You know that any knowledge Mora takes gets forgotten, right? He not only collects kmowledge but takes it away from everyone (mortal or not, shown with even an example here)
Molag Bal has more nicknames than any other daedric prince by a long shot: Lord of Domination The Hideous Lizard-King The King of Corruption The Enslaver of Mortal Souls The Father of all Vampires Lord of Brutality Lord of Troubles Sower of Strife King of R**e Prince of Rage and Lord of Coldharbour With many more variations of most of these
@@EnderLord99 I would argue that the runner-up would be Dagon, Purely because his whole sphere is to be a contrarian to everything that resembles order So while not as twisted or vile as Bal, He is incredibly antagonistic and will always oppose the forces of good
Unlike the "Daedric Prince of Pestilence" and "Prince of Disaster and Destruction" Rope is bad, but plagues can wipe out hundreds of thousands if not millions.
@@olivercharles2930killing is not the final measure of evil. Also, Peryite is involved in the balance of nature, preventing overpopulation or ecosystem collapse. His plagues are a long-term mercy on the world. Would you rather be quickly killed by a Dagon cultist with a crossbow or axe? Or be tortured for years in the most horrific ways before probably being killed or dying from shock anyways? What is more evil?
Some Of Molag Bal's Spheres Are Ok Like Scheming And Pain For Some Reason People Just Keep Going Between The Those Two Spheres Sometimes It Occures And Tamriel Get Into A Domination Game Match In His Sphere And He Likes ItWhen They Do Play That And The Pain Sphere Like That Dunmer Scholar Who Got Socked In The Face By His Sister (Which Is Funny 😂)
@@olivercharles2930 1st place and by far. Merhunes Dagon is as evil as an asteroid, he just wants destruction, plain and simple, so simple in fact that he will most likely leave you alone once dead, Molly is the combination of all crazy dictators ever, with all their evil traits cranked to 11, and wont leave you alone once you died.
I would say 1) Bal 2) Mephala 3) Dagon 4) Boethiah. Dagon absolutely is evil, but he gets a really bad rap (understandably) from the oblivion crisis. Make no mistake Mephala would torment you well past you're expiration, just as Bal would. There is no conceivable situation where she could even be perceived as a force for good, meanwhile, if I were enslaved? Dagon would sound pretty appealing.
@@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860 Dagon doesn't want to just destroy things he's a revolutionary no matter the cost. And In this current Kalpa the states quo hasn't changed since pretty much the first empire. The imperial empire for some reason always ends up on top and that has to be infuriating for him.
So true I have seen them hurt down vampires and kill them for no reason and one attack my dog Barbas and I killed them for it now I have two murder charges on me
@@Sepherina pure evil and they have attacked my dog Barbas for no reason evil no love for the vigilant of Satan stendarr evil and some are vampires and kill for no reason stendarr is evil
@@billytheconqueror5803 In case you haven't realised, the Elder Scrolls universe is written very unambiguously. It's really, quite obvious that 85% of the Daedric princes are definitively evil.
I would switch peryite and clavicus vile. Vile is literally in his name. He isnt just a trictster. His contracts always have a horrid loophole that ends in pain as he revels in their suffering. His quest in skyrim proves it. The vampires wanted a cure to their vampirism... so he sent the dragonborn to kill them. The rueful axe has similar lore. A father wanting a cure for his daughters lycanthropy, and he gave the dad an axe. Peryite may seem bad. But as his khajiit follower explains, "he is the puss in the wound.... but it's pus that drinks foul humors and restores the blood" unlike jygallagg and his rigid unnatural order, peryite is true, natural order. Uncaring yes, but also unbiased. Peryite is easily the most misunderstood. Mortals of tameriel say he is one of the few true evil daedric princes but he is actually just neutral. Doing the dirty jobs that need to be done to keep the world working. Thats why hes a dragon, just like akatosh and his flow of time, they both keep the world going.
Fascinating. I think Pery is a dragon to show that he’s actually the strongest daedric prince because if the akatosh connection. Honestly the storyline could be that peryite has had enough of the mortals of nirn treating him like he’s evil, to the point he turns evil. He could start off as having originally just been there to keep things flowing but turned bitter. I think it’ll be entertaining if Pman just snaps and decides to spread a fat plague and kill a ton of mortals
All of them by there very existence are forces of nature molag unfortunately just has the nature of being lord of grape which rubs pretty much everyone the wrong way
@@Nugundamsisntforshow it's disgusting and makes my stomach turn but there are literal bugs and other life forms where Assault is the main form of reproduction and its horrifying . literally molag bal in nature
@@NugundamsisntforshowBut Mehrunes Dagon is the force of change and rebelion while Molag Bal is the force of violance and gruelity. While the last can help grow as a person, the first is, without a doubt, essential for all life forms because he is the opposite of Stagnation.
Having revolution in his domain would mean that he would be acutely aware of when revolution would be a necessity. This is also why it makes sense that he was in the more neutral stature in the Dunmer view of the Deadric princes
Yeah, every other Daedric prince is for the most part just an embodiment of certain ideas and every other one at least has one thing you can say of them that isn't totally horrible. Not so much for the guy who wants to torture, enslave, defile, mentally torment, deceive, repeatedly murder and revive, and even both physically and morally corrupt everyone and everything in sight. If he had just been officially labeled "Daedric prince of evil things everyone hates," it would fit just as well as the perverse titles he has. I legitimately haven't found a single character anywhere who's quite so thoroughly nasty as that monster.
Molag Bal. No question. Even Boethiah and Dagon aren't quite Bal's degree of twisted. Their tomfoolery is at least done in the name of anarchy, which is I think a lesser evil than a guy whose nicknames include 'Harvester of Souls', 'Lord of Lies', and last but not least, 'King of Grape'.
Anarchy isn't even evil in itself. It's just an enabler. Statistically is very likely that an anarchist ends up doing something evil, but it is possible that they never do. On the flip side, no matter where in the political spectrum you are, there are governments enforcing rules that you consider evil. It's almost the norm to have countries end up with a ruling class that misbehaves. In those cases anarchy fights evil.
Let's not forget Sheogorath's idea of a prank is hurling Baar Dau - a giant f*cking meteorite - at Vivec City, causing the Red Year and exterminating all life on Vvardenfell simply because he was bored... Sheo is capable of evil that'd make most of the other Princes blush, he just masks it well with the whole "Fishstick!" and "Cheese!" shtick.
24 seconds in, I know damn well Molag Bal is gonna be the final answer. He literally has you brutally torture a random fucking wizard with a mace that he used to do things with women that did not consent to those things. Yeah, those types of things.
Mehrunes Dagon nearly ends the fucking world and Peryite can theoretically wipe out tamriel with a plague. Idk if that is better than a guy who focuses on torturing a select few groups, aside from ESO (Where he is pretty much Dagon 2.0)
@olivercharles2930 But these two are more uncaring forces of nature, at least Peryite 100% is one, Dagon is debatable but his role is still that of the revolutionary that stops stagnation above all else, compared to Molag Bal who has no reason to do what he does other than "it amuses me to see people suffer". All the others have a role to fulfill in the world at worst (even if that role is the very non glamorous "spread diseases so that populations get culled and problems don't arise"), Molag Bal is just a sadistic force of evil, he has no motives or reason to exist other than causing suffering
@@olivercharles2930 You know who else almost ended the world? Mehrunes Dagon isn't evil, he is revolution. Sometimes that is bad, but other times he is the exact Daedric Prince needed. Dagon wasn't intent on destroying the world, just upsetting the status quo, which is why a lot of people say that he was successful in Oblivion. Even if he didn't destroy Tamriel, he caused immense change and a complete shift of the world stage. It is directly thanks to Dagon that the Empire is not the juggernaut it once was by the time of Skyrim. Peryite is arguably a good daedra because he does do plagues, yeah, but he is also the man behind the curtain. We don't know what the extent of his duties are, but signs point to him being the one that ensures the world keeps spinning. He does things that go unnoticed because he is the opposite of Dagon, his job is ensuring the status quo, the natural order, is maintained. Molag Bal is suffering incarnate. He doesn't "focus on torturing a select few groups" even his own followers are subject to his whims.
Sanguine should be way higher in my opinion. Bethesda is just afraid to portray him anything more than a drunk fun uncle, hiding his dark lore in obscure books. For example, to the Ayleids, Sanguine was known as the Blood-Made-Pleasure. Those from the kingdoms that worshipped the more malevolent Daedric Princes were known to indulge in the pleasures of art-torture, such as flesh-sculpting and gut-gardening. An ancient Ayleid manuscript of Eldhaal the Inducer describes him being overseen and guided by Sanguine in these heinous arts
@@oliverp3545imo slaanesh is worse than the drukhari. At least when the drukhari turn you into a skin couch they kill you first, slaanesh keeps you alive, forever. Drukhari is much more fitting for him
Meridia: wants to spread her influence of light, wants to purge the world of dark magic and necromancy.. BUT was also complicit in aiding the Alyeids in enslavement of mortal races, and aiding Umaril the Unfeathered (a powerful sorcerer-king), by giving him vast magical power to aid his is conquest, and protected him from permanent death by Pelinal Whitestrake. Jyggalag: lawful-neutral, but order, HIS order is considered paramount. While this might not seem like a big deal for mortals in Tamriel, the real threat is in the Shivering Isles, and other daedric realms. Those who don't immediately comply with his authority are quickly killed by him or his followers. It sounds dystopian, and that's because it is. Sanguine: the 'dude-bro' of the princes, he is a skilled manipulator, and subtly condemns mortals in a life of self destruction through their vices, 'the darker impulses'. and revels in it. as in he would complicit in getting a hard working family man addicted to skooma, and watch him tear his family apart, trying to acquire more. Sheogorath: chaotic-neutral. Where Jyggalag wants to impose order upon anything he comes into direct contact with (daedric realms), Sheogorath is more dedicated to keeping the escapism alive, the ability to allow minds to wander. This prince doesn't revel so much in the suffering of others, but the course of actions mortals pursue the conclusion of their problems; often thinking outside the box in outrageous fashion. This can be seen in the myths in how he 'created' instruments, or challenged Hircine in creating the deadliest creature. While Sheogorath would be capable of causing much suffering and destruction in Tamriel, if he dedicated himself, he is not the conquering type, and probably undermine the nature of his sphere. Peryite: There's one thing to mention here, Peryite is also the daedric prince of the Natural Order, and not just disease and pestilence. He doesn't revel in the suffering of mortals, but his afflictions contribute more as a more subtle culling to the mortal population, to help serve the status quo. Whereas Meridia is supposed to be the embodiment of light and life energy (in a more proactive stance in opposing the undead), Peryite represents illnesses (both fatal and non-fatal), and the natural shaping of the world, without the fanfare and flourish that other princes like to employ. His influence is tied to the average day-to-day life of mortals; where other princes are too ego driven to carrying out these mundane tasks, Peryite dutifully carries them out. Would classify as a true neutral figure. Mehrunes Dagon: He is.. an interesting one. Dagon is best attributed to being a force of nature, and this would make sense, as natural disasters are attributed to his sphere. Where Molag Bal is the god of enslavement and oppression, Mehrunes Dagon is the embodiment of revolution; a sense of hope which is yearned for, but corrupted. I would make one comment here: Mehrunes Dagon is not wholly evil (at least when compared to Bal), as within him, his influence is tied to flipping a political establishment on its head; he opposes the very notion of tyranny, giving the misfortunate and the downtrodden to rise in rank and status. His conquests also not entirely enacted by him on his own, but by cunning, and ambitious mortal supporters. Mankar Cameron comes to mind on this subject, with his Mythic Dawn cult seeking to replace the rulership of the Septim dynasty.
