Okay so how I hope that it is started. Almost like a noir movie with a cavill voice over explaining the world he is visiting and why he "an inquisitor" is there. Then over the course of the film show, dont tell, the horrors of the imperium such as life on a hive city and the gene stealer cults/chaos cults that he is investigating. Things go from bad to worse as he digs deeper that the cult is ready to enact whatever their final plan is. Now he works with that defence forces the planet has or has a crack team he "requisitioned" to stop that shit. At the very end, I'm mean the last 2 min, whether it's a movie or series he gets a message about some other mystery or major conflict and this is the only time Spacemarine should be either mentioned or shown. End credits.
doing a somewhat retelling of Dawn of War would be a good staring point as its more or less self contained the problem is that Henry could not be any of the named characters but I would be a good starting point
The Esienhorn trilogy. First, he would fits the bill for a Eisenhorn like he was born to it. The trilogy is far and away the most human of the 40k books I've read. Eisenhorn fails, Eisenhorn gets hurt, Eisenhorn struggles, loses friends, has a love he can never be with, there is so much drama and concern outside of eternal war and his mission as an Inquisitor that it can fill whole episodes without a shot being fired. If they pick any other start besides Eisenhorn, I think the series won't take off.
Honestly believe a Ciaphas Cain series would be the best to open the 40k universe to the general audience. Love Eisenhorn and Gaunt but I find Cain would be someone that folks would find more relatable. Maybe I'm bias as it was the first series I read that propelled me into 40k lol
I love the Ciaphas Cain novels (Black Adder in space is just brilliant as a concept), but the problem I can see with adapting those stories first in the new Amazon deal is that they have a very tongue in cheek, comedic side to them that essentially satirizes the rest of the 40K setting, and I don't think a satire of 40K is the best way to introduce new fans to the setting. You need to play the setting 'straight' (so to speak) first, before you start laughing at the many odd idiosyncrasies of 40K. If you start by laughing at the oddities of 40K first, you run the risk of never being able to achieve any dramatic gravitas in the minds of the audience when it comes time to tell stories that demand it. As an example, if an audience's first introduction to, say, an Inquisitor is the (for an Inquisitor) incredibly laid back, friendly, and companiable Amberly Veil (who is also Cains love interest figure), then it might prove hard to later have to try to row all that back to convey how truly terrifying and uncompromising Inquisitors are supposed to be in the 40K universe. I think a more serious toned series like the extremely cinematic military sci fi stories of Gaunt's Ghosts or the almost cyber-noir detective tales of the Eisenhorn and Ravenor Inquisition novels would both be better starting points to give new viewers a more balanced impression of what the 40K setting is really like in its more usual incarnations.
@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 Naw, if you play 40k straight, then you're just doing fascist propaganda. You don't necessarily need the "overt" comedy elements of Cain, but it at least needs to be over-the-top satire, e.g. "the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable" part of the tagline. At least, just don't portray most of the Imperium as the good guys, but you can get away with making a few of the characters into the "good guys" in the sense of anti-heroes.
@@hewdelfewijfe Playing 40K 'straight' is not automatically fascist propaganda at all, it just avoids overtly comedic manifestations of satire in favour of perhaps a more serious take on the stakes involved. The Imperium would not be depicted as the 'good guys' because, as is so often repeated, there are no good guys in 40K. A story like Gaunts Ghosts can show the brutal horror of war on the frontlines without depicting the Imperium as anything other than the marginally better option compared to the inchoate horrors of Chaos, which is not the same thing as being the 'good guys' at all. Similarly, the Esienhorn and Ravenor books also don't depict the Imperium as a morally unimpeachable society or anything close to it, and Eisenhorn's arc in particular is hardly a tale of some shining white hat hero paladin of righteousness. Eisenhorn is, to put it mildly, a very morally grey character indeed, and the narrative does not shy away from that. All I am saying is that it is a false dichotomy to imply that the only options when adapting 40K are either fascist propaganda or very obviously comedic satire. You can have a more seriously toned 40K story that doesn't shy away from what a messed up hell life in the Imperium really is, and just because the Imperium is a terrible and oppressive society, that doesn't mean its enemies can't be just as bad or worse, nor that genuine acts of courage and even heroism cannot be undertaken by some of those who fight in its defence because the alternative is even darker.
Part of me wants to see the primarchs but I also kinda hope they start out slow. I would like them to show how mythical and legendary marines, custodes and primarchs are within the setting. Most citizens of the Imperium only have first hand experience with the guard when it comes to the Imperiums military. They might tell each other tales of the emperors angels, but most will never encounter a space marine, let alone beings that are even more powerful. Seeing a primarch on screen needs to be impactful.
Completely agree. If the first thing we see is a primarch, then where do you go from there. Slow and steady growth from the humble man to more powerful beings will make these super beings more impactful when we do see them.
My guess would be that it will build up as well. Though if Henry plans on being in it early on this would make it difficult to keep up in the larger narrative if it does grow to include Primarchs as a guardsman or even inquisitor wouldn't be interacting with such important people more than maybe once or twice total in there lifetimes. Where as of course the reverse would be true if they did this and he did play a Primarch, He'd have to be absent for a majority of the early story only really getting a chance to show up occasionally latter on, and that's if it does turn out good enough to keep going that long to begin with. An interesting way they could maybe do both is by growing with on of the primarchs like the lion very very early in there youth, just when there starting to enter adulthood and before the emperor makes contact, they could introduce the Primarch halfway into the show which would give a decent middle ground and if done well I think wouldn't spoil the importance of the character. Of course the farther back into development the less godlike they are and the greater the potential to show there growth as a character. It's also not something that's been done in a super high level of detail to my knowledge so it could work out without having to worry about fitting the narrative of a book series not designed for film.
If I had to take a guess, we'll get something set in the modern 40k setting, but with (probably quick) flashbacks to the heresy, for context and to establish the history of the setting, for example, have a character, possibly Guilliman, approaching the eternity gate, then a quick shot of Sanguinius at the seige holding the line, probably with his face in shadow, since I doubt they'll cast him that early.
@@geoffallert1921I imagine Cavill as more like Guilleman than Russ, but he played Geralt well, so perhaps he could pull it off. I'd choose someone like Alexander Skarsgård to play Russ.
I'd love to see an Eisenhorn perspective. The Inquisitors see more of the Imperium than anyone else. Marines and guardsman have a very narrow perspective and see little of the Imperium other than training ,combat or meditation in a fortress monastery. The Inquisitors get everywher, court intrigue, xenos, chaos, hives, they see it all. I think this would give a wider story than other offices of the Imperium.
I kind of leapt when the video mentions Eisenhorn. It's one of my favorite book series and I could totally see HC as Gregor Eisenhorn. The story progression of Xenos also allows a relatively soft introduction to the grimdark future of the 41st millennium that would be perfect for onboarding viewers new to the lore.
@@spicydeath82 I hate some of the other Amazon shows specifically because they gave too much power to the showrunners. I think Henry would make the most epic Eisenhorn and Ravenor shows. Especially if he brought in Dan Abnett to help. T_T I need a win here after they butchered my favorite books with the wheel of time show...
Eisenhorn or Cain. I lean more towards Cain because it's a little more light hearted and not so grim dark. I think a Cain series would bring in more of an audience.
@@leehughes3685 Henry as Ciaphas Cain? Damn.... I'd LOVE to see that :D And it has to be said, Cain stories have everthing... Small battles, incursions, epic scale battles as well... He rubbed elbows with basically every race in the 40K universe :D
Henry said in an interview, that he wouldn't want to play an inquisitor since there are Primarchs and Valdor. Also the Amazon agreement with GW includes the 40k IP but not Heresy, Eisenhorn or Gaunt. I am pretty sure, they have saved those to earn more money in the future.
Funnily enough I was having this exact conversation with a friend about 5 mins ago who said the exact same thing re animated series 🤣 I just hope Henry manages to pull it off no matter what form it takes.
It would look so much better practical- they'd just have to slim down the armor so the actors could move. It wouldn't be 100% lore accurate; but so long as the story and characters are authentic to the established lore, then the fans would embrace it.
@@alexanderstrickland9036 wait fort the next animation fully out (pariah nexus ) and take 1 month sub if there are only the series that interests you, look at everything and unsubscribe. if the wargame and painting interest you that another story i think but i can't advice you for that =x
If Cavil picks a character that doesn’t have a model in 40K already there’s a good chance they will release a model for that character based on him. So that might influence his choice.
Personally, I think it would be smarter to have a show written from a human perspective, e.g. Imperial Guard, Inquisitor or Rogue Trader. It's easier to realise on screen for a start, gives you more scope for storytelling and Space Marines should be used extremely sparingly imo. In the 40K universe, Space Marines are almost mythical for the vast majority of humanity, hardly anyone has seen one. If you resist the urge to make the show about them, then if you do eventually show one it can inspire the level of awe and fear they carry. Otherwise it can just become numbing.
Agreed, and when the Space Marines do show up they need to be overwhelmingly violent. Have them drop in and just brutally slaughter everything that moves and then leave just as suddenly. Make the audience feel like they witnessed a horrific violent crime.
he needs to be something not a imperial guard that would'nt be good!, he wouldn't be able to take on that many enemys or any for the most part. space marine or at least like a well rounded imperial guard that was some high lvl or something and just wanted to drop down or was drop down back to imperial guard. idk he needs to be tough otherwise alot of enemy's will just pick on him and it would ruined the movie.
@@peted2770 Yes. We Fans know, what to expect from a 40k Show. But the audience, that doesn't know something about that universe should be slowly introduced to it. A Imperial Guardsmen/-woman would be good for the start. Simply to see, how big most of the battlefields of that Universe are and to slowly introduce the Imperial Cult.
@@Anthyrion agree with that and have cavil be that well deserved big character a primarch or a custodes need to give off that look at the size of this guy he’s perfect vibe but used sparingly
If he played a psychic entity like the emperor then he could play so many characters as he would be representing the emperors spirit in every one. Kind of like Sam becket in the Quantum leap series or a librarian reading the psychic journals of others.
If Henry played the Emperor then it would have to be set from Unification wars to Horus. It would be pointless otherwise for him to be just a skeleton sitting on a throne fighting chaos.
can you imagine if he picked someone going through the trials to become a space marine? I think that would be pretty epic... seeing the transformation and then maybe going to primaris?
I think Cavill is going to have to be Guilliman. Henry Cavill is someone that the 40k community has gone into something of a frenzy around. He's going to have to be a character that won't go away and can rightfully be involved in anything at any time. Perhaps a chapter master or something, but I really think that Cavill is going to have to be a top dog for sake of the series.
@@jetorixjones I do think he would make a perfect emperor, and I thought about that, but the movie bandit made a really good point that the horus heresy is way too big to start with because it's been detailed so well already. It'll have to be proven with something else first.
I think it would be a good idea for the 40K series to be just an entirely new story rather than any specific novel adaptation. None of the 40k novels are a perfect fit for screen adaptation as they were never written with that in mind, and by having a new story it would be possible to combine the various elements which are needed to make a project like this work.
some novels are actually written to act like an introduction, but the problem is there are alot of novels in black library that does this so its kinda more on where to pick the starting point then they can enrich the plot, or extend it
yes, it would IMO go the way of like the the Bequin or Eisenhorn type. i would avoid the emperor at all cost and maybe even a Primarch. but holy hell would it be nice to see the 11 foot monster know as the Lion....
