Oh man, Hook on SNES is a surprisingly good game. I remember getting it for Christmas and thinking "darn, why did they buy this instead of something better?" only to put the cart in and and quickly realize it was a very good game. The gameplay really made the game work. It's definitely worth playing even today.
+GameXplain That's pretty rude language from a rather large game channel. No symbols means you're not joking, so you or whichever of your staff posted this meant this. If you're going to be dicks to other gaming channels, people might unsub from your channel.
+Punished Roy +The Name's Recoome Yikes, I was really surprised to see both of your responses (particularly as my comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular). I assure you I was using ProTip in the manor of how the almighty Urban Dictionary defines it: "Obvious advice sarcastically presented as sage wisdom" Sorry if that wasn't clear (I'm guessing you guys weren't big GamePro readers! ). I've actually quite enjoyed every video I've seen of Game Sack and wouldn't comment at all if I felt otherwise
Your Altered Beast cartridge label darkened like that because the manufacturer used cheap quality glue. The same thing happens to Activision carts on the 2600. Thank you for all your wonderful videos.
Hook is still one of my fav hidden gems. I was playing through it late last year when I found out for the first time there was a way to run by holding either the attack or jump button down. When I saw it made you fly faster to it blew my dam mind.
I did the same thing. Got through almost the whole game thinking you couldn't run and couldn't get through the last part. The game is way better once you realize that you can run. Did these guys ever correct this oversight?
L removes the fruit border in Yoshi's Story. I grew up with the game as a kid and my Parents were one of those people where "you can't get a new game until you beat the one you have" kind of people. I really got into Yoshi's Story, I even found the Black and White Yoshi's which were 'secret' ones.
Not only can you turn the square of fruits off in Yoshis Story but you can also center them more or move em more towards the edges. Gotta play around with the controller Dave....!
Please forgive my negative rant 5 years later…I do remember thinking the beast morph concept and voice clips were neat, just poorly executed. Sorry Joe
I bought the Genesis at launch and while I didn't hate Altered Beast, I never thought it was a good game - other than the graphics, which looks stunning at the time. But in general everything I ever heard about Altered Beast was that it was a good looking game that wasn't very good - and that was what people, my friends, what I read in magazines, all said. Not a bad pack in game, but not a system mover, and if you're going to pack in something, it should make you want to buy the system to play it. Sega did eventually figure this out with Sonic.
Great to see Altered Beast getting some respect from a mainstream UA-cam creator! Same goes for China Warrior. Milon's Secret Castle has never clicked with me, but as Dave alluded to, I think it's because I don't understand how to play the game. Yoshi's Story is a cool game; I didn't realize that it was considered "bad" by some. Glad you guys are feeling better. Welcome back!
Good episode; really refreshing to watch something that reviews middle of the road titles. Many vids focus just on the best or the worst but the majority of titles fall into this category so it is great to see it featured like this, Keep up the good work!
William Hall just seeing the cabinet blew me away! there was usually a crowd in front, but i still got chills just seeing the side of the machine when walking by ... 😺 then that dip switch mode on the Genesis increased the replay value bigtime by trying different beasts for different levels 😸
I just discovered your show and I have to say, I like how positive you guys are. I mean, you call a spade a spade when something about a game sucks, but the fact that you even have a video about games that aren't as bad as you would think or that their rep would have you believe speaks to the positive qualities of your show. Nice to see something other than "the 10 worst games evar!1" for once. 10/10 will watch more.
Dave is absolutely wrong about Hook. It has a run mechanic, you just have to hold the SNES 'Y' button. It allow you, inclusive, to fly faster and pass that difficult spiky part in Hook's ship. That game was a gen. Try it again Dave!
Why are people on UA-cam always so damn clueless about the games they play. AVN didn't know you could run in Dennis the Menace. If you think you might be doing something wrong in a game you're unfamiliar with just watch a speed run or long play video of it.
thank God a new ep :) i was just thinkin yesterday how i could use a dose of sack. don't ever change your format. it's perfect. there's not many half hour shows i actually watch all the way through on youtube, with you guys its just natural and i always want more.
Not that it's a good game by any stretch of the imagination, but E.T. is not nearly as bad as people like to claim it is, nor is it anywhere near the worst Atari VCS game.
I rented that Hook game constantly back in the day. I think I just really liked the ability to fly around in it, and the music was just like the movie!
I loved Hook the SNES! I played it all the way through, I thought its soundtrack was particularly on point. And the ending with the completely stiff crocodile was epic.
Yoshi Story is an awesome game and you can turn the fruit display off, you know. I can't understand how you wouldn't figure that out, but whatever. I played the crap out of it and the only reason I don't have it anymore is because it my copy went missing mysteriously a few years after I got it.
oh how i would love to see more on this topic. so many 'popular' opinions on youtube for so many games are just completely ridiculous and a pure result of groupthink. nice episode as always!
Thank you Joe 🙏 it’s nice to see someone stick up for Altered Beast for a change. I never quite understood why Altered Beast gets so much hate. Game devs were working with a new system/new software I suppose, but I think the game is fine. Nothing spectacular or noteworthy really, but I don’t think it warrants the hate it receives. Also, like you Joe, my opinion may be a bit biased and might be skewed through my nostalgia goggles, as it was the first game I had for the Genesis as well. Admittedly, the game is quite primitive and there isn’t a whole lot to it, but it still plays pretty well. The whole vibe of the setting, the characters, and especially the music, gives off a sense of foreboding. I don’t ever hear anyone praise the music, so I guess I’m in the minority with my appreciation for it. I LOVE the first song. It’s amazing how much of an impact music can have on a game. But anyway, I know I’m 6 years late to this video but I’ve seen all of the newer gamesack videos :( so now I’m binging on the older ones. This channel is by far the best gaming channel! We all miss Dave, of course, but I am so glad that Joe stuck around for us! I totally understand and respect Dave’s decision to part ways so he can focus more on his family and his responsibilities, but I bet he misses you Joe! Poor guy, being an adult sucks lol. Who wants to sacrifice their fun video game channel with their buddy, for their job at UPS 💔 lol I’m sure it pains Dave deep down, but I hope he and his family are doing well! Miss you man! And Joe, I love YOU! thanks for remaining faithful and not cheating on us like Dave 😆 jk Great video by the way! 🖤
Holy mindbliwing, Batman! I've beaten this game several times and never found out I'm reading thus at 1 a.m. and of course I need to try it right now..!
