Do Kids Need a Mom and a Dad? Queer vs Conservative Parents | Middle Ground
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0:00 intro
0:38 it's important for parents to honor their children's boundaries
9:37 it's best for a child to have a mother and a father
25:57 it's necessary for parents to talk with their children about sex
37:07 children should strive to meet their parent's expectations
41:41 elementary schools should teach students about sexual orientation
55:04 sometimes a child needs a spanking
1:05:40 the sexuality of parents influences their kid's sexuality
1:10:38 the way i was parented made me feel safe and seen - Розваги
Aldo saying that kids are better off being orphans than in a household with 2 same gender parents is the most wild take I've ever heard. WILD
He had a lot of wild takes tbh. He looks and talks like a young Charlie Kirk
He’s a bad person
Based
Must have been the guy I was arguing with in a comments section about abortion. Said the same thing
He is wrong 😢 he knows nothing
the AUDACITY of them telling a woman that shes missing out on a mother after she REPEATEDLY said she didnt, and them forcing their views on her is just INSANE
She was literally CRYING and telling them that people gave her that insecurity of her loving family and Carmen STILL denied that anything they said was related to it. WTF!
That's "conservatives" for you. They will literally CONSERVE their own limited world view at all costs. Who cares what this other lifestyle or belief system is?!?
@@avivashalom They were literally sitting there telling her how she should feel, like how she was feeling was not valid. If SHE feels that she didn’t miss out on anything, there is no reason for them to tell her that she is. That makes absolutely no sense and you are just as bad as them if you think that’s okay.
@@avivashalom how tf you gone have a disagreement about how somebody feels? Not everything is debatable…💀
@@okuyiosa because her feelings doesn’t necessarily represent reality. Just because you feel a certain way about something doesn’t make it true.
So, you spank your daughter then sit her down and tell her you hit her because you love her. That sets her up to accept abuse as love.
EXATAMENTE!!!!
As if it always leads that way. 🙄
@@sobeliever1638it does most of the time. Be real.
wrong. you’re projecting
A responsible parent understands the importance of not resorting to physical or verbal abuse towards their child. Effective communication is crucial, and setting clear expectations for behavior is key. While I may not know the person mentioned personally, I can share my perspective on how I approach discipline with my own daughter.
I prefer using minimal force when disciplining my child, emphasizing the connection between disobedience and consequences. After administering discipline, I make it a point to explain that my actions stem from a desire for her to learn and be obedient, not to inflict harm. I stress the distinction between discipline and abuse, underscoring that any form of excessive force from others would be considered abusive.
Open communication plays a vital role in helping children understand the difference between discipline and abuse. In our case, my child's involvement in karate has contributed to her comprehension of the consequences of using excessive physical force. I believe children are capable of understanding more than we might give them credit for, and my daughter, in particular, has shown remarkable intelligence from a young age.
Despite attempts at non-physical disciplinary measures, there are instances where conventional methods prove ineffective. In such cases, introducing the possibility of a physical response, such as a spanking, is considered. However, it's essential to note that this is not the preferred approach, and alternative consequences are usually explored first.
While my daughter occasionally displays indifference to timeouts or the removal of privileges, it doesn't necessarily lead to physical discipline. Instead, creative consequences may be employed, such as threatening to dispose of toys or presenting the option of a spanking as a last resort. The goal is to convey the seriousness of disobedience without resorting to physical measures whenever possible.
In certain situations, such as when my daughter's safety is at risk or if she engages in physically harmful behavior, a measured response may involve resorting to spanking. For instance, playing in the road despite explicit instructions would warrant a more immediate and firm disciplinary action.
It's crucial to adapt disciplinary approaches based on the unique needs and behaviors of each child. Striking a balance between firmness and understanding is essential to fostering a healthy parent-child relationship.
Her throwing the "You don't feel bad because you dont know what you're missing!" back in his face and him immediately backtracking, amazing. "That's not what we're talking about" It's EXACTLY what you're talking about actually
Sure I have a specific relationship with my mother but I gained nothing from having a father. He could've been any other male figure in my life. The last time I had a real deep conversation with him was him calling me on the phone telling me that mom was upset because I had LGBT content on my Facebook. He told me to take it off and when I refused he got angrier and angrier. I know he disapproved of my sexuality but we've yet to have an actual conversation in over a year about if he has changed simply because he doesn't reach out. A parent is supposed to be there for their child and he wasn't.
THANK YOU!!!
@@nmikk10He put a roof over your head and you disrespected him.
@nmikk10 that's exactly the point. Your dad was there but he was not a father. He clearly didn't do what he was supposed to
@@macx3r0 then anyone can be a father lol
The fact that these individuals prefer children to be parentless and lost to the system than having same-sex parents is one of the most ridiculous and even insulting statements I’ve heard.
Same sex “parents” don’t teach “love” they teach sodomy. Those kids will never know the beauty of procreation from a mom and dad growing up under gays. A child without a mom is dysfunctional with other women and a child without a dad is dysfunctional with other men. People are lying to themselves children don’t become very insecure people because they don’t have a mom and or dad
@@petermj1098oh I’m sorry, but I thought children shouldn’t be learning about sex at a young age bc they are children. If procreation is so magnificent, then what is your opinion on those dastardly straight couples that have the audacity to adopt children they did procreate together?
@@ajakakakak Children eventually grow up. There is a difference between kids and teenagers. It is fine when teenagers eventually learn about sex from parents but it is not fine for kids to do so because it is too explicit for them to know at a young age.
I am pretty sure some straight couples that adopt children do it cause they biologically can’t have children of their own. Just because straight couples can’t have biological children of their doesn’t mean procreation isn’t magnificent.
And even if a straight couple that can have biological children adopts as long as the resources and time it is fine to give adopted children the father and mother they need in life.
@petermj1098 but it isn’t fine to give a child a loving home with two men or two women raising them? I had a shifty father who was always in my life, I would’ve much rather my mother married a very nice woman instead, that way I could’ve had two parents who gave me the love I deserve
@@ajakakakaklearn about love
i like how the conservatives tell Elizabeth that she’s missing something by not having a mother and shame her for it and then keep talking about how terrible their own straight parents were
Conservative parenting at its finest. The draconian methods are unnecessary and a bit cruel.
I disagree cuz I watched the whole debate and never have I found a single person on this panel shaming her for not having a mother. All they said is that she lacks the bond between a mother and her which is not the negative thing.
@@leedarren7022 they made her cry. that’s enough for shaming in my books.
@@rw5763 I don't think the conservative parents were shaming her. Nobody in the panel says it was wrong for having two dads. In fact, she even admitted that nobody said her family is wrong in this room, but the world said it.
@@rw5763 y’all so soft it’s embarrassing atp it’s a argument which they don’t have to agree in they weren’t attacking her as a person
“Data and statistics mean nothing to me” “ I don’t care about studies” don’t show up to a debate then
That’s called a fool
22:16 “anyone can fabricate emotion” in response to “what am I missing from having 2 dads” is an INSANE statement
The two guys were just determined that they already knew the answers to the questions they were asking
it's so hard to not have a bias towards one group when the other is so insufferable 💀💀
Fr, like mike was so bullheaded in such a diverse situation where other people would explain their experiences and still be brushed off by him. Elizabeth was explaining how her parents were the best that she could ask for and how she had trauma from people saying otherwise just because of their sexuality, and mike was just not listening and chose to stick his considerably inconsiderate ground, being disrespectful to Elizabeth and the argument itself.