Ty~! Was just about to say very much all of this; especially the comments on Meridia, her propaganda works far too well so those who only know her from quests etc see the deity of anti-undead and being cool, while those who know any lore know her as the deity who sponsored the genocide of the nedes, the encouragement of the erasure of self-will and slavery so harsh the ‘property’ isn’t considered alive. Her acts put her as the ‘light mode’ Molag, the pair should share first place. Also happy on your comments on Dagon; very much /not/ an evil guy by his nature, but acts evil now because of the abuse of the magna ge destroying what remains of the previous Kalpas that he held and hid to protect the lives of what he loved, and that changed his nature towards destruction, but still wants to claim Tamriel to prevent it being lost at the end of time
@@Lailalae The Knights of the Nine was a real eye opener for me, the first time I played that DLC. At first, I didn't think Meridia was all that bad (she has some noble qualities I'll admit). But then when you hear about Umaril the Unfeathered, the Ayleids and their reverence of Meridia, and then it hits. That she's not as noble as she makes herself out to be. 'Light mode Molag' is not too far from the truth. 😅
I'd argue Peryite is more in line with a prince like Hermeus Mora, he's closer to true neutral. One of his biggest values is natural order, and he considers his plagues to be blessings, it's like one of his followers says in skyrim, "Proper ones curl their noses, but it's pus that drinks foul humors and restores the blood. I worship Peryite, yes, because sometimes the world can only be cleansed by disease."
Definitely Meridia, while he will break and abuse you; you’ll still be yourself. While she’ll bombard and abuse you into becoming an empty shell of obedience and mindlessness
@@pb-nb6tj That pfp genuinely revolts me and I don't even know why. I have an extension that basically blows images up if I hover of them, and... that gave me a slight scare.
@@etcetera1995, You missed the point entirely... he doesn't think.. he just does everything on whim because of his impulsiveness. Every plan he creates is going to be at that moment created and then enacted. If he waits too long, he'll be distracted by something else.
Malacath at 10th place is such a judging a book by its cover choice. He's spurned by everyone else because of what he looks like and SEEMS to represent. But he doesn't really have a record of wrongly attacking anyone, even people who make him mad rarely actually face his wrath. He puts misfortune on the tribe in Skyrim out of tough love and it's clear that he pushes the chief to either die or improve, not to permanently curse everyone in the tribe just cause. He represents pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and bettering yourself by challenge, even in Dunmeri religion, where he is considered evil, he lacks much of an any malice and represents the harsheness of nature(showing that the Dunmer don't really understand the Daedra very well, cause that should be Peryite). In Morrowind he tells you to kill the descendant of a person who stole the credit of his orcish partner, which said descendant admits happened, in Oblivion he simply tasks you with freeing ogres, some of his followers, and in Skyrim he doesn't task you with anything, but does reward you when you end up doing all the work. 100% good guy, just ugly.
Also, he cursed the clans that caused the First Orsinium to collapse, and praised the clans that united the people, and teamed up to build the kingdom.
I came to talk about Mehrunes Dagon, who, i recently learned used to be a pretty OK guy for a Daedric Prince and embodied Hope and Change as well as Revolution. After he was basically cursed into an eternal rage by Alduin, he was never the same. He became more warlike and furious with the status quo. His presense is a necessity, for without him, stagnation and complacency would eventually take the whole world.
Jyggalag at 14? The Enemy of Freedom? The Prince who desires to remove all free-will from every sentient being in the universe and transform them into his mindless Grey Knights? My favorite Prince he might be, but he shouldn't be any lower then third for that.
Eh.... Look at it from a slightly different angle and it's definitely not based out of ill intent or evil. With no (or less) free will, no entity would willingly hurt another out of madness, malice, or anything in between. Millions wouldn't lose everything in war. The races of Nirn wouldn't do unspeakably evil acts to each other, and other various positives from people not having the will to exploit or harm one another either physically, emotionally, or otherwise. In a sense, it could be considered a kindness. It would be more mundane, and a completely stagnant world, but it's not done out of hatred from Jyggalag's point of view, it's more of a mercy towards all mortal creatures. A duty to be the force in the world that keeps Nirn from destroying itself. That's why he's not higher. He doesn't celebrate and revel in the suffering of others for his own amusement.
@@krislynn5965 I'm not sure you understand what Jygallag successfully implementing his Grey March across all of Mundus entails. The people he turns into his Grey Knights aren't still there inside the shell of the knight, waiting to be released, watching what's happening. Everything about them is completely wiped away. Their personality and memories are erased. Their physical body re-made, because Jygallag will tolerate nothing less 100% uniformity. He will genocide every Man, Mer, Khajiit, Argonian, etc. Every life form that exists, he will bring it to Order. That he isn't doing it to be mean doesn't change the end result.
Diddy forces or blackmails people into it, Sanguine is about enjoying the debauchery, sin, and excess, not enforcing it, like a nicer version of Slaanesh from Warhammer, using force to gain sexual gratification is more Molag's domain.
I don't think they are actually Diddy Parties because that would infringe on Molly Balling's domain, and I don't think he would let that slide. Sanguine looks to be purely consensual debauchery where all parties involved simply go all out on their deepest and darkest desires, but they all agree to whatever happens next
Molag Bal is the definition of Evil. With every other Daedric Prince, you can argue they have some redeeming quality. - Mephala teaches you the art of striking from the shadow. Some battles cannot be won with strength alone. Steal, lie, stab in the back. Use these things if you wish to survive. - Malacath is the patron God of traditionalist Orcs. He favors those with Courage and Honor. To run away from your opponent in glorious battle, will invoke his wrath. But, Molag Bal? I genuinely cannot think of one redeeming quality. He is the polar opposite of everything good. His realm, his actions. All this things combined make him the most terrifying being in the world.
@@-----Alcatraz------ maybe Authority ? That is the only thing i can think of that is good about him And even then that is a little iffy Because that includes its abuse
The list is ranked (mostly) on effect and not intention. Yes, a Nirn under Meridia's absolute control wouldn't be "good", but as it stands, she serves a good counter force to necromancy, undead and other threats to life. Same reason why Peryite is so high on the list when he's just a chill dude.
The funny thing about meridia is she's incredibly arrogant and believes that mortals should just serve her without any expectation of reward. She only rewards you if you are directly relevant to her plans and desires
When folks (understandably) think - 'ah, Meridia.. Chill daedric prince who hates undead.' then go on forgetting she was the chief patron of by far the most sadistic race on Tamriel. Sure they worshipped other gods like Molag Bal, but no one championed the aylied cause like Meridia even lending endless daedric hordes of her aurorans to fight the war against the Nedes & allies. Yeah, she seems chill for the most part, but she does have that very dark history & most certainly HAS NOT CHANGED FOR THE BETTER. Simply doesn't have her chosen sickos to host. I'd probably swap her with Hircine. Sure he's responsible for lycanthropy, but he didn't unleash it as a plague, but rather as a gift which he bestows to those he deems worthy of it. Lycanthropy aside tho, he is certainly whom I'd consider the most 'honest' of the princes. In that he doesn't scheme, plot or backstab sorta thing
Yeah, and remember people: Umaril the Unfeathered as Meridia's champion. The same murderous, enslaving monster that massacred the temples of the Divines was the emissary to one of the goodest Daedra.
And the Ayleids were not just "some" slavers, the shit they did to their slaves is something else. Even the Dwemer (you know, the guys who transformed the Snow Elves into the Falmers we see in Skyrim) were not as cruel.
the Ayleids weren't a unified peoples, not all Ayleids worshipped Meridia, but mostly those in the very heartlands (the Imperial city), as well as some other cities such as Nenelata. Just like in the city states of the ancient world, they would fight with each other due to differing values. The worst slavers were in cities were Molag Bal was worshipped. The gut gardens, etc, were also located in those cities. Cities in which primarily Meridia was worshipped did not accept nor endorse such practices, after all, Meridia is Molag Bal's greatest enemy. Umaril was a champion of Meridia, yes, and his main objective was to not let the Ayleids succumb to genocide. He was much less evil than many think.
Personally I'm a fan of Mehrune's razor for favourite design, but Molag's mace is DEFINITELY a close second. I'll be honest I think like 90% of that might just be that i use the razor far more
I don't think Mehrunes Dagon is really "evil", destruction isn't really inherently an evil thing. When I hear how he's the daedric prince of revolution, change, and ambition as well as destruction that says to me that he can be a force for positive change rather than just negative, like maybe as a patron for revolution against an oppressive regime which necessitates destruction for a better future for its people.
Revolutions rarely create change that betters the people, usually revolutions only achieve replacing a guy who was a slight d**k with a guy who makes that previous slight d**k guy look like a saint in comparison.
@@capadociaash8003Precisely! Nature doesn't care about you one way or the other. Personally, I still love nature, but I'm not under the delusion that it's some kind of peaceful utopia
@@hazmat4629 I swore at the end of Shivering Isles Jyggalag goes off to do his own thing and the player takes the mantle or whatever of Sheogorath. So he could be causing some order during the events of Skyrim or the next game.
Def disagree with Peryite being put in the purely evil category. He's described in different sources as "The Task Master", while yes disease is in his portfolio and is oft the thing that is most known about him, he also does not seem to posses any degree of malice. He's more of a neutral, survival of the fittest type than an evil spreader of disease and pain. Edit: Also, Jyggalag has no business being as high as he is, we've seen what his brand of "order is all about. His followers literally become mindless thralls with literally zero free will. His perfect order is pure stasis, no change, all is ordered and neat and that's how it will be for all of forever, that's why all the other daedric prince's ganged up on him, he's just that dangerous. In TSO, neither order nor chaos are truly good or evil, they are cosmic forces that if made imbalanced would prove catastrophic for all of reality.
Exactly! Miss Filth (not gonna bother trying to spell her name) is the one who seems to get a kick out the suffering diseases cause. Along with cannibalism of course, her favorite hobby. She's basically the patron of prionic diseases like Kuru and mad cow...
@@cyanidenightshade well, im not the most knowledgeable on the subject. put i personally see them closer to opposites, if Jyggalag could achieve order with undead minions, machines or any other unthinking servant, he would, this makes him seem uninterested with life. on the other hand Meridia is an enemy to undead and as a result any kind of stagnation. in this way you could almost consider her a god of life. so i'd say she's mostly good, and almost opposite to Jyggalag, who would allow stagnation to persist.