Damn I had no idea Yoshi’s Story had a bad reputation. And I kinda liked the way you move onto another world after one level. It gave you incentive to play through the story a few times. Also the hidden black and white Yoshis you can find that join your team and basically act as extra lives
I've been watching gamesack for at least t years. Don't know how I missed this episode, but holy crap. Shadow Blasters... I have had this memory for almost 30 years of the boss fight with the gigantic sprites, floating in space. I only played this game once when I was 8 or 9 as a weekend rental. I couldn't remember anything else about the game other than the boss fight. I've tried googling to figure out what game this is many times over the past 15 years! I'm definitely going to pick this one up and finally satisfy my nostalgia. Thanks Joe!
Milon's is a great game. It's like a mix of The New Zealand Story, Metroid, and Simon's Quest. It is hampered by frustrating controls and sloppy hit detection, though. It's also great proof that nobody reads manuals, as it clearly states that you're meant to use your bubbles to break blocks to find items. Angry Video Game Nerd single handedly made this game out to be something mind bendingly impossible and ultra confusing, when in fact all you need to do is fire bubbles at everything and rub up against every wall. It's exactly the same as what you do on Metroid, but Metroid is a huge sprawling planet whereas Milon is a handful of little rooms.
HOOK in SNES is such an underappreciated gem Great music, good levels, and there is a run button you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Was that enough exclamation marks to make my point?)
This was a good episode. It reminds me of why I subbed in the first place. As for games I love that get a bad rep, Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days. Sure, it's bad, but as a cover shooter, it ticks all the boxes.
24:25 This is such a cathartic moment, guys! Thank you so much for that - in the era of console wars, paid reviews and cliche game journalism, we truly forget that it's okay to get enjoyment from what you really like playing! I am sometimes surprised when I realise that many games I played and loved 20 years ago are considered crap and, honestly, from an experienced player's point of view, really are crap. But I don't care!
In "Hook," you hold down the "Y" button to fly faster and to RUN. That's how you get through the spiked corridors AND how you make Peter look badass. Also, the music is EXCELLENT. Easy one of the selling points for me as a kid - aside from the GamePro review of the SNES cart, which gave the game PERFECT SCORES IN EVERYTHING (seriously), was the amazing work on the soundtrack.
What about an episode discussing games that are dismissed due to how similar they are to popular games: Ex. 8-Eyes (Castlevania), Ranger X (Blaster Master...sort of), Gunstar Heroes (Contra), Kid Chameleon (Super Mario Bros. 3), etc. I love your videos, guys.
I think it's the adhesive that starts bleeding through the label? My Altered Beast and GREEN DOWG are in the same shape. Streets of Rage, as well. I'll eventually replace the labels, because screw people these are my games. Not sure if I'm right about the adhesive bit, but I'm totally right about screw people. And I think they redid the voices from Altered Beast because Neff sounded like the snarky guy at a... specialty bar...
Beatdown: Fists of Vengeance. It's a 3-D beat em up made by Capcom and directed by our friend Kenji Inafune. It seems to be hated by nearly everyone who remembers it. But I'll tell you back in the day I rented it and loved it so much that when it was due back I returned it and headed straight over to Best Buy and bought myself a copy. I've played through it at least 10 times.
+Yes Imsure Exactly! lol and the Famicom\Super Famicom are for grown folks only. And got these little kids around thinking the Super Nintendo was edgy, hardcore and shit! 😆
That Hook game would’ve been even better if it was just called “Rufio” because then you wouldn’t be a slow, middle aged man in tights-and if I recall Rufio had a cool sword.
I love Altered Beast! I play the arcade version of it a lot when I have a half hour to kill on Sonic's Ultimate Collection on 360, it isn't as good with that wonky-ass d-pad on those controllers, but I still love it every time. It reminds me of playing it on the machine at the gas station back in the day when I needed to get rid of my allowance.
In Hook, if you hold down the weapon button, you can dash and even fly faster. It makes the game a lot more fun, in my opinion and I still enjoy it to this day. I'd go back and give it a try, if you could :)
I'm a little late and I didn't see anyone mention it while glancing through comments, but in "HOOK" you CAN run and fly faster! Just attack once and hold down the button and you'll pick up the pace!
The adhesive used to adhere the label to the cart is breaking down... It's weird, cause companies must switch out products during production runs cause you'll get some carts that begin to look like yours, and some that look flawless... If the cart was previously exposed to the elements, i.e. stored in an attic/storage unit or kept at a flea market etc., that can speed up the deterioration process... But yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what that is - It's happened to a few of my Genesis games...
Altered Beast is an average game at best with a really cool idea behind it. I really wish someone would take the concept and make a much better game out of it.
@@SunChipss By "concept" I mean the whole powering up into a monster form in a sidescrolling action game, not a one on one fighting game. Monster Party and Werewolf on NES are the closest games I can think of just off the top of my head.
@@davidaitken8503 oh shit, try Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. It’s like $3 on mobile and plays really well if you want to check it out easily. You can transform into a bat, a wolf, and a mist (looks like Chowder’s pet fart, Kimchi). Majora’s Mask also comes to mind with its mask transformations, Kirby games with the copy ability, and maybe even Super Mario Bros 3 with the costumes. And of course, who can forget the Warioland games? Lots of silly ass transformations that all serve a purpose. Hope this helps, broski.
