So you would add an upgrade ancient to primal ancient. What about two other recipes. First reforge a primal that stays primal just changes stats. Then the next recipe would be one that converts a primal into another primal. All could be expensive to do and would take a lot of investment to use where players wouldn't have all thirteen slots filled with nothing but primals within the first few weeks of a season. Nor are they likely to do so within an entire season either.
you cant really compared it to your 3 weeks play time since you play ALOT more then the avg person i will be fine with you haveing 12 primals now so 5 seems fines
It was a very good solution! One thing i had in mind is that we could drop something like a Primal Token, an item that would let you turn an ancient piece you want into primal! Would solve the randomness issue quite a bit. They could even make it rare. Be something like ralamadnis gift :) What do you think?
I love the concept of Primal Ancient dust. It got me thinking of how you could diversify Kanai’s with it, and I came up with combining a Primal Ancient piece with Ramaladri’s and a weapon of our your choice. The result would be a primal ancient weapon that you could set with a Legendary Gem.
I love the idea of PA dust from salvage, then using that in the cube to upgrade a garbo legendary. This would make the game light years more enjoyable/playable. 15 FS from PA salvage is unbelievably lame. Especially when we're getting multiple mats from Ethereal salvages
The problem with that idea though, is that it would make the process very linear. IE, sink enough time into the game gathering dust, and your character will end up with full primals. That's not very fun. Randomness is what makes this game fun, the idea that you could find anything at any time. This would just make decking out your characters like paragon leveling : a long linear process in which you just fill a "you win" gauge since you'd go from 0 dust to the number you need to create your primal. IMO, the whole idea of Primals being perfect ancients is just flawed. They should just go back to their previous iteration, when Primals were kinda like Ethereals (more powerful than Ancients to the point where you could create a whole new build around them).
@@armorvil Your philosophy is correct but sadly, d3 isnt a game where your philosophy fits the how the game direction has gone or is going with so many ways to reduce the way of rngness of it.
@@armorvil Completely agree with this. If you come across a great PA it should be good enough to change your build around, at least until you have a very good meta set gathered.
Not bad ideas. So in other words: 1) Hellfire Ancients 2) Overhauled Ubers 3) Primal Dust 4) Recipe Task Salvage Primal Ancient Legendary items to gain Primal Dust. Farm overhauled Ubers to gain a bunch of other required materials. Have an Ancient Legendary item you wish to shackle into a Hellfire Ancient Legendary item at your disposal and add all the ingredients into the cube. Limitations 1) Cleanse the Heretic's Abode. Cube's power is restricted as the demonic Uber essence interferes the process. Eradicate this force to lift this binding. 2) Cleanse the Vault. Cube's power is restricted as Greed's Quarterstone of Gluttony interferes the process. Destroy it to lift this binding. 3) Cleanse the Ancient Tower. Cube's power is restricted as the demoness Nereza interferes the process. Undo her solemn reign to lift this binding. 4) Apply the recipe. A surgence of shadow power is cast over Sanctuary. World becomes darker, enemies seek wielders and cube is devoid of energy. In order to use the cube again, one must energize it by feeding it with the shadow power it released into the world. Defeat all the foes affected by the taint and the cube can be used again. While the taint lingers outside the cube, shadows are seen to take the shapes of fallen noble warriors and pitting them against the nephalem. New item tier: Shadoweaved! A bit similar to Ethereals, in power and as we may only equip one of these mode-bound items at any given time, these items instead are crafted with the cube and shadow power is used as a core ingredient. Wielded item changes the looks of the toon, based on the item type, when they cast a transform skill and the items grant a transmog for each unique one. Edit: Strength and rewards of the shadow power surge is equal to the highest toon-specific achieved Greater Rift level.
Raxx, I love this idea. Specially since I got my 7th red beam last night and it was a Bovine Bardiche! One thing I would add is that your idea of how much it should cost vs the average player. What you think is easy for costs might be a bit much for the random casual player. Other than that, I think this is the perfect solution.
i do agree with you to some extent, but "the more casual player" shouldn't need to minmax a primal that badly, it's not gonna be good for the game if the more hardcore players have all primals 2 weeks in so i think it should cost quite alot
I have a theory about Primals, I call it the Evil Genie theory of Primals. Just today my demon hunter found a red bow, I'll give you 3 guesses what it was. Fucking Cluckeye. I found a primal fucking Cluckeye. Maybe the red pentagram that appears on the map is a hint that the drops are controlled by an evil genie in the program that makes sure the primals that drop are the most deconstructed items in the game. Out of about 30 or so primals I've found only 2 that I've equipped, a Mirrors of Justice on my monk and a Sever on my DH.
Yeah it really is, my 3 first primals ever in the game were all sipkas letter openers, a f*cking scoundrel tokens 😒 and it took around 400 hours to get the first one to drop.. grantes this was not in a seasonal play but still..
if they went that route it would have to be expanded to only dropping ancient primal versions of items you've equipped during that whole season. Limiting it to only items equipped at the time is too small a pool imo.
@@crosis2 if they keep existing affix rolling you may need to get multiple primals for one item slot before getting a perfect combination of stats. Also you are not guaranteed one primal for each slot. The duplicates will slow down the collection completing process. If many players thinks 1 item abuse is harmful, primals could drop only if you have at least X items equipped.
Makes sense to me, considering rares can be upgraded to legendary at the cube. The resource cost is steep for the point in the game you are. It's a matter of figuring out what those costs should be.
Agreed. It should be bank breaking expensive to do it. thousands of materials, billions of Gold. We're talking PERFECT items here and perfect is not cheap.
Love the idea of using hellfire mats and the primal dust for the recipe. I would add that only ancient items could be upgraded to primal. You could also add like you need two ancient items of the same to make one primal, so it would be even more difficult to meet the recipe requirement, and also have people spending bounty mats sometimes to reroll legendary to ancient
I like the idea. I would tweak it a little: the base item must be ancient AND the rolls this base item be the same as the primal and cannot be rerolled after you make the primal. So it is a commitment to that item. I would not put another recipe for rerolling a primal if the "craft" one is added.
Great idea, I thought the same thing during the video! Also, if the cost is not enough or there is a non-season concern for making all perfect gear, put a time gate on the recipe. 30 day cooldown to keep ppl with a ton of mats from making 13 pieces of PA gear immediately. Great discussion though. Long overdue!
@@markheld6843 really bad solution. Things should be limited by the time or effort spent farming them, not just pointlessly waiting so that casuals can have a chance. Diablo 3 isn't a mobile game
@@Cepaceous fair enough. Maybe 30 days is way too long. But a cooldown on it in general was just a thought. It's not limited to mobile games either. I was thinking of WoW and the crafting cooldowns they used.
@@markheld6843 to be fair.. what's even the matter with non-season players having perfect gear...? I mean.. that is LITERALLY the point of non-ladder/non-season. as long as your average season lasts less than 4 months, basically only the braindead grinders could get one or maybe two primal ancient characters..
I use to joke with friends, Hey I got a primal brick! And we'd laugh, talk about how primal items are just a total meme. I legit hate wasting 600+ bounty mats and not even get a single good re-forge item.
With 2b of each material on console it still takes atleast an hour of rolling the cube to get an item primal, even then it might not be a good roll so youd have to go for another hour just to try for some better stats on the item. Im a non season and i want to set up the best possible items i can and this hurts me deeply lol.
How about a recipe that requires you to have an ancient with the stats that you want (maybe not a rerolled one, a pristine one) and mats (PA dust and many others) to have a chance to make it primal? Like a very low chance (10-20%) to craft it.
I love the idea of Primal Dust and that you can then upgrade a legendary item into a primal ancient. I even love the idea of the additional costs being spread over all the other mats as it makes those areas of the game more relevant. I think there should be a second recipe with a slightly lower cost that allows rerolling an ancient to the same ancient with different stats. It would suck using the first recipe and getting a suck fest primal. I don't get excited when I find a primal, even if it is an item type I would use, because chances are that it will have the wrong stats on it. And hell... The right stats will even change over the course of a season. In the beginning you want primary stats on almost all your gear, but as you gain more and more paragon levels, other things start to become more important. But If I knew I could salvage the primal if it was the wrong type, even if it was expensive and that I could then reroll the stats for a slightly cheaper price, then I would get excited at all primal drops. And that really is what we want to see.
You want to fix them? When they drop, they're not general loot pool, instead your loot pool is any piece of gear you or follower were wearing. Keep letting them roll VIT and Cooldown and all the crappy stats, but it'll always be a piece of gear you want.
if they went that route it would have to be expanded to only dropping ancient primal versions of items you've equipped during that whole season. Limiting it to only items equipped at the time is too small a loot pool imo. The goal of the change should be so that you are MORE LIKELY to get what you want/need for you build, not to be GUARANTEED to get what you want. Even with the rng in stats it'd be too much.
A lot of people don’t farm in their pushing gear. There are 2 pieces that overlap between my Inna’s speed farming set and my pushing LoD WoL set. I don’t want to (and can’t in some cases) equip it on my follower, limiting their effectiveness, just so it has a chance of dropping.