Uninteresting question because it's Bal almost by definition. "What is the good in each Prince" is more interesting; For example, Molag Bal created soul gems, and as the Prince of Domination, any conquest, good or bad, can be attributed in some small part to Molag Bal. The evil in Meridia and Azura isn't hard to find superficially, but their esoteric evil may be more interesting than just "they're kinda mean!" Azura is presented as a deity of fate, but we see that because she is fallible and finite, that cannot be. Combined with the details of Moonshadow (it clouds the senses of mortals) and the _entire plot of Morrowind,_ one might surmise that her true sphere is the obfuscation of truth and equivocation between fiction and reality. Necromancy/necromancers and the undead aren't inherently evil (just "icky" and unpleasant, sort of like Namira's cannibal followers, who in the greater context of the setting are not particularly better or worse than the average meat-eater, hinted at in the aedric religion of the bosmer), and in Mannimarco's ideology we can find a pretty comprehensive defense of necromancy and condemnation of those who defend the _sanctity of death,_ disguising it as defence of the sanctity of life. In fact, we see undercurrents of hypocrisy and general rulebreaking anywhere Meridia is explored more fully- A princess exiled for breaking caste, a Prince who bans mortals from her realm yet broke with daedric standards by welcoming a small enclave of mortals into her realm and transforming them into daedra, protecting the sanctity of life (as life-energy) by ordering the destruction of those who cling to life. Similar to the thematic elements of obfuscation associated with Azura, we even see, for example, multiple references to Meridia ruling Coldharbor or swapping places with Molag Bal, her archenemy and the realm most directly opposite her apparent values. Also Meridia is never explicitly said to have consorted with daedra before her exile. The phrasing is "consorting with illicit spectra," which is commonly interpreted out of context as "working with" (or sleeping with) "daedra," but "spectra" can mean both "spirits" and "bands or segments of the continuum of wavelengths of light," which is significant because the caste system of the Magna Ge is based on colours of light, and the most logical conclusion is that Meridia broke the caste system of the Magna Ge by consorting with a different colour of light. The Magna Ge as a whole have dealt with or even created Daedric princes and other Padomaic entities, so that wouldn't make much sense as the reason for Meridia's exile.
19:10 a bit obscure lore, and can be debatable if its canon or not, but in the "Skyrim - The Adventure" Board Game (official), it is revealed that a cult of Boethiah is responsible for kindling the fires of the Skyrim Civil War, and it is a kind of a ritual in name of Boethiah
@@Zay-y6m Yeah I Agree. It makes the conflict more complicated than it needs to be, also its messing with lore that doesn't really need to be messed with. The civil war lore is one of the best written in TES V (not the actual questline, but the lore behind the war, including great war, thalmor, white-gold concordat, Ulfric's character, Rikke, etc.). It's so good it keeps getting discussed to this day, there really is no need to put Boethiah and a Dunmer cult (they are explicity Dunmer in the board game, so maybe not related to the thalmor) in the middle of it.
The Ge in Mangna-Ge is like ghee every time I've heard it said out loud, but this one really is one of those toss up names in ES that you could probably pronounce as you like. Don't think we've ever had an officially voiced line that contains this name, and if we have, I missed it.
Most people would say Molag Bal or Mehrunes Dagon but I would say Jyggalag. Jyggalag was so powerful and so influential that all the other princes banded together just to oppose him which is absolutely crazy when you realize the other Daedric princes regularly engage in petty rivalry and practice feudalism all the time. They were so intimidated and hateful of Jyygalag in particular that the other princes really had no choice but to cooperate against him and the enemy of my enemy is my friend after all. It's also worth noting that Jyygalag has an extremely bad obsessive-compulsive disorder, so bad in fact that he wanted to end reality as we know it just because of the imperfections. To say Jyggalag is a dangerously powerful force of both narcissistic and nihilistic genocide would be an incredible understatement and it's no surprise why he is often described as being the most powerful Daedric prince.
@@sneezyfido Exactly, power doesn't always equal character. And I don't recall him wanting to end reality, more so like to change it in the image he sees fit, perfection, logical decision.
Molag bal on the other hand, he does what he does for the sake of causing as much sorrow as possible...no other reason. With Jyggalag there might be people who are inclined to agree to his vision, no worries, everything is certain. With Molag Bal none will be happy should mundus become his domain, not even the vampires, they will all be his slave to be tortured
@alfieshepherd6522 but does he? It looks to me like he wants to change the nature of reality. But they all want that in some manner. His is just a bit more black and white. And the cheese parties when he takes a moment to unwind! They are to die for! A Ha Ha Ho!
Hircine (my favorite daedra) is by far one of the most neutral. He doesnt have a moral stance on anything. His followers can be good or evil. You can be a perfect paladin of the light and worship the Nine, so long as you engage in "hunting" and embrace nature.
Dagon isn’t actually evil. While his sphere may contain destruction, it’s all for the purpose of change and growth. The best way to put it is to compare him to a volcano. While it can destroy everything, it can quickly make the land even better. When a follower asked him why he destroys his own plane of oblivion he said that’s just what he has to do for change
Ok same, except I'd still pick Azura first, then Hircine. As far as "gods" go, he isn't that bad. The only real downside is you could end up finding yourself trapped forever being hunted by werewolves. I might have just typed myself into picking Azura, then Shor, then Hircine. Or, you know, none of them.
I’d like to remind that Sanguine is the type to essentially drive you deeper and deeper into excess until only he can provide you enough, and when even that starts to become not enough, he will abandon you. Malacath I honestly believe his sphere over the spurned and ostracized would cover orphans. Those left behind by society and told to fend for themselves. I wonder if an orphan child were found by an orc tribe, would they take the child in? Perhaps a tough life, but one ultimately to make them stronger. Peryite’s sphere of order over the lower planes it more a striking of the natural order. As such, he’s actually advantaged to not meddle as directly in the affairs of mortals. His plans are small. His diseases are survivable. He’s pulling strings in the back, to maintain order. Funny enough, supposedly if Alduin succeeded and devoured the world, Peryite would stand firmly in Akatosh’s place upon the formation of the next Kalpa. Considering that 4 letter word Molag is associated with…what do you think the likelihood of his mace being used a certain way if you’re brave enough?
Namira isn't the daedric prince of the arachnids and insects, but Mephala is. And Meridia, who is also a horrid daedric prince should not be at 17, that vile being is about as wicked as Molag Bal
Sheogorath is a force of change, shaking up the stagnant state of Mortals and their world. This makes room for new things ,including music ,which was said to be his, admittedly roughly created, gift to mortals in one story. He is also a humbler of the arrogant in other stories, including Hircine .I see him as neither completely good or completely evil.
Malacath is not in the middle. He’s easily one of the best. He shows little interest in messy with mortals and his sphere is all about looking out for the underdogs. Totally undeserved that middle spot. Sanguine is definitely worse.
its odd to me that merida is considered to be kinda good actually by the mortals of nirn seeing as shes essentially the same as molag bal, they're two sides of the same, evil, no free will coin
Molag Bal is much uglier, both literally and figuratively, though. Meridia might be slightly evil because she's enormously detached and may not realize the evil she's doing. Molag Bal not only doesn't care, but seems to be a sadistic monster.
It's convenient for mortals that Meridia happens to share in their disgust for undead. However, it should not be assumed that this one coincidence somehow implies that her intentions are benevolent or that her views on other aspects will align with mortalkind.
Meridia’s evil is mostly by negligence - yes she wants to assert her will over all mortals, but her obsession with unearth means that she wills leave most free will intact through simply not caring. That’s how most of the worst shit attributed to her worshippers happened: the Ayelids praised her all while doing some truly horrific crimes against nature, but since they weren’t necromancy she was happy to keep on blessing them.
I definitely called the top 2, even if I couldn't keep their names straight until the end. I knew they were both 2 part names that start with M. But in my head I was like, "#2 is the one who did Oblivion, #1 is the one who did vampires and not respecting 'boundaries.'" You know what I mean. I don't know if explicit comments are bad or not. Anyway I liked the video and subscribed. This is the 2nd video I've seem in a week where the BG music volume jumped to ridiculous volume after a while.
I think you nailed the ranking. There were moments where I scratched my head a bit, but with the explanation that the ranking takes into account how impactful the princes are or try to be, this makes total sense. I've only played Skyrim of all the ES games, and as a result, I would probably rank Hermaeus Mora as more evil than Sanguine for what he did to the Skaal Chief, but I understand the other games probably provide a better perspective on these figures as a whole.
Damn. Kind of a noob here when it comes to Elder Scrolls lore. Didn’t realize how messed up Molag Bal was. I knew he was bad, but then I saw all the comments predicting him at number one, and after watching the video, I understand a little better why. Cool video!
I’d put malacath before hircine and hermaeus mora, as he has some rules and seems to care enough about his followers. I’d definitely go Malacath-> Sanguine-> Hermaeus Mora-> Hircine. Sanguine might be malevolent, but he mostly just wants to play pranks, vs Hermaeus Mora’s indifference to mortals often sees him expend them for his own pursuits.
I think sanguine is so much worse than you let on. From the UESP: “Sanguine, known to his worshippers as the Lord of Revelry,[1]:293 Blood-Made-Pleasure,[2] and he who tastes the Shaven Fruit,[3] is a Daedric Prince whose sphere is hedonistic revelry, debauchery, wild orgies, and passionate indulgences of darker natures.[4][5]:11 As the Daedra Prince of Lust, Perversity, and Unnatural Sexual Relations, anything in excess is his motto.[6] So yeah even the briefest of google searches shows how bad he can actually be. He tempts people into being the darkest versions of themselves possible, and will absolutely ruin your life if you give him the chance.
Thats a really religious take on evil. I wouldn't agree. For you can resist temptation. You are not forced to do these things. With a strong mind you can absolutely ignore him. Other Daedric princes on the other hand,.. you got no choice. Madness, Disease, Murder, Grape, ... etc you can't really escape or choose to ignore. Same with Clavicus, you dont HAVE to take his deals. Everytime you got a CHOICE, the evil is upon you and not the prince. But thats just my humble mortal opinion.
Sanguine resembles the devil for a reason. His MO is the temptation of mortals to forgo their inhibitions and better judgement. It might start with "just one more drink" but before you know it, ur in a methed out frenzy. The only limitation is your imagination
0:44 realy? One who cursed a whole people? :D Might just be opinion based, but I would put Jyggalag or Meridia both have pretty much done noting in the main elder scrolls games that I am aware of? Which makes them better then someone might be nice to some people or curse a whole race from the actions of 3 of them... :P
Meridia was the patron deity of the Ayleids... the same people who enslaved and brutalized all of humanity for centuries... she also literally enslaves her champions and most devout followers... Also, Jyggalag is the god of "perfect order," aka: absolute oppression...