@@SunChipss I've played all of those games. Kirby Super Star is one of my all time favorites. I was talking more specifically about the way Altered Beast does the whole transformation concept. I'm not suggesting there aren't a ton of games that have transformations of some kind.:)
A couple of things on Yoshi's Story (from memory having last played the game in...1998 or so?) - I remember the disappointment that it was more a kid's game than a sequel to Yoshi's Island. A lot of people were hoping for the latter than the former. That it was so easy was a bit of a letdown. - If you take it for what it is - a cute, happy game with fun mechanics - it's a lot better. - I think you can hit L or R or Z or something to hide the fruits - There's a bonus for collecting all of the light green melons instead of the other fruits. That's what I used to do for an added challenge.
The awful singing at the end of Yoshi's story was my favorite end game moment ever. It was absolutely hilarious and makes me chuckle now whenever I hear it. Yes, that's like 20 years later....so it's definitely a great addition
That darkening has a nickname "actiplaque" since Activision labels are notorious for it. It has to do with the glue aging. If the lamination on the label is worn or not as thick(like less shiney when new) it usually will darken the worst. Hope that explains a little!
Back in the day I really couldn't get into Yoshi's Story no matter how much I tried, but like Dave it's been eons since I've bothered with it. Makes me curious if it'd be a bit better for me the second time around like it was for him. I know it was like that for me with Final Fantasy 8 so who knows?
It might be a really subjective topic, but I think this is an excellent idea for episodes! I hope you guys do a bunch more - there are so many games that have been slandered by popular reviewers and younger players might assume are terrible, when that's not the case at all. Castlevania 2 and Zelda 2 are two of the biggest that come to mind, when in actuality they're both fantastic games, just different from and maybe not quite as good as the other entries to their series around the time of their release. I know you've talked about those in particular before but this is the kind of subject that would make it kosher to bring them up again, and many, many more along those lines, even if the point here seemed to be slightly lesser-known titles.
In Yoshi's Story you can make the fruit on the screen go away. If you hit the D-pad it goes away. I like having the fruit on the screen but yeah for you that tip might be worth knowing. That was my favorite N64 game lol. I also love having the black and white yoshi's once you unlock them.
No one I knew. Pretty sure it's a classic to everyone who played it, and is a great example of an arcade port done right, but I only ever played the Genesis version.
Yoshi's Story was my very first N64 experience back in 2005. I was 18 back then and the N64 was a gift from a room mate. One year later he sold me his old Xbox. I only had my good old Sega Mega Drive as a kid so I've missed out on a lot of gaming. That's fine though, as I think it makes me appreciate the classics a lot more. Also, you can disable the HUD in YS. ;)
Great episode, I freaking love Yoshi's story growing up and still get a kick out of it today. One thing I never understood though is why everyone complains about the fruit around the boarder of the screen. It goes away if you press the L button. Seriously that's all you have to do.
+DonpatchXD now that people have pointed that out and how to run in Hook, Joe and Dave have the makings of a future Game Sack episode. Perhaps we'll see them do a video on games that are even better the third time around.
I have never heared a whole lot of bad things about Yoshi's Story before. Maybe Europe just liked it a lot more than America for some reason? Anyway, one game that I think is not as bad as others think is *Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts*. Yes, it's not the Banjo-Threeie we are still waiting for (but probably will get in the form of Yooka-Laylee), but it's a perfectly fine game in it's own right. Just forget about the marketing leading up to it or pretend that it's Lego Racers 3 or something, and you will have a lot of fun in a vehicular platformer with your favorite characters from the BK franchise.
I'm unlike most in that I don't let a brand name make me expect and hate something. If a Nintendo IP turned into some kind of RTS or TBS, I might be confused (unless, you know, it was one in the first place), but if it's a good game, I don't give a darn if it's the next Pokémon game.
I had no idea what B&K was before Nuts And Bolts, so, with an unbiased opinion (and as a child), picked it up, played it, loved it, broke it, cried for it. Stupid Xbox 360 laser!
dont shame yourself for altered beast - i have started to play it weak ago, and only just right now i altered into a tiger on a last live and that crocodile is too tricky, but i like my slow progress, it is fun little game that always feels doable, never makes you try too hard, and i ll feel sadly when i ll finish it maybe next two weeks and i already know that i will try GBA version next)
@@t0xcn253 i would forgive terrible art style if it wasn't long and boring: time of 1st level on genesis is 1:40 , for GBA is 6:00 - there was old arcade game design of cheap tricks, to provide to you new gameplay situations, it was stressful fight against game, but new game is ... mindless button mashing, i havent seen 2nd level, who knows, maybe it is better game but nobody wanted to play it because of first impression
@@knkn5049 I agree that the pacing is awful, and although I really love the background and overall level design as it stays true to the original the player character does this too although in the most vanilla way possible until reaching the beast state. At that point he looks just as out-of-place as the enemies all do. Like they aren't even from the same game. Also, the insane number of them and palette swaps of which I counted at least 5 for the primary ghouls on lvl 1 alone. Boss design is okay too but it's all a very mixed bag. It does at least seem more in line with the original than the ps2 sequel where all ancient Greek stuff was totally dropped. Albeit the impressive character design and huge number of transformations were a strong point there but like the GBA it suffered from weak pacing and gameplay or so I hear. Would still love a chance to play that one someday regardless.
I absolutely LOVE Yoshi's Story. It may not be perfect, but dang it every time I decide to go back and play it it puts the biggest smile on my face. That and Yoshi is one of my favorite video game characters of all time. Also, I haven't heard much hate for the game, just that people wish it was like Yoshi's Island, but they still like it.
You can run in Hook. Great game! Just hold the Y button down while pushing a direction and after a few moments Pan will burst run. Much easier to jump bigger pits later on. Love the show!
