume they would in the afterlife?
He doesn't squirm! Complex issues about hell and the issues of faith are not either or! Shame on Bashir for battering on that basis!!
i can't determine which one of these two is more dangerous
***** Michael, evil has a way of making its way into the lives of even those who have good intentions. those who killed for religious reasons we're also formulating their own theories not following the true teachings of the Bible. you sound a lot like me before I actually educated myself and became a believer. I spoke on things I didn't know about and oh how very ignorant I was, thinking the little bits of information I had heard or seen could be used to complete a theory I so strongly believed. I was humbled when I was wrong. but I accepted that I was wrong and vowed to never speak ignorantly again. if it isn't something Im educated in,I choose to say nothing at all.
OneManwithGod so true. So true
***** This is an absolute cop-out. Atheism is either the outcome or the determinate of a philosophy/worldview. Communism is atheistic, ergo it has as much in common with your professed belief as the people who oversaw the inquisition were of mine. Switching the definition in order to absolve yourself of an asinine argument doesn't make you smart, it makes you a hypocrite.
Furthermore, if you want to talk about religiosity among the prison population, you may also want to consider the high suicide rate amongst people with atheistic, agnostic or otherwise secular beliefs. ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=177228
Can't say I was surprised by the findings of this study when I first read it. In my own experience, most atheists were either compulsive drunken morons or depressingly fatalistic pseudo-philosophers.
hellsunicorn Lol. The title of "Atheist" is given to those who answer none when asked if they believe in a god. If you want to push it so far as to call it a worldview then go for it.
I will give in and say that a lot of atheist's might be more prone to suicide but is that really surprising. When you have a belief it makes life feel and seem better. Personally I don't need to drink that kool aid to be successful.
Besides from what I have seen religion has a terrible side affect of feelings of un-earned superiority
"That's what you've done, haven't you?"
Lol it sounds so condescending
Kudos to Rob Bell for being one of the first pastors brave enough to talk about Apocatastasis and bring it into public discourse. There is much more evidence in scripture than points to ultimate reconciliation than eternal torture.
Could you share those passages and be specific. Been reading the Bible for 50+ years now, problem is i've never read or have seen what you are saying. Would love to see the passages. And the reference to Mr. Bell saying some will come to God after they dye.
Reading the bible:
Heb 9:27) And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
It seems to matter what you do in this life time. Sure one might be in Sheol as we read about in Luke 16, where the unrighteous dead are being held until the final judgement and the waiting room sounds pretty bad, The descriptions of hell are far worse...
Anyway would love to see something that says those who die, not not Born Again as we read in John 3:3, how one can change destinations...
I cannot stand this interviewer.
what is apostasy? Rob Bell, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen, to name a few... there is not enough space or time to name them all (besides, I don't know them all)
Each year, Rob Bell, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen teach 100,000's of people about the love of God and the importance of having a relationship with Christ! How many people a year do you bring to Christ?
Yeah, I thought so! You are doing nothing but dividing the church! You should stop before God steps in and stops you!
Apostasy is renouncing your faith. Heresy is teaching that goes against Orthodox Bible teaching. Joel Osteen teaches the heretical "prosperity gospel" and Rob Bell seems to teach Universalism, (in spite of his denial here). In what way is Rick Warren heretical?
Oneskeptical Guy Leading 100,000s to Christ through a doctrine that is not biblical is actually leading 100,000s straight to hell. I've led a few to Christ this year, through the Word of God, the inerrant scripture, so I guess I'm a few souls ahead of them both. How about you?
Jeff said:
"Leading 100,000s to Christ....is leading them to hell"
Jeff, Do you actually believe that Salvation in Christ counts only when its done through your your doctrinal beliefs?
Oneskeptical Guy Not in the least! If salvation were dependent upon MY doctrine, we would all be bound for hell. There is only one doctrine...that of Jesus Christ. He said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." Scripture is full of references contradicting the "all will go to Heaven" doctrine of the Universalist. It is true that all will bow and confess Jesus Christ as Lord...but...some will do so after their death, and some will do so unwillingly. Those will not spend eternity in Heaven, but cast into the lake of fire with Satan and his followers. Again, not my doctrine, but straight from the words of God.
The moment you judge someone is when you give people permission to judge you. The thing is we are all made of the same energy and that is god. You may decide to be a conductor of light, or to spread darkness. Fortunately light is incredibly more powerful. Be light be love be one. We have tried everything else.