It's kinda sad that people liking this have no idea which side you're referring to. Because I can definitely see either side's far leaning psychos saying this about the other. "Omg I had to sit and listen to a person with a different view's argument without me being able to yell over them and assert my dominance?!?! INSUFFERABLE!" Understanding and listening to a belief that isn't yours and understanding it is the literal peak of wisdom. And if you can't do that them you don't deserve a voice in the debate.
@@TheShockingShane was bouta say both groups got some crazy mf
Ik the queer side made no sense
@@bblizzy4141 why can’t ppl just have different views 🤦🏽♀️
genuinely shocked that the guy with the beanie was saying he needed to have father figure to tell him that women had value
I mean if the women in his household weren't behaving like they had value and they constantly ignored him and didn't show him love, he probably became resentful. I don't agree with him not seeing women as human beings. But 70% of people in prison come from single-mother households and like 70-80% of rapists come from single-mother households as well. It's not really that hard to believe that fatherlessness causes a ton of societal problems and messed up thinking.
MOST BLCK MALES, think like this. Look how they talk on their podcasts.
@@tatttoon that’s a huge generalization
^
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE SIDE EYEING THAT
“studies mean nothing to me” oooookayyyy
Should tell their children that next time the kid shows a disdain towards their studies
I mean when you basically base your entire worldview on mother goose fairy tales then you get what you get
@@tysonvslewis12it isn’t mother goose fairy tales telling people men can become women though is it?
@@tysonvslewis12 What exactly are you calling "mother goose fairy tales"?
Rainbows in a classroom…… He made it weird, not the teacher! He “wanted” it to be something it wasn’t! He’s the problem!
Seriously! It’s rainbows in a child’s classroom, it’s not posters of men kissing.
I don't entirely judge him for this. I swear 20 years ago the conservative feedpipe wasn't so full of rage bait that someone would see something potentially related to equal rights and immediately assume some nefarious agenda is being pushed. This is the result of increasingly radical conservative media.
I can't help but feel a bit of sympathy after watching several people go from "I like guns" to "the queers are trying to take over!". I fully feel that kind of transition makes them the victims of brainwashing. Imagine living with that kind of constant hatred and fear.
I feel the hate creeping in myself these days and I absolutely don't want it.
fr
@ddairsaw literally!! rainbows can be simply a rainbow and be a symbol of queerness simultaneously
@@lopezoliviajanefr 😭
The fact that two of the conservative parents outright reject data, studies, and actual lived experience says everything. Wow.
I DONT BELIEVE IN THE DATA
@@RaquelRavage lol
@@RaquelRavage we believe you fr fr
@@RaquelRavage EXACTLY data isn't real, only my opinion matters and everyone else including scientists are wrong!!!!!
U don’t need data to acknowledge the natural instincts of a biological female mom& dad and why there needs to be a balance of the two. Plus everyone kept talking over Austin; liberals need to learn to let ppl talk. Also There’s a reason why Austin asked if there was an agenda behind same sex marriage w/ families. It’s obviously a trendy social concept influenced by the government to control population through sterilization by first, stripping family values from American families. I mean have u not seen the data lately? We are heavily underpopulated and suddenly we are running out of resources and going thru massive inflation and shitty water. This is recipe for disaster and poverty. If no new generations are born after our downfall, America will be a lost country like Atlantis type beat.
I love how the conservatives who had bad experiences with their parents are telling the girl with loving dads that she is missing out. Talk about projecting
EXACTLY
I mean she is, but it’s also pot calling the kettle black
@@prodigy_riffraff2029 you mad mad lol I have seen you reply to every single comment 😩😩😩
@@a.jvalle8905 I mean that’s an over exaggeration, and if someone needs too get slated imma slate them
@@prodigy_riffraff2029 you are maddddddddddd omg who hurt you
elizabeth running to the stools when the prompt was “the way i was parented made me feel safe and seen” made my day. it really gives me hope for the future.
I need a complication of contestants breaking into sprints LOL
Made me mad, people like that do
Yeah same I have 2 dads like Elizabeth
That dude did NOT JUST SAY “we arnt all equal” and pointed out peoples skin tones 😀😀
Yeah, that was wild. Also, it conflates “equal” and the “same”
fr
My jaw DROPPED
maybe he meant to say treated equal, i hope his tongue slipped 💀
He pointed out race not color.
the female conservative parent saying “i never felt comfortable going to my mom” and the male conservative saying “my mom beat me as a kid” is sad to hear but then they shame the girl with 2 fathers baffles me. she was comfortable going to her parents when her first period came and she loves them dearly. the conservatives have mommy issues, saying elizabeth is lacking a mother is ridiculous after hearing they didnt have mothers that cared for them like her fathers.
I honestly thought that was the most ironic part of the video.
Something striking about conservatives is they don't tend to operate based on what's more logical but rather based on tradition, and sometimes religion.
@@ComedyGlor and then turn around and say "facts over feelings".
@@michaelregis1015 And when you give them facts & peer reviewed studies they go for anecdotes and what they "see." Absolutely ridiculous.
Exactly. Even the black guy (forgot his name) even said he doesn’t talk to his mom and his mom was basically non existent but wanna shame her for not having a mom?
Imagine growing up in a wonderful, loving family and then being told by grown adults that your family is wrong and you deserved better.
Often times those people have broken families themselves and they are jsut trying to project inorder for them to feel better about themselves.
The very same grown adults who have strained relationships with their OWN parents.
Deadass!
Say it louder for the people in the back💯🗣
Imagine all of that, but the people berating you for your parenting openly admit to hitting their young children, clearly models of perfect parenting
The conservative fathers are super cringe. Austin blaming his need to physically harm his children on being Black is a cop out.
Bro I was raised barely punished and when I was punished either it was grounded or spank I would come to learn not to do it again Austin is a great parent
And i agree to an extent using being black to discipline your child as an excuse is bull, but i feel like spanking your child isn’t a bad thing
@@johntorrez8172that’s just you.. some kids either get so used to the beating that they just go “oh what will mom/dad do? beat me again? i’m used to that so i will keep doing what i’m doing because i know the consequences” or just be traumatized for life lmao
FR
At least they don't raise criminals like modern day single mothers
Sex Ed saved my life. My parents didn't teach me anything. Sex ed taught me to protect myself from a molester in elementary school.
Conservative: I never felt comfortable talking to my mother.
Another conservative: My mother never interacted with me.
Elizabeth: I was raised in a loving household with two dads with whom I could talk about anything.
CCONSERVATIVES: You missed out by not having a mom!
Conservative people are unhinged.
Those same 3 conservatives: A mother innately the best caregiver.
They're speaking from experience.
@@anthonyl9126 Still, it's ironic for them to say that when they're heterosexual parents were objectively worse in those ways than her homosexual parents.
I hate hate when lgbtq rainbow people bring up animals when talking about the natural way,were talking about humans ??this isn't a furry contest 😂how else a human supposed to be born without a male and mother figure
I'm not going to lie, when Mike said, "studies don't matter to me" a small part of me died inside just from the sheer ridiculousness of that statement.
That's your typical conservative mindset
Or when he said we are not all human, that’s he’s mixed and the other weird dude is black.
😅😮😅😅😅
@@trevormichael4906liberal or conservative, that’s the real question: can we trust the information we are given?