Including any gear that has been equipped during the season also includes a lot of trash gear. I never want to see a primal version of the gear used for my starter set. Too many bad memories. 😅
Problem is, I doubt any of us play as much as Raxx, so we shouldn't use him as the example for how many PA am average person gets. If we have to trade any number of PA for a random PA, the problem is still going to be there I think. I don't know what the number of PA the average person gets, but let's say average person gets 15 a season. And if it takes 3 SA =a random SA. We have 5 chances in a whole season to get a decent SA.. but those chances are just as low considering we have to get an actual item we use and with the correct stats. What that's doing is instead of giving the average person 15 DA a season, it's giving the average person 20 DA a season. And if we look at Raxx, with his 90 worthless PAs or however many, we see 20 is not enough. We need a way to turn a current primal into another primal without using a primal as an ingredient.
They need a massive stats buff, a primal is only a perfect ancient - if you find a really good ancient, the stat increase for the primal is so small, its almost insignificant. If however, a primal increases an augment by a factor of 2 compared to an ancient It would finally be a good item.
I said basically exactly this to my friends a few months ago. I wanted a reason to do Hellfire runs again because I liked them, but Hellfire Amulet is so outclassed nowadays there's really no point Only thing I'd add is that as/when/if they're improving Primals, they should make a Primal Vault too just so that Primal Puzzle Rings are something cool. Maybe have it so that all the goblins drop an extra 2 legendaries and Greed drops twice as many or something
How about a consumable like ramaladni where you just use it to upgrade any item you want to a higher quality.. make it more rare than PA i got 4(garbage) primals in total at 1.1k paragon .. if i could instead have one usable that would be so much better and make me want to grind it more..
You could always add a unique mat to challenge rifts that drops, and you need to collect a certain number of those to reroll a primal. That would gate the number you could craft.
But it's not a pool, any ancient just has a chance to be primal. All that would do is that primal scoundrel trophy you just found would've just been an ancient, which is a loss by any measurement.
That's a bloody amazing idea. 5 PA dust + 100 GR keys + 50 of each reward from the uber bosses + LVL 100 gem + 1000 DB's + and an ancient item with the stats you want to keep and use = same item with the same stats pushed to primal stats. Then it can be a challenge and feel like much more of a reward when it's finally done. Then it keeps the randomness of the item and actually getting the right item with the right attributes. It's tough enough to get an ancient with the right stats anyhow. I've never used primals as they've never dropped with the correct stats for me. I've always gotten away with mediocre ancients to get the job done. And it will make uber runs interesting as they've just been there without any purpose for most of Diablo 3. Then tweek the uber bosses and key wardens difficulty. Maybe even have a sage's follower set to farm ubers for the solo casuals.
If you want it.... Work for it... Make you do all the things you never did before outside the requirements for the season. Let the season just make a person aware that they're there and then run with it.
I always thought that how they could do primal ancients was make the rarity way higher, but the only gear that drops is gear you have equipped, and it would have the same stats you have on your gear.
It's a very nice idea, but I would add a Quest that would say according to be able to create a primal to have clear 120-130 Greater Rift. Anyway, for you to clear that kind of level GR you are items are pretty close to primal.
I will use my Skyrim analogy for this. D3 is like an abusive husband you know you need to get away from but can't but he tries to woo you back with that red beam. You keep thinking oh it's going to be different this time just wait and see and then when you reveal the stats is the same old junk.
you are almost there --- Your Primal Recepie just works in SEASON ONLY !! And it dosen't make a new Primal Ancient. It Makes an ETHEREAL PRIMAL ANCIENT aka it is gone after the season ... This would solve the problem of poluting the nonseason chars... That would be the greatest think by far ....
My only issue with this, is that this would make playing support way less desirable. Since you don't need primal gear for support, why would you want to have it drop?
@@Kerenthar right, but if you're playing support, and you get a primal that is based on what you are wearing, then you would get more support gear. So you wouldn't want this. Also a lot of builds farm in different gear than they push with. So they would get primals for the farming build instead of what they are looking for.
I agree primals suck. I have never, EVER used one as part of my build. I usually get primals that have no legendary power and when they do, they don't match my build at all. That being said, the highest paragon I have ever being is like 1000 something. If I see 5 primals in a given season I feel "lucky" lol. SO yes, Blizzard should change something, but when I hear RAX say the solution should be expensive, I, as a casual, I don't want to be left out. Just saying. I want primals to be nice also for casuals. If you have to be a streamer to enjoy using primals, I think is also wrong, lol
I got REALLY lucky this season. I got a PA Lamentation belt, Mortik's bracers and a Hellfire amulet, all with every stat i needed. But i didnt get ANY usable ethereal LOL
@@leobovine the only ethereal I got were low level. Might have to try Rax’s snapshot farming method to get the others. But I’m not liking my legendary drops. Few and far between at best.
The idea is really good, but i think to balance that cube recipe, it should have some kinds of limites like : 1 ) you can wear only x number of thoses crafted Primal(doesn't prevent you to wear 13 - x number of normal dropped primal) 2) they could make that recipe available only in season(prevent non-season abuse) 3) eventually delete thoses crafted Primal items at the end of the season but im not very fond of this one 4) Allow a restricted number of craft per season, that would give non-season player a reason to play the season even if it's for a short period of time 5) Craft allowed if certain GR rank is reached, like the GR 70 that allow you to drop Primal
Something like Double Primal Drops along with a new Cube recipe sounds like a great seasonal theme. Then for non-season we could have only the new recipe.
Well maybe the recipe could be only season, and if you want to use the recipe you would need to play season. I mean without having the double primal drops.
I think the whole game sucks, "rare" items become salvage material later in the game, in reality there's no rare items in the game, just a large pool of items that repeat over and over. I don't understand why didn't they make real rare items that only drop as rarely as primals, but are actually useful to your class and don't belong in the same large pool of trash. Make them have 2 or even 3 sockets by default, or ability to put additional legendary gems, or unique abilities that can augment your build to do stuff you couldn't do before. The game becomes so boring so fast, and it's so frustrating because it had a really good potential to develop into something bigger. The guys in Blizzard just don't have any inspiration to make this game grow, the graphics are getting better by each iteration, but gameplay is stuck in ARPG grind, no trading, no pvp, no activities besides grinding for XP and same shitty items over and over.
Since upgrade rare can result in PA AND reforge legendary can result in PA. Having a dust that lets you guarantee a primal of your choice would be redundant. You just said It yourself, “the game already makes it easy for you, in 2 days you can run with a meta build” that is the easy part, PA is the frustrating element, it’s like grinding for paragon or gems for caldisans, there is no shortcut but to do the work. You’re just trying to justify a more meaningful resource by salvaging primals and then guaranteeing a specific item to be primal, by that logic we should make ancient dust and guarantee a specific item becomes ancient. Like you said game already makes it easy for you. Stop whining, start grinding.
I stopped really blasting D3 2 seasons ago from being sick of the lifeless red beams. I actually had to catch up this season on what "eminate" means and what "ethereals" are. I LOVE THE IDEA!
It's worse when you have a build, with a primal with the stats you want,.. and Blizzard changes the makeup of that Primal,.. now it's completely useless. THAT IS INFRURIATING!.
I mean the change is easy and you nailed it on the head, just make one give you a primal dust on salvage and have it take 5 to create a primal of an item you want. It's not like the entire purpose of this game and seasons at this point is to NOT get your end build and just climb as high as you can. The current primal system is just a mess and a tease.
I play to enjoy myself and also only play seasons for the longest time. That is why I am glad they implemented seasons and have different themes for them. If you think it is frustrating for you guys who play several hours every day, just think how frustrating it is for those of us who can play a few hours a day (or maybe only 10 hours a week total). You said you got 59 primal. Probably 95 or higher percent of players only find 1 to 5 primal for the entire season.
I've said a while ago that it'd help a lot with Primals if you could reroll every stat. So that every Primal is always the best version of that leggy it could ever be. Which I think is sorta useful, though it'd definitely not fix all problems Transferring primal status, or even letting it Ancientify normal legendaries (while keeping the current stats, just ancientifying them).
An even easier solution to Primals not being on items you want is to simply disallow primal drops on items that have no legendary property, are not 6piece sets, or set jewelry. This would leave the crafting part alone so you can still make primal crimson/augilds and even reforge some garbage nutcracker into primal if you wanted for the memes. Its not perfect and there are plenty of items with terrible legendary properties but it would skim off the top layer of garbage with super minimal effort. I would imagine its a toggle like effect because they disallowed ancients/primals from the set reroll cube recipe. So in theory its easy. Personally I would just remove those garbage legendaries with no powers straight up, which would also solve the problem, but i can understand why they may not want to.
Easy fix: just make a primal ALWAYS roll as a set item for the class you're playing. It might not be for your chosen build but it would still give a much higher chance of being playable without breaking the game.
@@blaikesavo6173 OK how about a combo of my idea and Rax's. Primals are unchanged from current. But new cube recipe takes 5 primals and either an ancient regular item or ancient set item and you can re-roll to a primal legendary or primal set item. To even it out, the re-roll wouldn't be class-specific so you could still get a blackthorns or something. You could also have it re-roll to the same item type as you used in the recipe (armor, helmet, etc.)