@@muglypunt968 Except Band of Brothers was realistic, and didn't have bullshit normal humans easily defeating much stronger opponents, or Space Marines easily defeating and out thinking other Space Marines, like every book Abnett writes, Saturnine being the worst. I would HATE a Gaunt's Ghosts show, with the passion of a thousand suns.
I hope they start small with a group of guardsmen trying to survive. A band of brothers type story would make the most sense. 40k fans will be drooling over this regardless and the story would be more relatable on a human level thus reaching a wider audience. It keeps the budget on the lower side as well. They need to avoid the whole story being about Caville's character or GW fumbling it...this needs to be a success even if it risks being a smaller one at first. TLDR; They need to slow cook this, think long term.
There is such a thing as too slow. Watching guardsmen would be boring. We've seen the standard soldier motif dozens of times. They'll be wasting everyone's time and wont get any new fans unless the core characters are space marines or at least something equally as fancy. When people think 40k the image of a guardsman is very low on the list. It would be like watching game of thrones from the perspective of some random soldier in one of the armies, boring. 40k is an insane universe. Starting with a space marine IS slow cooking.
I agree with the OP completely. Starting with main characters as Space Marines will quickly over familiarise the audience and normalise how special they are. But TBH I would be happy if they just don’t fuck it up.
@@richardsanchez7791 afraid I don't agree with this logic at all. Often the stories of people trapped within a situation they don't control are the most riveting. That said, my perspectives are not quite "mainstream" so you're probably right about the long-term success according to views. I'm just bored of the hero narrative.
@@richardsanchez7791 not if its a All Guardsmen party style adventure going on special missions for the inquisition to expose the chaos corruption of planetary governors. The remaining elements of a wiped out regiment is assigned to the Ordos Xenos, our main protagonists are an infantry squad including the sergeant an old veteran, nubby a freebooting scumbag poor excuse for a soldier(forgotten his discipline and a dangerous lunatic, personification of the classic 'murder hobo') but is truly an alright lovable fella, twitch the ptsd laden demolitions expert always paranoid and carrying a diverse collection explosive munitions, doc the medic and only reasonable one beside sarge, and tink the maintenance crewman do quests for the professor an inquisition scientist. Several memorable recurring side characters appear alongside our heroes chiefly the tally ho aristocrat 'Rupert' officer who means well but is otherwise a moron. Anything but slow it will be fast tempo wtf is going on type storytelling like the first episodes of Netflix's Witcher with Cavill
my hope is for ciaphas cain, i think its the perfect starting point because of how his story is written, you can just make episodes or seasons which are all self contained stories, you dont have to worry too much about continuity because the stories are all over the place, told from the perspective of a memoir after the fact. You can also just make up whatever the hell you want, use the currently published novels as guide lines or just come up with something completely new, doesnt matter in the least because of how its all written. Cain also has romance and comedy, as well as the grittiness and more grounded aspect of a more normal war story like band of brothers. You can add space marines and more high fantasy aspects in as needed. I think its perfect, henry would be an awesome Cain, but if he wants to hold out for a greater role then thats fine too, i think Cain would be an excellent intro to wh40k for most average people, then he can launch into a grand story about the Horus heresy or Gulliman in the current setting. the best part is you can keep the cain stuff flowing as long as you want, just keep making up new stories, kind of like the james bond movies.
i cant help but be nervous about this... in most everything Henry has been a part of, he was the one single good part while the rest ranged from 'meh' to 'atrociously aweful'
Yeah, I'm hoping because he has a producer title for this, he might have a bit more control than he did on, say, the witcher. I'm cautiously optimistic, I just hope I'm not burned.
@@The_Movie_Banditt’s the logical choice. He’s one of 40k’s best novel characters, the novels introduce most of the setting and factions without going too deep into them, and it’s light hearted enough to pull in the mainstream audience. The worst mistake they can make is going full grimdark right off the bat. That will fail to pull in audiences as a whole, and will fail to get off the ground.
Cavill playing anything less then a primarch would be a huge dissapointment. He's perfectly suited to be cast for the Emperor himself but i doubt we'll be seeing him sit on a throne doing jack shit scene after scene but maybe a crusade emperor.
As a complete outsider, IMHO, I think the way to go is to start at the chronological beginning of the series. I worry that other potential fans will be too confused if they come into this in the middle of the whole history and not stick with it. I really want to see this, and I'm sure thousands of WH fans do too. Starting with the Emperor's crusade to reunite humanity would provide loads of action and politics, etc. enough to hold the interest of almost everyone. Just my opinion...
@@The_Movie_Bandit As someone who started watching lore videos after Henry Cavill's announcement I could be talking out of my ass, but I was thinking it would be cool if it was a mix of MCU and Band of Brothers, where each movie would show a character and faction and the "Avengers" movie would be the Fall of Cadia. For example, the first movie (Iron Man) could be about a Cadian cadet's life and training up to him surviving his first battle and being promoted, which would introduce the universe through the eyes of a human and it would be easy to introduce the different factions through the training of the cadet, and the next movie could either be of a sister of battle or space marines and start introducing chaos elements and so on. That way we could have several movies dedicated to each faction, for example, we could have a trilogy of the Cadian cadet all the way to until he becomes an officer etc.
My opinion is that they should either start with "the beginning" aka Horus heresy OR with just something more grounded, like soldiers of the imperial guard. In fact, I think it might be better to introduce the universe to the mainstream viewer through a fairly normal human like a guardsman than the godlike figures like the Emperor, Space Marines and stuff like that. I see people mention Gaunt's ghosts, and I think that would be a good starting point. Give us people in a familiar situation first and THEN introduce the insanity bit by bit. Also, I would love a well-made adaptation of Gaunt's ghosts. Once established, you can open the universe up to more exotic stuff, like super soldiers, space battles, magic and demons. I just hope they don't start their first movie/series with an endless narration of the entire history of the imperium. All the fans will feel it's too shallow, and all the "unitiated" will be overwhelmed.
They should do an original story. Anything else is going to be overly ambitious. Start small and build up. The Horus Heresy would be a terrible idea imo.
As Dan Abnett has mentioned in his omnibus, he wanted to do space marines but he didn't know how, so he started with something he knew, men of the Imperial Guard. I think there's also enough side stories within one book to make it not just constant battle. I think Gaunt's Ghosts is also pretty well fleshed out for a longer series compared to other entries in the franchise apart from the Horus Heresy story. I think the comes down to what the target audience is, if you want to draw in non-nerds I can see anything other than humans being pretty hard, the Imperial Guard offers lots of options to "ease" the audience into concepts like the warp, chaos, space marines. I also don't think Henry will burn himself by playing Gaunt then someone else at least for me, I can easily seem him playing Ibram Gaunt, Gregor Eisenhorn, Uriel Ventris and then Rogal Dorn :D
@@VIceBox Yes, if they want to make movies/series based on any of the books, my vote is probably for Gaunt's ghosts as well. It's grounded, yet spectactular and a very good intro to the universe. At least I think so.
There are also the Ciaphas Cain novels, those aren't too dark and a bit of humor but only few stories feature Space Marines. Another plus of this is that it has a naturally diverse cast if they are still going for that. By that I mean it has women in it, capable too. Next would be the Vaults of Terra, Inquisition on Terra and Custodes are also included but it goes fairly deep into the lore.
Eisenhorn for sure basically its the best way to give peeks into pretty much everything and everyone and the character itself can show off as well and hes even alive for a long time
I started playing Warhammer when I was 13. That was nearly 30 years ago. Quite how they haven't managed to make a decent film out of the extensive and deeply cool subject matter yet is beyond me. It's actually a cinematic universe that I'd genuinely be interested in following.
I'd like to see them start with an anthology book adaptation. Something like "crucible of war." Would give a wide range of viewpoints in the universe to dip people's toes into it.
I think a series focusing on the Inquisition would be an excellent jumping off point. Introducing the idea of the Imperium, the concept of Chaos and maybe set it on the Hive World of Necromunda. Cavill would work well as an Inquisitor and you could introduce a lot of other elements in his retinue like psykers, assassins, sisters of battle, arbities, and the mechanicus with each character getting a chunk of background to explain that part of the lore. Once you have them root out a Chaos cult in the first series you can use that as a building block to bring in star ships, warp travel, different worlds, larger conflicts and the other races. The thing about an Inquisitor is that he has a lot of reach so you could build the power of Cavill's character as the series progress.
Would love a show that slowly builds the world, while the characters world slowly expands. Would enjoy a long plot series covering perhaps the Badab war.
I think it makes the most sense for him to play a commissar that can get moved around to different warzones, it allows for any faction in 40K to be included, Season 1 could be battling Orks, Season 2 Tyranids. He could see the planetary governor has been corrupted (genestealer or Chaos), has to replace them and bring in Space Marines. Don't do loyalists space marines vs chaos space marines - I remember watching the Warhammer movie and explaining that the guy with skulls on his armour is not a bad guy, he's the Chaplain of the good guys.
Henry said he won't starr in the first series, whatever it may be. He'll just be producing. He's also testing the waters. Edit- I'm thinking, why not try a one season show about the tyranids and their invasion of Tyran and their subsequent introduction to the setting of 40k. Maybe first 8 episodes focus on the humans and make us grow attached to them. Then brutally murder them and consume the planet in the next 2 or 3 episodes 😂 Maybe an epilogue episode of kryptman arriving on Tyran and leaving to warn the ultramarines of the upcoming danger would be sick! Heck, maybe even end it by showing us a glimpse of Macragge?! 😆😆
This is my wish for the show too, as storyline of Ultramarines vs Tyranids would be good way to introduce the world, we would have very simple alien enemy that people would feel similarity to xenomorphs.
in my opinion, the series should start with, the awakening of Guilliman, and he becoming the head of the empire, and using flashbacks to the heresy, crusades and the unification terra, let the audience be puzzled.. let the audience see the emperor in a positive light, let the events of 10k years be a mystery, while giving clues about the heresy and the unification of terra.
My only experience of 40k is walking past the shop in my city centre, but as Henry is behind this I'm pretty certain I'm about to become a die hard fan. I haven't had faith in anything developed since 2019 but I have absolute faith in HC.
honestly the two people id pick to play cain and his assistant would be either Sean bean and daragh o'malley of sharpe fame, or Simon pegg and nick frost/Martin freeman.
@@Arbitertaco Shaun Bean is too old but he's a good pick. Cain is also tall and handsome and physically imposing. Jurgen just needs to have a Yorkshire accent.
Hemsworth is too boyscout to be Ciaphas Cain, as I remember Cain is a coward, who wants to stay off the front lines but keeps getting sent there and winning by his wits. For this reason I'd like to throw Ryan Reynolds name into the hat as Cain. 🤣
@@stuartmacdonald9289 Have you seen extraction? Hemsworth has the comedy and grit chops for cain. Love Reynolds but his comedy is very one dimensional and his accent is too metro sexual.
@@stuartmacdonald9289 Cain really isn't a coward except in his own mind, he's clearly suffering from a monumental case of impostor syndrome that makes him wave off all his genuine acts of selfless courage as either blind luck or acts of purely self interest, Amberly Vale has pretty much seen through his "act" labeling him a rather unreliable narrator on more than one occasion seeing what he actually is, that of a true hero of the Imperium... its what makes him such a likable protagonist.
Seriously! The greenskins are hands down the most entertaining. They have tremendous personality and story, and it's something that I think would really catch casual viewers attention. Yeah yeah, grim dark and all that but bring some humor!