@@trevormichael4906 of course you can manipulate data and pick and choose statistics to come to your own conclusion, but the statement "studies don't matter" overall is just absurd.
The guys saying his daughters reacting to him bringing out his belt shows they respect him is wild to me. That response is not respect, its fear and that is horrifying!
There's a reason Kids are so out of control these days. Ask a teacher.
Im not conservative by any means, but my parents used to spank me. They also used to abuse me. Even as a kid it was very clear to me which was which, I could tell when my dad was just using me as stress relief when hed hit my head or berate me. I dont support parents using corporal punishment necessarily because I think spanking is a gateway to allowing yourself to abuse your kids under the veil of "correcting behavior", but when I see parents give their kids a pat on the butt for doing something inappropriate or dangerous and using the physical shock to immortalize the memory or lesson of "do not run out into the street alone" I do not think that is close to abuse at all.
@@The1Waiter-gk4sz That's not even proof of spanking being effective though. You experienced yelling, and yelling is usually a separate parental behaviour for children, and it doesn't have much to do with a child's experience of spanking. They're usually two different behaviours. I never got spanked as a kid, yet I remember immediately braking my bike when my mother screamed my name and yelled "Stop!" to me (a car was pulling out from the driveway that I would've rolled into). I rarely ever heard her raise her voice, so I knew something must be very wrong for her to react that way.
Every child needs disciplining but it's about creating consequences that merely annoy them rather than instill fear. That's why time-outs are used, ultimatums (ex. if you don't do ___, you won't get ___) or letting them face direct consequences (when it's not dangerous) -- like if they keep being rough with a toy, to let them play with it until breaks so they understand it was their fault.
@@The1Waiter-gk4szSo you say that we need violence to raise our kids. We are learning kids they dont use violence against their peers. But we do that as a parent is so hypocrite.
Keep telling yourself that honey. 😂😂😂
the audacity someone must have to tell someone that THEY missed out when that person has no idea what their experiences are is so gross. They're just assuming things about her despite knowing NOTHING. She's telling them how she feels and they're basically saying "no you're wrong" again, despite never having experienced it themselves. And they don't even apologize when they see how hurt she was by their comments. Are we sure they're adults? And parents?
@@The1Waiter-gk4sz they... literally said its sad she didnt have a mom and that she missed out
@@The1Waiter-gk4sz ?? You didnt have a bad childhood or terrible parents.. where did i say that? all i said is its not sad that she didn't have a mom and people shouldnt tell her it is- especially when she herself is saying its not sad
@@The1Waiter-gk4sz Vacations and resources are all material, quantifiable things that you can tell are missing from someones life. A "female role model" isnt. There are women all over society, women are represented in media, in schools, etc. Acting like she has some discernible material thing missing from her life is insane, especially because all those people also said "my parent(s) were there but they werent there for me". Like the presence or absence of a parent does not mean theres a presence or absence of love. My grandma had two parents and her dad was a complete monster, filth of the earth. Her childhood would have been infinitely better with only one parent.
I was literally waiting for an apology.
@@urangel21 christian apologizing!? they think only sky daddy can do that.
I think bringing teens into the conversation was a great move, you get a wider perspective
Yeah true, but wider not always wiser. Not necessarily this group, BUT other teens nowadays it's like they forget who raised them and WHAT A CHILDHOOD MEANS..WHAT BEING A KID MEANS RIP
@@Kbinger06 Hate to break it to ya, but being older doesn't mean wiser either. Elizabeth straight asked one dude to prove what he was saying with stats, then provided her own and he said "I don't care about statistics". Doesn't sound very wise to me. I absolutely hate the notion that an older person is inherently more knowledgeable than a younger person
@@Kbinger06children who are actively being raised and are experiencing the effects of different parenting styles are undeniably the most educated on the consequences of those beliefs. In this case wider, does in fact, equal wiser.
Hey nice profile picture
I mean, they where rite, she did miss out on having a mother, she just doesn’t know, because she didn’t have a mother.
The quality of your parenting isn’t based on your gender or sexuality, it’s based on who you are as a person.
Period!
a mother can never be a father, a father can never be a mother.
@@NTDS_GOG Name things that children that have had two parents of the same sex that “they’ve been missing out”. I’ll wait
@@itsnatemate7697 A life
@@ligmamalegrindsetinvestinr9251 thats shallow and just untrue
I’m already flabbergasted by the first question. How can any human at all say that you shouldn’t respect another human’s boundaries? ESPECIALLY your own children. As soon as I saw the question I thought “oh, they start off with an easy one that everyone can agree on” and was so taken aback that some people didn’t step forward.
Ok so let’s break that down because at first i thought as you did. If you don’t set boundaries for your kids, such as sleep, nutrition,hygiene, mental health, autonomy, they will turn out mirroring other kids or adults they see because somebody has to teach them said boundaries in a society or they will become animalistic. My kid doesn’t like to wear jeans nor likes his locs cleaned up. If it were up to him he wouldn’t care about his appearance. It’s my job to educate him on his appearance because we don’t live in the woods, we live amongst people that will treat you how how you look. I allow validate him by saying ‘yeah adults are that petty but it’s the game you gotta play to get better results. We live in a world where you need people and money to survive. Just play the game “
@@salome9124yet that's not the point. Children are humans and deserve to have boundaries too
@@rainestorm6029 it’s funny you say that in a society where you are ruled over
@@salome9124 huh? How is that applicable to what I said?
You raise kids. Kids don’t raise parents…
I'm so confused about the guy saying that being raised by a single mom was hard because he didn't have a father around to tell him that women are valuable people with their own thoughts, etc. Like... did you not learn that from knowing your mother? I don't understand.
He said he was raised by a single mother and that his father wasn't there, but then later says that he has a great relationship with his father and that growing up his mother never said a word to him... Is anyone else confused, like am I just a bad listener?
When Mike said "studies mean nothing to me" that's all I needed to know.
Elizabeth hit it on the head with that. It invalidates a majority of his opinions because it means he **refuses** to believe whatever he doesn't see with his own eyes.
Anti-science people are absolutely insufferable.
He also has a podcast where he regularly has neonazis and white supremecists as guests. I.e. Nick Fuentes, Gavin McInnes
i think he means that the majority of studies have a political bias
He should have started railing off statistics about lesbian couple abuse rates
Austin: I grew up without a dad and my mom never spoke to me. I was alone...
Elizabeth: I was raised by two loving fathers.
Austin: Well you missed out!
Austin is so closed minded and uneducated in a lot of different ways.
I mean she still did
@@prodigy_riffraff2029 on what tho
@@prodigy_riffraff2029 Austin missed out on what experiencing what “love” and “acceptance” is, Elizabeth never missed out on those. That’s why he thinks spanking his kids are okay when there are better ways to handle situations.
@@rexstylus I appreciate the useless reply 👍😂, just because he missed out on stuff doesn’t mean she didn’t miss out as well
No one brought up the fact that there are thousands of kids in foster care with no parents. I bet they would love any parent(s) male, female whatever. Children need strong parents period.
Exactly.
“I don’t care about studies” imediately disenfranchised him in my mind. He has no basis of logic to me now.
*Conservative parents:* "I know you're missing something from not having a mom"
*Daughter of gay dads:* "How do you know that? Please explain how you can see that in me."
*Conservative parents:* "I dON't knOW yOU"
😑😑😑🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Ignorance and non-understanding creates this mindset. Kudos for the queer parents to even do this debate. I wouldn't be able to 😅
I think they said guidance..