Most guys don't want to like or be seen liking anything cute. When SMW2:Yoshi's Island was released, I remember a lot of people not liking it because of whaling baby Mario. Times have changed. Maybe nostalgia has something to do with it. They're both decent platformers, but I could take less screaming Mario, please!
WhatsOnMyShelf exactly lol. That's one upside. Another is the boss fights to me. It had some pretty epic fights outside if maybe like one xD but pretty cool game. And the fact that there's secret yoshis was cool to me. Idk. But they are very close concept wise (island and smw2) but you're probably right about the cute thing
I think the Yoshi's was aimed at a younger audience as well. The boss fights were not difficult and the story book presentation may have been a way to relate to younger children. It doesn't take away from the fact that the graphics were unique and it was truly a solo Yoshi platformer; something up until that time had been reserved only for Mario & Luigi (of course, Peach and Toad in SMB2).
+thefrankiepalmeri Friend and I rented that one when it first came out. Beat it the first day cuz we played it non-stop. Very awesome and original game thats underrated.
thefrankiepalmeri Also was one of the first cheaper games I had to pick up on the system more recently. One of two games released on the N64 I believe :)
Great episode guys. Maybe next time you do an episode like this you could include reviews from popular publications from the time of the game's release. Just a thought, but I think it would add something to have an example of a contrasting opinion, and you could maybe address where a reviewer's opinion differs from your take on a game.
I'm really glad about what you guys said at the ending. While it is great reading and watching videos of reviews, you should always try out a game no matter what. Thanks for uploading another great video.
These guys always make my day. Thank you. BTW: an idea for a future episode: why not the other way around: games that are way too overrated that are actually pieces of crap.
gozinta82 Well, we all wanna believe the games we like are good. No one wants to own up to a guilty pleasure. But at the end of the day we gotta admit tastes are subjective and a matter of personal opinion. All I wanna know is Joe and Dave's opinions on what games they think are overrated. That's all. And if it's OK to like what everybody else loathes, why is it wrong to dislike what everybody else likes? This video should have been as controversial as the one I'm proposing. But wasn't.
To move quicker in Hook, hold down the attack button. Same thing when you fly.
Oh man, Hook on SNES is a surprisingly good game. I remember getting it for Christmas and thinking "darn, why did they buy this instead of something better?" only to put the cart in and and quickly realize it was a very good game. The gameplay really made the game work. It's definitely worth playing even today.
Pro Tip: You can turn off the Fruit border in Yoshi's Story with L.
Bonus Pro Tip: Play Yoshi's Island instead
Prick.
+GameXplain That's pretty rude language from a rather large game channel.
No symbols means you're not joking, so you or whichever of your staff posted this meant this. If you're going to be dicks to other gaming channels, people might unsub from your channel.
+The Name's Recoome what are you talkjng about?
lol, good tips thnx.
+Punished Roy +The Name's Recoome Yikes, I was really surprised to see both of your responses (particularly as my comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular). I assure you I was using ProTip in the manor of how the almighty Urban Dictionary defines it: "Obvious advice sarcastically presented as sage wisdom" Sorry if that wasn't clear (I'm guessing you guys weren't big GamePro readers! ). I've actually quite enjoyed every video I've seen of Game Sack and wouldn't comment at all if I felt otherwise
I like the genesis "Welcome to your doom" better than arcade, sounds more evil
Your Altered Beast cartridge label darkened like that because the manufacturer used cheap quality glue. The same thing happens to Activision carts on the 2600. Thank you for all your wonderful videos.
Hook is still one of my fav hidden gems. I was playing through it late last year when I found out for the first time there was a way to run by holding either the attack or jump button down. When I saw it made you fly faster to it blew my dam mind.
I did the same thing. Got through almost the whole game thinking you couldn't run and couldn't get through the last part. The game is way better once you realize that you can run. Did these guys ever correct this oversight?
@@DoomPlague completely agreed. I still thought of hook as a hidden gem prior to the run feature. After its one of my fav underrated classics haha
I had fun with Altered Beast as well. I didn't realize it had such a bad reputation.
L removes the fruit border in Yoshi's Story. I grew up with the game as a kid and my Parents were one of those people where "you can't get a new game until you beat the one you have" kind of people. I really got into Yoshi's Story, I even found the Black and White Yoshi's which were 'secret' ones.
Not only can you turn the square of fruits off in Yoshis Story but you can also center them more or move em more towards the edges.
Gotta play around with the controller Dave....!
"Games That Aren't as Bad as You Might Think"
Altered Beast as first game...
WHAT THE FUCK???!!!
Please forgive my negative rant 5 years later…I do remember thinking the beast morph concept and voice clips were neat, just poorly executed. Sorry Joe
Some games that are better than people give credit for:
Simon's Quest (NES)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (NES)
Zelda II (NES)
Columns (Genesis)
I didn't even know people hated Altered Beast. I always thought it was great, most of my friends did too. It was awesome back in the day.
Deca it’s revisionist history. Most people liked it back in the day, now people say it sucks for some reason.
I bought the Genesis at launch and while I didn't hate Altered Beast, I never thought it was a good game - other than the graphics, which looks stunning at the time. But in general everything I ever heard about Altered Beast was that it was a good looking game that wasn't very good - and that was what people, my friends, what I read in magazines, all said. Not a bad pack in game, but not a system mover, and if you're going to pack in something, it should make you want to buy the system to play it. Sega did eventually figure this out with Sonic.
@@Rountree1985 By "revisionist history" do you mean people changing theory minds? Lmao.
Me either.
Great to see Altered Beast getting some respect from a mainstream UA-cam creator! Same goes for China Warrior. Milon's Secret Castle has never clicked with me, but as Dave alluded to, I think it's because I don't understand how to play the game. Yoshi's Story is a cool game; I didn't realize that it was considered "bad" by some.
