I have a tee shirt that has the trademark hand and "We Know" on it. One day I passed a guy who apparently recognized the symbol. As we approached each other, he whispered "Hail Sithis". I gave the perfect response as I said "Night Mother guide you." We didn't stop, we kept walking our separate ways, but now we have an awesome story to tell all our Skyrim friends!
Haha what if a cop pulled you over with that on and after the whole routine, you think your going to get a ticket. however he lets you off with a warning. Just before heading back to his patrol car he whispers: hail sithis I used to be an assassin, until I took an arrow to the knee I used to be in the dark brotherhood, but then I joined the right side of the law
I think the point is, when a member of the Dark Brotherhood assassinates someone, their soul goes to Sithis; that is, they go to nothing, they stop existing. Whereas if they had died by any other means, their soul would have gone to either Aetherius or a daedric plane. In a sense, the Dark Brotherhood are the only ones able to "truly kill" someone.
Maybe Sithis chose not to absorb Rufio's soul right away and give it to the PC, so it would serve them in sending even more souls to Sithis. The same thing can be said of Lucien Lachance's spirit that remained after his death; after all, he was killed by his fellow members of the Black Hand, _but_ on a false accusation of treason; so in killing him, the Black Hand weren't doing the work of Sithis, which could explain why he wasn't absorbed into the Void. As for the family, I don't know what family you're referring to. Which is it? The Motierre ancestors?
No, to stop existing one must achieve the concept called "zero-summing" it what's believed to be the cause of the dwemer's disappearance. When they go to the void they're either consumed by nothingness, therefore becoming part of that void, or they are returned to a state of raw creatia.
Keep in mind that not even the DB can confirm they're doing Sithis' bidding, so we can't really say their souls go to the void. Infact their actions fall much closer to Mephala's sphere of influence, therefore the reason why the theory of Mephala being behind the strings of the DB has valid points.
Sithis wants to destroy creation, but to destroy creation he must create. Anu wants to destroy destruction, but to destroy destruction he must destroy. When Sithis kills someone, he is simply sending them to the afterlife, to a new life. When Anu creates life, he is simply creating a creature that will eventually die. When mortals die, their bodies simply become nutrients for the next life form, life forms, who will eventually die themselves. And of course spirits are not immortal in the afterlife, they die and are reborn i.e Sheogorath and Jygalaag. This is why Sithis and Anu are in eternal combat. To create, you must destroy, and to destroy, you must create.
Sithis,is everything and nothing,every time you look into the void you see him,he is the creator of the Aedra (those on the plane of mortals) and the Daedra (those on the plain of Oblivion),he is obviously fond of the Daedra because he hates the Aedra. Look the lore is so deep I mean even the Great Divines and the Daedric Princes. Akatosh,Stendarr,Dibella,Mara,Kynareth,Zenithar,Julianos,Arkay,Clavicus Vile,Sithis,Sheogorath,Maphela,Vivec,Malacath,Hermaeus Mora,Hiricine,Alduin,Talos,Almalexia,Auri EL,Lorkhan,Namira,Vaermina,Trinimac,Boethiah,Jyggalag,and my personal favorite out of them all Molag Bal. And that’s not even all of them. My top three are: 1.Molag Bal (I just love his creepy vibes,loved his quests in Skyrim too.) One of the 17 Daedric Princes 2.Talos (Don’t really need to explain this one,but in case you don’t know in the Elder Scrolls lore he is the God to top all Gods,sorry Akatosh.) One of the 9 Divines,worship or acknowledgement of divinity strictly forbidden by the Imperial Empire. Thank to the Thalmor,pretty much an Elder Scrolls take on terrorists controlling a government. Talos is also the newest,yet oldest,yet youngest,yet most loved,yet most hated of the Divines. 3.Sheogorath (He makes me laugh so hard. Plus I love his personality,his storyline and his quests were my favorites in The Elder Scrolls 4:Oblivion) One of the 17 Daedric Princes
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Anu Padomay Anui-El Sithis Auri-El/Akatosh Lorkhan/Shezarr
@@k-p116 agree to disagree. I haven't seen (nor do I plan on seeing) ROS but I can honestly say it's better than that disrespectful piece of woke garbage that shit on everything.
I absolutely love the Dark Brotherhood quest line. I especially like its plot twist in Oblivion. It's always great when we get a quest line that has both quality and quantity.
OpposingForces I think the main story is pretty good, the mages guild is at least fun, it may not have the most exciting or thought provoking quests, but it's fun, the fighters guild... well they give you gold lol
I think you might have misinterpreted the book "Sithis" and Sithis' intentions. I don't think Sithis wants nothing. He wants constant change and evolution. Which makes sense since he is a part of Padomay, the personification of change. Anui-El, and the Aedra oppose this change. They want to hang on to what exists now, because they fear that change would eventually cause them to die. Sithis would want to destroy the stability of the universe that is provided by the Aedra and return the universe to unstable state of constant change.
I always wondered if Sithis might have something to do with dragon breaks, as when a dragon break happens Sithis gets so much more potential paths each leading to different futures an changes in them. This also in someways mocks the linear nature of time that was created.
Which essentially would make Sithis a god of creation while the Aedra, which represent statis, are beings who want to maintain the natural state of the universe which is nothingness.
@@muslimcrusader5987 If he wants to destroy stability, he's not creating much really. That's the thing about Mundus, it was made of beings of both Stability and Change. Sithis doesn't want to create anything, he wants Anui-El gone, if Chaos is all there is, nothing is being made per say, just like if it's pure order, not much else is there anyways. Anu was the first half of the Interplay, and so it started off as "everything" and "nothing" at the same thing.
@@thalmoragent9344 One can argue that creation is chaos. Not much is chaotic if there’s nothingness in existence. Everything would be cold, dark, empty... and peaceful.
@@muslimcrusader5987 Yeah but if everything is orderly and stable from the start, not much happens. It's their clash that allowed for anything to even be made in the first place. But I suppose it could sort of go either way, both are true at the same time. Had this been a book about Anui-El, I'm sure he'd have something quite interesting to say about it.
Remember that this is coming from a biased Mer-based perspective. They hate Lorkhan, whereas most humans are cool with Shor or Shezzar. All races are descended from both Lorkhan and the Aedra, though, I believe.
i think mundus represents what sithis actually wanted all along. sithis is a force of chaos and teh void, the mortal plain is just that, ever changing, things are created, things are killed, nothing is eternal, not even the living tribunal could escape death forever.
Windhelm Guard That's a very good point, but I think it's deeper than that. Sithis ultimately represents the pre-universe before individuality was present. Auri-El or Anu represents order, stability, and consciousness. Later this can be seen as an individuality. That is self awareness that wishes to preserve the self, when In reality, separation of self from everything else Is just an illusion, hence the book stating that they are illusory. Sithis in a twisted sense represents a lifeless neutrality, science and nihilism go hand in hand generally because they are cold. Anu and the light / soul of all things, represent the subjective experience aka life, while in a funny mixed up way Sithis represents unity, or.... formlessness therefore no self awareness. It's actually necessary for form and order and for that matter self awareness to even exist. Ultimately Mundus is a division between both archetypal extremes, so yes It is a cyclical changing realm, but Sithis is not only anti order but also transcends time, which means life and death holds no meaning. Change is more so In the aspect that chaos is roughly infinite energy, energy without consciousness, just an endless purposeless abyss of potential. Anu Is the first to manifest a self awareness, thus It is the first to seek purpose and time Itself is created to allow life, which says a lot about individuality as a whole. Time in general terms Is just cyclical matter.
i have to agree. sithis does create, but he also destroys. as you say, nothing is eternal. what comes from the void must also return to the void. if you are of the race of man on nirn, you should be giving thanks to sithis for the chance to even exist. those elves that wish to return to the stasis of anui-el should be your enemy.