I like your idea -- another one would be to simply limit the pool of items that can drop as PA, for example weapons, off-hands, and rings only. Or maybe just removing set items from the pool might be enough. With that said, I suspect that with the current drop system the item is rolled first, and then the rarity -- if that's the case limiting the pool may not be trivial to implement.
another idea would be, adding an increase drop chance for when a primal drops to be a piece of gear you had on when you cleared your current highest GR tier
Yup Primal Ancients Dust and a new recipe on cube makes sense, everytime I get a primal it doesnt excite me as much as it should make you excited since its rare. Like what you said like when it drop the feeling is like "ehh okay"
2 new cube recipes. 1st recipe rolls a PA into a different item of PA level. 2nd rolls a PA into the same item PA item but with different stats. (Haven't watched all video of that is suggested, mb)
Spot on. Core idea: make to red beam exciting. Primal Dust will work. It could be season only, re-rolled items could disappear. Just like Ethereals this season.
To that end, I hope they add the Ethereal weapons to non-season (new drops only... no keeping this seasons large quantities of them), but rarer than Primals. Getting a good Ethereal drop after this season should be exciting and a “Gee, I guess I’m switching builds” moment.
also bro dont forget to mention, the updates... for example my JORDAN RING PRIMAL so hard to find and D3 UPDATES IT WITH NEW STATS ON IT and now it is NOT UPDATED so I need to GRIND BACK MY PRIMAL GEARS just to catch up with the new updated JORADAN PRIMAL RING... this is so sad because it is so hard and after the update it is trash now.. hope they fix this update issue so players wont grind back because it is update and they need to update the previous items or many players will quit because it is crazy to find primal and update comes and BOOM your old PRIMALS are TRASH no updated stats :( :( :( :( got many useful primal but some of it are OUTDATED because of the new patch they added.. pls address this also to the DEVS why they do this idea? Update > Update all.. not Update but make other old items useless after the update, the STRUGGLE the MANY HOURS to find that SPECIFIC ITEM..
Just make the "two rerolls" only doable on a Seasonal character. You could _gradually_ twink your non-season character, sure, but it'd take a while _and_ add Season value for primarily non-seasonal players.
Thanks for the video Rax. Blizzard, if you're watching. My Diablo III wish list. 1.: Please let us decide which town we start our game in. 2.: Regarding ancients and primal ancients, reforging should give at least ancient for ancient, and primal ancient for primal ancient. 3.: Please fix the bug that causes slow inventory loading on Mac. ( Fix. Video settings changed from high to low or low to high every time i enter the game is sooo annoying. ) 4.: I upgrade a lot of legendary gems, whyyyy do Urshi need to tell me, and instruct me every daaamn time.. maybe a one click option for all upgrades, that would be cool. 5.: Lets keep the Idea of the Ethereals, make them more rare, like the primals are now maybe. 6.: Auto pick up options for materials, gems & legendarys please. Tank you!
Primal solution 1) Reduce loot table for primal drops to only encompass set items, weapons with an affix on them (90-95% class played drop, 5-10% other class played) solution 2) Add simplest possible recipe in the cube of dumping 2 (unwanted) primal items to reroll a completely new random primal (maybe this time a useable primal if not, save and gamble again) 3) If adding new salvage materials (ie PA dust) to implement some kind of new primal recipe making, it would be nice to implement some changes to solo player (followers) that if you did rifts solo with a follower and killed the RG, you get a (for example) 25% chance of dropping a/some PA dust, at T16 with say 5% drop each Torment less and maybe similar for GRs, perhaps even think about adding drops of bounty materials for solo/followers only when just rifting or greater rifting, cause its sucks doing bounties on your own. Just a few ideas.
Great concept your idea would eliminate junk primals either clogging storage or being scrapped for forgotten souls, and would revitalize under used areas of the game like uber parts. I really hope blizzard runs with this idea, they could really use something to raise player engagement and retention right now.
My thoughts: Trash loot is trash. Mid level loot is trash. Non-ancient Legendary loot is trash. Inventory management is THE most pointless, frustrating, time consuming, hellacious, boring, rage-quit inducing trash ever conceived. If all I’m doing with loot for half my ingame time is running to the blacksmith to salvage trash loot… well… trash. I’d MUCH rather have NO trash loot drop at all, and just have the loot table filled with mats and a very rare chance at a red beam. THEN: have a robust crafting system that allows me to create exactly the gear I want. That way gring is meaningful. I have a set goal. I can see how long it will take to collect the mats I need. I’m not on an unknown, unknowable, possibly endless grind for specific pieces of kit that may never drop. Look at DDO (Dungeons & Dragons Online). There are a number of different crafting systems. Certain set types require running certain content for specific mats. Other, more generic items, require more common mats that drop everywhere. Deconstruction is fruitful, and there is still so much variety that many many many different unique character builds are possible. Different synergies are possible. Strategic depth and uniqueness are preserved. Rarity is good, grind is inevitable, but having an achievable goal should be paramount to legitimize BOTH grind AND rarity.
I agree with the Primal Dust, Rax. This needs to happen. Shit, I’m farming puzzle rings in S24 in order to get all ethereals and shit it’s a good time. My thoughts: Yes, make it extremely expensive to upgrade. I like the uber mat idea and I agree that making more of the content essential is key. I wouldn’t mind having crafting mats similar to the beginning of loot 2.0. I would make these more rare, but similar concept. The random purple “bosses” in adventure need to be spiced up. Having them drop essential mats for the primal recipe would be a great addition IMO. Rifts, GRs and bounties over and over definitely burn us out.
5 primal embers ( you get one ember per primal salvaged) 10 each of Hellfire materials: 50 of each bounty. 5000 of every crafting material. An ancient of the item you want to upgrade. Another option would be maybe it costs like 10 GR keys? It would be a direct upgrade of the item as well. So you would take the time to find and reroll your ancient until you get the stat blocks you want. The new primal has perfect stats of the same stat blocks your ancient has. To make it different than a natural pull you could make it so it cannot be rerolled.
Giving the possibility to target craft a primal is a terrible idea in itself. It kills the essence of primals and gives botters another upper hand on legit players. Your idea is not new and it has been voiced on blizzard forums for years. It is good until the reagent parts, after you should just be able to use a certain amounts of these to craft another RANDOM primal. It is very important to keep the random in place. The problem is the useless primals, and this way we can use them. Sometimes they'll lead to another useless primal, sometimes it will pay off big. Also the number should not be low. at least 5 primals to 1 , ideal I would say 10 to 1.
I like the material cost idea, although I would like to see primals come with more primary stats. Maybe just an extra primary so there is more of a chance that it has what you want.
This the thing about D3 - they add a new cool mechanic, but limit the hell out of it. Legendary gems? Really cool, but can only use in rings and amulets. Kanai Cube with extracted lendary powers? Nice, but can only have three of those and one of specific item type, so no three weapons powers (meaning most rings and amulets are not worth it). Primal Ancients? Awesome, but super rare and a random item that will never go with your build. I dunno make one primal a guaranteed drop every fifth greater rift above 100 you clear. You can still get something you will never use, but at least you know there will be one.
I think the two biggest problems with Diablo 3 are paragon levels, and easily obtained perfect items, being primals. One of the main activities in an ARPG is killing monsters to find loot so you can improve your character. The primals ruin this, as you eventually no longer care about regular legendary drops, as it's just a waste of time since we know it doesn't have perfect stats even before picking it up. For those who play a lot, getting full primal gear is possible, and at that point there is absolutely no reason to pick up anything at all. It should be close to impossible to get perfect rolls on an item, so that you always have improvements to look out for, getting excited when a gear piece you need drops. By removing the paragon system, every player, casual or not, gets a chance to reach rank 1 on the leaderboard because it would be all about the gear and skill of the player. Players who play more will still be rewarded, as they are more likely to get better gear. Remember how hard it used to be to get a trifecta yellow ring with attack speed, critt chance and critt damage and how excited you got when you found an extremely rare item and later post screenshots to brag to friends and the community? Right now the seasons are all about leveling up as much as you can, and the last two weeks push the leaderboards. 99% of players are not going to do that, so once they get the gear they need, they quit, as there is no excitement left, which is why most people quit after a couple of days in the season. And it's just sad, because there is so few changes needed in order to make diablo great again.
Nope. started wrong. you should ask why do they exist. blizzard wanting everyone to be hyped and happy finding legendarys. well turns out when you give everyone legendary items left and right, they arent legendary anymore at all. freakin inflation. next thing they bring ancients, same shit. inflation, no meaning at all besides cheap content. let them hunt for those new powerfull items. lul problem! they dont mean anything anymore, they are not rare. So they invent that primal bs. Same with seasons, just cheap content. Paragon levels, cheap content. They ruined the game by splitting the already pissed community into normal, normal HC,season, season HC. After closing the Auctionhouse and implementing their "masterplan". You can rly feel the disconnect. The Artists and programmers made a very well optimized game that still looks very good and the next gen is ruining it.