Glad you guys are feeling better. Welcome back!
Good episode; really refreshing to watch something that reviews middle of the road titles. Many vids focus just on the best or the worst but the majority of titles fall into this category so it is great to see it featured like this, Keep up the good work!
This is the first I'm hearing of anybody hating Altered Beast. This was always a classic among my circle of peeps.
same
dude for real I LOVED that game as a kid!
William Hall just seeing the cabinet blew me away!
there was usually a crowd in front, but i still got chills just seeing the side of the machine when walking by ... 😺
then that dip switch mode on the Genesis increased the replay value bigtime by trying different beasts for different levels 😸
I just discovered your show and I have to say, I like how positive you guys are. I mean, you call a spade a spade when something about a game sucks, but the fact that you even have a video about games that aren't as bad as you would think or that their rep would have you believe speaks to the positive qualities of your show. Nice to see something other than "the 10 worst games evar!1" for once. 10/10 will watch more.
Dave is absolutely wrong about Hook. It has a run mechanic, you just have to hold the SNES 'Y' button. It allow you, inclusive, to fly faster and pass that difficult spiky part in Hook's ship. That game was a gen. Try it again Dave!
Why are people on UA-cam always so damn clueless about the games they play. AVN didn't know you could run in Dennis the Menace. If you think you might be doing something wrong in a game you're unfamiliar with just watch a speed run or long play video of it.
Oh, I don't know, maybe because they played the game a decade before the internet, dipshit. Seriously, it took this long for someone to say this?
@@davidaitken8503 🤡
About Hook, I don't know if someone have already said but you can run by holding the attack button (Y). I really like this game.
+Marcelo Nonato Yeah, how do so many people miss that? They must think that "attack = run" is exclusive to the Mario series.
The fruit border in Yoshi's Story can be removed or repositioned with the c stick.
thank God a new ep :) i was just thinkin yesterday how i could use a dose of sack. don't ever change your format. it's perfect. there's not many half hour shows i actually watch all the way through on youtube, with you guys its just natural and i always want more.
The sack is back! Sorry to hear you guys were both sick last week. Great video, respect the sack!
Not that it's a good game by any stretch of the imagination, but E.T. is not nearly as bad as people like to claim it is, nor is it anywhere near the worst Atari VCS game.
rednight I agree with you... People always said E.T. is worst game ever made but real worst game ever made is... ACTION 52!
I rented that Hook game constantly back in the day. I think I just really liked the ability to fly around in it, and the music was just like the movie!
I loved Hook the SNES! I played it all the way through, I thought its soundtrack was particularly on point. And the ending with the completely stiff crocodile was epic.
Yoshi Story is an awesome game and you can turn the fruit display off, you know. I can't understand how you wouldn't figure that out, but whatever. I played the crap out of it and the only reason I don't have it anymore is because it my copy went missing mysteriously a few years after I got it.
oh how i would love to see more on this topic. so many 'popular' opinions on youtube for so many games are just completely ridiculous and a pure result of groupthink. nice episode as always!
Thank you Joe 🙏 it’s nice to see someone stick up for Altered Beast for a change. I never quite understood why Altered Beast gets so much hate. Game devs were working with a new system/new software I suppose, but I think the game is fine. Nothing spectacular or noteworthy really, but I don’t think it warrants the hate it receives. Also, like you Joe, my opinion may be a bit biased and might be skewed through my nostalgia goggles, as it was the first game I had for the Genesis as well. Admittedly, the game is quite primitive and there isn’t a whole lot to it, but it still plays pretty well. The whole vibe of the setting, the characters, and especially the music, gives off a sense of foreboding. I don’t ever hear anyone praise the music, so I guess I’m in the minority with my appreciation for it. I LOVE the first song. It’s amazing how much of an impact music can have on a game. But anyway, I know I’m 6 years late to this video but I’ve seen all of the newer gamesack videos :( so now I’m binging on the older ones. This channel is by far the best gaming channel! We all miss Dave, of course, but I am so glad that Joe stuck around for us! I totally understand and respect Dave’s decision to part ways so he can focus more on his family and his responsibilities, but I bet he misses you Joe! Poor guy, being an adult sucks lol. Who wants to sacrifice their fun video game channel with their buddy, for their job at UPS 💔 lol I’m sure it pains Dave deep down, but I hope he and his family are doing well! Miss you man! And Joe, I love YOU! thanks for remaining faithful and not cheating on us like Dave 😆 jk Great video by the way! 🖤
I'm sure someone has said this but you can run in Hook just hold down the jump button. It's a good have, it may be nostalgia, but I enjoy it.
Holy mindbliwing, Batman! I've beaten this game several times and never found out
I'm reading thus at 1 a.m. and of course I need to try it right now..!
Damn I had no idea Yoshi’s Story had a bad reputation. And I kinda liked the way you move onto another world after one level. It gave you incentive to play through the story a few times. Also the hidden black and white Yoshis you can find that join your team and basically act as extra lives
I think Goemon047's review of Yoshi Story explains why most people passed it over, as well as why one might give it a second chance.
Wait, people don't like Altered Beast? Sure it can be hard, but I always used to have fun with it, the Genesis version at least.
I thought Altered Beast was considered to be good by most people...
College zoomers were told it was bad. As a late gen xer, I was shocked.
Altered beast sucks
I've been watching gamesack for at least t years. Don't know how I missed this episode, but holy crap. Shadow Blasters... I have had this memory for almost 30 years of the boss fight with the gigantic sprites, floating in space. I only played this game once when I was 8 or 9 as a weekend rental. I couldn't remember anything else about the game other than the boss fight. I've tried googling to figure out what game this is many times over the past 15 years! I'm definitely going to pick this one up and finally satisfy my nostalgia. Thanks Joe!
I had the same thing about the SNES Taz game, which I recommend you do not pick up.
These guys have a fantastic T-shirt collection!