Sithis is probably the most mysterious deity in all of elder scrolls. That’s what makes him so interesting. I hope one day Bethesda makes an Elder Scrolls game where Sithis is the main antagonist.
Just a really cool sidenote - the Et'Ada who became the Ehlnofey weren't just the beings that became the Aldmer. They became the 'Earthbones' that literally stabilised the very laws of nature allowing other living beings to grow and thrive. Prior to that, it was an unliveable landscape. They embodied gods like Y'ffre, some of them went on to become the Khajiit and, in some myths, they had a lot to do with the origins of the wood elves - distinct from the Aldmer. The Hist also used some of these Ehlnofey to create the first argonians, supposedly, but the Hist are a *completely* different story.
+drippin wet Wow. Just...wow. I cannot begin to imagine how vast your foolishness that you are watching a lore video and mocking a fan who is interested in... lore.
Does that mean The Last Dragonborn is far more powerful than we thought? Having the representation of Sithis, Lorkhan and Akatosh? Chaos and Order combined?
I think the last Dragonborn is only that; Dragonborn. I do not think that he/she (though I think his canon look is the generic Nord male with the iron helmet) became the leader of all the factions, he only fufiled the profecy, defeated the Volkihar and became the new champion of Hermaeus Mora. But it still is a interersting idea, a hero bringing equilibrium by basically being the champion of Akatosh (as he bestowed men the dragon blood yet he did not, that´s Bethesda fucking up their own lore which they did even more by creating Miraak) and Sithis.
That's another interesting point; the dragonborns are reincarnations of Shor/Lorkhan/Shezar, yet it is Akatosh, the nemesis of Lorkhan who grants the dragonborn his power. Kynareth bestowed the gift of shouting to men but the Soul of a Dragon is given by Akatosh. I just find it interesting that Akatosh give men a hero to give them more time on Nirn by destroying Alduin, who will end all things.
Ordinary Swede oh not all Dragonborns are related to Shor, it wasn't ever like that. Being Dragonborn means tied to Akatosh as started by Saint Alessia. That's what makes TLD so special. He's tied to both Akatosh and Shor and in extent, to Sithis which shouldn't be possible. There's also the fact that every Daedra likes him for some reason even with clear ties to the most powerful Aedras, Kynareth and Akatosh... He's like a weird, walking paradox.
Lorkhan wasn't sent by sithis to destroy mundus( like the thalmor want to) he was sent to destroy what the aedra had made for themselves in aetherius. It would make no sense for lorkhan to destroy mundus by making mundus.
He didn’t make Mundus. Lorkhan tricked the Aedras and Daedras into sacrificing a large chunk of their power into creating Mundus hoping that he could kill them while they were in a weakened state. The only thing Lorkhan made was Sovngarde, Atmora and the Nords.
@@gabadur_ Kyne bought to Nords to Skyrim but she didn’t make them. Nords were made by Shor in his own image. Kyne, being the wife of Shor, most likely transported the Nords to Nirn to colonise and wipe out the Elves. Fun fact; all major continents of Nirn were once one supermassive continent called Aldmeris. What this means is humanity are aliens from Sovngarde and have no right to live in the world of Mer.
@@muslimcrusader5987 First, nothing is certain, each culture and religion has its own interpretation of events, each equally valid. For example in the Anuad the men and mer are descended from the Ehlnofey, being therefore related. And then there is the possibility that aldmeris did not even exist in the first place (Several theories point to this) and some of those that point to its existence describe it as a separate continent.
@@muslimcrusader5987 It depends, in other cultures it convinces them and they do it voluntarily, for example the Shezzar song. Also in the dunmer myths he does indeed trick but it is for the greater good.
@@давидцыгановский Because it is the spreading out (evening out) of the chaos that results from the universe forming into clumps? So, life is an expression of Sithis?
I see Sithis and Lorkhan as agents of change (hence the chaos element) and were unhappy with the stable kingdoms of the daedra. And as such Nirn was the perfect solution, an ever-changing/evolving world that couldn't be controlled by any one party. I also love how Lorkhan is believed to be Talos, he got killed by the other God's so he re-birthed himself to then achieve godhood again.. He is definitely a trickster that one
I also like the phrasing, "when they ran out of power, they resorted to procreation", like they slowly were unable to shoot fireballs and lightning and decided, "Well we ran out of cool shit to do, might as well bone each other."
Regardless of what anyone says about the mechanics, quests, or gameplay of any Elder Scrolls game (It'll never be as perfect as we want it), their lore is amazing. Maybe not the best stories relative to literature or film, but I think anyone could agree that only few games can top the lore woven into the Elder Scrolls.
Eh. It rips direct spiritual truths/concepts from all angles. It works well because it resonates, but much of the "lore" isn't original; it's just a mish-mashing of cool concepts in an RPG format.
I agree with you whole heartedly that Skyrim isn't that fun anymore and oblivion is so much fun! I'm on my 5th playthrough. ( sorry about my English I'm from South Korea
Anui-El and Sithis are not just opposing forces, they are complimentary. One cannot exist without the other. Change and stasis are both necessary to maintain the balance of order and chaos. To quote Sheogorath, "I'm no different, except in the ways I am."
It's kinda weird how none of the dedric princes ever mention Sithis. They never seem to mention their origin in the void before time could separate them. Also, I think the realm of nothing might be an actual place in game just due to the fact that you can summon Lucien LeChance from "the void, where he sits at the throne of Sithis"- Night mother ES4.
It's interesting that Sithis is identifiable as the void and a desire to undo creation, but that he then went on to create Lorkhan, who in turn led to more creation. What's really interesting is that Lorkhan is the Nordic god Shor, creator of Nirn and Sovengard. Shor however, is absent from Sovengard when you go there for the main quest. I've read a number of interesting theories on how the Dragonborn is actually an incarnation of Shor, but I have a more interesting theory: the Dragonborn is actually an incarnation of Akatosh. Skyrim as a game has a number of divergent events that could result in multiple histories, and the Dragonborn could be seen as a sort of fixer. He comes in and completely repairs nearly all of the guilds in Skyrim, all of which are on the brink of destruction. Not only that, but the use of saving and reloading could be seen as time manipulation. The Dragonborn can also absorb dragon souls, and all dragons come from Akatosh originally.
I find it unlikely that Lorkhan is truly a minion of sithis. Given that when the Dragonborn enters sovengarde, if he presents himself as the listener (a position of high honor in the eyes of sithis) Tsun reacts quite negatively and states that you are unwelcome and that Shor does not know you. This makes the idea that Lorkhan is the servant of Sithis an odd one indeed.
How nice would it be to have a 'storytime with fudgemuppet', where the guys just read us lore and elder scrolls fiction with a crackling fire in the background...
