Fallout's Lost & Forgotten Factions (Van Buren) | Van Buren Fallout 3 Lore Non-Canon

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  • Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
  • Van Buren was extremely close to being completed and released, becoming the 3rd mainline Fallout game. But in the end it was canceled along with a lot of ideas for new factions.
    In this video we explore those lost and forgotten factions and how they went on to influence later ones within New Vegas and the actual Fallout 3
    These are the cut factions from Van Buren aka Fallout 3.
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    Timestamps:
    0:00 - Introduction/History Of Van Buren
    2:11 - 215 Rail Line Powder Gang
    4:41 - 3-Some Caravan
    7:24 - Blackfoot Tribe
    10:28 - Boulder Scientists
    12:11 - Circle Of Steel
    14:31 - Jackals & Daughters Of Hecate
    18:35 - Iron Rivers
    20:23 - Denver Scavengers
    22:54 - Scaven-Pickers
    25:15 - Summary
    26:52 - Credits
    #fallout #vanburen #bethesda
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  • @WiseFish
    @WiseFish  Рік тому +74

    Slight correction, the scientists play a big part in Van Buren and I’ll be exploring what happens in the Boulder Dome within a future video. Apart from that I hope you enjoyed it!

    • @wiwysova
      @wiwysova Рік тому +5

      Here's another correction, the Blackfoot tribe didn't inspire Caesars legion, Caesars legion was already in the game, still taking slaves. You're welcome.

  • @topcat59
    @topcat59 Рік тому +184

    At least the whole stealth boy situation was carried over to new Vegas but instead of the brotherhood it was the super mutants that was dealing with this issue.😺

    • @WiseFish
      @WiseFish  Рік тому +33

      Oh yeah of course!! I forgot about that, damn I should have included that

    • @crimzenwoffinden9973
      @crimzenwoffinden9973 Рік тому +6

      ​@@WiseFish schizophrenic soldiers in power armor whhhhaaaaaaaat!?

    • @leonweskeradac8239
      @leonweskeradac8239 Рік тому +10

      Yeah, it makes sense for NightKin to have it cause of the strong connection to the master and constant use of stealth boys even when not in combat. Though l could see sense in bad stealth boys. It has been 200 years, things wouldn’t work properly if exposed to time

  • @jackpfefferkorn3734
    @jackpfefferkorn3734 11 місяців тому +16

    Fun fact: the gun that New Vegas' Anti-Materiel rifle is based on is called the Hecate. Just an interesting coincidence with the name of the character from Van Buren

  • @callanbarclay1248
    @callanbarclay1248 Рік тому +36

    WiseFish the biggest and most charming fallout lore nerd

    • @WiseFish
      @WiseFish  Рік тому +7

      Charming? Well thank you very much!

    • @callanbarclay1248
      @callanbarclay1248 Рік тому

      Yeah charming and nerdy when you’re a expert at lore you are those two things my friend

    • @ThiccBoiJohnny
      @ThiccBoiJohnny Рік тому +1

      Oxhorn is bussin' too

  • @rustyshackleford3917
    @rustyshackleford3917 Рік тому +11

    It’s so cool to see a lot of these factions that didn’t get to see the light of day be playable nations in HOI4’s OWB mod

  • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
    @GreenBlueWalkthrough Рік тому +21

    Sounds like when Obsidon has tie and Bethesda the will... This would make for a great new vegas prequel.

  • @UltFemWarrior
    @UltFemWarrior Рік тому +32

    Once again WiseFish delivers us a perfect video! Great job man keep up the hard work!

  • @leonweskeradac8239
    @leonweskeradac8239 Рік тому +12

    I like how they expand simple raider groups. Real want to see these fractions implemented in game

  • @Sergio-ep4hq
    @Sergio-ep4hq Рік тому +22

    Would you kindly make a brotherhood and Cesar legion fallow up :)

  • @Cothfotmeoo
    @Cothfotmeoo Рік тому

    Awesome job with this vid. Some pretty understandable gangs along with some really crazy ones. Those Daughters of Hecate and Skaven-Pickers were wild. XD Well played!

  • @whimsy0451
    @whimsy0451 Рік тому

    Always look forward to a video from WiseFish. Splendid!