Well dont get your hopes up. Remember this is one of the first goes at this within the cinimatic industry for the warhammer 40k franchise which means they need to bring in a knew casual audience. It would make much more sense for them to ease poeple into it with the more relatable human side of it before blasting them with dem boyz. Just be patient if this does well maybe the market will see fit to fund more cinimatic stuff for warhammer 40k and we will get to see orks in all there glory.
@@manlyman2624 What i want eventaully is a whole movie or series totally focused on orcs. Somthing Epic and obscure like that story of warboss Tuska who wanted to find the biggest things to fight as possible which led him to lead a waaagh right into the eye of terra. Its one of my favorite orc stories that you dont hear often and its a classic.
We're missing the most obvious part. People have said The Emperor, people have said Eisenhorn, people have said Caine and people have said Valdor. It's been right in front of us the whole time. Henry is going to play Sly Marbo.
Horus Heresy would definitely be best experienced as a prequel after certain things have already been established and people are familiar with the universe, it would be much more effective going back and seeing how it all unfolded when you are already attached...when it comes to what should be done first I wouldnt be so worried about Henry and his character he doesnt have to appear in the very first thing thats made, it has to be done well thats the most important part, then he can play a reoccurring character :)
I think doing a Space Hulk sort of starting movie to kind of real in audiances (just like what happened to me back in the day) to the franchise. Then expand it slowly. Cavel could just be a normal Terminator Marine from the Ultra Marines sent to clear out a time-lost Space Hulk that has randomly appeared from the out of the Void. Then towards the end he dies but his Gene-Seed is preserved and thus he gets to play a new character, this giving Cavel an opportunity to play different kinds of characters.
Its not realistic to start there but the fall of cadia would be amazing. There everything there sister,astarte,guard,chaos,knight,necron,the sentiments of duty and sacrifices, all of us that are huge fan and think of the fall of cadia its a huge thing for us. It will bring a lot of new fan to the lore and they will get emotionally involve because its such a huge event. But it would be a multi part epic series or at minimum a trilogy of 3 hours movie.
I think Cain books would be a nice candidate for actor film/series, as they are more grounded and easy to digest, while still showing of the hole universal.
I maintain that Eisenhorn would be the best option for a first foray into live action 40k. Its a relatively grounded series with mystery, action, and drama that requires a minimum amount lore knowledge to start with. Plus you have the character of Bequin, an ordinary imperial citizen Eisenhorn recruits into his retinue because of her rare powers as a Blank, who can be used as an audience insert through whom they can learn about chaos, demons, traitor marines, etc. You also have the two sequel series to continue with if it turns out to be a success.
Start with Eisenhorn, very easy to like and a good way to introduce people into the universe but show space marine snippets here and there. Then branch into the main space marine story lines
Eisenhorn is cool. I just dont see the Regular cinema guest understanding whats Happening.. they just watch a sci fi movie with some aliens and witches.. if you want to introduce new people to 40k, they need to get a picture of the whole situation. Horus heresy is best. The movie can end after book 1. When the shit is hitting the fan. Itll make people curios.
@@Luvulongdon't see why they'd need to... Understand... Much of anything? They need to be entertained, and ideally in a way that us meganerds won't hate. Eisenhorn is, to me, ideal. It's dark, sometimes very dark. It's sci-fi and fantasy rolled up into one. And it is one hell of an intro - let people wonder about shit in the background. Drop hints of a greater universe around. Let people relate to characters. A bunch of more or less gods romping around the universe... Not sure it'll do the job.
@thomaswikstrand8397 you might be right, you might be wrong. I still think horus heresy is the best introduction. At least it was for me. Have looked into one or the other Bolter prn and didnt really know where to start. Then I touched the horus heresy books and heard the Emperors voice
I think 40k reputation on the internet and the fact that Henry is producing it should be enough to pull people to watch even without Henry actually being in the film. That way Gaunt or Eisenhorn would be the best choices cause that would give people a good ground an understanding of the world and help understand the stakes once things begin to scale up to space marines and primarchs levels. Kinda how Marvel started out with Tony dealing with terrorists or Steve Rodgers with Nazis and escalated to a fight over entire universe against Thanos.
I actually think that he should make the series based around a Rogue Trader. This would provide a lot of flexibility in the story which could encompass nearly every facet of the franchise. From the political aspects, to small scale warfare, psykers, chaos and more. It would allow for a lot of ship-in-the-bottle episodes plus an evolving story arch. And, as for Cavil, most Rogue Trader Captains are very powerful individuals, benefiting from the best the Empire has to offer, so he could craft his very own character that would, inevitably, find its way into the annals of 40K.
This may not be the most obvious choice, but it's the right choice. This could be firefly, done right, in 40k. You could encounter eldar, dark eldar, orks, tyranids, space marines, everything. The story won't be ruined by being some sort of all universe type character like a primarch. They'd perpetually be the under dogs. We'd see character development. The story would be far more interesting. Who doesn't want to see a rag-tag crew battling against the odds against a the backdrop of 40k. Who doesn't want that moment like in Mandalorian when Luke arrives to save the day, only this time, it's space marines.
personally i think Henry should play Ciaphas Cain. The Story opinion a better starting point to introduce an audiance to the universe and it is a little bit more lighthearted then other contenders
I think Ciaphas Cain would be a perfect starting point, but I dont see Henry as him at all, he's too big and strong, Ciaphas has to look more... pathetic, in some way?
@@warrickterry4742 a Hero maybe, a human Hero, Henri has the look of a Space marine not a normal human. Anyways, I disagree with the thing about Caín is that he looks like a Hero. The thing about Cain is that he is not a convencional Hero, he doesnt want to be, he's just too smart for his own good, he's skilled and he's also lucky as hell. Hes always falling upwards even when he's triying to work as minimun as possible because even if he wants a simple life he always end up doing the right thing, thats what makes him a sympathetic character and not looking like a Hero.
The only thing I'm worried about is if the show will have the budget. 40K is one of those franchises that really needs a crap ton of CGI and practical affects to do it justice.
There can only be one: Gavriel Loken. Captain Loken is a good man at heart, with an indomitable sense of duty to the Emperor of Mankind over all else, even his own Primarch. I read the first 7 or 8 books of the Horus Heresy and Loken is a beacon of truth in the whole ordeal. He is a complex character with ups and downs, at times full of self-doubt but the guiding light to him is his sense of duty. I just read up on him, spoilering much (so I won't tell you what I just learned), but he is one of several pre-Heresy Astartes who survived and lingered on. His story is full of pain, darkness, doubt and, ultimately, his sense of fairness and duty. In other words, he's kind of Geralt of Rivia in a bigger, even more complex and more technologically advanced world - and as such, perfect for Henry Cavill.
Its going to be Eisenhorn. Its what GW chose (rightly) as the best introduction to the genre for the big screen. It'll be in the contract. Also rejoice! ADB is GW's "Last Wall". That'll also be in the contract. I'm thrilled tbh. Cavill's passion and negative experience with Netflix, Amazon's deep pockets and ADB's experience will bring us something amazing. Edit: You better not f*** it up anyways!! 😷
I had the idea of telling the story of unification war on terra and the conquest of sol. You would have it from multiple perspectives like valdor, malcador thunder warriors and so on. I think that would be awesome
You just listed all the most mythical figures in the universe with no context of why they are so mythical, it has to start from the human pint of view so the impact of space marines and higher are clear to see
The fact that they are effectively handing over a Gaming Franchise to a GAMING NERD ENTHRALLS ME!! A gaming nerd with an obsession with the details. I can not wait. Good on!!
The 3 most likely options i see for any pre-existing W40K series being adapted to TV are Eisenhorn, Gaunt's Ghosts, and Ciaphas Cain. Not only are these three all fairly good starting loints for anyone who isn't already a fan of W40K to start out with, but they relatively more lighthearted and less convoluted than some other books and lore. That, and since all three have few Space Marines, that means less chance of the transhumans stealing the entire show for 'reasosn' Ultramarine style. I personally think the Cain series is most likely, due to how its humorous plots and gradual introductions of greater threats as each tale goes on would lend well to a live action adaptation. And yes, i also personally want to see Henry Cavil as Cain. After seeing how he did Geralt justice in season 1 of the Witcher, i think he could work wonders with the HERO OF THE IMPERIUM too.
even though it would be a nightmare to adapt, my personal bias desperately wants to see ciaphas cain brought to the screen. if they can successfully pull off his inner monologues hed be an amazing character to represent normal humanity in the setting
I honestly think it would be great to start a film/ tv show franchise at the beginning where not much is written, I want a TV show on the rebellion of the men of iron and progress from there
That would be really cool. However, there aren't any models for that time period, so I don't see it likely that they would target this part of the lore.
That’s not much of a 40k show then, is it? That’s just a sci-fi show that happens to be tangentially related to 40k. The tone, stakes, aesthetic and setting would be so wildly different that it would be unrecognizable from the grimdark, gothic, high space-fantasy that we know it as. That being said, it’s great book material.
I could only see three realistic 3 ways of what kind of series it could be. The Ventures of a Rogue Trader & his personal army, the investigations of an Inquisitor & optional his own Warband, or the service of a space marine & his Brothers because it makes the most sense to start off with one of the franchise's most famous parts & characters. However, Personally, I wish after this series, future ones could be made to expand the universe & Lore of the setting, like humans living under Tau rule or the exploits of an Eldar warrior and other stories within the war-torn galaxy.
when introducing big settings like 40k to a new audience, it's vital you don't overwhelm them. don't info dump, don't dive headfirst into the muck of events. take it slow and steady. introduce the main character, have the audience understand who the main character is and how they see the world. then ease the main character into the story. let the audience ride along. feed the details about the setting piece by piece, repeating when necessary, until the audience knows this is the Way of Things here. sometimes, you can leave a little thread of a plot, and let a future work focus on it. the first work should be exploratory. you don't need to save the Imperium on day one. or even a planet. just a city would be fine. maybe the main character stumbles upon a genestealer cult. and the film ends with the marines mopping things up. the contents can start with dark dystopianism; sprinkled with 40k detective work; have some xenos slaughter-- with enough struggle to emphasize how deadly they are-- and a bigger fight or two. escalate things step by step. and emphasize that there is always more machinations to deal with. something like that.
I reckon they're going to go with an original set of characters and story - likely set in "current" Leviathan era 40k or sometime mid-Heresy - which will feature a cameo from a Primarch or other ultra-famous spess mareen so that Ol' Henners gets his pick whilst also not pigeon-holing the production into any specifc pre-existing story line
Cavil should be the Emperor, he could then also be Mortarion, Alpharius, or Conrad Curze as well since they all greatly resembled the Big E's preferred personal appearance.
It'd be cool to see them take the short story approach kinda like the foundation book series by Isaac Asimov. Short stories taking place over vast periods of time that are all tied together. Keep it simple. You don't need to explain the whole world; the coolest part is that there is a massive world there to learn about. The show should get people engaged in the world.
The Tanith First and Only would be the best introduction. The characters mostly come from a fringe world so the Imperium could be explored through their eyes.
The real way to do this would be to treat it like a table top RPG. A few low level characters dealing with local troubles and slowly expanding the scope over time. Then Cavill can be his own character who meets the iconic cast of the setting. No cannon then needs to be broken to keep him on screen for a long time.
If they do decide on live action I really hope they have a team that knows what they're doing do good cgi space marines. Space marine costumes would just be too clunky and wierd unless done for close up face shots or something.
Basically every single attempt at action scenes using space marine costumes I've seen for fan films looks more like a power rangers episode than say, the Astartes fan series
@@The_Movie_Bandit Cain would actually fit his appearance pretty decently. Also it would come down to a character, that is interesting beyond the universe of 40k. He is just a fun to read action hero with a cheeky twist.