Jesus... Sithis is basically the embodiment (or disembodiment) of my greatest fears. How the hell was the Dark Brotherhood my favorite faction for so long? Screw that. I'm destroying those edgelords every playthrough from now on. Who the hell would want to worship something that literally wants you to stop existing? I'd rather be doomed to Mehrunes Dagon's realm for eternity than just disappear forever.
@@iepineapple Raping by spiky daedra cock is Molag Bals speciality. Bin man Dagon is all about destruction change and revolution. So probably people that go to Menhures plane of existence get destroyed all the time......hmm I think the lack of existence does not seem so bad now O.o
ES lore can be tricky, but as a note the ones who couldn't leave Nirn or become Divines were the Aedra (Not just the Divines), who procreated and GAVE BIRTH to the Ehlnofey, the precursor race of the various elves. Aedra and Daedra literally mean "Our Fathers" and "Not our Fathers" for a reason.
1:50 "It was simply a force that does not change vs a force that does change" So in other words, and unstoppable force meeting an immovable object? LOL
i would argue the other way around. sithis does create, but ultimately returns everything to nothing. anui-el creates, but keeps things in place. sithis is ever changing in this regard and anui-el is consistency.
No, because creation is limited. There isn’t anything in creation that is truly infinite. Everything is finite. Nothingness/chaos is ever-changing and thus full of limitless potential.
@@thomasjenkins7506 Anu is about statis. In other words, maintaining the natural order of existence which is nothingness. Padomay represents change to this status quo. He’s essentially a god of creation.
Got a question/idea to run by you. In Mundus, the sun and stars are holes made by Magnus and the Magna Ge. However when you go to Sovngarde, which exists in Aetherius, there are stars in the sky. Do you think its just an error in the design or something more?
They be chilled for they serve The Cannabis Spinner, the Daedric Prince of high....add a Little bit of Sanguine there a little Sheogorath here, Azura for the pretty face and daaamn son let the party Begin
It's not necessarily about killing to destroy being and send it to the void. You said yourself Sithis is a chaos. Chaos is a change. Killing people is about changes. Like killing emperor in Skyrim, that would bring a whole lot of changes to many people. I like to think about Sithis and brotherhood like this. They killing so life and creation can change constantly.
Everything is connected. Just food for thought, In star wars the Jedi and the Sith are the same concept, you can look in any lore or religion or philosophy and find similar ideas. It's not coincidence. Funny enough, the Jedi (at least the word Itself) was based off of an Ancient Egyptian order of peace protectors and keepers of knowledge.
I like to imagine the first dragonbreak being visualized as Auriel just kinda chillin', messing around with his completed rubix cube, then drops it and it shatters with him going, "oop oh fuck, oh FUCK OH FUCK OOPS OOOOPS", whilst frantically trying to piece it back together.
I have joined the Dark Brotherhood in both Oblivion and Skyrim. They are my favorite faction. The whole lore behind the Night Mother and everything involved with them is intersting. Hail Sithis!
There's a cicero quest before the dark brotherhood questline If you travel along the roads of whitrun near lorious farm you can find cicero transporting the night mother, he gets stuck due to a broken wagon wheel and you have to convince lorious to fix it
It's worth noting that Lorkhan seems to have deviated from Sithis by creating rather than destroying, meaning Lorkhan rejected Sithis in favor of his own vision. But that's speculation
Sithis IS Padomay. Just another name for the eldest entity who was before Anu and Magnus, he was the true void, the nonexistence. Not good neither evil, not dark neither light. He is the alpha and will be the omega, but not just of time like alduin was, or of mundus like mehrunes tried to be. Padomay/Sithis is the end of everything: Aedra, Daedra, oblibion, Nirn... even aetherius. He's the primigenial void of TES. You think Hermaeus was creepy? You have seen nothing...
With the ESO, we know that those assassinated by the Blade of Woe have their souls sent immediately to the Void, and have seen both a manifestation of Sithis in the form of a wraith and raw Void energy in the form of the Dark Heart in the Arkthzand Caverns of Blackreach under Skyrim
I think when Sithis created Lorkhan/Shor, he ceased being pure chaos. Being formless would be chaos but having form is order. By becoming Lorkhan he found an order amongst the chaos and adapted the world to it. The universe is chaos but you can bring a sort of order to it. When he created Mundus it was an attempt to create order, bringing form to a formless dimension. But since chaos is a natural state, there would always be chaos. So where he can, he balances it, he created Sovengard so the dead weren’t cast into the void, he intervened at some points in history, sending his own champions to prevent utter doom to Nirn, taking these champions as his own vessels. Because of him, Talos was born, the Empire was founded, and perhaps even the Last Dragonborn was born as his newest vessel (should you believe the that theory). Sithis as the Void still exists, if Lorkhan was made to end the universe, he either decided not to fulfill it, or brought an end to the Aedra way of life through creation. Perhaps this is why Sithis created the Dark Brotherhood, to sow chaos in his son’s precious world.
What an amazing theory!!! I really do love the lore of Sithis and I believe he deserves more spotlight. Seriously all the games talk about akatosh and never about Sithis
yea i kind of thought that would be significant, as hermaeus mora is knowledge of everything and sithis is nothing, so are they linked, in extreme ends of spectrum or just polar opposites
I don't think he wants nothing - he wants nothing to stay. Things become corrupted with permanence. He is the dreaming, thoughts, ambitions, forms should exist and fade away. He is like the godhead, all of us a part of it, all of everything part of it, but not forever. A dream, a fancy, an idea, perfect, pure, and then forgotten. Not missed, not mourned, no legacy, no love and no hate, no sad friends or spurned enemies, no trauma passed on, no wounds left in the dirt. Hail Sithis the Dreaming.
I love your channel so much Fudge! It’s been an absolute pleasure to listen to. I’ve been subscribed for years and now commenting for the first time. You have such a lovely voice and I’m amazed at the amount of research you put into making these videos. Thank you for all you hard work and commitment to the Elder Scrolls fan community!
I always found it odd how Sithis/Padomay seemed to embody both change and nothingness, whereas Anu was both stasis yet creation. Even weirder was how Lorkhan kind of circumvented that - the Nords seem to revere Shor as a kind of Nietzschian “I will continue to endure existence” type character, while the elves see him as a destroyer? But a destroyer of the nothingness they prefer? Boy Elder Scrolls is weird. Gotta say, though, if Sithis’ goal is “destroy everthing” then he’s doing a crap job of it. Maybe a giant demon-legion like Dagon’s or Bal’s would be better suited to that than a guild of like 5-100 assassins?
Sithis isn't a thinking being like a daedric prince. It's akin to a storm or a tsunami, destroying whatever it comes into contact with through its vessels (TDB).
I like these little dips into the lore...but you gotta stop trusting it. Remember Bethesda is in love with the unreliable narrator. Everything you see in those lore books could be utter nonsense. Just tales told by savages to explain the weird world around them. That some of those savages have pointed ears and are insufferable in their belief they know what is what is besides the point.
i really like how this was expanded to include things that happen before time, for example I once asked someone why suicide was a sin by the church. yes i know heavy stuff but it gives you a sense of place, in that case the priest never gets to pray for that person. So while he was reading that you are struck by the fact that time does not exist and your dealing with beings with godlike powers.