I have started the video and... What? Altered Beast? Hated? This thing is a Classic here in Brazil!
Milon's is a great game. It's like a mix of The New Zealand Story, Metroid, and Simon's Quest. It is hampered by frustrating controls and sloppy hit detection, though. It's also great proof that nobody reads manuals, as it clearly states that you're meant to use your bubbles to break blocks to find items.
Angry Video Game Nerd single handedly made this game out to be something mind bendingly impossible and ultra confusing, when in fact all you need to do is fire bubbles at everything and rub up against every wall. It's exactly the same as what you do on Metroid, but Metroid is a huge sprawling planet whereas Milon is a handful of little rooms.
Altered Beast is awesome. I don't care what anyone says. That was one of the first home games that was really close to the arcade version.
HOOK in SNES is such an underappreciated gem
Great music, good levels, and there is a run button you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Was that enough exclamation marks to make my point?)
This was a good episode. It reminds me of why I subbed in the first place.
As for games I love that get a bad rep, Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days. Sure, it's bad, but as a cover shooter, it ticks all the boxes.
i think you might be playing Hook wrong, because i very clearly remember running and flying fast.
Great episode. would like to see more in this series. also, really glad you guys are feeling better again!
I never understood the Altered Beat hate. That game sold me my Genesis.
24:25 This is such a cathartic moment, guys! Thank you so much for that - in the era of console wars, paid reviews and cliche game journalism, we truly forget that it's okay to get enjoyment from what you really like playing! I am sometimes surprised when I realise that many games I played and loved 20 years ago are considered crap and, honestly, from an experienced player's point of view, really are crap. But I don't care!
On Yoshi's Story you can use the D Pad to change the size of the fruit frame and completely hide it.
In "Hook," you hold down the "Y" button to fly faster and to RUN. That's how you get through the spiked corridors AND how you make Peter look badass.
Also, the music is EXCELLENT. Easy one of the selling points for me as a kid - aside from the GamePro review of the SNES cart, which gave the game PERFECT SCORES IN EVERYTHING (seriously), was the amazing work on the soundtrack.
Hook does have a run button hold on the attack button and he'll run he can even fly faster when he's got pixie dust by holding same button
What about an episode discussing games that are dismissed due to how similar they are to popular games:
Ex. 8-Eyes (Castlevania), Ranger X (Blaster Master...sort of), Gunstar Heroes (Contra), Kid Chameleon (Super Mario Bros. 3), etc. I love your videos, guys.
I think it's the adhesive that starts bleeding through the label? My Altered Beast and GREEN DOWG are in the same shape. Streets of Rage, as well. I'll eventually replace the labels, because screw people these are my games. Not sure if I'm right about the adhesive bit, but I'm totally right about screw people.
And I think they redid the voices from Altered Beast because Neff sounded like the snarky guy at a... specialty bar...
Beatdown: Fists of Vengeance. It's a 3-D beat em up made by Capcom and directed by our friend Kenji Inafune. It seems to be hated by nearly everyone who remembers it. But I'll tell you back in the day I rented it and loved it so much that when it was due back I returned it and headed straight over to Best Buy and bought myself a copy. I've played through it at least 10 times.
Would love to see a "children's games that don't suck" episode. Great video though guys. Glad your both feeling better. 😎👍
SHITEN MYOUUUUUUUUU!!!!!
+Ryan Amberger Your avatar gave me cancer.
+Yes Imsure Exactly! lol and the Famicom\Super Famicom are for grown folks only.
And got these little kids around thinking the Super Nintendo was edgy, hardcore and shit! 😆
Don't you know? all games are for children. ;)
That Hook game would’ve been even better if it was just called “Rufio” because then you wouldn’t be a slow, middle aged man in tights-and if I recall Rufio had a cool sword.
I love Altered Beast! I play the arcade version of it a lot when I have a half hour to kill on Sonic's Ultimate Collection on 360, it isn't as good with that wonky-ass d-pad on those controllers, but I still love it every time. It reminds me of playing it on the machine at the gas station back in the day when I needed to get rid of my allowance.
In Hook, if you hold down the weapon button, you can dash and even fly faster. It makes the game a lot more fun, in my opinion and I still enjoy it to this day. I'd go back and give it a try, if you could :)
I'm a little late and I didn't see anyone mention it while glancing through comments, but in "HOOK" you CAN run and fly faster! Just attack once and hold down the button and you'll pick up the pace!
The adhesive used to adhere the label to the cart is breaking down... It's weird, cause companies must switch out products during production runs cause you'll get some carts that begin to look like yours, and some that look flawless... If the cart was previously exposed to the elements, i.e. stored in an attic/storage unit or kept at a flea market etc., that can speed up the deterioration process... But yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what that is - It's happened to a few of my Genesis games...
Altered Beast is a great game. Anyone who says different deserves a punch in the kneecap.
Altered Beast is an average game at best with a really cool idea behind it. I really wish someone would take the concept and make a much better game out of it.
@@davidaitken8503 Bloody Roar 1&2?
@@SunChipss By "concept" I mean the whole powering up into a monster form in a sidescrolling action game, not a one on one fighting game. Monster Party and Werewolf on NES are the closest games I can think of just off the top of my head.
@@davidaitken8503 oh shit, try Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. It’s like $3 on mobile and plays really well if you want to check it out easily. You can transform into a bat, a wolf, and a mist (looks like Chowder’s pet fart, Kimchi). Majora’s Mask also comes to mind with its mask transformations, Kirby games with the copy ability, and maybe even Super Mario Bros 3 with the costumes. And of course, who can forget the Warioland games? Lots of silly ass transformations that all serve a purpose. Hope this helps, broski.
@@SunChipss I've played all of those games. Kirby Super Star is one of my all time favorites. I was talking more specifically about the way Altered Beast does the whole transformation concept. I'm not suggesting there aren't a ton of games that have transformations of some kind.:)
You can move really fast in Hook by holding the attack button like in a MARIO game. Also while flying.