@@The_Movie_Bandit For the sake of argument, Cain is one of the mightier named characters in the setting, e.g. one of the best swordsmen in the entire galaxy.
From someone very new to 40k lore, the coolest parts to me were the backstory of the emperor, prtmearchs, and horus heresy. Its going to be hard though, because there is so much cool stuff to cover, how do you even condense it into some digestible for an audience with no knowledge of the IP. I feel like Dune had similar challenges, which is probably why it took decades to for hollywood to throw money at it to attempt to make a quality adaptation. This can be a positive though, because 40k is the most unique untapped sci-fi/fantasy IP. If they get this right, the general audience will love it and they could make a lot of good stuff.
Assuming they want to attract a wider audience, either the Eisenhorn-series, Gaunt's ghosts or perhaps something like Dante's origin story of becoming a spacemarine, would make a good introduction to the 40k universe from a human perspective. Even though most of the main books deal with marines, primarchs and the emperor, these do not make for very relatable characters. The above titles would warrant an 'Andor-like' approach, gradually introducing the machinations of the 40k universe to a general audience. Space Marines should be a unique occurence at first, and the Primarchs or even Emperor should only be seen in passing, as the forces that dictate the universe in the background. Once established, one could then create more in-depth series, since - in contrast to Game of Thrones, Tolkien or Dune - 40k has such a vast library of stories to pull from, it would never really run out of steam for perhaps 50 years worth of series and movies. (assuming they pick the best ones). If they go in head-first though, I'd prefer Garro's story. That's the one I keep going back to.
What gives me most comfort about this project, is that Cavill is a MASSIVE lore nerd, and is well documented on sticking to the lore in adaptions. As EP, he'll have that creative control to ensure the project sticks to the beloved lore of 40K. His star power, audience pull, and lore faithfulness, GeeDub's support, and Amazon's bottomless pockets should make this one hell of a series.
In my humble opinion: There is already enough WH:40k content to know that it’s going to be successful, and for Amazon to go deep in it’s pockets. For the big-time franchise kick-off: You start off with whatever Cavill vehicle he’s chosen, and that’s the flagship show. Setting the tone is important. You can tell how careful he is when speaking about it and how much 40k means to him. Most likely he knows others share that genuine love and will arguably be more on the pulse of what will be successful, than anyone else on the project. Anything that is released afterwards should be done keeping in mind the totality of the story, which is a huge undertaking, so however they do it, I just hope they are meticulous. I’m guessing that as producer, Henry will be able to bring in as many experts and enthusiasts as suit his needs, avoiding “yes men”
Cavill should play me! Primarch of the 1st. Good origin story. Betrayed by his mentor. Guilt ridden legion seeking redemption. Thought lost then a dramatic comeback and at least a worthy equal to “Robot Goolieman” or “Rogal Josh”. Perfect
The major issue with starting Gaunt's Ghosts is the simple fact they are simple humans. When reading the Ghost's Omnibuses in my mind I'm thinking to myself, Chaos Marines were set up as these semi unstoppable war masters that Space Marines had trouble dealing with but the "regular" humans that made up the Ghosts went through Chaos hordes like a hot knife through butter. And is this going to completely ignore everything that leads up to current 40K timeline? Cause The Emperor was around long before he was The Emperor and much of his philosophical and militarism ideals came way before their even was The Empire of Man. And a more major question is, are they making this for everyone or are they making this for the fans of 40K? Because that greatly changes where and when you start and with what story should take place first.
I have always been an outsider to the 40k universe, but suddenly in my 36th year ive managed to fall in love with it. For the moment i am just excited that Henry C will take on this huge task, cant wait for it, and from reading all of your comments..what an huge responsibility - got alot of reading to do for my part 📚
If Games Workshop and Amazon do this right and develop the Warhammer 40 K studios bigger than Marvel and DC, it’ll be so f huge! Henry Cavill at the helm will ensure it stays true to the decades of stories!! This has to be Rated R!! OMG! The movies that’ll come out will be instant blockbusters.
I think its important to ease regular folks into the 40k Universe. I would start the introduction with something familiar... Start a series or Movie based on the Imperial Guard. They have a WW2 feel and are composed of humans so most people can relate to and connect with. Deal with the real day to day problems that a guardsman face, worried about family back home, problems with equipment being available etc. They could be facing off against Tyranids (this would give it a starship troopers feel). Space marines are very rare comparable to the average guardman (its about 1 space marine for every 500 million guardsmen) the guardsmen could be talking about marines and wonder if they really exist or are just a propaganda tool by the empire to sow fear. end of movie or series the guardsmen could be on the verge of losing a major battle and the Space Marines drop in last minute and help turn the tide of the battle. I think something along these lines gives a good introduction to the 40K universe without overwhelming the average person with too many of the strange elements of 40K ( they can be slowly introduced and eased into the franchise)
they’ll definitely believe the marines exist if they’re paying attention to the military coms they’ll hear about the results. But they could appear to be mysterious.
It would be nice if he started with a more human setting like Gaunt. The 40K universe is intense and a lot to take in for people who don't know anything about it. This would give the uninitiated a chance to dip their toes in the water as you slowly expose them to it. You could focus on a cerebral HBO-like plot and slowly reveal incredible things like space marines over time (which would be lore accurate since they're an incredibly rare site to a normal person). This would (like mentioned in the video) save a lot of money and build the foundation to expand future projects.
Gaunt's Ghosts is the best series ever written. Dan Abnett is a god. Would love to see a TV version of it. As for Cavill, I think the only logical option is Guilliman, since that means he can play him from the past AND current events in the wh40k universe.
He will play the leader of his favorite faction in the best storyline. The Captain-General of the Custodes. In the storyline "If the Emperor had a text-to-speech device" Go Kitten!
Im very excited about it, Ive played WH40K since there were only Space marines and spaceOrcs, and the universe has grown enormously since then with some very very good orignal stories. I'd probably start with the class SPACE MARINE, telling the orignal story of 5 Necromundan boys recurited into the Imperial Fists chapter, and their bloody adventures. I believe it was the inspiration for Halo's "Spartans". Henry Cavil could certainly play one of the heroes in the decade spanning adventure and be able to reprise the same role in a future story maybe as a Librarian or a Terminator marine, but he'd need to remain in the Fists.
I'm a lore nerd and I recently got into Rogue Trade thanks to OwlCat. So, of course, I dived into 40k lore (Total War already had me on the fantasy side of things) and boom. I learned our boy Henry is making a Warhammer show. So I started looking up warhammer content and realized.. its all lackluster. ALL OF IT. The games, the shows, any possible movies, there's just so few high-quality products out there. It's actually wild considering how old 40k is. So here's my prediction: Henry is going to make a great product. He's a nerd at heart and he saw the bullshit that went on with The Witcher as a nerd in one of his dream roles. 40K is about to have a resurgence. More games, more shows, more movies. I can see it already.
He can always wait til down the line to act, and focus on the 'showrunner' aspect for now. Would love to see Gaunt's Ghosts and Eisenhorn on the screen!
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Okay so how I hope that it is started. Almost like a noir movie with a cavill voice over explaining the world he is visiting and why he "an inquisitor" is there. Then over the course of the film show, dont tell, the horrors of the imperium such as life on a hive city and the gene stealer cults/chaos cults that he is investigating. Things go from bad to worse as he digs deeper that the cult is ready to enact whatever their final plan is. Now he works with that defence forces the planet has or has a crack team he "requisitioned" to stop that shit. At the very end, I'm mean the last 2 min, whether it's a movie or series he gets a message about some other mystery or major conflict and this is the only time Spacemarine should be either mentioned or shown. End credits.
doing a somewhat retelling of Dawn of War would be a good staring point as its more or less self contained the problem is that Henry could not be any of the named characters but I would be a good starting point
well if its made by or including Hollywood. then its gonna go woke and then broke and then just pass away.....
You didn't consider the Cain books.
The Esienhorn trilogy. First, he would fits the bill for a Eisenhorn like he was born to it. The trilogy is far and away the most human of the 40k books I've read. Eisenhorn fails, Eisenhorn gets hurt, Eisenhorn struggles, loses friends, has a love he can never be with, there is so much drama and concern outside of eternal war and his mission as an Inquisitor that it can fill whole episodes without a shot being fired. If they pick any other start besides Eisenhorn, I think the series won't take off.
Honestly believe a Ciaphas Cain series would be the best to open the 40k universe to the general audience. Love Eisenhorn and Gaunt but I find Cain would be someone that folks would find more relatable. Maybe I'm bias as it was the first series I read that propelled me into 40k lol
That was also my first thought. Eisenhorn and Ravenor are also good candidates.
I love the Ciaphas Cain novels (Black Adder in space is just brilliant as a concept), but the problem I can see with adapting those stories first in the new Amazon deal is that they have a very tongue in cheek, comedic side to them that essentially satirizes the rest of the 40K setting, and I don't think a satire of 40K is the best way to introduce new fans to the setting. You need to play the setting 'straight' (so to speak) first, before you start laughing at the many odd idiosyncrasies of 40K. If you start by laughing at the oddities of 40K first, you run the risk of never being able to achieve any dramatic gravitas in the minds of the audience when it comes time to tell stories that demand it. As an example, if an audience's first introduction to, say, an Inquisitor is the (for an Inquisitor) incredibly laid back, friendly, and companiable Amberly Veil (who is also Cains love interest figure), then it might prove hard to later have to try to row all that back to convey how truly terrifying and uncompromising Inquisitors are supposed to be in the 40K universe. I think a more serious toned series like the extremely cinematic military sci fi stories of Gaunt's Ghosts or the almost cyber-noir detective tales of the Eisenhorn and Ravenor Inquisition novels would both be better starting points to give new viewers a more balanced impression of what the 40K setting is really like in its more usual incarnations.
@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 Naw, if you play 40k straight, then you're just doing fascist propaganda. You don't necessarily need the "overt" comedy elements of Cain, but it at least needs to be over-the-top satire, e.g. "the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable" part of the tagline. At least, just don't portray most of the Imperium as the good guys, but you can get away with making a few of the characters into the "good guys" in the sense of anti-heroes.
@@hewdelfewijfe Playing 40K 'straight' is not automatically fascist propaganda at all, it just avoids overtly comedic manifestations of satire in favour of perhaps a more serious take on the stakes involved. The Imperium would not be depicted as the 'good guys' because, as is so often repeated, there are no good guys in 40K. A story like Gaunts Ghosts can show the brutal horror of war on the frontlines without depicting the Imperium as anything other than the marginally better option compared to the inchoate horrors of Chaos, which is not the same thing as being the 'good guys' at all. Similarly, the Esienhorn and Ravenor books also don't depict the Imperium as a morally unimpeachable society or anything close to it, and Eisenhorn's arc in particular is hardly a tale of some shining white hat hero paladin of righteousness. Eisenhorn is, to put it mildly, a very morally grey character indeed, and the narrative does not shy away from that. All I am saying is that it is a false dichotomy to imply that the only options when adapting 40K are either fascist propaganda or very obviously comedic satire. You can have a more seriously toned 40K story that doesn't shy away from what a messed up hell life in the Imperium really is, and just because the Imperium is a terrible and oppressive society, that doesn't mean its enemies can't be just as bad or worse, nor that genuine acts of courage and even heroism cannot be undertaken by some of those who fight in its defence because the alternative is even darker.