I get that this is the idea, but it's quite interesting the similarities between the creation of the Universe and the creation of the Elder Scrolls Universe. Basically, Sithis is Dark Energy, trying to stretch out our own Universe
Dark brotherhood ancient armor, blade of woe, pearks: sneak 1 handed, light armor, speechcraft. Kill everything and anyone you can get away with. P.s. more fun then it sounds
if the thalmor believe destroying most things will give them immortality i would believe they are mistaken because if they destroy mundus or whatever the mortal plane is called that means there will be be less something and more nothing if that makes sense, so if there is more nothing wouldnt sithis have more power and be able to create another lorkhan even more powerfull scince so many et ada i think they are called died in the cretion of mundus and thats where all of lorkhan went aswell that means the thalmor would send everything to sithis in destroying the mortal realm in saying all that i believe sithis could make a lorkhan 2.0 with a ton of power all of akatoshs and alduins every fucking mortal except a few glowing yellow bois. hey cheers if you read all that man im huge fan been playing skyrim scince 2011 still watch your videos man
Nihilism is an absence of belief in anything, not just a lack of religion, nihilism is one of two, active and passive nihilism, one passively waits for the end or destruction of the old, new, and future ways. And the other actively seeks out that same destruction in everything or sometimes even actively acts on or towards that destruction
Nihilism is an accurate appraisal of the universe as it is. It's only fault is that despite being true, leads to nothing of use to anyone. It's inconvenient truth at it's most pure, and like that truth, is ultimately futile. It's an impractical philosophy, but not unimportant, and certainly not something to ignore. It's an important concept to grapple with, to come to terms with. You exist, might as well do something worth your limited time on earth while you have it, if only to make yourself happy while living it. That's just one example of a positive outlook while still acknowledging nihilism. To walk through nihilistic philosophy and come out the other end with something more than nihilism itself is probably the most mature thing someone can do, especially if that person considers truth to be an important concept. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without embracing it.
If you treat nihilism as "there is no value independent of the valuer" then nihilism is trivially true. In fact, religion would not save you from nihilism with this understanding, because religion draws meaning by the judgement of a god, and thus extrinsic.
I took it to be a meta joke, The Night Mother created the worship of Sithis, which is eleven for the concept of nothing, and made her own cult, therefor the Darkbrotherhood literally worship nothing. The Night Mother made a false cult and openly admits to it by making it sound like a edgy nihilism cult but in-fact it is just one giant scam. There is no Sithis, because, by it's very nature, Sithis does not exist.
I always love your lore videos, I am just enfatuated with Elder Sceolls lore! Your videos have given me different interpretations than I first thought of! Thank you!
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I feel like Sheldon in the Big Bang theory with his chart
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I have a tee shirt that has the trademark hand and "We Know" on it. One day I passed a guy who apparently recognized the symbol. As we approached each other, he whispered "Hail Sithis". I gave the perfect response as I said "Night Mother guide you."
We didn't stop, we kept walking our separate ways, but now we have an awesome story to tell all our Skyrim friends!
AmosTheTalented that is awesome
AmosTheTalented That's fucking awesome
Haha what if a cop pulled you over with that on and after the whole routine, you think your going to get a ticket. however he lets you off with a warning. Just before heading back to his patrol car he whispers: hail sithis
I used to be an assassin, until I took an arrow to the knee
I used to be in the dark brotherhood, but then I joined the right side of the law
Evan Fleckenstein I’d probably have a heart attack mixed with laughter.
Gay... that's just gay...
I think the point is, when a member of the Dark Brotherhood assassinates someone, their soul goes to Sithis; that is, they go to nothing, they stop existing. Whereas if they had died by any other means, their soul would have gone to either Aetherius or a daedric plane. In a sense, the Dark Brotherhood are the only ones able to "truly kill" someone.
Ysgramornorris or so they believe.
What about Rufio, who had an angry ghost after being assasinated in Oblivion? Or the family's grave, where their ghosts come out?
Maybe Sithis chose not to absorb Rufio's soul right away and give it to the PC, so it would serve them in sending even more souls to Sithis. The same thing can be said of Lucien Lachance's spirit that remained after his death; after all, he was killed by his fellow members of the Black Hand, _but_ on a false accusation of treason; so in killing him, the Black Hand weren't doing the work of Sithis, which could explain why he wasn't absorbed into the Void.
As for the family, I don't know what family you're referring to. Which is it? The Motierre ancestors?
No, to stop existing one must achieve the concept called "zero-summing" it what's believed to be the cause of the dwemer's disappearance. When they go to the void they're either consumed by nothingness, therefore becoming part of that void, or they are returned to a state of raw creatia.
Keep in mind that not even the DB can confirm they're doing Sithis' bidding, so we can't really say their souls go to the void. Infact their actions fall much closer to Mephala's sphere of influence, therefore the reason why the theory of Mephala being behind the strings of the DB has valid points.
Sithis wants to destroy creation, but to destroy creation he must create. Anu wants to destroy destruction, but to destroy destruction he must destroy. When Sithis kills someone, he is simply sending them to the afterlife, to a new life. When Anu creates life, he is simply creating a creature that will eventually die. When mortals die, their bodies simply become nutrients for the next life form, life forms, who will eventually die themselves. And of course spirits are not immortal in the afterlife, they die and are reborn i.e Sheogorath and Jygalaag.
This is why Sithis and Anu are in eternal combat. To create, you must destroy, and to destroy, you must create.
Sithis is this is nothing, and yet he exists
Sithis,is everything and nothing,every time you look into the void you see him,he is the creator of the Aedra (those on the plane of mortals) and the Daedra (those on the plain of Oblivion),he is obviously fond of the Daedra because he hates the Aedra. Look the lore is so deep I mean even the Great Divines and the Daedric Princes.
Akatosh,Stendarr,Dibella,Mara,Kynareth,Zenithar,Julianos,Arkay,Clavicus Vile,Sithis,Sheogorath,Maphela,Vivec,Malacath,Hermaeus Mora,Hiricine,Alduin,Talos,Almalexia,Auri EL,Lorkhan,Namira,Vaermina,Trinimac,Boethiah,Jyggalag,and my personal favorite out of them all Molag Bal.
And that’s not even all of them.
My top three are:
1.Molag Bal (I just love his creepy vibes,loved his quests in Skyrim too.) One of the 17 Daedric Princes
2.Talos (Don’t really need to explain this one,but in case you don’t know in the Elder Scrolls lore he is the God to top all Gods,sorry Akatosh.) One of the 9 Divines,worship or acknowledgement of divinity strictly forbidden by the Imperial Empire. Thank to the Thalmor,pretty much an Elder Scrolls take on terrorists controlling a government. Talos is also the newest,yet oldest,yet youngest,yet most loved,yet most hated of the Divines.
3.Sheogorath (He makes me laugh so hard. Plus I love his personality,his storyline and his quests were my favorites in The Elder Scrolls 4:Oblivion) One of the 17 Daedric Princes
Anu Padomay
Anui-El Sithis
Auri-El/Akatosh Lorkhan/Shezarr
@@sidneyadnopoz3427 he's nothing and everything at the same time and all time along with no time
Replace Sithis with Padomay please.
Always knew Padmé brought chaos to the galaxy
She is palpatine in reality
She tricked even herself
not as much chaos as Rian Johnson did
@@erics8192 Rian made the best movie in the Disney era
@@k-p116 agree to disagree. I haven't seen (nor do I plan on seeing) ROS but I can honestly say it's better than that disrespectful piece of woke garbage that shit on everything.