  • @matthewanderson9754
    @matthewanderson9754 Рік тому

    Well, I'm done with this and I'm going into the playlist again, because your content is so good!!! Keep it up man!!!😁

  • @dimitriofthedon3917
    @dimitriofthedon3917 Рік тому

    Love ya vids mate, made this rainy night better lad

    • @WiseFish
      @WiseFish  Рік тому +1

      Happy to hear that dude and thank you! Have a good one

  • @wizardwaluigi8623
    @wizardwaluigi8623 Рік тому +5

    Wow, I heard of Van Buren but didn't know it was going to sound so awsome. Sounds like a lot of it was copied by future Fallout games and a lot of good content was lost.

  • @avr3445
    @avr3445 Рік тому +1

    Please more Van Buren content! This is great!

  • @JeanLucCaptain
    @JeanLucCaptain Рік тому +9

    Definitely do all the lore weapons etc. it’s basically an alternative history!

  • @grumpybollox7949
    @grumpybollox7949 Рік тому

    amazing video! love it

  • @geoxev9423
    @geoxev9423 Рік тому +3

    Imagine you're a traveler in the Wasteland. You have to go through Denver but you are allergic to dogs.😂

  • @ghostplays2766
    @ghostplays2766 Рік тому +22

    Great video, as always. Can I suggest you take a look at Fallout-themed mod called Old World Blues for the game Hearts of Iron IV? It adds a absurd amount of factions, many of which have fantastic lore. Love your content!

    • @RobotWithHumanHair.
      @RobotWithHumanHair. Рік тому +7

      I was just thinking about this mod when I clicked on this video. The mod uses lore from every fallout game released or canceled so they used lots of lore from van buren. With how well done the mod is I think he’d enjoy it lots.

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 Рік тому +3

      That mod even uses content from obscure cancelled games almost nobody knows about like fallout extreme

  • @101mckraken
    @101mckraken 2 місяці тому

    Luv these cut content videos
    I remember when this game was canceled and remember being pretty disappointed

  • @akramgimmini8165
    @akramgimmini8165 Рік тому

    Good Content as always 👏 👌

  • @grumpyoldcat8302
    @grumpyoldcat8302 6 днів тому

    I REALLY would love a video covering Hecate and the Daughters of Hecate in detail!!!!! I’ve always thought Hecate in particular was such an interesting character, and her connection to the nursery certainly would have made her quite an important character in the overarching story of Interplay’s planned Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, like Caesar’s Legion. Though, unlike the legion, Hecate didn’t make any sort of appearance in Fallout: New Vegas. You could argue Ulysses is inspired by her, but their planned stories differ in a lot of important ways.

  • @doomshill110
    @doomshill110 Рік тому +3

    We were robbed this game would’ve been so neat

  • @tinmen5943
    @tinmen5943 Рік тому +3

    Well get to see these factions again but they'll be different

  • @MrHathaway1337
    @MrHathaway1337 Рік тому

    Thank you for a lore video without g-fuel spam.

  • @bradyhere2427
    @bradyhere2427 Рік тому +7

    Didn't the Vipers become the Hounds of Hectate and not the Jackals ? I thought the Jackals were attempting to break into the Boulder Dome

    • @bradyhere2427
      @bradyhere2427 Рік тому +4

      Also pretty sure the Vipers where never cannibalistic. You may have gotten them mixed up. Other than that great video love your stuff

    • @colddaze6680
      @colddaze6680 Рік тому +2

      @@bradyhere2427 true , Vipers are snake - viper worshippers. Jackals are the cannibals.

    • @AC-hj9tv
      @AC-hj9tv 11 місяців тому

      Wow what a fail

  • @cupguy2555
    @cupguy2555 Рік тому +4

    I kinda wish interplay only did fallout not other games if they did they wouldn’t have gone bankrupt and van buren would have come out but I hope modders or other designers would bring this game back, I find the main plot interesting but I hope it has no time limit to end the game like the original fallout to find the water chip. Thanks for making this video and keep up the good work

    • @madness1931
      @madness1931 Рік тому +7

      From what I understand, it's more mismanagement, than the games developed (and published). The folks running the company did a poor job. Mismanaged projects, which created delays, which made budget issues, which led to money borrowing, which led to other companies trying to have their say... it's all one big mess. While they were trying to put out fires, more were popping up, like the various legal issues, which spanned years.

    • @Jesion-kv9tu
      @Jesion-kv9tu Рік тому +1

      It's those other games that helped Interplay stay afloat. The success of Baldur's Gate alone probably delayed the bankruptcy by a couple years

    • @origintrackz5235
      @origintrackz5235 Рік тому +1

      @@Jesion-kv9tu Exactly!

  • @brothers_of_nod
    @brothers_of_nod Рік тому

    I still wish to see someone give something of a complete van buren, I know it would not be the same, but something to enjoy.