@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 Sounds good
Part of me wants to see the primarchs but I also kinda hope they start out slow. I would like them to show how mythical and legendary marines, custodes and primarchs are within the setting. Most citizens of the Imperium only have first hand experience with the guard when it comes to the Imperiums military. They might tell each other tales of the emperors angels, but most will never encounter a space marine, let alone beings that are even more powerful. Seeing a primarch on screen needs to be impactful.
Completely agree. If the first thing we see is a primarch, then where do you go from there. Slow and steady growth from the humble man to more powerful beings will make these super beings more impactful when we do see them.
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Yes focus on the humans and show how fucked up it all is and why we don't want to like humans in 40k In The first place
My guess would be that it will build up as well. Though if Henry plans on being in it early on this would make it difficult to keep up in the larger narrative if it does grow to include Primarchs as a guardsman or even inquisitor wouldn't be interacting with such important people more than maybe once or twice total in there lifetimes. Where as of course the reverse would be true if they did this and he did play a Primarch, He'd have to be absent for a majority of the early story only really getting a chance to show up occasionally latter on, and that's if it does turn out good enough to keep going that long to begin with. An interesting way they could maybe do both is by growing with on of the primarchs like the lion very very early in there youth, just when there starting to enter adulthood and before the emperor makes contact, they could introduce the Primarch halfway into the show which would give a decent middle ground and if done well I think wouldn't spoil the importance of the character. Of course the farther back into development the less godlike they are and the greater the potential to show there growth as a character. It's also not something that's been done in a super high level of detail to my knowledge so it could work out without having to worry about fitting the narrative of a book series not designed for film.
If I had to take a guess, we'll get something set in the modern 40k setting, but with (probably quick) flashbacks to the heresy, for context and to establish the history of the setting, for example, have a character, possibly Guilliman, approaching the eternity gate, then a quick shot of Sanguinius at the seige holding the line, probably with his face in shadow, since I doubt they'll cast him that early.
As a fan, I think we should support Henry in this endeavor what ever direction he goes.
Absolutely agree 💯
Agreed, but I think he would make a great Leman Russ. Whatever he wants to do is fine by me.
@@geoffallert1921I imagine Cavill as more like Guilleman than Russ, but he played Geralt well, so perhaps he could pull it off. I'd choose someone like Alexander Skarsgård to play Russ.
@@GonzoTehGreat Actually, that's not a bad suggestion. Cheers, mate.
As long as Mark Strong plays a role somewhere
I'd love to see an Eisenhorn perspective. The Inquisitors see more of the Imperium than anyone else. Marines and guardsman have a very narrow perspective and see little of the Imperium other than training ,combat or meditation in a fortress monastery. The Inquisitors get everywher, court intrigue, xenos, chaos, hives, they see it all. I think this would give a wider story than other offices of the Imperium.
Thats not problem since TV shows usualy dont follow one story arc.
I kind of leapt when the video mentions Eisenhorn. It's one of my favorite book series and I could totally see HC as Gregor Eisenhorn. The story progression of Xenos also allows a relatively soft introduction to the grimdark future of the 41st millennium that would be perfect for onboarding viewers new to the lore.
@@pawala7 True, but i think he has his sights set higher tho.Prob a primarch or somesuch. But he would make an excellent Eisenhorn.
That's kinda blowing all your ammunition too early.
Also, they are not emotionally driven beings. They are purely dedicated to their task.
Henry said in an interview, that he wouldn't want to play an inquisitor since there are Primarchs and Valdor.
Eisenhorn would be the best shot for Henry. His is the best story, the most well written, and it would make for a good 4 or 5 seasons done right.
plus they could eventually spin off a ravenor series and end with them clashing in a final series that brings it full circle.
@@spicydeath82 I hate some of the other Amazon shows specifically because they gave too much power to the showrunners. I think Henry would make the most epic Eisenhorn and Ravenor shows. Especially if he brought in Dan Abnett to help. T_T
I need a win here after they butchered my favorite books with the wheel of time show...
Eisenhorn or Cain. I lean more towards Cain because it's a little more light hearted and not so grim dark. I think a Cain series would bring in more of an audience.
@@leehughes3685 Henry as Ciaphas Cain? Damn.... I'd LOVE to see that :D And it has to be said, Cain stories have everthing... Small battles, incursions, epic scale battles as well... He rubbed elbows with basically every race in the 40K universe :D
Henry said in an interview, that he wouldn't want to play an inquisitor since there are Primarchs and Valdor.
Also the Amazon agreement with GW includes the 40k IP but not Heresy, Eisenhorn or Gaunt. I am pretty sure, they have saved those to earn more money in the future.
Watching this video just makes me think they should just do a fully animated series 😂
Funnily enough I was having this exact conversation with a friend about 5 mins ago who said the exact same thing re animated series 🤣
I just hope Henry manages to pull it off no matter what form it takes.
This is what I was expecting from my Warhammer+ subscription.... Sadly it didn't deliver 😭😂
It would look so much better practical- they'd just have to slim down the armor so the actors could move. It wouldn't be 100% lore accurate; but so long as the story and characters are authentic to the established lore, then the fans would embrace it.
@@dizz3890is it worth getting? The little bits of the videos I’ve seen were good, I’m just not sure if it’s worth it to me.
@@alexanderstrickland9036 wait fort the next animation fully out (pariah nexus ) and take 1 month sub if there are only the series that interests you, look at everything and unsubscribe.
if the wargame and painting interest you that another story i think but i can't advice you for that =x
If Cavil picks a character that doesn’t have a model in 40K already there’s a good chance they will release a model for that character based on him. So that might influence his choice.
How cool would that be to get your own model 😁
Like Ciaphas Cain?
Can't Wait. Hope the God it won't be Woke ..
The Heritics are gonna try and make it Rainbow 🌈 love
@@breakfast00club..11do really Think Henry would allow HIS work to become a woke Disney like abomination ? 🤣🤣🤣
Henry already has his own homage by GW. Heinrich Cavillus. google it ;)
Personally, I think it would be smarter to have a show written from a human perspective, e.g. Imperial Guard, Inquisitor or Rogue Trader. It's easier to realise on screen for a start, gives you more scope for storytelling and Space Marines should be used extremely sparingly imo. In the 40K universe, Space Marines are almost mythical for the vast majority of humanity, hardly anyone has seen one. If you resist the urge to make the show about them, then if you do eventually show one it can inspire the level of awe and fear they carry. Otherwise it can just become numbing.
Agreed, and when the Space Marines do show up they need to be overwhelmingly violent. Have them drop in and just brutally slaughter everything that moves and then leave just as suddenly. Make the audience feel like they witnessed a horrific violent crime.
he needs to be something not a imperial guard that would'nt be good!, he wouldn't be able to take on that many enemys or any for the most part. space marine or at least like a well rounded imperial guard that was some high lvl or something and just wanted to drop down or was drop down back to imperial guard. idk he needs to be tough otherwise alot of enemy's will just pick on him and it would ruined the movie.
@@peted2770 Yes. We Fans know, what to expect from a 40k Show. But the audience, that doesn't know something about that universe should be slowly introduced to it. A Imperial Guardsmen/-woman would be good for the start. Simply to see, how big most of the battlefields of that Universe are and to slowly introduce the Imperial Cult.
Absolutely true
@@Anthyrion agree with that and have cavil be that well deserved big character a primarch or a custodes need to give off that look at the size of this guy he’s perfect vibe but used sparingly
If he played a psychic entity like the emperor then he could play so many characters as he would be representing the emperors spirit in every one. Kind of like Sam becket in the Quantum leap series or a librarian reading the psychic journals of others.
If Henry played the Emperor then it would have to be set from Unification wars to Horus. It would be pointless otherwise for him to be just a skeleton sitting on a throne fighting chaos.
can you imagine if he picked someone going through the trials to become a space marine? I think that would be pretty epic... seeing the transformation and then maybe going to primaris?
This man couldn't pull off the biggest IP in the world, this movie is gonna suck balls, Henry is a model, not a ducking actor, wooden acting.
Boring.
I think Cavill is going to have to be Guilliman. Henry Cavill is someone that the 40k community has gone into something of a frenzy around. He's going to have to be a character that won't go away and can rightfully be involved in anything at any time. Perhaps a chapter master or something, but I really think that Cavill is going to have to be a top dog for sake of the series.
If the show timeline is pre-Heresy, I think he’d make a perfect Emperor. But I agree, he has to be a main character that sticks around.
@@jetorixjones I do think he would make a perfect emperor, and I thought about that, but the movie bandit made a really good point that the horus heresy is way too big to start with because it's been detailed so well already. It'll have to be proven with something else first.
Gaunt or Eisenhorn.
Guilliman, Valdor, a chapter master, maybe even the voice of The Emperor! What do you guys think?
Probably a Custodes in the Vaults of Terra Series it focuses on one location and is like a cop shop.
I think it would be a good idea for the 40K series to be just an entirely new story rather than any specific novel adaptation. None of the 40k novels are a perfect fit for screen adaptation as they were never written with that in mind, and by having a new story it would be possible to combine the various elements which are needed to make a project like this work.
Yes that could very well work. I don't disagree.
some novels are actually written to act like an introduction, but the problem is there are alot of novels in black library that does this so its kinda more on where to pick the starting point then they can enrich the plot, or extend it
Gaunts ghosts is literally a band of brothers like for like, if there is any series that could translate perfectly to the screen it's that
yes, it would IMO go the way of like the the Bequin or Eisenhorn type. i would avoid the emperor at all cost and maybe even a Primarch. but holy hell would it be nice to see the 11 foot monster know as the Lion....
@@muglypunt968 Except Band of Brothers was realistic, and didn't have bullshit normal humans easily defeating much stronger opponents, or Space Marines easily defeating and out thinking other Space Marines, like every book Abnett writes, Saturnine being the worst. I would HATE a Gaunt's Ghosts show, with the passion of a thousand suns.
I hope they start small with a group of guardsmen trying to survive. A band of brothers type story would make the most sense. 40k fans will be drooling over this regardless and the story would be more relatable on a human level thus reaching a wider audience. It keeps the budget on the lower side as well. They need to avoid the whole story being about Caville's character or GW fumbling it...this needs to be a success even if it risks being a smaller one at first.
TLDR; They need to slow cook this, think long term.
There is such a thing as too slow. Watching guardsmen would be boring. We've seen the standard soldier motif dozens of times. They'll be wasting everyone's time and wont get any new fans unless the core characters are space marines or at least something equally as fancy. When people think 40k the image of a guardsman is very low on the list.
It would be like watching game of thrones from the perspective of some random soldier in one of the armies, boring.
40k is an insane universe. Starting with a space marine IS slow cooking.
I agree with the OP completely. Starting with main characters as Space Marines will quickly over familiarise the audience and normalise how special they are. But TBH I would be happy if they just don’t fuck it up.
have henery be a selection for becoming a space marine as the entry episode.
@@richardsanchez7791 afraid I don't agree with this logic at all. Often the stories of people trapped within a situation they don't control are the most riveting. That said, my perspectives are not quite "mainstream" so you're probably right about the long-term success according to views. I'm just bored of the hero narrative.
@@richardsanchez7791 not if its a All Guardsmen party style adventure going on special missions for the inquisition to expose the chaos corruption of planetary governors. The remaining elements of a wiped out regiment is assigned to the Ordos Xenos, our main protagonists are an infantry squad including the sergeant an old veteran, nubby a freebooting scumbag poor excuse for a soldier(forgotten his discipline and a dangerous lunatic, personification of the classic 'murder hobo') but is truly an alright lovable fella, twitch the ptsd laden demolitions expert always paranoid and carrying a diverse collection explosive munitions, doc the medic and only reasonable one beside sarge, and tink the maintenance crewman do quests for the professor an inquisition scientist. Several memorable recurring side characters appear alongside our heroes chiefly the tally ho aristocrat 'Rupert' officer who means well but is otherwise a moron.