Shes the sith master. She traind plagues. Wait so she married someone much younger than her.
AAAAAHHHHHH
I absolutely love the Dark Brotherhood quest line. I especially like its plot twist in Oblivion. It's always great when we get a quest line that has both quality and quantity.
yeah, in oblivion the only two good storylines in the base game were the thieves guild and the dark brotherhood.
OpposingForces I think the main story is pretty good, the mages guild is at least fun, it may not have the most exciting or thought provoking quests, but it's fun, the fighters guild... well they give you gold lol
MrHuntHunt agreed
My god you like comment on every fudgemuppet video
OpposingForces This are two more then in Skyrim.
I think you might have misinterpreted the book "Sithis" and Sithis' intentions. I don't think Sithis wants nothing. He wants constant change and evolution. Which makes sense since he is a part of Padomay, the personification of change. Anui-El, and the Aedra oppose this change. They want to hang on to what exists now, because they fear that change would eventually cause them to die. Sithis would want to destroy the stability of the universe that is provided by the Aedra and return the universe to unstable state of constant change.
I always wondered if Sithis might have something to do with dragon breaks, as when a dragon break happens Sithis gets so much more potential paths each leading to different futures an changes in them. This also in someways mocks the linear nature of time that was created.
Which essentially would make Sithis a god of creation while the Aedra, which represent statis, are beings who want to maintain the natural state of the universe which is nothingness.
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If he wants to destroy stability, he's not creating much really.
That's the thing about Mundus, it was made of beings of both Stability and Change. Sithis doesn't want to create anything, he wants Anui-El gone, if Chaos is all there is, nothing is being made per say, just like if it's pure order, not much else is there anyways. Anu was the first half of the Interplay, and so it started off as "everything" and "nothing" at the same thing.
@@thalmoragent9344 One can argue that creation is chaos. Not much is chaotic if there’s nothingness in existence. Everything would be cold, dark, empty... and peaceful.
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Yeah but if everything is orderly and stable from the start, not much happens. It's their clash that allowed for anything to even be made in the first place.
But I suppose it could sort of go either way, both are true at the same time. Had this been a book about Anui-El, I'm sure he'd have something quite interesting to say about it.
Remember that this is coming from a biased Mer-based perspective. They hate Lorkhan, whereas most humans are cool with Shor or Shezzar. All races are descended from both Lorkhan and the Aedra, though, I believe.
i think mundus represents what sithis actually wanted all along.
sithis is a force of chaos and teh void, the mortal plain is just that, ever changing, things are created, things are killed, nothing is eternal, not even the living tribunal could escape death forever.
Windhelm Guard I find that the "evil" label we associate with Sithis is very... misconceived.
Windhelm Guard
That's a very good point, but I think it's deeper than that. Sithis ultimately represents the pre-universe before individuality was present. Auri-El or Anu represents order, stability, and consciousness. Later this can be seen as an individuality. That is self awareness that wishes to preserve the self, when In reality, separation of self from everything else Is just an illusion, hence the book stating that they are illusory. Sithis in a twisted sense represents a lifeless neutrality, science and nihilism go hand in hand generally because they are cold. Anu and the light / soul of all things, represent the subjective experience aka life, while in a funny mixed up way Sithis represents unity, or.... formlessness therefore no self awareness. It's actually necessary for form and order and for that matter self awareness to even exist. Ultimately Mundus is a division between both archetypal extremes, so yes It is a cyclical changing realm, but Sithis is not only anti order but also transcends time, which means life and death holds no meaning. Change is more so In the aspect that chaos is roughly infinite energy, energy without consciousness, just an endless purposeless abyss of potential. Anu Is the first to manifest a self awareness, thus It is the first to seek purpose and time Itself is created to allow life, which says a lot about individuality as a whole. Time in general terms Is just cyclical matter.
What a windhelm guard knows about sithis its a darkbotherhood spy get him lol
Teh void
i have to agree. sithis does create, but he also destroys. as you say, nothing is eternal. what comes from the void must also return to the void. if you are of the race of man on nirn, you should be giving thanks to sithis for the chance to even exist. those elves that wish to return to the stasis of anui-el should be your enemy.
Sithis is probably the most mysterious deity in all of elder scrolls. That’s what makes him so interesting. I hope one day Bethesda makes an Elder Scrolls game where Sithis is the main antagonist.
Sithis is malevolent, but I'm not sure he's necessarily evil. It's almost like he's just "in charge" of a certain aspect of creation.
I choked on my drink when you guys put Padamé over the mention of Padomay
You mean Padmé
Ironic, you chocked
You know else chocked
Padme
Hi
Just a really cool sidenote - the Et'Ada who became the Ehlnofey weren't just the beings that became the Aldmer. They became the 'Earthbones' that literally stabilised the very laws of nature allowing other living beings to grow and thrive. Prior to that, it was an unliveable landscape. They embodied gods like Y'ffre, some of them went on to become the Khajiit and, in some myths, they had a lot to do with the origins of the wood elves - distinct from the Aldmer. The Hist also used some of these Ehlnofey to create the first argonians, supposedly, but the Hist are a *completely* different story.
Hello Future Me ALL HAIL MISHKA!
Haha all hail Mishka! Awesome to see some followers over here.
Almost completely right. But all mortal races (presumably at least) were formed from the Ehlnofey.
Wow. Just...wow.
I cannot begin to imagine how vast your knowledge of bullshit expands.
+drippin wet Wow. Just...wow.
I cannot begin to imagine how vast your foolishness that you are watching a lore video and mocking a fan who is interested in... lore.
Does that mean The Last Dragonborn is far more powerful than we thought? Having the representation of Sithis, Lorkhan and Akatosh? Chaos and Order combined?
I think the last Dragonborn is only that; Dragonborn. I do not think that he/she (though I think his canon look is the generic Nord male with the iron helmet) became the leader of all the factions, he only fufiled the profecy, defeated the Volkihar and became the new champion of Hermaeus Mora. But it still is a interersting idea, a hero bringing equilibrium by basically being the champion of Akatosh (as he bestowed men the dragon blood yet he did not, that´s Bethesda fucking up their own lore which they did even more by creating Miraak) and Sithis.
Ordinary Swede well, he is the incarnation of Shor, but also blessed personally with Akatosh. He is more than just some random prophecy piece.
That's another interesting point; the dragonborns are reincarnations of Shor/Lorkhan/Shezar, yet it is Akatosh, the nemesis of Lorkhan who grants the dragonborn his power. Kynareth bestowed the gift of shouting to men but the Soul of a Dragon is given by Akatosh. I just find it interesting that Akatosh give men a hero to give them more time on Nirn by destroying Alduin, who will end all things.
Ordinary Swede oh not all Dragonborns are related to Shor, it wasn't ever like that. Being Dragonborn means tied to Akatosh as started by Saint Alessia. That's what makes TLD so special. He's tied to both Akatosh and Shor and in extent, to Sithis which shouldn't be possible. There's also the fact that every Daedra likes him for some reason even with clear ties to the most powerful Aedras, Kynareth and Akatosh... He's like a weird, walking paradox.