I agree with the primal ancient dust idea. That is definitely something missing in the game. Further on that idea, I believe it should require more than 5 of said material, considering that you have likely obtained well over 50 primals by the end of the season. There would also need to be a downside to this recipe...perhaps the item would retain all current stats (including whatever you rerolled) but be reforged in such a way that it cannot be enchanted ever again. The item could be enchanted prior to the recipe's use, but once used, it would solidify the item's stats forever, with all values being pushed to their maximum. I think that separate to that recipe, there should be a recipe that uses materials only available via the weekly challenge rift (to control and limit its use)...My concept here would name this material an "exalted gemstone". This could be crafted with any primal item which was *NOT obtained by the primal ancient dust recipe**. The exalted gemstone, combined with 15 of each bounty material, 500 death's breaths, and 150 forgotten souls, and any *eligible primal ancient item...would effectively allow you reroll a SECOND stat on said item. When using this recipe, the item would be a labelled an "Exalted Ancient Item", perhaps with a purple border. This would essentially reduce the frustration of grinding and finally finding that ALMOST perfect item, only to realize that if you could reroll a second stat, that the item would truly be perfect. I do believe this would require the weekly challenge rift to be involved in order to prevent abuse of this power. Additionally, I believe the way this would execute would be that the item would have to have been previously enchanted. The recipe would retain the item's current stats, retainingthe stat that you rerolled...but resetting the item with its current stats, allowing for the item to be enchanted as if it originally rolled the way it was when the recipe was used. I believe the above strategy would provide a fair way to give your build a sense of finality, without providing a way for players to abuse the game and become overpowered. These recipes couldn't possibly be abused if they require materials only available via the challenge rift.
Something like what you proposed. Make them disenchant into a new "red mather". Then you need mats like from the key guardians fragments and there portals. Make it cost little at first, but increase par primal you KEEP par season. So your first one re-crafted costs1 of each of the mats and 3 red mather. Numbers 2 and 3 cost twice as much. Numbers 4 and 5 five times as much. From here on, times 10. This brings it to 3 for the first, 6 for nr. 2&3 and 15 for nr. 4&5 For 6 and onward, a whopping 30...
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I have never used a Marauder set. Always had GoD set and hoped to get a GoD Primal. But guess what? I got a Primal Ancient Maruder Pants 😏 I got a Primal Ancient Ring. Checked salvage list on Maxroll and saw it on the list of items to salvage 😔 This is so unfair!
Having primal dusts is a great way to fix primal ancients. I would suggest a slightly different approach than adding more bounty mats to the "Make Primal" recipe. First, we want something that can work in season + non-season. Second, we want something that rewards people playing a lot. Third, we want something that is not broken that you finish the season full primal. I would impose a base cost of ~5(or 8 or 10?) primal dusts the FIRST time this recipe is used. Then for the second time (N) the recipe is used, the cost in primal dust (P) would jump to: P + exponential(N). And so on. First primal? Need 5 dust. Second primal? Need 12 dusts. Third primal? Need 25 dusts. Fourth primal? Need 59 dusts. Want to be full primal? Need 162759 dusts! (5 + exp(12)). That would: Easily reward casual players to have maybe one (their weapon) or two primals. Still reward big players (Raxx, you'd have 3/4 primals by now which seems fair). Make it impossible to finish full primal in non-season. I believe that would solve most of the issues and avoid to farm 10000 veiled crystals, which is admitedlly, not very fun.
What amuses me is that when Blizzard came up with the concept of Primals, their first idea was great : basically, they were like Ethereals : stronger items than were better than perfect ancients to the point where you'd be able to create a whole build around them. But then a ton of crybabies who want to compete with steamers who play close to 24h/24, which is a ridiculous idea, made them backpedal. Ethereals are great because looking for them is worth it, and that's not the case with current Primals.
i've only got 2 primal ancients and im paragon 860 i think, i had to spend so many mats just to get certain legendaries because they wouldnt drop ;-; I mean primals are amazing but spending 8 hours a day just to make a few primals which wont even get good rolls just doesnt seem enjoyable obviously im going to say this because i dont play diablo 3 as much as everyone else so its kinda subjective
when it comes to PA gear it all just plain sucks and is useless, the idea behind PA gear is to find perfect gear imo so my solution though not certain how difficult it would be to implement is to have all stats on a PA roll-able. what i refer too is the ever increasing cost of rolling a single stat to one you want on a legendary expanded to a PA giving the opportunity to gain the PA of desired make over time. each stat re rolled increases the costs of the roll itself, have 5 stats to add? then start with first requiring said items to get the roll and increase each time you roll that stat until luck sways your way and you get it, move on to stat 2 and cost continues to increase and does not reset from first stat getting ever more expensive requiring more of which ever price is attached. as a example first stat cost gold, second stat gold at rate stopped on first stat plus crafting mats, third stat cost where you left off on second stat plus bounty mats, forth stat same as third stat plus hellfire mats, fifth stat cost forth stats plus PA dust (like that idea too) all growing ever increasingly making grinding the whole game have a benefit from beginning to end and due to RND some stat rolls could increase costs to a crazy level making it even great for non season players with endless time on their hands. heck they could even have it where PA gear dropped blank and you had to roll each stat onto it until complete making the stats available in rolls only those that would be normally found on that item as a legendary. probably to difficult to pull off but thats my idea of a great fix
Some great idea's there Rax, for seasons they could even add a cool down on the recipe maybe "14 days" that way it would stop bots being full primal in a week.You have certainly given blizz some food for thought.
I think one way is a new cube recipe that can change any primal to a different primal of the same type. A useless primal ring could be rerolled into a different primal ring. You can reroll legendaries to the same one with different stats so it would be even harder to get what you want by rerolling say a primal blackthorn pants into a different primal pants - still a ton to chose from but at least that useless primal now might become something you would use (it still would not help the 2 follower primals I've gotten).
Primals are good as they are they arent rare at all good primals are rare as they should be. your primal doesnt have resist all ? wel to bad just pop in some diamonds and grind some P levels to make up for the lost main stat. its called finding sulutions to your problems its part of the game play also go play some d2.. come cry to me when you just made your BoTD and the stats all rolled low so you have to scrap it again. Snowflake generation...jees.
I feel like the majority of the player base don’t play past each season’s season journey. Primal Ancients upgrading are thus not something very relatable nor necessary. They would probably get less than 5 before finishing the last journey requirement and uninstalling for that season.
What about cube recipe that will add legendary power to ancient primal and remove current one? And you cannot mix weapon / armor / jewelry. That salvaging for extra material can be tricky.
I like it. And the stat rolls don't need to be addressed. 5 PA dust + ingredients + Ancient Item rolls a PA of that item with new stats. To reroll a PA stats just use the same recipe but use the PA instead of the ancient. Yea it might take a while to get the stats you want but it's doable
How would you approach a change to Primal Ancients?
So you would add an upgrade ancient to primal ancient. What about two other recipes. First reforge a primal that stays primal just changes stats. Then the next recipe would be one that converts a primal into another primal.
All could be expensive to do and would take a lot of investment to use where players wouldn't have all thirteen slots filled with nothing but primals within the first few weeks of a season. Nor are they likely to do so within an entire season either.
you cant really compared it to your 3 weeks play time since you play ALOT more then the avg person i will be fine with you haveing 12 primals now so 5 seems fines
Make Nek relevant by dropping a reroll component 😆 also liked your keys idea
It was a very good solution! One thing i had in mind is that we could drop something like a Primal Token, an item that would let you turn an ancient piece you want into primal! Would solve the randomness issue quite a bit. They could even make it rare. Be something like ralamadnis gift :)
What do you think?
I love the concept of Primal Ancient dust. It got me thinking of how you could diversify Kanai’s with it, and I came up with combining a Primal Ancient piece with Ramaladri’s and a weapon of our your choice. The result would be a primal ancient weapon that you could set with a Legendary Gem.
I love the idea of PA dust from salvage, then using that in the cube to upgrade a garbo legendary. This would make the game light years more enjoyable/playable. 15 FS from PA salvage is unbelievably lame. Especially when we're getting multiple mats from Ethereal salvages
The problem with that idea though, is that it would make the process very linear. IE, sink enough time into the game gathering dust, and your character will end up with full primals. That's not very fun. Randomness is what makes this game fun, the idea that you could find anything at any time. This would just make decking out your characters like paragon leveling : a long linear process in which you just fill a "you win" gauge since you'd go from 0 dust to the number you need to create your primal. IMO, the whole idea of Primals being perfect ancients is just flawed. They should just go back to their previous iteration, when Primals were kinda like Ethereals (more powerful than Ancients to the point where you could create a whole new build around them).
@@TheDankFarmer Yeah, I understand, I feel the same actually. D3's systems are just flawed ; I hope they'll be taking a hint from D2 for D4.
@@armorvil Your philosophy is correct but sadly, d3 isnt a game where your philosophy fits the how the game direction has gone or is going with so many ways to reduce the way of rngness of it.
@@armorvil Completely agree with this. If you come across a great PA it should be good enough to change your build around, at least until you have a very good meta set gathered.
YES
Absolutely LOVE this solution. I like the idea of using Hellfire materials.
They could even call them Hellfire Ancients, so everyone knew that you have crafted them.
Shouid come with a complete overhaul of Ubers. They are too weak! And why is there no uber Malthael?!
Not only that, but I'm not looking forward to farming Ubers all day long.
Ubers are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo easy nowadays. No thanks.