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Місяць тому

    Right off the bat, two guys in front of a train cart.

  • @SuedDuke
    @SuedDuke 10 місяців тому

    Which legion mod are you using in the footage?

  • @gloomyjz
    @gloomyjz Рік тому

    12:35 what mod is the bunker from?

  • @TobiIsAGoodBoy1
    @TobiIsAGoodBoy1 Рік тому +2

    i am a bit saddened that F76 didn't introduce at the time the largest raider group known the viper gang who killed a Maxon using mutated toxins. Their need for tech an revenge on the continent spanning raiders is what fueled the brotherhood to march west. new Vegas has the only in game representation as a small remaining group huddled at a hole in the wall near the train tracks leading out of Nipton (they got some "traps" set up as traffic cones with land mines under them)

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 Рік тому +1

      A: The vipers are only west coast, they originate in vault 15, it makes no sense for them to be in west Virginia.
      B: Those viper ambushers aren't the only vipers in fallout new vegas.
      C: the brotherhood of steel was not "forced west by the vipers." The brotherhood of steel started in mariposa military base, which is in central california. They marched south and populated lost hills bunker. Then Roger maxson died, several years later maxson II his son, led an expedition against the vipers where he was killed.

    • @TobiIsAGoodBoy1
      @TobiIsAGoodBoy1 Рік тому

      @@mappingshaman5280 ah I was pretty sure they killed an early maxon (like the 3rd or something making it a mid west / east kill ) but could be wrong been retcons an abandoned lore.

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 Рік тому

      @@TobiIsAGoodBoy1 There was no mid west or east coast BOS at that time, except for the fallout 76 BOS which has nothing to do with the west coast BOS and is really just bethesda copy pasting their marketable assets. The entire BOS was in california, specifically lost hills, right next to the hub. If you play fallout 1 or even new vegas you'd understand it all.

  • @cassiemoyles4177
    @cassiemoyles4177 10 місяців тому

    I hope the circle of steel gets to be in a game at one point.
    It would be the first time that we would for sure have humans with similar symptoms to nightkin

    • @cassiemoyles4177
      @cassiemoyles4177 10 місяців тому +1

      Also the daughters of Hecate, thats fucking awesome as a concept honestly. Scary midwives who steal your children and have the atrongest people, is a terrifying and I love it.

  • @GLASSMOSCOWANDBEIJING
    @GLASSMOSCOWANDBEIJING Рік тому +2

    I just noticed that you dropped a new video and my expression was literally like that meme of 2 soyjacks just pointing at a thing. Keep em coming bro, especially fallout ones

  • @greendude7650
    @greendude7650 5 місяців тому +1

    Damn I would have loved all of those tribes in fallout 3 or NV shame.

  • @Matt-md5yt
    @Matt-md5yt Рік тому +1

    sweet

  • @bigj1905
    @bigj1905 Рік тому +2

    Theirs a mod for Hoi4 called Old World Blues that’s pretty much a Fallout mod for the game.
    The mod has all of these factions located in northern Arizona/Colorado. I had no idea they were inspired from Van Buren

  • @gunproofgrandad
    @gunproofgrandad 11 місяців тому +2

    Daughters if Hecate are a great idea. Could be carried over into a future fallout. Make her someone who was conquered by the legion and made some high priestess due to being naturally skilled as a midwife but she betrayed Caesar and escaped and then started doing what she does with the tribes to build her own army and that’s the reason why Caesar’s legion has such a low opinion of women.

  • @blacksuite1
    @blacksuite1 Рік тому +3

    New Canon or New Canaan?

    • @colddaze6680
      @colddaze6680 Рік тому +3

      Had to mean New Canaan. He just pronounced it wrong.

  • @MDNGTSHEP
    @MDNGTSHEP Рік тому

    Is there any chance this could come back?

  • @notoriousp.o.g6773
    @notoriousp.o.g6773 Рік тому

    if they ever make another fallout game, I hope they used this lore in some way

  • @madness1931
    @madness1931 Рік тому +2

    I wonder if the Chinese armour has the same side-effects as the StealthBoy. I honestly wish we got to see another region, that's not the US, and see how that country tried to deal with the Fallout. Would Vault-Tec branch out into Europe? What if there was a British version of the Enclave (that were Royalists)? What if there was a faction that had children leaders, because they needed a very short person, to play the role of Napoleon? What is the Communistic Vault-Tec variant, in China? There is so much untapped potential in the Fallout IP, I wish we got to see more of it... Just not by Bethesda.