@@grimm_satisfaction1292I'm seconding your opinion, azura may have cursed the chimer but only with dark skin and red eyes, which would later be beloved features of the dunmer. She also only did this following the betrayal of Nerevar by the tribunal, not unlike how original sin works in Christianity. Adam and Eve betrayed God so now all of humanity has original sin, the tribunal betrayed Nerevar and now all the dunmer have dark skin. except the dunmer don't have to cleanse themselves of their curse to be beloved by azura.
@@grimm_satisfaction1292 I would argue that Meridia backing the Ayelids was an amoral but not immoral choice by Meridia. From, the distant disinterested point of view of a Daedic Prince, the Ayelid War is just a regular conflict between mortals. Some of the Aedra backed the humans so why shouldn't she back the elves?
Meridia is far more evil than you suggested. A) She HATES mortals that have free will. B) Her champion, Umeril, literally ran an insanely cruel slave empire with her blessing, and she even continued to help him in Oblivion. She's almost on par with Molag Bal imo.
I'd say Sanguine is tied with Molag Bal, if not worse, given their sphere of influence and some lore entries. Molag Bal's schtick is to _dominate_ his victims; Sanguine is all about enjoying inflicting suffering. The former is likely to stop once the victim is broken and submits fully. The latter would continue inventing new ways to have fun.
I just finished questing through the Summerset Isles on my Khajiit arcanist this week, second time in all (first time back when it came out). And it makes me really unsure about Nocturnal. With the Skyrim story alone, she's exactly how you described her. But holy hell - if her ploy at the Crystal Tower would have worked, she wouldn't just have remade reality in her image. She would have become unstoppable, a being spanning across all realities (since the tower is revealed to exist in all realities). And she did doublecross Mephala and Clavicus too. Not that this is bad - those two are not exactly benevolent. But I think this is along with Ithelias return the moment where reality and existence was in danger the most in any Elder Scrolls story. Maybe with Alduin as no 3.
Sheogorath is not evil. He's chaotic, but he's not evil. Sure he'll probably turn your lungs into a literal block of cheese then play your rectum like a tuba, but its all in the name of madness and chaos. Kast i checked sheer chaos and wanton madness isnt really evil as just... Existence. Existence is unpredictable, and hes just that.
☝This. Sheogorath is about unpredictability, and escapism. Challenging what is seen as the norm, and allowing minds to wander. He isn't motived solely on inflicting suffering, but usually a desire to make others question why the man who entered the tavern is wearing a raw, plump, hollowed-out chicken as pants, and an Eidar cheese wheel on their head. Some call it crazy, while that guy might call it 'travelling rations'.
Discounting reality in a universe based on fundamental principles of law and order is pretty evil for us as mortals. I have found chaos and disorder to be dual principles that have caused me a lot of pain in my life. If someone was to be about that and not consider the effects of that chaos on me, I would consider that a violent and evil act.
Then you haven't read the books. Sheogorath doesn't just welcome lunatics into his realm. He revels in making people go mad by subjecting them to horrible trauma or straight up cursing them with madness.
Dagon is, no contest to molag’s evil Dagon is at face value incredibly bad, but his sphere is revolution. It’s an act of usurping, not murder. While death follows in his wake, it’s not what he’s about. Meanwhile Molag sadistically holds onto the mortals he finds and not to mention his daedric quests are brutal.
@MankarCameron I am saying I’d prefer him to Molag kinda. Dagon is hope, revolution, which fueled by oblivion’s chaotic nature makes him destructive. It is a personal theory that you used his sphere of revolution to usurp the old you into a dragonborn… But that’s just a theory
Meridia should be much, much higher on the list. She gives the airs of a mostly benevolent being, but she is Molag Bal's equal. The yin to his yang. Molag Bal seeks control and domination through torture and abuse, yet always gives his victims the chance to fight back, to reclaim power over their own lives. Meridia also seeks control and domination, but she does this in the much more "kind" act of stripping her vassles of all free will, leaving them empty husks that follow her commands. Bal revels in the darkness that inspires obedience. Meridia in the light that purges free will. Bal champions the dead, showing even death isn't a freedom from domination. Meridia the living, arguing all life belongs to her to do with as she pleases. They may antagonize one another, but they're also lovers (or whatever constitutes lovers among immortal monsters) and see each other as half of a greater whole.
One tried conquering all of Tamriel and it wasn't Meridia, saying she's equal to him is abdurd. Bad? Whaterver. Equal? Lmao. And lovers??? Where the heck did you get that from?
Mora failing to erase a dangerous daedric prince because of his obsessive hoarding knowledge is pretty ironic even if the danger only came from the prince being extremely powerful.
For him, the destruction of knowledge is not just blasphemy, but simply an impossible concept. After all, every single Daedra is just a junkie, and each one is addicted to his own crap. This is the other side of their way of thinking. On the one hand, they all see the world much wider than any mortal, but they cannot change the paradigm of thinking. And Mora, too, couldn't go against his nature, although he's the smartest of the Daedra.
Sorry about the music at the end lads, missed that in editing. My bad 🫶🏻
Wasnt too bad. But understandable lol
magna gay lol. no skin off my bones but if you want to be correct its magna G-E you say the whole E at the end
it was a little loud not going to lie but other then that this is a well made video. 9/10
@@Ed_man_talking9 Uhm, it is magna homosexual.
You know that any knowledge Mora takes gets forgotten, right? He not only collects kmowledge but takes it away from everyone (mortal or not, shown with even an example here)
open video, comment "Molag Balls", close video
Hector Salamanca walks up to a Molag Bal worshipper "I want to see your Balls"
That's what I came here to do.
molag
molag what?
molagagging dese balls in yo jaw
cringe
Ya beat me to it m8. Damnit.
Exactly what I did. Saw the title and thought "probably the one that tortures and rapes people as a shtick"
Honestly the title should be
"Who is the most evil daedric prince that isnt Molag Bal?"
Molag Bal has more nicknames than any other daedric prince by a long shot:
Lord of Domination
The Hideous Lizard-King
The King of Corruption
The Enslaver of Mortal Souls
The Father of all Vampires
Lord of Brutality
Lord of Troubles
Sower of Strife
King of R**e
Prince of Rage
and Lord of Coldharbour
With many more variations of most of these
Boethiah, probably
Huh. Apparently not.
@@EnderLord99 I would argue that the runner-up would be Dagon,
Purely because his whole sphere is to be a contrarian to everything that resembles order
So while not as twisted or vile as Bal,
He is incredibly antagonistic and will always oppose the forces of good
@@cosmicfails2053contrarian to order would be chaos.
I imagine the dude who calls himself the “KING OF RAPE” would be the most evil
Unlike the "Daedric Prince of Pestilence" and "Prince of Disaster and Destruction"
Rope is bad, but plagues can wipe out hundreds of thousands if not millions.
@@olivercharles2930considering he’s big on snuff, I’d argue he’s about equivalent in terms of deaths
@@olivercharles2930killing is not the final measure of evil. Also, Peryite is involved in the balance of nature, preventing overpopulation or ecosystem collapse. His plagues are a long-term mercy on the world.
Would you rather be quickly killed by a Dagon cultist with a crossbow or axe? Or be tortured for years in the most horrific ways before probably being killed or dying from shock anyways? What is more evil?
Some Of Molag Bal's Spheres Are Ok Like
Scheming And Pain For Some Reason People Just Keep Going Between The Those Two Spheres Sometimes It Occures And Tamriel Get Into A Domination Game Match In His Sphere And He Likes ItWhen They Do Play That And The Pain Sphere Like That Dunmer Scholar Who Got Socked In The Face By His Sister (Which Is Funny 😂)
@@olivercharles2930 plagues are indiscriminate. Rape is personal. That's so much worse
Calling Molag Bal.
I mean he is a sadist, r*%ist, and elitist. Plus, he...know to Serana.
Same. Gotta be.
*aka king of rape lmfaooo
Molag "I likes ya and I wants ya pretty girl" Bal
Yeah it's gotta
*_I love how no matter how much we argue about most of the princes' placements, we can all agree where good old Molly B. belongs._*
2nd place
@@olivercharles2930 1st place and by far. Merhunes Dagon is as evil as an asteroid, he just wants destruction, plain and simple, so simple in fact that he will most likely leave you alone once dead, Molly is the combination of all crazy dictators ever, with all their evil traits cranked to 11, and wont leave you alone once you died.
I would say 1) Bal 2) Mephala 3) Dagon 4) Boethiah. Dagon absolutely is evil, but he gets a really bad rap (understandably) from the oblivion crisis. Make no mistake Mephala would torment you well past you're expiration, just as Bal would. There is no conceivable situation where she could even be perceived as a force for good, meanwhile, if I were enslaved? Dagon would sound pretty appealing.
@@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860 Dagon doesn't want to just destroy things he's a revolutionary no matter the cost. And In this current Kalpa the states quo hasn't changed since pretty much the first empire. The imperial empire for some reason always ends up on top and that has to be infuriating for him.
@@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860 No offense but what tf
Vigilant of Stendarr has entered the chat.
"They're all evil ! "
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So true I have seen them hurt down vampires and kill them for no reason and one attack my dog Barbas and I killed them for it now I have two murder charges on me
They aren't evil. Just very righteous
@@Sepherina pure evil and they have attacked my dog Barbas for no reason evil no love for the vigilant of Satan stendarr evil and some are vampires and kill for no reason stendarr is evil
@@billytheconqueror5803 In case you haven't realised, the Elder Scrolls universe is written very unambiguously. It's really, quite obvious that 85% of the Daedric princes are definitively evil.
I would switch peryite and clavicus vile. Vile is literally in his name. He isnt just a trictster. His contracts always have a horrid loophole that ends in pain as he revels in their suffering. His quest in skyrim proves it. The vampires wanted a cure to their vampirism... so he sent the dragonborn to kill them. The rueful axe has similar lore. A father wanting a cure for his daughters lycanthropy, and he gave the dad an axe.
Peryite may seem bad. But as his khajiit follower explains, "he is the puss in the wound.... but it's pus that drinks foul humors and restores the blood" unlike jygallagg and his rigid unnatural order, peryite is true, natural order. Uncaring yes, but also unbiased. Peryite is easily the most misunderstood. Mortals of tameriel say he is one of the few true evil daedric princes but he is actually just neutral. Doing the dirty jobs that need to be done to keep the world working. Thats why hes a dragon, just like akatosh and his flow of time, they both keep the world going.
Fascinating. I think Pery is a dragon to show that he’s actually the strongest daedric prince because if the akatosh connection. Honestly the storyline could be that peryite has had enough of the mortals of nirn treating him like he’s evil, to the point he turns evil. He could start off as having originally just been there to keep things flowing but turned bitter. I think it’ll be entertaining if Pman just snaps and decides to spread a fat plague and kill a ton of mortals
Also did you know peryite will be akatosh in the next kulps? All the aedra and deadra swap around each cycle and they will switch places
@@matthewmusco2581 I like that idea Matt
That's it Peryite handles all the dirty work that keeps the world flowing
@@CoperliteConsumer where do we get that info? It’s an interesting idea
Mehruns dagon to me is more a force of nature than anything...