I'll answer it for you then
They're missing the love of a Mother that's what
@@macias7125 Not every mother has love for their kids. I know *plenty.*
@@schwann145 then why get married?
Asking if the reason queer people look to adopt is that they have an “agenda” to “prove a point” to their community is the wildest thing I’ve heard in a while.
Bro- they just want to have a family with the person they love…… just like you do.
its the dehumanising of queer people - it needs to be discussed more fr
Yeah, it's quite strange considering a lot of conservatives are also Christians, and they push tons of biblical agendas on their children.
honestly … grab all your hot takes and apply them to a straight heteronormative couple … suddenly they disperse
That’s literally recruiting. They are recruiting in our faces and you’re worried about their feelings of validation? 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
@@awwhellnaw8214 No one's recruiting. You can't make anybody be gay just like you can't make anybody be straight.
I'm Pissed off that the poor girl broke down bc they decided to say she was missing a part of her raising by having 2 fathers.
Its what liberals do. The conservatives spoke nothing but the truth.
@@gamingbear7316bruh
no, this wasn’t that sort of situation. those were genuine tears… that woman was genuinely broken by those comments.
@@gamingbear7316you’re so weird
@@gamingbear7316true according to who? she said she didn’t feel like she missed anything and the men just told her that she is wrong because THEY say so. It’s the very definition of a refusal to accept other people’s differences because a religious worldview canny compute with different realities.
I am mostly conservative watching this and I think The Queer side handled themselves so well. I appreciated what they had to say, and it helps me understand better. This is a great show and helps a lot. I do not like it when someone yells and talks over others trying to force their point. having a calm discussion while trying to find middle ground is what brings us together.
No, I think they are hiding something, especially the queer side, but they are not telling the truth. So something is definitely strange in them.
And also I disagree, some point on the queer what they have said it.
The way this episode stressed me out so much😭 this wasnt even a debate this was a full on argument
The Queers made it that way especially Raw sex or whatever her name is she was hype for nothin
No me too I was getting so heated watching this 😭
This video made me soooo angry I can’t explain. So horrible. So inconsiderate. Blatantly ignoring the existence of the whole community. Love can’t be measured. How dare they tell anyone who’s so proud of her fathers, what she had missed in her life. Fuminggg
@@jalebi_baby8facts vs your emotions. What's more important?
@@godsrevolver9737what are you even talking about?!
Mike saying he doesn’t want to teach his children earth science really was just the cherry on top
It made me let out a little chuckle 😂 what is his beef with rocks, clouds and tectonic plates lol
The volcanoes must've really upset him LMFAO
Lmaoo like who hurt you about earth science 😭
He is an hypocrit: he's homophobic and just by looking at him you can tell that he's in the closet! No comments about science: these flat earthers have computers or cellphones, they know that there are satellites and the think that the Earth is flat?! Besides being ignorant (because it's been known for more than 2 millennia that the Earth is round!) it's being arrogant, pretending to know more that those who study that stuff!
Lmmfaaooooo 😂😂😂
For the point of children being raised in households by same-sex parents there’s two main things to consider:
A) The child is being raised to be a functional and responsible member of society.
B) The child is raised with their emotional and physical needs fulfilled.
Both of which can be fulfilled by parents of the same sex.
But all other things being equal, it's best to have a father and mother.
@@silverspork86 If all other things are equal, the gender of the parent(s) doesnt matter.
Exactly!! People act like the roles parents need to fill are exclusive to sex, its crazy to me! It's just downright sexism and homophobia at the same time.
@@virgobutcayedoesn’t mean you’re sexist or homophobic to believe that if all things being equal it is more beneficial to be raised by your biological dad and mum. It’s just an opinion.
95% of the world believe this. People from different cultures and countries all agree on this point. America is trying way to hard to be different to the rest of the world.
they aren't arguing that its beneficial to be raised by your bio parents, theyre arguing that gay people shouldnt have kids in the first place (even if those kids are theirs!!!)@@bizarresportynerd6136
Here in Scotland, if you smack your child, you catch a charge. No excuses. The idea that smacking an adult is an assault charge but smacking your child is fine, is ridiculous. If you have to resort to smacking your child, you've already failed as a parent.
that poor girl expressing that she loves and appreciates having two dads and is so concrete on the fact that she’s not missing out without having a mother figure and the conservatives trying to force her to believe otherwise. so strange
She thinks she isn't screwed up and others with fathers and mothers are.
@@thenamelessjeffrey6472 Not at all what she said.
And they have the audacity to talk about 'indoctrination'...
@thenamelessjeffrey6472 She didn't say that, at all.
@@billyboops56 But she did allude to that. She said that the most messed up people she knows come from a household with a mother and father. And all the same sex 2 parent households she knows everyone is fine.
its so sad to see that the 'queer' parents just talk about how they want to empower, love, accept, and build up their children, while the 'conservative' parents, although they say they love and empower their children, they end up contradicting themselves 2 sentences later by saying how they control, spank, and threaten their children.
So the rainbow people don't discipline their children either? Wow that's some real soft💩 but everyone wants to control their kids your standards are just different there's always going to be something that if a parent seen their kid doing they would intervene and stop some people it stops at homo others it stops somewhere else
Blind acceptance isn’t love
@@silentghost751yes it is.
Unconditional love is literally the number one priority of a parent since birth, it is basically one of the few rules of parenting.
yes it is learn a little bit bro its 2023@@silentghost751
@Siksuki Unconditional love isn't a real thing. Even if you think you love something unconditionally, you don't.
Why do you love this kid, specially? Because it's yours. Whether it be yours through birth, adoption, or even just knowing them.
There are always conditions.
dude it made me so angry when that guy (don’t remember his name sorry) tried to imply that raw’s parents only let her present how she wanted to because she was adopted. do conservative parents just hate their children?
They hate themselves and take it out on their children
when she said “what if we had all same sex marriage” ✨sperm donars✨ ✨arraigned pregnancy✨ the world would not be baby less😭😭😭
Exactly
@@emma-lv7hn and there would also be no adoption center no unwanted kids
There would be a lot less Oops kids!!
@@wendyfrederick5965 for real lol
“If we’re gonna normalize same-sex households, we will have a very difficult reproduction issue down the line.” Ma’am, the DROWNING foster care system proves we already have a difficult reproduction issue 🙃
Thats not the point. Gay couples are choosing surrogacy. Look at the statistics.
This part‼️
Those are abandoned kids that were already born. Try again start with where babies come from and work your way from there 🧠
@@xavlionheart not very bright are ya.
@@xavlionheart Wow, I never thought that someone could miss the point so much, but you proved me wrong
Imagine looking someone in the eye and saying “I don’t care that you have two great parents, you missed out by not having a shitty mom” 😭
He didn't say that lol.
@@alonsoarellano8324 he didn’t say that exactly, but because he argued with her, the implication is there!
Imagine having to change what somebody said to make your point.
@@oliviadurand2429 you cant say the implication was there, he literally did not say that. If he believed it, he would say it.
Every child needs a mom and a dad. Not to same-sex parents. Regardless hope you feel into this submission of delusion, even the gays and lesbians need a mom and a dad he majority of them had a mom and dad
I am not straight, i don’t know who I’ll end up with or if I’ll even get married. If I ever have kids I’ll probably adopt. My agenda? I would like to adopt older kids, who are less likely to be adopted, and I want to provide a safe, warm, happy life and provide them with a safe space and to help them navigate the world. I want to give them what many of us have.