Jesus is the light of the world. Satan is an angel of light, deceiver, and a liar from the beginning. He is called the Father of Lies. Coming to Jesus is the only way to have light in you.
That fact that what he’s saying is so true and powerful is a threat to fundamentalism, which is used by those who prefer to use God as a means to control others to their own ends of ego and power, and which depends on bullying in order for it to survive. I don’t know about God, but I would want someone to love me willingly, truthfully and whole heartedly, not because they’re threatened of being tortured if they don’t.
I think some fundamentalists were taught to hate. If their fundamentalist parents didn't like aspects of them or certain people, then that hate was contagious, either because they trusted their parent’s authority, without question, or feared being disowned from the clan, simultaneously feeling important when they obeyed. Other fundamentalists didn't get the love they deserved as a child and understandably resented the unreliability of their unlawful parents, and that resentment and need to control an unreliable world, carried over into the rest of life.
The same could be said for non fundamentalists. On the one hand, as children they saw the contradiction of religious people who were loving and good and truthful as well as those who were abusive deceiving and controlling, and the pain of that contradiction either caused them to reject religion all together, or to set out on a search for truth and true love over blind conformity.That's where I think Rob is coming from.
"I think some fundamentalists were taught to hate" If fundamentalism teaches people to hate indeed, it has nothing to do with the Christ who instructed His followers to love their neighbor as themselves and love their enemies.
Mathew 22: 35-39 " 35 A proud religious law-keeper who knew the Law tried to trap Jesus. He said, 36 “Teacher, which one is the greatest of the Laws?” 37 Jesus said to him, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest of the Laws. 39 The second is like it, ‘You must love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ 40 All the Laws and the writings of the early preachers depend on these two most important Laws.”
Mathew 5: 44 " But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"
Peace!
Lea Leandre Yes We ought love but that does not mean we agree all the time try not to mix the two all the time disagree out of love not of hate
Jesus Burgos You spoke the truth. We can disagree with people and still love them. That is the beauty of love and freedom. As long as no one is being harmed. God made us different for His own purpose. Difference is a very good thing. If all of us thought alike, there would be no interesting and meaningful conversations. That would be extremely boring. God's wisdom is always perfect just as He is. May His name be praised forever!
Yes, he is coming from disillusionment but that does not give him room to teach against the bible. Lots of people do things wrong, in the churches and outside of churches. Rob Bell is not more loving than God. Talk is not love. The bible says that God himself is love, his words are fully true and that he cannot lie. God cannot be unloving and Bell accusing him of being unloving is false teaching. God's love is perfect and good. He has done all he can for us and this is the backlash. The bible says that when men refuse to come to God it is because they love sin, otherwise why would people not come to a God so loving.
Squirm ?!! It's rare that we see someone having the screws put to them on live tv by an interviewer with an obvious bias handle it with such joyful exuberance !! LOL
The interviewer makes Bell squirm because he asks leading questions, tries to trap Bell in false dichotomies, and is incredibly aggressive.
He asks Rob Bell a yes-or-no question. Rob Bell gives a paragraph-long response which doesn't even come close to answering the question. The interviewer was simply calling out the bullcrap in Bell's "religion"
He wasn't trying to trap Bell in "false dichotomies", he was simply showing Bell how delusional he really is in his "Love wins" theory
@@timmckinnon1233The very first question was a false dichotomy.
Bell presents a watered down "feel-good" Gospel to appease people, however, the Bible should be our foundation for our beliefs so we are not led astray! Take heed because there are many false prophets who have gone out into the world.
He cares, but they don't care
In fairness to Rob Bell...this wasn't an interview so much as a series of accusations set up to make someone very uncomfortable.
Bell writes a book making claims and is asked nothing more than to reaffirm what he already stated in the book. How is that "a series of accusations"? It just shows that Bell and his kind can't handle any examination of their false claims.
Rob Bell is another feel good fraud like Joel Olsteen.
2Timothy 4:3-4
3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.…
As it should for a false teacher. Hope it gave some of his followers pause.
*_Widely unknown background to this interview:_* Rob Bell is asked to be interviewed by Bashir. In the green room before the live broadcast on national TV, the producer tells Rob Bell that “Bashir is very spiritual, and he really appreciates your work, and I think you’re going to have a fantastic conversation.”