TheSchmeister a lot like Pelinal Whitestrake actually
Lorkhan wasn't sent by sithis to destroy mundus( like the thalmor want to) he was sent to destroy what the aedra had made for themselves in aetherius. It would make no sense for lorkhan to destroy mundus by making mundus.
He didn’t make Mundus. Lorkhan tricked the Aedras and Daedras into sacrificing a large chunk of their power into creating Mundus hoping that he could kill them while they were in a weakened state.
The only thing Lorkhan made was Sovngarde, Atmora and the Nords.
@@muslimcrusader5987 kyne made the nords
@@gabadur_ Kyne bought to Nords to Skyrim but she didn’t make them. Nords were made by Shor in his own image. Kyne, being the wife of Shor, most likely transported the Nords to Nirn to colonise and wipe out the Elves. Fun fact; all major continents of Nirn were once one supermassive continent called Aldmeris. What this means is humanity are aliens from Sovngarde and have no right to live in the world of Mer.
@@muslimcrusader5987 First, nothing is certain, each culture and religion has its own interpretation of events, each equally valid. For example in the Anuad the men and mer are descended from the Ehlnofey, being therefore related. And then there is the possibility that aldmeris did not even exist in the first place (Several theories point to this) and some of those that point to its existence describe it as a separate continent.
@@muslimcrusader5987 It depends, in other cultures it convinces them and they do it voluntarily, for example the Shezzar song. Also in the dunmer myths he does indeed trick but it is for the greater good.
What did the void say to the overworked assassin?
“Maybe you should sithis one out”
Anakin: My body is _changing,_ Padame... You're causing _chaos_ in my pants...
Donsmacker1 stop
Never :D
Don 'Smacee I sense a disturbance in the force
Anu-kin, and Padame.
I don't like S(and)ithis.
"this is the part where shit get tricky and really hard to understand ".................... BOOIIIII I WAS LOST AT THE 30 SECOND MARK
mason blackney you should watch the explanation made by civilizationx its a lot clearer
matthias dupon I can't find that video.
Well of course you cannot understand such greatness you mortal your brain is too small
We have sithis in our universe, goes by entropy here
Have thou met Entropious?
No, you're completely wrong, entropy is actually order, it's not chaos.
@@давидцыгановский Because it is the spreading out (evening out) of the chaos that results from the universe forming into clumps? So, life is an expression of Sithis?
@@давидцыгановский Hmm but, Sithis is change, which surely is Entropy...?
Sithsith sounds like the ultimate evil for the Jedi
*Sithsith*
That's why the Jedi called the sith sith. They fought *SITHSITH*
I see Sithis and Lorkhan as agents of change (hence the chaos element) and were unhappy with the stable kingdoms of the daedra. And as such Nirn was the perfect solution, an ever-changing/evolving world that couldn't be controlled by any one party.
I also love how Lorkhan is believed to be Talos, he got killed by the other God's so he re-birthed himself to then achieve godhood again.. He is definitely a trickster that one
I love that take. Regaining godhood sounds like an amazing plot line
Psst, Hail Sithis
LoverxofxNight
Oblivion to Sithis.
Night mother guide you
Night mother guide you
Night mother Guide you
Night mother guide you
Plot twist. sithis is games workshop
Or maybe its related to our Lord and saviour harambe
So if the Aedra and their daddy are Nexus, who is Loverslab?
Dragon Sorcerer X The Daedra
Dragon Sorcerer X, Sanguine, obviously.
diabbela
I also like the phrasing, "when they ran out of power, they resorted to procreation", like they slowly were unable to shoot fireballs and lightning and decided, "Well we ran out of cool shit to do, might as well bone each other."
5:22 says it's hard to understand but is already makes no sense but goes along with it
I'm impressed with how much the Elder Scrolls lore can help familiarize modern people with concepts of tradition religions, e.g., mythic "time."
it’s fucking amazing that people still make skyrim videos
Regardless of what anyone says about the mechanics, quests, or gameplay of any Elder Scrolls game (It'll never be as perfect as we want it), their lore is amazing. Maybe not the best stories relative to literature or film, but I think anyone could agree that only few games can top the lore woven into the Elder Scrolls.
Eh. It rips direct spiritual truths/concepts from all angles. It works well because it resonates, but much of the "lore" isn't original; it's just a mish-mashing of cool concepts in an RPG format.
Some believe nothing is best. The fact of not existing diminishes the chances of a negative life.
Fudge Muppet Has a Way of Making Me want to play Skyrim So Badly
NathanHullsterTV indeed but when you start playing you realize that it actualy isnt fun
The last Medjai True af 😂
I agree with you whole heartedly that Skyrim isn't that fun anymore and oblivion is so much fun! I'm on my 5th playthrough. ( sorry about my English I'm from South Korea
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Thomas Garrison your english is excellent by the way
Anui-El and Sithis are not just opposing forces, they are complimentary. One cannot exist without the other. Change and stasis are both necessary to maintain the balance of order and chaos. To quote Sheogorath, "I'm no different, except in the ways I am."
Old comment but they are opposing in definition, whether they're complimentary or not doesn't matter that much
They are necessary opposites
Nice Video, Possible next video Idea: Who is Magnus?
That's a lot to absorb, I will watch this again, but Scott explained it very well and clear.
It's kinda weird how none of the dedric princes ever mention Sithis. They never seem to mention their origin in the void before time could separate them.
Also, I think the realm of nothing might be an actual place in game just due to the fact that you can summon Lucien LeChance from "the void, where he sits at the throne of Sithis"- Night mother ES4.
It's interesting that Sithis is identifiable as the void and a desire to undo creation, but that he then went on to create Lorkhan, who in turn led to more creation.
What's really interesting is that Lorkhan is the Nordic god Shor, creator of Nirn and Sovengard. Shor however, is absent from Sovengard when you go there for the main quest. I've read a number of interesting theories on how the Dragonborn is actually an incarnation of Shor, but I have a more interesting theory: the Dragonborn is actually an incarnation of Akatosh. Skyrim as a game has a number of divergent events that could result in multiple histories, and the Dragonborn could be seen as a sort of fixer. He comes in and completely repairs nearly all of the guilds in Skyrim, all of which are on the brink of destruction. Not only that, but the use of saving and reloading could be seen as time manipulation. The Dragonborn can also absorb dragon souls, and all dragons come from Akatosh originally.
I find it unlikely that Lorkhan is truly a minion of sithis.
Given that when the Dragonborn enters sovengarde, if he presents himself as the listener (a position of high honor in the eyes of sithis) Tsun reacts quite negatively and states that you are unwelcome and that Shor does not know you. This makes the idea that Lorkhan is the servant of Sithis an odd one indeed.
How nice would it be to have a 'storytime with fudgemuppet', where the guys just read us lore and elder scrolls fiction with a crackling fire in the background...
Hail Sithis.
Just Someguy XD
"Shadow hide you" - Nazir of the Dark Brotherhood, 4E 201
Matthew Chirino
Never.
I shall fight in rebellion.
Countess Annebelle Lee
Death to Sithis and the Daedra.
Night mother guide you.
This is one of the best birthday surprises that I've ever had. Thanks FudgeMuppet(s).