Anything but slow it will be fast tempo wtf is going on type storytelling like the first episodes of Netflix's Witcher with Cavill
my hope is for ciaphas cain, i think its the perfect starting point because of how his story is written, you can just make episodes or seasons which are all self contained stories, you dont have to worry too much about continuity because the stories are all over the place, told from the perspective of a memoir after the fact. You can also just make up whatever the hell you want, use the currently published novels as guide lines or just come up with something completely new, doesnt matter in the least because of how its all written. Cain also has romance and comedy, as well as the grittiness and more grounded aspect of a more normal war story like band of brothers. You can add space marines and more high fantasy aspects in as needed. I think its perfect, henry would be an awesome Cain, but if he wants to hold out for a greater role then thats fine too, i think Cain would be an excellent intro to wh40k for most average people, then he can launch into a grand story about the Horus heresy or Gulliman in the current setting. the best part is you can keep the cain stuff flowing as long as you want, just keep making up new stories, kind of like the james bond movies.
Same as me. Cain is fun. He has very different opponents through the whole series. That would be great!
It'd be fun if Henry did the Ragnar series from the Space Wolves. And show what it is to become a space marine, specifically a Spacewolf!
i cant help but be nervous about this... in most everything Henry has been a part of, he was the one single good part while the rest ranged from 'meh' to 'atrociously aweful'
Yeah, I'm hoping because he has a producer title for this, he might have a bit more control than he did on, say, the witcher. I'm cautiously optimistic, I just hope I'm not burned.
@@The_Movie_Banditafter the Witcher issue and his adoration of Warhammer (plus GW being INCREDIBLY protective of their IP) I think it's all but given
@@Nomadith I hope so.
@@The_Movie_Bandit You really love commas man
@@Nomadith boy i hope so.l
Ciaphus Cain. Not only would Cavill be an excellent Cain, but it is the undisputed best introduction to the 40k setting for the mainstream audience.
The comments section certainly like Cain 😁
@@The_Movie_Banditt’s the logical choice. He’s one of 40k’s best novel characters, the novels introduce most of the setting and factions without going too deep into them, and it’s light hearted enough to pull in the mainstream audience. The worst mistake they can make is going full grimdark right off the bat. That will fail to pull in audiences as a whole, and will fail to get off the ground.
Cavill playing anything less then a primarch would be a huge dissapointment. He's perfectly suited to be cast for the Emperor himself but i doubt we'll be seeing him sit on a throne doing jack shit scene after scene but maybe a crusade emperor.
Ciaphus Cain reads like a Joss Whedon take on 40k, which is fine and enjoyable but would make zero sense to anybody except lore fans.
As a relative newbie to 40k I'm beyond excited for this.
sometimes i wish i could delay the time for when i found out about 40k. The waiting for all this new stuff is unbearable lmao
Whatever happens, I trust Henry to stay loyal to the lore.
I have a feeling he might cut some of the stupid parts if it means keeping a better story. Such as Calgar beating an Avatar of Khaine.
@@louisnall3102 did that really happen?
@@helloyes2288 yes.
As a complete outsider, IMHO, I think the way to go is to start at the chronological beginning of the series. I worry that other potential fans will be too confused if they come into this in the middle of the whole history and not stick with it. I really want to see this, and I'm sure thousands of WH fans do too. Starting with the Emperor's crusade to reunite humanity would provide loads of action and politics, etc. enough to hold the interest of almost everyone. Just my opinion...
It is interesting to hear the opinion of someone who doesn't know the setting.
@@The_Movie_Bandit As someone who started watching lore videos after Henry Cavill's announcement I could be talking out of my ass, but I was thinking it would be cool if it was a mix of MCU and Band of Brothers, where each movie would show a character and faction and the "Avengers" movie would be the Fall of Cadia. For example, the first movie (Iron Man) could be about a Cadian cadet's life and training up to him surviving his first battle and being promoted, which would introduce the universe through the eyes of a human and it would be easy to introduce the different factions through the training of the cadet, and the next movie could either be of a sister of battle or space marines and start introducing chaos elements and so on. That way we could have several movies dedicated to each faction, for example, we could have a trilogy of the Cadian cadet all the way to until he becomes an officer etc.
My opinion is that they should either start with "the beginning" aka Horus heresy OR with just something more grounded, like soldiers of the imperial guard.
In fact, I think it might be better to introduce the universe to the mainstream viewer through a fairly normal human like a guardsman than the godlike figures like the Emperor, Space Marines and stuff like that.
I see people mention Gaunt's ghosts, and I think that would be a good starting point. Give us people in a familiar situation first and THEN introduce the insanity bit by bit. Also, I would love a well-made adaptation of Gaunt's ghosts.
Once established, you can open the universe up to more exotic stuff, like super soldiers, space battles, magic and demons.
I just hope they don't start their first movie/series with an endless narration of the entire history of the imperium. All the fans will feel it's too shallow, and all the "unitiated" will be overwhelmed.
They should do an original story. Anything else is going to be overly ambitious. Start small and build up.
The Horus Heresy would be a terrible idea imo.
@@nutyyyy I agree. I just mentioned it as I see others talk about it as a possibility. I think they should start small, like you say.
As Dan Abnett has mentioned in his omnibus, he wanted to do space marines but he didn't know how, so he started with something he knew, men of the Imperial Guard.
I think there's also enough side stories within one book to make it not just constant battle. I think Gaunt's Ghosts is also pretty well fleshed out for a longer series compared to other entries in the franchise apart from the Horus Heresy story.
I think the comes down to what the target audience is, if you want to draw in non-nerds I can see anything other than humans being pretty hard, the Imperial Guard offers lots of options to "ease" the audience into concepts like the warp, chaos, space marines.
I also don't think Henry will burn himself by playing Gaunt then someone else at least for me, I can easily seem him playing Ibram Gaunt, Gregor Eisenhorn, Uriel Ventris and then Rogal Dorn :D
@@VIceBox Yes, if they want to make movies/series based on any of the books, my vote is probably for Gaunt's ghosts as well.
It's grounded, yet spectactular and a very good intro to the universe. At least I think so.
Why no love for Ciaphas Cain? A general audience would definitely relate to the old HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!!!
There are also the Ciaphas Cain novels, those aren't too dark and a bit of humor but only few stories feature Space Marines.
Another plus of this is that it has a naturally diverse cast if they are still going for that. By that I mean it has women in it, capable too.
Next would be the Vaults of Terra, Inquisition on Terra and Custodes are also included but it goes fairly deep into the lore.
he is going to find a way to get custodies in there for sure
Eisenhorn for sure basically its the best way to give peeks into pretty much everything and everyone and the character itself can show off as well and hes even alive for a long time
I don't know much about Warhammer, but I'll watch it as I think a passionate Henry calville is like a top 5 actor of all time
I started playing Warhammer when I was 13. That was nearly 30 years ago. Quite how they haven't managed to make a decent film out of the extensive and deeply cool subject matter yet is beyond me. It's actually a cinematic universe that I'd genuinely be interested in following.
I'd like to see them start with an anthology book adaptation. Something like "crucible of war."
Would give a wide range of viewpoints in the universe to dip people's toes into it.
I think a series focusing on the Inquisition would be an excellent jumping off point. Introducing the idea of the Imperium, the concept of Chaos and maybe set it on the Hive World of Necromunda. Cavill would work well as an Inquisitor and you could introduce a lot of other elements in his retinue like psykers, assassins, sisters of battle, arbities, and the mechanicus with each character getting a chunk of background to explain that part of the lore.
Once you have them root out a Chaos cult in the first series you can use that as a building block to bring in star ships, warp travel, different worlds, larger conflicts and the other races. The thing about an Inquisitor is that he has a lot of reach so you could build the power of Cavill's character as the series progress.
Psykers, as someone who is a noob, interest me the most lol.
@@miket8951 they are people with physic abilities, but are unfortunately more easy to corrupt by the forces of chaos.
Gotta admire Henry Cavill. Puts his talent where his heart is and damn the risk. Not a hardcore 40K fan and Im in...Go Henry! We are with you
Yeah it is a big endeavour and a tricky one to do, in my opinion.
@@The_Movie_Bandit I would Agree Sir...Makes you wonder what Sony gonna do with Destiny. Another difficult one...
@jondoe3812 I did not know Sony had the rights to destiny...oh boy 🤣😅
Would love a show that slowly builds the world, while the characters world slowly expands. Would enjoy a long plot series covering perhaps the Badab war.
I think it makes the most sense for him to play a commissar that can get moved around to different warzones, it allows for any faction in 40K to be included, Season 1 could be battling Orks, Season 2 Tyranids. He could see the planetary governor has been corrupted (genestealer or Chaos), has to replace them and bring in Space Marines.
Don't do loyalists space marines vs chaos space marines - I remember watching the Warhammer movie and explaining that the guy with skulls on his armour is not a bad guy, he's the Chaplain of the good guys.
Henry said he won't starr in the first series, whatever it may be. He'll just be producing. He's also testing the waters.
Edit- I'm thinking, why not try a one season show about the tyranids and their invasion of Tyran and their subsequent introduction to the setting of 40k.
Maybe first 8 episodes focus on the humans and make us grow attached to them. Then brutally murder them and consume the planet in the next 2 or 3 episodes 😂
Maybe an epilogue episode of kryptman arriving on Tyran and leaving to warn the ultramarines of the upcoming danger would be sick! Heck, maybe even end it by showing us a glimpse of Macragge?! 😆😆
I think that sounds wise.
This is my wish for the show too, as storyline of Ultramarines vs Tyranids would be good way to introduce the world, we would have very simple alien enemy that people would feel similarity to xenomorphs.
I would love to see Eisenhorn made into a series.
But whatever Henry does I'm sure it will be EPIC !
finally someone else who wants to see Eisenhorn.
40k's Jack Bauer
in my opinion, the series should start with, the awakening of Guilliman, and he becoming the head of the empire, and using flashbacks to the heresy, crusades and the unification terra, let the audience be puzzled..
let the audience see the emperor in a positive light, let the events of 10k years be a mystery, while giving clues about the heresy and the unification of terra.
My only experience of 40k is walking past the shop in my city centre, but as Henry is behind this I'm pretty certain I'm about to become a die hard fan. I haven't had faith in anything developed since 2019 but I have absolute faith in HC.
Ciphas Cain has it all. Dark comedy, romance, ultra violence, adventure and espionage. Chris Hemsworth would be my pick.
honestly the two people id pick to play cain and his assistant would be either Sean bean and daragh o'malley of sharpe fame, or Simon pegg and nick frost/Martin freeman.
@@Arbitertaco Shaun Bean is too old but he's a good pick. Cain is also tall and handsome and physically imposing. Jurgen just needs to have a Yorkshire accent.
Hemsworth is too boyscout to be Ciaphas Cain, as I remember Cain is a coward, who wants to stay off the front lines but keeps getting sent there and winning by his wits. For this reason I'd like to throw Ryan Reynolds name into the hat as Cain. 🤣
@@stuartmacdonald9289 Have you seen extraction? Hemsworth has the comedy and grit chops for cain. Love Reynolds but his comedy is very one dimensional and his accent is too metro sexual.