Of course, this puts Bell at ease, thinking it’s going to be a positive, lively discussion. Sadly, it was a deceptive ploy that Bashir used pre-interview.
After the interview, Rob Bell stands up and reaches over the desk to shake Bashir’s hand and says “We can still be friends”, to which Bashir ignores Rob Bell, does not shake his hand, and says “Get - out of here”, and Rob Bell is asked to leave.
So - while Bashir appears friendly on screen, and thanking Rob Bell at the end, he is actually a very, very different character off screen. Deceitful before the interview, and quite brutal after.
It’s a shame to learn the truth. Especially from someone who apparently seeks to find truth via journalism.
And for those who say Rob Bell is dodging, or not answering questions, here are his clear answers to every questions asked.
*_Question: Is God all-powerful, and he doesn't care? Or he cares, and he’s not all-powerful?_* (Bashir actually gets his own question wrong here... see 1:27 - he asks "God is all-powerful and he cares, or he cares and he's not all powerful?". Good start Martin!).
Answer: 1:33 - I think that this is a paradox at the heart of the divine, and some paradoxes are best left exactly as they are.
*_Question: Are you a universalist who believes that everyone can go to heaven, regardless to how they respond to Christ on earth?_*
Answer: 1:58 In regards to the question "Are you a universalist?", I would say first and foremost - no.
*_Question: Is it irrelevant and immaterial about how one responds to Christ in this life in terms of determining ones eternal destiny?_*
Answer: 2:41 - I think it’s extraordinarily important.
Stupid Bashir isn’t listening, or perhaps he’s not getting the answer “HE” thinks he should receive. So he asks again:
*_Question: Is it irrelevant as to how you respond to Christ in your life now to determine your eternal destiny? Is that irrelevant? Is it immaterial?_*
Answer: 3:08 It is terribly relevant, and terribly important.
Now Bashir’s supreme listening and journalistic skills begin to shine, as he forgets that he just received a clear answer only seconds ago, and asks again:
*_Question: Is it irrelevant and immaterial about how you respond to Christ now to determine your eternal destiny? Is that relevant or irrelevant? Does it have a bearing, or does it have no bearing?_*
Answer: 4:01 I think it has tremendous bearing.
Finally, Bashir realises he needs to go back to listening school, and moves on, as he’s asked the same question three times.
*_New question: (about someone else’s critique of the book) That’s true, isn’t it?_*
Answer: 4:36 - No, it’s not true.
Basher now boldly takes a new angle by not asking the same question three times… and throws a curve-ball by asking a brand new Question:
*_So why do you choose for example to accept and promote the works of the early writer Origin, and not for example, Aureus, who took a view of Jesus’ deity as being not God. Why do you select one and not the other?_*
Answer: 4:53 - Because first and foremost I’m a pastor…
*_Question: The book is unbiblical and historically unreliable. That’s true, isn’t it?_*
Answer: 5:38 - No, that’s not true.
Basher doesn’t let him even finish 4 words before talking over the top of Rob Bell, and tries to put more words in his mouth. You, my friend, are witnessing journalistic excellence unfold before your very eyes.
He finally gets to his next *_“Question”: Here comes Rob Bell - he’s made a Christian Gospel for you, and it’s perfectly palatable, it’s much easier to swallow. That’s what you’ve done isn’t it?_*
Answer: 5:56 - No I haven’t
*_Question: How much is this book you working out your own childhood experience of being brought up in a fairly cramped evangelical family, and really finding that difficult as you became an adult? How much is this actually that?_*
Answer: 6:27 - Oh, I would totally own up to that in a heartbeat. I think we’re all on a journey…
*_Video ends. After cameras turn off, Rob Bell goes to shake Bashir’s hand, and see the top of this comment for what happened there._*
+Jayden Lawson - What is your source for that information?
Thank you, Rob Bell, for modeling so much clarity, humility, and eloquence. this is what I want to emulate when I am confronted in this way, in so many ways of life. your messages, books, sermons in my Mars Hill days, and Noomas have helped guide me through the scripture and my path to compassion and a life of love. I am so grateful to you.
He's a christian by his own definition, but he's NOT a Christian by Jesus' definition spelled out in the Bible. Sadly, he's leading many down the path to hell, and holding their hand all along the way making them feel good.
You did a great job holding your own during that ambush, Rob. Bashir was a rude idiot.