Jesus... Sithis is basically the embodiment (or disembodiment) of my greatest fears. How the hell was the Dark Brotherhood my favorite faction for so long? Screw that. I'm destroying those edgelords every playthrough from now on. Who the hell would want to worship something that literally wants you to stop existing? I'd rather be doomed to Mehrunes Dagon's realm for eternity than just disappear forever.
wishbone346 You are made of nothing and you are nothing, Sithis will claim you one way or another, be it now on this plane, or millenniums from now.
@@iepineapple Raping by spiky daedra cock is Molag Bals speciality. Bin man Dagon is all about destruction change and revolution. So probably people that go to Menhures plane of existence get destroyed all the time......hmm I think the lack of existence does not seem so bad now O.o
How dare you insult our dread papa 😾
Its 3:02 AM where im at but this channel has that FIRE content!!
Anu and Padomay, the classic Taoist perspective of Order and Chaos, Yin and Yang
ES lore can be tricky, but as a note the ones who couldn't leave Nirn or become Divines were the Aedra (Not just the Divines), who procreated and GAVE BIRTH to the Ehlnofey, the precursor race of the various elves. Aedra and Daedra literally mean "Our Fathers" and "Not our Fathers" for a reason.
Sithis, the being that never outgrew his 'teenage' edgy emo phase
1:50 "It was simply a force that does not change vs a force that does change" So in other words, and unstoppable force meeting an immovable object? LOL
But wouldn't existence be the constantly changing chaos and nothing the stagnant order?
i would argue the other way around. sithis does create, but ultimately returns everything to nothing. anui-el creates, but keeps things in place. sithis is ever changing in this regard and anui-el is consistency.
No, because creation is limited. There isn’t anything in creation that is truly infinite. Everything is finite. Nothingness/chaos is ever-changing and thus full of limitless potential.
@@thomasjenkins7506 Anu is about statis. In other words, maintaining the natural order of existence which is nothingness. Padomay represents change to this status quo. He’s essentially a god of creation.
It's been a long time that I've been pondering this question
>Sithis
>SithIs
>Sith Is
>Sith
Sithis is a Sith Lord!!
Claudio Moita well Im going down the rabbit hole, YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE.
Oh Sith
* I AM THE SITHIS * AND I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND
Claudio Moita hey now.
Sithis: *UNLIMITED POWER!!!*
Got a question/idea to run by you. In Mundus, the sun and stars are holes made by Magnus and the Magna Ge. However when you go to Sovngarde, which exists in Aetherius, there are stars in the sky. Do you think its just an error in the design or something more?
Maybe sovngarde is the other side of that hole
It's really weird to pronounce Sithis in Brazil, it looks like our pronunciation of the word 'syphillis'
Pedro Neto That's probably on purpose.
eu costumo esconder o fato de ser br
All hail grandfather nurgle!
Great video, as always. This really made me want a video ob Lorkhan/Shor and how the elves and men looks at him as evil and good
Not going to lie, Sithsith sounds absolutely fucking adorable. I want a sithsith ;_;
#adorbs
pssssssttt hail sithsith
Captain Cokecan say it all with a lisp. Ptrthhht. Hail thith thith
what the night mother calls Sithis
sithis rapes
Sithis is the god of waking me up at the exact moment fudgemuppet uploads. (It's 3:02am pacific)
Psst I know you. Hail sithis
john Calderon
I shall never yield to Sithis.
May the Godhead erase him.
Night mother guide you
Night mother guide you
More chiller assassin group, Morag Bong.
Taistelukalkkuna what?
God damn it, lol
They be chilled for they serve The Cannabis Spinner, the Daedric Prince of high....add a Little bit of Sanguine there a little Sheogorath here, Azura for the pretty face and daaamn son let the party Begin
God Lord i choke my food after read this coment
And the high elf version. Morag tall
This video was super helpful in understanding the Elder Scrolls lore thanks Fudgemuppet for the great video.
It's not necessarily about killing to destroy being and send it to the void. You said yourself Sithis is a chaos. Chaos is a change. Killing people is about changes. Like killing emperor in Skyrim, that would bring a whole lot of changes to many people. I like to think about Sithis and brotherhood like this. They killing so life and creation can change constantly.
I just spent the last 2 hours delving into the lore as a result of this video, lol. I learned a lot. I love it.
Everything is connected. Just food for thought, In star wars the Jedi and the Sith are the same concept, you can look in any lore or religion or philosophy and find similar ideas. It's not coincidence. Funny enough, the Jedi (at least the word Itself) was based off of an Ancient Egyptian order of peace protectors and keepers of knowledge.
I like to imagine the first dragonbreak being visualized as Auriel just kinda chillin', messing around with his completed rubix cube, then drops it and it shatters with him going, "oop oh fuck, oh FUCK OH FUCK OOPS OOOOPS", whilst frantically trying to piece it back together.
Such a complex world and mythos, I wonder how many hours have gone into developing it in total.
I have joined the Dark Brotherhood in both Oblivion and Skyrim. They are my favorite faction. The whole lore behind the Night Mother and everything involved with them is intersting. Hail Sithis!
I was literally asking myself this question today while playing Skyrim.
There's a cicero quest before the dark brotherhood questline
If you travel along the roads of whitrun near lorious farm you can find cicero transporting the night mother, he gets stuck due to a broken wagon wheel and you have to convince lorious to fix it
Congrats on 500k!
if you guys make a Dagoth Ur vid, i'll be so stoked! make sure to mention Amaranth when you go over dagoth's plans with the Blight
Really liking these videos that lore on point 👌
It's worth noting that Lorkhan seems to have deviated from Sithis by creating rather than destroying, meaning Lorkhan rejected Sithis in favor of his own vision. But that's speculation
Sithis IS Padomay. Just another name for the eldest entity who was before Anu and Magnus, he was the true void, the nonexistence. Not good neither evil, not dark neither light. He is the alpha and will be the omega, but not just of time like alduin was, or of mundus like mehrunes tried to be. Padomay/Sithis is the end of everything: Aedra, Daedra, oblibion, Nirn... even aetherius. He's the primigenial void of TES. You think Hermaeus was creepy? You have seen nothing...
Mora is not creepy, he's my daddy.
Balystik Twilight
Sithis was not before Anu.
Sithis was made after Anui-el.
And neither Anu nor Padomay came first they both just were
With the ESO, we know that those assassinated by the Blade of Woe have their souls sent immediately to the Void, and have seen both a manifestation of Sithis in the form of a wraith and raw Void energy in the form of the Dark Heart in the Arkthzand Caverns of Blackreach under Skyrim
Seems Sithis falls into the same Archetype as Nyarlothep of Lovecraft lore.
do you mean azathoth?
@@sanghelian
No, I mean exactly what I say.
I was just wondering who it was the other day, thank you for this video FudgeMuppet!
I just about died when Padme showed up on my screen asdfghjkl
I think when Sithis created Lorkhan/Shor, he ceased being pure chaos. Being formless would be chaos but having form is order. By becoming Lorkhan he found an order amongst the chaos and adapted the world to it.
The universe is chaos but you can bring a sort of order to it. When he created Mundus it was an attempt to create order, bringing form to a formless dimension. But since chaos is a natural state, there would always be chaos. So where he can, he balances it, he created Sovengard so the dead weren’t cast into the void, he intervened at some points in history, sending his own champions to prevent utter doom to Nirn, taking these champions as his own vessels. Because of him, Talos was born, the Empire was founded, and perhaps even the Last Dragonborn was born as his newest vessel (should you believe the that theory).