    • @theoneandonlydetraebean8286
      @theoneandonlydetraebean8286 Рік тому +2

      It was mentioned that the Chinese had mastered stealth technology to the point they successfully parked entire submarines along the immediate vicinity the coasts such as the submarine crew that founded the Shi in San Francisco's Chinatown and Captain Zhao's submarine along Boston. If sub crews were expected to stay cloaked for anywhere from several weeks to several years ,the Chinese would have to make sure the stealth technology did not affect the user's mental state. The fact Zhao was able to maintain sanity for 2 centuries in one of these subs meant that their stealth tech did not suffer from the same side effects that the American stealth boys technology did.

    • @madness1931
      @madness1931 Рік тому +1

      @@theoneandonlydetraebean8286 Sure, but there is one difference. A sub is a vehicle. It can fit much larger tech, and with far better shielding. Contrast that to the Stealth Suits. They're portable, maneuverable, light, and last a long time.

  • @Salt_and_Peroxide
    @Salt_and_Peroxide 10 місяців тому

    aw yep

  • @humanwolf1984
    @humanwolf1984 Рік тому

    Hi Wisefish how are you. 😇

  • @davidponder1654
    @davidponder1654 3 місяці тому

    There has to be a playable version of fallout 3 somewhere right? I need it. I would pay 5x more for that than whatever bethesda comes up with next.

  • @SUPERFunStick
    @SUPERFunStick Рік тому +1

    It's kind of mind blowing to me how incredibly well games from 07/08 have aged visually and mechanically. Fallout 3 looks graphically about 1/2 as good as fo4 and has nearly identical controls. Dark souls, dead space, Oblivion (especially if you bought that prem-o horse armor!) *Chef kisses* seriously, gaming on the Xbox 360 and (sorta) PS3 machines was a brand new, mine boggling chapter of gaming history, and the most amazing part of that generation was the fact that somehow, graphics continued to get better and better until 2014/15 when late gen, and cross gen games could somehow still keep pace in basically all aspects with Xbox one and PS4 games. That whole generation from 05 to 2015 was the most important generation for gaming since the switch from NES to SNES and Genesis. I worry regularly that we'll never experience another pivotal era in gaming ever again, because now we have literally CGI quality gameplay and really, how much further and quickly can games realistically go from here? I think we're in a kind of scary plateau with hardware and software capabilities, giving us less and less noticeable returns graphically and exciting new kinds of code/game mechanics, and it'll take something like the fabled singularity event. I kind of with I could go back to 2003 and watch the exploring of Xbox to Xbox 360 all over again with the benefit of hindsight.

  • @wiwysova
    @wiwysova 9 місяців тому

    Literally no one helped the powder gangers against good springs

  • @AK_AUDITS
    @AK_AUDITS Рік тому

    FALLOUT THE FRONTIER

  • @AK_AUDITS
    @AK_AUDITS Рік тому

    NEW CALIFONRIA

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Місяць тому

    SPACE!!!

  • @elvangulley3210
    @elvangulley3210 Рік тому +1

    The real and only fallout 3

    • @therealamon
      @therealamon Рік тому +3

      At least new vegas used lots of content and ideas from van buren we could only pray obsidian makes another fallout or in a perfect world bethesda makes a game on par or better than obsidian could (may never happen)

  • @alanwatts6025
    @alanwatts6025 8 місяців тому

    This sounds like a better game than any of the Bethesda games (new vegas is not a Bethesda game)

  • @Undeadaccount
    @Undeadaccount Рік тому

    Ceasar a man? Ha more like god among men! 😂

  • @DIRTYHANDS84
    @DIRTYHANDS84 8 місяців тому +1

    Better than fallout 3

  • @Evantrop
    @Evantrop Рік тому

    Its not about making good games.companions dont give a shit about that.
    Its about making money.

  • @funrun07haan50
    @funrun07haan50 Рік тому

    Wish we had legion in f76 bc damm what would i love to nuke them every day

    • @meatycitadel
      @meatycitadel Рік тому

      the followers of the apocalypse hasnt even been formed yet...

  • @wiwysova
    @wiwysova 9 місяців тому

    More canon than fallout 4 and 76

  • @Bluis5445
    @Bluis5445 Рік тому

    Non cannon, don’t care.

    • @theeternal2734
      @theeternal2734 Рік тому

      There's Always One Asshole At The Bottom Of The Comment Section

  • @wiwysova
    @wiwysova Рік тому

    Wow "quality content" right here