I missed my weekly sack last week, I was starving for some sack and I am so happy that this sack was so nourishing and satisfied my craving for sack.
what the fuck?
Cameron Mcdonley I love Joe and Dave's sack.
Either you're a chick or you're homosexual I can infer that but no matter what your sexuality is, leave your Joe and Dave fantasies to yourself.
Cameron Mcdonley You are going to tell me you didn't come here looking for some sack?
Fuck off with that shit. Go fuck yourself.
A couple of things on Yoshi's Story (from memory having last played the game in...1998 or so?)
- I remember the disappointment that it was more a kid's game than a sequel to Yoshi's Island. A lot of people were hoping for the latter than the former. That it was so easy was a bit of a letdown.
- If you take it for what it is - a cute, happy game with fun mechanics - it's a lot better.
- I think you can hit L or R or Z or something to hide the fruits
- There's a bonus for collecting all of the light green melons instead of the other fruits. That's what I used to do for an added challenge.
why don't people realize in yoshis story you just push the L button to hide or reveal the fruit readout
The awful singing at the end of Yoshi's story was my favorite end game moment ever. It was absolutely hilarious and makes me chuckle now whenever I hear it. Yes, that's like 20 years later....so it's definitely a great addition
Another game that gets a bad rap is the western rpg Elex. Very underrated gem despite mixed and mediocre reviews.
That darkening has a nickname "actiplaque" since Activision labels are notorious for it. It has to do with the glue aging. If the lamination on the label is worn or not as thick(like less shiney when new) it usually will darken the worst. Hope that explains a little!
you can totally hide the fruit on the side of Yoshi's Story. I thought it was a shoulder or a c button. You guys should be more thorough
Back in the day I really couldn't get into Yoshi's Story no matter how much I tried, but like Dave it's been eons since I've bothered with it. Makes me curious if it'd be a bit better for me the second time around like it was for him. I know it was like that for me with Final Fantasy 8 so who knows?
I feel like the hate for Altered Beast is oddly retroactive. I don't remember people hating on it when it was new. I was blown away by it myself.
It might be a really subjective topic, but I think this is an excellent idea for episodes! I hope you guys do a bunch more - there are so many games that have been slandered by popular reviewers and younger players might assume are terrible, when that's not the case at all. Castlevania 2 and Zelda 2 are two of the biggest that come to mind, when in actuality they're both fantastic games, just different from and maybe not quite as good as the other entries to their series around the time of their release. I know you've talked about those in particular before but this is the kind of subject that would make it kosher to bring them up again, and many, many more along those lines, even if the point here seemed to be slightly lesser-known titles.
Altered beast is the most underrated genesis game.
Its not that great but its not how bad people say it is, its a decent game
GameSack! Important content recomendation incoming:
Please make an episode about your favorite VG Music, that you listening to on your MP3 player.
In Hook, there's a "run" button when you fly, but it is not something that you'll know from the start :P
+MrJechgo Oh wow, that's pretty obscure, a dash for ONLY flying.
You can run too, if you hold the button down it kicks in after a second or two
In Yoshi's Story you can make the fruit on the screen go away. If you hit the D-pad it goes away. I like having the fruit on the screen but yeah for you that tip might be worth knowing. That was my favorite N64 game lol. I also love having the black and white yoshi's once you unlock them.
Who ever had the impression that altered beast was a bad game?
No one I knew. Pretty sure it's a classic to everyone who played it, and is a great example of an arcade port done right, but I only ever played the Genesis version.
I've heard this for a while, but I always used to think it was good.
awerawexd awerawer kids that watch knobs read off of Wikipedia on games they found on ROMs on their emulators, edit shit together and collect views.
Yoshi's Story was my very first N64 experience back in 2005. I was 18 back then and the N64 was a gift from a room mate. One year later he sold me his old Xbox. I only had my good old Sega Mega Drive as a kid so I've missed out on a lot of gaming. That's fine though, as I think it makes me appreciate the classics a lot more.
Also, you can disable the HUD in YS. ;)
If I recall there was a way to move the fruit display in Yoshi's Story closer to the edge of the screen while paused so it isn't as intrusive.
The D-pad allows you to do that at anytime paused or not, the L button gets rid of them entirely
@@clintosfan it's amazing how they always miss this sorta stuff. I love their videos, but they aren't...very good at video games. Lol
My favorite episode of the show yet. I agreed with many of your picks and learned about some intriguing games I’ve never heard of!
Love the show.
The symbol in altered beast looks like the saturn one
+Jonqen Ha! Never thought of that.
Good to see you guys back in good health. I really loved the concept behind this video, please do more of these if you find good candidates.
Altered beast is good just hope it had an ending to make me feel like i accomplished something
Great episode, I freaking love Yoshi's story growing up and still get a kick out of it today. One thing I never understood though is why everyone complains about the fruit around the boarder of the screen. It goes away if you press the L button. Seriously that's all you have to do.
+DonpatchXD now that people have pointed that out and how to run in Hook, Joe and Dave have the makings of a future Game Sack episode. Perhaps we'll see them do a video on games that are even better the third time around.
I will admit that that did get lol out of me : )
I have never heared a whole lot of bad things about Yoshi's Story before. Maybe Europe just liked it a lot more than America for some reason?
Anyway, one game that I think is not as bad as others think is *Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts*. Yes, it's not the Banjo-Threeie we are still waiting for (but probably will get in the form of Yooka-Laylee), but it's a perfectly fine game in it's own right.
Just forget about the marketing leading up to it or pretend that it's Lego Racers 3 or something, and you will have a lot of fun in a vehicular platformer with your favorite characters from the BK franchise.