Sithis as the Void still exists, if Lorkhan was made to end the universe, he either decided not to fulfill it, or brought an end to the Aedra way of life through creation.
Perhaps this is why Sithis created the Dark Brotherhood, to sow chaos in his son’s precious world.
What an amazing theory!!! I really do love the lore of Sithis and I believe he deserves more spotlight. Seriously all the games talk about akatosh and never about Sithis
The void. The Dread Father. Our true lord, Sithis.
Kinda interesting that the book "Sithis" mentions Hermaeus Mora who, according to the loading screens, is also intrinsically shapeless.
yea i kind of thought that would be significant, as hermaeus mora is knowledge of everything and sithis is nothing, so are they linked, in extreme ends of spectrum or just polar opposites
I feel like one of these days, Sithis will be given a Physical Form for some reason.
I don't think he wants nothing - he wants nothing to stay. Things become corrupted with permanence. He is the dreaming, thoughts, ambitions, forms should exist and fade away. He is like the godhead, all of us a part of it, all of everything part of it, but not forever. A dream, a fancy, an idea, perfect, pure, and then forgotten. Not missed, not mourned, no legacy, no love and no hate, no sad friends or spurned enemies, no trauma passed on, no wounds left in the dirt. Hail Sithis the Dreaming.
Anu-kin and Padomay made the chosen one L'uke Magikawalker.
I love your channel so much Fudge! It’s been an absolute pleasure to listen to. I’ve been subscribed for years and now commenting for the first time. You have such a lovely voice and I’m amazed at the amount of research you put into making these videos. Thank you for all you hard work and commitment to the Elder Scrolls fan community!
I always found it odd how Sithis/Padomay seemed to embody both change and nothingness, whereas Anu was both stasis yet creation. Even weirder was how Lorkhan kind of circumvented that - the Nords seem to revere Shor as a kind of Nietzschian “I will continue to endure existence” type character, while the elves see him as a destroyer? But a destroyer of the nothingness they prefer?
Boy Elder Scrolls is weird. Gotta say, though, if Sithis’ goal is “destroy everthing” then he’s doing a crap job of it. Maybe a giant demon-legion like Dagon’s or Bal’s would be better suited to that than a guild of like 5-100 assassins?
Sithis isn't a thinking being like a daedric prince. It's akin to a storm or a tsunami, destroying whatever it comes into contact with through its vessels (TDB).
Dude your one of UA-cam commentator keep it up dude and love your still doing Skyrim tooo Im still playing today.
I like these little dips into the lore...but you gotta stop trusting it. Remember Bethesda is in love with the unreliable narrator. Everything you see in those lore books could be utter nonsense. Just tales told by savages to explain the weird world around them. That some of those savages have pointed ears and are insufferable in their belief they know what is what is besides the point.
Yeah dualism is intensely illogical.
Except for the fact that the gods etc. all actually exist.
Mom, I told you, it isn't just a phase!!!
Hmm. this is like telling you about the cold of space or TERROR of midnight!
i really like how this was expanded to include things that happen before time, for example I once asked someone why suicide was a sin by the church. yes i know heavy stuff but it gives you a sense of place, in that case the priest never gets to pray for that person. So while he was reading that you are struck by the fact that time does not exist and your dealing with beings with godlike powers.
Gongrats 500K !!!
I get that this is the idea, but it's quite interesting the similarities between the creation of the Universe and the creation of the Elder Scrolls Universe. Basically, Sithis is Dark Energy, trying to stretch out our own Universe
Make a Sithis Cultist Build!!
Yes. this needs to happen. we've seen the tong assassin build, now we need a dark brotherhood one.
Isn't that the mage guy in the Brotherhood? Or at least his clothes
I thought technically, the dark brotherhood are cultist of sithis
Dark brotherhood ancient armor, blade of woe, pearks: sneak 1 handed, light armor, speechcraft. Kill everything and anyone you can get away with.
P.s. more fun then it sounds
Needs to be a ginger since gingers have no souls
I would love to hear about the Iron Orcs and the Split between the Cults of Malacath and Trinimac
if the thalmor believe destroying most things will give them immortality i would believe they are mistaken because if they destroy mundus or whatever the mortal plane is called that means there will be be less something and more nothing if that makes sense, so if there is more nothing wouldnt sithis have more power and be able to create another lorkhan even more powerfull scince so many et ada i think they are called died in the cretion of mundus and thats where all of lorkhan went aswell that means the thalmor would send everything to sithis in destroying the mortal realm in saying all that i believe sithis could make a lorkhan 2.0 with a ton of power all of akatoshs and alduins every fucking mortal except a few glowing yellow bois. hey cheers if you read all that man im huge fan been playing skyrim scince 2011 still watch your videos man
Neat video! Thanks for uploading!
Honestly, I agree with the quote "Nihilism is immature," so I would definitely never side with Sithis.
Nihilism is an absence of belief in anything, not just a lack of religion, nihilism is one of two, active and passive nihilism, one passively waits for the end or destruction of the old, new, and future ways. And the other actively seeks out that same destruction in everything or sometimes even actively acts on or towards that destruction
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Without religion one can find self-made purpose. "Your purpose is your own" is very different from "there is no purpose."
Nihilism is an accurate appraisal of the universe as it is. It's only fault is that despite being true, leads to nothing of use to anyone. It's inconvenient truth at it's most pure, and like that truth, is ultimately futile. It's an impractical philosophy, but not unimportant, and certainly not something to ignore. It's an important concept to grapple with, to come to terms with. You exist, might as well do something worth your limited time on earth while you have it, if only to make yourself happy while living it. That's just one example of a positive outlook while still acknowledging nihilism.
To walk through nihilistic philosophy and come out the other end with something more than nihilism itself is probably the most mature thing someone can do, especially if that person considers truth to be an important concept. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without embracing it.
If you treat nihilism as "there is no value independent of the valuer" then nihilism is trivially true. In fact, religion would not save you from nihilism with this understanding, because religion draws meaning by the judgement of a god, and thus extrinsic.
how is nihilism "immature"? all beliefs and arguments (if founded) have merit. At least that's what I think
Anu created the dream that Padomai wants you to wake up from and forget.
Please make a video on Dagoth Ur! There’s nothing good on UA-cam about this seriously important character..
justdamo nothing good? You've never heard Dagothwave
Happy 500000 mate, hopefully we’ll see you double in the future!
Soooo, he protec? Or he attac?
He *SUCC*
He take your soul an never give it bacc!
Bible Man he DESTROY
He V O I D
But most importantly...
Hey you explained it super well!! Thank you! So much of the creation shit is just... impenetrably dense... but you did great!!
I took it to be a meta joke, The Night Mother created the worship of Sithis, which is eleven for the concept of nothing, and made her own cult, therefor the Darkbrotherhood literally worship nothing. The Night Mother made a false cult and openly admits to it by making it sound like a edgy nihilism cult but in-fact it is just one giant scam. There is no Sithis, because, by it's very nature, Sithis does not exist.
I always love your lore videos, I am just enfatuated with Elder Sceolls lore! Your videos have given me different interpretations than I first thought of! Thank you!
Sithis: I just want some peace and quiet.
The Dark Brotherhood: Hail Sithis!
Sithis: Hail me. "Rolls eyes" At least have Cicero dance for me, he's fun.