PREACH
I always say this exact same thing, all of it
Same!!!
I have 3 nephews and two little cousin (ages 7-2month) and I will always be there for them. I would be honored if they felt comfortable enough to come to me with a problem. I’m even an emergency contact/on the pick up list for my cousin. I’m not parenting those children at all. I just want to love, help, and protect them.
that's very sweet.. sometimes I wish my cousins were closer to me.. same with my uncles, relatives, etc. but in the future IF my sibling has a child, hope my niece/nephew can feel open and comfortable with me.
“Studies mean nothing to me” LOL Mike is insufferable, I feel so bad for his kids
Lmao factss
ugh I know!!
Rare for a Liberal to complain about someone not validating studies
went straight to the comments after he said that lol people like him should not be allowed to reproduce
poor little girls that are getting spanked by their father
Aldo really said “ I believe children have rights” while literally agreeing that they can’t have boundaries 2 seconds prior💀
Pretty sure he was just explaining how a parents job is to guide their children through life and teach them things that will make life easier
They are different things.
@@KarlSnarks Aldo, I see your point. Austin and Carmen weren't bad though.
@@KarlSnarks you're fully standing behind glass while in a battlefield. I haven't watched the whole video yet, but why do people make a claim and don't even give any observations or factual evidence to back it up.
That's not what he said at all...the context was missing out on having a mother (an ideal mom not a bad mom)
Having two hetero parents didn’t make me better off than someone with same sex parents as I ended up basically being a parent to my siblings.
The boundaries thing is so important because it should always go both ways, I'm autistic I don't like being hugged all the time. my father threw a hissy fit and stormed out when I said no to a hug as a toddler when he was putting me to bed, or he'd just expect me to hug him regardless of what I wanted. My mother doesn't force me to hug her if I don't want to and as a result I actually trust her and am far more willing to communicate other things with her while I don't talk to my father for more than a few hours 2-4 times a year
True, it helps u to not be coerced and manipulated by people in future especially since u are on the spectrum, some people know how to use their wits to get in the heads of people to take advantage of them in many ways
Sex education isn’t just about the act itself. It’s about pregnancy, STDs, all body parts are normal and most importantly CONSENT
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So you want children to be taught to consent. OK groomer.
Last one is questionable is it related to the topic
Exactly. The recent pushback from conservatives against sex Ed is so so concerning.
@@ravichandrakumarchouturi5571 consent is very much necessary as part of sex ed. Sex without consent is rape. Without conversation about consent, this is where we get cases of marital rape where people think their marriage partner is obligated to have sex with them, when they want. Consent is very much necessary.
Austin saying he would spank his daughter for doing something that would hurt her, THEN GOES AND HURTS HER A DIFFERENT WAY?!?!?! How do they not see this
That part really bugged me
If your child doesn’t understand to not mess with the stove or get close to something dangerous for example after being told multiple times bc they don’t know the consequences. Then yeah I rather give a quick spank to let them kno if you get close to them this will happen.
@@couponingwithnikita9374nah let your kid get burned or break and arm if they aren't listening. Not Julia is so intelligent and has spoken. Please trust her!
@@couponingwithnikita9374 so… physically injure your child to prevent them from being physically injured… got it.
@@couponingwithnikita9374 see this makes 0 sense. Let the child experience the burn from the stove if it gets to the point where they don't listen. They will LEARN that it hurts. No need to hurt a child so they don't get hurt?
my parents used to spank me and let me tell you it did absolutely nothing, I didn't care in the end and continued making the same mistakes after a week or so. When I was about 12 my mother got mad and slapped me and I talked back to her and told her I would not take this anymore and that she should not be hitting her child, I made a massive deal about it and she's never hit me or my siblings again. I'm very glad she listened but all I know was that slap only made me loose respect and fight back.
But you did care in the end because you told her you wouldn't take it anymore. Why did you make a massive deal instead of just putting up with it?
that’s bc that’s abuse what you experienced. i’ve been spanked multiple times for my safety bc i was a bad child frl and for me PERSONALLY it was the only way for me to listen and stop. and even then they didn’t spank me EVERYTIME i did something bad, it was when the dangerous behaviour continued and my life could’ve been at risk. But i’ve also never been slapped before and i feel like that’s even more disrespectful than a spanking. i would never let anyone slap me.
@@multijxde1855 I, in no way, was abused. Yes it was a bad method and ineffective but I would not label it abuse, just bad parenting. In general I think hitting your child does not help a situation and should not be done. THAT BEING SAID honestly, if your child is putting themselves into a life threatening or very dangerous situation and they simply won’t listen, I agree with you in that in extreme situations sometimes you just need to use whatever is available to help someone or get their attention, which might be violence. Everything in this world is morally grey. So thank you for your perspective :)
@@alimoon2575 let me clarify, I did care that they were hitting me, I did not care enough for it to stop what I was doing. I simply got angry at them when they spanked me. I did not reflect on my actions and I did not change the behavior they were trying to punish. The only behavior I changed due to spanking was my behavior towards them. So yes, I could have put up with it, but why should I have to when it’s not helping anyone?
@@ephemeraliti_ I think hitting and spanking are the same thing. I'm glad you agree that it's an ineffective form of punishment because it doesn't actually show you why the behavior needs to be changed. It either instills fear or you just get desensitized. I thought you were saying it doesn't have a negative impact, like spanking is just a neutral thing and it confused me
What's crazy is, most kids are usually oblivious to sexuality and gender and all that stuff. It's only when u tell them to be or to not be that they become aware.
Really proud of Elizabeth for standing her ground when being belittled for having 2 dads. It was disgusting of Mike to say shes missing something because she doesn’t have a mother figure. Id take 2 great father figures over a close minded and ignorant parent like him any day.
amen
She cried for attention no one even belittled her
Mother And Father > 2 same sex parents ez
@@yasminmorandini8443 what does she gain from that?
Yeah so much respect for her, it's ridiculous that the people who are okay with spanking their own kids think they know better than her if her childhood was a happy one.
austin going from saying his mom beat him for “laughing too early in the morning when his mom is sleeping”, and then a few questions later explaining how he “threatens his kids with a belt because daddy’s on the computer and they’re too loud” was wild. how does he not see the similarities- physically hurting/threatening just for being “too loud” and the parent is annoyed.
Cause he and the other conservative parents are complete morons. They contradict themselves multiple times in the entire video. I feel bad for their families
Explains a lot
exactlyy, and honestly when he was first talking about the example he gave for why he would spank his daughter and how he tells her what not to do first, then if she does it anyway he spanks her and THEN talks about it, I was like that... doesn't make sense. First of all children need repetition and redirection. And they have no impulse control. So instead of spanking and then talking about it, maybe talk to her about why it's unsafe and then redirect her to something she CAN climb so she isn't climbing the thing that's not safe for her to. Cause if you tell her once then walk away and she does it again, spanking is not the fix all. If anything you're instilling fear, not understanding.