Not bad ideas. So in other words:
1) Hellfire Ancients
2) Overhauled Ubers
3) Primal Dust
4) Recipe
Task
Salvage Primal Ancient Legendary items to gain Primal Dust. Farm overhauled Ubers to gain a bunch of other required materials. Have an Ancient Legendary item you wish to shackle into a Hellfire Ancient Legendary item at your disposal and add all the ingredients into the cube.
Limitations
1) Cleanse the Heretic's Abode.
Cube's power is restricted as the demonic Uber essence interferes the process. Eradicate this force to lift this binding.
2) Cleanse the Vault.
Cube's power is restricted as Greed's Quarterstone of Gluttony interferes the process. Destroy it to lift this binding.
3) Cleanse the Ancient Tower.
Cube's power is restricted as the demoness Nereza interferes the process. Undo her solemn reign to lift this binding.
4) Apply the recipe.
A surgence of shadow power is cast over Sanctuary. World becomes darker, enemies seek wielders and cube is devoid of energy.
In order to use the cube again, one must energize it by feeding it with the shadow power it released into the world. Defeat all the foes affected by the taint and the cube can be used again.
While the taint lingers outside the cube, shadows are seen to take the shapes of fallen noble warriors and pitting them against the nephalem.
New item tier: Shadoweaved!
A bit similar to Ethereals, in power and as we may only equip one of these mode-bound items at any given time, these items instead are crafted with the cube and shadow power is used as a core ingredient. Wielded item changes the looks of the toon, based on the item type, when they cast a transform skill and the items grant a transmog for each unique one.
Edit:
Strength and rewards of the shadow power surge is equal to the highest toon-specific achieved Greater Rift level.
I was more disappointed by a Primal Scoundrel Token then I was not getting accepted into graduate school.
It was my first primal last season. I feel ya bro.
I got one of those to drop too. It's for bragging when you deck your follower out in all PA :)
Raxx, I love this idea. Specially since I got my 7th red beam last night and it was a Bovine Bardiche!
One thing I would add is that your idea of how much it should cost vs the average player. What you think is easy for costs might be a bit much for the random casual player. Other than that, I think this is the perfect solution.
i do agree with you to some extent, but "the more casual player" shouldn't need to minmax a primal that badly, it's not gonna be good for the game if the more hardcore players have all primals 2 weeks in so i think it should cost quite alot
Did the Bardiche do anything special? I noticed that when I get an ancient Puzzle Ring you get a shitload of treasure goblins to kill.
:) I got my 5th red beam yesterday, and it was a puzzle ring, cubed it and got a ton of DB's.
@@derekboardman9995 Sadly no. I saw no difference between it and the ancient. Though I did share it with a random bounty team so it was hard to tell.
I have a theory about Primals, I call it the Evil Genie theory of Primals. Just today my demon hunter found a red bow, I'll give you 3 guesses what it was. Fucking Cluckeye. I found a primal fucking Cluckeye. Maybe the red pentagram that appears on the map is a hint that the drops are controlled by an evil genie in the program that makes sure the primals that drop are the most deconstructed items in the game. Out of about 30 or so primals I've found only 2 that I've equipped, a Mirrors of Justice on my monk and a Sever on my DH.
Totally.
The Red beam of sadness is a heart cracking experience!
Cube recipe idea is perfect!
I like the involvement of the hellfire bits!!’
Yeah it really is, my 3 first primals ever in the game were all sipkas letter openers, a f*cking scoundrel tokens 😒 and it took around 400 hours to get the first one to drop.. grantes this was not in a seasonal play but still..
You're a joy to watch mate. Thank you for enriching my diablo 3 experience.
Primals could also drop only as a one of the items equipped - this way you always get something you would use
yeah but you would just save up your GR70 until you have your items and you will also be done in 14 drops which is not that much to do.
You could even abuse it by only equipping 1 legendary and let other players carry you.
if they went that route it would have to be expanded to only dropping ancient primal versions of items you've equipped during that whole season. Limiting it to only items equipped at the time is too small a pool imo.
@@crosis2 if they keep existing affix rolling you may need to get multiple primals for one item slot before getting a perfect combination of stats. Also you are not guaranteed one primal for each slot. The duplicates will slow down the collection completing process. If many players thinks 1 item abuse is harmful, primals could drop only if you have at least X items equipped.
Makes sense to me, considering rares can be upgraded to legendary at the cube. The resource cost is steep for the point in the game you are. It's a matter of figuring out what those costs should be.
Agreed. It should be bank breaking expensive to do it. thousands of materials, billions of Gold. We're talking PERFECT items here and perfect is not cheap.
Watched the entire video, and i couldnt agree more with your ideas ! I hope to god Blizzard will watch this and think about a solution !
Love the idea of using hellfire mats and the primal dust for the recipe. I would add that only ancient items could be upgraded to primal. You could also add like you need two ancient items of the same to make one primal, so it would be even more difficult to meet the recipe requirement, and also have people spending bounty mats sometimes to reroll legendary to ancient
I like the idea. I would tweak it a little: the base item must be ancient AND the rolls this base item be the same as the primal and cannot be rerolled after you make the primal. So it is a commitment to that item. I would not put another recipe for rerolling a primal if the "craft" one is added.
Great idea, I thought the same thing during the video!
Also, if the cost is not enough or there is a non-season concern for making all perfect gear, put a time gate on the recipe. 30 day cooldown to keep ppl with a ton of mats from making 13 pieces of PA gear immediately. Great discussion though. Long overdue!
@@markheld6843 really bad solution. Things should be limited by the time or effort spent farming them, not just pointlessly waiting so that casuals can have a chance. Diablo 3 isn't a mobile game
@@Cepaceous fair enough. Maybe 30 days is way too long. But a cooldown on it in general was just a thought. It's not limited to mobile games either. I was thinking of WoW and the crafting cooldowns they used.
OR... the "craft" recipe can also be used as a "reroll" recipe, if you already have the roght primal but with crap attributes
@@markheld6843
to be fair.. what's even the matter with non-season players having perfect gear...? I mean.. that is LITERALLY the point of non-ladder/non-season. as long as your average season lasts less than 4 months, basically only the braindead grinders could get one or maybe two primal ancient characters..
I use to joke with friends, Hey I got a primal brick! And we'd laugh, talk about how primal items are just a total meme. I legit hate wasting 600+ bounty mats and not even get a single good re-forge item.
With 2b of each material on console it still takes atleast an hour of rolling the cube to get an item primal, even then it might not be a good roll so youd have to go for another hour just to try for some better stats on the item. Im a non season and i want to set up the best possible items i can and this hurts me deeply lol.
I like the idea of PA dust as well. and expensive recipe. I havent played too much this season, but like you, i havent found a single good primal.
How about a recipe that requires you to have an ancient with the stats that you want (maybe not a rerolled one, a pristine one) and mats (PA dust and many others) to have a chance to make it primal? Like a very low chance (10-20%) to craft it.
Yeah but if its 5 pa dust per reforge 99.9% of people arent gonna succeed in a single reforge. Which wont solve the problem
I love the idea of Primal Dust and that you can then upgrade a legendary item into a primal ancient. I even love the idea of the additional costs being spread over all the other mats as it makes those areas of the game more relevant.
I think there should be a second recipe with a slightly lower cost that allows rerolling an ancient to the same ancient with different stats. It would suck using the first recipe and getting a suck fest primal.
I don't get excited when I find a primal, even if it is an item type I would use, because chances are that it will have the wrong stats on it. And hell... The right stats will even change over the course of a season. In the beginning you want primary stats on almost all your gear, but as you gain more and more paragon levels, other things start to become more important. But If I knew I could salvage the primal if it was the wrong type, even if it was expensive and that I could then reroll the stats for a slightly cheaper price, then I would get excited at all primal drops. And that really is what we want to see.
You want to fix them? When they drop, they're not general loot pool, instead your loot pool is any piece of gear you or follower were wearing. Keep letting them roll VIT and Cooldown and all the crappy stats, but it'll always be a piece of gear you want.
if they went that route it would have to be expanded to only dropping ancient primal versions of items you've equipped during that whole season. Limiting it to only items equipped at the time is too small a loot pool imo. The goal of the change should be so that you are MORE LIKELY to get what you want/need for you build, not to be GUARANTEED to get what you want. Even with the rng in stats it'd be too much.
A lot of people don’t farm in their pushing gear. There are 2 pieces that overlap between my Inna’s speed farming set and my pushing LoD WoL set. I don’t want to (and can’t in some cases) equip it on my follower, limiting their effectiveness, just so it has a chance of dropping.
Including any gear that has been equipped during the season also includes a lot of trash gear. I never want to see a primal version of the gear used for my starter set. Too many bad memories. 😅
Maybe could take 3 primals of any kind and place them on the cube to make a random new primal. Not perfect but already much better
Problem is, I doubt any of us play as much as Raxx, so we shouldn't use him as the example for how many PA am average person gets. If we have to trade any number of PA for a random PA, the problem is still going to be there I think. I don't know what the number of PA the average person gets, but let's say average person gets 15 a season. And if it takes 3 SA =a random SA. We have 5 chances in a whole season to get a decent SA.. but those chances are just as low considering we have to get an actual item we use and with the correct stats. What that's doing is instead of giving the average person 15 DA a season, it's giving the average person 20 DA a season. And if we look at Raxx, with his 90 worthless PAs or however many, we see 20 is not enough. We need a way to turn a current primal into another primal without using a primal as an ingredient.