Molag bal on the other hand
All of them by there very existence are forces of nature molag unfortunately just has the nature of being lord of grape which rubs pretty much everyone the wrong way
@@Nugundamsisntforshow it's disgusting and makes my stomach turn but there are literal bugs and other life forms where Assault is the main form of reproduction and its horrifying . literally molag bal in nature
@@NugundamsisntforshowBut Mehrunes Dagon is the force of change and rebelion while Molag Bal is the force of violance and gruelity.
While the last can help grow as a person, the first is, without a doubt, essential for all life forms because he is the opposite of Stagnation.
Having revolution in his domain would mean that he would be acutely aware of when revolution would be a necessity. This is also why it makes sense that he was in the more neutral stature in the Dunmer view of the Deadric princes
Yeah, every other Daedric prince is for the most part just an embodiment of certain ideas and every other one at least has one thing you can say of them that isn't totally horrible.
Not so much for the guy who wants to torture, enslave, defile, mentally torment, deceive, repeatedly murder and revive, and even both physically and morally corrupt everyone and everything in sight. If he had just been officially labeled "Daedric prince of evil things everyone hates," it would fit just as well as the perverse titles he has. I legitimately haven't found a single character anywhere who's quite so thoroughly nasty as that monster.
Molag Bal. No question. Even Boethiah and Dagon aren't quite Bal's degree of twisted. Their tomfoolery is at least done in the name of anarchy, which is I think a lesser evil than a guy whose nicknames include 'Harvester of Souls', 'Lord of Lies', and last but not least, 'King of Grape'.
this is not tiktok you can say rape here
Anarchy isn't even evil in itself. It's just an enabler.
Statistically is very likely that an anarchist ends up doing something evil, but it is possible that they never do.
On the flip side, no matter where in the political spectrum you are, there are governments enforcing rules that you consider evil.
It's almost the norm to have countries end up with a ruling class that misbehaves. In those cases anarchy fights evil.
Diddy, elder scrolls edition
Dagon is more like the force of rebellion and the destructive nature of change.
King of rape. Stop letting the algorithm police and shape your ability to express yourself.
Let's not forget Sheogorath's idea of a prank is hurling Baar Dau - a giant f*cking meteorite - at Vivec City, causing the Red Year and exterminating all life on Vvardenfell simply because he was bored...
Sheo is capable of evil that'd make most of the other Princes blush, he just masks it well with the whole "Fishstick!" and "Cheese!" shtick.
He's basically what The Joker from Batman would do if he were a God.
But it was funny 😂
Counter-point: Vivec definitely deserves it, and also it is a pretty hilarious prank if you aren't living there.
Isn’t it was not because of boredom, but because he was annoyed by the Vivecs audacity to call himself a god?
Not all life, just anything south of Red Mountain.
Another point towards Nocturnal, the Daedric Princes can choose how they appear, and she chooses to be a barefoot babe.
She does that for us
She a real one for that
@lemonlupinreuben5362 I'm starting to see what this Daedra worship is all about
amen
Nocturnal is sister of Azura. Considered how Azura is pretty vain and petty .. Nocturnal will be same. Both of them will show off as attractive women.
I’d argue Sangine is on par, as he shows himself as a humble man when you first meet him.
24 seconds in, I know damn well Molag Bal is gonna be the final answer. He literally has you brutally torture a random fucking wizard with a mace that he used to do things with women that did not consent to those things. Yeah, those types of things.
That was a priest of Boethiah who made the poor judgement of defiling Molag Bal's shrine repeatedly. He effed around and found out.
Mehrunes Dagon nearly ends the fucking world and Peryite can theoretically wipe out tamriel with a plague.
Idk if that is better than a guy who focuses on torturing a select few groups, aside from ESO (Where he is pretty much Dagon 2.0)
@olivercharles2930 But these two are more uncaring forces of nature, at least Peryite 100% is one, Dagon is debatable but his role is still that of the revolutionary that stops stagnation above all else, compared to Molag Bal who has no reason to do what he does other than "it amuses me to see people suffer".
All the others have a role to fulfill in the world at worst (even if that role is the very non glamorous "spread diseases so that populations get culled and problems don't arise"), Molag Bal is just a sadistic force of evil, he has no motives or reason to exist other than causing suffering
@@sephikong8323 meh, still evil in my eyes
@@olivercharles2930 You know who else almost ended the world?
Mehrunes Dagon isn't evil, he is revolution. Sometimes that is bad, but other times he is the exact Daedric Prince needed. Dagon wasn't intent on destroying the world, just upsetting the status quo, which is why a lot of people say that he was successful in Oblivion. Even if he didn't destroy Tamriel, he caused immense change and a complete shift of the world stage. It is directly thanks to Dagon that the Empire is not the juggernaut it once was by the time of Skyrim.
Peryite is arguably a good daedra because he does do plagues, yeah, but he is also the man behind the curtain. We don't know what the extent of his duties are, but signs point to him being the one that ensures the world keeps spinning. He does things that go unnoticed because he is the opposite of Dagon, his job is ensuring the status quo, the natural order, is maintained.
Molag Bal is suffering incarnate. He doesn't "focus on torturing a select few groups" even his own followers are subject to his whims.
Sanguine should be way higher in my opinion. Bethesda is just afraid to portray him anything more than a drunk fun uncle, hiding his dark lore in obscure books. For example, to the Ayleids, Sanguine was known as the Blood-Made-Pleasure. Those from the kingdoms that worshipped the more malevolent Daedric Princes were known to indulge in the pleasures of art-torture, such as flesh-sculpting and gut-gardening. An ancient Ayleid manuscript of Eldhaal the Inducer describes him being overseen and guided by Sanguine in these heinous arts
So he’s basically a 40k drukhari with the power of a god
@capadociaash8003 you could have just said Slaanesh
@@oliverp3545imo slaanesh is worse than the drukhari. At least when the drukhari turn you into a skin couch they kill you first, slaanesh keeps you alive, forever. Drukhari is much more fitting for him
Yeah it’s pretty obvious he didn’t even read up on what Sanguine is. The very first paragraph on the UESP basically refutes his argument
Im pretty sure thats just the ayleids being ayleids.
They’re consistently fucked up
Meridia: wants to spread her influence of light, wants to purge the world of dark magic and necromancy.. BUT was also complicit in aiding the Alyeids in enslavement of mortal races, and aiding Umaril the Unfeathered (a powerful sorcerer-king), by giving him vast magical power to aid his is conquest, and protected him from permanent death by Pelinal Whitestrake.
Jyggalag: lawful-neutral, but order, HIS order is considered paramount. While this might not seem like a big deal for mortals in Tamriel, the real threat is in the Shivering Isles, and other daedric realms. Those who don't immediately comply with his authority are quickly killed by him or his followers. It sounds dystopian, and that's because it is.
Sanguine: the 'dude-bro' of the princes, he is a skilled manipulator, and subtly condemns mortals in a life of self destruction through their vices, 'the darker impulses'. and revels in it. as in he would complicit in getting a hard working family man addicted to skooma, and watch him tear his family apart, trying to acquire more.
Sheogorath: chaotic-neutral. Where Jyggalag wants to impose order upon anything he comes into direct contact with (daedric realms), Sheogorath is more dedicated to keeping the escapism alive, the ability to allow minds to wander. This prince doesn't revel so much in the suffering of others, but the course of actions mortals pursue the conclusion of their problems; often thinking outside the box in outrageous fashion. This can be seen in the myths in how he 'created' instruments, or challenged Hircine in creating the deadliest creature. While Sheogorath would be capable of causing much suffering and destruction in Tamriel, if he dedicated himself, he is not the conquering type, and probably undermine the nature of his sphere.
Peryite: There's one thing to mention here, Peryite is also the daedric prince of the Natural Order, and not just disease and pestilence. He doesn't revel in the suffering of mortals, but his afflictions contribute more as a more subtle culling to the mortal population, to help serve the status quo. Whereas Meridia is supposed to be the embodiment of light and life energy (in a more proactive stance in opposing the undead), Peryite represents illnesses (both fatal and non-fatal), and the natural shaping of the world, without the fanfare and flourish that other princes like to employ. His influence is tied to the average day-to-day life of mortals; where other princes are too ego driven to carrying out these mundane tasks, Peryite dutifully carries them out. Would classify as a true neutral figure.
Mehrunes Dagon: He is.. an interesting one. Dagon is best attributed to being a force of nature, and this would make sense, as natural disasters are attributed to his sphere. Where Molag Bal is the god of enslavement and oppression, Mehrunes Dagon is the embodiment of revolution; a sense of hope which is yearned for, but corrupted. I would make one comment here: Mehrunes Dagon is not wholly evil (at least when compared to Bal), as within him, his influence is tied to flipping a political establishment on its head; he opposes the very notion of tyranny, giving the misfortunate and the downtrodden to rise in rank and status. His conquests also not entirely enacted by him on his own, but by cunning, and ambitious mortal supporters. Mankar Cameron comes to mind on this subject, with his Mythic Dawn cult seeking to replace the rulership of the Septim dynasty.
Ty~! Was just about to say very much all of this; especially the comments on Meridia, her propaganda works far too well so those who only know her from quests etc see the deity of anti-undead and being cool, while those who know any lore know her as the deity who sponsored the genocide of the nedes, the encouragement of the erasure of self-will and slavery so harsh the ‘property’ isn’t considered alive. Her acts put her as the ‘light mode’ Molag, the pair should share first place.
Also happy on your comments on Dagon; very much /not/ an evil guy by his nature, but acts evil now because of the abuse of the magna ge destroying what remains of the previous Kalpas that he held and hid to protect the lives of what he loved, and that changed his nature towards destruction, but still wants to claim Tamriel to prevent it being lost at the end of time
@@Lailalae The Knights of the Nine was a real eye opener for me, the first time I played that DLC. At first, I didn't think Meridia was all that bad (she has some noble qualities I'll admit).
But then when you hear about Umaril the Unfeathered, the Ayleids and their reverence of Meridia, and then it hits. That she's not as noble as she makes herself out to be. 'Light mode Molag' is not too far from the truth. 😅
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I'd argue Peryite is more in line with a prince like Hermeus Mora, he's closer to true neutral. One of his biggest values is natural order, and he considers his plagues to be blessings, it's like one of his followers says in skyrim, "Proper ones curl their noses, but it's pus that drinks foul humors and restores the blood. I worship Peryite, yes, because sometimes the world can only be cleansed by disease."
I like how when you beat Molag in ESO he tells you "there are far worse masters than I". Who?!?!
Todd Howard, Daedric Prince of deceit and greed.
I believe he is implying meridia
next level of hells, where there's evils so incomprehensible they'll immediately destroy your mind.