I'm unlike most in that I don't let a brand name make me expect and hate something. If a Nintendo IP turned into some kind of RTS or TBS, I might be confused (unless, you know, it was one in the first place), but if it's a good game, I don't give a darn if it's the next Pokémon game.
I had no idea what B&K was before Nuts And Bolts, so, with an unbiased opinion (and as a child), picked it up, played it, loved it, broke it, cried for it. Stupid Xbox 360 laser!
I actually want that game. Now that I have a 360 again, I have a chance
YamiGekusu You could also pick up the Rare Replay collection if you have an XBone.
I just got a 360 three days ago
Altered Beast is a nut-kicking feast I can't stand in the least!
dont shame yourself for altered beast - i have started to play it weak ago, and only just right now i altered into a tiger on a last live and that crocodile is too tricky, but i like my slow progress, it is fun little game that always feels doable, never makes you try too hard, and i ll feel sadly when i ll finish it maybe next two weeks
and i already know that i will try GBA version next)
GBA has the feel of a sequel, or at least a version 1.5 definitely worth trying
@@t0xcn253 i would forgive terrible art style if it wasn't long and boring: time of 1st level on genesis is 1:40 , for GBA is 6:00 - there was old arcade game design of cheap tricks, to provide to you new gameplay situations, it was stressful fight against game, but new game is ... mindless button mashing, i havent seen 2nd level, who knows, maybe it is better game but nobody wanted to play it because of first impression
@@knkn5049 I agree that the pacing is awful, and although I really love the background and overall level design as it stays true to the original the player character does this too although in the most vanilla way possible until reaching the beast state. At that point he looks just as out-of-place as the enemies all do. Like they aren't even from the same game. Also, the insane number of them and palette swaps of which I counted at least 5 for the primary ghouls on lvl 1 alone. Boss design is okay too but it's all a very mixed bag.
It does at least seem more in line with the original than the ps2 sequel where all ancient Greek stuff was totally dropped. Albeit the impressive character design and huge number of transformations were a strong point there but like the GBA it suffered from weak pacing and gameplay or so I hear. Would still love a chance to play that one someday regardless.
I absolutely LOVE Yoshi's Story. It may not be perfect, but dang it every time I decide to go back and play it it puts the biggest smile on my face. That and Yoshi is one of my favorite video game characters of all time. Also, I haven't heard much hate for the game, just that people wish it was like Yoshi's Island, but they still like it.
Glad to see Yoshi's Story on here, I actually liked it.
You can run in Hook. Great game! Just hold the Y button down while pushing a direction and after a few moments Pan will burst run. Much easier to jump bigger pits later on. Love the show!
I like Millon secret castle, glad it was in this episode.
"What did you think?"
Dave, I've played Hook and it's AAAAAASS! 😀
Yoshi's Story doesn't have the fruit on screen all the time in the PAL version, you can toggle them with L(?)
+jimmy olsson You can do this on all versions.
+jimmy olsson It's amazing that people say that the game is bad =/ Literally better than Super Mario World II IMO. =/
Most guys don't want to like or be seen liking anything cute.
When SMW2:Yoshi's Island was released, I remember a lot of people not liking it because of whaling baby Mario. Times have changed. Maybe nostalgia has something to do with it. They're both decent platformers, but I could take less screaming Mario, please!
WhatsOnMyShelf exactly lol. That's one upside. Another is the boss fights to me. It had some pretty epic fights outside if maybe like one xD but pretty cool game. And the fact that there's secret yoshis was cool to me. Idk. But they are very close concept wise (island and smw2) but you're probably right about the cute thing
I think the Yoshi's was aimed at a younger audience as well. The boss fights were not difficult and the story book presentation may have been a way to relate to younger children. It doesn't take away from the fact that the graphics were unique and it was truly a solo Yoshi platformer; something up until that time had been reserved only for Mario & Luigi (of course, Peach and Toad in SMB2).
That was one of the least awkward intros in a long time...good job, guys!
For the next "not as bad as you think" - Mischief Makers.
+thefrankiepalmeri Friend and I rented that one when it first came out. Beat it the first day cuz we played it non-stop. Very awesome and original game thats underrated.
+gozinta82 Yeah , really a hidden gem.
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Also was one of the first cheaper games I had to pick up on the system more recently. One of two games released on the N64 I believe :)
Great episode guys. Maybe next time you do an episode like this you could include reviews from popular publications from the time of the game's release. Just a thought, but I think it would add something to have an example of a contrasting opinion, and you could maybe address where a reviewer's opinion differs from your take on a game.
I'm currently playing Daikatana *and* Duke Nukem Forever, so I had to click a video with this title...
Glad you guys are feeling better; Game Sack is back!
I'm a fan of "Altered beast"; finally beat the Genesis version this year.
41 people didn't wise fwom their gwaves
Thank you for being one of the only videos I've ever seen that uses the prefix "were" correctly!
14:45 I'm pretty sure there's a button that let's you hide the fruit.
I'm really glad about what you guys said at the ending. While it is great reading and watching videos of reviews, you should always try out a game no matter what. Thanks for uploading another great video.
I think the it's the glue they used that caused the label to go bad.
14:42 You can toggle the fruit display on/off with the L button or d-pad.
Someone else in the world has played China Warrior? Amazing!
These guys always make my day. Thank you.
BTW: an idea for a future episode: why not the other way around: games that are way too overrated that are actually pieces of crap.
+Ciro Galli Man, that's too controversial.
+Ciro Galli I would dig seeing something like that, but it's true...it could stir up a lot of trolling and hate.
gozinta82 Well, we all wanna believe the games we like are good. No one wants to own up to a guilty pleasure. But at the end of the day we gotta admit tastes are subjective and a matter of personal opinion. All I wanna know is Joe and Dave's opinions on what games they think are overrated. That's all. And if it's OK to like what everybody else loathes, why is it wrong to dislike what everybody else likes? This video should have been as controversial as the one I'm proposing. But wasn't.