They need a massive stats buff, a primal is only a perfect ancient - if you find a really good ancient, the stat increase for the primal is so small, its almost insignificant. If however, a primal increases an augment by a factor of 2 compared to an ancient It would finally be a good item.
Honestly, I don't even see primals as items anymore. Instead, they're just a stack of 15 forgotten souls.
I actually LOL'd out loud because I had a primal scoundrel token drop just a couple weeks ago. The disappointment was real 🤣
I got a primal puzzle ring!
It has now happened, gj rax
I said basically exactly this to my friends a few months ago. I wanted a reason to do Hellfire runs again because I liked them, but Hellfire Amulet is so outclassed nowadays there's really no point
Only thing I'd add is that as/when/if they're improving Primals, they should make a Primal Vault too just so that Primal Puzzle Rings are something cool. Maybe have it so that all the goblins drop an extra 2 legendaries and Greed drops twice as many or something
With the rarity of a primal puzzle I want to be nuts to ass deep in goblins.
Primal puzzle rings should always drop 2 primals minimum tbh
Primal puzzles could drop flawless royal gems maybe. Or greater rift tokens?
How about a consumable like ramaladni where you just use it to upgrade any item you want to a higher quality.. make it more rare than PA i got 4(garbage) primals in total at 1.1k paragon .. if i could instead have one usable that would be so much better and make me want to grind it more..
You could always add a unique mat to challenge rifts that drops, and you need to collect a certain number of those to reroll a primal. That would gate the number you could craft.
Dont give blizzard good ideas, they will ignore it
The loot pool for primals should not include non-affix items. That would help a little bit.
But it's not a pool, any ancient just has a chance to be primal. All that would do is that primal scoundrel trophy you just found would've just been an ancient, which is a loss by any measurement.
That's a bloody amazing idea. 5 PA dust + 100 GR keys + 50 of each reward from the uber bosses + LVL 100 gem + 1000 DB's + and an ancient item with the stats you want to keep and use = same item with the same stats pushed to primal stats. Then it can be a challenge and feel like much more of a reward when it's finally done. Then it keeps the randomness of the item and actually getting the right item with the right attributes. It's tough enough to get an ancient with the right stats anyhow. I've never used primals as they've never dropped with the correct stats for me. I've always gotten away with mediocre ancients to get the job done. And it will make uber runs interesting as they've just been there without any purpose for most of Diablo 3. Then tweek the uber bosses and key wardens difficulty. Maybe even have a sage's follower set to farm ubers for the solo casuals.
If you want it.... Work for it... Make you do all the things you never did before outside the requirements for the season. Let the season just make a person aware that they're there and then run with it.
I always thought that how they could do primal ancients was make the rarity way higher, but the only gear that drops is gear you have equipped, and it would have the same stats you have on your gear.
It's a very nice idea, but I would add a Quest that would say according to be able to create a primal to have clear 120-130 Greater Rift. Anyway, for you to clear that kind of level GR you are items are pretty close to primal.
I will use my Skyrim analogy for this. D3 is like an abusive husband you know you need to get away from but can't but he tries to woo you back with that red beam. You keep thinking oh it's going to be different this time just wait and see and then when you reveal the stats is the same old junk.
you are almost there ---
Your Primal Recepie just works in SEASON ONLY !!
And it dosen't make a new Primal Ancient.
It Makes an ETHEREAL PRIMAL ANCIENT aka it is gone after the season ...
This would solve the problem of poluting the nonseason chars...
That would be the greatest think by far ....
There is a better solution: smart loot should tend, in general, to generate drops of the same items your character(s) wear
Definitely. It should be smarter!
THIS
My only issue with this, is that this would make playing support way less desirable. Since you don't need primal gear for support, why would you want to have it drop?
@@TheEmlou I mean, just at primal ancient level of loot
@@Kerenthar right, but if you're playing support, and you get a primal that is based on what you are wearing, then you would get more support gear. So you wouldn't want this.
Also a lot of builds farm in different gear than they push with. So they would get primals for the farming build instead of what they are looking for.
I agree primals suck. I have never, EVER used one as part of my build. I usually get primals that have no legendary power and when they do, they don't match my build at all. That being said, the highest paragon I have ever being is like 1000 something. If I see 5 primals in a given season I feel "lucky" lol. SO yes, Blizzard should change something, but when I hear RAX say the solution should be expensive, I, as a casual, I don't want to be left out. Just saying. I want primals to be nice also for casuals. If you have to be a streamer to enjoy using primals, I think is also wrong, lol
I have never had a decent primal. Literally ever. This season I’m barely getting any legendaries playing a ww rend barb
I got REALLY lucky this season. I got a PA Lamentation belt, Mortik's bracers and a Hellfire amulet, all with every stat i needed. But i didnt get ANY usable ethereal LOL
@@leobovine the only ethereal I got were low level. Might have to try Rax’s snapshot farming method to get the others. But I’m not liking my legendary drops. Few and far between at best.
Never had a primal at all 🤣😑😟😢😭
@@Menhtrol you get a free one on your first solo 70 gr
@@jarrettgillmore467 Bahhh... Just hit 68😆
The idea is really good, but i think to balance that cube recipe, it should have some kinds of limites like :
1 ) you can wear only x number of thoses crafted Primal(doesn't prevent you to wear 13 - x number of normal dropped primal)
2) they could make that recipe available only in season(prevent non-season abuse)
3) eventually delete thoses crafted Primal items at the end of the season but im not very fond of this one
4) Allow a restricted number of craft per season, that would give non-season player a reason to play the season even if it's for a short period of time
5) Craft allowed if certain GR rank is reached, like the GR 70 that allow you to drop Primal
Something like Double Primal Drops along with a new Cube recipe sounds like a great seasonal theme. Then for non-season we could have only the new recipe.
Well maybe the recipe could be only season, and if you want to use the recipe you would need to play season. I mean without having the double primal drops.
I think the whole game sucks, "rare" items become salvage material later in the game, in reality there's no rare items in the game, just a large pool of items that repeat over and over. I don't understand why didn't they make real rare items that only drop as rarely as primals, but are actually useful to your class and don't belong in the same large pool of trash. Make them have 2 or even 3 sockets by default, or ability to put additional legendary gems, or unique abilities that can augment your build to do stuff you couldn't do before. The game becomes so boring so fast, and it's so frustrating because it had a really good potential to develop into something bigger. The guys in Blizzard just don't have any inspiration to make this game grow, the graphics are getting better by each iteration, but gameplay is stuck in ARPG grind, no trading, no pvp, no activities besides grinding for XP and same shitty items over and over.
maybe that PA dust even could be used on a legendary to roll one stat perfect too?
Since upgrade rare can result in PA AND reforge legendary can result in PA. Having a dust that lets you guarantee a primal of your choice would be redundant. You just said It yourself, “the game already makes it easy for you, in 2 days you can run with a meta build” that is the easy part, PA is the frustrating element, it’s like grinding for paragon or gems for caldisans, there is no shortcut but to do the work. You’re just trying to justify a more meaningful resource by salvaging primals and then guaranteeing a specific item to be primal, by that logic we should make ancient dust and guarantee a specific item becomes ancient. Like you said game already makes it easy for you. Stop whining, start grinding.
I stopped really blasting D3 2 seasons ago from being sick of the lifeless red beams. I actually had to catch up this season on what "eminate" means and what "ethereals" are.
I LOVE THE IDEA!
It's worse when you have a build, with a primal with the stats you want,.. and Blizzard changes the makeup of that Primal,.. now it's completely useless. THAT IS INFRURIATING!.
I mean the change is easy and you nailed it on the head, just make one give you a primal dust on salvage and have it take 5 to create a primal of an item you want. It's not like the entire purpose of this game and seasons at this point is to NOT get your end build and just climb as high as you can. The current primal system is just a mess and a tease.
I play to enjoy myself and also only play seasons for the longest time. That is why I am glad they implemented seasons and have different themes for them.
If you think it is frustrating for you guys who play several hours every day, just think how frustrating it is for those of us who can play a few hours a day (or maybe only 10 hours a week total).
You said you got 59 primal. Probably 95 or higher percent of players only find 1 to 5 primal for the entire season.
I've said a while ago that it'd help a lot with Primals if you could reroll every stat. So that every Primal is always the best version of that leggy it could ever be.
Which I think is sorta useful, though it'd definitely not fix all problems
Transferring primal status, or even letting it Ancientify normal legendaries (while keeping the current stats, just ancientifying them).
An even easier solution to Primals not being on items you want is to simply disallow primal drops on items that have no legendary property, are not 6piece sets, or set jewelry.
This would leave the crafting part alone so you can still make primal crimson/augilds and even reforge some garbage nutcracker into primal if you wanted for the memes. Its not perfect and there are plenty of items with terrible legendary properties but it would skim off the top layer of garbage with super minimal effort. I would imagine its a toggle like effect because they disallowed ancients/primals from the set reroll cube recipe. So in theory its easy.