@@stuartmacdonald9289 Cain really isn't a coward except in his own mind, he's clearly suffering from a monumental case of impostor syndrome that makes him wave off all his genuine acts of selfless courage as either blind luck or acts of purely self interest, Amberly Vale has pretty much seen through his "act" labeling him a rather unreliable narrator on more than one occasion seeing what he actually is, that of a true hero of the Imperium...
its what makes him such a likable protagonist.
I really hope we will be seeing orks in this show too and not just humans and chaos.
Seriously! The greenskins are hands down the most entertaining. They have tremendous personality and story, and it's something that I think would really catch casual viewers attention. Yeah yeah, grim dark and all that but bring some humor!
Well dont get your hopes up. Remember this is one of the first goes at this within the cinimatic industry for the warhammer 40k franchise which means they need to bring in a knew casual audience. It would make much more sense for them to ease poeple into it with the more relatable human side of it before blasting them with dem boyz. Just be patient if this does well maybe the market will see fit to fund more cinimatic stuff for warhammer 40k and we will get to see orks in all there glory.
You remember those two redcoats who made repeating cameos in Pirates of the Caribbean, they should do that but with two ork boyz
@@manlyman2624 What i want eventaully is a whole movie or series totally focused on orcs. Somthing Epic and obscure like that story of warboss Tuska who wanted to find the biggest things to fight as possible which led him to lead a waaagh right into the eye of terra. Its one of my favorite orc stories that you dont hear often and its a classic.
Not just the orkz, but Eldar and Tau in their full variations and casts.
We're missing the most obvious part. People have said The Emperor, people have said Eisenhorn, people have said Caine and people have said Valdor. It's been right in front of us the whole time. Henry is going to play Sly Marbo.
Horus Heresy would definitely be best experienced as a prequel after certain things have already been established and people are familiar with the universe, it would be much more effective going back and seeing how it all unfolded when you are already attached...when it comes to what should be done first I wouldnt be so worried about Henry and his character he doesnt have to appear in the very first thing thats made, it has to be done well thats the most important part, then he can play a reoccurring character :)
I think doing a Space Hulk sort of starting movie to kind of real in audiances (just like what happened to me back in the day) to the franchise. Then expand it slowly. Cavel could just be a normal Terminator Marine from the Ultra Marines sent to clear out a time-lost Space Hulk that has randomly appeared from the out of the Void. Then towards the end he dies but his Gene-Seed is preserved and thus he gets to play a new character, this giving Cavel an opportunity to play different kinds of characters.
Its not realistic to start there but the fall of cadia would be amazing.
There everything there sister,astarte,guard,chaos,knight,necron,the sentiments of duty and sacrifices, all of us that are huge fan and think of the fall of cadia its a huge thing for us. It will bring a lot of new fan to the lore and they will get emotionally involve because its such a huge event. But it would be a multi part epic series or at minimum a trilogy of 3 hours movie.
Completely agree, the fall of Cadia would be epic. 😁
I mean the problem is it won't be amazing if it looks like ass.
I think Cain books would be a nice candidate for actor film/series, as they are more grounded and easy to digest, while still showing of the hole universal.
I'd love to see the Ciaphas Cain series as a show.
Gaunt's Ghosts was my introduction. I would love to see it brought to the screen. Ciaphas Cain could also be good :)
I maintain that Eisenhorn would be the best option for a first foray into live action 40k. Its a relatively grounded series with mystery, action, and drama that requires a minimum amount lore knowledge to start with. Plus you have the character of Bequin, an ordinary imperial citizen Eisenhorn recruits into his retinue because of her rare powers as a Blank, who can be used as an audience insert through whom they can learn about chaos, demons, traitor marines, etc. You also have the two sequel series to continue with if it turns out to be a success.
Start with Eisenhorn, very easy to like and a good way to introduce people into the universe but show space marine snippets here and there. Then branch into the main space marine story lines
Yeah that would be a good route to market imo.
Plus you could make Bequin series where you could introduce the more powerfull shit like
spoilers:
Valdor or Omegob
Eisenhorn is cool. I just dont see the Regular cinema guest understanding whats Happening.. they just watch a sci fi movie with some aliens and witches.. if you want to introduce new people to 40k, they need to get a picture of the whole situation. Horus heresy is best. The movie can end after book 1. When the shit is hitting the fan. Itll make people curios.
@@Luvulongdon't see why they'd need to... Understand... Much of anything? They need to be entertained, and ideally in a way that us meganerds won't hate.
Eisenhorn is, to me, ideal. It's dark, sometimes very dark. It's sci-fi and fantasy rolled up into one. And it is one hell of an intro - let people wonder about shit in the background. Drop hints of a greater universe around. Let people relate to characters.
A bunch of more or less gods romping around the universe... Not sure it'll do the job.
@thomaswikstrand8397 you might be right, you might be wrong. I still think horus heresy is the best introduction. At least it was for me. Have looked into one or the other Bolter prn and didnt really know where to start. Then I touched the horus heresy books and heard the Emperors voice
The best starting point is Guilliman’s awakening.
It introduces the space marines and gives a good idea of what the setting is for beginners.
That would be my dream 😁
No. That is 41k. 40k is eternally set in 999.M41 during the 13th Black Crusade.
@@BonzoDrummer but that happens in the same time frame, Guiliman wakes up and starts indomitus.
I think 40k reputation on the internet and the fact that Henry is producing it should be enough to pull people to watch even without Henry actually being in the film. That way Gaunt or Eisenhorn would be the best choices cause that would give people a good ground an understanding of the world and help understand the stakes once things begin to scale up to space marines and primarchs levels. Kinda how Marvel started out with Tony dealing with terrorists or Steve Rodgers with Nazis and escalated to a fight over entire universe against Thanos.
That Homer gloveslapping action made me laugh so much my family ask if I was ok
That Homer scene is great 🤣
Oh Cavill as Eisenhorn… that would be an absolutely perfect combination.
I actually think that he should make the series based around a Rogue Trader. This would provide a lot of flexibility in the story which could encompass nearly every facet of the franchise. From the political aspects, to small scale warfare, psykers, chaos and more. It would allow for a lot of ship-in-the-bottle episodes plus an evolving story arch. And, as for Cavil, most Rogue Trader Captains are very powerful individuals, benefiting from the best the Empire has to offer, so he could craft his very own character that would, inevitably, find its way into the annals of 40K.
This may not be the most obvious choice, but it's the right choice. This could be firefly, done right, in 40k. You could encounter eldar, dark eldar, orks, tyranids, space marines, everything. The story won't be ruined by being some sort of all universe type character like a primarch. They'd perpetually be the under dogs. We'd see character development. The story would be far more interesting. Who doesn't want to see a rag-tag crew battling against the odds against a the backdrop of 40k.
Who doesn't want that moment like in Mandalorian when Luke arrives to save the day, only this time, it's space marines.
personally i think Henry should play Ciaphas Cain. The Story opinion a better starting point to introduce an audiance to the universe and it is a little bit more lighthearted then other contenders
I think Ciaphas Cain would be a perfect starting point, but I dont see Henry as him at all, he's too big and strong, Ciaphas has to look more... pathetic, in some way?
I respectfully disagree. The thing about Cain is that he looks like a hero.
@@warrickterry4742 a Hero maybe, a human Hero, Henri has the look of a Space marine not a normal human.
Anyways, I disagree with the thing about Caín is that he looks like a Hero. The thing about Cain is that he is not a convencional Hero, he doesnt want to be, he's just too smart for his own good, he's skilled and he's also lucky as hell. Hes always falling upwards even when he's triying to work as minimun as possible because even if he wants a simple life he always end up doing the right thing, thats what makes him a sympathetic character and not looking like a Hero.
The only thing I'm worried about is if the show will have the budget. 40K is one of those franchises that really needs a crap ton of CGI and practical affects to do it justice.
Agreed. If it doesn't have the budget then they need to choose the story very carefully.
Totally on point! I think they will limit it to six episodes and few battle scenes.
Or you could just make it animated like Arcane or Studio Ghibli movies.
@@gokbay3057 that would be kwl too
There can only be one:
Gavriel Loken.
Captain Loken is a good man at heart, with an indomitable sense of duty to the Emperor of Mankind over all else, even his own Primarch. I read the first 7 or 8 books of the Horus Heresy and Loken is a beacon of truth in the whole ordeal. He is a complex character with ups and downs, at times full of self-doubt but the guiding light to him is his sense of duty. I just read up on him, spoilering much (so I won't tell you what I just learned), but he is one of several pre-Heresy Astartes who survived and lingered on. His story is full of pain, darkness, doubt and, ultimately, his sense of fairness and duty.
In other words, he's kind of Geralt of Rivia in a bigger, even more complex and more technologically advanced world - and as such, perfect for Henry Cavill.
Its going to be Eisenhorn. Its what GW chose (rightly) as the best introduction to the genre for the big screen.
It'll be in the contract.
Also rejoice! ADB is GW's "Last Wall". That'll also be in the contract.
I'm thrilled tbh. Cavill's passion and negative experience with Netflix, Amazon's deep pockets and ADB's experience will bring us something amazing.
Edit: You better not f*** it up anyways!! 😷
Ciaphas Cain or Eisenhorn anything else has a scope that is way too big.
I'd personally like to see him as Ciaphas Cain. He would play him *so* well!
I had the idea of telling the story of unification war on terra and the conquest of sol. You would have it from multiple perspectives like valdor, malcador thunder warriors and so on. I think that would be awesome
I would love love them to do that. I just don't think it will be done as there are no models for it.
You just listed all the most mythical figures in the universe with no context of why they are so mythical, it has to start from the human pint of view so the impact of space marines and higher are clear to see
Gaunt's Ghosts would be my preference. It's 40k Sharpe, would be perfect TV!
That would be perfect. I would even take a reboot of sharpe too 🤣🤣
The fact that they are effectively handing over a Gaming Franchise to a GAMING NERD ENTHRALLS ME!! A gaming nerd with an obsession with the details. I can not wait. Good on!!
The 3 most likely options i see for any pre-existing W40K series being adapted to TV are Eisenhorn, Gaunt's Ghosts, and Ciaphas Cain. Not only are these three all fairly good starting loints for anyone who isn't already a fan of W40K to start out with, but they relatively more lighthearted and less convoluted than some other books and lore. That, and since all three have few Space Marines, that means less chance of the transhumans stealing the entire show for 'reasosn' Ultramarine style. I personally think the Cain series is most likely, due to how its humorous plots and gradual introductions of greater threats as each tale goes on would lend well to a live action adaptation.
And yes, i also personally want to see Henry Cavil as Cain. After seeing how he did Geralt justice in season 1 of the Witcher, i think he could work wonders with the HERO OF THE IMPERIUM too.
Yeah, I agree re focusing on humans over marines, especially at first.
even though it would be a nightmare to adapt, my personal bias desperately wants to see ciaphas cain brought to the screen. if they can successfully pull off his inner monologues hed be an amazing character to represent normal humanity in the setting
Certainly seems popular in the comments 😁
I honestly think it would be great to start a film/ tv show franchise at the beginning where not much is written, I want a TV show on the rebellion of the men of iron and progress from there
That would be really cool. However, there aren't any models for that time period, so I don't see it likely that they would target this part of the lore.
That's the worst idea to start a series. That's an idea for a prequal for the Great crusade.
That’s not much of a 40k show then, is it? That’s just a sci-fi show that happens to be tangentially related to 40k. The tone, stakes, aesthetic and setting would be so wildly different that it would be unrecognizable from the grimdark, gothic, high space-fantasy that we know it as. That being said, it’s great book material.