Definitely Meridia, while he will break and abuse you; you’ll still be yourself. While she’ll bombard and abuse you into becoming an empty shell of obedience and mindlessness
Idea masters perhaps?
dagon is like an evil dictator and molag bal is like a sadistic serial killer
Yep.
Dagon kills far more people, but is not as flashy as molag bal.
Calling bal a sadistic serial killer is a understatement
extremely ironic considering rebellion against tyranny is part of dagons sphere
@@pb-nb6tj That pfp genuinely revolts me and I don't even know why. I have an extension that basically blows images up if I hover of them, and... that gave me a slight scare.
Mehrunes Dagon isn't a dictator, he's an anarchist, totally the opposite
14:49
“I don’t think he considers what he does as evil”
I don’t think he considers what he does.
True! I don't think he even understands what "consider" means
That's not even an argument anyway, think of how many people who have done monstrous things who don't think they did anything wrong.
@@etcetera1995,
You missed the point entirely... he doesn't think.. he just does everything on whim because of his impulsiveness. Every plan he creates is going to be at that moment created and then enacted. If he waits too long, he'll be distracted by something else.
@@aralornwolf3140 adhd god😭😭 i bet tiktok is his creation
Molag Bal. I wish 12 year old me knew exactly what I was doing when I thought I was just getting a cool mace lmfao
Man I made the same mistake as a 24 year old. All for that mace I sold my soul.
A cool mace AND a house.
Malacath at 10th place is such a judging a book by its cover choice. He's spurned by everyone else because of what he looks like and SEEMS to represent. But he doesn't really have a record of wrongly attacking anyone, even people who make him mad rarely actually face his wrath. He puts misfortune on the tribe in Skyrim out of tough love and it's clear that he pushes the chief to either die or improve, not to permanently curse everyone in the tribe just cause. He represents pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and bettering yourself by challenge, even in Dunmeri religion, where he is considered evil, he lacks much of an any malice and represents the harsheness of nature(showing that the Dunmer don't really understand the Daedra very well, cause that should be Peryite). In Morrowind he tells you to kill the descendant of a person who stole the credit of his orcish partner, which said descendant admits happened, in Oblivion he simply tasks you with freeing ogres, some of his followers, and in Skyrim he doesn't task you with anything, but does reward you when you end up doing all the work. 100% good guy, just ugly.
Pretty privilege is so real
Also, he cursed the clans that caused the First Orsinium to collapse, and praised the clans that united the people, and teamed up to build the kingdom.
I came to talk about Mehrunes Dagon, who, i recently learned used to be a pretty OK guy for a Daedric Prince and embodied Hope and Change as well as Revolution. After he was basically cursed into an eternal rage by Alduin, he was never the same. He became more warlike and furious with the status quo. His presense is a necessity, for without him, stagnation and complacency would eventually take the whole world.
I feel like he became daedric equivalent to alduin
Azura exists for that purpose, being the deadric prince of change, mehrunes dragon is just evil azura.
That's fan fic my dude. The old lore guy just wrote it for fun.
Jyggalag at 14? The Enemy of Freedom? The Prince who desires to remove all free-will from every sentient being in the universe and transform them into his mindless Grey Knights? My favorite Prince he might be, but he shouldn't be any lower then third for that.
True, but he is kinda useless atm.
Free will isn’t real, anyway. He just spreads order. Sounds legit.
Eh....
Look at it from a slightly different angle and it's definitely not based out of ill intent or evil.
With no (or less) free will, no entity would willingly hurt another out of madness, malice, or anything in between. Millions wouldn't lose everything in war. The races of Nirn wouldn't do unspeakably evil acts to each other, and other various positives from people not having the will to exploit or harm one another either physically, emotionally, or otherwise.
In a sense, it could be considered a kindness. It would be more mundane, and a completely stagnant world, but it's not done out of hatred from Jyggalag's point of view, it's more of a mercy towards all mortal creatures. A duty to be the force in the world that keeps Nirn from destroying itself.
That's why he's not higher. He doesn't celebrate and revel in the suffering of others for his own amusement.
@@krislynn5965 I'm not sure you understand what Jygallag successfully implementing his Grey March across all of Mundus entails. The people he turns into his Grey Knights aren't still there inside the shell of the knight, waiting to be released, watching what's happening. Everything about them is completely wiped away. Their personality and memories are erased. Their physical body re-made, because Jygallag will tolerate nothing less 100% uniformity.
He will genocide every Man, Mer, Khajiit, Argonian, etc. Every life form that exists, he will bring it to Order. That he isn't doing it to be mean doesn't change the end result.
he's a bit of an obsessive paladin isn't he? he means well I think although he's just as deranged as sheo
Sangines multiple pocket realms are just a never ending diddy party across time
Definitely Sanguine is the most fun
Diddy = Sanguine + Molag Bal
Diddy forces or blackmails people into it, Sanguine is about enjoying the debauchery, sin, and excess, not enforcing it, like a nicer version of Slaanesh from Warhammer, using force to gain sexual gratification is more Molag's domain.
FRR people don’t understand how much higher Sanguine should actually be
I don't think they are actually Diddy Parties because that would infringe on Molly Balling's domain, and I don't think he would let that slide.
Sanguine looks to be purely consensual debauchery where all parties involved simply go all out on their deepest and darkest desires, but they all agree to whatever happens next
Molag Bal is the definition of Evil. With every other Daedric Prince, you can argue they have some redeeming quality.
- Mephala teaches you the art of striking from the shadow. Some battles cannot be won with strength alone. Steal, lie, stab in the back. Use these things if you wish to survive.
- Malacath is the patron God of traditionalist Orcs. He favors those with Courage and Honor. To run away from your opponent in glorious battle, will invoke his wrath.
But, Molag Bal?
I genuinely cannot think of one redeeming quality. He is the polar opposite of everything good. His realm, his actions. All this things combined make him the most terrifying being in the world.
but molag bal gave us vampires
@@-----Alcatraz------ maybe Authority ? That is the only thing i can think of that is good about him
And even then that is a little iffy
Because that includes its abuse
@VV-nz4dv and vampires are a plague to be put down. So another minus for Molag Balls
Meridia is so misunderstood, and not in the good way.
The list is ranked (mostly) on effect and not intention. Yes, a Nirn under Meridia's absolute control wouldn't be "good", but as it stands, she serves a good counter force to necromancy, undead and other threats to life. Same reason why Peryite is so high on the list when he's just a chill dude.
"A new hand touches the beacon."
The funny thing about meridia is she's incredibly arrogant and believes that mortals should just serve her without any expectation of reward. She only rewards you if you are directly relevant to her plans and desires
When folks (understandably) think - 'ah, Meridia.. Chill daedric prince who hates undead.' then go on forgetting she was the chief patron of by far the most sadistic race on Tamriel. Sure they worshipped other gods like Molag Bal, but no one championed the aylied cause like Meridia even lending endless daedric hordes of her aurorans to fight the war against the Nedes & allies.
Yeah, she seems chill for the most part, but she does have that very dark history & most certainly HAS NOT CHANGED FOR THE BETTER. Simply doesn't have her chosen sickos to host.
I'd probably swap her with Hircine. Sure he's responsible for lycanthropy, but he didn't unleash it as a plague, but rather as a gift which he bestows to those he deems worthy of it.
Lycanthropy aside tho, he is certainly whom I'd consider the most 'honest' of the princes. In that he doesn't scheme, plot or backstab sorta thing
She also literally enslaves her followers and champions, so yeah...
Molag Bal is the Bill Cosby of Daedric princes.
he's worse cause he isn't funny
He worse because he likes eye contact during.
he worse because he let Kanye West hit
Please Don't Mention That Guy @Kermit 😒
I Mean Molag Bal Can Be Funny Like In ESO He Mentioned "Lyris Milking Milking
Some Mammoths" And She Even Talks
About Owning A Farm 😂 @BananaMike
Meridia helped the Aylieds keep humans enslaved. She's not as good as most think, not anywhere close.
Yeah, and remember people: Umaril the Unfeathered as Meridia's champion. The same murderous, enslaving monster that massacred the temples of the Divines was the emissary to one of the goodest Daedra.
@jarekwrzosek2048 "goodest"
And the Ayleids were not just "some" slavers, the shit they did to their slaves is something else. Even the Dwemer (you know, the guys who transformed the Snow Elves into the Falmers we see in Skyrim) were not as cruel.
Yeah, they’re all evil. It’s just who is the MOST evil
the Ayleids weren't a unified peoples, not all Ayleids worshipped Meridia, but mostly those in the very heartlands (the Imperial city), as well as some other cities such as Nenelata. Just like in the city states of the ancient world, they would fight with each other due to differing values. The worst slavers were in cities were Molag Bal was worshipped. The gut gardens, etc, were also located in those cities. Cities in which primarily Meridia was worshipped did not accept nor endorse such practices, after all, Meridia is Molag Bal's greatest enemy. Umaril was a champion of Meridia, yes, and his main objective was to not let the Ayleids succumb to genocide. He was much less evil than many think.
That beep at 10:47 was loud as hell lmao
Read this right as it happened...
I knew the #1 was bad but damn……on a side note his mace is one of the coolest looking weapons in all of video games imo
Personally I'm a fan of Mehrune's razor for favourite design, but Molag's mace is DEFINITELY a close second. I'll be honest I think like 90% of that might just be that i use the razor far more
@@kierranbrooks7306 oh yah that design is lethal as all hell looking!
I like how it startles/scares the shite out of the guards, when ever you're weilding Molag's mace in a town. 😂
*thinks about the lore behind Daughters of Coldharbour* yeah Molag Bal
I don't think Mehrunes Dagon is really "evil", destruction isn't really inherently an evil thing. When I hear how he's the daedric prince of revolution, change, and ambition as well as destruction that says to me that he can be a force for positive change rather than just negative, like maybe as a patron for revolution against an oppressive regime which necessitates destruction for a better future for its people.
Revolutions rarely create change that betters the people, usually revolutions only achieve replacing a guy who was a slight d**k with a guy who makes that previous slight d**k guy look like a saint in comparison.
So, would he back the Stormcloaks in their ambition and revolution against the empire?
I think the morality of peryite kinda depends on how you see nature.
I think nature is overall kind of awful but I’m not gonna pretend it’s malicious
@@capadociaash8003Precisely! Nature doesn't care about you one way or the other. Personally, I still love nature, but I'm not under the delusion that it's some kind of peaceful utopia
jyggalag at 14 is some real next level Leopards Eating People's Faces Party type shit
Sounds like a Sheogorath-type party to me
I think the rest of the deadras could use some order. Shame that sheogorath prevailed.
@@hazmat4629 I swore at the end of Shivering Isles Jyggalag goes off to do his own thing and the player takes the mantle or whatever of Sheogorath. So he could be causing some order during the events of Skyrim or the next game.
@@zharpain i hope...
Def disagree with Peryite being put in the purely evil category. He's described in different sources as "The Task Master", while yes disease is in his portfolio and is oft the thing that is most known about him, he also does not seem to posses any degree of malice. He's more of a neutral, survival of the fittest type than an evil spreader of disease and pain.