Personally I would just remove those garbage legendaries with no powers straight up, which would also solve the problem, but i can understand why they may not want to.
I think the 2 Rolls on a primal is the best, the easiest, and less tedious.
These Primal wands I keep finding will be so fun to reroll twice before salvaging them.
Lucky you! I in no way play 24/7, but I am Paragon 1300 and have gotten only 2 Primals... Just 2.
Easy fix: just make a primal ALWAYS roll as a set item for the class you're playing. It might not be for your chosen build but it would still give a much higher chance of being playable without breaking the game.
Then builds that utilize LoD would be at a severe disadvantage
@@blaikesavo6173 OK how about a combo of my idea and Rax's. Primals are unchanged from current. But new cube recipe takes 5 primals and either an ancient regular item or ancient set item and you can re-roll to a primal legendary or primal set item. To even it out, the re-roll wouldn't be class-specific so you could still get a blackthorns or something. You could also have it re-roll to the same item type as you used in the recipe (armor, helmet, etc.)
I have found squirts with dex, dmg (changed to crit chance), crit dmg, socket, poison resist and gold find this season :)
I like your idea -- another one would be to simply limit the pool of items that can drop as PA, for example weapons, off-hands, and rings only. Or maybe just removing set items from the pool might be enough. With that said, I suspect that with the current drop system the item is rolled first, and then the rarity -- if that's the case limiting the pool may not be trivial to implement.
Skycutter dont get why it's such a low drop should revamp that making is crazy or better drop rate
another idea would be, adding an increase drop chance for when a primal drops to be a piece of gear you had on when you cleared your current highest GR tier
Yup Primal Ancients Dust and a new recipe on cube makes sense, everytime I get a primal it doesnt excite me as much as it should make you excited since its rare. Like what you said like when it drop the feeling is like "ehh okay"
2 new cube recipes. 1st recipe rolls a PA into a different item of PA level. 2nd rolls a PA into the same item PA item but with different stats. (Haven't watched all video of that is suggested, mb)
Epic yes they need to fix this as well as storage space either more space or a personal storage from the connected storage.
this is an amazing solution I just groan seeing the red bean rn and would love it to mean something
Sadly they won't even fix the sound file problem pretty dead company
"hellfire things i never use" says Raxx with hellfire neck on barb =)
They should make it rarer and change it to a token that converts an item to primal ancient
The fact that he sugjested primal dust then blizard released primordial ashes 😂
You should be able to roll 2 stats on Primal Ancients. Problem fixed.
Few hackers again on ps4. 150 in 50 seconds?it's hilarious
Great idea, especially with the cost of hellfire reagents, this would make Ubers relevant again!!!
Spot on. Core idea: make to red beam exciting. Primal Dust will work. It could be season only, re-rolled items could disappear. Just like Ethereals this season.
5 primal dusts to reroll an existing primal into randomly new stats
To that end, I hope they add the Ethereal weapons to non-season (new drops only... no keeping this seasons large quantities of them), but rarer than Primals. Getting a good Ethereal drop after this season should be exciting and a “Gee, I guess I’m switching builds” moment.
couldn't agree more, of all primals I've ever seen drop since they came out with them I think I've found 2 that were good out of 100
I think this along with a paragon revamp would make a lot more people want to grind the game out
nice ide but pretty sure all botters are gonne be full primal
also bro dont forget to mention, the updates... for example my JORDAN RING PRIMAL so hard to find and D3 UPDATES IT WITH NEW STATS ON IT and now it is NOT UPDATED so I need to GRIND BACK MY PRIMAL GEARS just to catch up with the new updated JORADAN PRIMAL RING... this is so sad because it is so hard and after the update it is trash now.. hope they fix this update issue so players wont grind back because it is update and they need to update the previous items or many players will quit because it is crazy to find primal and update comes and BOOM your old PRIMALS are TRASH no updated stats :( :( :( :( got many useful primal but some of it are OUTDATED because of the new patch they added.. pls address this also to the DEVS why they do this idea? Update > Update all.. not Update but make other old items useless after the update, the STRUGGLE the MANY HOURS to find that SPECIFIC ITEM..
Just make the "two rerolls" only doable on a Seasonal character. You could _gradually_ twink your non-season character, sure, but it'd take a while _and_ add Season value for primarily non-seasonal players.
Well, Raxx pretty much nailed it this one no?
Thanks for the video Rax.
Blizzard, if you're watching.
My Diablo III wish list.
1.: Please let us decide which town we start our game in.
2.: Regarding ancients and primal ancients, reforging should give at least ancient for ancient, and primal ancient for primal ancient.
3.: Please fix the bug that causes slow inventory loading on Mac. ( Fix. Video settings changed from high to low or low to high every time i enter the game is sooo annoying. )
4.: I upgrade a lot of legendary gems, whyyyy do Urshi need to tell me, and instruct me every daaamn time.. maybe a one click option for all upgrades, that would be cool.
5.: Lets keep the Idea of the Ethereals, make them more rare, like the primals are now maybe.
6.: Auto pick up options for materials, gems & legendarys please.
Tank you!
Primal solution 1) Reduce loot table for primal drops to only encompass set items, weapons with an affix on them (90-95% class played drop, 5-10% other class played) solution 2) Add simplest possible recipe in the cube of dumping 2 (unwanted) primal items to reroll a completely new random primal (maybe this time a useable primal if not, save and gamble again) 3) If adding new salvage materials (ie PA dust) to implement some kind of new primal recipe making, it would be nice to implement some changes to solo player (followers) that if you did rifts solo with a follower and killed the RG, you get a (for example) 25% chance of dropping a/some PA dust, at T16 with say 5% drop each Torment less and maybe similar for GRs, perhaps even think about adding drops of bounty materials for solo/followers only when just rifting or greater rifting, cause its sucks doing bounties on your own. Just a few ideas.
Great concept your idea would eliminate junk primals either clogging storage or being scrapped for forgotten souls, and would revitalize under used areas of the game like uber parts. I really hope blizzard runs with this idea, they could really use something to raise player engagement and retention right now.
My thoughts:
Trash loot is trash. Mid level loot is trash. Non-ancient Legendary loot is trash. Inventory management is THE most pointless, frustrating, time consuming, hellacious, boring, rage-quit inducing trash ever conceived.
If all I’m doing with loot for half my ingame time is running to the blacksmith to salvage trash loot… well… trash.
I’d MUCH rather have NO trash loot drop at all, and just have the loot table filled with mats and a very rare chance at a red beam.
THEN: have a robust crafting system that allows me to create exactly the gear I want. That way gring is meaningful. I have a set goal. I can see how long it will take to collect the mats I need. I’m not on an unknown, unknowable, possibly endless grind for specific pieces of kit that may never drop.
Look at DDO (Dungeons & Dragons Online). There are a number of different crafting systems. Certain set types require running certain content for specific mats. Other, more generic items, require more common mats that drop everywhere. Deconstruction is fruitful, and there is still so much variety that many many many different unique character builds are possible. Different synergies are possible. Strategic depth and uniqueness are preserved.
Rarity is good, grind is inevitable, but having an achievable goal should be paramount to legitimize BOTH grind AND rarity.
lets speak about our real problem para>everything else
I agree with the Primal Dust, Rax. This needs to happen. Shit, I’m farming puzzle rings in S24 in order to get all ethereals and shit it’s a good time.
My thoughts: Yes, make it extremely expensive to upgrade. I like the uber mat idea and I agree that making more of the content essential is key. I wouldn’t mind having crafting mats similar to the beginning of loot 2.0. I would make these more rare, but similar concept. The random purple “bosses” in adventure need to be spiced up. Having them drop essential mats for the primal recipe would be a great addition IMO. Rifts, GRs and bounties over and over definitely burn us out.
5 primal embers ( you get one ember per primal salvaged)
10 each of Hellfire materials:
50 of each bounty.
5000 of every crafting material.
An ancient of the item you want to upgrade.
Another option would be maybe it costs like 10 GR keys?
It would be a direct upgrade of the item as well. So you would take the time to find and reroll your ancient until you get the stat blocks you want.
The new primal has perfect stats of the same stat blocks your ancient has. To make it different than a natural pull you could make it so it cannot be rerolled.
Giving the possibility to target craft a primal is a terrible idea in itself. It kills the essence of primals and gives botters another upper hand on legit players. Your idea is not new and it has been voiced on blizzard forums for years. It is good until the reagent parts, after you should just be able to use a certain amounts of these to craft another RANDOM primal. It is very important to keep the random in place. The problem is the useless primals, and this way we can use them. Sometimes they'll lead to another useless primal, sometimes it will pay off big. Also the number should not be low. at least 5 primals to 1 , ideal I would say 10 to 1.
I like the material cost idea, although I would like to see primals come with more primary stats. Maybe just an extra primary so there is more of a chance that it has what you want.
This the thing about D3 - they add a new cool mechanic, but limit the hell out of it. Legendary gems? Really cool, but can only use in rings and amulets. Kanai Cube with extracted lendary powers? Nice, but can only have three of those and one of specific item type, so no three weapons powers (meaning most rings and amulets are not worth it). Primal Ancients? Awesome, but super rare and a random item that will never go with your build.