I know how doesn't he see how messed up it sounds
@@Juniper122w1qw1qawqa1awq😅😊😊
Erik!! I’ve been watching your videos since you and Adam had your little girls, you guys make such great parents, don’t let anybody tell you otherwise ❤ I found this debate infuriating. I grew up with a biological mother and a biological father. Both of them were narcissists; I was abused emotionally, psychologically and physically. They weren’t loving, caring or supportive; all they spreaded in my life was toxicity and utter chaos. I’m 26 and still healing from the Complex PTSD I developed from my child abuse. I KNOW without question that I would have been better off with two loving same-sex parents like Erik and his husband, than with my two toxic biological parents. I feel sorry for the queer parents and the children of queer parents in this debate, it must have been so hard to hear people tell you you’re bad parents or you were missing something growing up with same sex parents when they don’t even know you… and I cannot BELIEVE the things that were said about spanking, as if it was something acceptable or normal: it’s physical violence, it’s physical abuse. The way some of those parents unashamedly admitted spanking their children was really shocking and triggering to me, having been physically abused as a child. Physical violence is never okay, and I would NEVER, EVER hit my kids.
Same story here, I'm 41 and I'm still dealing with my c-ptsd from childhood. As long as both parents no matter what gender just love their kid and can show what love is and how to respect other people then everything will be fine. These conservative/religious people in this video are so extremely closed minded. Luckily here in the EU we are way ahead of the U.S. of accepting other people for who they are. I can't imagine living in the U.S. these days.
@@Yinyara SAME it’s so funny you said that because I’m in Europe too (in the UK)!
Alice’s views on talking to your child about sex ed is precious. She’s so sheltered and sweet, I hope she keeps her kindness and innocence for as long as she can. Unfortunately just ignoring our human instincts isn’t the answer. It doesn’t make it just go away. Her parents obviously weren’t able to guide or teach her about her own body and what intimacy is so she’s forced to use social media as her guide which breaks my heart for her. Sex isn’t yucky or something to be hush hush about with your own child, yes it’s private and a mature matter but it’s apart of life, it’s probably one of, if not THE most important part of life. It’s what creates the life we all have. But her naivety is precious ❤
I feel like the books they were talking about, were for young adults. But, I don't really know.
I bet that girl's two fathers are so proud of her because I definitely am.
1:10:41 this was just absolutely adorable and precious, one of the most wholesome things I’ve seem today haha, shes like ‘YEAH MY DADS LOVE ME >:D ‘
Why
@@silentghost751 why wouldn't they be?
@@raynerays why would they be? One’s not even her actual parent
@@silentghost751 so what 💀 don't understand how u think they wouldn't be
Let’s make one thing clear: if a child GROWS UP with a not typically normal thing in their life, they WILL see it as normal. They will not be confused or disappointed inherently
They'll only realise it isn't normal when they compare it to others who are "normal"
SAY IT LOUDER 👏👏👏
Same with their friends and neighbours. Kids who know gay families really don’t care that they’re gay.
@@bishbosh4815 yes! and the child that grew up with their normal is not at fault for what other people push to them and make them feel bad for it
But they are human and will see and feel the importance of having both sexes as parents inherently. That’s totally natural. That’s how humans are made to be
Raw is all that!!
Thank you for everything you did here
Queer literally just means non-cis or non-straight (or broadly non-normative, in the case of ACE people). I actually dont think ive ever had a disagreement about what the word "queer" is with another LGBT person, but ive definitely heard people fight about the word "trans" before because some people are against nonbinary people being called trans.
the way elizabeth RAN to the seat to agree that her parents made her feel safe and seen...she loves them and they love her. how _anyone_ can look at a girl like this and say "you are fundamentally incomplete as a person because you didnt have a mom" is beyond me. she certainly seems more complete than the conservatives in the room.
Ur crazy, no other contestant broke down other than her, that demonstrated how she was incompetent compared to the others. Just because u are liberal doesn’t mean you have to be illogical.
@@queblue7153 thank you for my daily dose of "liberals are ignorant and sensitive, hur dur", really appreciated it
@@KaylaTheKindOne no but can you actually sit here and tell me I’m wrong. She repeatedly said how she was unaffected by not having a mother, but yet was the only one unable to control herself?
@@queblue7153 she's unaffected by not having a mother, but she is affected by people who refuse to believe that she's unaffected. you think that someone who's telling their personal truth should just...cope when they're not believed?
@@queblue7153 and why did she brake down? Bc of what the other people were telling her🙄 the same stuff she’s been told her whole life that she’s missing something that she’s incomplete bc she didn’t have a mom. What aren’t u getting?
The rainbow classroom thing has me cracking up. Children like colors. I'm an artist and straight. I love colors. I love rainbows. The stretch is ridiculous.
I lived rainbows as a kid and would draw them all the time. As an adult, I'm more hesitant with rainbows because people are so judgemental or automatically think you're part of the LGBTQ community because you wear rainbows. I also would hate to offend someone of the LGBTQ community and "appropriate" their representation when I'm personally not in the community. I just feel in a weird limbo as an adult.
50 rainbows though??? 50 rainbows! That doesn't sound weird to you? 😶
@@HouseMDaddict im queer and have 0 problem with straight people wearing rainbows, i think most queer ppl feel the same. i appreciate you trying to do what feels most respectful though. it means a lot
Such an excuse. Put up every color then if they like colors. But no it has to be rainbows.
Lol no one in the lgbtq community is going to feel “appropriated” if you wear rainbow clothing. We don’t own colors
Schools should teach sex Ed. Absolutely. If you want to tell your kids the schools wrong, go ahead. But they should have the information available to them so they can make up their own mind.
Also Britney’s so polite, even when the others were talking over here. Fair play to Liz, bet her Dads are proud 😢
Not in primary schools imo. Middle schools absolutely cuz high school is nearby and most kids' puberty is in middle school.
It's nice to finally see one of these where people actually find some semblance of middle ground at the end. The ones where it's vitriol from start to finish are rough.
This video really demonstrates how you could never win an argument against ignorant people lol
Hasn’t even been out for 30 minutes lll
“I don’t believe in studies or stats…”
Which side is ignorant ?
@@duckymomo7935 and you can prove that with the existence of Miami and LA 😂😂😂
@@itsnatemate7697 correct, in a setting where people are speaking anecdotally, statistics don't have a place. None of us were necessarily speaking truth claims, we were speaking subjectively
“Children have rights” also the conservative parents: “ children shouldn’t be able to set boundaries and I don’t have to respect them if they do”
"And I should be able to hit them if they do something that bothers me"
Wow that's what you took from that? Leaving out a lot there...
@@nicolemartin914 Selective hearing at it's finest. I don't think anyone in this comment section clicked on this video to get a new view on parenting tho.
Ignorant
Both statements are true.
Ever word out of Raw’s mouth was straight poetry. They all need to take notes.
For me this was one of the best video's I have seen with a discussion of parenting. I got to see so many different opinions and beliefs that I now believe that parenting is so unique and not one size fits all.
"this is what she thinks she's hearing", holy crap the amount of gaslight this woman tried to do, she really is a mother
Damn!..Sounds like you have some deep routed issues with mothers😬 Don't put that on all Mothers hon.
@@Kbinger06 it's a joke
You mean she really is a father.
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You mean a father? It's literally a stereotype of people having absent father figures, at least most mothers actually put I'm thr effort without any reward whilst dad's are praised for the minimum. stop projecting ur mommy issues
Can I just say that as a kid with straight parents who love me a lot, the whole stuff about the "role of the mother" is absolute hogwash? My dad is so much more nurturing than my mom. He played with us as kids, read to us, cooked for us and did a lot of the "mom stuff" but he was never my mom, he was and is my dad. He's also masculine, he's just the nurturing type. And for her part, my mom was always loving but she is much better with older kids she can relate to on a conversation level and just isn't the most tactile. She still is feminine and my mom. Like, can we stop pretending fathers can't be nurturing? They can. Stop lying to yourselves. Men are perfectly capable of being men and bonding with their children just as much as mothers.