I could only see three realistic 3 ways of what kind of series it could be. The Ventures of a Rogue Trader & his personal army, the investigations of an Inquisitor & optional his own Warband, or the service of a space marine & his Brothers because it makes the most sense to start off with one of the franchise's most famous parts & characters.
However, Personally, I wish after this series, future ones could be made to expand the universe & Lore of the setting, like humans living under Tau rule or the exploits of an Eldar warrior and other stories within the war-torn galaxy.
when introducing big settings like 40k to a new audience, it's vital you don't overwhelm them. don't info dump, don't dive headfirst into the muck of events.
take it slow and steady. introduce the main character, have the audience understand who the main character is and how they see the world. then ease the main character into the story. let the audience ride along. feed the details about the setting piece by piece, repeating when necessary, until the audience knows this is the Way of Things here. sometimes, you can leave a little thread of a plot, and let a future work focus on it.
the first work should be exploratory. you don't need to save the Imperium on day one. or even a planet. just a city would be fine. maybe the main character stumbles upon a genestealer cult. and the film ends with the marines mopping things up. the contents can start with dark dystopianism; sprinkled with 40k detective work; have some xenos slaughter-- with enough struggle to emphasize how deadly they are-- and a bigger fight or two. escalate things step by step.
and emphasize that there is always more machinations to deal with. something like that.
I reckon they're going to go with an original set of characters and story - likely set in "current" Leviathan era 40k or sometime mid-Heresy - which will feature a cameo from a Primarch or other ultra-famous spess mareen so that Ol' Henners gets his pick whilst also not pigeon-holing the production into any specifc pre-existing story line
Cavil should be the Emperor, he could then also be Mortarion, Alpharius, or Conrad Curze as well since they all greatly resembled the Big E's preferred personal appearance.
🤣🤣🤣 Great idea. It would be like an Eddie Murphy movie
Him playing Alparius would allow him to play a lot of different roles.
It'd be cool to see them take the short story approach kinda like the foundation book series by Isaac Asimov. Short stories taking place over vast periods of time that are all tied together. Keep it simple. You don't need to explain the whole world; the coolest part is that there is a massive world there to learn about. The show should get people engaged in the world.
Oh the short story thing is a great idea.
The Tanith First and Only would be the best introduction. The characters mostly come from a fringe world so the Imperium could be explored through their eyes.
The real way to do this would be to treat it like a table top RPG. A few low level characters dealing with local troubles and slowly expanding the scope over time. Then Cavill can be his own character who meets the iconic cast of the setting. No cannon then needs to be broken to keep him on screen for a long time.
If they do decide on live action I really hope they have a team that knows what they're doing do good cgi space marines. Space marine costumes would just be too clunky and wierd unless done for close up face shots or something.
Basically every single attempt at action scenes using space marine costumes I've seen for fan films looks more like a power rangers episode than say, the Astartes fan series
Yeah if theu do spacemarines then they need a good cgi and practical effects budget. They can't afford to cheap out on marines imo. It's too integral
@@pittraider1221 I think the answer is between practical effects and cgi or at least a mixture of both.
I'd be going for Caiaphus Cain...especially as Eisenhorn is Mark Strong (really)
It would be both wonderful and hilarious if he chose to play ciaphus cain
Yeah, I did think about Cain. But I think he wants to be a primarch level character. Definable think a spin of series of Cain would be really cool
@@The_Movie_Bandit Cain would actually fit his appearance pretty decently. Also it would come down to a character, that is interesting beyond the universe of 40k.
He is just a fun to read action hero with a cheeky twist.
@@The_Movie_Bandit For the sake of argument, Cain is one of the mightier named characters in the setting, e.g. one of the best swordsmen in the entire galaxy.
From someone very new to 40k lore, the coolest parts to me were the backstory of the emperor, prtmearchs, and horus heresy. Its going to be hard though, because there is so much cool stuff to cover, how do you even condense it into some digestible for an audience with no knowledge of the IP. I feel like Dune had similar challenges, which is probably why it took decades to for hollywood to throw money at it to attempt to make a quality adaptation. This can be a positive though, because 40k is the most unique untapped sci-fi/fantasy IP. If they get this right, the general audience will love it and they could make a lot of good stuff.
I really hope they start with horus. i know it would be crazy expensive but the storyline is so amazing.
also i would love cavil to play lemann russ. but im a massive space wolf fanboy.
Eisenhorn trilogy. Build from there. It got me truly hooked, & I'm not alone in that regard.
Thank you for this video because I had no idea what 40K was about or how it got started and your video is a very good synopsis of it.
honestly id like either eisenhorn, sisters, or a mechanicus or mechanicus involed shpw/
It would never happen but Henry playing Gaunt in the Gaunts Ghosts storyline would be epic.
Eisenhorn. Greatest introduction into 40k.
Assuming they want to attract a wider audience, either the Eisenhorn-series, Gaunt's ghosts or perhaps something like Dante's origin story of becoming a spacemarine, would make a good introduction to the 40k universe from a human perspective. Even though most of the main books deal with marines, primarchs and the emperor, these do not make for very relatable characters. The above titles would warrant an 'Andor-like' approach, gradually introducing the machinations of the 40k universe to a general audience. Space Marines should be a unique occurence at first, and the Primarchs or even Emperor should only be seen in passing, as the forces that dictate the universe in the background. Once established, one could then create more in-depth series, since - in contrast to Game of Thrones, Tolkien or Dune - 40k has such a vast library of stories to pull from, it would never really run out of steam for perhaps 50 years worth of series and movies. (assuming they pick the best ones). If they go in head-first though, I'd prefer Garro's story. That's the one I keep going back to.
What gives me most comfort about this project, is that Cavill is a MASSIVE lore nerd, and is well documented on sticking to the lore in adaptions. As EP, he'll have that creative control to ensure the project sticks to the beloved lore of 40K. His star power, audience pull, and lore faithfulness, GeeDub's support, and Amazon's bottomless pockets should make this one hell of a series.
In my humble opinion: There is already enough WH:40k content to know that it’s going to be successful, and for Amazon to go deep in it’s pockets.
For the big-time franchise kick-off:
You start off with whatever Cavill vehicle he’s chosen, and that’s the flagship show.
Setting the tone is important.
You can tell how careful he is when speaking about it and how much 40k means to him. Most likely he knows others share that genuine love and will arguably be more on the pulse of what will be successful, than anyone else on the project.
Anything that is released afterwards should be done keeping in mind the totality of the story, which is a huge undertaking, so however they do it, I just hope they are meticulous.
I’m guessing that as producer, Henry will be able to bring in as many experts and enthusiasts as suit his needs, avoiding “yes men”
Cavill should play me! Primarch of the 1st. Good origin story. Betrayed by his mentor. Guilt ridden legion seeking redemption. Thought lost then a dramatic comeback and at least a worthy equal to “Robot Goolieman” or “Rogal Josh”. Perfect
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The major issue with starting Gaunt's Ghosts is the simple fact they are simple humans. When reading the Ghost's Omnibuses in my mind I'm thinking to myself, Chaos Marines were set up as these semi unstoppable war masters that Space Marines had trouble dealing with but the "regular" humans that made up the Ghosts went through Chaos hordes like a hot knife through butter. And is this going to completely ignore everything that leads up to current 40K timeline? Cause The Emperor was around long before he was The Emperor and much of his philosophical and militarism ideals came way before their even was The Empire of Man. And a more major question is, are they making this for everyone or are they making this for the fans of 40K? Because that greatly changes where and when you start and with what story should take place first.
I have always been an outsider to the 40k universe, but suddenly in my 36th year ive managed to fall in love with it. For the moment i am just excited that Henry C will take on this huge task, cant wait for it, and from reading all of your comments..what an huge responsibility - got alot of reading to do for my part 📚
been needing a movie from Warhammer for several decades now come on Henry you can give us one...
If Games Workshop and Amazon do this right and develop the Warhammer 40 K studios bigger than Marvel and DC, it’ll be so f huge! Henry Cavill at the helm will ensure it stays true to the decades of stories!! This has to be Rated R!! OMG! The movies that’ll come out will be instant blockbusters.
Dan Abnett + Henry Cavill + on an original concept = money
I think Henry would do an excellent Garviel Loken. Either way I'm super stoked.
I think its important to ease regular folks into the 40k Universe.
I would start the introduction with something familiar...
Start a series or Movie based on the Imperial Guard. They have a WW2 feel and are composed of humans so most people can relate to and connect with.
Deal with the real day to day problems that a guardsman face, worried about family back home, problems with equipment being available etc.
They could be facing off against Tyranids (this would give it a starship troopers feel).
Space marines are very rare comparable to the average guardman (its about 1 space marine for every 500 million guardsmen)
the guardsmen could be talking about marines and wonder if they really exist or are just a propaganda tool by the empire to sow fear.
end of movie or series the guardsmen could be on the verge of losing a major battle and the Space Marines drop in last minute and help turn the tide of the battle.
I think something along these lines gives a good introduction to the 40K universe without overwhelming the average person with too many of the strange elements of 40K ( they can be slowly introduced and eased into the franchise)
they’ll definitely believe the marines exist if they’re paying attention to the military coms they’ll hear about the results. But they could appear to be mysterious.
It would be nice if he started with a more human setting like Gaunt. The 40K universe is intense and a lot to take in for people who don't know anything about it. This would give the uninitiated a chance to dip their toes in the water as you slowly expose them to it. You could focus on a cerebral HBO-like plot and slowly reveal incredible things like space marines over time (which would be lore accurate since they're an incredibly rare site to a normal person). This would (like mentioned in the video) save a lot of money and build the foundation to expand future projects.
Gaunt's Ghosts is the best series ever written. Dan Abnett is a god. Would love to see a TV version of it. As for Cavill, I think the only logical option is Guilliman, since that means he can play him from the past AND current events in the wh40k universe.
There's always a John Malcovich clip that works as a metaphor for life.
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He can play a servator... well part of him...
This felt like a video with more than 420 subs, top job.
Thanks very much 😁
He will play the leader of his favorite faction in the best storyline.
The Captain-General of the Custodes.
In the storyline "If the Emperor had a text-to-speech device"
Go Kitten!
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Im very excited about it, Ive played WH40K since there were only Space marines and spaceOrcs, and the universe has grown enormously since then with some very very good orignal stories.
I'd probably start with the class SPACE MARINE, telling the orignal story of 5 Necromundan boys recurited into the Imperial Fists chapter, and their bloody adventures. I believe it was the inspiration for Halo's "Spartans".
Henry Cavil could certainly play one of the heroes in the decade spanning adventure and be able to reprise the same role in a future story maybe as a Librarian or a Terminator marine, but he'd need to remain in the Fists.
I'm a lore nerd and I recently got into Rogue Trade thanks to OwlCat. So, of course, I dived into 40k lore (Total War already had me on the fantasy side of things) and boom. I learned our boy Henry is making a Warhammer show.
So I started looking up warhammer content and realized.. its all lackluster. ALL OF IT. The games, the shows, any possible movies, there's just so few high-quality products out there. It's actually wild considering how old 40k is.
So here's my prediction: Henry is going to make a great product. He's a nerd at heart and he saw the bullshit that went on with The Witcher as a nerd in one of his dream roles. 40K is about to have a resurgence. More games, more shows, more movies. I can see it already.
He can always wait til down the line to act, and focus on the 'showrunner' aspect for now. Would love to see Gaunt's Ghosts and Eisenhorn on the screen!