Edit: Also, Jyggalag has no business being as high as he is, we've seen what his brand of "order is all about. His followers literally become mindless thralls with literally zero free will. His perfect order is pure stasis, no change, all is ordered and neat and that's how it will be for all of forever, that's why all the other daedric prince's ganged up on him, he's just that dangerous. In TSO, neither order nor chaos are truly good or evil, they are cosmic forces that if made imbalanced would prove catastrophic for all of reality.
Its funny cuz Meridia is pretty similar to Jyggalag yet shes considered one of the "good" ones
Exactly! Miss Filth (not gonna bother trying to spell her name) is the one who seems to get a kick out the suffering diseases cause. Along with cannibalism of course, her favorite hobby. She's basically the patron of prionic diseases like Kuru and mad cow...
@@cyanidenightshade well, im not the most knowledgeable on the subject. put i personally see them closer to opposites, if Jyggalag could achieve order with undead minions, machines or any other unthinking servant, he would, this makes him seem uninterested with life. on the other hand Meridia is an enemy to undead and as a result any kind of stagnation. in this way you could almost consider her a god of life. so i'd say she's mostly good, and almost opposite to Jyggalag, who would allow stagnation to persist.
Meridia because of that ANOTHER HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON.
Those damn sound really scared the hell out of me when I was a child
Jyggalag is basically Sauron. He'd do anything, no matter how bad, for his sense of Order.
You missed mentioning our favorite daughter of cold harbor. Who does tell us directly exactly what moldy balsack is capable of
Great video. Personally I would have put Peryite at no.16-15 as he is just trying to keep order and isn’t inherently evil
Jyggalag strikes me as perhaps the most destructive daedric prince, who if he could, would stop the universe from moving at the molecular level
You say that as if Sheaogorath wouldn't do the same 😂
@@Ghostkiller__166 at least sheogorath would do it for the memes and laughs. That would be hilarious, actually
@@gogodogodo3283 you say that now but wait until he turns you into a cheese wheel😭
Uninteresting question because it's Bal almost by definition. "What is the good in each Prince" is more interesting; For example, Molag Bal created soul gems, and as the Prince of Domination, any conquest, good or bad, can be attributed in some small part to Molag Bal.
The evil in Meridia and Azura isn't hard to find superficially, but their esoteric evil may be more interesting than just "they're kinda mean!" Azura is presented as a deity of fate, but we see that because she is fallible and finite, that cannot be. Combined with the details of Moonshadow (it clouds the senses of mortals) and the _entire plot of Morrowind,_ one might surmise that her true sphere is the obfuscation of truth and equivocation between fiction and reality. Necromancy/necromancers and the undead aren't inherently evil (just "icky" and unpleasant, sort of like Namira's cannibal followers, who in the greater context of the setting are not particularly better or worse than the average meat-eater, hinted at in the aedric religion of the bosmer), and in Mannimarco's ideology we can find a pretty comprehensive defense of necromancy and condemnation of those who defend the _sanctity of death,_ disguising it as defence of the sanctity of life. In fact, we see undercurrents of hypocrisy and general rulebreaking anywhere Meridia is explored more fully- A princess exiled for breaking caste, a Prince who bans mortals from her realm yet broke with daedric standards by welcoming a small enclave of mortals into her realm and transforming them into daedra, protecting the sanctity of life (as life-energy) by ordering the destruction of those who cling to life. Similar to the thematic elements of obfuscation associated with Azura, we even see, for example, multiple references to Meridia ruling Coldharbor or swapping places with Molag Bal, her archenemy and the realm most directly opposite her apparent values.
Also Meridia is never explicitly said to have consorted with daedra before her exile. The phrasing is "consorting with illicit spectra," which is commonly interpreted out of context as "working with" (or sleeping with) "daedra," but "spectra" can mean both "spirits" and "bands or segments of the continuum of wavelengths of light," which is significant because the caste system of the Magna Ge is based on colours of light, and the most logical conclusion is that Meridia broke the caste system of the Magna Ge by consorting with a different colour of light. The Magna Ge as a whole have dealt with or even created Daedric princes and other Padomaic entities, so that wouldn't make much sense as the reason for Meridia's exile.
19:10 a bit obscure lore, and can be debatable if its canon or not, but in the "Skyrim - The Adventure" Board Game (official), it is revealed that a cult of Boethiah is responsible for kindling the fires of the Skyrim Civil War, and it is a kind of a ritual in name of Boethiah
Would have made the civil war quest line much more enjoyable
That’s honestly pretty stupid considering the thalmor already canonically are doing that
@@Zay-y6m Yeah I Agree. It makes the conflict more complicated than it needs to be, also its messing with lore that doesn't really need to be messed with. The civil war lore is one of the best written in TES V (not the actual questline, but the lore behind the war, including great war, thalmor, white-gold concordat, Ulfric's character, Rikke, etc.). It's so good it keeps getting discussed to this day, there really is no need to put Boethiah and a Dunmer cult (they are explicity Dunmer in the board game, so maybe not related to the thalmor) in the middle of it.
@@Zay-y6mpretty sure most thalmor are daedra worshippers so it wouldn't be too farfetched that they'd call on boethia
The Ge in Mangna-Ge is like ghee every time I've heard it said out loud, but this one really is one of those toss up names in ES that you could probably pronounce as you like. Don't think we've ever had an officially voiced line that contains this name, and if we have, I missed it.
Appreciate the correction, my friend
Most people would say Molag Bal or Mehrunes Dagon but I would say Jyggalag. Jyggalag was so powerful and so influential that all the other princes banded together just to oppose him which is absolutely crazy when you realize the other Daedric princes regularly engage in petty rivalry and practice feudalism all the time. They were so intimidated and hateful of Jyygalag in particular that the other princes really had no choice but to cooperate against him and the enemy of my enemy is my friend after all. It's also worth noting that Jyygalag has an extremely bad obsessive-compulsive disorder, so bad in fact that he wanted to end reality as we know it just because of the imperfections. To say Jyggalag is a dangerously powerful force of both narcissistic and nihilistic genocide would be an incredible understatement and it's no surprise why he is often described as being the most powerful Daedric prince.
This only shows that the rest are jealous and petty, not that Jyggalag is evil.
@@sneezyfido Exactly, power doesn't always equal character. And I don't recall him wanting to end reality, more so like to change it in the image he sees fit, perfection, logical decision.
Molag bal on the other hand, he does what he does for the sake of causing as much sorrow as possible...no other reason. With Jyggalag there might be people who are inclined to agree to his vision, no worries, everything is certain. With Molag Bal none will be happy should mundus become his domain, not even the vampires, they will all be his slave to be tortured
@@sneezyfido I agree, but if he wanted to end reality that would definitely make him evil.
@alfieshepherd6522 but does he?
It looks to me like he wants to change the nature of reality.
But they all want that in some manner.
His is just a bit more black and white.
And the cheese parties when he takes a moment to unwind!
They are to die for! A Ha Ha Ho!
Hircine (my favorite daedra) is by far one of the most neutral. He doesnt have a moral stance on anything. His followers can be good or evil. You can be a perfect paladin of the light and worship the Nine, so long as you engage in "hunting" and embrace nature.
It's a tie between Molag Balls, lord of YAMATE and Hungry Hungry Namira, lady of cannibalism and child sacrifice.
This tier list truly honors the sixth house and the tribe unmourned.
What a great and intoxicating innocence!
Dagon isn’t actually evil. While his sphere may contain destruction, it’s all for the purpose of change and growth. The best way to put it is to compare him to a volcano. While it can destroy everything, it can quickly make the land even better. When a follower asked him why he destroys his own plane of oblivion he said that’s just what he has to do for change
Clavicus Vile definitely belongs in the top 5 of the worst, that is my only disagreement within this list
"He wanted a cure for his daughters Lycanthropy, so I gave him an axe"
@@Beowulf0510 Monkey's Paw
@@Beowulf0510yeah but even worse he tried to make me kill a dog this one time.
I suppose being based is a crime now, huh
“Peryte isn’t that bad” - An Argonian
If I was in the elder Scrolls world, Hircine would be the daedric Prince I'd try to seek favor from.
Ok same, except I'd still pick Azura first, then Hircine. As far as "gods" go, he isn't that bad. The only real downside is you could end up finding yourself trapped forever being hunted by werewolves.
I might have just typed myself into picking Azura, then Shor, then Hircine.
Or, you know, none of them.
He'd f you up boy
Personally I'd prefer Azura or Hermaus, but Hircine is a practical option.
@@Amy_the_Lizard hermeus mora would be my second go to.
I just love the lovecraftian horror vibe he brings
I’d like to remind that Sanguine is the type to essentially drive you deeper and deeper into excess until only he can provide you enough, and when even that starts to become not enough, he will abandon you.
Malacath I honestly believe his sphere over the spurned and ostracized would cover orphans. Those left behind by society and told to fend for themselves. I wonder if an orphan child were found by an orc tribe, would they take the child in? Perhaps a tough life, but one ultimately to make them stronger.
Peryite’s sphere of order over the lower planes it more a striking of the natural order. As such, he’s actually advantaged to not meddle as directly in the affairs of mortals. His plans are small. His diseases are survivable. He’s pulling strings in the back, to maintain order. Funny enough, supposedly if Alduin succeeded and devoured the world, Peryite would stand firmly in Akatosh’s place upon the formation of the next Kalpa.
Considering that 4 letter word Molag is associated with…what do you think the likelihood of his mace being used a certain way if you’re brave enough?
@@fireblast133 i don't think bravery is necessarily an option.
Since the one that used it would be the one doing it to the victim
Namira isn't the daedric prince of the arachnids and insects, but Mephala is. And Meridia, who is also a horrid daedric prince should not be at 17, that vile being is about as wicked as Molag Bal
Theme I noticed is that each daedric Prince counterparts a Aedr8c. Sanguine vs Zenithar, Mara vs Bal, Arkay vs Namira etc.
sanguine vs zenithar? um no? sanguine’s nemesis is dibella i think.
I would say Clavicus Vile vs Zenithar personally. Both make deals and trade but one is a cheating prick.
8 to 16; the Wheel and the spoke of the Wheel 😷
Sheogorath is a force of change, shaking up the stagnant state of Mortals and their world. This makes room for new things ,including music ,which was said to be his, admittedly roughly created, gift to mortals in one story. He is also a humbler of the arrogant in other stories, including Hircine .I see him as neither completely good or completely evil.
@@patricialavery8270 force of change is debatable.
Force of creativity, thats more accurate
Why the hell did the music get so freaking loud at the end? I can’t even hear what the guy saying
Meridia, hands down... ANOTHER HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON!
After that Stunt Nocturnal pulled on Summerset I put her in top 3 of the most Evil in my book
Molag Bal. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
W video. I like your way of presentation.
Molag Bal. Bro does the grape and when the victim goes "wtf ashhole" he goes "f- you, immortality and you're an isolated freak now"
I don’t need to watch a 26 minute video to know it’s Molag Bal.