Wish I grew up with my dad over my mother. Honestly I’d be better off
I think that's mostly based on the fact that women literally nurture their children by virtue of being mothers. My children literally lived inside of me for 9 months, and then I continued to feed them with my body for months afterwards. That is the most nurturing thing you can do.
Also I don't believe the consensus is that men can't be nurturing, that's the whole point of being a parent after all, but women on average tend to be more sensitive, agreeable, conscientious, etc., which translates to being more stereotypically nurturing ON AVERAGE compared to men who, on average, are more assertive, tolerant to risk, discerning, etc., which does not translate as stereotypically nurturing.
There's always exceptions to the rule, but if you were to pick out a random mother and father out of the entire world's population, you could bet money that the former will exhibit typically feminine/maternal traits and the latter will exhibit typically masculine/paternal traits. This is why it's rarely helpful to look at individual experiences through the lens of group truths. Like BMI, on a population level it's an accurate and useful measure of health, but not so much for the individual.
You put this into words so well, I was gonna comment something along the same lines.
Yeah I agree for sure
feminine doesn't have to mean that the mother is nurturing and the father is not. I think their point is that a mother just by being present will give a nurturing feeling to her child because it is biological and also mothers tend to be more nurturing in general.
alexa is incredibly well spoken, and not only backed her points up with statistics but over all knowledge. snaps all around
I’ve got to say that I think your channel is absolutely amazing. On so many different levels. Hard questions, with unapologetic reactions from both sides. Real life stories, traumatic situations, reason for many of our unanswered questions that come to light!! Brought into the sunlight of a new dawning for a new era of headlining the errors of our past! A new perspective of sharing our views! Haha! The “View-ture”!
I respect everyone's views, however as an adoptee, I get very frustrated when people say same-sex households will cause a reproduction problem. Like, there are so many kids who need homes, and many queer partners would be more willing to adopt than straight partners. People are so selfish when it comes to that. The other issue is, many queer folk are not allowed to adopt. THAT to me is more of an issue.
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Also the are acting like being gay is a choice. Ultimately 5% of couples being same sex won't affect overall reproduction. Moreover, gay couples are increasingly using IVF to have their own kids so basically they are continuing their bloodline.
I remember once seeing a homophobic religious video on this site that implied it’s better for children to be stuck in an adoption center than adopted by a gay couple.
@@sapphicwriter they shouldn’t even be around children if they want them to be stuck in a adoption home ! Let me say something they do not care about children, they wanna take women’s rights away from their bodies and say “oh put them in a home for a few years they will be fine” there is no care with any of these people
@@sapphicwriter sorry if ur pro life I don’t know what your stance is on the subject all I know is, they would rather see children suffer in a adoption home then be with a loving gay couple who could give them love and a nice supportive home
when austin talked about jingling his belt so his kids would behave my jaw dropped. imagine taking pride in being a person that strikes that type of fear in their own children. wild.
I don’t think Austin knows the difference between fear and respect. Kids can respect you without being scared of you.
@minisdunyas9884
Exactly. To this day, although I’m almost 30, I fear my parents, but I do not respect them. If anything I feel sad for them. They have a lot of generational trauma they have never addressed. It doesn’t excuse their actions but it does bring me peace to realize they are victims themselves of the abuse they perpetrated.
Wow it’s not that deep. The fear probably only lasted a few seconds and the kids went back to playing. It was probably the smallest interaction and not a big deal out of their day just a quick redirection
u miss the point
Exactly, he talkin bout how his kids respect him, as if he didnt just tell the world they only listen to him once he threatens to hit them, pathetic
I absolutely LOVE and appreciate being able to hear BOTH sides to any topic at hand on this channel.
The only issue I have is that they’re mostly anecdotal. I don’t believe you can reach a common ground based on personal stories. We need facts, we need data, research, proof.
You could still hold onto your beliefs after all the facts are laid out, but so far I’m not hearing enough HARD facts on any topics.
exactly
When they kept invalidating that girl’s feelings about having two dads and not needing a mom, my blood boiled damnnnn
That's what she went through in school being bullied her entire life so before thinking about being a parent in a queer household think of the kids and what they will face why have kids if you queer it's weird
@@tightadenadecimal9625maybe straight parents should teach their kids not to bully people
@@tightadenadecimal9625I’m Asian and kids used to bully me in elementary school for being Asian. I guess Asian people just shouldn’t reproduce then, huh?
Austin: My mom never spoke to me. I had no one.
also Austin: You’re missing out on having a mom.
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That's exactly why he would say that. You're not very bright are you?
@@TheNewNationPodcast Sir, you aren’t doing yourself any favors by saying that.
@@TheNewNationPodcast neither are you apparently lol
💀 I wonder why he said that
@@TheNewNationPodcast Buddy, teach your kids about earth science and not Genesis before you question someone else's intelligence.
The conservatives invalidating Elizabeth's family and they way she was raised is especially hilarious when the conservatives talk about the terrible relationships they have with their hetero parents, while she's praising her two fathers and is clearly very proud of them.
She’s coping
@@Harty2018 damn, you really know her, huh?
Invalidating is so often a weirdly used concept, this is a discussion, people should provide you baseline respect, not simple validation of whatever your stated experience is on the topic. I agree with you otherwise though, sounds like she had loving and supporting parents, and a lot of the guy's points were a bit weak in that back and forth.
@@Harty2018 you're projecting
@@Harty2018 🤓
It’s shocking how many people are terrified that everyone will turn gay and stop having babies. That and the great big gender swaps. It’s crazy. Are they that completely detached from sexuality and the joy people raising children?
When Mike said a bond with your mother is the strongest,I don't believe that's true. I had my mom for a short time cause she was a drug addict and chose that life. My great grandmother was my real mother,she took care of me and taught me how to walk through life. I could care less if I had my mother because I had a mom ,my great grandmother R.I.P Anna ❤
So true ❤ also RIP to your grandma love 🫶🏾
When the guy said that when he gets his belt and jingles it his kids scurry to behave, my jaw dropped. That's not respect, that's fear.
Austin seems like an AWFUL parent.
What’s wrong with fear? As long as he doesn’t hit her. I feel little kids need a little fear because they are so not chill. Obviously as they grow the fear factor should reduce and the respect factor increase
@@kikidoyaluvmexixi4297 "What's wrong with fear?"
Trolls are getting weak these days 💀
I agree with you, I was shocked too I’m not going to lie.
@@kikidoyaluvmexixi4297 The problem that arises here is that when kids fear their parents, they just find more sneaky ways to do what they have always been doing.
I don't think I've ever felt the producers feel as uncomfortable as in the making of this episode.
what
They titled it queer vs conservative. Then titled the people conservative or "gen Z" under their names. Maybe i'm out of touch with reality in 2023, but I don't think all Gen Z/young are queer.
@@gwildordipkin6504 its the kids silly
Quer conversitove and kids
Too many people. It should be 3 on each side
Might be time to make the staff more diverse ideologically
if you dont want your children growing up thinking violence is the answer, don't use violence to discipline them. simple.
as someone who grew up in violence, and used violence and later found out violence is NOT the answer. i agree. because now i have lifelong trauma and lifelong guilt.