I dunno make one primal a guaranteed drop every fifth greater rift above 100 you clear. You can still get something you will never use, but at least you know there will be one.
I think the two biggest problems with Diablo 3 are paragon levels, and easily obtained perfect items, being primals. One of the main activities in an ARPG is killing monsters to find loot so you can improve your character. The primals ruin this, as you eventually no longer care about regular legendary drops, as it's just a waste of time since we know it doesn't have perfect stats even before picking it up. For those who play a lot, getting full primal gear is possible, and at that point there is absolutely no reason to pick up anything at all. It should be close to impossible to get perfect rolls on an item, so that you always have improvements to look out for, getting excited when a gear piece you need drops.
By removing the paragon system, every player, casual or not, gets a chance to reach rank 1 on the leaderboard because it would be all about the gear and skill of the player. Players who play more will still be rewarded, as they are more likely to get better gear. Remember how hard it used to be to get a trifecta yellow ring with attack speed, critt chance and critt damage and how excited you got when you found an extremely rare item and later post screenshots to brag to friends and the community?
Right now the seasons are all about leveling up as much as you can, and the last two weeks push the leaderboards. 99% of players are not going to do that, so once they get the gear they need, they quit, as there is no excitement left, which is why most people quit after a couple of days in the season.
And it's just sad, because there is so few changes needed in order to make diablo great again.
Nope. started wrong.
you should ask why do they exist.
blizzard wanting everyone to be hyped and happy finding legendarys. well turns out when you give everyone legendary items left and right, they arent legendary anymore at all.
freakin inflation.
next thing they bring ancients, same shit. inflation, no meaning at all besides cheap content. let them hunt for those new powerfull items. lul
problem! they dont mean anything anymore, they are not rare.
So they invent that primal bs.
Same with seasons, just cheap content.
Paragon levels, cheap content.
They ruined the game by splitting the already pissed community into normal, normal HC,season, season HC.
After closing the Auctionhouse and implementing their "masterplan".
You can rly feel the disconnect. The Artists and programmers made a very well optimized game that still looks very good and the next gen is ruining it.
I agree with the primal ancient dust idea. That is definitely something missing in the game. Further on that idea, I believe it should require more than 5 of said material, considering that you have likely obtained well over 50 primals by the end of the season. There would also need to be a downside to this recipe...perhaps the item would retain all current stats (including whatever you rerolled) but be reforged in such a way that it cannot be enchanted ever again. The item could be enchanted prior to the recipe's use, but once used, it would solidify the item's stats forever, with all values being pushed to their maximum.
I think that separate to that recipe, there should be a recipe that uses materials only available via the weekly challenge rift (to control and limit its use)...My concept here would name this material an "exalted gemstone". This could be crafted with any primal item which was *NOT obtained by the primal ancient dust recipe**. The exalted gemstone, combined with 15 of each bounty material, 500 death's breaths, and 150 forgotten souls, and any *eligible primal ancient item...would effectively allow you reroll a SECOND stat on said item. When using this recipe, the item would be a labelled an "Exalted Ancient Item", perhaps with a purple border.
This would essentially reduce the frustration of grinding and finally finding that ALMOST perfect item, only to realize that if you could reroll a second stat, that the item would truly be perfect. I do believe this would require the weekly challenge rift to be involved in order to prevent abuse of this power. Additionally, I believe the way this would execute would be that the item would have to have been previously enchanted. The recipe would retain the item's current stats, retainingthe stat that you rerolled...but resetting the item with its current stats, allowing for the item to be enchanted as if it originally rolled the way it was when the recipe was used.
I believe the above strategy would provide a fair way to give your build a sense of finality, without providing a way for players to abuse the game and become overpowered. These recipes couldn't possibly be abused if they require materials only available via the challenge rift.
Something like what you proposed.
Make them disenchant into a new "red mather".
Then you need mats like from the key guardians fragments and there portals.
Make it cost little at first, but increase par primal you KEEP par season.
So your first one re-crafted costs1 of each of the mats and 3 red mather.
Numbers 2 and 3 cost twice as much.
Numbers 4 and 5 five times as much.
From here on, times 10.
This brings it to
3 for the first, 6 for nr. 2&3 and 15 for nr. 4&5
For 6 and onward, a whopping 30...
I have never used a Marauder set. Always had GoD set and hoped to get a GoD Primal. But guess what? I got a Primal Ancient Maruder Pants 😏 I got a Primal Ancient Ring. Checked salvage list on Maxroll and saw it on the list of items to salvage 😔 This is so unfair!
While we're at it, make another higher level of the vault for primal puzzle ring
Yes please
Having primal dusts is a great way to fix primal ancients. I would suggest a slightly different approach than adding more bounty mats to the "Make Primal" recipe. First, we want something that can work in season + non-season. Second, we want something that rewards people playing a lot. Third, we want something that is not broken that you finish the season full primal.
I would impose a base cost of ~5(or 8 or 10?) primal dusts the FIRST time this recipe is used. Then for the second time (N) the recipe is used, the cost in primal dust (P) would jump to: P + exponential(N). And so on. First primal? Need 5 dust. Second primal? Need 12 dusts. Third primal? Need 25 dusts. Fourth primal? Need 59 dusts. Want to be full primal? Need 162759 dusts! (5 + exp(12)).
That would: Easily reward casual players to have maybe one (their weapon) or two primals. Still reward big players (Raxx, you'd have 3/4 primals by now which seems fair). Make it impossible to finish full primal in non-season. I believe that would solve most of the issues and avoid to farm 10000 veiled crystals, which is admitedlly, not very fun.
What amuses me is that when Blizzard came up with the concept of Primals, their first idea was great : basically, they were like Ethereals : stronger items than were better than perfect ancients to the point where you'd be able to create a whole build around them. But then a ton of crybabies who want to compete with steamers who play close to 24h/24, which is a ridiculous idea, made them backpedal. Ethereals are great because looking for them is worth it, and that's not the case with current Primals.
i've only got 2 primal ancients and im paragon 860 i think, i had to spend so many mats just to get certain legendaries because they wouldnt drop ;-;
I mean primals are amazing but spending 8 hours a day just to make a few primals which wont even get good rolls just doesnt seem enjoyable
obviously im going to say this because i dont play diablo 3 as much as everyone else so its kinda subjective
The professional term of the "5yo approach" is "the 5 why-method" xD
Was looking to see if anyone brought this up.
Bummer Rax. I have found two primal GoD pieces and one was nearly perfect.
when it comes to PA gear it all just plain sucks and is useless, the idea behind PA gear is to find perfect gear imo so my solution though not certain how difficult it would be to implement is to have all stats on a PA roll-able. what i refer too is the ever increasing cost of rolling a single stat to one you want on a legendary expanded to a PA giving the opportunity to gain the PA of desired make over time. each stat re rolled increases the costs of the roll itself, have 5 stats to add? then start with first requiring said items to get the roll and increase each time you roll that stat until luck sways your way and you get it, move on to stat 2 and cost continues to increase and does not reset from first stat getting ever more expensive requiring more of which ever price is attached. as a example first stat cost gold, second stat gold at rate stopped on first stat plus crafting mats, third stat cost where you left off on second stat plus bounty mats, forth stat same as third stat plus hellfire mats, fifth stat cost forth stats plus PA dust (like that idea too) all growing ever increasingly making grinding the whole game have a benefit from beginning to end and due to RND some stat rolls could increase costs to a crazy level making it even great for non season players with endless time on their hands. heck they could even have it where PA gear dropped blank and you had to roll each stat onto it until complete making the stats available in rolls only those that would be normally found on that item as a legendary. probably to difficult to pull off but thats my idea of a great fix
Some great idea's there Rax, for seasons they could even add a cool down on the recipe maybe "14 days" that way it would stop bots being full primal in a week.You have certainly given blizz some food for thought.
I think one way is a new cube recipe that can change any primal to a different primal of the same type. A useless primal ring could be rerolled into a different primal ring. You can reroll legendaries to the same one with different stats so it would be even harder to get what you want by rerolling say a primal blackthorn pants into a different primal pants - still a ton to chose from but at least that useless primal now might become something you would use (it still would not help the 2 follower primals I've gotten).
Primals are good as they are
they arent rare at all
good primals are rare
as they should be.
your primal doesnt have resist all ?
wel to bad just pop in some diamonds and grind some P levels to make up for the lost main stat.
its called finding sulutions to your problems
its part of the game play
also go play some d2.. come cry to me when you just made your BoTD and the stats all rolled low so you have to scrap it again.
Snowflake generation...jees.
I feel like the majority of the player base don’t play past each season’s season journey. Primal Ancients upgrading are thus not something very relatable nor necessary. They would probably get less than 5 before finishing the last journey requirement and uninstalling for that season.
What about cube recipe that will add legendary power to ancient primal and remove current one? And you cannot mix weapon / armor / jewelry. That salvaging for extra material can be tricky.
I like it. And the stat rolls don't need to be addressed.
5 PA dust + ingredients + Ancient Item rolls a PA of that item with new stats.
To reroll a PA stats just use the same recipe but use the PA instead of the ancient.
Yea it might take a while to get the stats you want but it's doable