Malacath is not in the middle. He’s easily one of the best. He shows little interest in messy with mortals and his sphere is all about looking out for the underdogs. Totally undeserved that middle spot.
Sanguine is definitely worse.
"ANOTHER HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON"
Let me guess, prince of the struggle snuggle?
its odd to me that merida is considered to be kinda good actually by the mortals of nirn seeing as shes essentially the same as molag bal, they're two sides of the same, evil, no free will coin
Probably because one creates vampires and the other tasks promising mortals with slaying them.
Molag Bal is much uglier, both literally and figuratively, though. Meridia might be slightly evil because she's enormously detached and may not realize the evil she's doing. Molag Bal not only doesn't care, but seems to be a sadistic monster.
It's convenient for mortals that Meridia happens to share in their disgust for undead.
However, it should not be assumed that this one coincidence somehow implies that her intentions are benevolent or that her views on other aspects will align with mortalkind.
Meridia’s evil is mostly by negligence - yes she wants to assert her will over all mortals, but her obsession with unearth means that she wills leave most free will intact through simply not caring.
That’s how most of the worst shit attributed to her worshippers happened: the Ayelids praised her all while doing some truly horrific crimes against nature, but since they weren’t necromancy she was happy to keep on blessing them.
Cos undead icky
The notification sound on my phone is Meridia's, "A new hand touches the beacon".
I definitely called the top 2, even if I couldn't keep their names straight until the end. I knew they were both 2 part names that start with M. But in my head I was like, "#2 is the one who did Oblivion, #1 is the one who did vampires and not respecting 'boundaries.'" You know what I mean. I don't know if explicit comments are bad or not.
Anyway I liked the video and subscribed. This is the 2nd video I've seem in a week where the BG music volume jumped to ridiculous volume after a while.
I would have rated Hircine higher. At the very least, he’s not a liar.
I think you nailed the ranking. There were moments where I scratched my head a bit, but with the explanation that the ranking takes into account how impactful the princes are or try to be, this makes total sense. I've only played Skyrim of all the ES games, and as a result, I would probably rank Hermaeus Mora as more evil than Sanguine for what he did to the Skaal Chief, but I understand the other games probably provide a better perspective on these figures as a whole.
Sanguine's placement doesn't make sense after you literally acknowledge he's pure sin.
Damn. Kind of a noob here when it comes to Elder Scrolls lore. Didn’t realize how messed up Molag Bal was. I knew he was bad, but then I saw all the comments predicting him at number one, and after watching the video, I understand a little better why. Cool video!
I’d put malacath before hircine and hermaeus mora, as he has some rules and seems to care enough about his followers. I’d definitely go Malacath-> Sanguine-> Hermaeus Mora-> Hircine. Sanguine might be malevolent, but he mostly just wants to play pranks, vs Hermaeus Mora’s indifference to mortals often sees him expend them for his own pursuits.
Molag Balls, also the thumbnail art is so pretty
I think sanguine is so much worse than you let on.
From the UESP: “Sanguine, known to his worshippers as the Lord of Revelry,[1]:293 Blood-Made-Pleasure,[2] and he who tastes the Shaven Fruit,[3] is a Daedric Prince whose sphere is hedonistic revelry, debauchery, wild orgies, and passionate indulgences of darker natures.[4][5]:11 As the Daedra Prince of Lust, Perversity, and Unnatural Sexual Relations, anything in excess is his motto.[6]
So yeah even the briefest of google searches shows how bad he can actually be. He tempts people into being the darkest versions of themselves possible, and will absolutely ruin your life if you give him the chance.
Him and 40k Slanessh would get along great.
Thats a really religious take on evil. I wouldn't agree. For you can resist temptation. You are not forced to do these things. With a strong mind you can absolutely ignore him. Other Daedric princes on the other hand,.. you got no choice. Madness, Disease, Murder, Grape, ... etc you can't really escape or choose to ignore. Same with Clavicus, you dont HAVE to take his deals. Everytime you got a CHOICE, the evil is upon you and not the prince. But thats just my humble mortal opinion.
Yep sounds like a frat boy ngl
Sanguine resembles the devil for a reason. His MO is the temptation of mortals to forgo their inhibitions and better judgement.
It might start with "just one more drink" but before you know it, ur in a methed out frenzy.
The only limitation is your imagination
His realm is similar to epstein's island
This was a great video! ❤
Bro, Uncle Sheo does show up in Skyrim (it's in Solitude, and it is the Hero of Kvatch who is Sheogorath now.)
This channel deserves more subs.
0:44 realy? One who cursed a whole people? :D Might just be opinion based, but I would put Jyggalag or Meridia both have pretty much done noting in the main elder scrolls games that I am aware of? Which makes them better then someone might be nice to some people or curse a whole race from the actions of 3 of them... :P
Meridia was the patron deity of the Ayleids... the same people who enslaved and brutalized all of humanity for centuries... she also literally enslaves her champions and most devout followers...
Also, Jyggalag is the god of "perfect order," aka: absolute oppression...
@grimm_satisfaction1292 so Azura is better in your opinion?
@@geraltgrey-mane695 Yes. I'd follow Azura over Meridia or Jyggalag any day.
@@grimm_satisfaction1292I'm seconding your opinion, azura may have cursed the chimer but only with dark skin and red eyes, which would later be beloved features of the dunmer. She also only did this following the betrayal of Nerevar by the tribunal, not unlike how original sin works in Christianity. Adam and Eve betrayed God so now all of humanity has original sin, the tribunal betrayed Nerevar and now all the dunmer have dark skin. except the dunmer don't have to cleanse themselves of their curse to be beloved by azura.
@@grimm_satisfaction1292 I would argue that Meridia backing the Ayelids was an amoral but not immoral choice by Meridia. From, the distant disinterested point of view of a Daedic Prince, the Ayelid War is just a regular conflict between mortals. Some of the Aedra backed the humans so why shouldn't she back the elves?
Great music btw man made it all seem very mystical
Meridia is far more evil than you suggested.
A) She HATES mortals that have free will.
B) Her champion, Umeril, literally ran an insanely cruel slave empire with her blessing, and she even continued to help him in Oblivion.
She's almost on par with Molag Bal imo.
I'd say Sanguine is tied with Molag Bal, if not worse, given their sphere of influence and some lore entries.
Molag Bal's schtick is to _dominate_ his victims; Sanguine is all about enjoying inflicting suffering.
The former is likely to stop once the victim is broken and submits fully. The latter would continue inventing new ways to have fun.
1:51 A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BECON!!! 📢📢📢
Get that accursed mace away from me - NPC reaction towards Mace of Molag Ball.
That beep was FUCKING LOUD
Thank you for you contributions to the lore.
Wait, you don't like Spider-Mommy?
I just finished questing through the Summerset Isles on my Khajiit arcanist this week, second time in all (first time back when it came out). And it makes me really unsure about Nocturnal. With the Skyrim story alone, she's exactly how you described her. But holy hell - if her ploy at the Crystal Tower would have worked, she wouldn't just have remade reality in her image. She would have become unstoppable, a being spanning across all realities (since the tower is revealed to exist in all realities). And she did doublecross Mephala and Clavicus too. Not that this is bad - those two are not exactly benevolent. But I think this is along with Ithelias return the moment where reality and existence was in danger the most in any Elder Scrolls story. Maybe with Alduin as no 3.
How is this a question? It's obviously Meridia. That earrape beacon is the most evil thing on nirn
When I saw the video title I immediately thought “Considering how vampires are made I’d assume Molag Bal”
Sheogorath is not evil. He's chaotic, but he's not evil. Sure he'll probably turn your lungs into a literal block of cheese then play your rectum like a tuba, but its all in the name of madness and chaos.
Kast i checked sheer chaos and wanton madness isnt really evil as just... Existence. Existence is unpredictable, and hes just that.
☝This.
Sheogorath is about unpredictability, and escapism. Challenging what is seen as the norm, and allowing minds to wander. He isn't motived solely on inflicting suffering, but usually a desire to make others question why the man who entered the tavern is wearing a raw, plump, hollowed-out chicken as pants, and an Eidar cheese wheel on their head.
Some call it crazy, while that guy might call it 'travelling rations'.
Sheogorath is the embodiment of "your honor, I did it for the Vine."
Discounting reality in a universe based on fundamental principles of law and order is pretty evil for us as mortals. I have found chaos and disorder to be dual principles that have caused me a lot of pain in my life. If someone was to be about that and not consider the effects of that chaos on me, I would consider that a violent and evil act.
Then you haven't read the books. Sheogorath doesn't just welcome lunatics into his realm. He revels in making people go mad by subjecting them to horrible trauma or straight up cursing them with madness.
@luizmarinho6138 true I have not read the books
Molag Bal and Mephala are the Morgoth and Ungoliant of the Elder Scrolls universe.
Dagon is, no contest to molag’s evil
Dagon is at face value incredibly bad, but his sphere is revolution. It’s an act of usurping, not murder. While death follows in his wake, it’s not what he’s about.
Meanwhile Molag sadistically holds onto the mortals he finds and not to mention his daedric quests are brutal.
Hey........... thats my god
@MankarCameron I am saying I’d prefer him to Molag kinda. Dagon is hope, revolution, which fueled by oblivion’s chaotic nature makes him destructive. It is a personal theory that you used his sphere of revolution to usurp the old you into a dragonborn…
But that’s just a theory
Excellent video bro, can you do this with the aedra (aka the nine divines)?
Meridia should be much, much higher on the list.
She gives the airs of a mostly benevolent being, but she is Molag Bal's equal. The yin to his yang. Molag Bal seeks control and domination through torture and abuse, yet always gives his victims the chance to fight back, to reclaim power over their own lives. Meridia also seeks control and domination, but she does this in the much more "kind" act of stripping her vassles of all free will, leaving them empty husks that follow her commands. Bal revels in the darkness that inspires obedience. Meridia in the light that purges free will. Bal champions the dead, showing even death isn't a freedom from domination. Meridia the living, arguing all life belongs to her to do with as she pleases.
They may antagonize one another, but they're also lovers (or whatever constitutes lovers among immortal monsters) and see each other as half of a greater whole.
One tried conquering all of Tamriel and it wasn't Meridia, saying she's equal to him is abdurd. Bad? Whaterver. Equal? Lmao. And lovers??? Where the heck did you get that from?
how does this legend not have more subs
it better be the father of Vampires Molag Bal
Mora failing to erase a dangerous daedric prince because of his obsessive hoarding knowledge is pretty ironic even if the danger only came from the prince being extremely powerful.
For him, the destruction of knowledge is not just blasphemy, but simply an impossible concept. After all, every single Daedra is just a junkie, and each one is addicted to his own crap. This is the other side of their way of thinking. On the one hand, they all see the world much wider than any mortal, but they cannot change the paradigm of thinking.
And Mora, too, couldn't go against his nature, although he's the smartest of the Daedra.