I really liked the EP, a very relevant topic these days, seeing two sides debating ideas without offense and in a constructive way is inspiring.
This "debate" ended for me the moment Mike said "studies mean nothing" - you can't debate people who don't care about objective reality because it doesnt line up with their traditional outdated views 🤷♀️
Studies mean something but it’s foolish to believe that studies aren’t frequently manipulated to paint a narrative
@endthelogin But that's not what Mike said. If studies don't mean anything, then what are we basing our arguments on?
Oh please, it's not like scientific studies disproving the importance of a mother and father in a child's development outweigh those that support it. There's research on both sides, and you can't just erase what is biological and natural and has been the tried and tested family structure for all of human history
@@endthelogin But then you have no source to support your information or perspective except anecdotes. All anecdotes can and probably have been conflicted with the second multiple people in the room with different perspectives exist.
@@bishbosh4815 The thing is....Noone is erasing heterosexuality households. They will exist and continue to exist for all eternity so why is the minority of households now shunned and disapproved due to they're slightly different, non-harmful functionalities.
It pissed me off so much how they treated Elizabeth. She is living proof of her point and yet they still are so stuck in their ways. Homophobia is so rampant it even extends to the children of same-sex couples. I hope her whole family is doing well. I commend her on how well she handled that whole situation. I would be fuming. I already am fuming and I don't even have same-sex parents.
I don’t think it’s homophobia. There’s just a different love/experience/security with a mother and father.
@@couponingwithnikita9374 saying that a child would be "lacking" in some sort of experience by having single sex parents (despite the subject to the parenting - the child - telling you that this is false) implies that mothers & fathers have some inherent, biological traits that differentiate their parenting styles. Which is the basis to all misogynistic and homophobic thinking. It all derives back to ignorance and prejudice.
There is nothing a father can do for a child that a mother can't, vice versa.
@@reecye it’s not homophobic thinking. Never said they shouldn’t adopt. All I said was It’s not the same as being raised with a mom and a dad. The gay dad just said he has to ask other women to speak to her about her period. What about when she gets pregnant? She can’t even ask her dads for tips. Also unless she has a girly gay dad, she won’t experience certain things that women like to do. Yeah she can do them w her dad but it’s not the same experience.
Women are nurtures
Doesn't matter how you feel, mothers and fathers are fundamental in the upbringing of a child. There is no other bond that can fill that void. You're delusional if you think otherwise
@@L2-L2 So, what do you say to the people who were raised in same-sex households that are currently thriving in nearly every category, far more than most straight-couples children? Do they simply not exist?
It is very true about having to have a father and mother figure. bBut sometimes it doesn't come from your real parents, I, for example, had a mom and dad, but my mom was terrible, so even when I had a mom, she wasn't my mother figure, it was my aunt and my grandmother, so I totally agree with Raw.
these people are crazy 😂, how are you so against a child having 2 loving parents in general.. love is love.. love is the most important thing
Mike lost all respect from me when he said "I don't care about studies". It is the equivalent of saying "I will deny the facts that are not convenient to me" 💀
Yeah I think even he'll cringe a bit if he watches this video back. It's not the sort of thing anyone would say if they were thinking rationally, it's said without thinking when the person is being challenged well and doesn't want to give any ground.
That's the thing, it's easy to manipulate data to fit any narrative.
@@Paul2377 i agree
And he’d be the first one to say that their isn’t enough studies and data on the vaccine 😂
@@Paul2377 I don’t and won’t cringe. I don’t care about stats or data when I’m having a subjective discussion on raising children. Stats literally mean nothing to me
"I don't agree with most of the sh*t you guys said" really threw me. I love her! 😂😂😂
But she was still able to find something to agree with. It takes a very open minded and mature person to be able to find something they agree with instead of focusing on everything they disagree with.
I did not like that. Everyone was talking is a respectful way. 🫤
@@iraidar3364 I didn't like that either. None of the conservative parents called anything the other parents said 'sh*t.' There wasn't any need for her to be disrespectful that way. Could as easily have just said she didn't agree and continue on from there with whatever she had to say about it.
@iraidar3364 i mean cmon. At some point, in their rambling, i lost track what they wanted to say. They are trying to create stuff that isnt there
@@iraidar3364 articulate? maybe. respectful? no. they were being very condescending
I love how they were all able to be heard, even though they had disagreements. I was amazed at how much each person had in common and how they could smile through their differences and relate. I saw nothing but love and respect in this video and hope to incorporate listening better even when I don’t agree with someone. These discussions are very deep and I thank all for being transparent ❤
11:45 was laughable bc i was raised in a single parent household, my mother WAS my mother & my father and i didn’t miss out on nothing. i never wanted for a father my mom showed my a picture of him at 13 & i genuinely did not care abt my sperm donor🤣
It’s been proven that a no father household has negative affects
@@ryanacey1468 it may have some negative effects on some people for sure; definitely not for me but it’s understandable to not understand that if you grew up needing both parents🤷🏽♀️
@@ryanacey1468what are these negative effects
i would love to hear these “negative *effect*”
“i don’t care about the studies, studies mean nothing to me” that was absolutely BONKERS lol
Mike was insufferable
It's crazy how Aldo kinda used Elizabeth's same-sex household as a punching bag, bringing it back even after the topic was over and she had already cried.
uh based.
Don't go into a debate if you're going to cry
@@Rin22730bro wut😭 the people around her reminded her of the trauma she had been thru by the things they were saying. human emotion is normal dumbass.
@@Rin22730 The point of this is to discuss things. Not be a shitsucker who makes people cry by ragging on the same topic after its been discussed.
@@Rin22730only it’s not a debate it’s middle ground :)
The mother conversation is disgusting. My mom did not have any sort of natural or nurturing connection to me. She was abusive and a drug addict. I saw my grandma as a true mother to me and i still do. I would have GLADLY been taken care of by a loving home with 2 dads.
Though my mother is not a drug addict she was a gambler/smoker and heavily abusive when I was younger to the point my blood boils when I look at the women now. I agree, idc what parents you give me. 2 moms, 2 dads, it does not matter as long as they love me and care for me.
Exactly this
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Well the drugs are the answer to why your mom sucked. Drugs destroy people.
The black guy is insufferable.
He sounds extremely dense and slow. He had no father; a shitty relationship w/ this mom b/c the woman most likely had to work all the time; and now he is resentful, dim-witted and clueless. Societally, he is a discard and nothing more.
There’s no such thing as hitting someone out of love.
literally as a person with a dad who hit me. i am not glad he did and i will forever fear him even years later
Yea you don’t hit your close friend or your partner when they do something wrong so I don’t see why you’d do that to a child which is arguably worse. I think it’s a superiority thing, the kid is smaller and can’t do anything about it so they hit them. Can’t really do the same with an adult
@@Deivid-bn6yw I agree
Tiger parenting makes me cower in fear. I experienced this first hand from my mum who abused me physically and mentally for years because she "cared" for me. I am who I am today not because of that style of parenting. In fact, she created a rebellious and excellent liar. But I will say I do contribute to society and on the surface my asian parents can say they are 'proud' of me.
My mom used to abuse me physically and when I tried to talk about it with my grandma she always said “it’s ok to hit kids if you do it with love”, like deadpan.
Years after asked my cousins if grandma ever told them something like this and turned out I was the only one 😃